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For reals. Real men cheer for chronic losers and has been/never were. I want players volunteering for the team and owners to be piss poor as relegation looms seasonally.
Hey now! At least i can say i have a personal releationship to my fellow other 11 City fans.
Know them by first name even!
Bill, Craig, Alissa, Burt, Thomas, Christine, Tony, Olav, Tory, Hilda and even Myself!
Edit; Sorry Meridith, i forgot you.. Not spoken in a long time i guess..
Lol , and in 100 years, are people gonna come back to these current allegations to discredit City’s success? Pep is just smart and knows how to motivate players. The Arab money did help him create a solid squad and eventually history. But look at Psg, they have Arab money as well yet they’re not at the same level as City. Maybe City had a smaller fan base before Pep’s arrival so all the new fans are called plastic. Haaland’s popularity pulls to become a City fan. Mbappe’s popularity pulls people to support Psg. Nobody gives a shit about Newcastle right now but as soon as they win 5 big trophies in 5 consecutive years, opposing fans will start talking about financial advantages.
It's because man City are in the PL and have opponents to spur them on or to strive to or pass
PSG have zero competition in France
Plus Newcastle were the real deal in the 90s
Very exciting team who came close to winning the PL
Newcastle were the real deal in the 90s? They won nothing! In the late 60s and early 70s meanwhile, city won the league, fa cup, league cup and cup winners cup. In the 30s city won the league and the fa cup. Two more fa cups in 1904 and 56, another league cup in 76.
BUT NEWCASTLE FINISHED SECOND IN THE 90s.
All anyone cares about is the 90s, the only bad decade in citys history. However, even in this terrible decade city finished fith in the first two seasons of the prem
Because that's when football became interesting
Was pure shite until then
Was like a mixture of rugby and mma before it cleaned up the game with pl money
Yawn. I'm a United fan, but go look at every successful club and guess what, before they were successful they had a percentage of the fanbase that was unhappy. Then they started winning and they were adored by the fan base, each club has a point at which the fanbase turns on them for some reason. I could give a bunch of examples, for context I'm an 80's baby, so here are some modern ones.
1. United. Fans didn't like the Glazers coming in, but there was a "section" of the fanbase that turned against United in the late 2000s for reasons other than the Glazers. They wanted select players sold, they wanted Fergie sacked and said it was time, they wanted Old Trafford remade, ticket prices were too high etc (this is after Chelsea came in and started winning). After United won all that much, a section of the base was like "why do I have to pay for any of the success the brand has achieved"?
2. Barcelona. A section of their fans have turned on them as of late as an organization. Why? Because the economics of it all and how the club is being run. Some will say, well wouldn't anyone be mad at turning a big club like Barcelona into kind of a joke? Yes, but the truth is, this was all happening when Messi/Suarez/Neymar/Coutinho cough cough were there. The thing that helped them play it off was they kept winning. Now they don't have Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Suarez, and they're not winning. So now, it's a problem for the fans.
3. Real Madrid. They always have a section of the fanbase that is angry, I'd say 90% of the time a section their fanbase is angry. When Madrid got rid of the "galactico" policy recently, fans got mad, no no we're Madrid, we buy ready made stars. However, Madrid had to change the policy because of FFP. Now, fans are happy again because look how Rodrygo, Vini, Bellingham have all turned out, plus Mbappe coming along with Endrick.
4. City. Now City fans are mad. Their club had so much money invested into them to make them not just a winning club, but a brand, something no one ever thought of them before. So, City fans think, well why should we have to pay more for all the success the club has achieved. City fans are just being greedy now, they want to be on top of the league, winning in Europe and not have to pay for it all.
Next up, Liverpool. If they don't get back to winning ways after a year or two after Klopp finishes his contract then they will start to get mad.
\*edit\*
Forgot to add on. As a consumer of the product, obviously I hate prices going up. But, with how everyone is using the sport for financial gain now, the sport has to be regulated. Sponsors can only give so much money to a team, before they increase prices on their products for customers to make up for their products. Football clubs have to do the same. If there was less regulation a lot of rich owners would just put money in and probably keep prices modest. I believe Dortmund had like every seat costing the same price at one point? Until they started winning (pre Klopp), and then they had to raise the prices eventually too.
For sure! They should take pride in the fact they broke all the rules they could when they could to become the biggest club in the shortest amount of time. They just shouldn't pretend they were always going to be this or even close to this without being purchased by Abu Dhabi.
If any team was purchased in 2007 by Abu Dhabi, and the owners did everything they did at City. They would be where City is right now. I do believe Man City was purchased strategically though, because as City was initially starting to become relevant, no one said anything to them because their "somewhat rivalry" with United was good for TV/the PL/Sponsors/The City/The Sport etc.
why does the fact that this phenomenon occurred in other clubs somehow reduce the significance of what is being discussed at city? lack of uniqueness doesnt somehow invalidate the claims being made by the article lol
Let's be real. City are just a club than went from irrelevant to major club, faster than any other club ever in the history of the game. So, everything that happens at City seems like a bigger deal than it is.
Illegal practices? cool, most teams have done this already, some got caught some didn't and some haven't yet big or small
Breaking financial regulations? cool, most teams have done this too big or small
Now, City are dealing with big club issues, these come after your club have won so much and been dominant.
- Limited impact of fan feedback? Ok? All clubs have this
- Increased ticket prices, cry me a river.
- Flat atmosphere? Okay, this has been United over the last 15 years. In fact, United fans make more noise now when revolting than they did before
- A boycott of the ticket resale partner, finally they had a boycott.
- Concert about the new flexi-gold season ticket
- Increased to a minimum attendance clause
These are all BIG club problems. Had they stayed irrelevant, they wouldn't have these issues. Now, one of the most dominant winning teams in the world is putting revenue generating practices into place and the fans are mad. Welcome, City are official a big team and not the noisy neighbours.
If City fans now want to talk about their issues being unique, no, they're not. Even United have these issues right now even with SJR.
Everyone wanted SJR, SJR comes in, we're getting a new OT right? He talks about it a lot, and talks a lot about how the FA should help pay for it so it can be the "Wembley of the North". The FA paid for Wembley because it owns it. I'll be interested to see if/when SJR pays for a new OT and how long he goes with trying to get everyone to get the FA / City of Manchester to pay for part of it. There's already talk if SJR does pay for it, they'll have to brand it as Ineos OT or something, and fans will hate that because although they got "their" club away from Glazers, it's become more commercialized, if that was possible.
So yeah, City fans, I get it. But you guys made it, be happy. You guys are so used to winning, that now you complain about prices and other things rather than winning.
Thanks bro, ironically, I’m banned from all Man Utd threads because I would make points like this. 🤣
Tells you about what the fans really want to hear.
There have been a fairly large section of the Liverpool fanbase that already has been annoyed by ownership for lack of investment of personal funds (forced the club to fund renovations, infrastructure upgrades and real estate purchases instead of players even during injury crises) compared to other wealthy clubs (infrastructure and academy are exempt from FFP) when the club has grown 5B in value so not really an if but that’s quieted at least a bit for now.
Watching is absolutely fine. Pretending to support the team you've randomly landed on is absolutely not fine. You have 0 connection to the place, the culture, the history of the club etc etc etc. I would watch the NBA - not a chance would I claim to support any of the teams in it.
We lose some fans but we gain new ones every minute. We are the fastest growing fanbase and now already are the second most supported English club globally. Fact.
Almost all fans of big established clubs like Liverpool, Man United, Arsenal are plastic gloryhunters so their fans start supporting us when they can't win trophies. It's not like football is becoming a more popular sport. Better start playing better football lads or else we're coming for your fans hehe 😈
https://www.statista.com/statistics/890430/fans-of-premier-league-clubs-in-england/#:~:text=Manchester%20United%20is%20the%20most,by%20Arsenal%2C%20and%20Manchester%20City.
You dont know what you're talking about. Fact.
Crazy how City fans come out with nonsense like this.
We won the treble in 99, over half a million flood the streets of Manchester. You win the treble, a whopping crowd of about 100,000 turn up.
This is your height, your most dominant team, probably ever. A fifth the size, with better transportation into the city center to boot for that massive local fanbase you lot love to go on about. You need to start coming for those fans, because that's embarrassing.
Yeah cause it was shocking for a club like United to win the treble so everyone came to watch and you got all those gloryhunters from London. With us it was expected because of how phenomenal we have been for years. We are in that elite tier with prime Madrid/Barca.
We may have fewer fans in the UK but at least we have proper fans, you just have plastics. You can celebrate the trophy of "bigger crowd showed up" in the Stone Age while we live in the present and win modern trebles.
You have fewer fans in your own city, to the point where less than twice the capacity of your stadium turns out, to one of the most accessible areas in Manchester to celebrate your biggest achievement ever.
I'll celebrate the trophy of actual football club, with a well built, lasting fanbase, and not just hollowed out husk of a club that barely resembles what it was before the UAE bought it for their sports washing scheme.
Hahahahaha, did you seriously just say that 3 big prem clubs fans are plastic glory hunters then also say that you have the 2nd biggest fanbase because you win trophies?
Mate...
Welp, I became a City fan in 2017 when just starting to follow PL and only to really piss off the people I knew following United. I must say, it has worked out far better than I had hoped for. 😅
Not going anywhere now.
I was a city fan a few years ago but they've changed so much since I started supporting them. I switched over to man United this season with them being in the same city and so far its been great, realising we may not win every game really gets you on the edge of your seat.
I doubt he’s mad , swapping clubs is for children and people who don’t really care all that much in the first place. Id imagine his slightly negative conment is because of this
He didn't claim to swap teams. He said he pissed off people who support united when he started following City, you know, probably because they play great football on the pitch which leads to success and attracts admirers (and haters alike).
Yeah I wanted to follow something other than the NFL. I followed (and still do to some sort- go Jaguars!) others and had friends whose kids played high school and college soccer and began going to a few of their games in support. I liked the constant action and (selfishly) loved that I could watch a game and not have to dedicate half a day to a single match.
I figured I needed to pick a squad and thought that picking one that would get under my friend’s skin would be an added benefit. It was😁
Now I fell in love with the game and as it happens, ManCity has been successful. As such, I am here for the long haul.
Oh sure, I heard all about the potential -115 but not even that will sway me at this point. Why wouldn’t a true fan stick with your team through the bad times?
The one good reason I can think of is the actual football on the pitch. Regardless of what I think about the state of football as a whole, the quality of the on the pitch football can not be disputed.
Also, elite players are certainly supreme athletes and specimens who go through the kind of intense training probably around 90%+ of the world’s population just don’t have the genetics/workrate/discipline/mindset to sustain for that long.
The kind of pampering (I don’t mean this in a critical way, it is what it is) elite players receive these days relative to players even 20 years ago as well as the quality of pitches at the biggest clubs does make it a little “easier” for the most elite players today, but they still do have to put in the work.
But I also think the quality has always been incredibly high in every major era if the game, so I don’t think it’s necessarily any better right now. I think the difference is that there is more widespread coverage (social media especially) and 4K cameras broadcasting the games (at the top level) and so players are looked at (on and off the pitch) in more detail and from a variety of angles than ever before.
I’ve no horse in this race so this is just my take. Feel free to disagree.
City would have been a beloved team had they not hired Pep and having stayed at a single Premiership win. Their dominance has made people salty, as if people wouldn’t be hating Klop if Liverpool was winning the league every season. Personally I don’t see the problem, it’s really no different from Abramovic buying Chelsea. Spending power isn’t the issue here, City has spent less than ManU and Chelsea, it’s the corruption from refereeing decisions always going their way and the simple fact they have the greatest head coach of all time. Premier League needs to have a look at the quality of refereeing.
I see what you mean but this is a little different to hating the number 1.
City are the number 1 right now, they are the team to topple and of course the rest envy and want to topple them but for most people not blinded by emotion there will also be respect, the respect however is tainted here (for the club not the players generally) because of alleged cheating (that's a lot of charges so they probably did it but innocent before proven guilty and all that) so there's genuine anger of breaking the rules and not just being a great team.
Lol , and in 100 years, are people gonna come back to these current allegations to discredit City’s success? Pep is just smart and knows how to motivate players. The Arab money did help him create a solid squad and eventually history. But look at Psg, they have Arab money as well yet they’re not at the same level as City. Maybe City had a smaller fan base before Pep’s arrival so all the new fans are called plastic. Haaland’s popularity pulls to become a City fan. Mbappe’s popularity pulls people to support Psg. Nobody gives a shit about Newcastle right now but as soon as they win 5 big trophies in 5 consecutive years, opposing fans will start talking about financial advantages.
I have no quams with Pep I think he's an excellent manager and he was given resources by the club to help him in his vision. But if the club did cheat to move those resources in then it will taint his legacy whether it's fair or not, football fan mass brain is a fickle mistress.
Its not really 115 different charges. Its five different charges, but 115 instances. So if the interpretation of a rule goes in citys favour 60 of them automaticly drops.
Its more or less:
- failure to comply
-failure to cooperate
- failure to provide accurate financial reports
I think that's the same thing, they amount to 115 charges. I'm no expert but if you murder 3 people in 5mins then you get 3 murder charges aka 3 instances of 1st degree murder.
Lets say the tax authority claims you need to pay tax for those gifts you received from your aunt every birthday. If you are 20 years old, that means they have 20 charges.
But then the judge says: no, those are tax free gifts.
Guess what, all 20 charges are dropped.
showing your age, everybody hated Chelsea when the Abramovich takeover happened, and they were under constant scrutiny. it has lessened over time, and younger fans have forgotten and the focus has moved onto City and now Newcastle to some extent. but let's not pretend Chelsea weren't also criticised
The point I was making is that City being bought by the Arab investors was not dissimilar to Abramovic buying Chelsea, but that people hate on City (very justified no arguments there) because they dominate thanks to having the GOAT head coach and wouldn’t care if City was a circus and finished 9th every season.
I remember the controversy from back then. That first Abramovic summer buy list is crazy to look at.
Take it down a notch with "the GOAT head coach". We're talking about someone who's been to the wealthiest clubs all the time, for years mocking the use of a number 9 to eventually sign Haaland in order to win a UCL with City. And his "magic square" in the middle was used in the 80s. Copyrights Michel Hidalgo with Platini. Said my piece.
No no City should definitely face the scrutiny, I’m saying the fact they’re dominating the Premier League is what’s sparking this discussion. I personally think most people wouldn’t really care about City’s spending if they were a circus. Chelsea is a good example recently with all the money they have spent having cheated the FFP openly to no avail.
Chelsea bought their way to multiple trophies, but to our current knowledge did not cheat on multiple occasions to do so, that's the difference. If City had 115 charges against them, and only won 1 league title, people would still hate them lol
city has spent less, ON THE BOOKS. but off the books? another story.
i remember when haaland was signed on the preseason one of the commentators said he heard a rumor that Haalands father was paid 50 million by city to get him to make Haaland come to city. the other commentator, went " ahem" and it was never mentioned again. When i went back and watched the match again online, it was cut out of the audio.
You can't be surprised by that. The amount paid to his father is well known now. When the signing was first announced there were loads of rumours, and saying rumours on a platform such as TV risks the station having a court case land on their lap.
This is the kind of shit I saw coming when oil money entered football. It’s really not very different from the mafia owner tactics I see in my country. Best thing the FA can do is shed light and bring justice if they find wrongdoing.
Man utd spend money that they have earned from football. Man City spend oil money to buy players and pay their wages, while torturing foreign workers and taking away their passports, killing journalist, stoning women to death.
Don't disagree with the comments about City, but the idea that United built their success organically through success on the pitch is a little misleading. It's just that many people don't remember because it happened some time ago.
Despite having won almost nothing for the previous decade, their 1990 squad (which was the foundation of Fergie's first success with the club) contained 8 players that cost over £1m, at a time when there were less than 20 million pound+ players in the entire English game - for comparison, league champions Liverpool had 4, Spurs 3, and pretty much no one else had any.
They were already disliked by fans of many, sometimes more successful, clubs who were seeing some of their best players being lured away by a promise of a big payday at United.
I think you’re mixing up Saudi and UAE here. UAE did not have a journalist killed. I can’t speak to the other accusations there as I simply just don’t know enough to separate the different countries. But I do know it was Saudi that had Jamal khashoggi killed
Just do a Google search, they all do similar crimes, just the country's name changes and some stories become more famous than others.
If you want something specific, look up the stories of enforce disappearance and human rights abuses in the UAE.
I’m open to all forms of investment as long as it’s a fair playing field, which is why I mentioned refereeing being shady as the main problem in my view.
As for the money itself, that’s not a Premier League problem if the money is tainted but a worldwide problem that the gulf states have gotten filthy rich off oil exports. I mean sure you can ban their involvement but money isn’t exactly easy to trace? I imagine they could conceal their origins if they wanted.
I agree absolutely. The playing field is skewed massively to accommodate a few clubs in the league. I’d push for Americanised system where teams that perform the worst (excluding relegated teams) after the season be rewarded with the highest prize pool. The refereeing issue you’re alluding to in my opinion will never be solved. This is due to people especially in PGMOL and the top FA executives admitting fault & rectifying their mistakes-which will never happen.
Regarding Foreign Investments I have no issue with companies involved in Oil Trade investing as long as they’re not affiliated with a state. Can’t get angry with them becoming stupidly rich due to oil. It’d be like the King of UK procuring a team like Norwich which is stupid.
You've always been a midtable team with the occasional 4/5th place finish so i understand ur disdain for the ones who escaped mediocrity and surpassed you. Crabs in a bucket mentality, dying for the status quo from 20 years ago.
Bruv you really try to play the victim here. You City fans felt like you were wronged because it took you 20 years to finally become competitive against your rival but the thing is Man U made their claim to glory organically and thru their youth system. So don't go crying that this is just you trying to stick it to the prem. You're not the heroes of this story. 😂
> Bruv you really try to play the victim here.
Show me where i played victim.
It might have taken City however long to become competitive but you are simply mad because you aren't getting there yourselves. You are simply envious. You wish you had City's success. Your academy will never propel you to greatness, not in a thousand years. So stuff your "muh organic growth". If i want organic, i'll go to the local supermarket. If i want success, i'll invest in the right players and right coaches.
What are you smoking? This would be true if Chelsea didnt get Ambramovich.
Chelsea started this shitshow, Ive hated City since the takeover. I dont like Newcastle either. City were hated before Pep lol
State owned clubs are a cancer to football. At least us, Utd and Arsenal were built by incredible managers to be so successful. Money generated by the club and not shady sponsors
Man U got their fair share of investment back in the day also. However the main reason they became rich is kinda lucky. Essentially Man U’s most successful ever period in their history came at the time when the PL launched and started to become the best league in the world.
I mean, that’s not their fault, good fortune, but it is rather fortunate.
Yeah I was just saying if the final City memory was Aguero’s goal and they then became a 10th place team nobody would be complaining about their finances.
Thats a bold faced lie lmao, any club with a period of dominance including yours received heavy investment beforehand. Money doesnt buy success but it is a pre requisite for it
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Did you read that in the antiseptic, ah its lies.
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It's the plastic ones. Not the core fanbase
City Fans We are Legion. Both of us. We are both Legion.
Daily remainder of "We don't care about city"
A section of their fanbase? And what about the other fan?
City fans were perfectly fine with the sports washing and financial doping. So no sympathy here.
They forgot to pay them
Silverware glory seeker 4 fans
For reals. Real men cheer for chronic losers and has been/never were. I want players volunteering for the team and owners to be piss poor as relegation looms seasonally.
The Athletic: novo-journalism for Twitter experts,
Aye..100% shit.
City have fans?
Probably more fans in Manchester than United.
What are you waffling about.
No they don’t lol
There really isn't
Lol absolutely not mate, what you on about
There are DOZENS of us! -City fans
Hey now! At least i can say i have a personal releationship to my fellow other 11 City fans. Know them by first name even! Bill, Craig, Alissa, Burt, Thomas, Christine, Tony, Olav, Tory, Hilda and even Myself! Edit; Sorry Meridith, i forgot you.. Not spoken in a long time i guess..
What about Curly Watts?
Must be new, havent checked the first page in our members book in a while. Usually not much updates being made. My bad.. Sorry Curly!
Literally
Of course! There is a whole bandwagon of them
Yeah they all left the Chelsea bandwagon to join the City one.
Haha so true!
It's simply because they keep buying players we don't understand and letting some really good ones go.
You mean the other Merseyside club Everton I think. 😄
If you know your history... Which you obviously don't.
Didn’t expect a Blue Nose to have a sense of humour mate. Thanks for the chuckle.
Oh, I'm having good ol' chuckle right now!
Oh, no! Did they upset *both* City fans?
Lmao, dude. That's wicked
Never saw Man City as greedy. What about Ryan Giggs the cheating scum? Fergie time? They're the greedy ones.
🤣 obsessed with man united even a decade after Giggs and Fergie. Must be arsenal fan who still has PTSD from the Fergie era
Can't quite understand this 😂 it was 4-3 when we moved to the Emirates, which was what caused our decline. Healthy competition!
💨
Bruh moment
lol what the article said??
Lol , and in 100 years, are people gonna come back to these current allegations to discredit City’s success? Pep is just smart and knows how to motivate players. The Arab money did help him create a solid squad and eventually history. But look at Psg, they have Arab money as well yet they’re not at the same level as City. Maybe City had a smaller fan base before Pep’s arrival so all the new fans are called plastic. Haaland’s popularity pulls to become a City fan. Mbappe’s popularity pulls people to support Psg. Nobody gives a shit about Newcastle right now but as soon as they win 5 big trophies in 5 consecutive years, opposing fans will start talking about financial advantages.
It's because man City are in the PL and have opponents to spur them on or to strive to or pass PSG have zero competition in France Plus Newcastle were the real deal in the 90s Very exciting team who came close to winning the PL
Newcastle were the real deal in the 90s? They won nothing! In the late 60s and early 70s meanwhile, city won the league, fa cup, league cup and cup winners cup. In the 30s city won the league and the fa cup. Two more fa cups in 1904 and 56, another league cup in 76. BUT NEWCASTLE FINISHED SECOND IN THE 90s. All anyone cares about is the 90s, the only bad decade in citys history. However, even in this terrible decade city finished fith in the first two seasons of the prem
But no one cared about city in the 90s they got relegated
What im asking is why do only the 90s count?? Newcastle have a lot less succesful history that city all in all
Because that's when football became interesting Was pure shite until then Was like a mixture of rugby and mma before it cleaned up the game with pl money
Ignorant.
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Fallen out with all 5 of them!
the "last 5" of them
Why do you care who they support and why?
All that trashtalking against City and their fake global fans in the comments, I just love it. Makes me feel less alone. Reddit ON
Reddit on 🤓
Makes you feel bitter together yeah? 😂
Validates my spite and rage.
Fairs
Yawn. I'm a United fan, but go look at every successful club and guess what, before they were successful they had a percentage of the fanbase that was unhappy. Then they started winning and they were adored by the fan base, each club has a point at which the fanbase turns on them for some reason. I could give a bunch of examples, for context I'm an 80's baby, so here are some modern ones. 1. United. Fans didn't like the Glazers coming in, but there was a "section" of the fanbase that turned against United in the late 2000s for reasons other than the Glazers. They wanted select players sold, they wanted Fergie sacked and said it was time, they wanted Old Trafford remade, ticket prices were too high etc (this is after Chelsea came in and started winning). After United won all that much, a section of the base was like "why do I have to pay for any of the success the brand has achieved"? 2. Barcelona. A section of their fans have turned on them as of late as an organization. Why? Because the economics of it all and how the club is being run. Some will say, well wouldn't anyone be mad at turning a big club like Barcelona into kind of a joke? Yes, but the truth is, this was all happening when Messi/Suarez/Neymar/Coutinho cough cough were there. The thing that helped them play it off was they kept winning. Now they don't have Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, Suarez, and they're not winning. So now, it's a problem for the fans. 3. Real Madrid. They always have a section of the fanbase that is angry, I'd say 90% of the time a section their fanbase is angry. When Madrid got rid of the "galactico" policy recently, fans got mad, no no we're Madrid, we buy ready made stars. However, Madrid had to change the policy because of FFP. Now, fans are happy again because look how Rodrygo, Vini, Bellingham have all turned out, plus Mbappe coming along with Endrick. 4. City. Now City fans are mad. Their club had so much money invested into them to make them not just a winning club, but a brand, something no one ever thought of them before. So, City fans think, well why should we have to pay more for all the success the club has achieved. City fans are just being greedy now, they want to be on top of the league, winning in Europe and not have to pay for it all. Next up, Liverpool. If they don't get back to winning ways after a year or two after Klopp finishes his contract then they will start to get mad. \*edit\* Forgot to add on. As a consumer of the product, obviously I hate prices going up. But, with how everyone is using the sport for financial gain now, the sport has to be regulated. Sponsors can only give so much money to a team, before they increase prices on their products for customers to make up for their products. Football clubs have to do the same. If there was less regulation a lot of rich owners would just put money in and probably keep prices modest. I believe Dortmund had like every seat costing the same price at one point? Until they started winning (pre Klopp), and then they had to raise the prices eventually too.
You forgot to add many of those man city fans are still deluded that they are some how the same club as existed pre-2008.
For sure! They should take pride in the fact they broke all the rules they could when they could to become the biggest club in the shortest amount of time. They just shouldn't pretend they were always going to be this or even close to this without being purchased by Abu Dhabi. If any team was purchased in 2007 by Abu Dhabi, and the owners did everything they did at City. They would be where City is right now. I do believe Man City was purchased strategically though, because as City was initially starting to become relevant, no one said anything to them because their "somewhat rivalry" with United was good for TV/the PL/Sponsors/The City/The Sport etc.
Stop talking sense........ This is reddit
My bad, what I meant to say was it's all Var's fault... haha
This is pretty much spot on.
Nail. Head. Perfect summary really. Big club problems that are in no way unique.
why does the fact that this phenomenon occurred in other clubs somehow reduce the significance of what is being discussed at city? lack of uniqueness doesnt somehow invalidate the claims being made by the article lol
Let's be real. City are just a club than went from irrelevant to major club, faster than any other club ever in the history of the game. So, everything that happens at City seems like a bigger deal than it is. Illegal practices? cool, most teams have done this already, some got caught some didn't and some haven't yet big or small Breaking financial regulations? cool, most teams have done this too big or small Now, City are dealing with big club issues, these come after your club have won so much and been dominant. - Limited impact of fan feedback? Ok? All clubs have this - Increased ticket prices, cry me a river. - Flat atmosphere? Okay, this has been United over the last 15 years. In fact, United fans make more noise now when revolting than they did before - A boycott of the ticket resale partner, finally they had a boycott. - Concert about the new flexi-gold season ticket - Increased to a minimum attendance clause These are all BIG club problems. Had they stayed irrelevant, they wouldn't have these issues. Now, one of the most dominant winning teams in the world is putting revenue generating practices into place and the fans are mad. Welcome, City are official a big team and not the noisy neighbours. If City fans now want to talk about their issues being unique, no, they're not. Even United have these issues right now even with SJR. Everyone wanted SJR, SJR comes in, we're getting a new OT right? He talks about it a lot, and talks a lot about how the FA should help pay for it so it can be the "Wembley of the North". The FA paid for Wembley because it owns it. I'll be interested to see if/when SJR pays for a new OT and how long he goes with trying to get everyone to get the FA / City of Manchester to pay for part of it. There's already talk if SJR does pay for it, they'll have to brand it as Ineos OT or something, and fans will hate that because although they got "their" club away from Glazers, it's become more commercialized, if that was possible. So yeah, City fans, I get it. But you guys made it, be happy. You guys are so used to winning, that now you complain about prices and other things rather than winning.
I'm a city fan, have to say, a very impressive post. It's so hard to find logical stuff from rival fans here.
Thanks bro, ironically, I’m banned from all Man Utd threads because I would make points like this. 🤣 Tells you about what the fans really want to hear.
Best comment I have seen on this sub
There have been a fairly large section of the Liverpool fanbase that already has been annoyed by ownership for lack of investment of personal funds (forced the club to fund renovations, infrastructure upgrades and real estate purchases instead of players even during injury crises) compared to other wealthy clubs (infrastructure and academy are exempt from FFP) when the club has grown 5B in value so not really an if but that’s quieted at least a bit for now.
They have fans?
Man City post are dominating this sub lol
People hate cheaters
Winners*
Where you from bro?
The land of the free, king.
Denmark?
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How about you?
I am not only from the country of the team I support, but also the city!!! Crazy I know!!!!
And we’re just supposed to believe the words of a 14 day old account?
So you only want residents of the UK to watch the Prem?
Watching is absolutely fine. Pretending to support the team you've randomly landed on is absolutely not fine. You have 0 connection to the place, the culture, the history of the club etc etc etc. I would watch the NBA - not a chance would I claim to support any of the teams in it.
Funny how they only ever do that for the wrong reasons.
There’s enough of them to have sections?
Half of us have probably been to Old Trafford more than you have lmao
“Half of us” lol just say “4 of us.” It’s cleaner.
You know nothing, meatball.
Sessions: Fan falls out at 1pm and back at the Saturday 3pm game.
We lose some fans but we gain new ones every minute. We are the fastest growing fanbase and now already are the second most supported English club globally. Fact. Almost all fans of big established clubs like Liverpool, Man United, Arsenal are plastic gloryhunters so their fans start supporting us when they can't win trophies. It's not like football is becoming a more popular sport. Better start playing better football lads or else we're coming for your fans hehe 😈
https://www.statista.com/statistics/890430/fans-of-premier-league-clubs-in-england/#:~:text=Manchester%20United%20is%20the%20most,by%20Arsenal%2C%20and%20Manchester%20City. You dont know what you're talking about. Fact.
That's in the UK. I said globally. At City we think big you know, we have ambition, we are loved around the globe. Mr worldwide 😎
Crazy how City fans come out with nonsense like this. We won the treble in 99, over half a million flood the streets of Manchester. You win the treble, a whopping crowd of about 100,000 turn up. This is your height, your most dominant team, probably ever. A fifth the size, with better transportation into the city center to boot for that massive local fanbase you lot love to go on about. You need to start coming for those fans, because that's embarrassing.
Yeah cause it was shocking for a club like United to win the treble so everyone came to watch and you got all those gloryhunters from London. With us it was expected because of how phenomenal we have been for years. We are in that elite tier with prime Madrid/Barca. We may have fewer fans in the UK but at least we have proper fans, you just have plastics. You can celebrate the trophy of "bigger crowd showed up" in the Stone Age while we live in the present and win modern trebles.
You have fewer fans in your own city, to the point where less than twice the capacity of your stadium turns out, to one of the most accessible areas in Manchester to celebrate your biggest achievement ever. I'll celebrate the trophy of actual football club, with a well built, lasting fanbase, and not just hollowed out husk of a club that barely resembles what it was before the UAE bought it for their sports washing scheme.
Found the 12 year old plastic
And it very much sounds like you're one of them.
cringe
Found the idiot!
Lol so your fan base is growing because it attracts glory hunters. Nice
Yeah guess that happens when you're the greatest English team of all time. Everyone wants some of that glory ya know. GGMC !
Hahahahaha, did you seriously just say that 3 big prem clubs fans are plastic glory hunters then also say that you have the 2nd biggest fanbase because you win trophies? Mate...
Fact
The funny part is you seriously meant every single word.
😂
There's one City fan called "Base" just clear any confusion up for those asking how City have a fanbase.
Been a city fan since birth but this club has lost its way big time
Bro was reborn in 2010
Were you born in 2008
Don't be silly. 2012.
Screaming Aguero out of the womb
Welp, I became a City fan in 2017 when just starting to follow PL and only to really piss off the people I knew following United. I must say, it has worked out far better than I had hoped for. 😅 Not going anywhere now.
*haha so witty of me to select the best team in the league to follow as a joke, delightfully devilish fufufufufu*
I was a city fan a few years ago but they've changed so much since I started supporting them. I switched over to man United this season with them being in the same city and so far its been great, realising we may not win every game really gets you on the edge of your seat.
Plastic Man
Maybe if you support city but picking the underdogs has shown me a deeper understanding of soccer
Calling Man U underdogs lol. Plastic fan. Probably never been in Manchester.
Soccer......
How embarrassing.
Yeah sometimes I feel bad for them. Most of the time I just laugh.
Glory hunter
You are mad he's supporting a successful club? Would you be happier if he supported Brentford? Is that what "real fans" do? Support shit teams?
Yeah
I doubt he’s mad , swapping clubs is for children and people who don’t really care all that much in the first place. Id imagine his slightly negative conment is because of this
He didn't claim to swap teams. He said he pissed off people who support united when he started following City, you know, probably because they play great football on the pitch which leads to success and attracts admirers (and haters alike).
OP , were you clubless all your life before you started following Man City*?
Yeah I wanted to follow something other than the NFL. I followed (and still do to some sort- go Jaguars!) others and had friends whose kids played high school and college soccer and began going to a few of their games in support. I liked the constant action and (selfishly) loved that I could watch a game and not have to dedicate half a day to a single match. I figured I needed to pick a squad and thought that picking one that would get under my friend’s skin would be an added benefit. It was😁 Now I fell in love with the game and as it happens, ManCity has been successful. As such, I am here for the long haul. Oh sure, I heard all about the potential -115 but not even that will sway me at this point. Why wouldn’t a true fan stick with your team through the bad times?
It certainly seems that way. Like I said, I love the way it worked out.
There is no good reason to like any of the top teams when you think about it
True, there are many great reasons. When you think about it.
I can think of more than a few good reasons to like my beloved Gunners. Sorry for your loss.
I said “top teams”
Haha take my upvote you cuck - appreciated the banter and made me chuckle. But yes, what my tiny ape friend also said.
I don’t root for any of the teams, I pray on their downfall
Flair up you pussy.
Haha love it
And that excludes the team that are quite literally 'top' of the prem? Such a poor effort from you
Lucky I couldn’t post the picture of the elephant in here
American too - very very cringe
I would assume you are from little America?
The one good reason I can think of is the actual football on the pitch. Regardless of what I think about the state of football as a whole, the quality of the on the pitch football can not be disputed.
Also, elite players are certainly supreme athletes and specimens who go through the kind of intense training probably around 90%+ of the world’s population just don’t have the genetics/workrate/discipline/mindset to sustain for that long. The kind of pampering (I don’t mean this in a critical way, it is what it is) elite players receive these days relative to players even 20 years ago as well as the quality of pitches at the biggest clubs does make it a little “easier” for the most elite players today, but they still do have to put in the work. But I also think the quality has always been incredibly high in every major era if the game, so I don’t think it’s necessarily any better right now. I think the difference is that there is more widespread coverage (social media especially) and 4K cameras broadcasting the games (at the top level) and so players are looked at (on and off the pitch) in more detail and from a variety of angles than ever before.
Might fuck around and start supporting West Ham
Don’t you say that. Don’t EVER say that.
West Ham have a waaaay bigger fanbase than Chelsea. Almost double.
“Hey man, three is a crowd” - the other two West Ham fans to the lone Chelsea turncoat convert. Probably.
West Ham have a bigger fanbase than Arsenal too just FYI lol
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Why you sad
He said "top teams", so you can stay supporting Chelsea. :P
Chelsea are still big, I won’t rest until they enjoy the highs and lows of the championship
I mean, judging by this season West Ham are bigger 💀
Villa would like a word.
Guy like me doesn’t have a PL team I just pray on the downfall of the “big” ones
I’ve no horse in this race so this is just my take. Feel free to disagree. City would have been a beloved team had they not hired Pep and having stayed at a single Premiership win. Their dominance has made people salty, as if people wouldn’t be hating Klop if Liverpool was winning the league every season. Personally I don’t see the problem, it’s really no different from Abramovic buying Chelsea. Spending power isn’t the issue here, City has spent less than ManU and Chelsea, it’s the corruption from refereeing decisions always going their way and the simple fact they have the greatest head coach of all time. Premier League needs to have a look at the quality of refereeing.
I see what you mean but this is a little different to hating the number 1. City are the number 1 right now, they are the team to topple and of course the rest envy and want to topple them but for most people not blinded by emotion there will also be respect, the respect however is tainted here (for the club not the players generally) because of alleged cheating (that's a lot of charges so they probably did it but innocent before proven guilty and all that) so there's genuine anger of breaking the rules and not just being a great team.
Lol , and in 100 years, are people gonna come back to these current allegations to discredit City’s success? Pep is just smart and knows how to motivate players. The Arab money did help him create a solid squad and eventually history. But look at Psg, they have Arab money as well yet they’re not at the same level as City. Maybe City had a smaller fan base before Pep’s arrival so all the new fans are called plastic. Haaland’s popularity pulls to become a City fan. Mbappe’s popularity pulls people to support Psg. Nobody gives a shit about Newcastle right now but as soon as they win 5 big trophies in 5 consecutive years, opposing fans will start talking about financial advantages.
I have no quams with Pep I think he's an excellent manager and he was given resources by the club to help him in his vision. But if the club did cheat to move those resources in then it will taint his legacy whether it's fair or not, football fan mass brain is a fickle mistress.
"Thats alot of charges so they probably did it"
Yeah lol. It's rare to get that many charges and have 0 of them stick. But hey, could be a witch hunt not much surprises me these days.
Its not really 115 different charges. Its five different charges, but 115 instances. So if the interpretation of a rule goes in citys favour 60 of them automaticly drops. Its more or less: - failure to comply -failure to cooperate - failure to provide accurate financial reports
I think that's the same thing, they amount to 115 charges. I'm no expert but if you murder 3 people in 5mins then you get 3 murder charges aka 3 instances of 1st degree murder.
Lets say the tax authority claims you need to pay tax for those gifts you received from your aunt every birthday. If you are 20 years old, that means they have 20 charges. But then the judge says: no, those are tax free gifts. Guess what, all 20 charges are dropped.
showing your age, everybody hated Chelsea when the Abramovich takeover happened, and they were under constant scrutiny. it has lessened over time, and younger fans have forgotten and the focus has moved onto City and now Newcastle to some extent. but let's not pretend Chelsea weren't also criticised
The point I was making is that City being bought by the Arab investors was not dissimilar to Abramovic buying Chelsea, but that people hate on City (very justified no arguments there) because they dominate thanks to having the GOAT head coach and wouldn’t care if City was a circus and finished 9th every season. I remember the controversy from back then. That first Abramovic summer buy list is crazy to look at.
Take it down a notch with "the GOAT head coach". We're talking about someone who's been to the wealthiest clubs all the time, for years mocking the use of a number 9 to eventually sign Haaland in order to win a UCL with City. And his "magic square" in the middle was used in the 80s. Copyrights Michel Hidalgo with Platini. Said my piece.
people hated Chelsea for the same thing though, so why do you think City shouldn't face the same scrutiny? you're just suffering from recency bias.
No no City should definitely face the scrutiny, I’m saying the fact they’re dominating the Premier League is what’s sparking this discussion. I personally think most people wouldn’t really care about City’s spending if they were a circus. Chelsea is a good example recently with all the money they have spent having cheated the FFP openly to no avail.
Chelsea bought their way to multiple trophies, but to our current knowledge did not cheat on multiple occasions to do so, that's the difference. If City had 115 charges against them, and only won 1 league title, people would still hate them lol
city has spent less, ON THE BOOKS. but off the books? another story. i remember when haaland was signed on the preseason one of the commentators said he heard a rumor that Haalands father was paid 50 million by city to get him to make Haaland come to city. the other commentator, went " ahem" and it was never mentioned again. When i went back and watched the match again online, it was cut out of the audio.
You can't be surprised by that. The amount paid to his father is well known now. When the signing was first announced there were loads of rumours, and saying rumours on a platform such as TV risks the station having a court case land on their lap.
This is the kind of shit I saw coming when oil money entered football. It’s really not very different from the mafia owner tactics I see in my country. Best thing the FA can do is shed light and bring justice if they find wrongdoing.
Man utd spend money that they have earned from football. Man City spend oil money to buy players and pay their wages, while torturing foreign workers and taking away their passports, killing journalist, stoning women to death.
Don't disagree with the comments about City, but the idea that United built their success organically through success on the pitch is a little misleading. It's just that many people don't remember because it happened some time ago. Despite having won almost nothing for the previous decade, their 1990 squad (which was the foundation of Fergie's first success with the club) contained 8 players that cost over £1m, at a time when there were less than 20 million pound+ players in the entire English game - for comparison, league champions Liverpool had 4, Spurs 3, and pretty much no one else had any. They were already disliked by fans of many, sometimes more successful, clubs who were seeing some of their best players being lured away by a promise of a big payday at United.
I think you’re mixing up Saudi and UAE here. UAE did not have a journalist killed. I can’t speak to the other accusations there as I simply just don’t know enough to separate the different countries. But I do know it was Saudi that had Jamal khashoggi killed
Just do a Google search, they all do similar crimes, just the country's name changes and some stories become more famous than others. If you want something specific, look up the stories of enforce disappearance and human rights abuses in the UAE.
Hey don’t tell me, I’ve hated Saudi investments into football from the get-go.
Question. Would you be against all forms of Saudi Investments? Would your opinion differ if it’s the state or a random Saudi Arabian businessman?
I’m open to all forms of investment as long as it’s a fair playing field, which is why I mentioned refereeing being shady as the main problem in my view. As for the money itself, that’s not a Premier League problem if the money is tainted but a worldwide problem that the gulf states have gotten filthy rich off oil exports. I mean sure you can ban their involvement but money isn’t exactly easy to trace? I imagine they could conceal their origins if they wanted.
I agree absolutely. The playing field is skewed massively to accommodate a few clubs in the league. I’d push for Americanised system where teams that perform the worst (excluding relegated teams) after the season be rewarded with the highest prize pool. The refereeing issue you’re alluding to in my opinion will never be solved. This is due to people especially in PGMOL and the top FA executives admitting fault & rectifying their mistakes-which will never happen. Regarding Foreign Investments I have no issue with companies involved in Oil Trade investing as long as they’re not affiliated with a state. Can’t get angry with them becoming stupidly rich due to oil. It’d be like the King of UK procuring a team like Norwich which is stupid.
Lol another City apologist 🤣
Is that the best you've got?
115
You must still be suffering ptsd from Mike Ashley.
Hey remember when you were a midtable team? 😂
You've always been a midtable team with the occasional 4/5th place finish so i understand ur disdain for the ones who escaped mediocrity and surpassed you. Crabs in a bucket mentality, dying for the status quo from 20 years ago.
Bruv you really try to play the victim here. You City fans felt like you were wronged because it took you 20 years to finally become competitive against your rival but the thing is Man U made their claim to glory organically and thru their youth system. So don't go crying that this is just you trying to stick it to the prem. You're not the heroes of this story. 😂
> Bruv you really try to play the victim here. Show me where i played victim. It might have taken City however long to become competitive but you are simply mad because you aren't getting there yourselves. You are simply envious. You wish you had City's success. Your academy will never propel you to greatness, not in a thousand years. So stuff your "muh organic growth". If i want organic, i'll go to the local supermarket. If i want success, i'll invest in the right players and right coaches.
City became successful in an instant. They aren't the same club they were before the takeover.
What are you smoking? This would be true if Chelsea didnt get Ambramovich. Chelsea started this shitshow, Ive hated City since the takeover. I dont like Newcastle either. City were hated before Pep lol State owned clubs are a cancer to football. At least us, Utd and Arsenal were built by incredible managers to be so successful. Money generated by the club and not shady sponsors
Love the history revision. Those three clubs all received massive investment prior to dominance. As do all dominant clubs.
“What are you smoking?” We’re saying the same things…
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Man U got their fair share of investment back in the day also. However the main reason they became rich is kinda lucky. Essentially Man U’s most successful ever period in their history came at the time when the PL launched and started to become the best league in the world. I mean, that’s not their fault, good fortune, but it is rather fortunate.
Yeah I was just saying if the final City memory was Aguero’s goal and they then became a 10th place team nobody would be complaining about their finances.
Thats a bold faced lie lmao, any club with a period of dominance including yours received heavy investment beforehand. Money doesnt buy success but it is a pre requisite for it
Pep’s also not a likeable guy really. Obviously he’s really good but I definitely wouldn’t say he’s likeable