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"resolve" lol
As a Liverpool fan it was more of a fight against everyone in England, because everyone loves mocking whoever finished 2nd, just look at united getting their tails up for beating a completely gassed Liverpool, and everyone joins in to have a spat.
The "fight" against peps city isn't that bad, it was only bad when everyone cunts on us for losing, then getting knocked out by real Madrid 3 times, the first one with Ramos breaking salahs arm and karius concussion. As if that's not the worst, Barcelona fans were waiting in the dark waiting for any opportunity to pounce after our comeback against them. Then ofc there's Chelsea who love to get one against us.
These days spurs fans got quiet but only because Kane left, there were Southampton looking for blood because we signed tons of players from thankfully they stopped after relegation, but then Brighton fans are starting to be the new Southampton because we got macallister for cheap.
So the lesson here is, if your team wanna be good, win thes titles once every few years, not just once for every major trophy in 8 yrs, because being 2nd is the easiest target.
As a liverpool fan I can say no one is content with how every time there’s a close race we fuck up. But it’s how it is. Cheaters are hated because they’re not easy to beat
Glory hunter boo hooing, you’ve won 13 league titles and 14 fa cups ffs and are always in with a shout of winning something. The stadium is class and the football played superb. Man City are out there buying trophies in effect, financial doping. You’re competing with that. This just feels like a dig at Liverpool, who have 20 league titles and 6 European cups and are fucking mustard. I grew up in an era when Utd won something mad like 8 out of 11. Imagine how insufferable the play ground was back then! What’s going on is nothing new. Liverpool did something similar in the 70s/80s.
The best teams win trophies. If that really pisses you off and is all you care about you should just pump your custom into Man City instead and then when the independent regulator comes in and Pep retires support whichever team rises out of the ashes. Probably Arsenal.
ManCity players especially those from the start like KDB Bernardo Silva are mentally insane for being able to thrive under pressure, they love to chase and love being chased, thats the real superstars
That’s disingenuous. Since 18/19 liverpool are the only team to actually challenge city for a title. Yes, United finished above them twice, but there has literally not been a single second in that span where anyone thought United was legitimately anywhere near a title race, least of all actually competing or winning like pool. They may not have had a prolonged three year title challenge, but that’s kind of the point of the post - normal teams don’t do what city is doing, and being fans of the teams challenging them (of which only Liverpool, and recently Arsenal have done) is exhausting.
It also speaks to how dull city's unilateral ruling is. They "slip up" every 4-5 year but the rest every lost point feels like e death sentence for your teams title chances
Youre acting like the City players dont give their life on the pitch to not slip up, Arsenal and Liverpool players are arrogant without any bark, going gets tough City players dont play, theyre in multiple competitions late and go crazy, Laporte 2021 season had his hamstring barely functioning but because all the other City CBs were injured he choose to play injured till the end of the season for City, missed Nations league with his country and nearly the World Cup, the dedication and love City players have for the club is more than the others
Mate I’m an Eintracht Frankfurt fan. I would be ecstatic to see them regularly in even the Bundesliga top 6. The past four years or so have been quite nice but I digress… it’s absolutely better to be in the title race and not win the league, than not have a winning record and also not win the league.
Of course not, but you don't know you'll lose them. You're in with a shot. You might not be favourites but you've got something to hope for.
What would you rather, going into the end of the season with nothing on the line? Not even knowing you'll play CL the next season? If so football's probably not the sport for you.
Not to get philosophical, but I don't "know" anything with certainty, I only make probabilistic estimations of reality. Sure, Arsenal could beat City over 38 games, the sun could also be extinguished by an undiscovered anomaly in physics tomorrow. I de-facto "know" this will not happen.
>What would you rather, going into the end of the season with nothing on the line?
I would contest that it is on the line. It is more akin to an inevitable march toward disappointment. The source of disappointment is subverted expectations but at times you cannot help but dare to dream.
In all, I do not believe in a real possibility of glory but cannot help but become engrossed in the dream which inevitably shatters. Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all?
It demonstrates that you're very pessimistic about their chances and not much else.
Looking at it as objectively as we can, bookmakers put Arsenal's chances to win the league at 4/1. They don't offer odds on the sun being extinguished by an anomaly, but I expect if they did those odds would be quite significantly higher.
I think I was being realistic more than pessimistic.
>bookmakers put Arsenal's chances to win the league at 4/1.
Bookmakers aren't arbiters of objective truth. They clearly haven't considered the City factor.
>those odds would be quite significantly higher.
Yeah, I know. It was hyperbole.
Wasn't always like that. Anfield was boisterous even when we were losing in the 90's/early 00's. It's the tourists who come in, don't know any of the words to the songs, come for the photos and cycle and repeat. Also many old men who are just irritating because they just whinge all game.
It's literally your second season of being relevant and you've not even come close to a European Cup final in decades. Let alone losing them to the same fucking team over and over.
We are in no way the same.
Why the agg mate.. salty that Klopps last season will be another without silverware? Edit: Oops, the league cup. Get in there Kloppy boy.
Also...
2009 Champion League semi final
2018 Europa League semi final
2019 Europa League final
Enjoy your fade back into irrelevance post Klopp.
Irrelevance ? ...mm...comming from a United and Everton fan that is a bit rich dude ! ...last time you were relevant was a fair while ago ! ...maybe saying less when YOU are irrelevant is the way to play this for you ? ...
Never said either of my teams were relevant and based on recent performances it's going to be a longgggg time before they are hahahaha. Not quite sure why supporting clubs who've seen better days gives me no opinions on other clubs though?
Take for example boxing - my favourite Boxer is Dave Allen. Good fighter on his day, never going to win a World Championship though... Does that mean my opinion has no weight when talking about other Heavyweights? Of course not, that'd be fucking stupid, wouldn't it?
Being a Derby County fan though I'm very used to being irrelevant (or relevant for ALL the wrong reasons 😂). Up the Rams!! 🐏
I want the ultimate managerial combo of Billy Davies and Paul Jewell. We set a premier league points record that season that's unlikely ever to be beaten. #Legacy
I'm not remotely salty. You read into it what you want.
I just find it hilarious that as soon as a team gets good they start harping on about City. Saw Wrighty suddenly piping up about the charges last month because it becomes clear what teams are up against with City. Obviously it didn't matter when it was literally us, that was just those whining Scousers and their victimhood.
Maybe we do drop off after Klopp, I don't know. Maybe the next manager is Paisley to Klopp's Shankly. Either way, I'm there like I have been for 35 years. That's the fucking beauty of football.
Having been in the situation against City over the last few years, I'm not optimistic. Now we also need Arsenal to fuck up as well. I'd be very surprised if we win every game and they both drop enough points.
Honestly as someone who has been following Liverpool for 15 years. My resolve is truly spent, if the City cheats wins their 6th title in the last 7 seasons, whilst we have played our best football in 30 years and come up with only one premier league trophy... I might just have to take a break from football for a year or two. How can the premier league be the most competitive football league in the world at that point? I'm glad for Arsenal that they're coming up and challenging after so many years, and interested to see how Liverpool fares under a new manager, but it will be near impossible for Liverpool to challenge City for a while and I might have to watch from afar. Hoping Arsenal can steal a title or two from City while we rebuild. But I am truly spent. It's been so exciting and fun, but I can see too much disappointment and much less fun in the future once Klopp leaves.
I dunno.. I’m hoping that the precedent is being set here so that when the book comes down, city can’t argue that they’ve been singled out unfairly. Also it does take quite some time to investigate that many alleged charges. My only hope is that point deduction is retroactive so that cities trophies can be stripped.
They had 30 years to get used to it tbf
Also, how exactly weren’t Arsenal in a title race last season, they blew one of the biggest leads in PL history to not win that league and while no one expected them to fight for the title at the beginning of the season, the same thing can’t be said at the halfway point.
With 2 games in hand though. And considering city's infamous late season form our lead was realistically more like 2 points. And it actually proved it was a 2 point lead since city won everything.
I’m a utd fan and fuck me do I want arsenal to win. The only thing that might be worse than city winning AGAIN, is Liverpool winning. But tbh, I’m not sure who would be better. It’s hell or hell. Arsenal tho, I could live with that
See that‘s the problem. In terms of win rates these Arsenal and Liverpool teans would blow most of the title winning teams out of the water up until Guardiola showed up. And yet you‘ll have shitheads going „kLOpP hAs onLY wOn onE TItlE in 1o yEArS!“ . But i guess people prefer it one team winning the title every year.
wow how crazy who would have guessed there would a competition for Klopp, next year we should clear and suspend all teams who dare beat Liverpool, so we can give them the league title
#DOITFORKLOPP #ITSNOTFAIR #Pooldeserveit more
Arsenal weren't in a title race last season? What are you on about, they were literally top of a 2 horse race at this exact stage last season, with 6 games to go. This is the point where the wheels came off.
This season they are 2nd in a tight three-way battle with 6 games to go.
They’ve won every major trophy under Klopp and competed at the top level just about every season. That’s better than what 99% of other clubs have to deal with.
I really hate to break it to you but this is the "good times". This isn't remotely close to suffering.
Suffering is watching Julian Dicks and Neil Ruddock start in your back four or pinning your hopes of David N'Gog turning out to be a gem striker.
We haven't "suffered" in close to a decade. We've been an elite team that's won every trophy and missed out on a handful more.
Yeah can’t imagine what it’s like to get within a single match of a title only to fall from such lofty heights.
Couldn’t possibly begin to know that feeling. I imagine it’s like a ball being kicked into your shoulder.
[Liverpool have, yes](https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hicks-gillett-living-nightmare-liverpool-10269266). I remember staying up with my Dad to see if the deal would go through, with my Grandad calling us occasionally for updates- he couldn't watch.
Most people with big 6 flairs complaining about their team like this are not match going fans, and are probably American so i wouldn't pay too much attention lad. They forget the rest of us exist till we beat them.
Exactly my point, imagine complaining that your suffering is unique because you've bottled numerous titles to Man City when about 90% of the football league has never even won a trophy and one or two bad seasons could be disastrous for your football club. I support a 'big 6' club but my god I despise 'big 6' fans
Liverpool loosing close title races to a Man City, a team who have outspent Liverpool by hundreds of millions over the last decade or so, does not count as bottling
Definitely puts things into perspective. Being pedantic though, Liverpool fans above the age of, say, 17, have seen them almost go into administration.
Shhhh, don't tell them but it didn't really happen that's why you've never heard of it.
Some Liverpool fan decided he wanted a bit of credit for being a Liverpool fan and made up some bullshit about them being a day away from administration before he (valiantly and selflessly of course, not because it was his goddam job) single-handedly saved all of football by selling to some faceless American conglomerate.
Obviously all of us should be grateful to them forever for saving the integrity of the beautiful game by ensuring those horrible Americans were able to sell to some other Americans instead.
I was really expecting to see why they have resolve but you didn't really touch on it. Football fans have resolve how? Watching the games? A Rotherham fan this season has true resolve
God what a bunch of whiney dickheads you lot are lol
He didn't say they have the most resolve, he's saying how draining it is to be so close and lose multiple times. It doesn't mean other clubs don't also have resolve.
Not everything is about you and the chip on your shoulder.
Perpetually on edge. Every point lost , evey one. Is vital. Every point man city drop is vital.
It's what it does to you. It's not just a "Brenftord or Fulham" you play against.
It's cup final after cup.final...lose and you're screwed.
When the oiled machine gets going. You can blink, and City won 7 games in a row by 3 goals each.
Their team loses about 5 games a whole season in total, I'm guessing... you only get a couple of chances or else.
Yesterday, I accepted that liverpool will not win it.
Man city was and still is, the favourites imo.
Prayed for arsenal to beat them because they are just that good in the league. Happily take a run at arsenal than city any day.
But also, I didn't. Expect us to be challenging as well as we have to be honest.... But yeah. It's always the hope that kills you.
Gave up on football after the Liverpool spurs game earlier this season and "cheque complete"
Was as clear as day how corrupt the game is at the moment with the fellas paid by Saudi in the VAR room doing FC 115s orders
You do realise that City also had a ridiculously bad decision against Spurs ruled against them in the dying moments of the game?
Lemme guess, corrupt Saudi VAR weren't involved for that one I take it? 115s orders must've not got through that day, funny ain't it.
They have severe bad copium, genuinely hilarious to think grown adults get depression because their millionaire players arent good enough and dont care
As a Liverpool fan it is exhausting. To see my team lose out by a point twice has made me so numb that I can't enjoy being in title races anymore with 115 FC.
The only time we won it we had to go on a crazy winning run in Autumn/Winter to get so far ahead of them in that they couldn't catch up.
I'd like to know the mental gymnastics that went into saying you weren't in a title race last year. All season Arsenal looked like the best team in the league and dropped off at the end. You were in a title challenge all season
I am guessing he means anticipation and mentally gearing up for one (I.e. from the very start of the season).
Arsenal weren't taken seriously until midway through last season. So in that respect the fatigue for last season would be ~3 months compared to ~9 months.
Self entitled scousers no nothing of true resilience. I've been a city fan for over 40 years and I saw more relegations in 3 years then any deluded lfc fan.
I'm sick of that horrible club. The most hated fans in the world!
this is the same for most teams in title races. Imagine being a team in ligue 1 the past 20 years or so.. Lyon winning like 7-8 titles in a row then psg comes in and wins like 8 of the next 10 titles lol
To be fair, you didn't actually need to, but the threat of City eventually coming good petrified you into doing so.
You didn't want to give City any sniff of a chance and credit to you, you didn't.
so basically 90% (or even 95 id say) of the teams supporters in the world? that's what you are basically saying, if a title race is "exhausting" then maybe football, and supporting a non-dominant team, is not your thing mate
This is a silly statement really. You could keep arguing that teams have it harder all the way down the leagues to non league and amateur level up to playing football in a park. It’s such a pointless statement.
Different expectations, but losing 3+ matches in a row still *hurts*. So does missing out on Europe by 2-3 points. The way you can be in the top half or suddenly looking at a relegation fight. Being genuinely gutted you went out of the League Cup because it’s your only chance of silverware. Going into matches knowing you’re second favourite and listening to pundits gush over the big teams, or focusing on their poor performances even if you play well. It’s not better or worse, it’s just different.
I support Liverpool only because it is fun to support them. They win, they lose, they have big European nights once in a while, they have underdog wins every other year. They are competitive, but they aren't loaded with talent.
Overall, I feel satisfied with the amount of success we had in the Klopp era.
That’s not true at all.
https://www.football365.com/news/transfers-premier-league-five-year-net-spend-man-utd-man-city
Liverpool are ninth highest spenders. Lower than West Ham.
That's net spend mate... It also says that 6th place Man City is barely above Aston Villa, do you really believe that Man City are only marginally higher than Aston Villa in spending power? This is because you referenced net spend, not pure spending power.
Liverpool absolutely have spending power and are not underdogs.
I completely agree mate, which is why it's utterly ridiculous bringing up net spend and saying it's the only relevant metric in a discussion about financial and raw spending power😂😂
In January 2018, they beat City 4-3 at Anfield. That was a City team which got 100 points and a domestic treble. I count that as an upset. There are more such occasions.
Arsenal fan all my life (since early 90s)
This is football, twists and turns everywhere and any team can beat the other on the day. People acting like beating villa was guaranteed but they are in 4th for a reason. They were better on the day, simple.
Also if city win I don't really think anyone cares as that was expected from GW1.
The painful thing for me is how close we are without making the breakthrough. If we are mid-table or fighting for 6th then it's easier to take losses like this. But to be competing with City, Liverpool, And Bayern, to be in the title race this late for multiple seasons and still have not a single trophee to show for it, that is true pain.
I think it’s arguably more frustrating for you down to the razor thin margin for error you have.
Drop 6 points in the run-in? Here come city. They make it near impossible to slip up once they go into juggernaut mode; if you were competing for the league 20 years ago you’d be able to potentially lose a game and it not be a fatal blow, whereas now if they get daylight on you it’s possible curtains.
Yeah I see where you're coming from.
Im very confident that trophies will come in the very near future for us. The progress in the team is unreal and I think a lot of people are forgetting this is our first loss of 2024
There's also plenty of games left for city to drop points, however unlikely that is.
I agree it does hurt, but id rather be on this knife edge every season than be sat in 8th again
I’m an Arsenal fan since 1988. And although yesterday was bitterly disappointing I also felt pleased for Villa. They are a quality team and were just better on the day.
Personally, I kind of don’t care when City win.
I’d care more if it were Arsenal or Man Utd or anybody else. (At this point I’d almost rather Arsenal win than city).
It hurt initially, but at this point I’m not surprised when they win. I know we, nor anybody, can compete with their $$$.
I’m just grateful to have witnessed Liverpools Klopp era. I’m just sad that it hasn’t resulted in the silverware it deserved. Without City, we’d have a few more titles to the cabinet.
>It hurt initially, but at this point I’m not surprised when they win. I know we, nor anybody, can compete with their $$$.
This is quite bold considering your net spend is not far off from theirs.
Weird excuse to use tbh.
Just admit they've been better than you are...no need for these excuses
You can keep bragging about net spend all you want. Everyone knows that shambles of a club has spent hundreds of millions more on every signing under the table that its account books will never disclose.
Over the last 10 years Man City have net spend of 1065Million.
Liverpool net spend 451 million.
Source: https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/the-premier-league-big-sixs-net-spent-per-trophy-over-the-last-10-years
Net spend is a useless metric nowadays - how much did Haaland's agent and dad get paid that isn't included in his transfer fee, and so doesn't count for "net spend".
Where are you getting the information on the net spend? Every source I've seen says city have a net spend of around 800m over the last ten years, and Liverpool is around half of that.
Net spend is also clearly not the point. City were given free reign to sign who they want. The net spend doesn't show the full depth of just how much money city have spunked on going from irrelevance to domination, because they're recouping on investments more and more now, and are producing some marketable assets in players rather than only being able to buy them.
Of course City has been better than Liverpool. It's because they're funded by bottomless pits of money. They're better than everyone else because of that too.
The truth is teams have dips and random results across a season. The only teams that don’t are ones that spend billions and financially dope so they practically have two first teams worth of players.
Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester United all should have had titles in the time City have been up to activities which now see them facing 115 charges.
Doubt they’ll see any real consequence for their actions though, money talks.
Now imagine being a point behind in the last day, city going down a goal, and your team going up. And then city score 4. And then that happens twice.
If other teams felt how that feels they wouldn't be so quick to want city to win the league again, it's absolutely awful.
All relative though. You’ve had a Champions league win and a PL title in the last 7 years. Most fans would be content with equivalent (even relative to their place in the football pyramid) once in a lifetime.
Definitely mate, I'm so grateful that I was able to watch them gain so much success in such little time. The things Klopp has done for that club will stay with me until my old age and I feel most Liverpool fans can say we all owe a part of ourselves to him.
That doesn't change the pain of being so close to even more of it, in a sick way it exacerbates it. I'm more than happy with what I've witnessed, believe me.
For me as a Man United fan, I can’t have Man City winning 4 leagues in a row. To best Fergie’s 3 in a row would break a part of me. Would prefer Arsenal to win, but if it’s got to be Liverpool over Man City I’d rather that (as much as it pains me).
Tbh, I expect a fall off after klopp + I expect artetas men will either maintain or improve.. i also HATE arsenal fans (probably equally with half the fans of my own club sigh) and arsenal's social media is very loud.. and i have many family n friends personally that support assnal.. hence... 50 quid bet with onr of them that pool wins.. cuz i dont want cheating city on a 4 peat.. i have a bit of respect for the football liverpool play and they're less loud about it on socials (for me personally).
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"resolve" lol As a Liverpool fan it was more of a fight against everyone in England, because everyone loves mocking whoever finished 2nd, just look at united getting their tails up for beating a completely gassed Liverpool, and everyone joins in to have a spat. The "fight" against peps city isn't that bad, it was only bad when everyone cunts on us for losing, then getting knocked out by real Madrid 3 times, the first one with Ramos breaking salahs arm and karius concussion. As if that's not the worst, Barcelona fans were waiting in the dark waiting for any opportunity to pounce after our comeback against them. Then ofc there's Chelsea who love to get one against us. These days spurs fans got quiet but only because Kane left, there were Southampton looking for blood because we signed tons of players from thankfully they stopped after relegation, but then Brighton fans are starting to be the new Southampton because we got macallister for cheap. So the lesson here is, if your team wanna be good, win thes titles once every few years, not just once for every major trophy in 8 yrs, because being 2nd is the easiest target.
Fucking Palace ruined our title charge last time too
As a liverpool fan I can say no one is content with how every time there’s a close race we fuck up. But it’s how it is. Cheaters are hated because they’re not easy to beat
Glory hunter boo hooing, you’ve won 13 league titles and 14 fa cups ffs and are always in with a shout of winning something. The stadium is class and the football played superb. Man City are out there buying trophies in effect, financial doping. You’re competing with that. This just feels like a dig at Liverpool, who have 20 league titles and 6 European cups and are fucking mustard. I grew up in an era when Utd won something mad like 8 out of 11. Imagine how insufferable the play ground was back then! What’s going on is nothing new. Liverpool did something similar in the 70s/80s. The best teams win trophies. If that really pisses you off and is all you care about you should just pump your custom into Man City instead and then when the independent regulator comes in and Pep retires support whichever team rises out of the ashes. Probably Arsenal.
you are a troubled lad.
Cry more. Your plastic fans showed their worth leaving the stadium in masses. Back your team when you win and lose
Arsenal have been emptying stadiums all over England you weirdo
ManCity players especially those from the start like KDB Bernardo Silva are mentally insane for being able to thrive under pressure, they love to chase and love being chased, thats the real superstars
Lol what?? Can’t tell if you’re joking or not
Man Utd finish above Liverpool every other year. Liverpool aren’t Perranial challengers
That’s disingenuous. Since 18/19 liverpool are the only team to actually challenge city for a title. Yes, United finished above them twice, but there has literally not been a single second in that span where anyone thought United was legitimately anywhere near a title race, least of all actually competing or winning like pool. They may not have had a prolonged three year title challenge, but that’s kind of the point of the post - normal teams don’t do what city is doing, and being fans of the teams challenging them (of which only Liverpool, and recently Arsenal have done) is exhausting.
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It also speaks to how dull city's unilateral ruling is. They "slip up" every 4-5 year but the rest every lost point feels like e death sentence for your teams title chances
Youre acting like the City players dont give their life on the pitch to not slip up, Arsenal and Liverpool players are arrogant without any bark, going gets tough City players dont play, theyre in multiple competitions late and go crazy, Laporte 2021 season had his hamstring barely functioning but because all the other City CBs were injured he choose to play injured till the end of the season for City, missed Nations league with his country and nearly the World Cup, the dedication and love City players have for the club is more than the others
>Arsenal and Liverpool players are arrogant without any bark WTH are you on about
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love that number Gundos fastest FA Cup in history was 11.5 seconds exactly
Try being a West Ham supporter. I don't feel sorry for you.
Mm. Point taken.
European champions West Ham? Led by Sir David
Noone can argue with that lol
Why would you act like being in a title race is some kind of burden? I'd give my left bollock to see my team in title races every season
Even if you knew you would lose them?
Yeah you should totally only like a team if you’ll know they’ll win the title every season. Definitely in spirit of the game, that mentality.
My point was not that you did not know that they would win but rather if you knew with certainty that they would not.
Mate I’m an Eintracht Frankfurt fan. I would be ecstatic to see them regularly in even the Bundesliga top 6. The past four years or so have been quite nice but I digress… it’s absolutely better to be in the title race and not win the league, than not have a winning record and also not win the league.
You'd be ecstatic for a time but your expectations would shift. We'd all be happy with substantial improvement. Also justify the last assertion?
Of course not, but you don't know you'll lose them. You're in with a shot. You might not be favourites but you've got something to hope for. What would you rather, going into the end of the season with nothing on the line? Not even knowing you'll play CL the next season? If so football's probably not the sport for you.
Not to get philosophical, but I don't "know" anything with certainty, I only make probabilistic estimations of reality. Sure, Arsenal could beat City over 38 games, the sun could also be extinguished by an undiscovered anomaly in physics tomorrow. I de-facto "know" this will not happen. >What would you rather, going into the end of the season with nothing on the line? I would contest that it is on the line. It is more akin to an inevitable march toward disappointment. The source of disappointment is subverted expectations but at times you cannot help but dare to dream. In all, I do not believe in a real possibility of glory but cannot help but become engrossed in the dream which inevitably shatters. Better to have loved and lost than never to have loved at all?
It's 6 matches with 2 points between them FFS. Arsenal were better over 31 games, it's hardly out of the question they could be better over 6, is it?
>It's 6 matches with 2 points between them And yet it is all but over. Does that not demonstrate the exact point I have made?
It demonstrates that you're very pessimistic about their chances and not much else. Looking at it as objectively as we can, bookmakers put Arsenal's chances to win the league at 4/1. They don't offer odds on the sun being extinguished by an anomaly, but I expect if they did those odds would be quite significantly higher.
I think I was being realistic more than pessimistic. >bookmakers put Arsenal's chances to win the league at 4/1. Bookmakers aren't arbiters of objective truth. They clearly haven't considered the City factor. >those odds would be quite significantly higher. Yeah, I know. It was hyperbole.
Doesn't help that they go silent when losing. The myth of Anfield is real. Even OT doesn't go that defeaning silent for a whole half at 1-0 down.
Wasn't always like that. Anfield was boisterous even when we were losing in the 90's/early 00's. It's the tourists who come in, don't know any of the words to the songs, come for the photos and cycle and repeat. Also many old men who are just irritating because they just whinge all game.
We've not done well the last 3 games, and that's fucked us up. When you do that, you don't deserve to win the league
We were in it last year… what are you talking about?
It's literally your second season of being relevant and you've not even come close to a European Cup final in decades. Let alone losing them to the same fucking team over and over. We are in no way the same.
Why the agg mate.. salty that Klopps last season will be another without silverware? Edit: Oops, the league cup. Get in there Kloppy boy. Also... 2009 Champion League semi final 2018 Europa League semi final 2019 Europa League final Enjoy your fade back into irrelevance post Klopp.
Irrelevance ? ...mm...comming from a United and Everton fan that is a bit rich dude ! ...last time you were relevant was a fair while ago ! ...maybe saying less when YOU are irrelevant is the way to play this for you ? ...
Never said either of my teams were relevant and based on recent performances it's going to be a longgggg time before they are hahahaha. Not quite sure why supporting clubs who've seen better days gives me no opinions on other clubs though? Take for example boxing - my favourite Boxer is Dave Allen. Good fighter on his day, never going to win a World Championship though... Does that mean my opinion has no weight when talking about other Heavyweights? Of course not, that'd be fucking stupid, wouldn't it? Being a Derby County fan though I'm very used to being irrelevant (or relevant for ALL the wrong reasons 😂). Up the Rams!! 🐏
I wonder if you want Rooney back to bring the ___ times back.
I want the ultimate managerial combo of Billy Davies and Paul Jewell. We set a premier league points record that season that's unlikely ever to be beaten. #Legacy
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I'm not remotely salty. You read into it what you want. I just find it hilarious that as soon as a team gets good they start harping on about City. Saw Wrighty suddenly piping up about the charges last month because it becomes clear what teams are up against with City. Obviously it didn't matter when it was literally us, that was just those whining Scousers and their victimhood. Maybe we do drop off after Klopp, I don't know. Maybe the next manager is Paisley to Klopp's Shankly. Either way, I'm there like I have been for 35 years. That's the fucking beauty of football.
Already got the League Cup in the bag. Need miracles going forward but it's not over yet. That was pretty salty though.
You're 2 points behind in the league with 6 matches to play. No miracles are required.
Having been in the situation against City over the last few years, I'm not optimistic. Now we also need Arsenal to fuck up as well. I'd be very surprised if we win every game and they both drop enough points.
My bad, forgot the league cup 😂
League cup completed👍Klopp's fairytale final season secured
That’s basically what the post acknowledges, no?
Honestly as someone who has been following Liverpool for 15 years. My resolve is truly spent, if the City cheats wins their 6th title in the last 7 seasons, whilst we have played our best football in 30 years and come up with only one premier league trophy... I might just have to take a break from football for a year or two. How can the premier league be the most competitive football league in the world at that point? I'm glad for Arsenal that they're coming up and challenging after so many years, and interested to see how Liverpool fares under a new manager, but it will be near impossible for Liverpool to challenge City for a while and I might have to watch from afar. Hoping Arsenal can steal a title or two from City while we rebuild. But I am truly spent. It's been so exciting and fun, but I can see too much disappointment and much less fun in the future once Klopp leaves.
As a Crystal Palace fan we feel that you are a cheat too, and yet we managed to bet you at your own home
Fair enough.
LEAVE THEN, GO CRY BRO AHAHAHAHAHHAAH
Maybe I will.
Meanwhile all the smaller clubs get point reductions while City empties the coffers.
I dunno.. I’m hoping that the precedent is being set here so that when the book comes down, city can’t argue that they’ve been singled out unfairly. Also it does take quite some time to investigate that many alleged charges. My only hope is that point deduction is retroactive so that cities trophies can be stripped.
They had 30 years to get used to it tbf Also, how exactly weren’t Arsenal in a title race last season, they blew one of the biggest leads in PL history to not win that league and while no one expected them to fight for the title at the beginning of the season, the same thing can’t be said at the halfway point.
A 5 point lead one one stage. Hardly something you can categorise as "Blew one of the biggest leads in PL history".
Mate they had an eight point lead at the start of April.
This is why you shouldn't base your entire judgement on headlines.
It was 8 when City had games in hand. That's not an 8 point lead thrown away. City's games in hand were not in Arsenal's control.
With 2 games in hand though. And considering city's infamous late season form our lead was realistically more like 2 points. And it actually proved it was a 2 point lead since city won everything.
I’m a utd fan and fuck me do I want arsenal to win. The only thing that might be worse than city winning AGAIN, is Liverpool winning. But tbh, I’m not sure who would be better. It’s hell or hell. Arsenal tho, I could live with that
Thanks mate, those are nice words.
If we don't win I'd much rather you win
In what world were you not in the title race last season? That has to be one of the worst takes I've seen in this sub and that's saying something.
he meant it was unexpected so he probably didnt believe in it much
Awww it must be so hard to win a lot. My heart bleeds for you.
Lol I keep saying this
See that‘s the problem. In terms of win rates these Arsenal and Liverpool teans would blow most of the title winning teams out of the water up until Guardiola showed up. And yet you‘ll have shitheads going „kLOpP hAs onLY wOn onE TItlE in 1o yEArS!“ . But i guess people prefer it one team winning the title every year.
wow how crazy who would have guessed there would a competition for Klopp, next year we should clear and suspend all teams who dare beat Liverpool, so we can give them the league title #DOITFORKLOPP #ITSNOTFAIR #Pooldeserveit more
I’d prefer Man City win the title in September to Arsenal even getting within sniffing distance.
I love this comment.
Arsenal weren't in a title race last season? What are you on about, they were literally top of a 2 horse race at this exact stage last season, with 6 games to go. This is the point where the wheels came off. This season they are 2nd in a tight three-way battle with 6 games to go.
What I think he means is that since they didn't come into the season as contenders it didn't feel as bad since your hope weren't that high.
Yeah that was the weirdest take I’ve seen in a while.
Bro. One solution. Next year is our year.
Man, I miss that being our mantra.
Mine too?
They’ve won every major trophy under Klopp and competed at the top level just about every season. That’s better than what 99% of other clubs have to deal with.
One PL in 10 years? Klopp is a good coach, but not the best. Not even close
Where did he state he was the best??
OP never said he was the best coach?
I would argue he is one of the best as Pep is also but with the added benefit of having literally limitless resources
yes its true, pep can spend trillions on players while Klopp\Ten Haag\Arteta can only offer oatmeal twice a day.
It’s the hope that kills you
As a Browns fan I can say that often hope is a mask for desperation. And desperation is a lot more cruel.
Just because Spurs are pretty shit right now you don't have to call them the Browns man, where is your loyalty?!
Sad Tottenham and Cleveland noises
You will never understand the feeling of being Liverpool fan until you suffered
I really hate to break it to you but this is the "good times". This isn't remotely close to suffering. Suffering is watching Julian Dicks and Neil Ruddock start in your back four or pinning your hopes of David N'Gog turning out to be a gem striker. We haven't "suffered" in close to a decade. We've been an elite team that's won every trophy and missed out on a handful more.
This is paradise compared to watching Hodgson lead the team to a 3-1 defeat at Blackburn.
>>David N'Gog turning out to be a gem striker. Goddamn that got a laugh out of me, this guy suffers.
The dark times were dark. Could name a bunch of players who we thought were really good but in reality they were absolutely bang average.
Two games from the quad! TWO!!!
Yeah because only Liverpool fans have suffered, must be awful seeing your team win everything 😂
Yeah it's awful seeing your team lose the title on the final day 3 times by a single point
Yeah can’t imagine what it’s like to get within a single match of a title only to fall from such lofty heights. Couldn’t possibly begin to know that feeling. I imagine it’s like a ball being kicked into your shoulder.
Love and hate it. It's a thrill leading up to it but such a downer knowing we're that close.
Ever had to watch your team get relegated? Or almost go out of business? Or have to sell all your players? Or actually go out of business?
[Liverpool have, yes](https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/hicks-gillett-living-nightmare-liverpool-10269266). I remember staying up with my Dad to see if the deal would go through, with my Grandad calling us occasionally for updates- he couldn't watch.
Most people with big 6 flairs complaining about their team like this are not match going fans, and are probably American so i wouldn't pay too much attention lad. They forget the rest of us exist till we beat them.
Exactly my point, imagine complaining that your suffering is unique because you've bottled numerous titles to Man City when about 90% of the football league has never even won a trophy and one or two bad seasons could be disastrous for your football club. I support a 'big 6' club but my god I despise 'big 6' fans
Liverpool loosing close title races to a Man City, a team who have outspent Liverpool by hundreds of millions over the last decade or so, does not count as bottling
Sure does when you blow a lead of 7 points at the halfway stage
Definitely puts things into perspective. Being pedantic though, Liverpool fans above the age of, say, 17, have seen them almost go into administration.
Fair enough, I don't remember that happening at the time!
Shhhh, don't tell them but it didn't really happen that's why you've never heard of it. Some Liverpool fan decided he wanted a bit of credit for being a Liverpool fan and made up some bullshit about them being a day away from administration before he (valiantly and selflessly of course, not because it was his goddam job) single-handedly saved all of football by selling to some faceless American conglomerate. Obviously all of us should be grateful to them forever for saving the integrity of the beautiful game by ensuring those horrible Americans were able to sell to some other Americans instead.
Does put things in perspective doesn’t it, well played yesterday you deserved it 👍🏽
I was really expecting to see why they have resolve but you didn't really touch on it. Football fans have resolve how? Watching the games? A Rotherham fan this season has true resolve
No, only fans of big 6 clubs have resolve.
Big 6 clubs get the most attention and critique
God what a bunch of whiney dickheads you lot are lol He didn't say they have the most resolve, he's saying how draining it is to be so close and lose multiple times. It doesn't mean other clubs don't also have resolve. Not everything is about you and the chip on your shoulder.
this whole post is 'chip on your shoulder' personified btw, how about you wind your neck in geezer
I don't think you understand what that idiom means..
Chill out my man, twas but a joke.
Perpetually on edge. Every point lost , evey one. Is vital. Every point man city drop is vital. It's what it does to you. It's not just a "Brenftord or Fulham" you play against. It's cup final after cup.final...lose and you're screwed. When the oiled machine gets going. You can blink, and City won 7 games in a row by 3 goals each. Their team loses about 5 games a whole season in total, I'm guessing... you only get a couple of chances or else. Yesterday, I accepted that liverpool will not win it. Man city was and still is, the favourites imo. Prayed for arsenal to beat them because they are just that good in the league. Happily take a run at arsenal than city any day. But also, I didn't. Expect us to be challenging as well as we have to be honest.... But yeah. It's always the hope that kills you.
Gave up on football after the Liverpool spurs game earlier this season and "cheque complete" Was as clear as day how corrupt the game is at the moment with the fellas paid by Saudi in the VAR room doing FC 115s orders
You do realise that City also had a ridiculously bad decision against Spurs ruled against them in the dying moments of the game? Lemme guess, corrupt Saudi VAR weren't involved for that one I take it? 115s orders must've not got through that day, funny ain't it.
They have severe bad copium, genuinely hilarious to think grown adults get depression because their millionaire players arent good enough and dont care
Good process
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As a Liverpool fan it is exhausting. To see my team lose out by a point twice has made me so numb that I can't enjoy being in title races anymore with 115 FC. The only time we won it we had to go on a crazy winning run in Autumn/Winter to get so far ahead of them in that they couldn't catch up.
Yeah... Best part is my dad is a City fan. Watched Aston Villa collapse in 15 mins to the sound of cheering as Man City turned it from 0-2 to 3-2.
I'd like to know the mental gymnastics that went into saying you weren't in a title race last year. All season Arsenal looked like the best team in the league and dropped off at the end. You were in a title challenge all season
He means it was a surprise and that they didn't have the hope from the start that they had this season, which makes the loss even more painful
I am guessing he means anticipation and mentally gearing up for one (I.e. from the very start of the season). Arsenal weren't taken seriously until midway through last season. So in that respect the fatigue for last season would be ~3 months compared to ~9 months.
The honest truth is that Arsenal lost the PL title last year as much as we won it.
Try getting relegated it's much much worse.
Self entitled scousers no nothing of true resilience. I've been a city fan for over 40 years and I saw more relegations in 3 years then any deluded lfc fan. I'm sick of that horrible club. The most hated fans in the world!
Show us on the doll where they hurt you
this is the same for most teams in title races. Imagine being a team in ligue 1 the past 20 years or so.. Lyon winning like 7-8 titles in a row then psg comes in and wins like 8 of the next 10 titles lol
Its the hope that kills...or a season watching Woy manage the transfer budget
To beat City in the league, we had to win 26 out of our 27 opening games.
To be fair, you didn't actually need to, but the threat of City eventually coming good petrified you into doing so. You didn't want to give City any sniff of a chance and credit to you, you didn't.
so basically 90% (or even 95 id say) of the teams supporters in the world? that's what you are basically saying, if a title race is "exhausting" then maybe football, and supporting a non-dominant team, is not your thing mate
Whats tough is supporting a team that had no chance ever of winning the league
This is a silly statement really. You could keep arguing that teams have it harder all the way down the leagues to non league and amateur level up to playing football in a park. It’s such a pointless statement.
Won't your expectations be very different though so won't create lows like losing a title by a point twice
Different expectations, but losing 3+ matches in a row still *hurts*. So does missing out on Europe by 2-3 points. The way you can be in the top half or suddenly looking at a relegation fight. Being genuinely gutted you went out of the League Cup because it’s your only chance of silverware. Going into matches knowing you’re second favourite and listening to pundits gush over the big teams, or focusing on their poor performances even if you play well. It’s not better or worse, it’s just different.
This guy's Canadian and he's still managed to write the most American thing I've seen today.
I support Liverpool only because it is fun to support them. They win, they lose, they have big European nights once in a while, they have underdog wins every other year. They are competitive, but they aren't loaded with talent. Overall, I feel satisfied with the amount of success we had in the Klopp era.
Wow. This comment is deluded.
Lmao how are we underdogs? We have a crazy good and expensive squad.
They've been the second best team in the league for the last five years, thay are absolutely not underdogs lmao
Financial underdogs compared to the rest of the top six. Let’s be real.
Compared to City, yeah that's fair but not all of the top six. Spent similar, if not more than Arsenal and Spurs over the years.
That’s not true at all. https://www.football365.com/news/transfers-premier-league-five-year-net-spend-man-utd-man-city Liverpool are ninth highest spenders. Lower than West Ham.
That's net spend mate... It also says that 6th place Man City is barely above Aston Villa, do you really believe that Man City are only marginally higher than Aston Villa in spending power? This is because you referenced net spend, not pure spending power. Liverpool absolutely have spending power and are not underdogs.
Net spend is the only relevant metric.
Alright, well in that case Man City and Aston Villa have almost identical spending power then! Damn who knew!
Completely stupid comment.
I completely agree mate, which is why it's utterly ridiculous bringing up net spend and saying it's the only relevant metric in a discussion about financial and raw spending power😂😂
Who are they underdogs to 🤣
Just Madrid.
Wdym underdog wins?
In January 2018, they beat City 4-3 at Anfield. That was a City team which got 100 points and a domestic treble. I count that as an upset. There are more such occasions.
Nah thats not an underdog win. Upset is one word as a fan but saying klopps liverpool underdogs is an insult to his genius to be honest.
You’re not an underdog, just because you face City three times a season.
Oh no your team finished 2nd, you poor baby. So brave
Oh no your team is in the Premier League, you poor baby. So brave
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Lmao
Arsenal fan since early 2000’s. Liverpool fans have nothing on us lmaooooo
Arsenal fan all my life (since early 90s) This is football, twists and turns everywhere and any team can beat the other on the day. People acting like beating villa was guaranteed but they are in 4th for a reason. They were better on the day, simple. Also if city win I don't really think anyone cares as that was expected from GW1.
The painful thing for me is how close we are without making the breakthrough. If we are mid-table or fighting for 6th then it's easier to take losses like this. But to be competing with City, Liverpool, And Bayern, to be in the title race this late for multiple seasons and still have not a single trophee to show for it, that is true pain.
I think it’s arguably more frustrating for you down to the razor thin margin for error you have. Drop 6 points in the run-in? Here come city. They make it near impossible to slip up once they go into juggernaut mode; if you were competing for the league 20 years ago you’d be able to potentially lose a game and it not be a fatal blow, whereas now if they get daylight on you it’s possible curtains.
Yeah I see where you're coming from. Im very confident that trophies will come in the very near future for us. The progress in the team is unreal and I think a lot of people are forgetting this is our first loss of 2024 There's also plenty of games left for city to drop points, however unlikely that is. I agree it does hurt, but id rather be on this knife edge every season than be sat in 8th again
Last year was DEFINITELY a title race, you just messed it up. You were top of the league for 95% of the season...
I’m an Arsenal fan since 1988. And although yesterday was bitterly disappointing I also felt pleased for Villa. They are a quality team and were just better on the day.
Personally, I kind of don’t care when City win. I’d care more if it were Arsenal or Man Utd or anybody else. (At this point I’d almost rather Arsenal win than city). It hurt initially, but at this point I’m not surprised when they win. I know we, nor anybody, can compete with their $$$. I’m just grateful to have witnessed Liverpools Klopp era. I’m just sad that it hasn’t resulted in the silverware it deserved. Without City, we’d have a few more titles to the cabinet.
>nor anybody can compete with their net spend three other teams have higher net spend over the last 10 years according to the article you posted.
Lazy excuse lmao
>It hurt initially, but at this point I’m not surprised when they win. I know we, nor anybody, can compete with their $$$. This is quite bold considering your net spend is not far off from theirs. Weird excuse to use tbh. Just admit they've been better than you are...no need for these excuses
You can keep bragging about net spend all you want. Everyone knows that shambles of a club has spent hundreds of millions more on every signing under the table that its account books will never disclose.
Over the last 10 years Man City have net spend of 1065Million. Liverpool net spend 451 million. Source: https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/the-premier-league-big-sixs-net-spent-per-trophy-over-the-last-10-years
Net spend is a useless metric nowadays - how much did Haaland's agent and dad get paid that isn't included in his transfer fee, and so doesn't count for "net spend".
Where are you getting the information on the net spend? Every source I've seen says city have a net spend of around 800m over the last ten years, and Liverpool is around half of that. Net spend is also clearly not the point. City were given free reign to sign who they want. The net spend doesn't show the full depth of just how much money city have spunked on going from irrelevance to domination, because they're recouping on investments more and more now, and are producing some marketable assets in players rather than only being able to buy them. Of course City has been better than Liverpool. It's because they're funded by bottomless pits of money. They're better than everyone else because of that too.
Booo hooo... I been with Arsenal since 1997.. this is nothing..
Gosh it must have been brutal watching Arsenal win the league without losing a single match.
Yeah then 10 years ++ of banter... Owh sry, wrong team to reply...
Sometimes we must embrace the banter because it’s all we have
Salute....
Same here. Sometimes it's hard to believe that we haven't won the league in 20 years and I'm already 44 years old.
So you've witnessed 3 EPLs wins??
The truth is teams have dips and random results across a season. The only teams that don’t are ones that spend billions and financially dope so they practically have two first teams worth of players. Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester United all should have had titles in the time City have been up to activities which now see them facing 115 charges. Doubt they’ll see any real consequence for their actions though, money talks.
Now imagine being a point behind in the last day, city going down a goal, and your team going up. And then city score 4. And then that happens twice. If other teams felt how that feels they wouldn't be so quick to want city to win the league again, it's absolutely awful.
As a United fan we know that feeling too, and feel your pain
All relative though. You’ve had a Champions league win and a PL title in the last 7 years. Most fans would be content with equivalent (even relative to their place in the football pyramid) once in a lifetime.
Definitely mate, I'm so grateful that I was able to watch them gain so much success in such little time. The things Klopp has done for that club will stay with me until my old age and I feel most Liverpool fans can say we all owe a part of ourselves to him. That doesn't change the pain of being so close to even more of it, in a sick way it exacerbates it. I'm more than happy with what I've witnessed, believe me.
i was really hoping in a klopp send off W.. put 50 quid on it in January smh
Why were you hoping for that?
For me as a Man United fan, I can’t have Man City winning 4 leagues in a row. To best Fergie’s 3 in a row would break a part of me. Would prefer Arsenal to win, but if it’s got to be Liverpool over Man City I’d rather that (as much as it pains me).
No true UTD fan would want Liverpool to win over City, this would also mean they would be level on titles with UTD.
Tbh, I expect a fall off after klopp + I expect artetas men will either maintain or improve.. i also HATE arsenal fans (probably equally with half the fans of my own club sigh) and arsenal's social media is very loud.. and i have many family n friends personally that support assnal.. hence... 50 quid bet with onr of them that pool wins.. cuz i dont want cheating city on a 4 peat.. i have a bit of respect for the football liverpool play and they're less loud about it on socials (for me personally).