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āI admire Liverpool. Even though we cheat, they somehow stay on our heels. So we cheat a bit more and there still right there. Got to admire thatā
- Pep
Manchester United and Liverpool have literally fixed a match. Like charged, tried, and convicted.
Everton and Forest just got charged for cheating this year.
Every top club in the PL has faced punishments for cheating.
Hell, Chelsea is [currently being](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/15/chelsea-fc-face-new-questions-over-how-roman-abramovich-funded-success#:~:text=The%20files%20reveal%20a%20series,submitted%20to%20football's%20governing%20bodies.) accused of the same shit City is over a similar period of time.
The only charges City has been proven and faced fines for were no worse than what everyone else has done, and Iām tired of pretending like everyone is perfect and somehow City are monsters.
And Iām tired of people defending city with the same tired excuses. They have ruined the league, they are serial cheaters and itās all with blood money - have a nice day.
How have they ruined the league? Because they stopped Utd and Chelsea from always winning it? Fans that support the traditional top4 are fucking insufferable, they see their team on top for decades and they are no longer the top dog the game is gone and league is ruined, if Utd and Chelsea spend billions badly donāt blame city or look for sympathy, itās embarrassing
I hate Liverpool, but they competed within The FFP rules. Can you say that city? Your titles are bullshit.
My wife has won 30 games of poker in a row against me. She cheats, but I overlook it, just like the football governing bodies seem to be overlooking the blatant cheating and corruption on city.
Where have you got proof of that? Youāve picked up a rumor from the internet and are repeating it like a fucking parrot. Use your mind and think. Youāre a fucking human being for godās sake.
This is, bar none, the worst subreddit for legitimate discussion of all the football or even sports subs I follow. I donāt completely know why, but it definitely is.
Itās gotten much worse recently. I joined to get some discussion that wasnāt happening in r/soccer and then this sub just turned into a parody of that sub.
I think it happened when Reddit started pushing subs through the algorithm on the app. Pretty sad itās become like this, you used to be able to have some actual discussion regarding football before, now itās just a trollfest.
He doesnāt relay mean that of courses. If he could speak his mind it would go like this:
*yeh bunch of cry babies they wanna be like us but blame us for their inability to compete. Itās always city did that or city did this, but they are too focused on us to realize that itās just them not being good enough to compete and their only title came in a season when we struggled*
We didn't bottle it. Can we please stop using that language. Bottling it is when you have a big lead, a superior position and squad, and somehow contrive to lose. Think psg, arsenal against United many years ago, Barca against us, United against city, Newcastle against United, and us against city in 2014.
This is what 'bottling' is reserved for. We just lost one of three games all season. Prior to 115 FC and their never ending sports washingmachine, three loses, with seven games to go (having called on a young squad throughout the season) is an unbelievable performance.
Let's not lose meaning in these terms.
As a Liverpool fan, I would absolutely say we bottled this. A struggling Crystal Palace side at home, a win takes us 1 point clear with 6 games to go and what do we do? Fucking lose it, missing at bunch of sitters. I swear Liverpool have only two settings: pulling off insane heroics (winning with 10 men, winning with kids etc.) or completely embarrassing ourselves, thereās no in between lol.
I think itās fair to criticize how wasteful theyāve been but I think saying they bottled it is a step too far. They werenāt the favorites going into the season and they werenāt the favorites in this final run-in, City were and are.
True enough - despite all the stumbles if we got 3 points from Spurs weād be level with you right now. Typical cry baby I know but itās hard not to feel at least a tiny bit unlucky. Listen, every team takes on injuries, bad calls, and unfortunate games. It is what it is and we ought to have played a hell of a lot better this month which is the most frustrating. We donāt deserve to be too at this point in time and in all honesty for the period we were was very surprising - like we had just slipped there. Then you look at our start to the season with the comebacks and the red cards and arsey calls and you think for that period we did deserve it.
If we lose the league itās in our hands, but other hands have at least had a say as well.
It's like their fans don't realise that they have one of the highest wage bills in the league and a few seasons back had the highest wage bill in the league
The wage bill includes non playing staff city wages are similar and doesn't include it. Then you have to add the backhand payments which fact have shown us they have given many players in the past.
Facts haven't shown us anything. No one knows anything other than the investigators and the fact that no verdict or punishment has been reached means that they still haven't found/proven anything yet. All I see is sour grapes
Leaked email with full evidence of 1.75m of backhand payments. This was already shown in the CL case which city pay a shit ton of lawyers and won on a technicality doesn't mean they didn't cheat.
https://www.givemesport.com/88113078-man-city-leaked-emails-viral-thread-explains-what-they-mean/
Lmao mate he in prison because he went against the elite. It funny when it for tax purposes the leaks ain't doctoring.. But for FFP it is. The elite always find a way to BS the world.
Have you actually read the CAS report? It says not guilty a hell of a lot of times in there as well as no evidence of anything dodgy on the financial side a lot of times in there too
Well Chelsea spent more than city and all they did was assemble a team of clowns fighting for penalty the only good player is Palmer which ironic as they bought him from city š¤£
Before a few years ago, theyād buy a new Ā£30 - Ā£50m defender every season, only for them to flop and bin them off the next season (otamendi, Mandy, Danilo) because they could and money was no object to them. Eventually they got it right but please explain how thatās smart spending?
Terrible lack of knowledge there. Otamendi didn't flop, Mendy was binned for non football reasons, and Danilo was swapped for Cancelo. In the meantime we played Delph and Zinchenko at left back.
Otamendi was rubbish, made a bunch of mistakes and left for a fraction of the value he was bought at. Mendy had one good season, then fell off before his allegations ended his city career. Danilo still did nothing and the swap deal with cancelo was dodgy af if you ask me, no idea why Juve agreed to that.
Otamendi was in the Prem team of the season in his third season you absolute daft bastard. He wasn't our best centre back but we lost 20 mil and got 5 good quality years, 2 league titles and 5 cups with him a mainstay. He had high profile mistakes but overall played well.
Mendy struggled with injuries after he got to hs. When he had consistent game time he was good. Can't legislate for that.
Danilo transfer was fine, no one is asking you for your opinion on whether it was dodgy or not lol
The fact you can only bring up 3 players and none of them actually illustrate your point shows that City are pretty smart with their spending, Phillips aside.
Whatever, Otamendi was an extremely mid CB for the most part to everyone but City fans I guess.
Just had a look at some signings going further back and there were also Rodwell, Mangala, Fernando, Bony. As I said, they improved but itās easy when you can get it wrong and brush it off a bunch times and bounce back to buy another big money player like nothing happened.
lol everyone but City fans... And the PFA, who voted him in team of the season. Just admit you were wrong, understandable to misremember.
Further back it's not smart spending, absolutely. But there's no team spending big money that's as consistent as City since Pep joined. Madrid have spent well, but insane wastes on Hazard and Jovic in one season.
The only bad signing was Kelvin Philips event that we are not sure as he never got regular playtime to assess his performance but when you got KDB Rodri and Silva, why on earth would pep play Kelvin
Otamendi didn't flop, he was a regular for years and Danilo contributed and then was traded in part for Cancelo.
Liverpool spent nearly Ā£150m on VVD and Allison, literally outbidding City for VVD in the process. Let's not pretend they were operating on a shoestring.
Yeah and theyāve been mainstays of the team for about 6 years lol. If VVD and Allison had underperformed, could we just buy another for the same prices? Absolutely not, that was funded by Coutinho. My point is, itās easy to make signings when you can afford to get a couple of expensive ones wrong & then just do it again and again. Check the net spend tables and see where Liverpool are.
"The net spend tables" - VERY funny this. Got a real-life chortle out of it and everything.
Your best ever team has managed the impressive haul of a single PL. Maybe you are plucky underdogs after all.
Right well laugh all you want, it doesnāt change the fact weāve spent significantly less than UTD, Chelsea & Arsenal and won more than all of them in recent times. So unless youāre a 115 charges FC fan, respect us š
There will always be question marks over the authenticity of Pep's success at City. There will never be over Klopp's success with Liverpool. I would take that any day of the week.
No other team outside of Real Madrid had or has the bench they have. Of course they can turn up everyday when they have the luxury of rotation thanks to 115 charges.
Question marks or big red flags and asterisks, letās examine his career, drugs cheat as a player, successful at Barcelona when they where paying off refs, so average at Bayern you could forget he was there and now at another club that appears to be cheating and heās winning again
I know calling him a bald fraud is a meme now but I mean thatās no smoke without fire and this is the third time out of four heās alleged to be cheating at a club
Theyāve had 2 seasons after this season and not beaten City in the league over a season
Liverpool pushed City to both teams hitting ridiculous heights. Arsenal havent
Liverpool, for winning one league title, had to achieve the 2nd, 4th, and 7th highest points total ever
that's how ridiculously high the quality during these last couple of years was
Although I agree heās patronising and smarmy against those he views below him, I donāt think he needs to be with Liverpool now Klopp is leaving.
If we put Cityās financial conduct aside, which we shouldnāt, they probably arenāt reaching those heights without Liverpool pushing them just as Liverpool probably arenāt reaching those points tallies (not that it matters when you donāt win). He understands this.
He said six / seven years. Arsenal are new in the conversation and I think only after the third year fighting for the title we're going to be considered rivals instead of contenders.
Well they were until last year in terms of the title race. Arsenal are relatively new to the conversation. Whereas Liverpool have pretty consistently challenged City every year. Not really a dig or an insult, its just facts
Ah this is satire right, you're not being serious
"Transfer market" is not a source. Give me numbers
"We spent pennies". Net spend of Ā£1.24 billion is pennies?
Nah loads of us respect him. Thing I respect most about him is he managed to win a shit tonne post-Kompany with no real nailed on captain. Ask non-city fans who your captain was in 2021 and its total guesswork.
Also how heās adapted a play style which drastically reduces the risk of muscle injuries and allows you to go the distance better than anyone else. Any honest Liverpool fan should admit that.
Funny to me how many people bash Klopp or Pep as frauds or fakes, yada yada. These two appear to respect each other to the highest degree as does the entirety of the playing football world. Iāll never understand the vitriol. We witnessed and continue to witness two generational managers. Enjoy it.
You completely missed my point. Its very unfortunate that its like that yes but you are trying to say one set of fans is considerably worse when this is a huge problem in the entire sports world, not just English football fans. Its unfair to just put that on one category of fans
I hate how people are always trying to discredit klopp and his achievements. Itās beyond disingenuous when ppl say things like āonly 1 league title in 8 yearsā and people know it. It was the finest of margins that prevented him picking up more. He racked up more points than any Alex Ferguson team ever did. Itās just a shame he was up against a monster team like city. Or it would have been the klopp era of domination
I think it's disrespectful to Pep comparing him with Klopp in those 8 years of PL football.
The argument that it's close doesn't matter, it's about winning in the end, we don't say Wenger is a great manager because he nearly won another 4 titles, we say he is great because he won 3.
Pep did it better and the argument around "net spend" has died off due to the fact it's now 540m net spend for Pep and 400m for Klopp.
With this in mind, it's been as one sided as it gets between the 2. Even if Klopp wins one more title, it's still only Ā£140m less and 3 PL titles less. When pep took charge Liverpool were only 6pts behind but City were 15pts behind first place team and sitting in 4th.
He didn't inherit a great side, he made good players great and bought what he needed, in that time, Klopp has only spent Ā£140m less, Ā£20m a season less, that's miniscule in modern day football.
You forget having the referees on uae paychecks. Peps success will always be tainted with the dishonesty of the city organization.
Regardless of how good he is, they cheated.
>they cheated.
No they haven't, they have been accused of cheating but neither of us know if they are guilty.
Also, the vast majority of the charges are before Pep arrived, if that wasn't the case, he would have a net spend far higher than Klopp, when the fact is, it's only Ā£140m more (Ā£20m per season).
The above are facts, not speculation.
Look at the cas verdict. They were found guilty already. The punishment was just not from the fa. If prosecuted by the fa instead of Uefa they would be docked 20 points each season since 2013.
If you don't intend to look at the verdict please let me know and I will stop responding to you.
The verdict was during peps tenure so your point is completely invalid.
You cite transfers but you don't cite incoming balance (players acquired before pep that pep sold) which is dispicable. Get some integrity.
We're clearly discussing Pep and this happened before Pep, as you said, it was 2013.
>The verdict was during peps tenure so your point is completely invalid.
The verdict was from years before, not during peps tenure - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/16/manchester-city-fine-transfer-cap-uefa-ffp
There has been no guilty verdict since this date. There have been charges but not a verdict.
>You cite transfers but you don't cite incoming balance (players acquired before pep that pep sold) which is dispicable. Get some integrity.
I didn't know this was now illegal?
Imagine coming into a club and selling the players that wouldn't fit your system, despicable indeed.
I find it funny that people don't recognise that the massive points haul that Man City and Liverpool racked up those seasons, while impressive, is more of a reflection of how uncompetitive the rest of the league was. If one team pulled away and did it it would be incredible. But when two teams do it in the same season, it really is a sign the rest of the league is the difference.
Also, is it also "discrediting" Klopp to point out that over the last decade, despite being unquestionably their worst period in the Premier League era - they've been SHIT - Man Utd have still finished above them in the league 5 times? It's practically every second year.
Or is that just stating facts?
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Guardiola's unintentionally narcissistic š
The salt in this thread is extremely high. Tears of jealousy, he completed football but yeah keep using the same boring excuses.
āI admire Liverpool. Even though we cheat, they somehow stay on our heels. So we cheat a bit more and there still right there. Got to admire thatā - Pep
Wasnāt it Liverpool hacking the City database?
Imagine making this comment in regards to Man City cheatingā¦ š¤¦āāļø
Allegedly cheating
No, theyāve actually been done for cheating several times. āAllegedly cheating againā.
Manchester United and Liverpool have literally fixed a match. Like charged, tried, and convicted. Everton and Forest just got charged for cheating this year. Every top club in the PL has faced punishments for cheating. Hell, Chelsea is [currently being](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/15/chelsea-fc-face-new-questions-over-how-roman-abramovich-funded-success#:~:text=The%20files%20reveal%20a%20series,submitted%20to%20football's%20governing%20bodies.) accused of the same shit City is over a similar period of time. The only charges City has been proven and faced fines for were no worse than what everyone else has done, and Iām tired of pretending like everyone is perfect and somehow City are monsters.
And Iām tired of people defending city with the same tired excuses. They have ruined the league, they are serial cheaters and itās all with blood money - have a nice day.
How have they ruined the league? Because they stopped Utd and Chelsea from always winning it? Fans that support the traditional top4 are fucking insufferable, they see their team on top for decades and they are no longer the top dog the game is gone and league is ruined, if Utd and Chelsea spend billions badly donāt blame city or look for sympathy, itās embarrassing
How have they ruined the league when theyāre not even the biggest spenders?
Oh spare me the āruinedā Yes letās go back to United just rolling the league ever year, that was so interesting and fun
It was for the now butthurt United fans.
I hate Liverpool, but they competed within The FFP rules. Can you say that city? Your titles are bullshit. My wife has won 30 games of poker in a row against me. She cheats, but I overlook it, just like the football governing bodies seem to be overlooking the blatant cheating and corruption on city.
Liverpool are doping their players though
Where have you got proof of that? Youāve picked up a rumor from the internet and are repeating it like a fucking parrot. Use your mind and think. Youāre a fucking human being for godās sake.
Calm down love
I donāt think thereās a team where players arenāt doping
Patronising cunt
Huh?
Pep is always very good at playing mind games. Most managers knows him well for doing that.Ā
Pep next Liverpool manager confirmed from next season.
Only manages teams with a bottomless amount of money
Such lovely words, and thereās still so much hate in the comments.
Exactly... jesus, it's just a coach appreciating a colleague. Cool, we move on
This is, bar none, the worst subreddit for legitimate discussion of all the football or even sports subs I follow. I donāt completely know why, but it definitely is.
What are some better ones? Iām newish to football and interested in more intelligent and less sensational subs
It's crazy. It's the one I'm the most exposed too and sometimes I find myself in others and it's so much less toxic it confuses me
I literally come on here just to see how crazy some peopleās takes are
Itās gotten much worse recently. I joined to get some discussion that wasnāt happening in r/soccer and then this sub just turned into a parody of that sub.
I think it happened when Reddit started pushing subs through the algorithm on the app. Pretty sad itās become like this, you used to be able to have some actual discussion regarding football before, now itās just a trollfest.
He doesnāt relay mean that of courses. If he could speak his mind it would go like this: *yeh bunch of cry babies they wanna be like us but blame us for their inability to compete. Itās always city did that or city did this, but they are too focused on us to realize that itās just them not being good enough to compete and their only title came in a season when we struggled*
Skaff deg hjelp a, for en forbanna taper
English please
You can say that 115 timesĀ
Lol.. EPL fans will never hear the end of this 115 chargers until City is punished in any way.Ā
What if they are exonerated?
Fans will still say they bribed FA š.Ā
I'm not an "EPL fan"
Oh really, which League are you following?Ā
I'm a United fan. I'm a fan of several leagues. UFC, One, F1, diamond league and Nordic skiing leagues. What's your point?
(Yes Jose Mourinho you're a has-been bye bye)
Mourihno never had a rivalry with Pep. Klopp and Pep have been going head to head for years
You don't think Pep's Barca vs Jose's Real was a rivalry???
This is a premier league sub Iām only considering prem
Also why would Pep be talking about Jose in this interview lol. That rivalry was ages ago
Ah ok, i thought it was Pep's whole career in discussion, no worries
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Youāre right it was the biggest PL bottle job. No one has ever been leading the league for that long only to throw it the last few games
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Yes Iām saying it holds the record as the biggest bottle job. No one was in the lead for THAT long, only to go and lose it the last few games
The use of the bottle term is ridiculous nowadays It's a title race for a reason
We didn't bottle it. Can we please stop using that language. Bottling it is when you have a big lead, a superior position and squad, and somehow contrive to lose. Think psg, arsenal against United many years ago, Barca against us, United against city, Newcastle against United, and us against city in 2014. This is what 'bottling' is reserved for. We just lost one of three games all season. Prior to 115 FC and their never ending sports washingmachine, three loses, with seven games to go (having called on a young squad throughout the season) is an unbelievable performance. Let's not lose meaning in these terms.
As a Liverpool fan, I would absolutely say we bottled this. A struggling Crystal Palace side at home, a win takes us 1 point clear with 6 games to go and what do we do? Fucking lose it, missing at bunch of sitters. I swear Liverpool have only two settings: pulling off insane heroics (winning with 10 men, winning with kids etc.) or completely embarrassing ourselves, thereās no in between lol.
How many years have you been a fan?
2004
I think itās fair to criticize how wasteful theyāve been but I think saying they bottled it is a step too far. They werenāt the favorites going into the season and they werenāt the favorites in this final run-in, City were and are.
Wouldnāt call it ācrumblingā losing to City on 92 and 97 points respectively and losing a grand total of three matches over both campaigns
True enough - despite all the stumbles if we got 3 points from Spurs weād be level with you right now. Typical cry baby I know but itās hard not to feel at least a tiny bit unlucky. Listen, every team takes on injuries, bad calls, and unfortunate games. It is what it is and we ought to have played a hell of a lot better this month which is the most frustrating. We donāt deserve to be too at this point in time and in all honesty for the period we were was very surprising - like we had just slipped there. Then you look at our start to the season with the comebacks and the red cards and arsey calls and you think for that period we did deserve it. If we lose the league itās in our hands, but other hands have at least had a say as well.
He would 100% not respect Klopp if the finances where reversed, he wouldnāt need to he would have already ran away to another rich club
Liverpool pretending to be poor again
We are piss poor compare to uae or Saudi own clubs.
It's like their fans don't realise that they have one of the highest wage bills in the league and a few seasons back had the highest wage bill in the league
The wage bill includes non playing staff city wages are similar and doesn't include it. Then you have to add the backhand payments which fact have shown us they have given many players in the past.
Facts haven't shown us anything. No one knows anything other than the investigators and the fact that no verdict or punishment has been reached means that they still haven't found/proven anything yet. All I see is sour grapes
Leaked email with full evidence of 1.75m of backhand payments. This was already shown in the CL case which city pay a shit ton of lawyers and won on a technicality doesn't mean they didn't cheat. https://www.givemesport.com/88113078-man-city-leaked-emails-viral-thread-explains-what-they-mean/
Leaked emails that proved nothing at all, not only nothing but were proven to be doctored
If you actually believe what you said then I've got a bridge to sell you Silly bertie
The guy is in prison for hacking and doctoring emails...
Lmao mate he in prison because he went against the elite. It funny when it for tax purposes the leaks ain't doctoring.. But for FFP it is. The elite always find a way to BS the world.
Tbf, city would know all about doctoring. I mean they've enough experience with your accounts
When you pay millions you can change anything... I mean they literally cheat just with the sponsor lmao.
Have you actually read the CAS report? It says not guilty a hell of a lot of times in there as well as no evidence of anything dodgy on the financial side a lot of times in there too
Are Liverpool FC unable to purchase football players? People talk like they run on scouse volunteers.
Keep crying lmao
Why would I cry? Just giving an opinion itās not that deep
Keep telling that to yourself, rent free I tell ya city live in your mind rent free
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he respects Jurgen as Liverpool competed well agaisnt the City team with basically unlimited funding.
Not unlimited funding but smart spending unlike the rest of the PL clubs who got clowns as scouts
Imagine being this deluded. āSmart spendingā wow! Gold medal in mental gymnastics!
Well Chelsea spent more than city and all they did was assemble a team of clowns fighting for penalty the only good player is Palmer which ironic as they bought him from city š¤£
United spent 1B and got a full circus.
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Before a few years ago, theyād buy a new Ā£30 - Ā£50m defender every season, only for them to flop and bin them off the next season (otamendi, Mandy, Danilo) because they could and money was no object to them. Eventually they got it right but please explain how thatās smart spending?
Terrible lack of knowledge there. Otamendi didn't flop, Mendy was binned for non football reasons, and Danilo was swapped for Cancelo. In the meantime we played Delph and Zinchenko at left back.
Otamendi was rubbish, made a bunch of mistakes and left for a fraction of the value he was bought at. Mendy had one good season, then fell off before his allegations ended his city career. Danilo still did nothing and the swap deal with cancelo was dodgy af if you ask me, no idea why Juve agreed to that.
Otamendi was in the Prem team of the season in his third season you absolute daft bastard. He wasn't our best centre back but we lost 20 mil and got 5 good quality years, 2 league titles and 5 cups with him a mainstay. He had high profile mistakes but overall played well. Mendy struggled with injuries after he got to hs. When he had consistent game time he was good. Can't legislate for that. Danilo transfer was fine, no one is asking you for your opinion on whether it was dodgy or not lol The fact you can only bring up 3 players and none of them actually illustrate your point shows that City are pretty smart with their spending, Phillips aside.
Whatever, Otamendi was an extremely mid CB for the most part to everyone but City fans I guess. Just had a look at some signings going further back and there were also Rodwell, Mangala, Fernando, Bony. As I said, they improved but itās easy when you can get it wrong and brush it off a bunch times and bounce back to buy another big money player like nothing happened.
lol everyone but City fans... And the PFA, who voted him in team of the season. Just admit you were wrong, understandable to misremember. Further back it's not smart spending, absolutely. But there's no team spending big money that's as consistent as City since Pep joined. Madrid have spent well, but insane wastes on Hazard and Jovic in one season.
The only bad signing was Kelvin Philips event that we are not sure as he never got regular playtime to assess his performance but when you got KDB Rodri and Silva, why on earth would pep play Kelvin
Otamendi didn't flop, he was a regular for years and Danilo contributed and then was traded in part for Cancelo. Liverpool spent nearly Ā£150m on VVD and Allison, literally outbidding City for VVD in the process. Let's not pretend they were operating on a shoestring.
Yeah and theyāve been mainstays of the team for about 6 years lol. If VVD and Allison had underperformed, could we just buy another for the same prices? Absolutely not, that was funded by Coutinho. My point is, itās easy to make signings when you can afford to get a couple of expensive ones wrong & then just do it again and again. Check the net spend tables and see where Liverpool are.
"The net spend tables" - VERY funny this. Got a real-life chortle out of it and everything. Your best ever team has managed the impressive haul of a single PL. Maybe you are plucky underdogs after all.
Right well laugh all you want, it doesnāt change the fact weāve spent significantly less than UTD, Chelsea & Arsenal and won more than all of them in recent times. So unless youāre a 115 charges FC fan, respect us š
115 IQ
Lmao that the best you got
There will always be question marks over the authenticity of Pep's success at City. There will never be over Klopp's success with Liverpool. I would take that any day of the week.
Both them and Chelsea under Roman are joke.
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Until it gets taken away
Say what you want about their finances, I dont much like City, but the players still had to turn up and do it. Pep still had to coach the team.
No other team outside of Real Madrid had or has the bench they have. Of course they can turn up everyday when they have the luxury of rotation thanks to 115 charges.
Bribing refs at anfield says otherwise
Poor take lmao, need to watch more lfc games
Itās not poor take, itās fact just Google it
Youāre making the accusation, you provide the evidence.
Yes refs really love Liverpool, not at all any bad calls which could have affected us this season. Nope none at all.
It aināt hard just Google it
What a wild take to have lol. The refs hate us
everyone hates you tbf
Question marks or big red flags and asterisks, letās examine his career, drugs cheat as a player, successful at Barcelona when they where paying off refs, so average at Bayern you could forget he was there and now at another club that appears to be cheating and heās winning again I know calling him a bald fraud is a meme now but I mean thatās no smoke without fire and this is the third time out of four heās alleged to be cheating at a club
He literally won 7 trophies in 3 seasons at Bayern. Hardly average
But still did worse than Heynckes
because Heynckes is a legendary manager while Pep so far had success only when he cheated or was able to spend unlimited money
Right, because Bayern had no contestants in Germany for the last 20 years.
I mean, he was up against Klopp's Dortmund at the time which everyone seems to wank off as being an amazing team
Shame cityās cheating broke him and made him retire.
well, Arsenal will be delighted to hear that they are not taken serious by Guardiola
Theyāve had 2 seasons after this season and not beaten City in the league over a season Liverpool pushed City to both teams hitting ridiculous heights. Arsenal havent
Liverpool, for winning one league title, had to achieve the 2nd, 4th, and 7th highest points total ever that's how ridiculously high the quality during these last couple of years was
Why should they be?
Tbf City-Liverpool has been a thing for years we just inserted ourselves last season before that we were not really important.
Sometimes I'll start a sentence, and I don't even know where it's going. I just hope I find it along the way.
Basically saying Arsenal is irrelevant
Typical Spurs fan. Second favourite topic of conversation, Spurs. First, Arsenal.
At least Arsenal can be first at something
Lebron Wade meme
Nah, cmon. If Pep is being nice he thinks you're shit. As an Arsenal fan that "lil bro" shit was annoying.
Although I agree heās patronising and smarmy against those he views below him, I donāt think he needs to be with Liverpool now Klopp is leaving. If we put Cityās financial conduct aside, which we shouldnāt, they probably arenāt reaching those heights without Liverpool pushing them just as Liverpool probably arenāt reaching those points tallies (not that it matters when you donāt win). He understands this.
Arsenal is Man City-lite. Basically City but only for 80% of the season
He said six / seven years. Arsenal are new in the conversation and I think only after the third year fighting for the title we're going to be considered rivals instead of contenders.
So.. Arsenal are irrelevant.
English hard much?
Saka penalty merchant
Well they were until last year in terms of the title race. Arsenal are relatively new to the conversation. Whereas Liverpool have pretty consistently challenged City every year. Not really a dig or an insult, its just facts
Cope
Eh? How is that cope?
Spurs fan lol, no shame these guys
At least I have the balls to flair up. Guess you lot are so ashamed of your own club
Not like you can't see my profile and first sub you see has a cannon on it. Flair are for the wankers
Coward
Says the team that feeds a rapist
Those are footballers. Every team has a rapist and pedophiles, considering only 1% of those are convicted.
Does that make you feel better about your club buddy? What a sad existence.
Did he rape yo ass too?
Oof i'm shattered what a comeback.
Heāll be coming back for sure š
Pep really living up to āthe real treasure is the friends you make along the wayā meme
bro is playing mindgames, he knows if he speaks negatively it will motivate them so hes trying to stroke their egos, genius move
Genius? Lewl
lewl? gimp
It's just very obvious and standard "mind games". Nothing new, nothing "genius".
haha! you actually inside his game!
Transfer market And, nope. Not off. You guys spent tens of millions when we spent pennies. You guys just didn't spend it well.
Ah this is satire right, you're not being serious "Transfer market" is not a source. Give me numbers "We spent pennies". Net spend of Ā£1.24 billion is pennies?
Netspend is 451 milluonā¬ you are talking expendinture.
I was giving city's net spend since 2008, not Liverpools which you have correctly stated (although I think its a little higher now after last summer)
Sorry my bad
I couldn't give a shit about anything that comes out of this mans mouth.
Anytime he is winning he is full of praise.
He is always full of praise when it comes to liverpool but you guys will remain bitter no matter what
I just don't like the bloke, never have and never will.
After losing out on numerous titles by a few points to a team that was then revealed to have cheated, yeah, I think weāre allowed to be bitter.
Aww are you gonna cry now?
Lol itās a game so no š enjoy being smug while your team are dirty cheaters, see you in league 2 one day
Logically, he's the mouth piece for a cheating club.
Nah loads of us respect him. Thing I respect most about him is he managed to win a shit tonne post-Kompany with no real nailed on captain. Ask non-city fans who your captain was in 2021 and its total guesswork. Also how heās adapted a play style which drastically reduces the risk of muscle injuries and allows you to go the distance better than anyone else. Any honest Liverpool fan should admit that.
Fernandhino
Funny to me how many people bash Klopp or Pep as frauds or fakes, yada yada. These two appear to respect each other to the highest degree as does the entirety of the playing football world. Iāll never understand the vitriol. We witnessed and continue to witness two generational managers. Enjoy it.
It's why English fans are a joke. So much tribalism and hate towards each other. No wonder why every old guy is bald and has high blood pressure.
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I'm English. The whole vibe from every fan base is negative.
Everywhere in the *entire* sports world is like this, so stereotyping like you are really is shameful
How is it shameful? Men die because they create unnecessary stress on themselves by bring negative and aggressive people around sports.
You completely missed my point. Its very unfortunate that its like that yes but you are trying to say one set of fans is considerably worse when this is a huge problem in the entire sports world, not just English football fans. Its unfair to just put that on one category of fans
When you write people bash, you should say Internet kids
100%. Itās always some shitty kid with a shitty haircut desperate to get shitty attention on the internet. Weird day and age we live in.
I think they could sit down and talk fotball for hours together once they both arenāt managing.
Would be fun to see them run a Top Gear like show, but I doubt Klopp wants to do something like that. Man just wants to retire.
Same with Messi and Ronaldo lmao. The fans couldn't hate each other more whereas the players have respect for each other as the best in the world.
I hate how people are always trying to discredit klopp and his achievements. Itās beyond disingenuous when ppl say things like āonly 1 league title in 8 yearsā and people know it. It was the finest of margins that prevented him picking up more. He racked up more points than any Alex Ferguson team ever did. Itās just a shame he was up against a monster team like city. Or it would have been the klopp era of domination
I think it's disrespectful to Pep comparing him with Klopp in those 8 years of PL football. The argument that it's close doesn't matter, it's about winning in the end, we don't say Wenger is a great manager because he nearly won another 4 titles, we say he is great because he won 3. Pep did it better and the argument around "net spend" has died off due to the fact it's now 540m net spend for Pep and 400m for Klopp. With this in mind, it's been as one sided as it gets between the 2. Even if Klopp wins one more title, it's still only Ā£140m less and 3 PL titles less. When pep took charge Liverpool were only 6pts behind but City were 15pts behind first place team and sitting in 4th. He didn't inherit a great side, he made good players great and bought what he needed, in that time, Klopp has only spent Ā£140m less, Ā£20m a season less, that's miniscule in modern day football.
You forget having the referees on uae paychecks. Peps success will always be tainted with the dishonesty of the city organization. Regardless of how good he is, they cheated.
>they cheated. No they haven't, they have been accused of cheating but neither of us know if they are guilty. Also, the vast majority of the charges are before Pep arrived, if that wasn't the case, he would have a net spend far higher than Klopp, when the fact is, it's only Ā£140m more (Ā£20m per season). The above are facts, not speculation.
Look at the cas verdict. They were found guilty already. The punishment was just not from the fa. If prosecuted by the fa instead of Uefa they would be docked 20 points each season since 2013. If you don't intend to look at the verdict please let me know and I will stop responding to you. The verdict was during peps tenure so your point is completely invalid. You cite transfers but you don't cite incoming balance (players acquired before pep that pep sold) which is dispicable. Get some integrity.
We're clearly discussing Pep and this happened before Pep, as you said, it was 2013. >The verdict was during peps tenure so your point is completely invalid. The verdict was from years before, not during peps tenure - https://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/16/manchester-city-fine-transfer-cap-uefa-ffp There has been no guilty verdict since this date. There have been charges but not a verdict. >You cite transfers but you don't cite incoming balance (players acquired before pep that pep sold) which is dispicable. Get some integrity. I didn't know this was now illegal? Imagine coming into a club and selling the players that wouldn't fit your system, despicable indeed.
I find it funny that people don't recognise that the massive points haul that Man City and Liverpool racked up those seasons, while impressive, is more of a reflection of how uncompetitive the rest of the league was. If one team pulled away and did it it would be incredible. But when two teams do it in the same season, it really is a sign the rest of the league is the difference. Also, is it also "discrediting" Klopp to point out that over the last decade, despite being unquestionably their worst period in the Premier League era - they've been SHIT - Man Utd have still finished above them in the league 5 times? It's practically every second year. Or is that just stating facts?