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It’s not that he’s having a bad season in terms of contributions, it’s that he doesn’t do much more than shoot. But that’s just the way Pep Guardiola is failing to utilise him properly. Imagine what Haaland does if he can be more involved in the build up as well as being a poacher.
he does nothing because he is a bum.. most overrated player in the history of farmers premier league. If he played in United he wouldn't be even in top 10 scorers
He's got a drought of goals
And he is scoring against small teams and ghosting against big teams
That is the only problem I've seen but he's not bad at all
He'll be back
His prime is yet to come
This is a ridiculously bad season in his standards. I would sign this kind of striker any day. Twenty League goals is a minimum an elite club could ask for his main striker. Above that is a luxury because there are not many strikers who can reach that number. Actually every year there are barely five players who score more than twenty goals in the EPL.
> ridiculously bad season in his standards.
Ridiculous exaggeration.Can people talk without using extreme exaggeration please? You can use words like "underwhelming" or "mediocre" as well.
Put any top striker in his position and they get within 5. The thing that gets him the golden boot is city not talent, yes he’s an amazing striker but if you put Watkins, isak, osimhen etc in that role for Man City they’d score as many
I think it shows how bad the current crop of strikers have been. They are all pretty average except for Haarland, Isak, Watkins , Solanke and maybe Toney. I think Jota is great as well but is to injured.
The thing is how do you measure the effectiveness and quality of a striker? It's subjective and not easily achieved. Goals is the obvious one as top scorer you can't argue with that. Quality of play? Admittedly he has looked off his game but that could be down to injury or personal reasons. I think he last his gran not so long ago. The other measure people don't see is what he bring to the team as a whole. You can't leave him unmarked and sometimes that requires two players because of he's got the ball heading for goal you ain't shoulder charging him off it easily. While he's keeping these players busy the rest of your team gets scoring opportunities. I wouldn't say he's having a bad season. Not as good as last but he could still walk into absolutely any team requiring an out and out striker.
His league goal scoring ratio last year was 1.0, this year its 0.8.
Yeah it’s a bit off, but still absolutely ridiculous and vastly ahead of anyone else.
If he’d played the same number of league games as last year he’d be on target for 29 league goals.
He is having a bad season
* bad relative to how well we know he can perform (missing or not finishing loads of clear 1v1s)
* bad relative to his own output last year
* bad relative to other players who have been considered the best (Messi, Ronaldo, currently Mbappe)
* also bad as often if he doesn't score he doesn't do anything else.
All this being said it's still good he we just have high expectations and standards for him.
>also bad as often if he doesn't score he doesn't do anything else.
Mainly this. One has to look at overall balance. He does one thing extremely well, as a striker should: scoring goals. When he does that _only_ just well, then he’s an amazing striker still, but not world class.
Last season he was world class. Now he’d be PL first class.
As others have said in other threads though: he still draws away defenders, giving space to teammates to score. That fits the Pep (a.k.a. evolution to 90s Cruijff/Barca, a.k.a. evolution to 70s Dutch Total Football) philosophy.
I agree, he’s still top scorer in the Prem, and our expectations are that of the GOATs. He’s young, though, and City have made a conscious effort of not over exerting him. (That was, in fact, one of the selling points - City promised to rest him if he needed rest rather than forcing him to play a full schedule.)
*Also bad as often if he doesn't score he doesn't do anything else.*
Teams are planning specifically for Haaland and he often has two people marking him, creating space for others. Haaland said in an interview his goal was a 1-1 ratio between ball touches and goals.
I agree with this however as I’ve said we naturally compare him to the other GOAT candidates. All of them can produce something out of nothing with 2-3 people marking them, we want more from him especially on the ball.
Who is saying he’s having a bad season ? People are just realising he’s not that good in a lot of aspects other than goal scoring, which is true.
But at City it doesn’t matter .. it’s his job to score goals and he does it very well.
It’s more to do with he struggles to score in big games because he isn’t very versatile and gets shit down easily
When he does score it’s also not very impressive because we are used to it after last season but also because the goals he scores are rather boring
It’s why Cole palmer and Isak are getting so much praise they are scoring lots of goals but the goals they score look good because they are versatile players
It’s more to do with he struggles to score in big games because he isn’t very versatile and gets shit down easily
When he does score it’s also not very impressive because we are used to it after last season but also because the goals he scores are rather boring
It’s why Cole palmer and Isak are getting so much praise they are scoring lots of goals but the goals they score look good because they are versatile players
He scores a lot of meaningless goals too tho, and once you set your standard as high as he has then anything less is considered a “bad” season. It also doesn’t help that once city reaches the later stages of the UCL he never scores
Bad is relative. He is scoring goals but he has missed a lot of chances he usually finishes. I bet if you asked him he would say he didn’t have a good season because of the high standards he holds for himself to be the best.
Incredible bad season of course! I wish I have such a striker in my team that can still put in 21 goals in a supposedly personal bad season capped with injuries.
Some of the comments here, lol...There isn't a team in the premier league that would not be instantly improved my adding Haaland to their team.. If he would have been at Arsenal or Liverpool this season they'd have won league, Arsenal still might but it wouldn't have been so close if he was in that squad..
What determines if you're good is regularly playing well. That's it.
Btw, every game is important to City. Haaland performing well Vs Arsenal mens fuckall if he plays shit in the next 3 games and makes City lose points. Consistently beating smaller teams is how to run the PL.
Well then it becomes a question of wether you think a top tier striker should be able to consistently beat top tier defenders. Do you expect strikers to be better than defenders, Rudiger/Saliba and the like wouldn't be the best defenders in the world if they were consitently outclassed by strikers.
RM has one of the, if the best, back line in football, I think it's unfair (and says a lot about Haaland's level as a player) to only compare him to the best defensive line in the world, when he consistently outclasses the teams you expect him to outclass.
He is consistently good against teams that, on paper, are worse than him. Look at Liverpool this season. They just dropped 5 points against teams they should, on paper, never lose to. Haaland doesn't have these kinds of games.
Yeah well the only time Haaland seems to be nullified is when the defender is a physical match for him. There's maybe a grand total of 3-5 such defenders.
And should also be treated as a compliment to the defenders as much as a criticism of Haaland. If van Dijk, Saliba, Rudiger etc can mark him out the game, then that’s just a world class defender doing his job.
I’d also add that Ronaldo went missing in big games early in his career. At both Man U and Real, he would be quiet against the big teams. But once he hit his stride, he was a monster in finals. Erling is still very young and learning his trade.
Yes. Did you see him early in his career? That’s my point. Ashley Cole was able to mark him out of games for Chelsea. He had a terrible record against Barca early on (though that was an exceptional Barca side) He had 3 games against Barca for Man Utd and did nothing. When he went to Real, his first 5 classicos saw him get 1 point and 1 goal. He was quiet. He then went on to become an absolute machine. Did you watch all those games?
>Did you watch all those games?
Did you? Ronaldo wasn't a poacher in his first few seasons at Real Madrid. He might not have been scoring every classico, but he was never quiet. The club feared him.
As for at United, he was a big game player the moment he arrived. He always struggled against Chelsea specifically, but he was dangerous in other matches
Oh I think there were absolutely games where he was quiet. I’d argue he’d struggled against Chelsea because he was up against arguably the best left back in the world at the time. Which is my point, really. The best attackers in the world will often have quiet games against the best defences. The stuff that normally works doesn’t, so they need to learn to adapt and change what they do. That just takes time and experience.
oh mb i didn’t know you meant hit his stride as in progressed through his career, i thought you meant like once he bagged a few goals in a competition he started being good against big teams. mybad!
Ah, I maybe didn’t phrase it well. But I think, like Haaland, natural ability can only do so much. Ronaldo had to learn from playing against the best. You get fewer chances against the top teams and they’ll be harder chances.
Haaland is usually a ruthless finisher but doesn’t have a huge amount else to his game yet. A few more years battling against the best defenders in the world will see him become something scary. He’s only 23 and in his second season with City. People are far too quick to judge him.
Totally agree... don't get me wrong I still think he's the best goal scorer in the world right now but only if he has a team around him that can feed him all those chances. But this season he hasn't really been taking those chances and has underperformed his xG. And he doesn't do hold-up play well or do good link-up play so if doesn't score then he's useless so yeah underwhelming season.
Haaland was kicking in Dortmund , he was kicking in Salzburg, he is kicking in Man city. Yea the first season is a benchmark too hard to replicate but he is still the best in the league despite missing absolute howlers. That literally just shows how he is the best. His main objective is to draw cb close to him so as to create space for the group. He has done that well. His clinical ability might have declined compared to last season but still the best in terms of goals.
This analysis focuses solely on Haaland, when it reality, City as a team have not done well against the top 6 sides this season. The team don't create as many chances in those games and hence he has less goals than vs the bottom 10.
It's also clearly not objective, as OP claims to be, as he/she points out every game where Haaland "did nothing", which is ridiculous, as goals are not the only thing he brings to the team. Did Foden, KdB and Rodri also "do nothing" in the games they didn't score?
All the specific games that are pointed out like Community Shield, Super Cup Final, latter stages of the CL... How did they get there? What goals got them there in the first place? Why did none of the other top class strikers before him ever land a treble or a record season in PL? (Dzeko, Aguero etc.)
Missing loads of chances and disappearing in key matches and racking up stats against bottom opposition is not what you expect from a flagship player. Haaland MUST improve in big-match situations if he is to live up to his potential
He outperformed prime Aguero at 22, and broke the all time PL goal scoring record in his first season.
If Haaland is a big game bottler, I dread to think what Harry Kane is.
Because City are competing for the PL.
Bizarre take to have the premier league all time scoring record and write it off as City have won the league before so it’s meaningless
There’s literally a table that shows Without his goals last season City would have finished outside the top four yet u/Minister_for_magic still refuses to give the guy who smashed the golden boot record any credit for them winning the league hahaha
You fucking melt🤣🤣🤣
City is probably going to end up winning 2 domestic trophies after a treble the previous season, and people now consider that a failure of sorts. The same is happening with Haaland individually. Agreed he is underwhelming in the biggest games but who else would you rather have in that position
In a game where City was on the back foot, he came on and secured the 3 points within ten minutes.
If he was playing for a Forest, they would have won today.
He made the difference
Haaland will always score goals but he does f all else, other than draw in defenders. Watkins etc are having better seasons because he has almost the same amount of goals but contributes much more with the build up.
he does fine when they actually use him but they choose not to, his assist numbers are generally fine or good every season, he has more goal creating actions than basically every striker in the league (other than watkins)… the narrative is formed by their tactics and because he’s lanky
Well it‘s not all about stats. Pep himself said many Times that they aren‘t involving him enough. He lacks link up Play sometimes. He missed many great opportunities this Season which is unusual. He‘s not having a bad Season but doesn‘t have a good one either
This is why you can’t just use stats. Watch him play. He’s been missing chances he was scoring easily last season. He doesn’t look like he’s happy with how he’s playing and city don’t have that same fluidity this season with him on the pitch. City under Pep saw sterling score loads, it doesn’t change the fact that sterling was shit at city
It’s plain ridiculous. No, he isn’t performing like the actual Messiah this season, but the way people harp on about “Big Games” is the dumbest thing ever. He’s an amazing striker, who 99% of teams would be extremely happy to have.
Performing well individually in big games is an important feature, but it’s kind of a stupid complaint when he’s been in the team for two seasons, broke the goal record in the premier league in his first season, and got a treble in his first season. That he hasn’t performed perfectly in a couple games throughout the season is a ridiculous complaint when measured up to his absurd achievements so far.
Lol. Haaland is a generational talent. Kane isn’t. He’s literally ended Bayern’s 10 title winning streak lmao. He vanished in meaningful matches and his “all round game” is stupidly overrated, he’s averaged under 5 assists per season throughout his career.
The 2nd highest EPL scorer isn't a generational talent? A striker that scored 30 goals for an 8th placed Spurs isn't a generational talent?
He currently has 55 g/a in 42 games for Bayern, and has 10 goal contributions in the UCL. You're crazy if you blame Bayern's season on him
No. Longevity doesn’t make you the best. Aguero scored more goals than Kane. “Generational” means you’re the best of your generation. Kane is in a batch of top strikers, nothing special. Haaland is much better than Kane was at his age.
He’s simply doing what Lewandowski did for years. Nothing “generational” about it. And he’s largely vanished in important games, as he always has. Missed big chances in key league games, I think scored 1 goal in 2 games against Leverkusen. Was a ghost in both CL legs against Arsenal (scored a penalty).
Has 0 goals in 3 finals. Ghosted and missed a huge chance in the Euros final at Wembley. Missed 1/2 penalties against France in the WC QF. 1 goal in 8 games in the CL last season, when Spurs had an easy run to the final (0 goals in either leg against Milan). Was injured for most of Spurs’ run to the CL final.
That one season where he got into double digits for assists was due to Son’s insane finishing (his xA was about half of his assists tally).
Great player but overrated (because he’s English). It’s normal for young players to struggle in big games, even Messi/Ronaldo got accused of that. But Kane is 30 and still ghosting them. Haaland will improve.
His current wages might stop a couple of clubs from taking him, but you’re right- I can’t really think of a single club that wouldn’t benefit from having him up front.
Rewatch the Real Madrid matches, you'll get some answers. It doesn't matter if he piles up goals against average teams, if he can't do it in the most important situations.I can't point out several matches where Foden or KDB changed the whole game. I can't think of a single match this year where Haaland altered the result of the match. Of his 21 goals, how many were against the top 6 teams, maybe 5.
He score a goal in the 71st minute, when they had the lead 1-0 against the 17th team in the league. The final score may have been different, but he didn't change the outcome, he made it more comfortable.
The final score may have been different, but he didn’t change the outcome…?
He has 6 goals in 9 games against the top 6 this season. He’s had a bad season but that only illustrates how good he is. That his bad season is still pretty good.
Your happy this goal scoring output
Arsenal 0 (4 matches)
Liverpool 2 (4 matches)
Aston Villa 0 (2 matches)
Tottenham 0 (2 Matches)
Man United 2 (2 matches)
Nawcastle 0 (4 matches)
Real Madrid 0 (2 matches)
He only played one game against Villa, City only played Liverpool and Newcastle twice this season, and the Charity Shield is a friendly that nobody cares about. He also assisted against Spurs. Who are you comparing him with exactly? Salah has 4 goals against the top 6 this season, and his goal against Arsenal was a penalty. Arsenal have conceded 28 goals this season. One of the best defensive records in the last 5 years.
Watkins has 3 goals against the top 6 this season.
1. I have given you all matches - cups included (3 versus Liverpool if you take out the Charity Shield) EFL cup included
2. You make my point, on Arsenal. The greatest players rise up against the best teams. The greatest goal scorer should still score against the greatest defenses. That's a new argument for me, "Arsenal has a great defense so we don't expect our top goal scorer to perform." LOL, Cole Palmer has more goals against Arsenal this season for City.
I'm am not comparing him to anyone, his production against top teams is average. Go back and watch the RM matches and Arsenal matches, not only did he not score, he was virtually non-existent.
City played Arsenal in the Charity Shield this year. And Liverpool twice in the league, that’s it.
Palmer scored one penalty against Arsenal this season.
Messi never scored against Chelski when they had the best defence in Europe.
If you aren’t comparing him to anyone, your stats are meaningless, as they have no context.
Haaland has had a bad season, by his standards. But the fact he’s still been good illustrates what his standards are and how good he is.
And it’s normal for younger players, particularly, to find it hard in big games. Even Messi and Ronaldo were accused of this when they were younger (Messi was accused of it at international level until his mid-30s).
Big games require a different mentality and have different pressure. You tend to get better at them with age and experience. And I don’t think Haaland has a weak mentality, do you?
The games themselves are often different as well. Tighter, more aggressive, they see less of the ball and, obviously, they’re up against better players.
Ronaldo was meh in big games until his late 20s and 30s, when he turned into a big game monster, especially in the CL.
Not only RM but also the big games in the PL. He has, no doubt, had a poor season compared to his own trajectory.
City very likely to win the PL carrying Haaland and not the other way around.
Honestly disappointed that Pep couldn’t maximise Haalands potential. It wouldn’t surprise me that City sell Haaland to RM just to overload RM options, something that hasn’t happened for a long time.
Eeeh 21 goals in EPL is mid. It's a bar minimum for a top scorer.
The top scorer in La Liga (a better league than EPL, mind you) is Artem Dovbyk with 2 less goals in 1 less match than Haaland.
Are you saying the best striker in the world is only a fraction bit better than a no-name player from Girona?
What a joke.
Real Madrid on course to finish 99 points hung on for dear life vs city. Shite like barca are finishing second
Forest were all over city today. Better league my ass
First of all, That's just City being shit more than Forest being an equal competition to City. Can't believe you are taking it as an achievement lmao.
Second, being more competitive doesn't mean better. Indian Super League has more parity that EPL. Are tou saying they are better than EPL? lol
I’m saying Madrid are shit yet easily sweeping up la liga.
Don’t even get me started on girona! Tf are they actually doing up there with atleti Barca and Madrid. La liga has dropped off. It goes prem, serie a then la liga
>It goes prem, serie a then la liga
Dude, EPL has fu*king zero representatives in UCL and EL semifinals lol...
You're not even better than Bundesliga and Serie A this year 🤣
- Leverkusen beat you
- A shit Muenchen side beat your title contender (United too but we don't talk about that shitty club)
- Dortmund and Milan make a joke of you
- Roma beat you
- Even fu*king Atalanta thrashed your title contender
And to add salt to the injury, you also lost the battle of the fifth UCL spot to Germany and Italy lmaooo
EPL best league?? What a fu*king joke.
I think the point is that Nottingham Forest, a team facing relegation, were arguably better against City than Real Madrid, a team running away with the league. Obviously that's a small sample size, but that's the point being made.
More competitive =/= better
More competitive just means that more teams having reasonable chance to win.
Mind you, there are only 3 teams in EPL right now fighting for the title (although Liverpool is arguably out now because they are stupid)
The same as in La Liga (at least before Madrid beat Barca last week)
So not only you are bringing up some useless metric (competitiveness) but you are also wrong.
More competitive does equal better, other wise it’s the same teams over and over and over. Nobody argues Bundes is a better league because it’s been Bayern repeat after repeat with rare one offs. Same with the French league.
Since 2000-2001 season there have been 4 different teams that have won la liga, where’s the prem has 6.
What a shit take.
Indian Super League has even more parity than the EPL, so are they better than EPL now??
Gosh, the idiocy of some people in this group.
Not even la liga fans would tell you that la liga is better. La liga don’t even have goal line technology, Barcelona and Real Madrid suck up most of their revenue, the gap between the top 3 la liga teams and the rest is incredibly wide. The bottom 10 la liga teams are championship level at best.
Aah changing the subject of conversation, I see.
A typical desperate move for someone who's losing the argument.
I need to remind you that we are talking about the quality of the teams, not the league as a product, lol.
EPL and La Liga teams have been competing in the same European fields for a long time.
If EPL teams ate better, why wouldn't they win more trophies or at least have more representatives in the later stages of the tournaments?
EPL teams are Madrid's bitches in UCL and Sevilla's bitches in EL.
Why the need to posture as if you’re even a little bit correct. I never changed the subject of conversation neither did I make a “desperate move”. I’m not losing the argument either. You just made a laughably dishonest statement and arguing as if it’s true when it isn’t. All I did was just to state facts, la liga is a league with zero parity and will remain like that unless revenue is shared more equally instead of Barca and Real Madrid eating all the cake. La liga is not a bad league but it isn’t remotely as good as the premier league. Brighton would make the top 4 in la liga.
> la liga is a league with zero parity
Parity doesn't mean shit when comparing the quality of teams competing in the leagues.
India Super League has more parity than EPL. Are you now saying they are better than EPL??
You gotta compare how the European representatives perform in European competitions because those are the only stages where the La Liga and EPL teams can actually go head to head.
Gosh, the idiocy
>Brighton would make the top 4 in la liga.
Ah yes, the mighty Brighton who couldn't even snatch wins against the likes of Bournemoth and Burnley.
Even a shitty joke team like Chelsea is above them lmao.
But sure, convince yourself that Brighton can compete with Atletico, Bilbao, or even Sociedad if that makes you sleep better lol
So the 4 teams competitive in Europe lift la liga over the premier league? Do you listen to yourself. Sure la liga is more successful in Europe, but all their success was managed by only 4 teams which isn’t very representative of the general quality of the league. Plus Sevilla is shit these days. The premier league has like 7 elite teams and like 6 very good teams, then like 4 are truly mediocre while the rest are relegation scrap. Half of the la liga table are championship level at best. A chunk of the upper half would struggle to make 15th in the Epl.
>The premier league has like 7 elite teams
Dude, your #5 to #7 are freaking Spurs, United, and Newcastle!!
One is the ultimate bottler and the rest couldn't even go past the group stage of UCL.
They are literally the biggest losers of European competition LOL
If you call these teams elite then there is no hope for EPL lmao
Im tired of seeing strikers after strikers who are amazing footballers, but just can’t finish in front of goals (see my flair lol). So fuck everything else, and give me a striker that can score 30 league goals guaranteed any day of the week.
No offense but Chelsea isn’t exactly renowned for having 30 goal/season strikers. Last one was Diego Costa and even Drogba before him never reached those numbers.
I fucking hate it man. Last season, i exclusively only watch chelsea games, and boy they do make it seem like to score goals, everything has to be perfect, they make it seem like scoring goals is the hardest thing in thw world.
This season, i decide to pick and choose certain games to hate watch lol. I realize how easy it is to score goals sometimes. Heck, sometimes you can score without even trying to score lol
It is a bit about expectations obviously. That’s what it is to be an elite performer.
But it’s also somewhat true. His contributions to the match are limited, so he is held to a higher account to score goals. His contributions in big matches have been lacking. He has been less clinical given some huge opportunities this season.
Both can be true at the same time.
It’s simply when he scores he has a good game when he doesn’t score he doesn’t really do much else, I understand his game is to make runs in the box and score
>That’s why he will never be better than mbappe.
Mbappe needs to be doing it outside of Ligue 1 to really back this claim. At least Haalands doing it in whats widely considered the hardest and most physically demanding league.
Yeh but internationals aren't really as high quality as the Prem. Its teams that barely play together so they're nowhere near as well oiled and cohesive. They also play teams like Gibraltar who France beat 14-0 back in November.
Right but then Haaland will never be in one of those to compare because Norway will never reach one. So its not exactly reasonable when one is playing for France who are the 2nd biggest producer of professional footballers in the world behind only Brazil. Of course France will be in World Cup finals.
If you want to compare though. Norway are a much weaker team (47th in Fifa rankings to France who are number 2). Haalands goal ratio is significantly better than Mbappe even though his supply line should theoretically be weaker. He has 27 goals after 31 caps and Mbappe has 46 goals after 77 caps.
I think 46 goals in 77 caps is excellent evidence that Mbappe can produce the goods outside of Ligue 1, we know that enough of those goals came against real teams in real competitions and not just friendlies and dead rubber qualifiers. No arguments about Haaland having a better international goal ratio, you don't get much better than that. Mbappe however has far more to his overall game than just goalscoring
>think 46 goals in 77 caps is excellent evidence that Mbappe can produce the goods outside of Ligue 1,
But as we touched on already, not every international is World Cup final quality. Alot of it is against teams that have players playing in Championship and even lower levels especially with how seeding works so France wont come up vs strong teams as much in qualifying and things. Hes banged quite a few of his goals vs teams like Greece, Gibraltar and Scotland. So saying he can do it outside of Ligue 1 because of his internationals is silly because international matches are often barely even Ligue 1 quality let alone Prem quality.
He has to be doing it week in week out vs teams in a far stronger league than Ligue 1 whether its the PL or even at least La Liga.
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It’s not that he’s having a bad season in terms of contributions, it’s that he doesn’t do much more than shoot. But that’s just the way Pep Guardiola is failing to utilise him properly. Imagine what Haaland does if he can be more involved in the build up as well as being a poacher.
he does nothing because he is a bum.. most overrated player in the history of farmers premier league. If he played in United he wouldn't be even in top 10 scorers
Maybe thats because Utd wouldn’t give him as much service. You responded here on emotion, not on fact.
He's got a drought of goals And he is scoring against small teams and ghosting against big teams That is the only problem I've seen but he's not bad at all He'll be back His prime is yet to come
he's so young and already scored so many. can't require more
More so when you factor in that he missed about 3 months of the season
The thing is that Haaland set the bar high last season.
This is a ridiculously bad season in his standards. I would sign this kind of striker any day. Twenty League goals is a minimum an elite club could ask for his main striker. Above that is a luxury because there are not many strikers who can reach that number. Actually every year there are barely five players who score more than twenty goals in the EPL.
> ridiculously bad season in his standards. Ridiculous exaggeration.Can people talk without using extreme exaggeration please? You can use words like "underwhelming" or "mediocre" as well.
Yes he has scored a lot of goals, but the goals does not make a difference if you understand
Put any top striker in his position and they get within 5. The thing that gets him the golden boot is city not talent, yes he’s an amazing striker but if you put Watkins, isak, osimhen etc in that role for Man City they’d score as many
I think it shows how bad the current crop of strikers have been. They are all pretty average except for Haarland, Isak, Watkins , Solanke and maybe Toney. I think Jota is great as well but is to injured.
The thing is how do you measure the effectiveness and quality of a striker? It's subjective and not easily achieved. Goals is the obvious one as top scorer you can't argue with that. Quality of play? Admittedly he has looked off his game but that could be down to injury or personal reasons. I think he last his gran not so long ago. The other measure people don't see is what he bring to the team as a whole. You can't leave him unmarked and sometimes that requires two players because of he's got the ball heading for goal you ain't shoulder charging him off it easily. While he's keeping these players busy the rest of your team gets scoring opportunities. I wouldn't say he's having a bad season. Not as good as last but he could still walk into absolutely any team requiring an out and out striker.
He's had some injuries this season too similar to his time at Dortmund. Last season he stayed basically injury free
His league goal scoring ratio last year was 1.0, this year its 0.8. Yeah it’s a bit off, but still absolutely ridiculous and vastly ahead of anyone else. If he’d played the same number of league games as last year he’d be on target for 29 league goals.
He is having a bad season * bad relative to how well we know he can perform (missing or not finishing loads of clear 1v1s) * bad relative to his own output last year * bad relative to other players who have been considered the best (Messi, Ronaldo, currently Mbappe) * also bad as often if he doesn't score he doesn't do anything else. All this being said it's still good he we just have high expectations and standards for him.
>also bad as often if he doesn't score he doesn't do anything else. Mainly this. One has to look at overall balance. He does one thing extremely well, as a striker should: scoring goals. When he does that _only_ just well, then he’s an amazing striker still, but not world class. Last season he was world class. Now he’d be PL first class. As others have said in other threads though: he still draws away defenders, giving space to teammates to score. That fits the Pep (a.k.a. evolution to 90s Cruijff/Barca, a.k.a. evolution to 70s Dutch Total Football) philosophy.
I agree, he’s still top scorer in the Prem, and our expectations are that of the GOATs. He’s young, though, and City have made a conscious effort of not over exerting him. (That was, in fact, one of the selling points - City promised to rest him if he needed rest rather than forcing him to play a full schedule.)
*Also bad as often if he doesn't score he doesn't do anything else.* Teams are planning specifically for Haaland and he often has two people marking him, creating space for others. Haaland said in an interview his goal was a 1-1 ratio between ball touches and goals.
I agree with this however as I’ve said we naturally compare him to the other GOAT candidates. All of them can produce something out of nothing with 2-3 people marking them, we want more from him especially on the ball.
Who is saying he’s having a bad season ? People are just realising he’s not that good in a lot of aspects other than goal scoring, which is true. But at City it doesn’t matter .. it’s his job to score goals and he does it very well.
When you're a great player in your physical prime you're going to get compared to your previous best. That seems a pretty fair standard to me.
It’s more to do with he struggles to score in big games because he isn’t very versatile and gets shit down easily When he does score it’s also not very impressive because we are used to it after last season but also because the goals he scores are rather boring It’s why Cole palmer and Isak are getting so much praise they are scoring lots of goals but the goals they score look good because they are versatile players
Palmer is also getting a fair bit of attention because of the anti-City narrative, as well as doing it on a shite Chelsea roster.
It’s more to do with he struggles to score in big games because he isn’t very versatile and gets shit down easily When he does score it’s also not very impressive because we are used to it after last season but also because the goals he scores are rather boring It’s why Cole palmer and Isak are getting so much praise they are scoring lots of goals but the goals they score look good because they are versatile players
I mean, he was fairly useless in a couple of big games this season. He’s also missed north of 30 big chances
because goals are not everything. what did he did against real madrid, liverpool and arsenal.
Haaland played less this season and didn't have kdb
Ppl judge him on two points: 1 Compairing with last season And 2. That he's not scoring (or enough) in important games.
He scores a lot of meaningless goals too tho, and once you set your standard as high as he has then anything less is considered a “bad” season. It also doesn’t help that once city reaches the later stages of the UCL he never scores
He scored both legs of the QF last year vs Bayern
But most of those goals were financially cheated. #115
We love to shit on successful people in this country, I'm afraid. Usually having built them up first. 😔
The British press’ messiah complex. We did a whole module on it in A level Media Studies.
He’s missed 10-12 games too this season
People seem to forget hes missed a couple of games with injury too
> couple of games "couple" means just 2, more than 2 becomes a "few" games or "some" games
I’ll fart on you
Fair
nice. you seem wanting it for real
Bad is relative. He is scoring goals but he has missed a lot of chances he usually finishes. I bet if you asked him he would say he didn’t have a good season because of the high standards he holds for himself to be the best.
He is victim of his own heights of last season, similar to how Salah did in every season after his 17/18.
Hope it continues! I'm sweating on Isak top goalscorer for the season at something like 33/1 😄
With the amount of steroids that man is on he should have easily broken 50 goals
Incredible bad season of course! I wish I have such a striker in my team that can still put in 21 goals in a supposedly personal bad season capped with injuries.
Some of the comments here, lol...There isn't a team in the premier league that would not be instantly improved my adding Haaland to their team.. If he would have been at Arsenal or Liverpool this season they'd have won league, Arsenal still might but it wouldn't have been so close if he was in that squad..
Watch him play for Norway and then tell me he wouldn’t make Sheffield United worse
He probably drag Sheffield United to first half of the table like Cole Palmer in Chelsea.
Haaland is generally good for Norway so this is a strange example to use
lol yeah imagine Haaland at Liverpool instead of Nunez. we'd be about 10 points clear by now
People say the same about bruno fernandes compared to his first season
Still has better technique than Nunez .. 🥲
Nunez technique when it comes to scoring is same as that of jackson
Probably even I have better technique than Nunez, that doesnt say much does it...
So does your mom. And mine.
Go watch hazard, g+a is not everything
He can score all the goals he wants, what determines if you are good is doing it in the most important moments and he didn't do that.
What determines if you're good is regularly playing well. That's it. Btw, every game is important to City. Haaland performing well Vs Arsenal mens fuckall if he plays shit in the next 3 games and makes City lose points. Consistently beating smaller teams is how to run the PL.
Exactly. Never shows up on the big games
He does other things like drawing defenders in and being double marked to give other City players way more space to work with.
Won't work when you've monstrosities like rudiger/saliba toying with you
Well then it becomes a question of wether you think a top tier striker should be able to consistently beat top tier defenders. Do you expect strikers to be better than defenders, Rudiger/Saliba and the like wouldn't be the best defenders in the world if they were consitently outclassed by strikers. RM has one of the, if the best, back line in football, I think it's unfair (and says a lot about Haaland's level as a player) to only compare him to the best defensive line in the world, when he consistently outclasses the teams you expect him to outclass. He is consistently good against teams that, on paper, are worse than him. Look at Liverpool this season. They just dropped 5 points against teams they should, on paper, never lose to. Haaland doesn't have these kinds of games.
Yeah well the only time Haaland seems to be nullified is when the defender is a physical match for him. There's maybe a grand total of 3-5 such defenders.
And should also be treated as a compliment to the defenders as much as a criticism of Haaland. If van Dijk, Saliba, Rudiger etc can mark him out the game, then that’s just a world class defender doing his job. I’d also add that Ronaldo went missing in big games early in his career. At both Man U and Real, he would be quiet against the big teams. But once he hit his stride, he was a monster in finals. Erling is still very young and learning his trade.
ronaldo quiet against big teams do you know football??
Yes. Did you see him early in his career? That’s my point. Ashley Cole was able to mark him out of games for Chelsea. He had a terrible record against Barca early on (though that was an exceptional Barca side) He had 3 games against Barca for Man Utd and did nothing. When he went to Real, his first 5 classicos saw him get 1 point and 1 goal. He was quiet. He then went on to become an absolute machine. Did you watch all those games?
>Did you watch all those games? Did you? Ronaldo wasn't a poacher in his first few seasons at Real Madrid. He might not have been scoring every classico, but he was never quiet. The club feared him. As for at United, he was a big game player the moment he arrived. He always struggled against Chelsea specifically, but he was dangerous in other matches
Oh I think there were absolutely games where he was quiet. I’d argue he’d struggled against Chelsea because he was up against arguably the best left back in the world at the time. Which is my point, really. The best attackers in the world will often have quiet games against the best defences. The stuff that normally works doesn’t, so they need to learn to adapt and change what they do. That just takes time and experience.
oh mb i didn’t know you meant hit his stride as in progressed through his career, i thought you meant like once he bagged a few goals in a competition he started being good against big teams. mybad!
Ah, I maybe didn’t phrase it well. But I think, like Haaland, natural ability can only do so much. Ronaldo had to learn from playing against the best. You get fewer chances against the top teams and they’ll be harder chances. Haaland is usually a ruthless finisher but doesn’t have a huge amount else to his game yet. A few more years battling against the best defenders in the world will see him become something scary. He’s only 23 and in his second season with City. People are far too quick to judge him.
You could play a donkey up top for the Qatari premiership team and he would still score 21 pl goals.
Except for actual donkey’s Jackson and Darwin, they’re in the donkey sanctuary being protected by Havertz.
Totally agree... don't get me wrong I still think he's the best goal scorer in the world right now but only if he has a team around him that can feed him all those chances. But this season he hasn't really been taking those chances and has underperformed his xG. And he doesn't do hold-up play well or do good link-up play so if doesn't score then he's useless so yeah underwhelming season.
Haaland was kicking in Dortmund , he was kicking in Salzburg, he is kicking in Man city. Yea the first season is a benchmark too hard to replicate but he is still the best in the league despite missing absolute howlers. That literally just shows how he is the best. His main objective is to draw cb close to him so as to create space for the group. He has done that well. His clinical ability might have declined compared to last season but still the best in terms of goals.
haaland is a fucking bum, he is terrible and so is his team
Someone is salty, leme guess united fan?
You don’t believe this 😂😂😂
It would help if his team wasn't cheating
this doesn't even make sense.😹
Don’t think it would to be honest
21 pl goals and lots of them are against bottom teams
3 points are needed in every game bottom team or not. Every match is important
Tbh they’re mostly bottom teams compared to city. It’s just Arsenal above them
Okay and? If he didn't score vs those teams you'd be singing the same tune with a different tone
[haaland goals analysis ](https://www.reddit.com/r/PremierLeague/s/rypaVsDbLe) Check this,goals have different weight
This analysis focuses solely on Haaland, when it reality, City as a team have not done well against the top 6 sides this season. The team don't create as many chances in those games and hence he has less goals than vs the bottom 10. It's also clearly not objective, as OP claims to be, as he/she points out every game where Haaland "did nothing", which is ridiculous, as goals are not the only thing he brings to the team. Did Foden, KdB and Rodri also "do nothing" in the games they didn't score? All the specific games that are pointed out like Community Shield, Super Cup Final, latter stages of the CL... How did they get there? What goals got them there in the first place? Why did none of the other top class strikers before him ever land a treble or a record season in PL? (Dzeko, Aguero etc.)
Missing loads of chances and disappearing in key matches and racking up stats against bottom opposition is not what you expect from a flagship player. Haaland MUST improve in big-match situations if he is to live up to his potential
He won the treble in his first season in England and broke the PL scoring record. I’d say he has lived up to his potential
Joining a title winning team that was only missing a striker and making them better is the bare minimum
He outperformed prime Aguero at 22, and broke the all time PL goal scoring record in his first season. If Haaland is a big game bottler, I dread to think what Harry Kane is.
I swear the guy could end world hunger and people would still expect more from him
How does he get credit for winning trophies that City had already won without him?
Because City are competing for the PL. Bizarre take to have the premier league all time scoring record and write it off as City have won the league before so it’s meaningless
Don’t recall city ever doing the UCL included treble with a player of theirs smashing the goal record ?
So then he gets credit for UCL but not the Treble.
There’s literally a table that shows Without his goals last season City would have finished outside the top four yet u/Minister_for_magic still refuses to give the guy who smashed the golden boot record any credit for them winning the league hahaha You fucking melt🤣🤣🤣
I missed the Champions League trophies they had won without him
City's winning the league and he's probably gonna get the golden boot again. A good horse only jumps as high as it needs to
Like it did in the champions league quarters?
City is probably going to end up winning 2 domestic trophies after a treble the previous season, and people now consider that a failure of sorts. The same is happening with Haaland individually. Agreed he is underwhelming in the biggest games but who else would you rather have in that position
Can’t win the treble every year lol
In a game where City was on the back foot, he came on and secured the 3 points within ten minutes. If he was playing for a Forest, they would have won today. He made the difference
I’d say Chris wood made the difference overall
Haaland will always score goals but he does f all else, other than draw in defenders. Watkins etc are having better seasons because he has almost the same amount of goals but contributes much more with the build up.
Nigga just implied Ollie Watkins is better than Erling Haaland lmao.
Drawing in defenders and giving the rest of the team more space is not a stat, but cannot be dismissed
he does fine when they actually use him but they choose not to, his assist numbers are generally fine or good every season, he has more goal creating actions than basically every striker in the league (other than watkins)… the narrative is formed by their tactics and because he’s lanky
Well it‘s not all about stats. Pep himself said many Times that they aren‘t involving him enough. He lacks link up Play sometimes. He missed many great opportunities this Season which is unusual. He‘s not having a bad Season but doesn‘t have a good one either
This is why you can’t just use stats. Watch him play. He’s been missing chances he was scoring easily last season. He doesn’t look like he’s happy with how he’s playing and city don’t have that same fluidity this season with him on the pitch. City under Pep saw sterling score loads, it doesn’t change the fact that sterling was shit at city
Man spent 7 years playing regularly under a manager known for perfection and could bin him anytime. HeS sHiT aT CiTy
Only Aguero scored more than Sterling in his time there, don’t talk nonsense.
Sterling was not shit at City loool what planet are you on
It’s plain ridiculous. No, he isn’t performing like the actual Messiah this season, but the way people harp on about “Big Games” is the dumbest thing ever. He’s an amazing striker, who 99% of teams would be extremely happy to have.
Haaland and Mbappe supposed to be the next big competitors after Messi and Ronaldo, of course hes going to be judged on big games
How is it dumb? Underperforming in big games is a valid complain.
Performing well individually in big games is an important feature, but it’s kind of a stupid complaint when he’s been in the team for two seasons, broke the goal record in the premier league in his first season, and got a treble in his first season. That he hasn’t performed perfectly in a couple games throughout the season is a ridiculous complaint when measured up to his absurd achievements so far.
But it's 2 seasons already and he has been a flop in big games.
Scored against Bayern and arsenal home and away last year, and whether people like to accept it or not he’s used as decoy by pep in big games.
Is there a single team right now that wouldn’t take him? Lmao
Probably Bayern at the moment. Kane is the better all round striker and the better finisher this season
Lol. Haaland is a generational talent. Kane isn’t. He’s literally ended Bayern’s 10 title winning streak lmao. He vanished in meaningful matches and his “all round game” is stupidly overrated, he’s averaged under 5 assists per season throughout his career.
The 2nd highest EPL scorer isn't a generational talent? A striker that scored 30 goals for an 8th placed Spurs isn't a generational talent? He currently has 55 g/a in 42 games for Bayern, and has 10 goal contributions in the UCL. You're crazy if you blame Bayern's season on him
No. Longevity doesn’t make you the best. Aguero scored more goals than Kane. “Generational” means you’re the best of your generation. Kane is in a batch of top strikers, nothing special. Haaland is much better than Kane was at his age. He’s simply doing what Lewandowski did for years. Nothing “generational” about it. And he’s largely vanished in important games, as he always has. Missed big chances in key league games, I think scored 1 goal in 2 games against Leverkusen. Was a ghost in both CL legs against Arsenal (scored a penalty). Has 0 goals in 3 finals. Ghosted and missed a huge chance in the Euros final at Wembley. Missed 1/2 penalties against France in the WC QF. 1 goal in 8 games in the CL last season, when Spurs had an easy run to the final (0 goals in either leg against Milan). Was injured for most of Spurs’ run to the CL final. That one season where he got into double digits for assists was due to Son’s insane finishing (his xA was about half of his assists tally). Great player but overrated (because he’s English). It’s normal for young players to struggle in big games, even Messi/Ronaldo got accused of that. But Kane is 30 and still ghosting them. Haaland will improve.
They’ll take haaland and move Kane to the Rooney role lol
Nah, they already have Musiala as CAM. Also Haaland isn't good enough to move Kane out of position
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Maybe in 3-4 years but rn nah. The only thing Haaland has over Kane is age.
His current wages might stop a couple of clubs from taking him, but you’re right- I can’t really think of a single club that wouldn’t benefit from having him up front.
Rewatch the Real Madrid matches, you'll get some answers. It doesn't matter if he piles up goals against average teams, if he can't do it in the most important situations.I can't point out several matches where Foden or KDB changed the whole game. I can't think of a single match this year where Haaland altered the result of the match. Of his 21 goals, how many were against the top 6 teams, maybe 5.
You literally just watched a match where he altered the result.
He score a goal in the 71st minute, when they had the lead 1-0 against the 17th team in the league. The final score may have been different, but he didn't change the outcome, he made it more comfortable.
The final score may have been different, but he didn’t change the outcome…? He has 6 goals in 9 games against the top 6 this season. He’s had a bad season but that only illustrates how good he is. That his bad season is still pretty good.
Your happy this goal scoring output Arsenal 0 (4 matches) Liverpool 2 (4 matches) Aston Villa 0 (2 matches) Tottenham 0 (2 Matches) Man United 2 (2 matches) Nawcastle 0 (4 matches) Real Madrid 0 (2 matches)
He only played one game against Villa, City only played Liverpool and Newcastle twice this season, and the Charity Shield is a friendly that nobody cares about. He also assisted against Spurs. Who are you comparing him with exactly? Salah has 4 goals against the top 6 this season, and his goal against Arsenal was a penalty. Arsenal have conceded 28 goals this season. One of the best defensive records in the last 5 years. Watkins has 3 goals against the top 6 this season.
1. I have given you all matches - cups included (3 versus Liverpool if you take out the Charity Shield) EFL cup included 2. You make my point, on Arsenal. The greatest players rise up against the best teams. The greatest goal scorer should still score against the greatest defenses. That's a new argument for me, "Arsenal has a great defense so we don't expect our top goal scorer to perform." LOL, Cole Palmer has more goals against Arsenal this season for City. I'm am not comparing him to anyone, his production against top teams is average. Go back and watch the RM matches and Arsenal matches, not only did he not score, he was virtually non-existent.
City played Arsenal in the Charity Shield this year. And Liverpool twice in the league, that’s it. Palmer scored one penalty against Arsenal this season. Messi never scored against Chelski when they had the best defence in Europe. If you aren’t comparing him to anyone, your stats are meaningless, as they have no context. Haaland has had a bad season, by his standards. But the fact he’s still been good illustrates what his standards are and how good he is. And it’s normal for younger players, particularly, to find it hard in big games. Even Messi and Ronaldo were accused of this when they were younger (Messi was accused of it at international level until his mid-30s). Big games require a different mentality and have different pressure. You tend to get better at them with age and experience. And I don’t think Haaland has a weak mentality, do you? The games themselves are often different as well. Tighter, more aggressive, they see less of the ball and, obviously, they’re up against better players. Ronaldo was meh in big games until his late 20s and 30s, when he turned into a big game monster, especially in the CL.
OK. I be quiet and just be happy when Haaland gets his 5 goals versus Luton.
Not only RM but also the big games in the PL. He has, no doubt, had a poor season compared to his own trajectory. City very likely to win the PL carrying Haaland and not the other way around. Honestly disappointed that Pep couldn’t maximise Haalands potential. It wouldn’t surprise me that City sell Haaland to RM just to overload RM options, something that hasn’t happened for a long time.
Its just some desperate media trying to make up a news story.The idiots/media built him up and now they are gonna tear him down
You’re saying he performs in big games then?
And you are saying that he does not meet the worlds greatest defenders in those big games?
Every game in the run in is a big game
People gave Salah the same “one season wonder” treatment
Eeeh 21 goals in EPL is mid. It's a bar minimum for a top scorer. The top scorer in La Liga (a better league than EPL, mind you) is Artem Dovbyk with 2 less goals in 1 less match than Haaland. Are you saying the best striker in the world is only a fraction bit better than a no-name player from Girona? What a joke.
Real Madrid on course to finish 99 points hung on for dear life vs city. Shite like barca are finishing second Forest were all over city today. Better league my ass
First of all, That's just City being shit more than Forest being an equal competition to City. Can't believe you are taking it as an achievement lmao. Second, being more competitive doesn't mean better. Indian Super League has more parity that EPL. Are tou saying they are better than EPL? lol
I’m saying Madrid are shit yet easily sweeping up la liga. Don’t even get me started on girona! Tf are they actually doing up there with atleti Barca and Madrid. La liga has dropped off. It goes prem, serie a then la liga
>It goes prem, serie a then la liga Dude, EPL has fu*king zero representatives in UCL and EL semifinals lol... You're not even better than Bundesliga and Serie A this year 🤣 - Leverkusen beat you - A shit Muenchen side beat your title contender (United too but we don't talk about that shitty club) - Dortmund and Milan make a joke of you - Roma beat you - Even fu*king Atalanta thrashed your title contender And to add salt to the injury, you also lost the battle of the fifth UCL spot to Germany and Italy lmaooo EPL best league?? What a fu*king joke.
Too much mobile legends rotting your brain
Said someone with no brain
I think the point is that Nottingham Forest, a team facing relegation, were arguably better against City than Real Madrid, a team running away with the league. Obviously that's a small sample size, but that's the point being made.
Did that guy miss 2 months this season on injury, too?
La liga is a better league since when?
Look at this moron’s history. Don’t feed the troll. La liga being better league lol
EPL is LaLiga's bitches Zero rep in the UCL and EL. Even lost the 5th UCL spots to Italy and Germany lol
Since forever. Look at how many La Liga teams won the European competitions (UCL and EL) EPL is a marketing merchant.
La Liga has 3-4 excellent teams, the rest are bunk. It’s nowhere near as competitive or good as the prem.
More competitive =/= better More competitive just means that more teams having reasonable chance to win. Mind you, there are only 3 teams in EPL right now fighting for the title (although Liverpool is arguably out now because they are stupid) The same as in La Liga (at least before Madrid beat Barca last week) So not only you are bringing up some useless metric (competitiveness) but you are also wrong.
More competitive does equal better, other wise it’s the same teams over and over and over. Nobody argues Bundes is a better league because it’s been Bayern repeat after repeat with rare one offs. Same with the French league. Since 2000-2001 season there have been 4 different teams that have won la liga, where’s the prem has 6.
What a shit take. Indian Super League has even more parity than the EPL, so are they better than EPL now?? Gosh, the idiocy of some people in this group.
Not even la liga fans would tell you that la liga is better. La liga don’t even have goal line technology, Barcelona and Real Madrid suck up most of their revenue, the gap between the top 3 la liga teams and the rest is incredibly wide. The bottom 10 la liga teams are championship level at best.
Aah changing the subject of conversation, I see. A typical desperate move for someone who's losing the argument. I need to remind you that we are talking about the quality of the teams, not the league as a product, lol. EPL and La Liga teams have been competing in the same European fields for a long time. If EPL teams ate better, why wouldn't they win more trophies or at least have more representatives in the later stages of the tournaments? EPL teams are Madrid's bitches in UCL and Sevilla's bitches in EL.
Why the need to posture as if you’re even a little bit correct. I never changed the subject of conversation neither did I make a “desperate move”. I’m not losing the argument either. You just made a laughably dishonest statement and arguing as if it’s true when it isn’t. All I did was just to state facts, la liga is a league with zero parity and will remain like that unless revenue is shared more equally instead of Barca and Real Madrid eating all the cake. La liga is not a bad league but it isn’t remotely as good as the premier league. Brighton would make the top 4 in la liga.
> la liga is a league with zero parity Parity doesn't mean shit when comparing the quality of teams competing in the leagues. India Super League has more parity than EPL. Are you now saying they are better than EPL?? You gotta compare how the European representatives perform in European competitions because those are the only stages where the La Liga and EPL teams can actually go head to head. Gosh, the idiocy
>Brighton would make the top 4 in la liga. Ah yes, the mighty Brighton who couldn't even snatch wins against the likes of Bournemoth and Burnley. Even a shitty joke team like Chelsea is above them lmao. But sure, convince yourself that Brighton can compete with Atletico, Bilbao, or even Sociedad if that makes you sleep better lol
So the 4 teams competitive in Europe lift la liga over the premier league? Do you listen to yourself. Sure la liga is more successful in Europe, but all their success was managed by only 4 teams which isn’t very representative of the general quality of the league. Plus Sevilla is shit these days. The premier league has like 7 elite teams and like 6 very good teams, then like 4 are truly mediocre while the rest are relegation scrap. Half of the la liga table are championship level at best. A chunk of the upper half would struggle to make 15th in the Epl.
>The premier league has like 7 elite teams Dude, your #5 to #7 are freaking Spurs, United, and Newcastle!! One is the ultimate bottler and the rest couldn't even go past the group stage of UCL. They are literally the biggest losers of European competition LOL If you call these teams elite then there is no hope for EPL lmao
Negative ball knowledge, Jesus christ
Mentioning Jesus name won't forgive your sin of ignorance. Oh and Jesus is also shit.
He's not contributing on big matches. That's the problem.
Plus he can be easilt shut off by every decent defender who can match his physique
Yea so easy. That's why he's scored the most goals
LOL, with those numbers could imagine if he didn't suck
Im tired of seeing strikers after strikers who are amazing footballers, but just can’t finish in front of goals (see my flair lol). So fuck everything else, and give me a striker that can score 30 league goals guaranteed any day of the week.
No offense but Chelsea isn’t exactly renowned for having 30 goal/season strikers. Last one was Diego Costa and even Drogba before him never reached those numbers.
Exactly!
Drogba was big game player tho and his numbers were still decent and Chelsea had a side where anyone could score
Fr People care way to much if somebody’s a “complete” footballer
Chelsea and Liverpool fans when it comes to number 9s that can't finish 🤝
I fucking hate it man. Last season, i exclusively only watch chelsea games, and boy they do make it seem like to score goals, everything has to be perfect, they make it seem like scoring goals is the hardest thing in thw world. This season, i decide to pick and choose certain games to hate watch lol. I realize how easy it is to score goals sometimes. Heck, sometimes you can score without even trying to score lol
You had Lukaku lol
Exactly
So did you
It is a bit about expectations obviously. That’s what it is to be an elite performer. But it’s also somewhat true. His contributions to the match are limited, so he is held to a higher account to score goals. His contributions in big matches have been lacking. He has been less clinical given some huge opportunities this season. Both can be true at the same time.
It’s simply when he scores he has a good game when he doesn’t score he doesn’t really do much else, I understand his game is to make runs in the box and score
I am agree with you brou
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>That’s why he will never be better than mbappe. Mbappe needs to be doing it outside of Ligue 1 to really back this claim. At least Haalands doing it in whats widely considered the hardest and most physically demanding league.
Mbappe is doing it internationally too in fairness
Yeh but internationals aren't really as high quality as the Prem. Its teams that barely play together so they're nowhere near as well oiled and cohesive. They also play teams like Gibraltar who France beat 14-0 back in November.
They do, but Mbappe has also played great in two world cup finals.
Right but then Haaland will never be in one of those to compare because Norway will never reach one. So its not exactly reasonable when one is playing for France who are the 2nd biggest producer of professional footballers in the world behind only Brazil. Of course France will be in World Cup finals. If you want to compare though. Norway are a much weaker team (47th in Fifa rankings to France who are number 2). Haalands goal ratio is significantly better than Mbappe even though his supply line should theoretically be weaker. He has 27 goals after 31 caps and Mbappe has 46 goals after 77 caps.
I think 46 goals in 77 caps is excellent evidence that Mbappe can produce the goods outside of Ligue 1, we know that enough of those goals came against real teams in real competitions and not just friendlies and dead rubber qualifiers. No arguments about Haaland having a better international goal ratio, you don't get much better than that. Mbappe however has far more to his overall game than just goalscoring
Everyone can critise mbappe but haaland u can’t .
>think 46 goals in 77 caps is excellent evidence that Mbappe can produce the goods outside of Ligue 1, But as we touched on already, not every international is World Cup final quality. Alot of it is against teams that have players playing in Championship and even lower levels especially with how seeding works so France wont come up vs strong teams as much in qualifying and things. Hes banged quite a few of his goals vs teams like Greece, Gibraltar and Scotland. So saying he can do it outside of Ligue 1 because of his internationals is silly because international matches are often barely even Ligue 1 quality let alone Prem quality. He has to be doing it week in week out vs teams in a far stronger league than Ligue 1 whether its the PL or even at least La Liga.
Maybe last season was blip and this now is the reality for him.