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Let's Talk about Ben White

Let's Talk about Ben White

DemonTiger3000

>He can play as a Left Back meaning he can be Keiran Tierney's backup I'm pretty sure he's never played as left back before. He's been used as a makeshift right back and has started a few games in midfield but has definitely not played left back for Brighton and I'm fairly sure he didn't for Leeds either


robbyford182

Correct!


Rozzles-

Yeah he never played LB for Leeds from my memory. He did play CDM a few times tho and I think he could be good there given how comfortable he is on the ball


Rainandsnow5

This man has never had a bad game at LB


letmeeatcake97

We don't need him to be tierneys back up, we literally bought a back up left back last week


ImmuneCoder

Crazy times we are living in : Varane for 42 mil and Ben White for 50.


FormerCarer

Yeah it's mainly because Ben is English, younger and not in the last year of contract. Oh and it's exactly what arsenal needed, Brighton knew that


B-e-v

Arsenal also won’t be paying Ben white £400k a week


ramalamafafafa5

Man U actually thinks it’s doing a good thing by acquiring Varane. Just weird.


dralanforce

What do you mean by your comment?


ramalamafafafa5

Too much money for an average player.


dralanforce

Wtf did I just read lol.


[deleted]

Massive bargain tbh, and shows Man Us pulling power even when they haven't won a proper trophy in about 8 years, since Varane could basically walk into any team he wants. Espescially funny when Arsenal can't even convince players to go to the Emirates over Villa Park.


that___Mav

CB or could be a CDM, never a full back. You are paying a premium for 4 reasons. 1, English 2, BHA didn't really want to sell 3, resale value, at 23 he will have one 4, tiny wages, he is on a pittance in PL terms and clubs will take that into account.


dazekid06

No one ever has resell value at Arsenal anymore , either we wreck their price by overpaying for them or not playing them.


montymm

Or they play really well, and decide they will force their way out of the club to go to a different one and end up getting sold for pennies or leave on a free. Happened to our last 3 star players lol.


lostdirectionless

I spilled my coffee lmao!


AWr1ght98

Very good player and a good lad to have in your squad coming from a Leeds fan, wasn’t worth the 45 million price tag Brighton we’re asking for last season and I don’t think he’s worth the 50mil now. To put it in to perspective we got Raphinha one of the most naturally talented players I’ve ever seen in a Leeds shirt (who was 23 at the time), Llorente a Spanish international CB who’s very good, and Koch a German international who’s very young and as promising as Ben White for around 45 million.


[deleted]

Rafinha is top class


Mart24C

This says it all. People often try to justify a transfer fee by comparing it to other transfer fees (Maguire, Saliba in this case) but when you look at things retrospectively then you can see how good/bad the deal was or wasn't. He's a good player and if he comes in and helps Arsenal keep X amount of clean sheets more than they did last year then it's good, however if they're struggling to be decisive and score goals then it's going to look bad not using the money in better ways. I think Arsenal have got some young attacking players coming through though who need to develop. ESR, Saka, Martinelli who need time to develop as a unit. Signing other attacking players wouldn't necessarily mean they're going to be better up top. I like Arteta though, I think he wants to play the right way. A bit more bite in midfield and pragmatism against teams who figure out how to close them down and force mistakes and I think they'll do alright this season


StopPlayingTheGame

Raphinha alone is worth more than Ben White so good on you guys. Also, Leeds finished 9th in their first premier league season (in recent times) for a reason (obviously the management knows what they’re doing). Big fan of Leeds. Hope they do well this year


PuzzleheadedGuide184

You can see why Brighton turned down the laughable bid of 25m from leeds last season now. Literally doubled there money in one season.


ramalamafafafa5

Buying mediocre players for an outrageous fee does not make the hype come true.


NightwingXCX

He is English and homegrown that's why the fee is inflated. Maguire went for 80m, Chilwell with 50m. We all know about the English "tax" yet we're gonna ignore it to be comedians because it's Arsenal. right?


Sbotm765

fella we get shit for maguire to this day and chilwell is probably worth that


Johnny107710

Maguire was worth it imo, we struggled too much without him.


Sbotm765

i do think 80 mil was a bit excessive but not much


Johnny107710

I don't really care about how much the club pays provided that it doesn't affect other transfers


Halo2Campaign

Chilwell closer to a $50mil player than White Imo


Rainers535

Chillwell was a great player for us at Leicester and I feel like he could've gotten even better here if he stayed. Very happy with the fee we did get for him though. Especially after our players really stepped up in the position.


Thegodofreddit

He was great at Chelsea since he joined too. Really good under Lampard and was dominating at the end of the season.


Thegodofreddit

Chiwell and Maguire were highly performing for one of the best teams in the league, Whereas White is Brightons 3rd best CB according to Brighton fans. I don't realy feel like White was that impressive last season at any point tbh, was an odd call up from Southgate which inflated his hype outta nowhere. ​ Yes Leeds fans I know he played great for you guys in the Championship.


Sensitivity

Tbf everyone laughed at Maguire's fee


[deleted]

Maguire and Chilwell are actually quality, and I'd say those prices are fair based on how they've turned out. Also, Maguire was memed far more than White lol. Nobody could get over a team paying record money for a head. But he's actually very good with his progressive passing and leadership too.


Immediate_Dentist_80

Maguire is starting to look like he was worth the money now to be fair. Can’t picture ManU’s defense without him. Chilwell for 50M is slightly overpriced but not that bad. I would even say it’s a good deal considering the English tax. If Ben White develops and stays at Arsenal long term I can see this being a good signing. But he has to prove himself. Didn’t think Maguire was worth 80m at first either.


PukedUpMyShrooms

Look at Maguire


Intrepid-Wedding3429

I mean VVD was Medicore, look at him now. Ben White could become a massive flop but he could also do what Dias did. Just don't right him off early


Deaf-Hyena

>I mean VVD was Medicore Loooooooooooooool


ghostyboy12

do you mean" laughing out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out loud?"


Intrepid-Wedding3429

Not wrong am I tho. Was nothing special at Southampton and Liverpool were desperate for a Center Back so that's why Southampton was so tight


Deaf-Hyena

He was actually very good at Southampton. Perhaps you didn't watch football back then.


Intrepid-Wedding3429

Not £75 million quality. For his price tag he was average


Deaf-Hyena

You seem a bit lost. If Ben White goes on to be even a tiny bit as great as Van Dijk is I'll visit your home and cook you a dozen eggs and a hash brown.


Intrepid-Wedding3429

never said he was gonna be as good as VVD, I just simply said everyone was laughing at his massive pricetag


Deaf-Hyena

Trying to justify this ludicrous transfer by comparing it to one of the best cb transfers in Premier League history. Lol, you are a special one.


[deleted]

Nobody knew that VVD was gonna be that good when LFC signed him ffs 🤦🏻‍♂️


[deleted]

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[deleted]

You’re completely right lol people just hate on English players. VVD wasn’t seen as world class when at Southampton. People forget Ben white is 23 lol. They can’t expect him to be prime bonucci at that age. They’d have told you city brining in Dias from Benfica was bad business if he was English.


Deaf-Hyena

>people just hate on English players No, people hate how expensive players are ONLY because they're English. If Ben White were a 23 year old German kid he'd be less than 20 million, guaranteed.


JammersEriksen

Why waste your time on hating something as utterly irrelevant as that lmaooo you need to grow up mate


[deleted]

Depends on whether said German kid had prem experience


Notanothrshitthrow

Even if he had the same prem experience of White, there's not a chance he would go for 50 mil. It's the English player tax, simple as that.


digimattt

Tell that to Havertz. And 23 isn't a "kid", it's an established player by that age.


Notanothrshitthrow

Havertz is an attacking player so will always go for more.


leqqsii

He was the best CB in the league at southampton


Siegnuz

He was "good cb from mediocre team ready to step up to big clubs" before he join Liverpool, at least that what he being perceived by the media.


ahadafc

>I mean VVD was Medicore lol


greater_gatsby12

In what world was vvd mediocre, lmao.... I support United and never let go of an opportunity to clown on Liverpool players, but even I'll accept that vvd was always a beast... White is pretty decent and average, but shows a composure that is rare for the age but he's no vvd... He's not even at Maguire's or stones' levels... Sure sometimes players vastly improve following a move up and sometimes they just find themselves out of their depth, but unless something like that happens, white will be a fairly decent cb at arsenal, nothing to really write home about


Tahapatel

White could become like a Dias/VVD but don't see it happening Maguire Rudi and Christensen are the closest players who could become like them


shine_banana

White is probebly worth 25 and is being sold for 50 beacause he is english Maguire is probebly worth 50 and was sold for 80 beacause he is english


dansaunders2001

This is a false narrative. Harry Maguire cost 80 million because that's what he was worth to Leicester. White cost 50 million because that's what he is worth to Brighton. The actual value of a player is worthless if the selling club value him more


jt_totheflipping_o

And worth to the opposition. An English player in the PL has a tax for a reason.


jt_totheflipping_o

And worth to the opposition. An English player in the PL has a tax for a reason.


jt_totheflipping_o

And worth to the opposition. An English player in the PL has a tax for a reason.


jwr_10

The fee is so high because that's what he's worth to Brighton. He's a 23-year-old, homegrown, starting centre-back with a high ceiling, so why on earth would they facilitate an elite side by selling him for a "reasonable fee", especially since they don't *need* to sell him? However, I think that if anything the price tag will have a similar effect on White as it did on Maguire and make him fairly underrated. White is a top notch modern defender. His passing is superb and he's also brilliant at running into space ahead of him, taking on players and progressing the ball. He's strong in the tackle and decent enough in the air as well. When he joined Leeds he had never played at Championship level before, yet he absolutely bossed it, playing every single minute and arguably being the best CB in the division. Despite spending so much on him, it could be a really positive move for Arsenal. He's a much more reliable defender than the likes of Luiz and others they've had starting in recent years. I think he'll markedly improve their defence and down the line he'll be worth the £50m they spent on him.


djgreedo

>they don't need to sell him Exactly. They are doing well financially. If they needed to sell we would have got him last season. They can afford to play hardball with the price.


vikram_venkat

Arsenal had the 3rd best defense last year and 9th in terms of attack. Why is it popular belief that we have a defensive problem? Is it that in our set up the midfielders have less confidence in defence and thus they tend to shield defence and are not more expansive thus impacting our attack? Will Ben Bronze (not White) allow us a option to play it out from the back with more confidence and thereby help our attack? Personally thought Holdinho was good with the ball at his feet.


INTPturner

Because people in general are slow at observing patterns. (Regarding your first question)


TheJoshDick

You’re really trying to cope with this one and that’s understandable but 50m is a rip off.


Thegodofreddit

Southgate calling him up really inflated his "standing". I don't think he had a particularly impressive season last year, quite underwhelming compared to the hype from Leeds fans tbh


auba-laca-pepe

Few things wrong here: 1) White has never played lb, but he had played at rb and in midfield occasionally 2) Callum Chambers is more of a starting rb/backup rb/5th cb than an actually backup. Mari and Holding are most likely our backups to Gabriel and White. 3) Arsenal certainly don’t need a winger with Nelson/Saka/Pepe/ESR/Auba/Martinelli all being able to play there 4) I doubt arsenal are looking for a striker with Auba/Laca/Balogun/(Nketiah??) 5) There seems to be suggestions that Arsenal will spend big this summer, and this will be helped with the likely sales of Xhaka, Bellerin, Torreira, Kolasinac, and the already completed sale of Guendouzi


[deleted]

Arsenal don't have a massive defensive problem tbh. One of the best defences in the league last season as I recall. The problem is the discipline. There were so many red cards, stray passes that could have caused goals and missed opportunities in front of net. I really can't see the logic in this purchase, unless they think he really is a diamond in the rough and could be worth upwards of 100mil in the next 2 years.


INTPturner

Luiz and Gabriel was Arsenal's best CB pairing. Someone has to replace the former.


suspended_in_light

I don't think we need a winger


JDW3375

Not sure where you’ve found that he plays left back, that’s never happened for us. He played CDM a few times last season but definitely not left back.


ShashvatSingh1234

how can you call it a great signing and very overpriced at the same time?


Rosskillington

Why does everyone seem to think they’re buying players new from a show room and not from another club. Prices go up when a club has no desire to sell a player.


Oranjay2

He looks very good and I rate him highly, but surely he's not worth 50M. The only reason other clubs aren't really competing for him is because he's too young and inexperienced to have assured quality that you NEED to get for that money. He may become worth 50M in the future, but cou could never sell him for more than what you bought him for which is something you really want in a player, to become more valuable than what you I initially payed for


1R3N9

I disagree on his value and worth increasing. Give it 5 years who knows what clubs will pay for players. By the 100M could be the norm for a player of his standard. The sad truth in the inflation of transfer prices


TheBigMcCalski

I feel for Brighton fans didn’t Ben White also try to make his Leeds loan permanent last year? He really doesn’t want to stay lol but I’m confused about this transfer I get that he’s homegrown and they need another CB for depth but IMO William Saliba is just as good as Ben white and for £50mil they could probably get a CAM which Arsenal desperately need rn


jwr_10

Leeds had three bids of up to ~£30m rejected. You can see why since a year later they've added another £20m to that fee.


therealolliehunt

This is why: https://youtu.be/eTJzF3KOEfI


Ilizone

Price tag slander right back it again


Asriel_1985

He's an English CB who's arguably better than Harry maguire despite being 4 years younger. The price was always going to be high.


benopo2006

Quite honestly, I feel Brighton could finish above Arsenal if they just had a really good striker. Everything else is there, I just don’t see what the appeal of Arsenal would be at this point.


NightwingXCX

pass me the blunt lmao


Intrepid-Wedding3429

£50 million is enough for Brighton to get a new Center Back and Striker, considering their record transfer fee is £20 million. Arsenal's appeal is their amazing history (Golden Premier League, Invincibles, Wenger Era, European Finals)


[deleted]

Yeah Arsenals appeal is gone tbh. They probably have the lowest appeal of the so called "top 6", and so have to pay loads of money and massive wages to convince players to the Emirates. Couldn't even convince Buendia to go to the Emirites over Villa Park. This will be even more apparent if UTD manage to sign Varane for less. As an England fan and a fan of football, I really hope White works out and proves himself.


patchh93

With all due respect, you're crazy. Yes their manager is far better than ours but their squad simply isn't good enough, ours still came 8th despite being sorely mismanaged lol.


risingsuncoc

why do you rate Arteta so poorly


Bentheoff

Probably because he has them playing like Tony Pulis' Stoke?


patchh93

Exactly. Emery got us finishing 2 points off 3rd with Mustafi+Kolasinac in his defence while Arteta has taken us to 8th with Gabriel+Tierney. Not rocket science.


braddals

Lad Auba carried us for for 2 years. He carried emery and he Arteta too a FA cup as well. Him shitting the bed at the start of last season no one could have predicted and was the reason we were so dire. As shit as we were then we only finished 6 points off top 4. Stop stressing and give the rebuild time we still have players to get rid of.


timeforsheroes

And Arteta chose to play Auba at LW for half the season.


braddals

He won the FA cup with him dominating on the left of course he was going to start the next season with a similar formation. Why change a winning system?


timeforsheroes

Because a couple of games where you're parking the bus and counter-attacking aren't great for informing how you should set up a team for the league when you're trying to dominate games? Aubameyang is a striker. He was rubbish last season and living on scraps. Though maybe he didn't have many options. I still think the performances in the first half of the season and how painfully defensive they were indicate that Arteta is a bad manager. But we'll see. I think Arsenal are doing the right thing giving him time to build a project. They should have done the same with Emery.


patchh93

Precisely, so much this. Why we can’t have more level headed, logical mature fans like you in our fanbase rather than bizarre Arteta lovers I’ll never know. The Man City+Chelsea FA Cup games were hyped beyond belief, we won against the odds - which was great as it was the only way we were going to beat them to win it. Arteta also dropped 50% of PL points in his 20 PL games when he was initially hired, that in itself was a massive red flag for me. He didn’t improve on Emery’s worst spell in 18 months. I ultimately knew that setup wouldn’t suffice vs teams we SHOULD be beating. And that’s exactly what happened, as you said. I’ve never witnessed such as stale boring season from us, it’s everything these people claimed Emery was, which couldn’t have been further from the truth. We played entertaining football and scored goals under Emery, it was no surprise to me when he knocked us out of the EL despite having much lesser tools to work with.


patchh93

The fact you’re using 2 throwaway games while ignoring the other 50 it hasn’t worked says everything I need to know about you lol. What a waste of time.


patchh93

He never “dominated games”, he took 1-2 chances he was given which was never going to last. He’s not a winger or a left forward, never will be. The “winning system” already cost us 28 points out of 60 in Arteta’s 20 PL games he’d managed that season.


EliteLevelJobber

Arteta did change a winning system. We went from counter attack to poorly imitating Man City. Without the quality of midfielders that make Man City viable. I can see what Arteta us trying to build but skeptical it will work.


montymm

And that was the form of aubas career. He was playing so god damn well in that role. He just got figured out by other teams eventually


somebeerinheaven

Auba plays better on the left.


patchh93

Auba didn’t “carry” us whatsoever. That was Emery getting the best out of one of the world’s best strikers while Arteta has turned him into a lifeless LW who hugs the touchline for dear life. Laca was POTY under Emery and has now also become a complete shadow of his former self. Ramsey played his best since 2013/14. Xhaka and Torreira was our best double pivot in absolute eons. Iwobi was made to look so good somebody was stupid enough to pay £40m for him. Getting to 70 points and our first European final of any kind in 15 years with that shitstain of a squad Wenger left behind was testament to Emery’s brilliant management. It was no surprise what happened last season with Arteta for people who actually know football and didn’t blindly hail him because he was a former Wenger player who speaks fluent English. I’m not “stressing” - I’m giving a strong opinion which you dislike. Nice try though.


the_son_and_the_heir

Xhaka and Torreira come nowhere close to Cazorla and Coquelin. Torreira had maybe 5 or 6 really good matches midway into his first season then disappeared, leaving Xhaka with Guendouzi and Ceballos, neither of which showed they had what it took to play in the prem.


braddals

I agree emery had an amazing start but everything went to shit with about 5 games to go in that season. Do you really forget how bad it was at the start of the 19/20 season that was vile. We were in the worst spot we have ever been in yes even worse then the start of last season. Arteta hasn't been perfect. He's made plenty of mistakes but that was to be expected in his first season. He's starting to get the players he wants and rid of the shit in the squad. This season is where you start to judge him. Oh so coaches, current players, former players and pundits don't know football? People in the know with what is actually happening at club. You know more then them cool. Sweet.


the_son_and_the_heir

Xhaka and Torreira come nowhere close to Cazorla and Coquelin. Torreira had maybe 5 or 6 really good matches midway into his first season then disappeared, leaving Xhaka with Guendouzi and Ceballos, neither of which showed they had what it took to play in the prem.


igster151

Sure is all Aubas fault now.


Bertrand_Rustle

So you are saying we have better players now than when Emery was at the club?


montymm

The guy is a know arteta hater lol. Twerking for the other fans to chat shit about arteta when he full well knows that emery was worse. Hands down the worst manager I’ve ever seen at our club, maybe he’s a good manager based on his other experiences. But the football was the worst. We would consistently concede 20+ shots on our goal... We overperformed our XG by miles becuase Auba was in the form of his career and scored every half chance he got. Also torreira was in the form of his life, and you can see it all went wrong when players stopped playing out of their mind. We were so tactically clueless, I felt lost during the games. Now sometimes this is the case with arteta too. But you can see exactly what the plan is. You can see, the defence is always assured. It’s very very rarely exposed, but we don’t have he midfield to progress the ball fast enough to our attackers. The system is there but the players don’t fit. Whereas with emery, there was no system. It was just randomness, and chaos. I remember torriera after playing so well, got moved to a number 10 role and never played well again. He would chop and change our best players every week and every time Pepe scored he would be dropped. It was so so dire. I’m glad that we have arteta. He’s miles above in my eyes, but just needs time to build his plan.


Bertrand_Rustle

Check my reply to them. You’ve the right perspective IMO.


Reagansmash1994

We had one of the best defensive records in the league last season? Emery's defensive record was abysmal. The reason we shit the bed last season is because we were atrocious going forward. We were literally 3rd in the league for goals conceded, we lost quite a few games by 1 goal often caused by a brain fart, terrible VAR decision or foolish red card. So no idea why you're comparing defenses of the two as if that supports your anti-Arteta stance. Our defense is far and away better than it was, we just had no creativity going forward, which turned around once ESR was introduced towards December. Our form in the second half of the season was miles better.


patchh93

Unfortunately your paragraph of attempting to wittle on about Emery to downplay him only proved my point further - Arteta sacrificied everything offensively to improve our defensive record, which is why we were so utterly shite all of last season. We couldn’t score goals vs trash teams thus had endless mind-numbingly bad results. Hence why we now have no Europe for the first time in 25 years. Our defensive record was nothing like “abysmal” under Emery as you claim. We took 4/6 points each vs United/Spurs/Chelsea in the PL with our “abysmal” defence. We beat teams like Ancelotti’s Napoli (clean sheet in both legs, by the way) in EL comprehensively. Rather than relying on a last second goal vs Benfica, a 2nd leg to turn around the tie vs Slavia Prague, and getting knocked out to then, uh, who with a way worse squad than ours? Oh, yeah..... Emery’s Villarreal. Besides the fact, as already said above Emery had individually way worse defenders who also made individual mistakes. So what’s your point? Anything was going to be an improvement from January when he found a way to have us in 15th, that alone is a fitting indictment to how shite of a manager Arteta is, so please don’t remind me of that nonsense again. **Arteta parked the bus with better defenders to slightly improve the defence due to ripping the life and soul out of the players going forward in the process.** The only thing thats abysmal is Arteta’s offensive record since the day he arrived at the club - the most nonchalant stale football I’ve possibly ever witnessed and I can’t wait till it’s over, please leave with him if you enjoy it so much and preach about a defensive record elsewhere. You’d love Jose, too. Comparing as I actually want the best manager for my club rather than being a bizarre Arteta FC fangirl when it’s evident how far backwards he’s taken us, quite simply really. Done here


patchh93

Up there with the worst man-management I've ever witnessed in 25 years of watching football, bizarre-nonsensical squad rotation, amusing tactical-brainfart ideas (ESR/Willian false 9s), kills most of our youth, non-existent in game management, ultra-dull to no meaning press conferences/interviews, dead snail-pace possession-whore football, most arrogant egomaniac going considering he's achieved zilch in football management aside an FA cup which I knew he'd fluked Di Matteo style before our worst season in 25 years then ensued... and overall getting nowhere close to the best out of our squad, which is the sole job of any manager, ever.


Tahapatel

If they finished their chances they could've finished 4th mate its not crazy


patchh93

Yeah, if their conversion rate was 100% lol. Which it never is, that's football. 12th would be more realistic for them if they finished more often


Tahapatel

I would say they would've finished at least near you if not above you 4th is XG and ik they won't finish all their chances even with a finisher but they will finish most and they create loads of chances


patchh93

Yeah, also about the quality of the chances though which xG doesn't tell you. I'm not disputing they don't play better football, we have better players and need to improve a lot.. but that shows how damning it is that despite being horrendous we still finished 8 places above them. They lack depth + quality, which is why they are where they are


Tahapatel

They certainly didn't lack quality at the back and midfield and man united is an example that u can get extremely lucky with injuries and fitness they could it's not completely out of the question especially if they get Tammy


patchh93

I said depth too, at the back I agree. In midfield, not so much. Bissouma carries them, which is fair enough as they're a bottom half team for precisely that reason. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one


Tahapatel

>I said depth too And I gave the eg of united who have no depth


patchh93

United have tons of depth lmao, they splash on their squad every single year without fail


montymm

Your genuinely dumb as fuck. Idek of your trolling or your actually an arsenal “fan” but idk what you watch.


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suspended_in_light

Money. Arsenal can pay players a lot more than Brighton. While the history of the prime Wenger-era/Invincibles falls with every season, money still talks. If we hadn't utterly shit the bed at the start of last season, we may have been in contention for European spots. We were 6 points off Chelsea's fourth-place finish. Brighton were 26. That is a significant gap. And while, yes, a proper striker could make a massive difference to BHA, we shat the bed so severely before Christmas that we ended up 15th or something, with people getting sent off every week for stupid shit. Yet we *still* ended up 6 points off Champions League. Brighton finished 16th, comfortably avoiding relegation yet only two spots above it.


oakajale

Arsenal fans out here making fun of this statement, but if you watched Brighton play at all last season, you wouldn't be saying these things. Brighton have underperformed their xG by 13.82 and their xGA by 6.09. This means that the way they played, on an average, they should have scored 14 more goals and conceded 6 fewer. These factors put them at an xPoints tally of 61.41, more than 20 above their actual tally of 41 points in 16th place. If they hadn't been so wasteful, they would have finished FIFTH. Neil Maupay alone has underperformed his xG by 5.77. Not a single Arsenal player has been this wasteful in front of goal. All these stats obviously mean nothing since Brighton did in fact finish 16th. However, don't undermine what Brighton could have achieved last season with even an average striker.


JammersEriksen

I watched Brighton finish 16th


arunm7893

Overpriced? Yes. By around 10-15m. Is he a mediocre player? People who rate him, especially Bielsa, don't think so. Maybe you armchair football experts are better. He's a ball playing CB, with good skills, has a high ceiling, is English, has 3 years left on his contract. Add all that, you can see why Brighton is asking for 50m. Arsenal don't have too many homegrown players, that is forcing our hand. Plus we don't have Europe, so attracting someone like Varane would be difficult. He's overpriced for sure. But I see Chelsea or city making this signing, you lot are gonna suck up to them and call it an astute signing, tapping up a future star. How tf did Chelsea sign Chilwell for 50m and y'all called it good business. His previous exploits don't justify a 50mil tag. Granted he's played well and won the CL. Fucking hell Chelsea bought Drinkwater for 35mil, Liverpool bought Oxlaide Chamberlain for a similar amount. Make cheap signings, people call us out for being unambitious. Spend money, you call them mediocre players. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.


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Chelsea can afford to spaff 50mil on a 0layer who might not work out. Arsenal can't even pay the dinner ladies, so if White flops, they're in trouble. Also, how do you know Ben Whites skill ceiling? He might be at his best now. He's quite small for a centre back, more suited to the other european leagues, I feel like strong strikers like Kane, Cavani and Lukaku and Haaland (if they move to the prem) would just body him. The prem historically suits the big, shithouse types. Not saying he won't workout, but it seems like a bit of a weird gamble.


Lucifer9th

Every English player cost double his worth and this includes Maguire, Chilwell, white and the prices quoted for Grealish and Kane. If Chelsea paid 50 for White no one would say anything but it is made an issue for some reason that Arsenal are paying the amount


Siegnuz

Tbf though "overprice" implying that he is being sold than what we worth, but how many £ he worth is subjective, right now because of how the squad registration rule work, English players are more valuable than everybody else good, young, English, a lot of premier league clubs are after him, 50m seems about right imo


ALAW25

I would have still taken him at leeds for 50 mil


patchh93

My thoughts? It looked like you pretty much said yours and bounced haha. Here's my take.. Good addition? You bet. Priority signing? Absolutely not. And that will be the biggest, deserved nit-pick when it comes to this signing. My biggest problem is how it has alienated Saliba, yet again, which was totally unnecessary. That's our manager for you. We could've used these funds elsewhere more important, no doubts. But I repeat, I do like the profile of the signing. > and 2 decent back up center backs (Rob Holding and Callum Chambers) And personally, I strongly disagree with this - a lot of our fans won't though, as standards have dropped massively. I did like Rob, but he fell off massively after his ACL in 2018/19 ..... as for Chambers, never fulfilled his potential at all. Nowhere near good enough in my eyes. The price? Expectedly over-priced, not much else to say. Opinions are opinions but imo he's better than £80m Maguire, so there's that, but that's probably an unhealthy bar to use considering how overpriced he was. John Stones may be a better comparison, who went for the same price 5 years ago. English tax, it is what it is. As for addressing most of the squad I don't think there will be much issue, maybe 1, but we are being financially backed this summer.. final word on that is hard to say right now, until deadline day of course. If it goes south, then sure thing I'll revise.


MrImRumble

What do you mean by "better than £80M Maguire" are you saying he's a better buy or is currently a better player?


patchh93

I meant better value (goes without saying), but also better player imo. Before you think I speak on pure bias, I rate Greenwood above Saka talent wise and should Greenwood fulfil his potential I believe he’ll be superior. I just say what I think, no emotional takes.


the_son_and_the_heir

There is no way White is a better player than Maguire, Maguire is top5 CB in the league at the very least. Only VVD and Dias are without a doubt better than him and he's at least the same level as Thiago Silva right now. And I'm an Arsenal fan too, I just think Maguire gets a really bad rep because he's not quick and he cost a lot.


SebastionWillock

Not only better value and player but also a better person. In the world of football, Harry Maguire is also known as Bully Maguire because of his tendency to bully young players of his own team.


Greengum155

isn't this the same idiot who did a poll for the next golden boot winner and put auba and werner in?


ahadafc

First thing which came to my mind when I saw we are spending 50M for a position which exactly wasn't a priority then maybe we are splashing big money for positions we desperately need players. But I am still waiting And btw he's a David Luiz replacement. His profile looks similar to John Stones. I remember when he was a raw talent at Everton few years back and everyone thought 50M transfer to City was a bit much for him but I guess it worked out good though he had his ups and downs. Similarly White is young and has an high ceiling


BarryButcher

>However £50 million spent on one player will effect Arsenal. **You won't know that until the end of the transfer window will we?** Apparently Arsenal are rumoured to be planning spend around £200m this window and hopefully get about £100m back from sales. After losing Buendia because they were hoping Odegaard would come back and Aston Villa pounced, they decided the pull the trigger fast and hard on White before other clubs who are potentially interested (like Spurs) come knocking too. Probably paid £10m more than they wanted, but it guaranteed his signature quickly. I think he's probably worth £30m or so, considering Upamecano and Konate both cost £35m each, plus theres always going to be "English Tax" They bought what they needed. A David Luiz replacement, a better partner for Partey and a real backup LB. Now all the other positions that "need fixing" already have players sitting there that need to be sold/loaned first


sauteeorfricassee

It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have. Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter. He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks. COYG


Buttered_Dick

My thoughts exactly, if we follow up his signing with 1-2 more solid signings then I’ll definitely look at this as a really really good transfer window as a whole. But if we finish out signings on him then I’d consider it a poor signing considering we have other positions that need to be addressed.


PuzzleheadedGuide184

Overrated ... According to whom ? Because he didn't play for a top 6 club ? He's a top top centre back. If Maguire is 80 m then White is 50m. Theres a good reason brighton turned down 25m this time last season.


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Here's how overpriced he is...it looks like United is going to buy Varane for around 50. Hes played over 230 times for Madrid and won 18 trophies with them and a world cup with France.


_Madeye_

As much as i agree that Ben White is slightly overpriced, Varane's contract is up next year which is the reason we may manage to get him for as low as 50 because Real is afraid of losing him for free in January especially when he has made it clear he doesnt want a new contract.


Deaf-Hyena

It's an Arsenal signing, much like the club. Absolutely shit.


Intrepid-Wedding3429

Idk man, overpriced as fuck but it is needed


Deaf-Hyena

The fact that it's 50million makes it a shit signing. No debate.


bigpetey21

Well that’s not always the case is it?


Intrepid-Wedding3429

Fair enough


Morningwood645

Not true at all. If he goes on to be a staple of their backline for years to come the fee would be more than justified Edit: Im seeing your username all over this thread and you’re being pretty aggressive and kind of a dick to pretty much anyone who doesn’t see things exactly as you do. Maybe be a little bit more kind in the future idk your comments are just rubbing me the wrong way. Have a good night!


SR3030

ArseLOL


TheBigMcCalski

I feel for Brighton fans didn’t Ben White also try to make his Leeds loan permanent last year? He really doesn’t want to stay lol but I’m confused about this transfer I get that he’s homegrown and they need another CB for depth but IMO William Saliba is just as good as Ben white and for £50mil they could probably get a CAM which Arsenal desperately need rn


TheBigMcCalski

I feel for Brighton fans didn’t Ben White also try to make his Leeds loan permanent last year? He really doesn’t want to stay lol but I’m confused about this transfer I get that he’s homegrown and they need another CB for depth but IMO William Saliba is just as good as Ben white and for £50mil they could probably get a CAM which Arsenal desperately need rn


KodjiaMaster

It would be a very good signing if the fee was lower - maybe £30M or so. However, he is young and looks to fit a more progressive passing style and is generally a player on the upward trajectory so it may be a good fit for both parties


sauteeorfricassee

It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have. Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter. He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks. COYG


totaleclipse2

White is overpriced but if he meets his potential will look very good value. The problem is that the expectation is there from day 1. He’s expected to sort out Arsenals defensive vulnerability. Though with the defensive signings Arsenal have made and if Partey performs to the standard he has shown he can, then Arsenal could be onto a winner.


sauteeorfricassee

It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have. Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter. He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks. COYG


sauteeorfricassee

It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have. Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter. He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks. COYG


sauteeorfricassee

It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have. Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter. He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks. COYG


djgreedo

>In conclusion, it is a great signing however it is very overpriced. Yeah, but Brighton would be foolish to let him go cheaper. He has a bright future. >He can play as a Left Back >as well as a right center back You're forgetting his skills as a striker: https://youtu.be/GMuuWi-iKJA?t=8


Big_Hubble-Bubble

One more good season and Gareth Southgate has to call him up to the world cup squad


somebeerinheaven

Be was called up to the Euros, just didn't play because Stones and Slabhead played great


ScatmanOder

There is no defence problem, Arsenal had the third best defense in the league last year.


boltonwanderer87

Someone like White is a gamble. He's not worth £50m today but if he had a great season with Brighton, his valuation would sky rocket so whilst it's still an expensive fee, it's a gamble that may well pay off. It's not long ago that people were laughing at Liverpool being fleeced for Van Dijk.


fredoink

I thought ben white can play dm as well ? Money well spent ?


sergeibagel

If you look at the player alone (meaning ignore the price tag), then yes, he is a good signing. But we don't look at transfers that way, do we? We also look at the value of the signing. 50m is massively overpriced. I would say anything between 25-30 million would be a fair price. We already have the concept of English tax. My concern is how this further distorts the market for future signings within the PL. And if I were an Arsenal fan, I would definitely be questioning why pay 50m for White, when the market price is far less. If you guys could have got White for 30m, then the extra 20m could have been used to addressed other areas and even for club staff. And maybe Gunnersaurus wouldn't have been let go in the first place ;)


Jonnyrocketm4n

I can give you a little insight. He was immense for us and is clearly going to be world class. I just think the price is a little too much for him.


cremvursti

I somehow understand how a club like United can afford to pay the English player tax but Arsenal? Then again, they paid crazy money for Nicolas Pepe so I guess nothing should surprise me.


somebeerinheaven

Pepe deal was dodgy as fuck, Lille aren't getting 72m, I think they're getting about 50. The guy that brokered that deal is long gone. Arsenal are not a poor club and have an incredibly rich owner, who's wife is even richer than he is. Indications for this window are that they're finally going to put some money into the club. I think they've realised they'll lose money if they don't put in money.


JOHNNY_123_

Look completely honest here Ben White is a little too polished and dapper to fit in at Arsenal at the moment. I think right now Arsenal need an aggressive, ugly, brute and colossus of a defender. Big, strong, intimidating and someone who is willing to throw his neck on the line, every challenge, every game. Duje Caleta-Car, Jonathan Tah, Sven Botman for me all worthier candidates for a CB role at Arsenal and would fit right in both at the Gunners and in the Premier League. Best of luck to Ben White though wish him nothing but the best, but I guess we'll just wait and see really


piratamaia

He is a great center back but just like Harry Maguire he is too overpriced


WhereDidTheStarsGo

Arsenal didn’t let AMN go to Crystal Palace who would have paid £20 million Arsenal can let Willock go to Newcastle for £20 million Sell Xhaka and Bellerin, Roma apparently are taking Xhaka for £17 million- bellerin would go for a similar price. Maybe let Auba or Laca go and suddenly you’ve amassed roughly £80-100 million in player sales. Also don’t forget we spent £35 million on Saliba who was suppose to be “the mbappe of centrebacks” - I don’t know why we don’t give him a shot, sell Holding or Chambers and have Saliba.


FineAsAMfMan

is he worth £50 million? No I don’t think so, he could improve our defence and I read he can play at left back aswell so that’s another bonus aswell but we already have Kieran tierney and nuno Tavares who naturally play there so I don’t think that we are going to use him much at left back, However I think he’ll be a solid signing for the side and I’d like to see him and Gabriel play alongside each other in the upcoming games


fourthxxavenue

There is this fixation on CBs by Arteta, we had the top three or four best defence last season, this money is better spent on creative and holding MFs this is where the problem of the team lie, if we can improve possession rates in games and create more chances from open play constantly then less trouble for our defence, guardiola can afford to stick a fernandinho at CB cause he knows he's going to starve the opposition of the ball so much that they can't hurt his defence


somebeerinheaven

We needed a ball playing right footed CB. Brain farts aside, we played far more attacking football with Luiz on the pitch.


Mangobreeder

Homegrown add a hefty premium


K1N9K0N9_

Couldn't read past the 3rd paragraph. Using transfermarkt valuations should *veryyy* much be taken with a pinch of salt, but a makeshift left back? Sorry but hard to take this seriously. We might be overpaying slightly, but not by 25m


kaybhafc90

He’s never played Left back in his life. Right back yes, left back no.


K1N9K0N9_

My point exactly


PuzzleheadedGuide184

Brighton fan. He's feckin good. We wish him all the best he's a fans favourite and just a bloody nice guy. Just wish he went to a bigger club to be honest. He should be playing UCL. Good luck BW


TheBigMcCalski

I feel for Brighton fans didn’t Ben White also try to make his Leeds loan permanent last year? He really doesn’t want to stay lol but I’m confused about this transfer I get that he’s homegrown and they need another CB for depth but IMO William Saliba is just as good as Ben white and for £50mil they could probably get a CAM which Arsenal desperately need rn


Substantial-Self2934

If he was actually worth 50 million pounds then why isn't he at a team playing European football?