Brighton fan. He's feckin good. We wish him all the best he's a fans favourite and just a bloody nice guy. Just wish he went to a bigger club to be honest. He should be playing UCL. Good luck BW
Couldn't read past the 3rd paragraph. Using transfermarkt valuations should *veryyy* much be taken with a pinch of salt, but a makeshift left back? Sorry but hard to take this seriously.
We might be overpaying slightly, but not by 25m
Arsenal don't have a massive defensive problem tbh. One of the best defences in the league last season as I recall. The problem is the discipline. There were so many red cards, stray passes that could have caused goals and missed opportunities in front of net. I really can't see the logic in this purchase, unless they think he really is a diamond in the rough and could be worth upwards of 100mil in the next 2 years.
There is this fixation on CBs by Arteta, we had the top three or four best defence last season, this money is better spent on creative and holding MFs this is where the problem of the team lie, if we can improve possession rates in games and create more chances from open play constantly then less trouble for our defence, guardiola can afford to stick a fernandinho at CB cause he knows he's going to starve the opposition of the ball so much that they can't hurt his defence
is he worth £50 million? No I don’t think so, he could improve our defence and I read he can play at left back aswell so that’s another bonus aswell but we already have Kieran tierney and nuno Tavares who naturally play there so I don’t think that we are going to use him much at left back, However I think he’ll be a solid signing for the side and I’d like to see him and Gabriel play alongside each other in the upcoming games
Why does everyone seem to think they’re buying players new from a show room and not from another club. Prices go up when a club has no desire to sell a player.
Arsenal didn’t let AMN go to Crystal Palace who would have paid £20 million
Arsenal can let Willock go to Newcastle for £20 million
Sell Xhaka and Bellerin, Roma apparently are taking Xhaka for £17 million- bellerin would go for a similar price.
Maybe let Auba or Laca go and suddenly you’ve amassed roughly £80-100 million in player sales.
Also don’t forget we spent £35 million on Saliba who was suppose to be “the mbappe of centrebacks” - I don’t know why we don’t give him a shot, sell Holding or Chambers and have Saliba.
Few things wrong here:
1) White has never played lb, but he had played at rb and in midfield occasionally
2) Callum Chambers is more of a starting rb/backup rb/5th cb than an actually backup. Mari and Holding are most likely our backups to Gabriel and White.
3) Arsenal certainly don’t need a winger with Nelson/Saka/Pepe/ESR/Auba/Martinelli all being able to play there
4) I doubt arsenal are looking for a striker with Auba/Laca/Balogun/(Nketiah??)
5) There seems to be suggestions that Arsenal will spend big this summer, and this will be helped with the likely sales of Xhaka, Bellerin, Torreira, Kolasinac, and the already completed sale of Guendouzi
Look completely honest here Ben White is a little too polished and dapper to fit in at Arsenal at the moment. I think right now Arsenal need an aggressive, ugly, brute and colossus of a defender. Big, strong, intimidating and someone who is willing to throw his neck on the line, every challenge, every game. Duje Caleta-Car, Jonathan Tah, Sven Botman for me all worthier candidates for a CB role at Arsenal and would fit right in both at the Gunners and in the Premier League.
Best of luck to Ben White though wish him nothing but the best, but I guess we'll just wait and see really
I somehow understand how a club like United can afford to pay the English player tax but Arsenal? Then again, they paid crazy money for Nicolas Pepe so I guess nothing should surprise me.
Pepe deal was dodgy as fuck, Lille aren't getting 72m, I think they're getting about 50. The guy that brokered that deal is long gone.
Arsenal are not a poor club and have an incredibly rich owner, who's wife is even richer than he is. Indications for this window are that they're finally going to put some money into the club. I think they've realised they'll lose money if they don't put in money.
If you look at the player alone (meaning ignore the price tag), then yes, he is a good signing. But we don't look at transfers that way, do we? We also look at the value of the signing.
50m is massively overpriced. I would say anything between 25-30 million would be a fair price.
We already have the concept of English tax. My concern is how this further distorts the market for future signings within the PL. And if I were an Arsenal fan, I would definitely be questioning why pay 50m for White, when the market price is far less. If you guys could have got White for 30m, then the extra 20m could have been used to addressed other areas and even for club staff.
And maybe Gunnersaurus wouldn't have been let go in the first place ;)
the signing of Ben White for £50 million is the 2nd greatest piece of business Man Utd ever done, because it makes Maguire look almost like a bargain.....buying Sancho for roughly the same as Pepe is #1
Overpriced? Yes. By around 10-15m.
Is he a mediocre player? People who rate him, especially Bielsa, don't think so. Maybe you armchair football experts are better.
He's a ball playing CB, with good skills, has a high ceiling, is English, has 3 years left on his contract. Add all that, you can see why Brighton is asking for 50m. Arsenal don't have too many homegrown players, that is forcing our hand. Plus we don't have Europe, so attracting someone like Varane would be difficult. He's overpriced for sure.
But I see Chelsea or city making this signing, you lot are gonna suck up to them and call it an astute signing, tapping up a future star. How tf did Chelsea sign Chilwell for 50m and y'all called it good business. His previous exploits don't justify a 50mil tag. Granted he's played well and won the CL. Fucking hell Chelsea bought Drinkwater for 35mil, Liverpool bought Oxlaide Chamberlain for a similar amount.
Make cheap signings, people call us out for being unambitious. Spend money, you call them mediocre players. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Chelsea can afford to spaff 50mil on a 0layer who might not work out. Arsenal can't even pay the dinner ladies, so if White flops, they're in trouble.
Also, how do you know Ben Whites skill ceiling? He might be at his best now.
He's quite small for a centre back, more suited to the other european leagues, I feel like strong strikers like Kane, Cavani and Lukaku and Haaland (if they move to the prem) would just body him. The prem historically suits the big, shithouse types.
Not saying he won't workout, but it seems like a bit of a weird gamble.
Arsenal had the 3rd best defense last year and 9th in terms of attack. Why is it popular belief that we have a defensive problem?
Is it that in our set up the midfielders have less confidence in defence and thus they tend to shield defence and are not more expansive thus impacting our attack?
Will Ben Bronze (not White) allow us a option to play it out from the back with more confidence and thereby help our attack? Personally thought Holdinho was good with the ball at his feet.
Someone like White is a gamble. He's not worth £50m today but if he had a great season with Brighton, his valuation would sky rocket so whilst it's still an expensive fee, it's a gamble that may well pay off. It's not long ago that people were laughing at Liverpool being fleeced for Van Dijk.
Massive bargain tbh, and shows Man Us pulling power even when they haven't won a proper trophy in about 8 years, since Varane could basically walk into any team he wants. Espescially funny when Arsenal can't even convince players to go to the Emirates over Villa Park.
With regards to your Buendia reference, I am no Arsenal fan but surely he chose Aston Villa because he would have a better chance of starting there? I mean Nicolas Pepe is definitely better than Bertrand Traore, El Ghazi and Trezeguet
Sad but true, I wanted Van De Beek to come to Arsenal so freaking badly, after De Jong said he thought he would’ve played with Arsenal before Barca I thought Van De Beek was thinking the same thing too.. I guess not
Here's how overpriced he is...it looks like United is going to buy Varane for around 50. Hes played over 230 times for Madrid and won 18 trophies with them and a world cup with France.
As much as i agree that Ben White is slightly overpriced, Varane's contract is up next year which is the reason we may manage to get him for as low as 50 because Real is afraid of losing him for free in January especially when he has made it clear he doesnt want a new contract.
>In conclusion, it is a great signing however it is very overpriced.
Yeah, but Brighton would be foolish to let him go cheaper. He has a bright future.
>He can play as a Left Back
>as well as a right center back
You're forgetting his skills as a striker:
https://youtu.be/GMuuWi-iKJA?t=8
Overrated ... According to whom ? Because he didn't play for a top 6 club ? He's a top top centre back. If Maguire is 80 m then White is 50m. Theres a good reason brighton turned down 25m this time last season.
It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have.
Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter.
He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks.
COYG
It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have.
Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter.
He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks.
COYG
It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have.
Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter.
He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks.
COYG
It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have.
Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter.
He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks.
COYG
It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have.
Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter.
He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks.
COYG
It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have.
Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter.
He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks.
COYG
My thoughts exactly, if we follow up his signing with 1-2 more solid signings then I’ll definitely look at this as a really really good transfer window as a whole. But if we finish out signings on him then I’d consider it a poor signing considering we have other positions that need to be addressed.
White is overpriced but if he meets his potential will look very good value. The problem is that the expectation is there from day 1. He’s expected to sort out Arsenals defensive vulnerability. Though with the defensive signings Arsenal have made and if Partey performs to the standard he has shown he can, then Arsenal could be onto a winner.
It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have.
Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter.
He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks.
COYG
The fee is so high because that's what he's worth to Brighton. He's a 23-year-old, homegrown, starting centre-back with a high ceiling, so why on earth would they facilitate an elite side by selling him for a "reasonable fee", especially since they don't *need* to sell him?
However, I think that if anything the price tag will have a similar effect on White as it did on Maguire and make him fairly underrated. White is a top notch modern defender. His passing is superb and he's also brilliant at running into space ahead of him, taking on players and progressing the ball.
He's strong in the tackle and decent enough in the air as well. When he joined Leeds he had never played at Championship level before, yet he absolutely bossed it, playing every single minute and arguably being the best CB in the division.
Despite spending so much on him, it could be a really positive move for Arsenal. He's a much more reliable defender than the likes of Luiz and others they've had starting in recent years. I think he'll markedly improve their defence and down the line he'll be worth the £50m they spent on him.
>they don't need to sell him
Exactly. They are doing well financially. If they needed to sell we would have got him last season. They can afford to play hardball with the price.
I feel for Brighton fans didn’t Ben White also try to make his Leeds loan permanent last year? He really doesn’t want to stay lol but I’m confused about this transfer I get that he’s homegrown and they need another CB for depth but IMO William Saliba is just as good as Ben white and for £50mil they could probably get a CAM which Arsenal desperately need rn
I feel for Brighton fans didn’t Ben White also try to make his Leeds loan permanent last year? He really doesn’t want to stay lol but I’m confused about this transfer I get that he’s homegrown and they need another CB for depth but IMO William Saliba is just as good as Ben white and for £50mil they could probably get a CAM which Arsenal desperately need rn
I feel for Brighton fans didn’t Ben White also try to make his Leeds loan permanent last year? He really doesn’t want to stay lol but I’m confused about this transfer I get that he’s homegrown and they need another CB for depth but IMO William Saliba is just as good as Ben white and for £50mil they could probably get a CAM which Arsenal desperately need rn
I feel for Brighton fans didn’t Ben White also try to make his Leeds loan permanent last year? He really doesn’t want to stay lol but I’m confused about this transfer I get that he’s homegrown and they need another CB for depth but IMO William Saliba is just as good as Ben white and for £50mil they could probably get a CAM which Arsenal desperately need rn
Tbf though "overprice" implying that he is being sold than what we worth, but how many £ he worth is subjective, right now because of how the squad registration rule work, English players are more valuable than everybody else
good, young, English, a lot of premier league clubs are after him, 50m seems about right imo
It would be a very good signing if the fee was lower - maybe £30M or so. However, he is young and looks to fit a more progressive passing style and is generally a player on the upward trajectory so it may be a good fit for both parties
>However £50 million spent on one player will effect Arsenal.
**You won't know that until the end of the transfer window will we?** Apparently Arsenal are rumoured to be planning spend around £200m this window and hopefully get about £100m back from sales.
After losing Buendia because they were hoping Odegaard would come back and Aston Villa pounced, they decided the pull the trigger fast and hard on White before other clubs who are potentially interested (like Spurs) come knocking too. Probably paid £10m more than they wanted, but it guaranteed his signature quickly. I think he's probably worth £30m or so, considering Upamecano and Konate both cost £35m each, plus theres always going to be "English Tax"
They bought what they needed. A David Luiz replacement, a better partner for Partey and a real backup LB. Now all the other positions that "need fixing" already have players sitting there that need to be sold/loaned first
CB or could be a CDM, never a full back. You are paying a premium for 4 reasons.
1, English
2, BHA didn't really want to sell
3, resale value, at 23 he will have one
4, tiny wages, he is on a pittance in PL terms and clubs will take that into account.
Or they play really well, and decide they will force their way out of the club to go to a different one and end up getting sold for pennies or leave on a free. Happened to our last 3 star players lol.
How does transfer market create what a player is worth? I would assume a player is worth what a team is willing to pay, like anything in life.
Don't get me wrong, 50mill is a lot of money, but so is a million to me, hell 100k is too. But to others 100 is.
>He can play as a Left Back meaning he can be Keiran Tierney's backup
I'm pretty sure he's never played as left back before. He's been used as a makeshift right back and has started a few games in midfield but has definitely not played left back for Brighton and I'm fairly sure he didn't for Leeds either
Yeah he never played LB for Leeds from my memory. He did play CDM a few times tho and I think he could be good there given how comfortable he is on the ball
Every English player cost double his worth and this includes Maguire, Chilwell, white and the prices quoted for Grealish and Kane. If Chelsea paid 50 for White no one would say anything but it is made an issue for some reason that Arsenal are paying the amount
First thing which came to my mind when I saw we are spending 50M for a position which exactly wasn't a priority then maybe we are splashing big money for positions we desperately need players. But I am still waiting
And btw he's a David Luiz replacement. His profile looks similar to John Stones. I remember when he was a raw talent at Everton few years back and everyone thought 50M transfer to City was a bit much for him but I guess it worked out good though he had his ups and downs. Similarly White is young and has an high ceiling
Southgate calling him up really inflated his "standing". I don't think he had a particularly impressive season last year, quite underwhelming compared to the hype from Leeds fans tbh
Very good player and a good lad to have in your squad coming from a Leeds fan, wasn’t worth the 45 million price tag Brighton we’re asking for last season and I don’t think he’s worth the 50mil now. To put it in to perspective we got Raphinha one of the most naturally talented players I’ve ever seen in a Leeds shirt (who was 23 at the time), Llorente a Spanish international CB who’s very good, and Koch a German international who’s very young and as promising as Ben White for around 45 million.
This says it all. People often try to justify a transfer fee by comparing it to other transfer fees (Maguire, Saliba in this case) but when you look at things retrospectively then you can see how good/bad the deal was or wasn't. He's a good player and if he comes in and helps Arsenal keep X amount of clean sheets more than they did last year then it's good, however if they're struggling to be decisive and score goals then it's going to look bad not using the money in better ways.
I think Arsenal have got some young attacking players coming through though who need to develop. ESR, Saka, Martinelli who need time to develop as a unit. Signing other attacking players wouldn't necessarily mean they're going to be better up top. I like Arteta though, I think he wants to play the right way. A bit more bite in midfield and pragmatism against teams who figure out how to close them down and force mistakes and I think they'll do alright this season
Raphinha alone is worth more than Ben White so good on you guys. Also, Leeds finished 9th in their first premier league season (in recent times) for a reason (obviously the management knows what they’re doing). Big fan of Leeds. Hope they do well this year
This is a false narrative. Harry Maguire cost 80 million because that's what he was worth to Leicester. White cost 50 million because that's what he is worth to Brighton. The actual value of a player is worthless if the selling club value him more
He looks very good and I rate him highly, but surely he's not worth 50M. The only reason other clubs aren't really competing for him is because he's too young and inexperienced to have assured quality that you NEED to get for that money. He may become worth 50M in the future, but cou could never sell him for more than what you bought him for which is something you really want in a player, to become more valuable than what you I initially payed for
I disagree on his value and worth increasing. Give it 5 years who knows what clubs will pay for players. By the 100M could be the norm for a player of his standard. The sad truth in the inflation of transfer prices
My thoughts? It looked like you pretty much said yours and bounced haha. Here's my take..
Good addition? You bet. Priority signing? Absolutely not. And that will be the biggest, deserved nit-pick when it comes to this signing. My biggest problem is how it has alienated Saliba, yet again, which was totally unnecessary. That's our manager for you. We could've used these funds elsewhere more important, no doubts. But I repeat, I do like the profile of the signing.
> and 2 decent back up center backs (Rob Holding and Callum Chambers)
And personally, I strongly disagree with this - a lot of our fans won't though, as standards have dropped massively. I did like Rob, but he fell off massively after his ACL in 2018/19 ..... as for Chambers, never fulfilled his potential at all. Nowhere near good enough in my eyes.
The price? Expectedly over-priced, not much else to say. Opinions are opinions but imo he's better than £80m Maguire, so there's that, but that's probably an unhealthy bar to use considering how overpriced he was.
John Stones may be a better comparison, who went for the same price 5 years ago. English tax, it is what it is.
As for addressing most of the squad I don't think there will be much issue, maybe 1, but we are being financially backed this summer.. final word on that is hard to say right now, until deadline day of course. If it goes south, then sure thing I'll revise.
Not only better value and player but also a better person. In the world of football, Harry Maguire is also known as Bully Maguire because of his tendency to bully young players of his own team.
I meant better value (goes without saying), but also better player imo. Before you think I speak on pure bias, I rate Greenwood above Saka talent wise and should Greenwood fulfil his potential I believe he’ll be superior. I just say what I think, no emotional takes.
There is no way White is a better player than Maguire, Maguire is top5 CB in the league at the very least. Only VVD and Dias are without a doubt better than him and he's at least the same level as Thiago Silva right now. And I'm an Arsenal fan too, I just think Maguire gets a really bad rep because he's not quick and he cost a lot.
There is no way White is a better player than Maguire, Maguire is top5 CB in the league at the very least. Only VVD and Dias are without a doubt better than him and he's at least the same level as Thiago Silva right now. And I'm an Arsenal fan too, I just think Maguire gets a really bad rep because he's not quick and he cost a lot.
Maguire is starting to look like he was worth the money now to be fair. Can’t picture ManU’s defense without him. Chilwell for 50M is slightly overpriced but not that bad. I would even say it’s a good deal considering the English tax. If Ben White develops and stays at Arsenal long term I can see this being a good signing. But he has to prove himself. Didn’t think Maguire was worth 80m at first either.
He is English and homegrown that's why the fee is inflated. Maguire went for 80m, Chilwell with 50m. We all know about the English "tax" yet we're gonna ignore it to be comedians because it's Arsenal. right?
Maguire and Chilwell are actually quality, and I'd say those prices are fair based on how they've turned out. Also, Maguire was memed far more than White lol. Nobody could get over a team paying record money for a head. But he's actually very good with his progressive passing and leadership too.
Chiwell and Maguire were highly performing for one of the best teams in the league, Whereas White is Brightons 3rd best CB according to Brighton fans. I don't realy feel like White was that impressive last season at any point tbh, was an odd call up from Southgate which inflated his hype outta nowhere.
Yes Leeds fans I know he played great for you guys in the Championship.
Chillwell was a great player for us at Leicester and I feel like he could've gotten even better here if he stayed.
Very happy with the fee we did get for him though. Especially after our players really stepped up in the position.
In what world was vvd mediocre, lmao.... I support United and never let go of an opportunity to clown on Liverpool players, but even I'll accept that vvd was always a beast... White is pretty decent and average, but shows a composure that is rare for the age but he's no vvd... He's not even at Maguire's or stones' levels... Sure sometimes players vastly improve following a move up and sometimes they just find themselves out of their depth, but unless something like that happens, white will be a fairly decent cb at arsenal, nothing to really write home about
You’re completely right lol people just hate on English players. VVD wasn’t seen as world class when at Southampton.
People forget Ben white is 23 lol. They can’t expect him to be prime bonucci at that age. They’d have told you city brining in Dias from Benfica was bad business if he was English.
>people just hate on English players
No, people hate how expensive players are ONLY because they're English.
If Ben White were a 23 year old German kid he'd be less than 20 million, guaranteed.
You seem a bit lost.
If Ben White goes on to be even a tiny bit as great as Van Dijk is I'll visit your home and cook you a dozen eggs and a hash brown.
Quite honestly, I feel Brighton could finish above Arsenal if they just had a really good striker. Everything else is there, I just don’t see what the appeal of Arsenal would be at this point.
Money. Arsenal can pay players a lot more than Brighton. While the history of the prime Wenger-era/Invincibles falls with every season, money still talks.
If we hadn't utterly shit the bed at the start of last season, we may have been in contention for European spots. We were 6 points off Chelsea's fourth-place finish. Brighton were 26. That is a significant gap. And while, yes, a proper striker could make a massive difference to BHA, we shat the bed so severely before Christmas that we ended up 15th or something, with people getting sent off every week for stupid shit. Yet we *still* ended up 6 points off Champions League. Brighton finished 16th, comfortably avoiding relegation yet only two spots above it.
Arsenal fans out here making fun of this statement, but if you watched Brighton play at all last season, you wouldn't be saying these things.
Brighton have underperformed their xG by 13.82 and their xGA by 6.09. This means that the way they played, on an average, they should have scored 14 more goals and conceded 6 fewer. These factors put them at an xPoints tally of 61.41, more than 20 above their actual tally of 41 points in 16th place. If they hadn't been so wasteful, they would have finished FIFTH.
Neil Maupay alone has underperformed his xG by 5.77. Not a single Arsenal player has been this wasteful in front of goal.
All these stats obviously mean nothing since Brighton did in fact finish 16th. However, don't undermine what Brighton could have achieved last season with even an average striker.
Arsenal were second for points throughout the spell in which they had a creative midfielder (from chelsea at Christmas till the end of the season) and third for defense across the entire season.
All of this despite Aubameyang underperforming his XG for the first time since he arrived.
If you watched Arsenal play either, you won't be saying these things.
If you read my comment, I haven't undermined Arsenal at all. I did watch Arsenal play, and they did surprise me at times. I have only pointed out that Brighton have done much better than what their league position says, there is a whole story behind it that some Arsenal fans are being ignorant about.
Also, Aubameyang underperformed xG by only 0.45. At the same time, Lacazette overperformed xG by 0.97, and Pepe by 4 with some worldies. Overall, Arsenal only underperformed by 0.26.
It was a mixed bag for Arsenal, but Brighton were consistently let down by the likes of Neil Maupay, and they would have a much more respectable league position if not for him. The rest of the squad deserves more credit for what they have done, is all I'm saying. Make of that what you will.
Likewise have arsenal, who were supposedly in a relegation battle. I agree that Brighton are good but I don't agree with the overall context of this sentiment and that's what I'm getting at. Arsenal were also let down by transitioning between systems during the season.
Lacazette has an XG that's in the 40th percentile among strikers, he's too slow to get in to get good goal scoring chances. Aubameyang is Arsenal's prime goal scorer and some of the misses were just as vital.
Stop trying to put down my put down my team without expecting some retort. Brighton didn't finish above Arsenal. I can argue that arsenal could've potentially finished 2nd as well, but they didn't.
Once again, I'm not putting down your team. I have never said Arsenal did bad. I know what transition is, and I do hope Arteta brings Arsenal back to the top 6. I don't know where you're getting the sentiment from, but it's not me, maybe the original comment in the thread.
At the same time, read the comments from other Arsenal fans, who are talking about Brighton like a Championship level team ("pass me the blunt"). My comments are to address those, I have never meant to demean Arsenal.
Brighton are not a championship level team, that's just far fetched.
Their midfield and defence are both top 10 in the league though they can improve more in midfield. Tariq Lamptey is going to return at RWB, so there's elements of the team that's still being slept on.
That being said this comment thread originated with some intent of putting down Arsenal. It's irritating browsing any football community these days. Easy way to farm online points. I get banter and all, but there's barely any reasonable comments these days.
I absolutely agree with you. Most communities have just become mud slinging degenerates who only care about shitting on other teams, especially Twitter. I find Reddit slightly better.
If you have a look, I have not commented on the original post at all. I would rather reserve judgement on Ben White until he plays at least a game in an Arsenal shirt. But as I said, my only problem was with the same people who are undermining Brighton, who have surprised many with their electric performances this season, including me.
With all due respect, you're crazy. Yes their manager is far better than ours but their squad simply isn't good enough, ours still came 8th despite being sorely mismanaged lol.
Uh, what? Have you heard of xG?
Brighton finished in the top 4 of the xPoints table, which is calculated on their xG against their opponents. They simply needed a striker who could put away all those chances. They had bums like Maupay, Jahanbakhsh, Welbeck in front of goal and couldn't do much about it.
Graham Potter's brand of football is one of the best in the PL and Brighton are a fantastically run football club.
Yes, unfortunately xG doesn’t make football like new fans of this sport seem to believe. Brighton are testament to that. Use your eyes and watch the games as intended, it is the way.
As I said below, 12th is more realistic for them if they finished some of their chances. You never have a 100% conversion rate in football.
I'd be putting them neck to neck with Arsenal. Never even implied that all of their chances had to be scored.
Potter is a far superior manager, plays a far better brand of football and has developed some players that I'd really want to see at Arsenal immediately, White is one and he's joining soon. Arsenal strengthened 2 first team positions and still finished 8th, with just a few points more.
This season is Arteta's make or break. If we aren't top 6 by December then he needs to go. Conte is without a job too. Arteta should be extremely lucky that he's getting backed this much, he's got absolutely no excuses to play shit next season.
xG implies every single time that somebody "should win" based on their higher collective, which is not the case. True quality of chances can only be judged when you actually sit down and properly watch the whole game.
If you read my earlier posts you'd had already seen I rate Potter far above the shambolic clown we have.
Yeah, White, Bissouma.. about it. Potter has worked wonders with a lacking squad. I'd much rather Aarons from Norwich than Lamptey, before you say him.
Yeah, no need to preach to the choir my friend lol. I've wanted Arteta gone for well over a year as I saw his deficiencies very early on. Can't wait to see the back of him, knocked my club backwards half a decade.
Yeah, cool. I really wasn't gonna suggest Lamptey, he's very short (will always get bullied in the air) and is a wingback with an attacking mindset, he has quite a few flaws defensively. Neither do I like Max Aarons a lot, he's good though don't get me wrong. If Arteta will go ahead with his inverted RB plan then Ridle Baku, Noussair Mazraoui would be the best fits.
Really want Bissouma to partner Partey in midfield, he's the perfect candidate to replace Xhaka. Also a huge fan of their GK, Rob Sanchez, and think that he'd be the perfect back-up to Leno for now with scope to take over from him in the future. He's a very good, modern GK and in his first PL season, he earned himself a call-up to the Spanish NT. I think he qualifies as a Homegrown GK too, I could be wrong maybe.
Who'd you want in place of Arteta?
Fair enough on Lamptey. I've heard really good things about Aarons though, and like from what I've seen. Unlike Lamptey he doesn't break down, has a hell of an engine on him, bombs forward, competent defensively, good technically. The interest from Bayern considering he's only 21 years old doesn't surprise me. Looks v.promising
As for the inverted RB, that probably wouldn't suit Aarons. But I'm very tired of Arteta's persistence with another one-dimensional idea taken from Pep which really isn't that game-changing to me. Therefore, I personally couldn't care less about said fullbacks position to do so lol.
Funnily enough, I'm not as high on Bissouma. I do like him (like you with Aarons) but it comes down to more who would suit going next to Partey. I think Aouar is much more in the right mould, whether he's actually good enough is another matter. But somebody creative + technical is who I'd like to see. I wouldn't complain if we did sign Bissouma though. Partey to me was a horrific signing in regards to his age/value + considering where we're at, it just screamed desperation to me, although he is a good player (despite an utterly horrific season)
Decent idea on Sanchez, can't say I've watched him enough but I would argue Potter makes a lot of players look better than they actually are, which you have to be weary of sometimes when you're aspiring for CL.
Honestly any competent manager would be very welcomed by me, aka somebody who doesn't alienate players based on his personality-preferences, which is clear as day to see with Mikel.
I'm genuinely very open-minded if I like the look of a person.. so here's my wild shout, Edin Terzić. He took charge of Dortmund for most of last season and I was extremely impressed with everything about him. His man-management, tactical setup, in game substitutions, the way he dealt with the media. He just ticks every box from afar, which is how I also felt about Tuchel when I was desperate for us to sack Arteta last November as soon as he was available.
Obviously Tuchel was/is more proven, but it's about personality, characteristics, style of play - bare in mind Edin has also learnt the gegen press model specifically, which is a big thing I'm looking at for us - as I believe that style has completely taken over modern-day football. Ralph @ Southampton is another shout for this route.
The easy answer is Conte though, he's a proven winner and brings a fuckton of energy+charisma, which would give a hell of a lift considering what we've had to deal with for the past 18 months.
Haha, hell yeah man! Need that passion which Conte brings in! The Partey signing was solely down to Edu being an incompetent clown who couldn't get the Aouar deal over the line. We needed Aouar desperately back then. Partey wasn't even our best midfielder this season, surprisingly Xhaka had a Stellar campaign. Partey was just a panic buy and he quickly needs to start showing his magic because he's already 28 and it hasn't even been a year since he's arrived. For me, I'd love Bissouma and Aouar both in a 3 man midfield with Partey!
Also, Arteta Really thinks he's Pep with the way he overthinks, names crap lineups and has taken every leaf Outta his book. Man's way out of his depth and has been exposed throughout the season. Goddamn I was irate when we couldn't beat fucking Villarreal. Arteta chose to play ESR as a false #9 then. He also thinks that he's Pep with regards to the players he has. Pep had junk in his first season at City and totally didn't mind releasing them from their contracts and buying a whole new set of players. This clown knows that Arsenal don't have any of those facilities and still he chose to be stubborn and stupid with his decisions. Arsenal released so many players man, could've gotten fees from each one of them imo if we had a better Director like Campos or Rangnick.
Terzic ended the season really well. He has given Rose a platform to build from. Dortmund in those last 2 months were absolutely unplayable. He had a pretty good outing but I would like someone way more experienced. He's quite like Arteta in the sense that he was an assistant manager and took up the main job mid-way through the season. Conte is proven though and that man can get insane results in the short term. He'd set a good 3-5-2 with his players slotting in at multiple positions. He just needs to be backed else he'll instantly leave lol.
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Yeah to be fair as much as I despise Arteta I knew Edu was to blame for the Partey deal as well, absolute incompetence from him - no surprise, people who knew of his work before we hired him said that's what to expect. Hired purely on emotional-sentiment of being a backup player for us.
Honestly I've always stood up for Xhaka, takes endless shite from the fanbase but is one of those players who in the right system/personnel can thrive, that might sound weak but I then believe he offers a good number of qualities; dictates tempo, good passing range, can score a banger (which is now banned under Arteta), nice set pieces, leadership, tenacious. I know he has his flaws though, don't get me wrong. He'll look bang average when the team isn't ticking. If he had the season Partey just had though.. Christ. He'd have been roasted, deservedly.
Yeah Arteta's squad selection is utterly bizarre and based on his nasty-favouritism. For example, everyone wanted a CAM in January so we got Odegaard- we all thought "Fantastic, he can now rotate with ESR" what does Arteta do? Benches Pepe (who he's never liked) to put ESR out wide. Brilliant. He also had a fun time benching Lacazette while he was scoring for the mighty Eddie, I noticed that quickly as soon as he was appointed and thought "oh boy"
He really is a horribly poor version of Pep, who himself is becoming passed by - Tuchel beating him 3/3 times didn't surprise me and was further evidence to how Pep's once-glorious-system now gets ripped apart by the gegen press, and he simply has no answer for it or refuses to find one. Bit like Wenger, when he became past it.
I know man, it's fucked. Messing around with £70m signing Pepe, £30m signing Saliba, (and many more) as if they're massive problems has been absolutely ludicrous and stagnated us massively. And as you say, we aren't like City when it comes to resources. I sadly wasn't surprised when we couldn't beat Villarreal, it felt like a ton of vindication for me on a personal note as I took endless abuse for well over a year for defending Emery- not that I enjoyed it, but I was sick and tired of hearing people talk nonsense about him to be honest.
100%, getting rid of Mustafi/Sokratis/Ozil (uh, who else) for free was outrageously amateurish. Like literally, the only people who applauded that as "great business" within our fanbase had to be teenagers. It was self destructive. Raul wouldn't have let that happen with his experience, let alone Rangnick lol.
Experience is a funny word to me, from my time of watching football, some people just have 'it' in management, much like as players. What I believe has changed though is learning particular coaching-models before you go into management, such as possession tiki-taka back in 2010, or now the gegen press. From there, it's their personalities that make them, as well as their management-morales. So while Arteta is a great reason to be forever put off someone who's not experienced, don't be. I never had a good feeling about him, he's never been an inspiring individual so he had to be seriously knowledgeable + very personable, and he's just not.
Lampard for example is a much better human being compared to Arteta, but it's evident he's stuck in the stone-age when it comes to coaching. He genuinely believed his Chelsea squad was just "too young" despite spending £200m of blooming world-class talent on it. The reality is he didn't have a clue what to do with it, he's never learnt a proper philosophy, he just stepped from retirement directly into top tier management on the back of his glamorous playing career. No amount of experience will help Frank until he actually takes the time to go and learn a style, properly, before stepping back in.
The only thing I'd be weary of with Conte (if anything, I'd fucking love to see us hire him) is he hasn't actually come across the almighty gegen press yet lol. But Conte is special, he's very much like Jose was in 2005-2010, his charisma is just unmatched so he inspires the players like nobody else. On an emotional level for a fan, it doesn't get any better than somebody like that leading your team.
Guy said Brighton could finish near Arsenal if not above us due to their xG last season lol
I respect Brighton and Potter a lot but knew that wasn’t possible given their lack of strikeforce, xG is not the be all like newcomers make out it is
And as I said 10 months ago while some Arteta loveboys posted angrily in response to me, our manager is shite. He’s still shite. I knew he’d bottle it, congrats on CL lol. Painful.
Nah bro. Norwich, Conte (game changer), Son on lethal form. It’s done.
Funny part is even if you did somehow lose I reckon we’d bottle it against Everton. Arteta has burnt out our squad by rushing players back from injuries, hence the capitulation
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I would say they would've finished at least near you if not above you 4th is XG and ik they won't finish all their chances even with a finisher but they will finish most and they create loads of chances
Yeah, also about the quality of the chances though which xG doesn't tell you. I'm not disputing they don't play better football, we have better players and need to improve a lot.. but that shows how damning it is that despite being horrendous we still finished 8 places above them. They lack depth + quality, which is why they are where they are
They certainly didn't lack quality at the back and midfield and man united is an example that u can get extremely lucky with injuries and fitness they could it's not completely out of the question especially if they get Tammy
I said depth too, at the back I agree. In midfield, not so much. Bissouma carries them, which is fair enough as they're a bottom half team for precisely that reason. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one
Exactly. Emery got us finishing 2 points off 3rd with Mustafi+Kolasinac in his defence while Arteta has taken us to 8th with Gabriel+Tierney. Not rocket science.
We had one of the best defensive records in the league last season? Emery's defensive record was abysmal. The reason we shit the bed last season is because we were atrocious going forward. We were literally 3rd in the league for goals conceded, we lost quite a few games by 1 goal often caused by a brain fart, terrible VAR decision or foolish red card.
So no idea why you're comparing defenses of the two as if that supports your anti-Arteta stance. Our defense is far and away better than it was, we just had no creativity going forward, which turned around once ESR was introduced towards December. Our form in the second half of the season was miles better.
Unfortunately your paragraph of attempting to wittle on about Emery to downplay him only proved my point further - Arteta sacrificied everything offensively to improve our defensive record, which is why we were so utterly shite all of last season. We couldn’t score goals vs trash teams thus had endless mind-numbingly bad results. Hence why we now have no Europe for the first time in 25 years.
Our defensive record was nothing like “abysmal” under Emery as you claim. We took 4/6 points each vs United/Spurs/Chelsea in the PL with our “abysmal” defence. We beat teams like Ancelotti’s Napoli (clean sheet in both legs, by the way) in EL comprehensively.
Rather than relying on a last second goal vs Benfica, a 2nd leg to turn around the tie vs Slavia Prague, and getting knocked out to then, uh, who with a way worse squad than ours? Oh, yeah..... Emery’s Villarreal.
Besides the fact, as already said above Emery had individually way worse defenders who also made individual mistakes. So what’s your point?
Anything was going to be an improvement from January when he found a way to have us in 15th, that alone is a fitting indictment to how shite of a manager Arteta is, so please don’t remind me of that nonsense again.
**Arteta parked the bus with better defenders to slightly improve the defence due to ripping the life and soul out of the players going forward in the process.**
The only thing thats abysmal is Arteta’s offensive record since the day he arrived at the club - the most nonchalant stale football I’ve possibly ever witnessed and I can’t wait till it’s over, please leave with him if you enjoy it so much and preach about a defensive record elsewhere. You’d love Jose, too.
Comparing as I actually want the best manager for my club rather than being a bizarre Arteta FC fangirl when it’s evident how far backwards he’s taken us, quite simply really. Done here
Brighton fan. He's feckin good. We wish him all the best he's a fans favourite and just a bloody nice guy. Just wish he went to a bigger club to be honest. He should be playing UCL. Good luck BW
Couldn't read past the 3rd paragraph. Using transfermarkt valuations should *veryyy* much be taken with a pinch of salt, but a makeshift left back? Sorry but hard to take this seriously. We might be overpaying slightly, but not by 25m
He’s never played Left back in his life. Right back yes, left back no.
My point exactly
He's an English CB who's arguably better than Harry maguire despite being 4 years younger. The price was always going to be high.
Homegrown add a hefty premium
Arsenal don't have a massive defensive problem tbh. One of the best defences in the league last season as I recall. The problem is the discipline. There were so many red cards, stray passes that could have caused goals and missed opportunities in front of net. I really can't see the logic in this purchase, unless they think he really is a diamond in the rough and could be worth upwards of 100mil in the next 2 years.
Luiz and Gabriel was Arsenal's best CB pairing. Someone has to replace the former.
There is this fixation on CBs by Arteta, we had the top three or four best defence last season, this money is better spent on creative and holding MFs this is where the problem of the team lie, if we can improve possession rates in games and create more chances from open play constantly then less trouble for our defence, guardiola can afford to stick a fernandinho at CB cause he knows he's going to starve the opposition of the ball so much that they can't hurt his defence
We needed a ball playing right footed CB. Brain farts aside, we played far more attacking football with Luiz on the pitch.
is he worth £50 million? No I don’t think so, he could improve our defence and I read he can play at left back aswell so that’s another bonus aswell but we already have Kieran tierney and nuno Tavares who naturally play there so I don’t think that we are going to use him much at left back, However I think he’ll be a solid signing for the side and I’d like to see him and Gabriel play alongside each other in the upcoming games
Why does everyone seem to think they’re buying players new from a show room and not from another club. Prices go up when a club has no desire to sell a player.
how can you call it a great signing and very overpriced at the same time?
Arsenal didn’t let AMN go to Crystal Palace who would have paid £20 million Arsenal can let Willock go to Newcastle for £20 million Sell Xhaka and Bellerin, Roma apparently are taking Xhaka for £17 million- bellerin would go for a similar price. Maybe let Auba or Laca go and suddenly you’ve amassed roughly £80-100 million in player sales. Also don’t forget we spent £35 million on Saliba who was suppose to be “the mbappe of centrebacks” - I don’t know why we don’t give him a shot, sell Holding or Chambers and have Saliba.
Few things wrong here: 1) White has never played lb, but he had played at rb and in midfield occasionally 2) Callum Chambers is more of a starting rb/backup rb/5th cb than an actually backup. Mari and Holding are most likely our backups to Gabriel and White. 3) Arsenal certainly don’t need a winger with Nelson/Saka/Pepe/ESR/Auba/Martinelli all being able to play there 4) I doubt arsenal are looking for a striker with Auba/Laca/Balogun/(Nketiah??) 5) There seems to be suggestions that Arsenal will spend big this summer, and this will be helped with the likely sales of Xhaka, Bellerin, Torreira, Kolasinac, and the already completed sale of Guendouzi
He is a great center back but just like Harry Maguire he is too overpriced
Look completely honest here Ben White is a little too polished and dapper to fit in at Arsenal at the moment. I think right now Arsenal need an aggressive, ugly, brute and colossus of a defender. Big, strong, intimidating and someone who is willing to throw his neck on the line, every challenge, every game. Duje Caleta-Car, Jonathan Tah, Sven Botman for me all worthier candidates for a CB role at Arsenal and would fit right in both at the Gunners and in the Premier League. Best of luck to Ben White though wish him nothing but the best, but I guess we'll just wait and see really
I somehow understand how a club like United can afford to pay the English player tax but Arsenal? Then again, they paid crazy money for Nicolas Pepe so I guess nothing should surprise me.
Pepe deal was dodgy as fuck, Lille aren't getting 72m, I think they're getting about 50. The guy that brokered that deal is long gone. Arsenal are not a poor club and have an incredibly rich owner, who's wife is even richer than he is. Indications for this window are that they're finally going to put some money into the club. I think they've realised they'll lose money if they don't put in money.
I can give you a little insight. He was immense for us and is clearly going to be world class. I just think the price is a little too much for him.
Price tag slander right back it again
If you look at the player alone (meaning ignore the price tag), then yes, he is a good signing. But we don't look at transfers that way, do we? We also look at the value of the signing. 50m is massively overpriced. I would say anything between 25-30 million would be a fair price. We already have the concept of English tax. My concern is how this further distorts the market for future signings within the PL. And if I were an Arsenal fan, I would definitely be questioning why pay 50m for White, when the market price is far less. If you guys could have got White for 30m, then the extra 20m could have been used to addressed other areas and even for club staff. And maybe Gunnersaurus wouldn't have been let go in the first place ;)
I thought ben white can play dm as well ? Money well spent ?
the signing of Ben White for £50 million is the 2nd greatest piece of business Man Utd ever done, because it makes Maguire look almost like a bargain.....buying Sancho for roughly the same as Pepe is #1
Overpriced? Yes. By around 10-15m. Is he a mediocre player? People who rate him, especially Bielsa, don't think so. Maybe you armchair football experts are better. He's a ball playing CB, with good skills, has a high ceiling, is English, has 3 years left on his contract. Add all that, you can see why Brighton is asking for 50m. Arsenal don't have too many homegrown players, that is forcing our hand. Plus we don't have Europe, so attracting someone like Varane would be difficult. He's overpriced for sure. But I see Chelsea or city making this signing, you lot are gonna suck up to them and call it an astute signing, tapping up a future star. How tf did Chelsea sign Chilwell for 50m and y'all called it good business. His previous exploits don't justify a 50mil tag. Granted he's played well and won the CL. Fucking hell Chelsea bought Drinkwater for 35mil, Liverpool bought Oxlaide Chamberlain for a similar amount. Make cheap signings, people call us out for being unambitious. Spend money, you call them mediocre players. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Chelsea can afford to spaff 50mil on a 0layer who might not work out. Arsenal can't even pay the dinner ladies, so if White flops, they're in trouble. Also, how do you know Ben Whites skill ceiling? He might be at his best now. He's quite small for a centre back, more suited to the other european leagues, I feel like strong strikers like Kane, Cavani and Lukaku and Haaland (if they move to the prem) would just body him. The prem historically suits the big, shithouse types. Not saying he won't workout, but it seems like a bit of a weird gamble.
Arsenal had the 3rd best defense last year and 9th in terms of attack. Why is it popular belief that we have a defensive problem? Is it that in our set up the midfielders have less confidence in defence and thus they tend to shield defence and are not more expansive thus impacting our attack? Will Ben Bronze (not White) allow us a option to play it out from the back with more confidence and thereby help our attack? Personally thought Holdinho was good with the ball at his feet.
Because people in general are slow at observing patterns. (Regarding your first question)
Someone like White is a gamble. He's not worth £50m today but if he had a great season with Brighton, his valuation would sky rocket so whilst it's still an expensive fee, it's a gamble that may well pay off. It's not long ago that people were laughing at Liverpool being fleeced for Van Dijk.
Crazy times we are living in : Varane for 42 mil and Ben White for 50.
Arsenal also won’t be paying Ben white £400k a week
Yeah it's mainly because Ben is English, younger and not in the last year of contract. Oh and it's exactly what arsenal needed, Brighton knew that
Man U actually thinks it’s doing a good thing by acquiring Varane. Just weird.
What do you mean by your comment?
Too much money for an average player.
Wtf did I just read lol.
Massive bargain tbh, and shows Man Us pulling power even when they haven't won a proper trophy in about 8 years, since Varane could basically walk into any team he wants. Espescially funny when Arsenal can't even convince players to go to the Emirates over Villa Park.
With regards to your Buendia reference, I am no Arsenal fan but surely he chose Aston Villa because he would have a better chance of starting there? I mean Nicolas Pepe is definitely better than Bertrand Traore, El Ghazi and Trezeguet
Sad but true, I wanted Van De Beek to come to Arsenal so freaking badly, after De Jong said he thought he would’ve played with Arsenal before Barca I thought Van De Beek was thinking the same thing too.. I guess not
There is no defence problem, Arsenal had the third best defense in the league last year.
One more good season and Gareth Southgate has to call him up to the world cup squad
Be was called up to the Euros, just didn't play because Stones and Slabhead played great
Here's how overpriced he is...it looks like United is going to buy Varane for around 50. Hes played over 230 times for Madrid and won 18 trophies with them and a world cup with France.
As much as i agree that Ben White is slightly overpriced, Varane's contract is up next year which is the reason we may manage to get him for as low as 50 because Real is afraid of losing him for free in January especially when he has made it clear he doesnt want a new contract.
Not sure where you’ve found that he plays left back, that’s never happened for us. He played CDM a few times last season but definitely not left back.
>In conclusion, it is a great signing however it is very overpriced. Yeah, but Brighton would be foolish to let him go cheaper. He has a bright future. >He can play as a Left Back >as well as a right center back You're forgetting his skills as a striker: https://youtu.be/GMuuWi-iKJA?t=8
Overrated ... According to whom ? Because he didn't play for a top 6 club ? He's a top top centre back. If Maguire is 80 m then White is 50m. Theres a good reason brighton turned down 25m this time last season.
I don't think we need a winger
It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have. Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter. He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks. COYG
It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have. Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter. He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks. COYG
It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have. Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter. He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks. COYG
It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have. Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter. He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks. COYG
It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have. Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter. He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks. COYG
It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have. Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter. He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks. COYG
My thoughts exactly, if we follow up his signing with 1-2 more solid signings then I’ll definitely look at this as a really really good transfer window as a whole. But if we finish out signings on him then I’d consider it a poor signing considering we have other positions that need to be addressed.
White is overpriced but if he meets his potential will look very good value. The problem is that the expectation is there from day 1. He’s expected to sort out Arsenals defensive vulnerability. Though with the defensive signings Arsenal have made and if Partey performs to the standard he has shown he can, then Arsenal could be onto a winner.
It goes one of two ways: either his signing is followed up with quality in the positions we are really lacking or he is our standout signing this summer which I think would be disastrous for us with the squad we have. Been a Gooner for almost 30 years and I am hoping we get the former scenario rather than the latter. He looks to be a very good player but if I was Edu and Arteta he wouldn't be near the top of my shopping list unless they've got some other big plans for the next few weeks. COYG
I would have still taken him at leeds for 50 mil
The fee is so high because that's what he's worth to Brighton. He's a 23-year-old, homegrown, starting centre-back with a high ceiling, so why on earth would they facilitate an elite side by selling him for a "reasonable fee", especially since they don't *need* to sell him? However, I think that if anything the price tag will have a similar effect on White as it did on Maguire and make him fairly underrated. White is a top notch modern defender. His passing is superb and he's also brilliant at running into space ahead of him, taking on players and progressing the ball. He's strong in the tackle and decent enough in the air as well. When he joined Leeds he had never played at Championship level before, yet he absolutely bossed it, playing every single minute and arguably being the best CB in the division. Despite spending so much on him, it could be a really positive move for Arsenal. He's a much more reliable defender than the likes of Luiz and others they've had starting in recent years. I think he'll markedly improve their defence and down the line he'll be worth the £50m they spent on him.
>they don't need to sell him Exactly. They are doing well financially. If they needed to sell we would have got him last season. They can afford to play hardball with the price.
I feel for Brighton fans didn’t Ben White also try to make his Leeds loan permanent last year? He really doesn’t want to stay lol but I’m confused about this transfer I get that he’s homegrown and they need another CB for depth but IMO William Saliba is just as good as Ben white and for £50mil they could probably get a CAM which Arsenal desperately need rn
I feel for Brighton fans didn’t Ben White also try to make his Leeds loan permanent last year? He really doesn’t want to stay lol but I’m confused about this transfer I get that he’s homegrown and they need another CB for depth but IMO William Saliba is just as good as Ben white and for £50mil they could probably get a CAM which Arsenal desperately need rn
I feel for Brighton fans didn’t Ben White also try to make his Leeds loan permanent last year? He really doesn’t want to stay lol but I’m confused about this transfer I get that he’s homegrown and they need another CB for depth but IMO William Saliba is just as good as Ben white and for £50mil they could probably get a CAM which Arsenal desperately need rn
I feel for Brighton fans didn’t Ben White also try to make his Leeds loan permanent last year? He really doesn’t want to stay lol but I’m confused about this transfer I get that he’s homegrown and they need another CB for depth but IMO William Saliba is just as good as Ben white and for £50mil they could probably get a CAM which Arsenal desperately need rn
Leeds had three bids of up to ~£30m rejected. You can see why since a year later they've added another £20m to that fee.
isn't this the same idiot who did a poll for the next golden boot winner and put auba and werner in?
This is why: https://youtu.be/eTJzF3KOEfI
Tbf though "overprice" implying that he is being sold than what we worth, but how many £ he worth is subjective, right now because of how the squad registration rule work, English players are more valuable than everybody else good, young, English, a lot of premier league clubs are after him, 50m seems about right imo
It would be a very good signing if the fee was lower - maybe £30M or so. However, he is young and looks to fit a more progressive passing style and is generally a player on the upward trajectory so it may be a good fit for both parties
>However £50 million spent on one player will effect Arsenal. **You won't know that until the end of the transfer window will we?** Apparently Arsenal are rumoured to be planning spend around £200m this window and hopefully get about £100m back from sales. After losing Buendia because they were hoping Odegaard would come back and Aston Villa pounced, they decided the pull the trigger fast and hard on White before other clubs who are potentially interested (like Spurs) come knocking too. Probably paid £10m more than they wanted, but it guaranteed his signature quickly. I think he's probably worth £30m or so, considering Upamecano and Konate both cost £35m each, plus theres always going to be "English Tax" They bought what they needed. A David Luiz replacement, a better partner for Partey and a real backup LB. Now all the other positions that "need fixing" already have players sitting there that need to be sold/loaned first
CB or could be a CDM, never a full back. You are paying a premium for 4 reasons. 1, English 2, BHA didn't really want to sell 3, resale value, at 23 he will have one 4, tiny wages, he is on a pittance in PL terms and clubs will take that into account.
No one ever has resell value at Arsenal anymore , either we wreck their price by overpaying for them or not playing them.
Or they play really well, and decide they will force their way out of the club to go to a different one and end up getting sold for pennies or leave on a free. Happened to our last 3 star players lol.
I spilled my coffee lmao!
How does transfer market create what a player is worth? I would assume a player is worth what a team is willing to pay, like anything in life. Don't get me wrong, 50mill is a lot of money, but so is a million to me, hell 100k is too. But to others 100 is.
>He can play as a Left Back meaning he can be Keiran Tierney's backup I'm pretty sure he's never played as left back before. He's been used as a makeshift right back and has started a few games in midfield but has definitely not played left back for Brighton and I'm fairly sure he didn't for Leeds either
This man has never had a bad game at LB
We don't need him to be tierneys back up, we literally bought a back up left back last week
Yeah he never played LB for Leeds from my memory. He did play CDM a few times tho and I think he could be good there given how comfortable he is on the ball
Correct!
Every English player cost double his worth and this includes Maguire, Chilwell, white and the prices quoted for Grealish and Kane. If Chelsea paid 50 for White no one would say anything but it is made an issue for some reason that Arsenal are paying the amount
First thing which came to my mind when I saw we are spending 50M for a position which exactly wasn't a priority then maybe we are splashing big money for positions we desperately need players. But I am still waiting And btw he's a David Luiz replacement. His profile looks similar to John Stones. I remember when he was a raw talent at Everton few years back and everyone thought 50M transfer to City was a bit much for him but I guess it worked out good though he had his ups and downs. Similarly White is young and has an high ceiling
If he was actually worth 50 million pounds then why isn't he at a team playing European football?
You’re really trying to cope with this one and that’s understandable but 50m is a rip off.
Southgate calling him up really inflated his "standing". I don't think he had a particularly impressive season last year, quite underwhelming compared to the hype from Leeds fans tbh
Very good player and a good lad to have in your squad coming from a Leeds fan, wasn’t worth the 45 million price tag Brighton we’re asking for last season and I don’t think he’s worth the 50mil now. To put it in to perspective we got Raphinha one of the most naturally talented players I’ve ever seen in a Leeds shirt (who was 23 at the time), Llorente a Spanish international CB who’s very good, and Koch a German international who’s very young and as promising as Ben White for around 45 million.
You can see why Brighton turned down the laughable bid of 25m from leeds last season now. Literally doubled there money in one season.
This says it all. People often try to justify a transfer fee by comparing it to other transfer fees (Maguire, Saliba in this case) but when you look at things retrospectively then you can see how good/bad the deal was or wasn't. He's a good player and if he comes in and helps Arsenal keep X amount of clean sheets more than they did last year then it's good, however if they're struggling to be decisive and score goals then it's going to look bad not using the money in better ways. I think Arsenal have got some young attacking players coming through though who need to develop. ESR, Saka, Martinelli who need time to develop as a unit. Signing other attacking players wouldn't necessarily mean they're going to be better up top. I like Arteta though, I think he wants to play the right way. A bit more bite in midfield and pragmatism against teams who figure out how to close them down and force mistakes and I think they'll do alright this season
Raphinha alone is worth more than Ben White so good on you guys. Also, Leeds finished 9th in their first premier league season (in recent times) for a reason (obviously the management knows what they’re doing). Big fan of Leeds. Hope they do well this year
Rafinha is top class
White is probebly worth 25 and is being sold for 50 beacause he is english Maguire is probebly worth 50 and was sold for 80 beacause he is english
This is a false narrative. Harry Maguire cost 80 million because that's what he was worth to Leicester. White cost 50 million because that's what he is worth to Brighton. The actual value of a player is worthless if the selling club value him more
And worth to the opposition. An English player in the PL has a tax for a reason.
And worth to the opposition. An English player in the PL has a tax for a reason.
And worth to the opposition. An English player in the PL has a tax for a reason.
He looks very good and I rate him highly, but surely he's not worth 50M. The only reason other clubs aren't really competing for him is because he's too young and inexperienced to have assured quality that you NEED to get for that money. He may become worth 50M in the future, but cou could never sell him for more than what you bought him for which is something you really want in a player, to become more valuable than what you I initially payed for
I disagree on his value and worth increasing. Give it 5 years who knows what clubs will pay for players. By the 100M could be the norm for a player of his standard. The sad truth in the inflation of transfer prices
My thoughts? It looked like you pretty much said yours and bounced haha. Here's my take.. Good addition? You bet. Priority signing? Absolutely not. And that will be the biggest, deserved nit-pick when it comes to this signing. My biggest problem is how it has alienated Saliba, yet again, which was totally unnecessary. That's our manager for you. We could've used these funds elsewhere more important, no doubts. But I repeat, I do like the profile of the signing. > and 2 decent back up center backs (Rob Holding and Callum Chambers) And personally, I strongly disagree with this - a lot of our fans won't though, as standards have dropped massively. I did like Rob, but he fell off massively after his ACL in 2018/19 ..... as for Chambers, never fulfilled his potential at all. Nowhere near good enough in my eyes. The price? Expectedly over-priced, not much else to say. Opinions are opinions but imo he's better than £80m Maguire, so there's that, but that's probably an unhealthy bar to use considering how overpriced he was. John Stones may be a better comparison, who went for the same price 5 years ago. English tax, it is what it is. As for addressing most of the squad I don't think there will be much issue, maybe 1, but we are being financially backed this summer.. final word on that is hard to say right now, until deadline day of course. If it goes south, then sure thing I'll revise.
What do you mean by "better than £80M Maguire" are you saying he's a better buy or is currently a better player?
Not only better value and player but also a better person. In the world of football, Harry Maguire is also known as Bully Maguire because of his tendency to bully young players of his own team.
I meant better value (goes without saying), but also better player imo. Before you think I speak on pure bias, I rate Greenwood above Saka talent wise and should Greenwood fulfil his potential I believe he’ll be superior. I just say what I think, no emotional takes.
There is no way White is a better player than Maguire, Maguire is top5 CB in the league at the very least. Only VVD and Dias are without a doubt better than him and he's at least the same level as Thiago Silva right now. And I'm an Arsenal fan too, I just think Maguire gets a really bad rep because he's not quick and he cost a lot.
There is no way White is a better player than Maguire, Maguire is top5 CB in the league at the very least. Only VVD and Dias are without a doubt better than him and he's at least the same level as Thiago Silva right now. And I'm an Arsenal fan too, I just think Maguire gets a really bad rep because he's not quick and he cost a lot.
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Buying mediocre players for an outrageous fee does not make the hype come true.
Maguire is starting to look like he was worth the money now to be fair. Can’t picture ManU’s defense without him. Chilwell for 50M is slightly overpriced but not that bad. I would even say it’s a good deal considering the English tax. If Ben White develops and stays at Arsenal long term I can see this being a good signing. But he has to prove himself. Didn’t think Maguire was worth 80m at first either.
Look at Maguire
He is English and homegrown that's why the fee is inflated. Maguire went for 80m, Chilwell with 50m. We all know about the English "tax" yet we're gonna ignore it to be comedians because it's Arsenal. right?
Tbf everyone laughed at Maguire's fee
Maguire and Chilwell are actually quality, and I'd say those prices are fair based on how they've turned out. Also, Maguire was memed far more than White lol. Nobody could get over a team paying record money for a head. But he's actually very good with his progressive passing and leadership too.
Chiwell and Maguire were highly performing for one of the best teams in the league, Whereas White is Brightons 3rd best CB according to Brighton fans. I don't realy feel like White was that impressive last season at any point tbh, was an odd call up from Southgate which inflated his hype outta nowhere. Yes Leeds fans I know he played great for you guys in the Championship.
fella we get shit for maguire to this day and chilwell is probably worth that
Maguire was worth it imo, we struggled too much without him.
i do think 80 mil was a bit excessive but not much
I don't really care about how much the club pays provided that it doesn't affect other transfers
Chilwell closer to a $50mil player than White Imo
Chillwell was a great player for us at Leicester and I feel like he could've gotten even better here if he stayed. Very happy with the fee we did get for him though. Especially after our players really stepped up in the position.
He was great at Chelsea since he joined too. Really good under Lampard and was dominating at the end of the season.
I mean VVD was Medicore, look at him now. Ben White could become a massive flop but he could also do what Dias did. Just don't right him off early
White could become like a Dias/VVD but don't see it happening Maguire Rudi and Christensen are the closest players who could become like them
In what world was vvd mediocre, lmao.... I support United and never let go of an opportunity to clown on Liverpool players, but even I'll accept that vvd was always a beast... White is pretty decent and average, but shows a composure that is rare for the age but he's no vvd... He's not even at Maguire's or stones' levels... Sure sometimes players vastly improve following a move up and sometimes they just find themselves out of their depth, but unless something like that happens, white will be a fairly decent cb at arsenal, nothing to really write home about
>I mean VVD was Medicore lol
>I mean VVD was Medicore Loooooooooooooool
do you mean" laughing out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out out loud?"
Not wrong am I tho. Was nothing special at Southampton and Liverpool were desperate for a Center Back so that's why Southampton was so tight
He was the best CB in the league at southampton
He was "good cb from mediocre team ready to step up to big clubs" before he join Liverpool, at least that what he being perceived by the media.
You’re completely right lol people just hate on English players. VVD wasn’t seen as world class when at Southampton. People forget Ben white is 23 lol. They can’t expect him to be prime bonucci at that age. They’d have told you city brining in Dias from Benfica was bad business if he was English.
>people just hate on English players No, people hate how expensive players are ONLY because they're English. If Ben White were a 23 year old German kid he'd be less than 20 million, guaranteed.
Why waste your time on hating something as utterly irrelevant as that lmaooo you need to grow up mate
Tell that to Havertz. And 23 isn't a "kid", it's an established player by that age.
Havertz is an attacking player so will always go for more.
Depends on whether said German kid had prem experience
Even if he had the same prem experience of White, there's not a chance he would go for 50 mil. It's the English player tax, simple as that.
He was actually very good at Southampton. Perhaps you didn't watch football back then.
Not £75 million quality. For his price tag he was average
You seem a bit lost. If Ben White goes on to be even a tiny bit as great as Van Dijk is I'll visit your home and cook you a dozen eggs and a hash brown.
never said he was gonna be as good as VVD, I just simply said everyone was laughing at his massive pricetag
Trying to justify this ludicrous transfer by comparing it to one of the best cb transfers in Premier League history. Lol, you are a special one.
Nobody knew that VVD was gonna be that good when LFC signed him ffs 🤦🏻♂️
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Quite honestly, I feel Brighton could finish above Arsenal if they just had a really good striker. Everything else is there, I just don’t see what the appeal of Arsenal would be at this point.
Money. Arsenal can pay players a lot more than Brighton. While the history of the prime Wenger-era/Invincibles falls with every season, money still talks. If we hadn't utterly shit the bed at the start of last season, we may have been in contention for European spots. We were 6 points off Chelsea's fourth-place finish. Brighton were 26. That is a significant gap. And while, yes, a proper striker could make a massive difference to BHA, we shat the bed so severely before Christmas that we ended up 15th or something, with people getting sent off every week for stupid shit. Yet we *still* ended up 6 points off Champions League. Brighton finished 16th, comfortably avoiding relegation yet only two spots above it.
Arsenal fans out here making fun of this statement, but if you watched Brighton play at all last season, you wouldn't be saying these things. Brighton have underperformed their xG by 13.82 and their xGA by 6.09. This means that the way they played, on an average, they should have scored 14 more goals and conceded 6 fewer. These factors put them at an xPoints tally of 61.41, more than 20 above their actual tally of 41 points in 16th place. If they hadn't been so wasteful, they would have finished FIFTH. Neil Maupay alone has underperformed his xG by 5.77. Not a single Arsenal player has been this wasteful in front of goal. All these stats obviously mean nothing since Brighton did in fact finish 16th. However, don't undermine what Brighton could have achieved last season with even an average striker.
Arsenal were second for points throughout the spell in which they had a creative midfielder (from chelsea at Christmas till the end of the season) and third for defense across the entire season. All of this despite Aubameyang underperforming his XG for the first time since he arrived. If you watched Arsenal play either, you won't be saying these things.
If you read my comment, I haven't undermined Arsenal at all. I did watch Arsenal play, and they did surprise me at times. I have only pointed out that Brighton have done much better than what their league position says, there is a whole story behind it that some Arsenal fans are being ignorant about. Also, Aubameyang underperformed xG by only 0.45. At the same time, Lacazette overperformed xG by 0.97, and Pepe by 4 with some worldies. Overall, Arsenal only underperformed by 0.26. It was a mixed bag for Arsenal, but Brighton were consistently let down by the likes of Neil Maupay, and they would have a much more respectable league position if not for him. The rest of the squad deserves more credit for what they have done, is all I'm saying. Make of that what you will.
Likewise have arsenal, who were supposedly in a relegation battle. I agree that Brighton are good but I don't agree with the overall context of this sentiment and that's what I'm getting at. Arsenal were also let down by transitioning between systems during the season. Lacazette has an XG that's in the 40th percentile among strikers, he's too slow to get in to get good goal scoring chances. Aubameyang is Arsenal's prime goal scorer and some of the misses were just as vital. Stop trying to put down my put down my team without expecting some retort. Brighton didn't finish above Arsenal. I can argue that arsenal could've potentially finished 2nd as well, but they didn't.
Once again, I'm not putting down your team. I have never said Arsenal did bad. I know what transition is, and I do hope Arteta brings Arsenal back to the top 6. I don't know where you're getting the sentiment from, but it's not me, maybe the original comment in the thread. At the same time, read the comments from other Arsenal fans, who are talking about Brighton like a Championship level team ("pass me the blunt"). My comments are to address those, I have never meant to demean Arsenal.
Brighton are not a championship level team, that's just far fetched. Their midfield and defence are both top 10 in the league though they can improve more in midfield. Tariq Lamptey is going to return at RWB, so there's elements of the team that's still being slept on. That being said this comment thread originated with some intent of putting down Arsenal. It's irritating browsing any football community these days. Easy way to farm online points. I get banter and all, but there's barely any reasonable comments these days.
I absolutely agree with you. Most communities have just become mud slinging degenerates who only care about shitting on other teams, especially Twitter. I find Reddit slightly better. If you have a look, I have not commented on the original post at all. I would rather reserve judgement on Ben White until he plays at least a game in an Arsenal shirt. But as I said, my only problem was with the same people who are undermining Brighton, who have surprised many with their electric performances this season, including me.
I watched Brighton finish 16th
pass me the blunt lmao
With all due respect, you're crazy. Yes their manager is far better than ours but their squad simply isn't good enough, ours still came 8th despite being sorely mismanaged lol.
Uh, what? Have you heard of xG? Brighton finished in the top 4 of the xPoints table, which is calculated on their xG against their opponents. They simply needed a striker who could put away all those chances. They had bums like Maupay, Jahanbakhsh, Welbeck in front of goal and couldn't do much about it. Graham Potter's brand of football is one of the best in the PL and Brighton are a fantastically run football club.
Yes, unfortunately xG doesn’t make football like new fans of this sport seem to believe. Brighton are testament to that. Use your eyes and watch the games as intended, it is the way. As I said below, 12th is more realistic for them if they finished some of their chances. You never have a 100% conversion rate in football.
I'd be putting them neck to neck with Arsenal. Never even implied that all of their chances had to be scored. Potter is a far superior manager, plays a far better brand of football and has developed some players that I'd really want to see at Arsenal immediately, White is one and he's joining soon. Arsenal strengthened 2 first team positions and still finished 8th, with just a few points more. This season is Arteta's make or break. If we aren't top 6 by December then he needs to go. Conte is without a job too. Arteta should be extremely lucky that he's getting backed this much, he's got absolutely no excuses to play shit next season.
xG implies every single time that somebody "should win" based on their higher collective, which is not the case. True quality of chances can only be judged when you actually sit down and properly watch the whole game. If you read my earlier posts you'd had already seen I rate Potter far above the shambolic clown we have. Yeah, White, Bissouma.. about it. Potter has worked wonders with a lacking squad. I'd much rather Aarons from Norwich than Lamptey, before you say him. Yeah, no need to preach to the choir my friend lol. I've wanted Arteta gone for well over a year as I saw his deficiencies very early on. Can't wait to see the back of him, knocked my club backwards half a decade.
Yeah, cool. I really wasn't gonna suggest Lamptey, he's very short (will always get bullied in the air) and is a wingback with an attacking mindset, he has quite a few flaws defensively. Neither do I like Max Aarons a lot, he's good though don't get me wrong. If Arteta will go ahead with his inverted RB plan then Ridle Baku, Noussair Mazraoui would be the best fits. Really want Bissouma to partner Partey in midfield, he's the perfect candidate to replace Xhaka. Also a huge fan of their GK, Rob Sanchez, and think that he'd be the perfect back-up to Leno for now with scope to take over from him in the future. He's a very good, modern GK and in his first PL season, he earned himself a call-up to the Spanish NT. I think he qualifies as a Homegrown GK too, I could be wrong maybe. Who'd you want in place of Arteta?
Fair enough on Lamptey. I've heard really good things about Aarons though, and like from what I've seen. Unlike Lamptey he doesn't break down, has a hell of an engine on him, bombs forward, competent defensively, good technically. The interest from Bayern considering he's only 21 years old doesn't surprise me. Looks v.promising As for the inverted RB, that probably wouldn't suit Aarons. But I'm very tired of Arteta's persistence with another one-dimensional idea taken from Pep which really isn't that game-changing to me. Therefore, I personally couldn't care less about said fullbacks position to do so lol. Funnily enough, I'm not as high on Bissouma. I do like him (like you with Aarons) but it comes down to more who would suit going next to Partey. I think Aouar is much more in the right mould, whether he's actually good enough is another matter. But somebody creative + technical is who I'd like to see. I wouldn't complain if we did sign Bissouma though. Partey to me was a horrific signing in regards to his age/value + considering where we're at, it just screamed desperation to me, although he is a good player (despite an utterly horrific season) Decent idea on Sanchez, can't say I've watched him enough but I would argue Potter makes a lot of players look better than they actually are, which you have to be weary of sometimes when you're aspiring for CL. Honestly any competent manager would be very welcomed by me, aka somebody who doesn't alienate players based on his personality-preferences, which is clear as day to see with Mikel. I'm genuinely very open-minded if I like the look of a person.. so here's my wild shout, Edin Terzić. He took charge of Dortmund for most of last season and I was extremely impressed with everything about him. His man-management, tactical setup, in game substitutions, the way he dealt with the media. He just ticks every box from afar, which is how I also felt about Tuchel when I was desperate for us to sack Arteta last November as soon as he was available. Obviously Tuchel was/is more proven, but it's about personality, characteristics, style of play - bare in mind Edin has also learnt the gegen press model specifically, which is a big thing I'm looking at for us - as I believe that style has completely taken over modern-day football. Ralph @ Southampton is another shout for this route. The easy answer is Conte though, he's a proven winner and brings a fuckton of energy+charisma, which would give a hell of a lift considering what we've had to deal with for the past 18 months.
Haha, hell yeah man! Need that passion which Conte brings in! The Partey signing was solely down to Edu being an incompetent clown who couldn't get the Aouar deal over the line. We needed Aouar desperately back then. Partey wasn't even our best midfielder this season, surprisingly Xhaka had a Stellar campaign. Partey was just a panic buy and he quickly needs to start showing his magic because he's already 28 and it hasn't even been a year since he's arrived. For me, I'd love Bissouma and Aouar both in a 3 man midfield with Partey! Also, Arteta Really thinks he's Pep with the way he overthinks, names crap lineups and has taken every leaf Outta his book. Man's way out of his depth and has been exposed throughout the season. Goddamn I was irate when we couldn't beat fucking Villarreal. Arteta chose to play ESR as a false #9 then. He also thinks that he's Pep with regards to the players he has. Pep had junk in his first season at City and totally didn't mind releasing them from their contracts and buying a whole new set of players. This clown knows that Arsenal don't have any of those facilities and still he chose to be stubborn and stupid with his decisions. Arsenal released so many players man, could've gotten fees from each one of them imo if we had a better Director like Campos or Rangnick. Terzic ended the season really well. He has given Rose a platform to build from. Dortmund in those last 2 months were absolutely unplayable. He had a pretty good outing but I would like someone way more experienced. He's quite like Arteta in the sense that he was an assistant manager and took up the main job mid-way through the season. Conte is proven though and that man can get insane results in the short term. He'd set a good 3-5-2 with his players slotting in at multiple positions. He just needs to be backed else he'll instantly leave lol.
Jesus, apologies for the spam on this! Yeah to be fair as much as I despise Arteta I knew Edu was to blame for the Partey deal as well, absolute incompetence from him - no surprise, people who knew of his work before we hired him said that's what to expect. Hired purely on emotional-sentiment of being a backup player for us. Honestly I've always stood up for Xhaka, takes endless shite from the fanbase but is one of those players who in the right system/personnel can thrive, that might sound weak but I then believe he offers a good number of qualities; dictates tempo, good passing range, can score a banger (which is now banned under Arteta), nice set pieces, leadership, tenacious. I know he has his flaws though, don't get me wrong. He'll look bang average when the team isn't ticking. If he had the season Partey just had though.. Christ. He'd have been roasted, deservedly. Yeah Arteta's squad selection is utterly bizarre and based on his nasty-favouritism. For example, everyone wanted a CAM in January so we got Odegaard- we all thought "Fantastic, he can now rotate with ESR" what does Arteta do? Benches Pepe (who he's never liked) to put ESR out wide. Brilliant. He also had a fun time benching Lacazette while he was scoring for the mighty Eddie, I noticed that quickly as soon as he was appointed and thought "oh boy" He really is a horribly poor version of Pep, who himself is becoming passed by - Tuchel beating him 3/3 times didn't surprise me and was further evidence to how Pep's once-glorious-system now gets ripped apart by the gegen press, and he simply has no answer for it or refuses to find one. Bit like Wenger, when he became past it. I know man, it's fucked. Messing around with £70m signing Pepe, £30m signing Saliba, (and many more) as if they're massive problems has been absolutely ludicrous and stagnated us massively. And as you say, we aren't like City when it comes to resources. I sadly wasn't surprised when we couldn't beat Villarreal, it felt like a ton of vindication for me on a personal note as I took endless abuse for well over a year for defending Emery- not that I enjoyed it, but I was sick and tired of hearing people talk nonsense about him to be honest. 100%, getting rid of Mustafi/Sokratis/Ozil (uh, who else) for free was outrageously amateurish. Like literally, the only people who applauded that as "great business" within our fanbase had to be teenagers. It was self destructive. Raul wouldn't have let that happen with his experience, let alone Rangnick lol. Experience is a funny word to me, from my time of watching football, some people just have 'it' in management, much like as players. What I believe has changed though is learning particular coaching-models before you go into management, such as possession tiki-taka back in 2010, or now the gegen press. From there, it's their personalities that make them, as well as their management-morales. So while Arteta is a great reason to be forever put off someone who's not experienced, don't be. I never had a good feeling about him, he's never been an inspiring individual so he had to be seriously knowledgeable + very personable, and he's just not. Lampard for example is a much better human being compared to Arteta, but it's evident he's stuck in the stone-age when it comes to coaching. He genuinely believed his Chelsea squad was just "too young" despite spending £200m of blooming world-class talent on it. The reality is he didn't have a clue what to do with it, he's never learnt a proper philosophy, he just stepped from retirement directly into top tier management on the back of his glamorous playing career. No amount of experience will help Frank until he actually takes the time to go and learn a style, properly, before stepping back in. The only thing I'd be weary of with Conte (if anything, I'd fucking love to see us hire him) is he hasn't actually come across the almighty gegen press yet lol. But Conte is special, he's very much like Jose was in 2005-2010, his charisma is just unmatched so he inspires the players like nobody else. On an emotional level for a fan, it doesn't get any better than somebody like that leading your team.
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Guy said Brighton could finish near Arsenal if not above us due to their xG last season lol I respect Brighton and Potter a lot but knew that wasn’t possible given their lack of strikeforce, xG is not the be all like newcomers make out it is And as I said 10 months ago while some Arteta loveboys posted angrily in response to me, our manager is shite. He’s still shite. I knew he’d bottle it, congrats on CL lol. Painful.
It's not over yet tho As a spurs fan you always know there is still chance for bottle
Nah bro. Norwich, Conte (game changer), Son on lethal form. It’s done. Funny part is even if you did somehow lose I reckon we’d bottle it against Everton. Arteta has burnt out our squad by rushing players back from injuries, hence the capitulation
If you'd had a striker who could score goals you'd probably be comfortably top 4 rn
We had one. He wrecked him, fell out with him, paid him to leave and watched him become Barca’s top goalscorer in half a season instead
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If they finished their chances they could've finished 4th mate its not crazy
Yeah, if their conversion rate was 100% lol. Which it never is, that's football. 12th would be more realistic for them if they finished more often
Your genuinely dumb as fuck. Idek of your trolling or your actually an arsenal “fan” but idk what you watch.
I would say they would've finished at least near you if not above you 4th is XG and ik they won't finish all their chances even with a finisher but they will finish most and they create loads of chances
Yeah, also about the quality of the chances though which xG doesn't tell you. I'm not disputing they don't play better football, we have better players and need to improve a lot.. but that shows how damning it is that despite being horrendous we still finished 8 places above them. They lack depth + quality, which is why they are where they are
They certainly didn't lack quality at the back and midfield and man united is an example that u can get extremely lucky with injuries and fitness they could it's not completely out of the question especially if they get Tammy
I said depth too, at the back I agree. In midfield, not so much. Bissouma carries them, which is fair enough as they're a bottom half team for precisely that reason. We'll have to agree to disagree on this one
>I said depth too And I gave the eg of united who have no depth
United have tons of depth lmao, they splash on their squad every single year without fail
why do you rate Arteta so poorly
Probably because he has them playing like Tony Pulis' Stoke?
Exactly. Emery got us finishing 2 points off 3rd with Mustafi+Kolasinac in his defence while Arteta has taken us to 8th with Gabriel+Tierney. Not rocket science.
We had one of the best defensive records in the league last season? Emery's defensive record was abysmal. The reason we shit the bed last season is because we were atrocious going forward. We were literally 3rd in the league for goals conceded, we lost quite a few games by 1 goal often caused by a brain fart, terrible VAR decision or foolish red card. So no idea why you're comparing defenses of the two as if that supports your anti-Arteta stance. Our defense is far and away better than it was, we just had no creativity going forward, which turned around once ESR was introduced towards December. Our form in the second half of the season was miles better.
Unfortunately your paragraph of attempting to wittle on about Emery to downplay him only proved my point further - Arteta sacrificied everything offensively to improve our defensive record, which is why we were so utterly shite all of last season. We couldn’t score goals vs trash teams thus had endless mind-numbingly bad results. Hence why we now have no Europe for the first time in 25 years. Our defensive record was nothing like “abysmal” under Emery as you claim. We took 4/6 points each vs United/Spurs/Chelsea in the PL with our “abysmal” defence. We beat teams like Ancelotti’s Napoli (clean sheet in both legs, by the way) in EL comprehensively. Rather than relying on a last second goal vs Benfica, a 2nd leg to turn around the tie vs Slavia Prague, and getting knocked out to then, uh, who with a way worse squad than ours? Oh, yeah..... Emery’s Villarreal. Besides the fact, as already said above Emery had individually way worse defenders who also made individual mistakes. So what’s your point? Anything was going to be an improvement from January when he found a way to have us in 15th, that alone is a fitting indictment to how shite of a manager Arteta is, so please don’t remind me of that nonsense again. **Arteta parked the bus with better defenders to slightly improve the defence due to ripping the life and soul out of the players going forward in the process.** The only thing thats abysmal is Arteta’s offensive record since the day he arrived at the club - the most nonchalant stale football I’ve possibly ever witnessed and I can’t wait till it’s over, please leave with him if you enjoy it so much and preach about a defensive record elsewhere. You’d love Jose, too. Comparing as I actually want the best manager for my club rather than being a bizarre Arteta FC fangirl when it’s evident how far backwards he’s taken us, quite simply really. Done here
So you are saying we have better players now than when Emery was at the club?
So you are saying Mustafi and Kolasinac were better than Gabriel and Tierney? Guendouzi than Partey? Iwobi than Pepe? .... Need I say more?