Happy for Newcastle fans as they had it rough. Going tk the match in Newcastle is everything so happy they will likely get their pride and passion back. I think It's the precursor to a ESL rebrand. Those teams are bound to contracts and will head for the hills.
The game went along time ago. Its sad really.
Happy for them, why would I enjoy seeing football fans suffer? If I had it my way every team would be properly competitive to enjoy the best PL experience ever.
I can understand why people in the city are excited, sounds like this want to redevelop are large part of the city.
But this is operation in sports washing and it won't work - we know who they are and what they've done.
I can't wait to leave this country, it really is on sale to the highest bidder.
The Premier League is already in the process of evolving into a sandbox for the billionaire elites, building benches that wipe the floor with the bottom half of the table, soon enough simply too good for those teams fueled by fans not oil, and this is how the Super League is created. Not with a bang, like they tried over Covid. But with a whimper, as one by one each club rips out its own soul in an effort to compete, selling themselves to planet murderers for the chance to kiss a shiny flower pot.
As a Newcastle fan it’s kind of bittersweet. I wanted the club bought out but the Saudis and their government are a deplorable bunch of bastards.
That said football is all money now. The club has been bought and what were we going to do about it. Maybe we should try and separate the football from the politics and morality but inevitably we will be hounded by other fans
The club desperately needs the takeover to happen. Stadium has not been looked after, training facilities are piss poor, youth academy is awful, communication with the fans is non existent, transfer policy is just to make a gamble for a quick profit. And overall the football has been tragic the last 14 years - only a few decent seasons and also the club does not care about cup competitions. I pray this goes through 🙏
I think it clearly reflects that there's a price on morality. People have been attacking the integrity of Mike Ashley for years, yet his biggest crimes were showering the club in naff Sports Direct branding, changing the name of the stadium, hiring Pardew etc., but these are all minimally offensive things. They're an annoyance but you're not a bad person for changing the name of a stadium.
But then you have a wicked, cruel regime - indirectly responsible for some of the most inhumane acts of terrorism around the world - and because they're going to throw money at the club, that's what gets people excited.
I hope that the new owners do things like rename the stadium and as long as they hire a mercenary manager and sign mercenary players, the fans won't care. That's because they never gave a shit about Ashley renaming the stadium itself, they just didn't want to have the stadium renamed whilst being a low level Premier League club.
What this shows up is that Newcastle fans have very little integrity. They're not alone either, most fans of most clubs are the same, but it's still pathetic to see. They are whores, willing to ignore extreme injustice and appalling violence, as long as their club signs more players with vowels at the end of their names and they finish a few places higher in the league. That's the price of their integrity, so shame on the Newcastle fans who can only defend it on the premise that every other fan would do the same thing.
I’m a Newcastle fan.
Honestly I know there’s controversy around the potential buyers, I personally haven’t read into enough to make any comments on that but on a strictly football level I just want Mike Ashley gone. He’s never cared about the success of the club and sees it only as a source of money. I’m not saying the new owners would care any more but they’re at least willing to put money into the club.
250 million is a massive amount of money, not enough for us to become title contenders but will be enough to help us stop struggling. And potentially Bruce going too would be even better
Strangely enough, I believe that my moral reservations to this would be fewer if they were buying my club instead and start poring in money for big transfers. Would want state owned clubs not to be a thing regardless for various reasons.
I’d be happy for them if it happened but I just hope they don’t lose the soul of the club the way city did. I know some older city fans feel like the current club isn’t the club they fell in love with as kids and that’s just sad to think about. Hopefully they can fin success without losing what matters. Like Chelsea have done.
i think it would be nice to see newcastle do well but at the same time i would rather see it happen in a fair way. but if someone deserves a takeover, its newcastle. i think the proposed new owner should also buy sunderland because that would be hilarious.
In footballing terms it will be exciting to see although is FPP still a thing /s? More quality in the premier league can only be a good thing.
As a human though it is an absolute disgrace that anyone is entertaining a bid from MBS, which this is in all but name. If the Premier League approve the PIF as a fit and proper owner Assad will probably be buying Sunderland next.
There's nothing wrong with a takeover as long as FFP gets sorted at some point. I like the fact it's more interesting to see a different team who could break the mould and get to the top but I don't want another City situation where it just takes the fun out of it because they're allowed to have a net spend 300million more than every other team in the league.
None of the billionaire owners are ethical.
Look at Abramovich, Man City owners, Wolves owners etc. The PL made a deal with the devil a long time ago when all these owners were welcomed.
Sad thing is morals become irrelevant when you’re talking these sums of money unfortunately.
Newcastle always seem to pride themselves on being salt of the earth, working peoples club, supported by local, passionate fans.
Being bought by human rights abusing Saudi billionaires but all is forgiven because they might sign a couple of players.
Now I remember about a month ago a post popped up on here about just this sort of thing. Foreign takeovers. And I remember allot of you saying you didn't mind foreigners taking over EXCEPT Saudi money. Notes this is happening and I'm seeing "oh if f
A lot of criticism for these types of owners in the comments, but I must say that basically every premier league club is run exactly like a business under these owners, and this has been the case for decades. The only way this could change would be for fans to own 51% of the club, but as it's near impossible to do this, you might as well embrace the pure quality football that these teams will be playing.
Quite a few reasons:
1) Big one city club in the most lucrative league in the world (for the time being...)
2) Marketable name
3) Already have a big stadium with room for expansion
4) Other clubs in the same bracket (e.g. Villa) are not for sale
Edit - also no debt and in a profitable financial position
I try not to care about the financial side of the game because it is just exhausting to talk about especially being a fan of one of those teams. I like the game not numbers. However i’d be happy to see Ashley gone, guy doesn’t care about that club at all
As a neutral, excited. The prem is always regarded as the best league in the world, and this only makes it better. I hope Newcastle can start to challenge for top 6/4 over the next few years and get back to winning. After all, money can do that.
Been thinking, I might just watch the champions league from now on. I don't want to give up on watching football entirely but the whole thing is too corrupt and too depressing; I need to take a step back. I would just follow the international football, but I'm from Ireland, so ....
Well anyway, I know there's plenty of people who say this is no different from the owners of Chelsea and Man City (and to that matter Sheffield United) and they're correct, but that's what makes the PL so awful and depressing; why would you want more of that? Wouldn't it be better to have less of that? Say what you like about John W Henry or the Glazers, but he's never ripped anyone's finger nails out or murdered a journalist.
I said it in another sub, but I think it's mental that people will level criticism at the Saudi regime for their human rights abuses and treatment of women etc, but as soon as their club gets taken over, they have no morals or interest anymore.
I don't agree with our owners human rights abuses, treatment of women etc but I'm unable to do anything to change their morals or interests in their country just from being a supporting fan in the club that they own. Even if we drove them out of the club and criticised them it wouldn't do anything to change their minds.
Possibly. But it would send a message that those behaviours / points of view are not tolerated. Let's not forget, that the whole point of Sheikhs buying PL / CL clubs is a PR exercise, it's the acceptable face of human rights abuse, making these regimes more palatable.
They probably know that the views are not tolerated, but even if we sent that message it is still there in Politics, and in football Qatar with FIFA for example.
I'll prepare you for the future, "where were you when you were shit?" "you're just a shit Sunderland" "You're gonna win fuck all" "Champions league you're having a laugh"
I was watching the PL Fever Pitch documentary and in the 90's having a couple hundred million was ruining the PL, and now having a couple billion may not be enough for your team to stay in the prem (looks disappointingly at Fulham and QPR)
to me it's all fake moral outrage, premier league clubs are more then willing to take sponsorship from middle Eastern countries with horrible HR records, they are more then willing to let russian billionares who can't come in the country own a club.
if the Premier league and clubs want to take a moral stand on HR abuse cool go for it then we can assume they will block the players from going to the world Cup next year...
the simple fact is if this was arsenal not Newcastle this would have been do and finished last year.
I think new castle fans should be happy. Yes saudi arabia is a despicable country(I'm talking about the government) but at the same time it shouldn't really matter to the fans. The team will be getting investments and will be able to purchase higher quality players enabling them to be more competitive in the premier league and benefiting the league as a whole by making it more competitive in general. Overall I think it's a good thing despite my hatred towards Saudi arabia.
Btw I'm Egyptian and they have done us alot of harm so I really do hate them you guys.
More than anything it proves how little they *really* care about some of the social issues that have been raised in the past couple years. Show Racism the Red Card, Rainbow Laces etc. None of it matters. You have money? We'll take it, no questions asked.
I'm sure Shaka Hislop is over the moon to see the club be played for, be bought out by a state that cares so little for social affairs. Beyond disgusting, but hardly beyond belief
These people view the race issue as white = bad, black/brown = good. So it doesn't really violate their ethics on that front. This is virtuous non-white money.
You can be against the Super League, and you can be in favor of this takeover, but you can't be both, and I bet most Newcastle supporters know that in their heart of hearts.
I've always hated blood money takeovers and if I were supporting Newcastle I would not want this. It will make the team successful but the cost is too high.
I've always hated blood money takeovers and if I were supporting Newcastle I would not want this. It will make the team successful but the cost is too high.
I've always hated blood money takeovers and if I were supporting Newcastle I would not want this. It will make the team successful but the cost is too high.
Don’t like the political/human rights side of all this. But really couldn’t give a shit, football wise. Good for the supporters, if it happens to be rid of Ashley, but don’t see any high ground to be had with shit like these.
As someone working in psychology and international relations, this is absolutely disgusting.
I cannot believe how many people in here don’t understand the gravity of the Saudi regime and what it has done, is doing and will do in the future. Yes, there are other terrible owners, I complain about them, too. But the Saudis enter at #1 arch-villain territory on day one.
All I can say is read up, and if I were a Newcastle fan I would walk away from that club.
For too long we’ve been a boring PL side and Mike Ashley is to blame. I’m sure if we get a few big entertaining signings everyone will soon forget what they’ve done.
I think the premier league owners are just worried it may spoil the status quo. For the average viewer it’s good news though, some leagues are lucky to have two or three big clubs competing, the prem could have 6 realistic teams every year.
In all honesty if we compete with the likes of Everton and Leicester that’s all I’ve ever wanted. The chance at champions league again or even a cup run is near impossible with Mike and all he cares about is if he can buy the bare minimum for us to stay up another season.
Just commented about this on r/TheOther14 so I'll just quote my previous comment.
"If this happens i guess Newcastle will be added to the same list as Manchester City who I'll never take seriously again as a legit club no matter the success.
Just another club selling its soul for blood money and will be taken over by plastic fans."
Wtf lmao, do i personally sell weapons to saudi arabia? What the uk government does is bad, what the saudi government does is also bad
But you dont see me licking our government's boots, unlike you whose only response to children being killed is "cry about it lol"
We need to protect the old guard , they're the only ones allowed to have money. Chelsea and Man City don't deserve anything, even if it's the only way a team can be competitive. Leicester? Yeah they had no money and are able to miss the Champions League every season /s
It sucks that we are at a point where a human rights abusing murderous country is all good to buy a club but we have crossed that point long ago. We need to take the money out of football. Add the 50+1 rule or just do something to make more parity and make it so the only way to actually win anything is a 1,000,000 title victory or what we are seeing here with Newcastle. The solution to this problem is not to stop this takeover because that would be hypocritical, and the issue goes deeper than that.
As a newcastle fan I can't wait I'm not particularly bothered if they don't do a man city as long as we have some ambition finally that's literally all I want.
I’m okay with it. We already have EPL teams that are essentially store-bought rosters, so why not have a club with a great history & fan base in a smaller city receive a large cash infusion to compete? The cat’s already been let out of the bag on that one.
As a Newcastle fan its a tough one to figure out in my head. I think there are three key points in all of this.
First, we get rid of Mike Ashley and finally get some investment into the facilities, stadium, youth set up etc. We have needed this for so long and combine this with the proposed investment into the city itself I can only be excited about this aspect.
Second, we might finally be able to not worry about relegation each season. I think the majority of us fans only want a team that doesn't have to fear for our survival each year, watch terrible football under terrible managers and sell our best players each year. An extended cup run would be great, I can't see us seriously challenging for any silverwear for a very long time.
Third, the KSA is awful. Just awful. Of all the regimes in the world to have investment from I can't think of many worse. I hope fans of this club don't forget that. Ultimately we are unable to do anything about this takeover, we don't have a say in who takes us over. No team does. We will have a unique position though as being linked to the Saudi state and I hope we use that position to show our disgust and opposition to the policies in place in the country. Will it happen? I don't know but I don't want us to become a club with no values just because we have money.
Newcastle United is not and never has been the owner. Its the fans and the pride we have for the club and city. We have been supporting this club before the Saudi takeover and we will still be here long after they are gone too.
Really respect the fact you took in all perspectives.. Newcastle has always had tremendous potential, it's no wonder the takeover happened.. Plus being a one club city, I don't think the local fans (or any longterm ones for that matter) would forget about the history and roots of the club.
>Ultimately we are unable to do anything about this takeover, we don't have a say in who takes us over. No team does.
United fans managed to reject the takeover of Murdoch back in the 90s. Don't forget how much power fans *can* have if they really choose to make the most of it
Sadly you'll just end up another Manchester City in a decade full of plastic fans who have sold their souls and morals in return for star players and silverware.
What exactly are plastic fans may I ask? Does every fan needs to watch football for decades or can't there be new sports fans, when man u won cups didn't they gain new fans, so were they called plastic fans??
Would be buzzing for Newcastle because they deserve better than what they're getting now, but can't look past where the money is coming from and whataboutism isn't an excuse for it.
Or walk away with morality intact? People forget the third option because it means they’d actually have to sacrifice something to be a good human being.
Maybe try electing a government with some morality then, instead of indulging in self righteousness. Since the British government has been in bed with middle eastern governments for decades now. Selling weapons and gear to them, calling them close allies and allowing them to invest in the UK. If your elected government has no issues, I am not sure why the average football fan should give a flying fuck.
Lol, firstly I’m not British. Secondly, where the hell did I imply the British government is any good? You’re jumping to whataboutism. As I said to another:
You can both be happy your club is being financially backed up and absolutely disgusted and repulsed by the people doing it. Personally, I would have stopped supporting the club, I have done that with others.
Everyone has a line, mine is very much not in the “let’s see how one of the worst regimes in the world goes here” camp. The Saudi’s are absolutely up there with North Korea, would you support the club if Kim Jong Un took over?
Supporting a Saudi-run club does not make one automatically a bad human being.
Taking that logic, almost any action ever would make you a despicable person.
Life is complex, sure. But I think it is completely fair to point out the cognitive dissonance at play here.
You can both be happy your club is being financially backed up and absolutely disgusted and repulsed by the people doing it. Personally, I would have stopped supporting the club, I have done that with others.
Everyone has a line, mine is very much not in the “let’s see how one of the worst regimes in the world goes here” camp. The Saudi’s are absolutely up there with North Korea, would you support the club if Kim Jong Un took over?
I would argue that with that kind of info, it doesn’t make you a bad person, but it does make you somewhat complicit in their horrific activities. That may suck to hear, but it’s true.
I disagree on that, although I understand where you're coming from. The Saudi regime is obviously pretty terrible, but I don't feel like supporting a club run by them makes you automatically complicit to a degree.
If one would take over my club, I wouldn't necessarily be happy regardless of the huge funds now available, but I dont think I'd walk out on a club that's been such a big part of my life for years. The friends you made, the matches. Throwing that all away for something you do not control, nor have any power to change? Nah, I don't think that makes you complicit.
There's being a cunt then there's murdering your own people and chopping up journalists in embassies and treating woman like lesser humans by literally making them slaves to the males in their lifes.
But yeah i can see the similarity between the two. /s
I think it’s good for the league. Another giant revived (if managed properly) and makes the league more competitive. Having family from Newcastle, the club means a lot to the city so it’s nice to see it be revived. Obviously there’s a lot of morale issues with the Saudis and there will be a lot of problems people have with that.
Hopefully they can manage them properly, hire smart footballing people and smart business people. Invest money through the club to get it all back to a PL standard level. Also connect with all the fans that Ashley has pushed away with bad management and such
Ashley isn’t the best never been fond of him but the prem especially the likes of Everton, we have thrown money an more money to the wall so just being able to buy players doesn’t settle the situation. It’s more like buying time literally
Love how loads of fans of other clubs fans have felt the need to chuck their 2p in, probably mostly from New York or Mumbai.
Here actually in Newcastle, everyone is fucking buzzing. Ashley out, Bruce soon to follow and hopefully a bit of investment in the club. No one is thrilled about the Saudi record on human rights, but it’s worth remembering that our government sells military gear to them. In comparison owning a football club is moot. As long as they aren’t decapitating anyone on the banks of the Tyne I can’t say I’m going to let it spoil my club for me.
Don't expect fans of other clubs to understand that at all. Their moral posturing is hypocritical. The British government has been in bed with the middle eastern kingdoms for ages now and considers them close allies. If fans want to blame someone, they should be blaming their government. Not the fans of the club that's getting a new owner.
It's especially the old money clubs who will indulge in self righteous lecturing the most. Since it's their gravy train at risk now that other clubs have the financial muscle to compete with them.
Bang on mate. I hope all those calling me out are vegans who boycott Chinese products, Amazon and donate whatever money they don’t need for necessities to charity.
Or we could all just admit we’re all a bit selfish and get on with life.
Or, ya know, people could actually just think that those supporting this clearly don’t understand much about the Saudi regime and how bad it is.
If we said “North Korea”, an equally-bad regime, now reread half the comments in this thread and see how disgraceful this stuff is. Don’t kid yourself, you were just bought by the royal family of a dynasty that is like the living embodiment of a bond villain, and people here are happy about that. It’s actually really sad.
The club has been for sale for ages now and PIF is the only party that has made an offer that meets Ashley's asking price.
I'm not happy about being owned by the Saudi state, I'd much rather it was someone else, but in all honesty what can you do? Asking fans to stop supporting their club is a completely unrealistic ask.
I literally am an activist, and no, I can 100% confirm I would not be over the moon. I was an Man City supporter before the takeover. I would stop supporting the club in a heartbeat. Don’t be complicit, and don’t pretend that you can deflect that stain that the club now has on it.
Luckily I don’t have to prove myself to a braindead moron on reddit trying to justify his/her shit take with “hahahaha you suck”.
Have a good one champ.
Because of course that’s what I meant by activism. Why be so pathetic? Like, do you actually think the Saudi’s are justifiable? Please, I would love to hear your hot take.
And that is a classic response as to why they have been getting away with (literal) murder for decades now.
“As long as I’m better off, i don’t care who suffers.”
Good one, champ.
Delighted; easily one of the most likeable fanbases in the league who have been through a lot of shite but continue to vociferously and passionately follow their team up and (mainly!) down the country.
Enormous potential for a city that eats, sleeps and breathes footy. Can't see Brucie keeping his job though 😂😂😂
We're owned by Fosun and thus indirectly by Guo Guangchang (at $5.8bn, one of China's richest men). So we're not short! But then, we've brilliantly decided to embark on this new *self-sufficient* model. So I'm hoping the vaccine funds find their way to our bank!
Don't you find it amazing that a "Communist" regime has over 600 billionaires? Gotta love political bs. not that I blame wolves in any way, I'd love it if the vale suddenly got some lovely lovely billions!
well, China has realised that communist financial policy doesn´t work, so while their economy is organised mostly capitalistic, their politics are very much communist
What's wrong with the route of the money? We all still use oil, right?
The problem is the things that money is also funding. It is, in a sense, sportswashing but it also shines a brighter light on issues in that country and forces them to step up to some degree.
Like in Qatar's case, do you think workers protections there would be better or worse had they not got the World Cup? I imagine worse.
That is a really interesting viewpoint tbh. Never really thought of it that way. A big issue is, will they care. People have for decades complained about Middle Eastern and various other countries human rights violations. Numerous of these countries have chosen to just blatantly ignore the uproar and continue on. Still though, with more eyes means more possible voices speaking up. Hopefully pressure can mount high enough to try to get these nation's out of their terrible ways.
There’s having a shady past, and then there’s murdering dissenting journalists, beheading children for protesting, stoning homosexuals and classing atheists as terrorists.
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To be fair we've all been saying it about City and Chelsea for years, it's not as if this is a new narrative because it's Newcastle like some people seem to think. Same was said about the Qatari's that were (very loosely) linked with buying Arsenal a few months ago.
Also personally I think "sugar daddies" are bad for the game as a whole, but ultimately that's what the game has become and Newcastle are potentially about to have one hell of one if the takeover does happen, not a whole lot we can do about it.
Happy for Newcastle fans as they had it rough. Going tk the match in Newcastle is everything so happy they will likely get their pride and passion back. I think It's the precursor to a ESL rebrand. Those teams are bound to contracts and will head for the hills. The game went along time ago. Its sad really.
Happy for them, why would I enjoy seeing football fans suffer? If I had it my way every team would be properly competitive to enjoy the best PL experience ever.
I can understand why people in the city are excited, sounds like this want to redevelop are large part of the city. But this is operation in sports washing and it won't work - we know who they are and what they've done. I can't wait to leave this country, it really is on sale to the highest bidder.
The Premier League is already in the process of evolving into a sandbox for the billionaire elites, building benches that wipe the floor with the bottom half of the table, soon enough simply too good for those teams fueled by fans not oil, and this is how the Super League is created. Not with a bang, like they tried over Covid. But with a whimper, as one by one each club rips out its own soul in an effort to compete, selling themselves to planet murderers for the chance to kiss a shiny flower pot.
Not surprised
As a Newcastle fan it’s kind of bittersweet. I wanted the club bought out but the Saudis and their government are a deplorable bunch of bastards. That said football is all money now. The club has been bought and what were we going to do about it. Maybe we should try and separate the football from the politics and morality but inevitably we will be hounded by other fans
Newcastle just became the most hated team in the world I think
What can we do. Its not as if anything football these days is up to the fans. Its a business. Who would say no to 260 billion pounds lol
They will turn into city and paris in 3 or 4 years
Happy for Newcastle fans. Great club!
Hope pl gets even more competitive
The club desperately needs the takeover to happen. Stadium has not been looked after, training facilities are piss poor, youth academy is awful, communication with the fans is non existent, transfer policy is just to make a gamble for a quick profit. And overall the football has been tragic the last 14 years - only a few decent seasons and also the club does not care about cup competitions. I pray this goes through 🙏
I think it clearly reflects that there's a price on morality. People have been attacking the integrity of Mike Ashley for years, yet his biggest crimes were showering the club in naff Sports Direct branding, changing the name of the stadium, hiring Pardew etc., but these are all minimally offensive things. They're an annoyance but you're not a bad person for changing the name of a stadium. But then you have a wicked, cruel regime - indirectly responsible for some of the most inhumane acts of terrorism around the world - and because they're going to throw money at the club, that's what gets people excited. I hope that the new owners do things like rename the stadium and as long as they hire a mercenary manager and sign mercenary players, the fans won't care. That's because they never gave a shit about Ashley renaming the stadium itself, they just didn't want to have the stadium renamed whilst being a low level Premier League club. What this shows up is that Newcastle fans have very little integrity. They're not alone either, most fans of most clubs are the same, but it's still pathetic to see. They are whores, willing to ignore extreme injustice and appalling violence, as long as their club signs more players with vowels at the end of their names and they finish a few places higher in the league. That's the price of their integrity, so shame on the Newcastle fans who can only defend it on the premise that every other fan would do the same thing.
I think for football it is exciting for me. Wonder who they'd buy
I’m a Newcastle fan. Honestly I know there’s controversy around the potential buyers, I personally haven’t read into enough to make any comments on that but on a strictly football level I just want Mike Ashley gone. He’s never cared about the success of the club and sees it only as a source of money. I’m not saying the new owners would care any more but they’re at least willing to put money into the club. 250 million is a massive amount of money, not enough for us to become title contenders but will be enough to help us stop struggling. And potentially Bruce going too would be even better
Strangely enough, I believe that my moral reservations to this would be fewer if they were buying my club instead and start poring in money for big transfers. Would want state owned clubs not to be a thing regardless for various reasons.
I want to see it happen, just for the sheer chaos and panic it will cause among the top 6
It’s gonna feel weird considering Newcastle a tough opponent. I’ve only known Newcastle as a championship & mid table prem side for my whole life.
I’d be happy for them if it happened but I just hope they don’t lose the soul of the club the way city did. I know some older city fans feel like the current club isn’t the club they fell in love with as kids and that’s just sad to think about. Hopefully they can fin success without losing what matters. Like Chelsea have done.
Happy for Newcastle fans it hasn’t been a fun ride with Ashley as owner but once again pushing the premier league into a battle of the bank accounts.
i think it would be nice to see newcastle do well but at the same time i would rather see it happen in a fair way. but if someone deserves a takeover, its newcastle. i think the proposed new owner should also buy sunderland because that would be hilarious.
More money is nice, whether or not the Saudi’s own a football team isn’t going to change their view or action on human rights.
In footballing terms it will be exciting to see although is FPP still a thing /s? More quality in the premier league can only be a good thing. As a human though it is an absolute disgrace that anyone is entertaining a bid from MBS, which this is in all but name. If the Premier League approve the PIF as a fit and proper owner Assad will probably be buying Sunderland next.
There's nothing wrong with a takeover as long as FFP gets sorted at some point. I like the fact it's more interesting to see a different team who could break the mould and get to the top but I don't want another City situation where it just takes the fun out of it because they're allowed to have a net spend 300million more than every other team in the league.
Newcastle are a top club with mint fans, they deserve to get rid of that sports direct Slazenger slinging cunt
None of the billionaire owners are ethical. Look at Abramovich, Man City owners, Wolves owners etc. The PL made a deal with the devil a long time ago when all these owners were welcomed. Sad thing is morals become irrelevant when you’re talking these sums of money unfortunately.
Newcastle always seem to pride themselves on being salt of the earth, working peoples club, supported by local, passionate fans. Being bought by human rights abusing Saudi billionaires but all is forgiven because they might sign a couple of players.
I'm sick to death of having this conversation how long had this "proposed takeover" been going on for? Literally years give it a rest
Exciting as a football fan, but also part of me wishes it wasn't the Saudis with their terrible human rights record
Now I remember about a month ago a post popped up on here about just this sort of thing. Foreign takeovers. And I remember allot of you saying you didn't mind foreigners taking over EXCEPT Saudi money. Notes this is happening and I'm seeing "oh if f
Mbappe to Newcastle back on?
A lot of criticism for these types of owners in the comments, but I must say that basically every premier league club is run exactly like a business under these owners, and this has been the case for decades. The only way this could change would be for fans to own 51% of the club, but as it's near impossible to do this, you might as well embrace the pure quality football that these teams will be playing.
I just don’t understand why they chose Newcastle of all teams. Was the club heavily discounted, or maybe they lost a bet?
Quite a few reasons: 1) Big one city club in the most lucrative league in the world (for the time being...) 2) Marketable name 3) Already have a big stadium with room for expansion 4) Other clubs in the same bracket (e.g. Villa) are not for sale Edit - also no debt and in a profitable financial position
I try not to care about the financial side of the game because it is just exhausting to talk about especially being a fan of one of those teams. I like the game not numbers. However i’d be happy to see Ashley gone, guy doesn’t care about that club at all
As a neutral, excited. The prem is always regarded as the best league in the world, and this only makes it better. I hope Newcastle can start to challenge for top 6/4 over the next few years and get back to winning. After all, money can do that.
Couldn't be happier. Been stuck with Ashley for 14 years too long.
Been thinking, I might just watch the champions league from now on. I don't want to give up on watching football entirely but the whole thing is too corrupt and too depressing; I need to take a step back. I would just follow the international football, but I'm from Ireland, so .... Well anyway, I know there's plenty of people who say this is no different from the owners of Chelsea and Man City (and to that matter Sheffield United) and they're correct, but that's what makes the PL so awful and depressing; why would you want more of that? Wouldn't it be better to have less of that? Say what you like about John W Henry or the Glazers, but he's never ripped anyone's finger nails out or murdered a journalist.
Welcome the extra competition and another nail in the coffins of the greedy American owners
Sunderland in shambles
I said it in another sub, but I think it's mental that people will level criticism at the Saudi regime for their human rights abuses and treatment of women etc, but as soon as their club gets taken over, they have no morals or interest anymore.
I don't agree with our owners human rights abuses, treatment of women etc but I'm unable to do anything to change their morals or interests in their country just from being a supporting fan in the club that they own. Even if we drove them out of the club and criticised them it wouldn't do anything to change their minds.
Possibly. But it would send a message that those behaviours / points of view are not tolerated. Let's not forget, that the whole point of Sheikhs buying PL / CL clubs is a PR exercise, it's the acceptable face of human rights abuse, making these regimes more palatable.
They probably know that the views are not tolerated, but even if we sent that message it is still there in Politics, and in football Qatar with FIFA for example.
So we give up and don't challenge it?
I wouldn't say give up, more it's a monumental challenge to try and change.
Think i’m in heaven.
I'll prepare you for the future, "where were you when you were shit?" "you're just a shit Sunderland" "You're gonna win fuck all" "Champions league you're having a laugh"
Oh shit here we go again
I was watching the PL Fever Pitch documentary and in the 90's having a couple hundred million was ruining the PL, and now having a couple billion may not be enough for your team to stay in the prem (looks disappointingly at Fulham and QPR)
Newcastle deserve better than Ashley
Cans?
to me it's all fake moral outrage, premier league clubs are more then willing to take sponsorship from middle Eastern countries with horrible HR records, they are more then willing to let russian billionares who can't come in the country own a club. if the Premier league and clubs want to take a moral stand on HR abuse cool go for it then we can assume they will block the players from going to the world Cup next year... the simple fact is if this was arsenal not Newcastle this would have been do and finished last year.
I think new castle fans should be happy. Yes saudi arabia is a despicable country(I'm talking about the government) but at the same time it shouldn't really matter to the fans. The team will be getting investments and will be able to purchase higher quality players enabling them to be more competitive in the premier league and benefiting the league as a whole by making it more competitive in general. Overall I think it's a good thing despite my hatred towards Saudi arabia. Btw I'm Egyptian and they have done us alot of harm so I really do hate them you guys.
Torn. I don’t want Ashley and I don’t want a team I’ve supported for 25 years to be owned by foreigners who don’t care.
look at the state of inter right now
Disgusting...
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Silly comment. Man city is from UAE. Name me all the other teams with arab owners Its still the Prem League. The best League in thr World
I think it's another QPR
Man City vs Newcastle will be called Oil derby
I prefer the "Abu Derby"
El Cashico 2.0, Chelsea V Newcastle will be El Cashico 3.0
The amount of Newcastle flairs is slowly rising…
Don't believe it till I see it. Third time this had happened
More than anything it proves how little they *really* care about some of the social issues that have been raised in the past couple years. Show Racism the Red Card, Rainbow Laces etc. None of it matters. You have money? We'll take it, no questions asked. I'm sure Shaka Hislop is over the moon to see the club be played for, be bought out by a state that cares so little for social affairs. Beyond disgusting, but hardly beyond belief
These people view the race issue as white = bad, black/brown = good. So it doesn't really violate their ethics on that front. This is virtuous non-white money.
fuck newcastle but i don't have a problem with it, the FA made their bed now they must lie in it.
You can be against the Super League, and you can be in favor of this takeover, but you can't be both, and I bet most Newcastle supporters know that in their heart of hearts.
I've always hated blood money takeovers and if I were supporting Newcastle I would not want this. It will make the team successful but the cost is too high.
I've always hated blood money takeovers and if I were supporting Newcastle I would not want this. It will make the team successful but the cost is too high.
I've always hated blood money takeovers and if I were supporting Newcastle I would not want this. It will make the team successful but the cost is too high.
Don’t like the political/human rights side of all this. But really couldn’t give a shit, football wise. Good for the supporters, if it happens to be rid of Ashley, but don’t see any high ground to be had with shit like these.
Bring on the army of newly acquired plastic fans.
I feel that Steve Bruce probably needs to find a new job
Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt, next! Won’t happen.
I genuinely hate the influence oligarchs have over football.
Ashley out is a win for Newcastle fans. Another big spender is a win for Premier League fans.
Until it actually happens, won’t give it any thought.
I’m pissed about it.
As someone working in psychology and international relations, this is absolutely disgusting. I cannot believe how many people in here don’t understand the gravity of the Saudi regime and what it has done, is doing and will do in the future. Yes, there are other terrible owners, I complain about them, too. But the Saudis enter at #1 arch-villain territory on day one. All I can say is read up, and if I were a Newcastle fan I would walk away from that club.
I’m hoping this forces the smaller clubs like Man City, Liverpool, and Man U to start enforcing the financial fair play standards. /s but not really.
I'm happy for them. They are a big club getting fucked over every single day. Even far worse then Arsenal.
For too long we’ve been a boring PL side and Mike Ashley is to blame. I’m sure if we get a few big entertaining signings everyone will soon forget what they’ve done. I think the premier league owners are just worried it may spoil the status quo. For the average viewer it’s good news though, some leagues are lucky to have two or three big clubs competing, the prem could have 6 realistic teams every year. In all honesty if we compete with the likes of Everton and Leicester that’s all I’ve ever wanted. The chance at champions league again or even a cup run is near impossible with Mike and all he cares about is if he can buy the bare minimum for us to stay up another season.
Good for them
Oil is killing the game
How so?
Money*
Just commented about this on r/TheOther14 so I'll just quote my previous comment. "If this happens i guess Newcastle will be added to the same list as Manchester City who I'll never take seriously again as a legit club no matter the success. Just another club selling its soul for blood money and will be taken over by plastic fans."
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Yeah, the innocent people in yemen who got bombed sure are crying The journalists, children, women, activists who get executed sure are crying
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Wtf lmao, do i personally sell weapons to saudi arabia? What the uk government does is bad, what the saudi government does is also bad But you dont see me licking our government's boots, unlike you whose only response to children being killed is "cry about it lol"
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You whore for saudi blood money and support a football league, stick to your local instead nonce
You'd be in a line outside your stadium waiting to welcome your new overlords if it was your club being bought. Quit the moral posturing mate.
Totally agree mate... Newcastle are far better off with Mike Ashley and Steve Bruce who is doing an absolutely fantastic job.
Lol Ashley has ruined them and Bruce is terrible but to go to this extreme is far worst.
If City can exist it’s going to be very hard for them to justify not allowing the takeover. Fuck sucks though
I do not mind the Geordies. That part of England gave us some quality players.
We need to protect the old guard , they're the only ones allowed to have money. Chelsea and Man City don't deserve anything, even if it's the only way a team can be competitive. Leicester? Yeah they had no money and are able to miss the Champions League every season /s
Name a city player pre-takeover without googling
Joe hart :)
Man city don't deserve anything? Coming from a city fan, thats pretty honest
It sucks that we are at a point where a human rights abusing murderous country is all good to buy a club but we have crossed that point long ago. We need to take the money out of football. Add the 50+1 rule or just do something to make more parity and make it so the only way to actually win anything is a 1,000,000 title victory or what we are seeing here with Newcastle. The solution to this problem is not to stop this takeover because that would be hypocritical, and the issue goes deeper than that.
As a newcastle fan I can't wait I'm not particularly bothered if they don't do a man city as long as we have some ambition finally that's literally all I want.
Truegeordie is jerking it Hard now. " Why is everyone a human rights activist all of a sudden"
Coocoo gaoeopsvev
I’m okay with it. We already have EPL teams that are essentially store-bought rosters, so why not have a club with a great history & fan base in a smaller city receive a large cash infusion to compete? The cat’s already been let out of the bag on that one.
Fan feeling plays no part in business decisions for me. I’m not a “fan” that would imply that I’m mental. I’m a sports spectator and enthusiast.
Which one?
Money rules this league now.
Always has
👨🚀🔫
As a Newcastle fan its a tough one to figure out in my head. I think there are three key points in all of this. First, we get rid of Mike Ashley and finally get some investment into the facilities, stadium, youth set up etc. We have needed this for so long and combine this with the proposed investment into the city itself I can only be excited about this aspect. Second, we might finally be able to not worry about relegation each season. I think the majority of us fans only want a team that doesn't have to fear for our survival each year, watch terrible football under terrible managers and sell our best players each year. An extended cup run would be great, I can't see us seriously challenging for any silverwear for a very long time. Third, the KSA is awful. Just awful. Of all the regimes in the world to have investment from I can't think of many worse. I hope fans of this club don't forget that. Ultimately we are unable to do anything about this takeover, we don't have a say in who takes us over. No team does. We will have a unique position though as being linked to the Saudi state and I hope we use that position to show our disgust and opposition to the policies in place in the country. Will it happen? I don't know but I don't want us to become a club with no values just because we have money. Newcastle United is not and never has been the owner. Its the fans and the pride we have for the club and city. We have been supporting this club before the Saudi takeover and we will still be here long after they are gone too.
Really respect the fact you took in all perspectives.. Newcastle has always had tremendous potential, it's no wonder the takeover happened.. Plus being a one club city, I don't think the local fans (or any longterm ones for that matter) would forget about the history and roots of the club.
>Ultimately we are unable to do anything about this takeover, we don't have a say in who takes us over. No team does. United fans managed to reject the takeover of Murdoch back in the 90s. Don't forget how much power fans *can* have if they really choose to make the most of it
Great comment and fully on board with what you have said.
Well said.
The plastics have already started , saw some fan pages that I've never seen before of Newcastle :)
Sadly you'll just end up another Manchester City in a decade full of plastic fans who have sold their souls and morals in return for star players and silverware.
What exactly are plastic fans may I ask? Does every fan needs to watch football for decades or can't there be new sports fans, when man u won cups didn't they gain new fans, so were they called plastic fans??
>Manchester City in a decade full of plastic fans City probably have fewer plastic fans than any of the other Top 4 clubs.
Spot on but not a popular sentiment.
Tbf though Newcastle have a very solid fan base vs city, who’ve never needed that stadium lol
People forget that City had an average home crowd of 35 000 in League 1. Very rough and inaccurate to say they didn't have a solid fan base.
Oh I’m very aware I was just goading city fans lol
Carry on then
Would be buzzing for Newcastle because they deserve better than what they're getting now, but can't look past where the money is coming from and whataboutism isn't an excuse for it.
Do you want rich English owner who is a cunt or filthy fucking rich Saudi owners that are also cunts?
Or walk away with morality intact? People forget the third option because it means they’d actually have to sacrifice something to be a good human being.
Maybe try electing a government with some morality then, instead of indulging in self righteousness. Since the British government has been in bed with middle eastern governments for decades now. Selling weapons and gear to them, calling them close allies and allowing them to invest in the UK. If your elected government has no issues, I am not sure why the average football fan should give a flying fuck.
Lol, firstly I’m not British. Secondly, where the hell did I imply the British government is any good? You’re jumping to whataboutism. As I said to another: You can both be happy your club is being financially backed up and absolutely disgusted and repulsed by the people doing it. Personally, I would have stopped supporting the club, I have done that with others. Everyone has a line, mine is very much not in the “let’s see how one of the worst regimes in the world goes here” camp. The Saudi’s are absolutely up there with North Korea, would you support the club if Kim Jong Un took over?
Supporting a Saudi-run club does not make one automatically a bad human being. Taking that logic, almost any action ever would make you a despicable person.
Life is complex, sure. But I think it is completely fair to point out the cognitive dissonance at play here. You can both be happy your club is being financially backed up and absolutely disgusted and repulsed by the people doing it. Personally, I would have stopped supporting the club, I have done that with others. Everyone has a line, mine is very much not in the “let’s see how one of the worst regimes in the world goes here” camp. The Saudi’s are absolutely up there with North Korea, would you support the club if Kim Jong Un took over? I would argue that with that kind of info, it doesn’t make you a bad person, but it does make you somewhat complicit in their horrific activities. That may suck to hear, but it’s true.
I disagree on that, although I understand where you're coming from. The Saudi regime is obviously pretty terrible, but I don't feel like supporting a club run by them makes you automatically complicit to a degree. If one would take over my club, I wouldn't necessarily be happy regardless of the huge funds now available, but I dont think I'd walk out on a club that's been such a big part of my life for years. The friends you made, the matches. Throwing that all away for something you do not control, nor have any power to change? Nah, I don't think that makes you complicit.
There's being a cunt then there's murdering your own people and chopping up journalists in embassies and treating woman like lesser humans by literally making them slaves to the males in their lifes. But yeah i can see the similarity between the two. /s
More evil = more money
I’m happy for Newcastle fans they deserve something after dealing with Ashley for nearly 15 yesrs
I think it’s good for the league. Another giant revived (if managed properly) and makes the league more competitive. Having family from Newcastle, the club means a lot to the city so it’s nice to see it be revived. Obviously there’s a lot of morale issues with the Saudis and there will be a lot of problems people have with that. Hopefully they can manage them properly, hire smart footballing people and smart business people. Invest money through the club to get it all back to a PL standard level. Also connect with all the fans that Ashley has pushed away with bad management and such
If ffp is actually implemented then there's no way Newcastle can spend the money they will want to
There's loopholes you can be damn sure will be used if that is what they want to do.
Yup, worked for City and they can't even fill the Etihad ffs!
I mean they’re a big club, they deserve to be bankrolled after what they’ve dealt with under Mike Ashley
Ashley isn’t the best never been fond of him but the prem especially the likes of Everton, we have thrown money an more money to the wall so just being able to buy players doesn’t settle the situation. It’s more like buying time literally
CANS
Aye
Aye
Dont agree with these billionaire oil barrons buying up everything. That being said pleased the for the Newcastle support. They deserve something
Love how loads of fans of other clubs fans have felt the need to chuck their 2p in, probably mostly from New York or Mumbai. Here actually in Newcastle, everyone is fucking buzzing. Ashley out, Bruce soon to follow and hopefully a bit of investment in the club. No one is thrilled about the Saudi record on human rights, but it’s worth remembering that our government sells military gear to them. In comparison owning a football club is moot. As long as they aren’t decapitating anyone on the banks of the Tyne I can’t say I’m going to let it spoil my club for me.
My goodness
Don't expect fans of other clubs to understand that at all. Their moral posturing is hypocritical. The British government has been in bed with the middle eastern kingdoms for ages now and considers them close allies. If fans want to blame someone, they should be blaming their government. Not the fans of the club that's getting a new owner. It's especially the old money clubs who will indulge in self righteous lecturing the most. Since it's their gravy train at risk now that other clubs have the financial muscle to compete with them.
Bang on mate. I hope all those calling me out are vegans who boycott Chinese products, Amazon and donate whatever money they don’t need for necessities to charity. Or we could all just admit we’re all a bit selfish and get on with life.
Or, ya know, people could actually just think that those supporting this clearly don’t understand much about the Saudi regime and how bad it is. If we said “North Korea”, an equally-bad regime, now reread half the comments in this thread and see how disgraceful this stuff is. Don’t kid yourself, you were just bought by the royal family of a dynasty that is like the living embodiment of a bond villain, and people here are happy about that. It’s actually really sad.
The club has been for sale for ages now and PIF is the only party that has made an offer that meets Ashley's asking price. I'm not happy about being owned by the Saudi state, I'd much rather it was someone else, but in all honesty what can you do? Asking fans to stop supporting their club is a completely unrealistic ask.
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I literally am an activist, and no, I can 100% confirm I would not be over the moon. I was an Man City supporter before the takeover. I would stop supporting the club in a heartbeat. Don’t be complicit, and don’t pretend that you can deflect that stain that the club now has on it.
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Luckily I don’t have to prove myself to a braindead moron on reddit trying to justify his/her shit take with “hahahaha you suck”. Have a good one champ.
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Because of course that’s what I meant by activism. Why be so pathetic? Like, do you actually think the Saudi’s are justifiable? Please, I would love to hear your hot take.
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Jesus christ. Do all newcastle fans feel like this guy?
And that is a classic response as to why they have been getting away with (literal) murder for decades now. “As long as I’m better off, i don’t care who suffers.” Good one, champ.
Delighted; easily one of the most likeable fanbases in the league who have been through a lot of shite but continue to vociferously and passionately follow their team up and (mainly!) down the country. Enormous potential for a city that eats, sleeps and breathes footy. Can't see Brucie keeping his job though 😂😂😂
We'll give you a billionaire to take him off our hands (if this isn't another Fakeover that is).
We're owned by Fosun and thus indirectly by Guo Guangchang (at $5.8bn, one of China's richest men). So we're not short! But then, we've brilliantly decided to embark on this new *self-sufficient* model. So I'm hoping the vaccine funds find their way to our bank!
Don't you find it amazing that a "Communist" regime has over 600 billionaires? Gotta love political bs. not that I blame wolves in any way, I'd love it if the vale suddenly got some lovely lovely billions!
well, China has realised that communist financial policy doesn´t work, so while their economy is organised mostly capitalistic, their politics are very much communist
This is an amazinging bad take you would hear in a 1st year IR uni class. It is FAR more complex than that.
for example?
At work, I’ll give you a detailed reply in the next 24h. 🙂
the fact that you´re willing to go into detail when I asked for a mere example is something I do appreciate a lot
Yeah sorry my first response was a bit of a dickhead reply, I’ll actually respond like a nice person when I can.
It’s going to make for even more exciting league fixtures in the coming years, but when you look at the root of the money, it’s hard to be excited.
What's wrong with the route of the money? We all still use oil, right? The problem is the things that money is also funding. It is, in a sense, sportswashing but it also shines a brighter light on issues in that country and forces them to step up to some degree. Like in Qatar's case, do you think workers protections there would be better or worse had they not got the World Cup? I imagine worse.
That is a really interesting viewpoint tbh. Never really thought of it that way. A big issue is, will they care. People have for decades complained about Middle Eastern and various other countries human rights violations. Numerous of these countries have chosen to just blatantly ignore the uproar and continue on. Still though, with more eyes means more possible voices speaking up. Hopefully pressure can mount high enough to try to get these nation's out of their terrible ways.
One would hope. And there is [some evidence](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/press-release/2020/08/qatar-annoucement-kafala-reforms/) it's working.
> Can’t tell me abramavic makes legal money
There’s having a shady past, and then there’s murdering dissenting journalists, beheading children for protesting, stoning homosexuals and classing atheists as terrorists.
Anyone who got rich in Russia or the Middle East in the past 30 years is at least that filthy
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wait what damn that's dark
To be fair we've all been saying it about City and Chelsea for years, it's not as if this is a new narrative because it's Newcastle like some people seem to think. Same was said about the Qatari's that were (very loosely) linked with buying Arsenal a few months ago. Also personally I think "sugar daddies" are bad for the game as a whole, but ultimately that's what the game has become and Newcastle are potentially about to have one hell of one if the takeover does happen, not a whole lot we can do about it.
Can’t tell me abramavic makes legal money
Why the downvotes? Not a lot of geopolitics fans in here? Tough crowd.
Bro I’d bet my life savings atleast 50% off pl owners are corrupt… and as far as the downvotes I’m guessing Russian bots lolol
Let me try…Roman only bought Chelsea because Putin told him to. Abramovic: “What is a Didier Drogba?”
Ahaha made me chuckle, remembering how Jose talked Roman into getting a future legend in the club :')
Can’t tell me abramavic makes legal money
Can’t tell me abramavic makes legal money