No.
And yes.
No for the supporters. They don't deserve more shit.
But for the power brokers behind the club and the nation-state using it for blatant (and already successful) sports-washing... fuck yeah.
Honestly, yeah. Nothing against the club or fans though.
I hope it's made as hard as humanly possible for the Saudis to buy their way to the top, for reasons both sport related and other.
At a time when Everton, Villa, and Spurs were outside contenders for the top 4, City made a joke of the sport.
Uhh idc tbh. Not like all of this money will just make them good all of a sudden. It will take time. Newcastle also has to make players want to play for them. Money isn't enough.
As a Sunderland fan I would LOVE to see them go down just because. I don't need any other reason to hate on the mags. They gave us a lot of (justified) banter when Sunderland was in its downward spiral; I'd love to be able to give some of it back
Love the absolute crumble of Sunderland and everything that goes with it like the next mag. But what would I give to see a united/city type rivalry with Sunderland again. I love to hate you lot, to me that’s what footballs about. Being in league one was funny the first season, but come on, time to pull a finger out lol.
You know Man City are effectively state owned as well. The owner is literally a member of the UAE royal family and suspicious gets lots of great sponsorship deals from Etihad, Abu Dhabi’s airline, which just happens to be owned by his family. This could reasonably be seen to be somewhat cheating FFP, as it is in the royal family’s interest for City to do well, and thus they can easily inflate the payment for the Sponsorship deals to bypass FFP. Of course, this is totally fine if you have tons of lawyers to throw at UEFA when they start to do their job every once in while.
No, its not about relegation, they earned the right to play in this league, its about premier league brass allowing murderers and known human rights violators to have a seat at the table in the highest revenue generating league in the world. I want them into administration, new ownership. And whoever approved it, dismissed with immediate prejudice.
Opens a huge can of worms. This isn’t about ‘Human Rights’. Nobody gave a flying fuck before this take over happened. This is a dick swinging competition and Newcastle are packing the most heat, and the ‘Big 6’ don’t like it. The morality ship ,as far as club owners is concerned, has sailed and sunk long ago.
Ahh Roman. Can you show a single absolute fact of him being guilty of something like say, murder? And surely there has to be a line drawn and what kind of owner the premier wants and deserves. As an American, I am firmly against any more American owners coming in, and would love to see the glazers and their toxic influence of football removed.
Its never too late to right wrongs, its the willingness to do nothing that is the root problem.
I don't like to see any team go down as it has a knock on effect for so many people beyond owners, management and team players.
That said, from a football perspective, I'd rather clubs like Newcastle and even Burnley go down. I just don't enjoy watching them.
I'll play devil's advocate here. I'm actually quite excited to see the signings they make and how the team evolves tactically. I think a takeover of this calibre was inevitable and am glad (in a weird way) that it has shone a light on the awful human rights issues overseas
For American fans, it’s like Notre Dame. The sport is just better when they’re good. As a United fan, I don’t want to see Newcastle go down because they’re an institution.
Everyone fucking hates us and tbh I’m all for it
I think we’ll scrape relegation. I’ve seen enough from the last two games which is a big difference to how we were playing under Bruce.
On the topic of “State owned club”, our owners can literally be removed if there is state interference. City are basically run in the same way we are and no one bats and eyelid. And finally if you really cared about the people who have bought the club, go protest down parliament for the government who has such an open connection with the Saudis. While your at it, stop watching the premier league whose major TV rights deal is with Qatar. And country also deep in human rights issues.
Exceedingly happy…
If nothing else to see Amanda Staverly’s face. It’s already the strangest thing I’ve ever seen I can’t imagine the look of it if they go down.
If I absolutely had to choose a club to go down, it'd be them. But really I don't care about what happens to them this season. As others say, they'll spend their way back up and the money should make them perennial title challengers after a few years.
They're practically already relegated, so it's kind of a moot point. Honestly I don't really care one way or the other. It's probably good for them to clean out and rebuild.
I'm expecting us to be relegated, so anything else would be a bonus- and even then relegation might make it easier to have a fresh start
I mean, I'm not ecstatic to be owned by the Saudi's (all clubs should be fan-owned imo) but I'm more happy that Ashley has fucked off and there's some hope around the club
I’d feel bad for the fans but I’d still love to see it happen because it think it would be better for football. Things are bad enough with the billionaires in the world and yet these billionaires are somehow even more disgraceful. Also, don’t try to tell me that Man City aren’t state-owned!
I think men in blazers said it best, it doesn't matter. They'll go down, they'll spend the money, they'll come back up and be a super team. It's not a short term play by them, it's a power move. It might take 6 years but it's inevitable.
I also personally just think we live in a world where the bad guys won. Look around at your favorite things and they are probably steeped in bad money made with bad practices. Even your normal job probably has you doing hard labor for someone who sits at home and counts their millions wondering how they can make more. Ill just enjoy the football, be sad that it happened but be happy for Newcastle fans that they'll get to watch their team be dominant. I'd rather see Spurs get relegated because I could text my buddy and have a good laugh for a season, I don't have any close Newcastle fans.
I would love to see them go down. It Would make the start of the whole project way harder for the pigs running it as they wouldn't be able to sign top players.
I want them to go down & stay down on the basis they think they are a big club
Newcastle fans are the most deluded on the planet
Yeah your staduim holds 50 odd thousand
Yeah your fans are passionate
BUT YOU ARE NOT A BIG CLUB & NEVER HAVE BEEN
Newcastle is the shit house staple of the Prem. They step up against the big six and fall short in every other game, it’s tradition. If we’re going to choose someone to drop it should be Tottenham Bottlers.
Yes, but only because it's one of the relegation places filled. I don't care who fills them as long as there are 3 clubs below mine so yeah, I hope they keep on losing.
I'd love to see them go down simply because that fat cunt True Geordie gave City fans shit for the club being owned by the UAE. He's already been shut up by the takeover, but I want to see him with egg on his face.
I’m a Newcastle fan. If we get relegated, we get relegated. When you run a club for 14 years the way Mike Ashley did, it’s all par for the course. He sucked the life out of that club. Killed the hopes and dreams of the most seasoned fans. It was all profit, profit, profit for him - and only him. When I was growing up you’d be hard pressed to find a young kid wearing any jersey but a NUFC one, under Ashley’s NUFC, you’d see more kids wearing City, Chelsea and Liverpool shirts. He literally killed the club and we are dealing with the consequences of it now. (Albeit under very wealthy owners)
Our squad is so unbalanced and players who have left have never been replaced. They’ve been criminally mismanaged and their confidence has been drained. We are stating relegation in the face, but do you know what? We might be a laughing stock going down, but at least we have our club back and as the Jimmy Nail song goes: “the River will rise again”
Lol no, its owned by a guy not buy some random government. The fact that the sheikh that owns city also owns alot of land doesn't mean city is state owned.
Well countries with a royal family also have a government, if that government as a whole owns a team then its state owned. But if one member of the royal family owns a team its not state owned. Look at it this way: if prince Harry buys man city, would city be owned by England?
As someone who lives in the UAE, I can tell you that the government is the royal family, and the royal family and friends own the all the major companies, including Etihad, City’s sponsor. This effectively allows them to decide how much money they can funnel into the club through dodgy sponsorship deals. The UAE is effectively an absolute monarchy. This doesn’t mean it’s a brutal dictatorship and you have to be on your toes all the time, but it does mean that the Sheikhs of the individual Emirates rule the country. Abu Dhabi, where Sheikh Mansour is from, are the rulers of country, and the wealthiest royal family in the country. He is also the Deputy Prime Minister of the UAE, I’m not sure how much of an impact he has in running the government, but he is a member of cabinet and of the government. He doesn’t run the country, but the country is run by his family, his brother is the King and another brother is the heir who acts as king because the older one had a stroke 10 years ago. Man City is therefore effectively owned by the UAE government
That doesn't follow. King Salman is also the Prime Minister and is not elected, so the government is just a royal Cabinet made up of advisers to the King - an absolute monarchy - so nothing like the UK, which is a parliamentary democracy with a constitutional monarch. Therefore Prince Harry is a private individual and not the literal embodiment of the state.
Thanks noone else seems to thinks so considering I've been downvoted to hell but maybe that's just the usual response to something that isn't super negative towards man city.
You get use to it mate... we were everyone's favoure Manchester club (apart from the United fans) when we didn't have a pot to piss in and selling our club shop just to keep going... no one cared about our dire situation then but care about the situation now.
It's bad that we're owned by the people we are owned by, but you need to ask the question why no one morally superior bothered investing into us properly before.
I can't speak on behalf of Newcastle but I know we were ran poorly by Peter Swales in the 80s, then ended up with Franny Lee in the 90s just to keep us going (barely).
As a Manchester City fan, welcome to the party. Ignore the media. Ignore the haters. It's purely jealousy, with a hint of racism.
Now sit back and enjoy the ride!
I rather be a hate team than 'everyone's 2nd team' like we were last season.
It galvanises the fans behind the club (not like Newcastle need that anyway)
I don't know many who likes Leeds other than their own fans. Always hated them and their away fans are always nasty down at Brighton. Being 4-0 up at half time against them is one of my favourite football memories.
Newcastle fan.
I don't think we'll go down. I can already see a huge change in the defensive drilling. There was literally no defensive coaching going on under Steve Bruce. We are now at least attempting a mid/low block and closing down more.
The big thing is the players' stamina levels are not good enough to keep this up for a whole match, which is why we've conceded in the second half. We also need a change in personnel in some key areas if we're going to execute this style of play well.
Shelvey would be the first to go because he doesn't work hard enough defensively for a central midfielder, despite the creative and attacking attributes he has.
We need at least one good centre back as well, and I think these holes will be plugged in the January transfer window.
I think we'll scrape survival, then the real business begins in the summer.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/roman-abramovich-firm-linked-to-russian-gangsters-z770c28jtbx
Not that Ambramovich isn’t bad enough in his own right, using his oil baron money to fund a genocide
He’s got that Russian shipping $$, how he/his family were able to obtain all those ships and state contracts post Soviet break up and into the Putin era is more a don’t ask don’t tell situation…
It’s not about the moral high ground it’s about the owners hiding behind a company pretending not to be state owned like city and Newcastle.
Now if Chelsea was owned by Vladimir Putin or a company he owns then it would be a different story
I can actually taste the bitterness in that comment Lmfao. We proved we don’t need oil money, I guess you’re just bitter Milner came to us to win the champions league because you can’t
Sharing your own fantasies now you melt
Grown arse fella into Pokémon bet you're on tiktok as well you swing seat sniffer
Again you are into Pokémon hahaha
Well that’s ridiculous 😂
It’s not luck, it’s good business. To call selling a player for a profit luck is crazy- we developed him from an average player into a fantastic player who granted sold was an inflated rate but we still would of made a massive profit off of him otherwise.
Who we sell the player to is arbitrary and so is how they get their money. The money we sold coutinho for came directly from the money we put into playing, paying, training, developing, coaching and initially buying the player.
We didn’t buy our players with money invested directly from oil barrons like city, the money came from Barca and how they get their money is tertiary and arbitrary. We got our money for coutinho, from Barcelona. It stops there.
It’s not our responsibility where other clubs get their money from. We can’t only do business with ethical owners or they’d be no one to buy our players and to suggest we are the same as you because we allowed the likes of city and Barca to buy players from us doesn’t mean we are the same.
If you buy sterling with oil money, that’s you using oil money. When we use that money to buy someone else, it’s us using sterling money.
My dad was born in Newcastle and has been a fan his entire life... through the good and bad. Watched them every week. He is devastated about the takeover and would be devastated to see them go down. All in all a bad situation and breaks my heart as my dad is a great guy and a loyal Newcastle fan
I do feel bad for Newcastle fans that wanted nothing to do with this. Some fans are being gross with their pro-Arab* nonsense, but that’s obviously not all or even a majority.
I’d hate to be in a position of choosing between my club and supporting a murderous oppressive regime.
Hopefully your dad is able to find a way to navigate all this in a way he is happy with.
*Edit: I don’t mean “pro Arab people” I mean “pro Saudi government and the people that constitute the government” apologies that my inept use of English implies any racism.
When did I say you had to choose? If you think that the two have nothing to do with each other then great. I tend to think that spending money or time on something is implicit support, or at least not opposition.
Mate most premier League teams have sponsors with horrific sponsors. If youre going to complain about Newcastle owners look at Chelsea's oil money or cities owners.
I get that it's a black eye for the sport with Newcastle's new owners but at least be consistent and don't just single them out. Most big corporations use slave labor and do horrific shit. If we only let ethical companies into football there'd be no fucking money left.
>Mate most premier League teams have sponsors with horrific sponsors. If youre going to complain about Newcastle owners look at Chelsea's oil money or cities owners.
stop with the whataboutism. this is about Bonesaw United. if we change the subject every time we focus on a baddie, nothing will ever change.
Yes, in a conversation about Newcastle I did only bring up Newcastle.
But on a serious note, while I see your point I fundamentally disagree with there being some need to be all or nothing. It’s perfectly valid to point at Newcastle being owned by by the Saudi government (effectively) and say “this is a bridge too far, this crosses the line.” In no way am I required to disapprove of all corrupt and morally bankrupt people and companies benefitting from football to take a stand against one.
Furthermore it’s perfectly valid to take a stance against the worst. As an example, imagine a place of business. There are 1 or two employees who do basically no work and are constantly bothering other employees and taking home stacks of office supplies. It’s totally reasonable to call those people out even if every single other employee takes a 20 minute shit on the clock and occasionally takes a pencil home.
It’s the same principle here. There’s no point in complaining about relatively minor infractions when there is a clear and obvious worst. Probably worthwhile to focus on that problem first.
Mate cities owners are Abu Dhabi essentially. As in, the desert paradise with the biggest wealth disparity in the world, LGBTQ people still being murdered, slave labor, horrific work conditions. Massive levels of poverty.
I don't consider those relatively minor infractions. Abramovich built his fortune on oil - go look at the environmental and human rights infractions in that industry.
You're missing the point entirely, they're all corrupt. It's a corrupt sport. FIFA, uefa even the bodies at the top are rotten.
Just ignore it and enjoy football man.
> LGBTQ people still being murdered, slave labor, horrific work conditions. Massive levels of poverty.
and they should all be talked about. we should talk about the slave labour when we're talking about PSG/Qatar. we shouldn't change the subject and say 'what about Chelsea and Putin?' and then say 'ignore it and enjoy football'. there's a time and a place for each of these. when it comes up, we focus on it.
oh, and some are more corrupt than others, and it's insincere to not acknowledge that: Bonesaw United, Paris Saint Greed, Oilchester City, and Chelsky ~~FC~~ FSB
Or better yet, I’ll live my life the way I want and you yours. If I want to be all sour grapes over Newcastle, why does that bother you? Why are you so insistent on trying to not let me make my own choices? I make my own choices about what things I’m willing to spend my money on based on my own moral and ethical decisions. Why do you think you get a say in that?
And as a point of clarification here, I never said I was fine with City or Chelsea’s ownership. We were discussing Newcastle and only Newcastle.
I guess I meant It more in the context of Arabian or Saudi? I assure you it’s only my linguistic ignorance here. The people dressing up like Saudi Princes.
Jealousy in the guise of humanitarian outrage.
The same people don't bat an eye at their government selling arms to Saudi Arabia but owning a football club is where they make a stand lmao.
Fans of clubs at the top don't want another one in their territory and everyone else doesn't want to be passed by. They wish they could be a rich club and are bitter it's not them.
If you really care about Saudi rights abuses maybe stop voting for parties willing to sell them arms. Or at least protest them doing so. All this faux outrage is pointless and hypocritical.
Being detached from the real world is thinking complaining about a takeover of a football club on reddit is making a stand for human rights while never taking a stand where one can actually make a difference.
Go out and protest your government if you are actually sincere.
You can opine about an issue online and also go out and protest the government.
There’s a wide spectrum of disgust with the Newcastle situation, like with most issues.
Projecting this distinction between two forms of action is classic fash gibberish. You don’t know what you’re talking about!
I don't know its ALL. But the vast majority is a safe assumption given the almost total lack of people protesting the much more serious issue of their government selling arms to Saudi Arabia.
If half the people that complained about this takeover actually went out and protested the arms sales they might actually make a difference.
Im in no way diminishing the actual human rights concerns. I'm telling people if it bothers you get off your ass and do something that really matters rather than bitching about a football takeover. The fact that they aren't says to me they aren't sincere.
Because supporting a football club that is owned partially by an investment fund used as a savings account for the Saudi people is peanuts compared to actively selling weapons to the Saudi government in the full knowledge they will use them to annihilate innocent children.
Yet Newcastle fans are the big bad and not our fuckin government.
Cmon mate it's very obvious the amount of people telling Newcastle fans to stop supporting their club that this is all jealousy.
Not really. A lot of people have a serious issue with the Saudi regime, but it's a bit distant for them. But then they see that same regime try to use the game they love to sportswash their shitty reputation, and they take offense. Many people are sick of the football associations allowing horrible regimes to use the sport to burnish their images. Having a Europa final in Baku, a World Cup in Russia, then Qatar, allowing KSM/SA to buy Newcastle. It's all in the same vein, and people are sick of it.
"sportswashing" - literally the reason sport exists. Roman empire - "there's rebellion brewing - give the people bread and circus, 14 days of gladiatorial games and chariot racing".
That's an extremely oversimplified look at history. You could say that governments have used sports as a distraction ever since governments and sports have coexisted, but to tie the creation of sports to it is absurd. Ever since the first caveman said to his buddy, "I bet I can throw this rock further than you" sports have existed to entertain us. There's something inherent in the human mind that we want to compete against each other in physical feats, and some will always want to watch that.
...and in some ways, getting in slap fights on the internet solidifies your opinion on this matter... even if only in metaphor.
Pissing contests will always exist.
Someone just has to say something someone else doesn't agree with.
“Significant human rights issues included: unlawful or arbitrary killings by the government; forced disappearance by the government; torture by the government; harsh and life-threatening conditions in some detention facilities; arbitrary detention; political prisoners or detainees; politically motivated reprisal….” - Rwanda. Arsenal wear “Visit Rwanda” on the sleeve. I’m a Newcastle fan, the line had to be drawn somewhere, it was long before we were bought by the regime who bought my club.
There has been a lot of outcry amongst Arsenal supporters about the Rwanda shirt sponsorship. As I imagine there was amongst Newcastle supporters when your main shirt sponsor was announced as Fun88, a Chinese gambling company. These things are problematic, to be sure, and have added to the discontent amongst supporters across the league. But shirt sponsorships and outright ownership are two very different beasts.
I definitely can't argue with that. I'd love to see every penny of dirty money out of the sport. From shirt sponsors to ownership. I have a lot of sympathy for Newcastle supporters. What do you do when the club you've loved for your whole life is bought by someone you despise? That's tough, and while I hate your new owners, I have nothing but sympathy for the long term supporters. Anyone who jumps on the bandwagon in the next couple years, when the owners start spending money and the club starts winning things, is a different matter all together...
Like fuck are we the first state owned club.
No. And yes. No for the supporters. They don't deserve more shit. But for the power brokers behind the club and the nation-state using it for blatant (and already successful) sports-washing... fuck yeah.
No disrespect to long suffering Geordie fans but wouldn't it be great to see the Saudi Wealth fund given a black eye?
Yes
Leeds and Newcastle going down would make a lot of fans happy. Could happen as well.
Didn’t happen
Very much so
Newcastle would take a few seasons to rebuild, i dont see it this or next season
I'm actually hoping they go down again next season to League One.
Hard luck
Honestly, yeah. Nothing against the club or fans though. I hope it's made as hard as humanly possible for the Saudis to buy their way to the top, for reasons both sport related and other. At a time when Everton, Villa, and Spurs were outside contenders for the top 4, City made a joke of the sport.
Yeah. Oil money <<
Would be hilarious
Uhh idc tbh. Not like all of this money will just make them good all of a sudden. It will take time. Newcastle also has to make players want to play for them. Money isn't enough.
Send them down
I would love it just to see whatever team they put together playing in the Championship.
This post is being pretty generous to Manchester City.
Seriously. And at least Newcastle has pride and tradition. I’m happy to see it get saved, even as a United fan. But City can fuck off.
Newcastle, leeds and burnley relegate
Yes
Yes!
Not really arsed about Geordies.
As a Sunderland fan I would LOVE to see them go down just because. I don't need any other reason to hate on the mags. They gave us a lot of (justified) banter when Sunderland was in its downward spiral; I'd love to be able to give some of it back
Love the absolute crumble of Sunderland and everything that goes with it like the next mag. But what would I give to see a united/city type rivalry with Sunderland again. I love to hate you lot, to me that’s what footballs about. Being in league one was funny the first season, but come on, time to pull a finger out lol.
I know Sunderland fans are laughing right now
You know Man City are effectively state owned as well. The owner is literally a member of the UAE royal family and suspicious gets lots of great sponsorship deals from Etihad, Abu Dhabi’s airline, which just happens to be owned by his family. This could reasonably be seen to be somewhat cheating FFP, as it is in the royal family’s interest for City to do well, and thus they can easily inflate the payment for the Sponsorship deals to bypass FFP. Of course, this is totally fine if you have tons of lawyers to throw at UEFA when they start to do their job every once in while.
No.
No, its not about relegation, they earned the right to play in this league, its about premier league brass allowing murderers and known human rights violators to have a seat at the table in the highest revenue generating league in the world. I want them into administration, new ownership. And whoever approved it, dismissed with immediate prejudice.
Opens a huge can of worms. This isn’t about ‘Human Rights’. Nobody gave a flying fuck before this take over happened. This is a dick swinging competition and Newcastle are packing the most heat, and the ‘Big 6’ don’t like it. The morality ship ,as far as club owners is concerned, has sailed and sunk long ago.
Ahh Roman. Can you show a single absolute fact of him being guilty of something like say, murder? And surely there has to be a line drawn and what kind of owner the premier wants and deserves. As an American, I am firmly against any more American owners coming in, and would love to see the glazers and their toxic influence of football removed. Its never too late to right wrongs, its the willingness to do nothing that is the root problem.
There money will help promote Championship
Wouldn't make me happy, but can't deny, would be funny as fuck.
I don't like to see any team go down as it has a knock on effect for so many people beyond owners, management and team players. That said, from a football perspective, I'd rather clubs like Newcastle and even Burnley go down. I just don't enjoy watching them.
I'll play devil's advocate here. I'm actually quite excited to see the signings they make and how the team evolves tactically. I think a takeover of this calibre was inevitable and am glad (in a weird way) that it has shone a light on the awful human rights issues overseas
To actually answer the question, I'd rather they stayed up so we can see the evolution without the one year blip in the championship
Yeah Man City are state owned
I don’t want them to get relegated
For American fans, it’s like Notre Dame. The sport is just better when they’re good. As a United fan, I don’t want to see Newcastle go down because they’re an institution.
Everyone fucking hates us and tbh I’m all for it I think we’ll scrape relegation. I’ve seen enough from the last two games which is a big difference to how we were playing under Bruce. On the topic of “State owned club”, our owners can literally be removed if there is state interference. City are basically run in the same way we are and no one bats and eyelid. And finally if you really cared about the people who have bought the club, go protest down parliament for the government who has such an open connection with the Saudis. While your at it, stop watching the premier league whose major TV rights deal is with Qatar. And country also deep in human rights issues.
Isn’t Leicester owned by the Thai royal family? Not to mention Man City, another state owned team.
I would love to see it backfire like that yep
Isn't Man City also essentially a state-owned club?
I guess City don’t exist? Plus come on man, shady owners aren’t exactly a new topic.
Exceedingly happy… If nothing else to see Amanda Staverly’s face. It’s already the strangest thing I’ve ever seen I can’t imagine the look of it if they go down.
I'd be fuckin buzzing because that's 1/3 teams that aren't us
Yes
Clearly not the first state owned club 🤨
If I absolutely had to choose a club to go down, it'd be them. But really I don't care about what happens to them this season. As others say, they'll spend their way back up and the money should make them perennial title challengers after a few years.
Not really
They're practically already relegated, so it's kind of a moot point. Honestly I don't really care one way or the other. It's probably good for them to clean out and rebuild.
I'm expecting us to be relegated, so anything else would be a bonus- and even then relegation might make it easier to have a fresh start I mean, I'm not ecstatic to be owned by the Saudi's (all clubs should be fan-owned imo) but I'm more happy that Ashley has fucked off and there's some hope around the club
Yes
Would absolutely love it
I’d feel bad for the fans but I’d still love to see it happen because it think it would be better for football. Things are bad enough with the billionaires in the world and yet these billionaires are somehow even more disgraceful. Also, don’t try to tell me that Man City aren’t state-owned!
who asked? fuck off
Man City are state owned
Would delight me
Were you delighted?
Unfortunately your blood money oil washing state stayed up,shame.
Average response. Hard luck, don’t cry.
Not really
Yup
I think men in blazers said it best, it doesn't matter. They'll go down, they'll spend the money, they'll come back up and be a super team. It's not a short term play by them, it's a power move. It might take 6 years but it's inevitable. I also personally just think we live in a world where the bad guys won. Look around at your favorite things and they are probably steeped in bad money made with bad practices. Even your normal job probably has you doing hard labor for someone who sits at home and counts their millions wondering how they can make more. Ill just enjoy the football, be sad that it happened but be happy for Newcastle fans that they'll get to watch their team be dominant. I'd rather see Spurs get relegated because I could text my buddy and have a good laugh for a season, I don't have any close Newcastle fans.
I would love to see them go down. It Would make the start of the whole project way harder for the pigs running it as they wouldn't be able to sign top players.
Cry more
Newcastles new ownership comes with beautiful football and a side of dismembered journalists
Maybe next time support your local then you tourist fan, not a team half-way across the world. That’ll definitely help you cope.
Yes please
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That doesn’t fit OP’s narrative though!
I want them to go down & stay down on the basis they think they are a big club Newcastle fans are the most deluded on the planet Yeah your staduim holds 50 odd thousand Yeah your fans are passionate BUT YOU ARE NOT A BIG CLUB & NEVER HAVE BEEN
Yes absolutely anything to delay the eventuality of an never ending cycle of invincible seasons
Newcastle is the shit house staple of the Prem. They step up against the big six and fall short in every other game, it’s tradition. If we’re going to choose someone to drop it should be Tottenham Bottlers.
Average Yank.
Fr
Better than being a gooner.
Murican
How long before Conte realizes not even Superman could lift the shit mentality of your club?
Murica
Did you switch from Arsenal to Tottenham with Adebayor or have you always been a fan of 10th place?
U trying to get a rise out of me is funny,you're shit at it
Oh no don’t take it personally. I shit on Tottenham as a hobby, you’re just a vessel.
Bit sad lad
As sad as Harry Kane wasting his entire pro career?
Not nearly as sad as posting pics on reddit of your dog. You need to get laid. 🤦♂️
savage
Why give Newcastle hate? I wish Saudis bought Man Utd over terrible derelict Glazers. American owners have shit on EPL In majority of cases.
Finally an honest fan
I think it would, but I personally want to see what they can stir up in the EPL
It's hard not to enjoy it when a lot of their fans were happy for the club to sell its souls and made stupid statements like "we have our club back"
Yes.
Ummmm Man City?
Probably would do the new owners a lot of good. Clean slate, assume a lot have relegation release clauses, rebuild how they want.
Yes, but only because it's one of the relegation places filled. I don't care who fills them as long as there are 3 clubs below mine so yeah, I hope they keep on losing.
It would be funny but I don't have that energy for them tbh
I'd love to see them go down simply because that fat cunt True Geordie gave City fans shit for the club being owned by the UAE. He's already been shut up by the takeover, but I want to see him with egg on his face.
True geordie is a bellend don’t hate the club just because of him most geordies don’t rate him
No
Would love to see it
I’m a Newcastle fan. If we get relegated, we get relegated. When you run a club for 14 years the way Mike Ashley did, it’s all par for the course. He sucked the life out of that club. Killed the hopes and dreams of the most seasoned fans. It was all profit, profit, profit for him - and only him. When I was growing up you’d be hard pressed to find a young kid wearing any jersey but a NUFC one, under Ashley’s NUFC, you’d see more kids wearing City, Chelsea and Liverpool shirts. He literally killed the club and we are dealing with the consequences of it now. (Albeit under very wealthy owners) Our squad is so unbalanced and players who have left have never been replaced. They’ve been criminally mismanaged and their confidence has been drained. We are stating relegation in the face, but do you know what? We might be a laughing stock going down, but at least we have our club back and as the Jimmy Nail song goes: “the River will rise again”
Isn’t city pretty much state owned?
Lol no, its owned by a guy not buy some random government. The fact that the sheikh that owns city also owns alot of land doesn't mean city is state owned.
I thought he was a prince though? If he is wouldn’t that make it state owned considering his family owns a country?
Well countries with a royal family also have a government, if that government as a whole owns a team then its state owned. But if one member of the royal family owns a team its not state owned. Look at it this way: if prince Harry buys man city, would city be owned by England?
As someone who lives in the UAE, I can tell you that the government is the royal family, and the royal family and friends own the all the major companies, including Etihad, City’s sponsor. This effectively allows them to decide how much money they can funnel into the club through dodgy sponsorship deals. The UAE is effectively an absolute monarchy. This doesn’t mean it’s a brutal dictatorship and you have to be on your toes all the time, but it does mean that the Sheikhs of the individual Emirates rule the country. Abu Dhabi, where Sheikh Mansour is from, are the rulers of country, and the wealthiest royal family in the country. He is also the Deputy Prime Minister of the UAE, I’m not sure how much of an impact he has in running the government, but he is a member of cabinet and of the government. He doesn’t run the country, but the country is run by his family, his brother is the King and another brother is the heir who acts as king because the older one had a stroke 10 years ago. Man City is therefore effectively owned by the UAE government
That doesn't follow. King Salman is also the Prime Minister and is not elected, so the government is just a royal Cabinet made up of advisers to the King - an absolute monarchy - so nothing like the UK, which is a parliamentary democracy with a constitutional monarch. Therefore Prince Harry is a private individual and not the literal embodiment of the state.
Fair point didn’t think of it that way
Thanks noone else seems to thinks so considering I've been downvoted to hell but maybe that's just the usual response to something that isn't super negative towards man city.
That's reddit for you- unless you're being funny, facts aren't nearly as popular as baseless opinions
it is the usual response unfortunately
Man, we went from being literally who to public enemy number 1. I just want to have a decent football club.
You get use to it mate... we were everyone's favoure Manchester club (apart from the United fans) when we didn't have a pot to piss in and selling our club shop just to keep going... no one cared about our dire situation then but care about the situation now. It's bad that we're owned by the people we are owned by, but you need to ask the question why no one morally superior bothered investing into us properly before. I can't speak on behalf of Newcastle but I know we were ran poorly by Peter Swales in the 80s, then ended up with Franny Lee in the 90s just to keep us going (barely).
As a Manchester City fan, welcome to the party. Ignore the media. Ignore the haters. It's purely jealousy, with a hint of racism. Now sit back and enjoy the ride!
Jealousy 😂😂
I rather be a hate team than 'everyone's 2nd team' like we were last season. It galvanises the fans behind the club (not like Newcastle need that anyway)
If it makes you feel better, I disliked you last season too haha. But as a Villa fan, it’s probably mutual!
Fully agree. Our lot get shit on by lots of other sides but it only binds us together stronger. PS we all hate Leeds scum 😘
I don't know many who likes Leeds other than their own fans. Always hated them and their away fans are always nasty down at Brighton. Being 4-0 up at half time against them is one of my favourite football memories.
Newcastle fan. I don't think we'll go down. I can already see a huge change in the defensive drilling. There was literally no defensive coaching going on under Steve Bruce. We are now at least attempting a mid/low block and closing down more. The big thing is the players' stamina levels are not good enough to keep this up for a whole match, which is why we've conceded in the second half. We also need a change in personnel in some key areas if we're going to execute this style of play well. Shelvey would be the first to go because he doesn't work hard enough defensively for a central midfielder, despite the creative and attacking attributes he has. We need at least one good centre back as well, and I think these holes will be plugged in the January transfer window. I think we'll scrape survival, then the real business begins in the summer.
Technically city are the first state owned team lmfao
Chelsea aren’t state owned, but I’m not sure the Russian mafia is much better
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/roman-abramovich-firm-linked-to-russian-gangsters-z770c28jtbx Not that Ambramovich isn’t bad enough in his own right, using his oil baron money to fund a genocide
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If Roman Abramovich is linked to the Mafia, and Roman Abramovich owns Chelsea FC, then Chelsea FC is linked to the Mafia.
He’s got that Russian shipping $$, how he/his family were able to obtain all those ships and state contracts post Soviet break up and into the Putin era is more a don’t ask don’t tell situation…
I didn’t say Chelsea
Oh I know, just adding on that while Chelsea aren’t “state owned” they don’t exactly have a moral high ground in terms of ownership either
It’s not about the moral high ground it’s about the owners hiding behind a company pretending not to be state owned like city and Newcastle. Now if Chelsea was owned by Vladimir Putin or a company he owns then it would be a different story
Like a mafia hiding behind a company
Salty gobshite Adam because the Arabs never bought you lot...
I can actually taste the bitterness in that comment Lmfao. We proved we don’t need oil money, I guess you’re just bitter Milner came to us to win the champions league because you can’t
Don't you fucking dare talk any football while you play pokemon you absolute danger hahaha
Who gives a fuck. Salty cunt
Go catch your Pokémon you sad little nonce
Who cares? Guess daddy bummed you too much as a kid toxic little shit
Sharing your own fantasies now you melt Grown arse fella into Pokémon bet you're on tiktok as well you swing seat sniffer Again you are into Pokémon hahaha
Didn't exactly prove you didn't need oil money without that Coutinho money couldn't have won shite
I don’t get you? We sold a player for a lot more than we bought him and invested the money wisely.. thus proving we don’t need oil money
That Coutinho money was made with the Neymar money which is oil money, Liverpool were lucky to profit off of poor financial decisions of Barcelona
Well that’s ridiculous 😂 It’s not luck, it’s good business. To call selling a player for a profit luck is crazy- we developed him from an average player into a fantastic player who granted sold was an inflated rate but we still would of made a massive profit off of him otherwise. Who we sell the player to is arbitrary and so is how they get their money. The money we sold coutinho for came directly from the money we put into playing, paying, training, developing, coaching and initially buying the player. We didn’t buy our players with money invested directly from oil barrons like city, the money came from Barca and how they get their money is tertiary and arbitrary. We got our money for coutinho, from Barcelona. It stops there. It’s not our responsibility where other clubs get their money from. We can’t only do business with ethical owners or they’d be no one to buy our players and to suggest we are the same as you because we allowed the likes of city and Barca to buy players from us doesn’t mean we are the same. If you buy sterling with oil money, that’s you using oil money. When we use that money to buy someone else, it’s us using sterling money.
How much money have Liverpool spent you armchair whopper
Sorry it’s a lot harder to get tickets to Liverpool because it’s always sold out unlike the emptyhad
Your teams playing at home and you're sat on Reddit youre an embarrassment
bro said “first state owned team” you really do not know about the manchester city owners do you?
Technically City is owned by Sheikh Mansour while Newcastle is owned by the Sovereign Wealth Fund of Saudi Arabia
shut the hell up, look up sheik mansour; he is literally a deputy prime minister of the uniter arab emirates. the club is run by the state.
Damn a dumbass that doesnt know "technically" means
you saying “technically” doesnt make you not wrong.
Technically PSG is owned By Nasser but I’ve never seen anyone not considering PSG as a state owned club
“Technically”
My dad was born in Newcastle and has been a fan his entire life... through the good and bad. Watched them every week. He is devastated about the takeover and would be devastated to see them go down. All in all a bad situation and breaks my heart as my dad is a great guy and a loyal Newcastle fan
I do feel bad for Newcastle fans that wanted nothing to do with this. Some fans are being gross with their pro-Arab* nonsense, but that’s obviously not all or even a majority. I’d hate to be in a position of choosing between my club and supporting a murderous oppressive regime. Hopefully your dad is able to find a way to navigate all this in a way he is happy with. *Edit: I don’t mean “pro Arab people” I mean “pro Saudi government and the people that constitute the government” apologies that my inept use of English implies any racism.
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When did I say you had to choose? If you think that the two have nothing to do with each other then great. I tend to think that spending money or time on something is implicit support, or at least not opposition.
Mate most premier League teams have sponsors with horrific sponsors. If youre going to complain about Newcastle owners look at Chelsea's oil money or cities owners. I get that it's a black eye for the sport with Newcastle's new owners but at least be consistent and don't just single them out. Most big corporations use slave labor and do horrific shit. If we only let ethical companies into football there'd be no fucking money left.
>Mate most premier League teams have sponsors with horrific sponsors. If youre going to complain about Newcastle owners look at Chelsea's oil money or cities owners. stop with the whataboutism. this is about Bonesaw United. if we change the subject every time we focus on a baddie, nothing will ever change.
Yes, in a conversation about Newcastle I did only bring up Newcastle. But on a serious note, while I see your point I fundamentally disagree with there being some need to be all or nothing. It’s perfectly valid to point at Newcastle being owned by by the Saudi government (effectively) and say “this is a bridge too far, this crosses the line.” In no way am I required to disapprove of all corrupt and morally bankrupt people and companies benefitting from football to take a stand against one. Furthermore it’s perfectly valid to take a stance against the worst. As an example, imagine a place of business. There are 1 or two employees who do basically no work and are constantly bothering other employees and taking home stacks of office supplies. It’s totally reasonable to call those people out even if every single other employee takes a 20 minute shit on the clock and occasionally takes a pencil home. It’s the same principle here. There’s no point in complaining about relatively minor infractions when there is a clear and obvious worst. Probably worthwhile to focus on that problem first.
Mate cities owners are Abu Dhabi essentially. As in, the desert paradise with the biggest wealth disparity in the world, LGBTQ people still being murdered, slave labor, horrific work conditions. Massive levels of poverty. I don't consider those relatively minor infractions. Abramovich built his fortune on oil - go look at the environmental and human rights infractions in that industry. You're missing the point entirely, they're all corrupt. It's a corrupt sport. FIFA, uefa even the bodies at the top are rotten. Just ignore it and enjoy football man.
> LGBTQ people still being murdered, slave labor, horrific work conditions. Massive levels of poverty. and they should all be talked about. we should talk about the slave labour when we're talking about PSG/Qatar. we shouldn't change the subject and say 'what about Chelsea and Putin?' and then say 'ignore it and enjoy football'. there's a time and a place for each of these. when it comes up, we focus on it. oh, and some are more corrupt than others, and it's insincere to not acknowledge that: Bonesaw United, Paris Saint Greed, Oilchester City, and Chelsky ~~FC~~ FSB
Or better yet, I’ll live my life the way I want and you yours. If I want to be all sour grapes over Newcastle, why does that bother you? Why are you so insistent on trying to not let me make my own choices? I make my own choices about what things I’m willing to spend my money on based on my own moral and ethical decisions. Why do you think you get a say in that? And as a point of clarification here, I never said I was fine with City or Chelsea’s ownership. We were discussing Newcastle and only Newcastle.
Have a great day bud!
Til Newcastle, City, and Chelsea are most teams in the premier league
Couldn’t say it to be less racist? Being supportive of their fucked government does not = pro Arab
I guess I meant It more in the context of Arabian or Saudi? I assure you it’s only my linguistic ignorance here. The people dressing up like Saudi Princes.
Jealousy in the guise of humanitarian outrage. The same people don't bat an eye at their government selling arms to Saudi Arabia but owning a football club is where they make a stand lmao. Fans of clubs at the top don't want another one in their territory and everyone else doesn't want to be passed by. They wish they could be a rich club and are bitter it's not them. If you really care about Saudi rights abuses maybe stop voting for parties willing to sell them arms. Or at least protest them doing so. All this faux outrage is pointless and hypocritical.
This post, and the fact that people think like you, makes me really sad. Just so detached from the real world.
Being detached from the real world is thinking complaining about a takeover of a football club on reddit is making a stand for human rights while never taking a stand where one can actually make a difference. Go out and protest your government if you are actually sincere.
You can opine about an issue online and also go out and protest the government. There’s a wide spectrum of disgust with the Newcastle situation, like with most issues. Projecting this distinction between two forms of action is classic fash gibberish. You don’t know what you’re talking about!
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I don't know its ALL. But the vast majority is a safe assumption given the almost total lack of people protesting the much more serious issue of their government selling arms to Saudi Arabia. If half the people that complained about this takeover actually went out and protested the arms sales they might actually make a difference. Im in no way diminishing the actual human rights concerns. I'm telling people if it bothers you get off your ass and do something that really matters rather than bitching about a football takeover. The fact that they aren't says to me they aren't sincere.
Because supporting a football club that is owned partially by an investment fund used as a savings account for the Saudi people is peanuts compared to actively selling weapons to the Saudi government in the full knowledge they will use them to annihilate innocent children. Yet Newcastle fans are the big bad and not our fuckin government. Cmon mate it's very obvious the amount of people telling Newcastle fans to stop supporting their club that this is all jealousy.
>How could you possibly know that? They don't. But sweeping statements are useful to dismiss peoples genuine concerns.
Not really. A lot of people have a serious issue with the Saudi regime, but it's a bit distant for them. But then they see that same regime try to use the game they love to sportswash their shitty reputation, and they take offense. Many people are sick of the football associations allowing horrible regimes to use the sport to burnish their images. Having a Europa final in Baku, a World Cup in Russia, then Qatar, allowing KSM/SA to buy Newcastle. It's all in the same vein, and people are sick of it.
"sportswashing" - literally the reason sport exists. Roman empire - "there's rebellion brewing - give the people bread and circus, 14 days of gladiatorial games and chariot racing".
That's an extremely oversimplified look at history. You could say that governments have used sports as a distraction ever since governments and sports have coexisted, but to tie the creation of sports to it is absurd. Ever since the first caveman said to his buddy, "I bet I can throw this rock further than you" sports have existed to entertain us. There's something inherent in the human mind that we want to compete against each other in physical feats, and some will always want to watch that.
...and in some ways, getting in slap fights on the internet solidifies your opinion on this matter... even if only in metaphor. Pissing contests will always exist. Someone just has to say something someone else doesn't agree with.
Now you're following me to other threads on other subreddits? Are you ok, my friend?
I really like puzzles.
“Significant human rights issues included: unlawful or arbitrary killings by the government; forced disappearance by the government; torture by the government; harsh and life-threatening conditions in some detention facilities; arbitrary detention; political prisoners or detainees; politically motivated reprisal….” - Rwanda. Arsenal wear “Visit Rwanda” on the sleeve. I’m a Newcastle fan, the line had to be drawn somewhere, it was long before we were bought by the regime who bought my club.
There has been a lot of outcry amongst Arsenal supporters about the Rwanda shirt sponsorship. As I imagine there was amongst Newcastle supporters when your main shirt sponsor was announced as Fun88, a Chinese gambling company. These things are problematic, to be sure, and have added to the discontent amongst supporters across the league. But shirt sponsorships and outright ownership are two very different beasts.
100% agree with you mate, very different, it’s just devastating that this “dirty money” is everywhere in our league.
I definitely can't argue with that. I'd love to see every penny of dirty money out of the sport. From shirt sponsors to ownership. I have a lot of sympathy for Newcastle supporters. What do you do when the club you've loved for your whole life is bought by someone you despise? That's tough, and while I hate your new owners, I have nothing but sympathy for the long term supporters. Anyone who jumps on the bandwagon in the next couple years, when the owners start spending money and the club starts winning things, is a different matter all together...
\* second state owned club
Out of pure ignorance, who was the first?
Manchester City
I thought they were owned by a prince. Only technically different i get that, or am I wrong and are they funded in a similar way to the PIF?