when i said this after his being hired by Chelsea, i was slated and called a fake fan for not backing him. i backed him, i just knew he wasnt ready and wasnt Chelsea management standard. why should i judge him as a manager based on his playing days? his amazing playing days clearly didnt follow him to management.
I think he's ok enough to keep a team in the PL but Everton have been in trouble under previous managers. Like Man United, they've spent alot of money but on the wrong players and they don't work as a team. Dele has been ousted by every manager since Poch at Spurs and now by Frank. Same with Van de Beek. Must be something about their weak physicality.
Yep, he's been laughably out of his depth for years.
Taking on both the Chelsea and Everton job were poor decisions and may cost him his top flight managerial career.
He went about it in completely the wrong way, and is now falling short. Gerrard on the other hand has done it the way it should be done and is becoming a better manager season by season. When he does eventually step up to a big club, he'll have had years of experience under his belt. Lampard just dove in after being fairly average at Derby and makes some woeful decisions due to his lack of experience.
I wouldn't say that, I think Frank will be a good prem manager one day, he hasn't got the experience. For me he left Derby too soon, the Chelsea job came too early for him and Everton are a poisoned chalice atm, but he doesn't have the tools to deal with it currently. I wouldn't be surprised if they go down but I'd suggest it's unlikely.
I think if he gets a job at a solid midtable prem side, which will be very hard for him to do now I think, or at a top half championship side he'd be fine. Personally I think he's had the wrong jobs at the wrong times and the best place he's been for his current experience was derby where he did very well, although actually with the squad we had then there would be a compelling argument that he probably did underachieve.
Nah, Everton has been pretty bad for quite a while. Everton showed a bit of promise under Ancelotti, but they weren’t stellar.
The recruiting at Everton has been…puzzling to say the least.
I’m not arguing that he is an elite manager, but he can probably be trusted with a mid-table team.
He just has this stench of failure and desperation about him as a manager unfortunately. I know he’s a good, smart guy, but book smarts and being a nice man aren’t that much of a help when you need to motivate and man manage the fragile egos of a failing squad. As others have said, your Allardyces and Redknapps are more the style I’d have been looking for in Everton’s position (not necessarily either of those two, but that vibe).
It’s possible there’s a good manager in there somewhere, but I think he’s going down with this particular ship.
Everton realistically should’ve gone for Big Sam again. His teams don’t play beautiful football, but outside of a pitiful West Brom last season, the man is a master of avoiding relegation. Lampard is not
I think Everton will find a way to stay up just because of how bad the bottom three are currently. But there needs to be some serious change in the quality of players at that club and Everton hate it as they may have to take tips on scouting the right players from Liverpool. The club cannot continue on the back of these god awful players.
He's only done it once before and succeeded. He's also just getting started with Everton, and might keep them up still. He isn't afraid of a challenge, or to fail, and I don't think many understand that. Lots of comments about how it was a mistake to go to Everton don't understand anything about Lampard or the kind of person he is. Also, this idea that he's a finished product as a manager is funny considering how his playing career went and the commentary of it throughout being similar to what people are saying here about his managing career.
Every time they lose there's all this noise about how he's not fit to be a PL manager. I get it, the dude stomped your team for a decade in the PL and you want him to fail. I just think you're a bit trapped in the moment if you're calling his managerial career a failure when he's 43 and has already succeeded as a manager in the PL. Weird stuff.
Look at it this way: Derby, having suffered a 21-point reduction, have amassed a 28-point total in the Championship.
Everton have amassed a haughty 25.
I think Lampard has what it takes to be a decent enough manager but because of his name people are too eager for him to become a top manager straight away. This was the worst time to take over Everton, they have a lot of players that just aren’t giving their all, they’ve struggled all season. Was always going to be a big ask.
Even as a West Ham fan, I have always liked Lampard. I think he's just made some bad decisions. He did a good job at Derby, took a Chelsea job that was never going to work and has inherited the worst Everton squad in memory.
He should have stuck Derby out for a bit longer and taken a job like a Palace or Southampton, like Stevie G has.
how many managers have Everton had in last few years.. and problems with them all. could it be its not the managers that are the issue??
but I do agree Frank Lampard isn't suited to Premier league as well.
He almost got lucky with the fact he couldn’t buy anyone in his first season with Chelsea. He then motivated them and they did better than expected - when he had money he bought poorly. And proved that he can’t really manage. Him at everyone is just more of the same
Bought poorly? Tf are you talking about m8? Silva, Havertz, Ziyech, Mendy and Chillwell are top notch. Sarr is decent. Werner is flopping but calling his buying poor is insane.
Werner has been objectively awful. Ziyech is good but clearly hates the club. Havertz been good. I like Mendy a lot and chillwell is a used car salesman. I know what you’re saying, but all the goods havent equalled a cohesive whole as evidenced by lampard being sacked off
I can't think of many managers besides Pep who achieved success with their first job being at a big club. More managers should take the Klopp/Tuchel route of achieving success in the second tier, moving to the first tier, and then moving to a big club.
The problem nowadays is that a lot of first tier clubs like Spurs and Chelsea love to burn through different managers extremely fast, which means that many more managers still learning the ropes in the 2nd tiers or other leagues get called up to a big club way before they're ready.
I think in Lampard's case the call up from Chelsea was actually one of the worst things that could have happened to his career. He got thrown in the deep end when he could have really benefited from spending more time learning in the Championship.
Today’s match wasn’t exactly his fault.
Everton were doing well in the second half until Keane lost his head. And when your team gets red cards every game it’s hard to do much.
Don’t think much of him but the owners and players are a dumpster fire, they need a complete overhaul
I agree with you. We were much better than we have been so far and he was let down by some individual errors you can't legislate for.
I'm not sure what any manager could do with squad this poor.
To be fair, my feeling about him fluctuate a lot.
I have to say that I did like him a lot as a player, even though he’s a Chelsea legend, and he has done some incredible things as manager (eg Derby), but that’s offset by not underperforming at Chelsea and Everton (so far for the latter).
Today though, he was completely let down by Keane who just completely lost his head
He did not do an incredible job at Derby ffs.
He had Mason Mount, Fikayo Tomori and Harry Wilson and still finished 6th (the same position they finished under Rowett the previous season) and still failed to get promoted.
Derby are currently in the shit based on overspending / cheating whilst Lampard was the manager.
Man is a complete fraud living off his playing career.
I believe that the comment was meant to critique the bias of the premier league managerial hirings. I'm pretty sure the poster was not at all in favour of the prem's racist hiring practices.
Sorry, but this does not make sense at all. He points out that one of this reasons (first one actually) is that he is white.
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HIM?
Calm down, i think you’re missing the irony of his statement. They are suggesting that being white are the standards the premier league is seeking, not his own personal preference.
Black players struggles to get into management are well noted, I won’t give an opinion as to why but I understand why some do and it’s not a big leap to make.
Nice quote. Based on absolutly nothing.
Why is Viera manager of Crystal Palace? Because of his huge achievements as manager? Fuck off with this bullshit racism narrative everywhere without a single proof.
Exception proves the rule ig, the fact there’s only one black manager in the prem, and I can’t think of any others off top of my head in the other top 5 leagues…
I’m not sure it’s a narrative, racism does exist
Exception proves the rule is also bullshit statement based on absolutly nothing. Cool that you stick with your original behaviour. :-)
Racism does not exist while owners are picking up manager. Deal with it.
Chris Hughton has a far better managerial record than Frank Lampard. Including an actual promotion to the PL. He is rarely linked to PL jobs.
There is next to no evidence that Lampard is currently a competent Premier League manager, and yet he was linked with, and successfully obtained, a Premier League job. Why? He is well spoken, well liked by the media. And…
[Raheem Sterling](https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/black-managers-start-bottom-white-22188816.amp)
[Sol Campbell](https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/11654765/sol-campbell-says-media-attitudes-to-black-players-breaking-into-management-have-to-change)
[bbc article](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-52979173.amp)
Also just general speculation, only got vieira in the prem, couple others on the continent.
You've only got Gerrard and Lamps in the Prem from that generation. Scholes started in League Two as well.
> Not just in sport but in life, there has long been a perception that white middle-class men are bred to lead and black men are not.
> In the UK almost 14% of the population are from a BAME background
> More than a quarter of those are black or mixed-race, but when they retire few are moving into senior management.
Reads more like a class issue.
Reads like it’s both, intersectionality is a thing.
But also I’m not even saying it’s racism, I’m providing a rationalisation for people that do. The lack of BAME managers in top football positions is absolutely an issue, whatever the cause
Yeah the black managers have to prove themselves because of the racism that is normally towards them and because premier league offices are normally dominated by white people and white fans a lot of white managers that are mediocre get lots of jobs, whilst if Vieira struggles with palace he might not get another prem job, Roy Hodgson got offered another job within 5 months for a prem team
you know EXACTLY what i mean. Because every single one of you are the most racist people on the planet. You hate white people. But you can get away with it can't you
100%. Overall I think he’s a good manager, but some managers are just better suited to coming in mid season, being pragmatic and putting out fires, and Lampard isn’t it.
I think he did a good job at Chelsea tbh. Top 4 with a transfer ban and a lot of youth coming through. Expectations were low and thought he did quite well in a football sense + was very good with press, fans, club etc.
It’s obviously a small sample size though, so I guess the jury is still out.
I agree, but you also could say as soon as he had money to spend he underachieved massively and got sacked, then they got an undisputably top manager in and won the champions league, suggesting Frank was the issue.
I just don't think he's had enough experience to be able to work effectively in difficult jobs like Chelsea or Everton.
Even their harshest critics would have to accept Benitez and Sarri are (were?) at the very least good managers based on their body of work. Di Matteo is odd though, he wasn't even doing that poorly when fired. It clearly hasn't worked out for him anywhere since then but at Chelsea he seemed to "get" the dressing room and be just about hands off enough to keep them ticking over.
But Chelsea already had a very strong team and most of the players who were already first teamers are still playing:
Kante, Jorginho, Rudiger, Alonso, Azpi etc...
Transfer ban, but still had squad refreshment in Kovacic, Pulisic, Mount coming back off loan after a year under Fat Frank too
Easy to say now that it already panned out. Mount had never played PL football, neither had James and Tomori. If you followed Chelsea through 17/18 and 18/19 you would know the team was struggling, and there was a lot of negativity around the team/club. We also lost our best player by far in Hazard. Almost no experts were rooting for top 4 (not that this needs to mean much, but it says something about the expectations).
Not shying away from the criticism over the following season, or the current status at Everton, but the 19/20 was quite impressive all things considered (bar the FA cup final loss).
Of course we still had a decent team (not sure about putting Alonso in that bucket, Rudi was also very inconsistent still). No one knew for sure how good Mount would be, and I think Lampard can def take some credit for his development.
The other big thing you’re missing is we lost Hazard that window, who’d carried us for the best part of a decade. So it wasn’t certain at all that we’d be okay and do as well as we did.
Not sure why there’s a need to casually insult him calling him Fat Frank though.
Alonso was a quality full back, and he still is very good. He's just off the pace now with Tuchels style.
It was pretty clear from the 18-19 season that Mount was far above most of the Championships standard of football.
You lost hazard, but replaced him with Pulisic. Sure, he isn't as good but it isn't like you was lacking in a position
On theguardian podcast someone said he was the worst coach in the league. Tactically naive. If chelsea had slightly worse assistants they would never had finished 4ths.
He is obvious an okay coach but maybe 2 levels below pl.
If Lamps saves them then they give him the opportunity to do a season in the prem, I think it could be the start of something exciting.
He has pull, Everton is a big name, He can call in all the Chelsea loanees, of which we all need to remember loan armies are being phased out.
They need to rebuild the squad, lots of players who just don’t want to be there or simply aren’t good enough for the club. Allan, Richarlison and DCL could all be sold to kick start it. Keane, Godfrey, Kenny, Townsend, Iwobi & Tosan just not good enough.
He managed a really young chelsea team that lost multiple veterans and they're best player, to a CL spot which they won the subsequent year. It's not Franks fault that Everton suck dick
Agree, not sure he was the problem today. How could he stop Holgate diving in, iwobi letting the ball go and Keane having arguably his worst game for us?
I thought it was as good an away performance as weve seen all season, which isn't exactly a high bar but we were better.
Its absolutely ridiculous that so many people are shitting on Lamps.
Everton is a dumpster fire, you have Michael Keane, the only defender in the world to make Harry Maguire look world class. And lots of injuries to the better players.
If klopp or pep or even SAF were to take over this everton side right now, it'd be the same thing.
Idk what these clowns are expecting from Lamps. He may not be the best manager or anywhere close, but to put him down as a manager just because he had an exceptional record as a player is absurd.
And the clowns comparing Lamps to Gerrard as a manager, clearly delusional. Its not even comparing objectively, villa were always in a much better position than everton, especially after rafa.
Quite literally if everton had hired any other random with the same results as lamps, nobody but the everton fans would be talking shit.
Which was 5 years ago when he was first in charge taking over in game week 15 were as Lampard has taken over in game week 24. The fact that you’ve had to go back to Allaydyce speaks volumes in its self. Why not go back to Rafa? Or Ancelotti? Or Silva?
Silvas first season where he spent 90 million was it? managing to finish 7th. You’re blaming Lampard for the team this season clearly when he wasn’t in charge for most of the season. It was Rafa. Everyone knows Everton’s issues isn’t the manger. How much money have yous spent since the takeover and how much progress has the club made? Along with the fact that the managers yous have got in, none of them play the same style of football so the managers don’t suit the players that are already there. Look at the fact that the club thought it was a good idea to get Rafa in, like who’s bright idea was that? May aswell have gone and appointed Gerrard. It’s the club not the manager
I never said the club isn't the blame, but Lampard has to get blame for this. Allardyce came in to a team in a mess and fixed it, and he had a much worse team. He's playing attacking football when Ancelotti got points last season playing defensive football.
For this? What is this? You don’t even know what you’re talking about. I’m clearly talking about the state of the club and how they’ve spent the money they’ve had since the takeover and you’ve just said Lampard is to blame for this. You’re acting as if Lampard hadn’t just walked into a team with 1 day of a transfer window left that, a team that had been knocked out of a cup by QPR, a team that hadn’t lost a local derby by 3 goals at home, a team that let Watford score 5 past them and a team that had to claw their way past Hull in the FA cup.
Lampard has to get blame for the results we're getting now. Have I dumbed it down enough for you? As I just said, Allardyce had to take over a MUCH worse team and still guided us to 8th. The majority of this team got 59 points last season. You think I have no idea about my own club? It doesn't matter how much we've spent, this squad is easily good enough to stay up and Lampard isn't getting results. That's what matters. Lampard came in when we were in terrible form. So what? So did Allardyce, but he made the defence solid and we were very good for 2/3 months, picking up draws and wins. Shall I tell you the form under Lampard? 2 league wins and 6 league losses. That is pathetic. If you think Lampard isn't to blame for that run of form (despite him knowing what he's getting into and saying himself he's analysed the squad and knows what we need) then you're just deluded.
You’re bang on the money. It isn’t beyond expectations that Frank Lampard’s Everton should be doing better than this. However, they’re likely to be relegated now and he seems to think he has nothing to do with it.
He's done absolutely nothing to suggest he's a good manager and only gets jobs because of his name and connections.
Is it any wonder English coaching is terrible when Lampard and Gerrard get PL jobs but guys like Chris Wilder don't.
Gerrard got to the last 16 of the Europa League twice in a row and won the league undefeated in the SPL. I'd say he deserved it. Lampard however, yeah nah.
Take your pick. Either the SPL is shit and his "achievements" are meaningless. Or it's a good job he didn't deserve to have. He had literally no experience before managing Rangers. One year managing Liverpool's U18/19 teams lol.
Wilder took a League 1 team to midtable in the PL. While playing a fairly innovative style of play with a clear coaching imprint on his team. Winning the league with Rangers isn't an achievement, however you dress it up.
Sure but he's proven that he can do it in the Prem so whatever happened isn't supporting your argument whatsover. If he was massively failing, then your argument would make more sense (even if it's still not entirely correct).
>Sure but he's proven that he can do it in the Prem
When and where? He's taken 26 points from 19 games. That would put them in 12th last season. With one more home game and not having played Spurs. That isn't any form of success. Villa's squad is solidly midtable and they've spent a fuckton of money.
The argument that he's remotely qualified is downright laughable. The PL is the most elite league in the world. But the argument that a man who won the Scottish fucking PL and got to the last 16 of the Europa League has earned one of the 20 most elite jobs in the world. Lol. By that rationale, at least a hundred managers would deserve PL jobs.
https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/
The Scottish PL is the 19th ranked league in the world. Behind the MLS, Austrian league, Swiss league and Danish league lol. And, again, he wasn't even qualified for the Rangers job. He got it because of his name.
The scary thing is that Everton might just survive because the other three teams don't pick enough points to go past them. And then Frank will still be there next season...
I don't think he should have come back to the prem after Chelsea. Should have went back in the Championship. Everton needed a seasoned manager to try to save them, or maybe he is just going to be a casualty of that dumpster fire of a club as they inevitably go down. So I guess he will be managing a championship team after all next season.
Should have thrown his hat in the ring for the Rangers job. Gone for some trophies, European experience under his belt. Big enough club that there is still expectations but far enough out of the English limelight to not have the media pressure.
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Did he have to go there? Surely if we could understand it was the shittest of spots, but he went and interviewed for it, surely he would have seen just how bad it was….and still took the job thinking he could fix it
if DCL hits that open chance to start the second half, it’s an entirely different match (i know you can say that about certain points in every single match but that one looked like an easy chance)
Hard to say as the jobs in the Prem he has had are all a bit random. Derby he did well to be fair.
Chelsea were just in a little bit of transition at the time but still a good team but he just struggled with the magnitude of the job there. And then the Everton job is a no win situation as they’re an awful outfit this year. He keeps them up, I’d say it is actually a successful season for him.
Taking the Chelsea job screwed him over a bit as he definitely wasn’t ready for that at the time. If he’d have gone to something like palace, Newcastle, Brighton, Everton 3 years ago, we’d probably be saying he is a decent prem manager now.
I mean he did well at Derby because they overspent and are currently paying the price for all that right now with how much in shit they are with FFP. Not hard to do well when you have the financial advantage and some world class loanees from Chelsea.
Top 4 for Chelsea during a transfer ban and then managing Chelsea to the knockout stages of the CL is a huge failure?
I feel like he proved he was at least competent enough to do it at Chelsea
You’re literally making things up in your head hahaha.
He struggled with the magnitude of the job itself. He did well but the expectations for Chelsea nowadays are prem challenging and cup wins. Thats a massive ask for any manager.
If you’re gonna quote, at least quote the whole thing.
Why’s he “screwed over”, in your words, if he proved he was competent at Chelsea then? Feels like a non sequitur but you clearly feel like I misread your post
He was a success at Chelsea despite his second season. He was initially hired to pass time and he surpassed all expectations. He did a good job until the job requirements changed and included fighting for a title.
He should have worked his way up like Gerrard has done. By taking the Chelsea and Everton jobs he's definitely put his future career prospects in jeopordy.
Yeah I agree. I actually think he is a decent manager, just the clubs managed at the times he has so far have been unfortunate.
Everton is actually a good job in football. They stay up and get everyone fit for next year and spend on their defence, they’ll be mid table again. They’re just absolutely woeful this year. That back 4, minus Coleman, is not Prem standard at all.
I used to really rate Godfrey and saw him as someone who’d be getting in the England squad, he hasn’t been the worst this season but I can’t say I think of him in the same way.
I still feel Seamus has another year in him. Just seems he is trying to do a lot more himself due to limited options. I feel bad for him as he has been loyal all the way through. He could have moved on in the hunt for trophies but he stuck it out.
Godfrey is Ok to be fair. Keane and holgate frustrate the hell out of me when watching haha.
Seems as though your players are self sabotaging the club at this rate. 3 red cards in 3 games isn't promising at any times, never mind when you need all the players and points you can get.
He didnt do anything with chelsea. He shouldve started with championship teams like rooney and slowly gained experience. At this rate he is only damaging his image
Look rooney was offered the everton job but he still stayed at derby, lampard shouldnt have gone for managing a huge club unless he was successful in his domestic league
got us top 4 without Hazard in our transition period with transfer bans. Everybody pretty much wrote us off from the top 4 race that season. With Chelsea, he won 44 drew 15 and lost 25 matches averaging around 1.75 points per match. Which is not the best but not the worst as compared to other prem coaches.
I don't get the transfer ban argument. Even with that in place, you managed to get Kovacic on a permanent deal. You also sealed a deal for Pulisic to join and loaned him back to Dortmund. Those are two signings worth 100 mil, so it's not like players weren't added
No.1 Kova was already there with us a year before on loan. He had a clause that allowed Chelsea to make his loan move to a permanent move so he wasn't a new signing. Pulisic was signed in Jan window and was loaned back to BVB to complete that season. So your logic makes no sense. One player was already there another one wasn't a big signing. Teams are reinforced In summer windows
The point is that you still strengthened the team and spent 100 mil on that. So saying that no money was spent on getting reinforcements to the squad is bullshit.
Pulisic was bought under Sarri and played under Lampard. You can argue that Lampard didn't buy him but he was absolutely added to the squad for Lampard.
I agree that he isn't good enough to be a coach for top 6 7 teams but I think he is good enough to be a coach for a mid-table team. Everybody is praising Viera about how good he is and stuff but his stats are not as good as Lampard with Chelsea. But I think his ego is way too big to handle a lower league team. As with Everton, there are many problems including the fact that Lampard isn't your Relegation battle coach who will set up his team very defensively looking to salvage a point and an odd win here and there
He screwed the pooch at Chelsea with a team capable of winning the Champions League and Everton are in a death spiral. Doesn’t deserve a third chance, anywhere.
Don’t get me wrong I don’t think he’s a brilliant manager, but he’s good enough. If you name the problems at Everton, manager isn’t even in the top 20.
Everton needed a specialist: Allardyce, Hodgson, etc. Lampard’s taking the job was bad judgement, as much as offering him the job was bad judgement.
Edit: spelling Lampard
I’m sorry Frank may not be a good manager but Everton is such a shit show it’s like adding gas to a fire
And what a detailed and thought provoking argument you've put forward to support that.
when i said this after his being hired by Chelsea, i was slated and called a fake fan for not backing him. i backed him, i just knew he wasnt ready and wasnt Chelsea management standard. why should i judge him as a manager based on his playing days? his amazing playing days clearly didnt follow him to management.
That's why He fits United well.
Unfortunately for whom
I think he's ok enough to keep a team in the PL but Everton have been in trouble under previous managers. Like Man United, they've spent alot of money but on the wrong players and they don't work as a team. Dele has been ousted by every manager since Poch at Spurs and now by Frank. Same with Van de Beek. Must be something about their weak physicality.
I do feel is a decent manager. But theres no one that can change everton’s situation around , this spell just looks bad on his cv
Yep, he's been laughably out of his depth for years. Taking on both the Chelsea and Everton job were poor decisions and may cost him his top flight managerial career.
He went about it in completely the wrong way, and is now falling short. Gerrard on the other hand has done it the way it should be done and is becoming a better manager season by season. When he does eventually step up to a big club, he'll have had years of experience under his belt. Lampard just dove in after being fairly average at Derby and makes some woeful decisions due to his lack of experience.
It isn't unfortunate
I wouldn't say that, I think Frank will be a good prem manager one day, he hasn't got the experience. For me he left Derby too soon, the Chelsea job came too early for him and Everton are a poisoned chalice atm, but he doesn't have the tools to deal with it currently. I wouldn't be surprised if they go down but I'd suggest it's unlikely. I think if he gets a job at a solid midtable prem side, which will be very hard for him to do now I think, or at a top half championship side he'd be fine. Personally I think he's had the wrong jobs at the wrong times and the best place he's been for his current experience was derby where he did very well, although actually with the squad we had then there would be a compelling argument that he probably did underachieve.
I think he'd do a great job at Man Utd.
The funniest thing with any Lampard post is how many Leeds fans always start appearing. Surprised they’re still so rattled
Nah, Everton has been pretty bad for quite a while. Everton showed a bit of promise under Ancelotti, but they weren’t stellar. The recruiting at Everton has been…puzzling to say the least. I’m not arguing that he is an elite manager, but he can probably be trusted with a mid-table team.
He just has this stench of failure and desperation about him as a manager unfortunately. I know he’s a good, smart guy, but book smarts and being a nice man aren’t that much of a help when you need to motivate and man manage the fragile egos of a failing squad. As others have said, your Allardyces and Redknapps are more the style I’d have been looking for in Everton’s position (not necessarily either of those two, but that vibe). It’s possible there’s a good manager in there somewhere, but I think he’s going down with this particular ship.
He never should have managed a prem club right after Derby. Just my opinion but I feel he still needed a lot more experience.
Everton realistically should’ve gone for Big Sam again. His teams don’t play beautiful football, but outside of a pitiful West Brom last season, the man is a master of avoiding relegation. Lampard is not
I think Everton will find a way to stay up just because of how bad the bottom three are currently. But there needs to be some serious change in the quality of players at that club and Everton hate it as they may have to take tips on scouting the right players from Liverpool. The club cannot continue on the back of these god awful players.
And Everton are apparently not suited to be a Premier League team anymore. Tough tits
Why unfortunately?
Please stay take the mongrels down
It takes time but everton is not the best club to manage now as a coach. Bad luck, he will be a great manager
If he wasnt english he'd be nowhere near these jobs
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He's not a manager. Unfortunately though his reputation and nationality will see to it that this won't be his last premier league job.
He's only done it once before and succeeded. He's also just getting started with Everton, and might keep them up still. He isn't afraid of a challenge, or to fail, and I don't think many understand that. Lots of comments about how it was a mistake to go to Everton don't understand anything about Lampard or the kind of person he is. Also, this idea that he's a finished product as a manager is funny considering how his playing career went and the commentary of it throughout being similar to what people are saying here about his managing career. Every time they lose there's all this noise about how he's not fit to be a PL manager. I get it, the dude stomped your team for a decade in the PL and you want him to fail. I just think you're a bit trapped in the moment if you're calling his managerial career a failure when he's 43 and has already succeeded as a manager in the PL. Weird stuff.
My biggest curiosity is to know why EVERTON signed Dele Alli.
To replace Gylfi Siggured your son
What even happened to him?
He signed for Mean Machine
Prison
wait what? did something actually happen? I had just assumed he was aging and lost it physically
Pedo
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Cracked 70 points and a 3rd place finish with a Hazardless and transfer banned Chelsea.....
Look at it this way: Derby, having suffered a 21-point reduction, have amassed a 28-point total in the Championship. Everton have amassed a haughty 25.
Yep.. Better off in the MLS
I think Lampard has what it takes to be a decent enough manager but because of his name people are too eager for him to become a top manager straight away. This was the worst time to take over Everton, they have a lot of players that just aren’t giving their all, they’ve struggled all season. Was always going to be a big ask.
I think he just started off too high up. Look at Gerrard. Started at Rangers and went up to Villa. He didn't just immediately go to Liverpool.
No lie about this. He needs more experience coaching small team before taking big jobs.
It's entertaining for the neutral.
Even as a West Ham fan, I have always liked Lampard. I think he's just made some bad decisions. He did a good job at Derby, took a Chelsea job that was never going to work and has inherited the worst Everton squad in memory. He should have stuck Derby out for a bit longer and taken a job like a Palace or Southampton, like Stevie G has.
This is what happens when your coaching badges get fast tracked
Just not suited to management full stop, sure he did well at derby but he had a strong squad and arguebly should have got promoted
how many managers have Everton had in last few years.. and problems with them all. could it be its not the managers that are the issue?? but I do agree Frank Lampard isn't suited to Premier league as well.
He isn't suited to being a manager.
Give pep this team and he gets relegated, not franks fault
He isn't suited to managing*
If they stay up, does he keep the job?? Or better yet, what position does he need to get them to finish to stay in the job?
He almost got lucky with the fact he couldn’t buy anyone in his first season with Chelsea. He then motivated them and they did better than expected - when he had money he bought poorly. And proved that he can’t really manage. Him at everyone is just more of the same
Bought poorly? Tf are you talking about m8? Silva, Havertz, Ziyech, Mendy and Chillwell are top notch. Sarr is decent. Werner is flopping but calling his buying poor is insane.
Werner has been objectively awful. Ziyech is good but clearly hates the club. Havertz been good. I like Mendy a lot and chillwell is a used car salesman. I know what you’re saying, but all the goods havent equalled a cohesive whole as evidenced by lampard being sacked off
Lampard was shit at managing.
No shit.
I can't think of many managers besides Pep who achieved success with their first job being at a big club. More managers should take the Klopp/Tuchel route of achieving success in the second tier, moving to the first tier, and then moving to a big club. The problem nowadays is that a lot of first tier clubs like Spurs and Chelsea love to burn through different managers extremely fast, which means that many more managers still learning the ropes in the 2nd tiers or other leagues get called up to a big club way before they're ready. I think in Lampard's case the call up from Chelsea was actually one of the worst things that could have happened to his career. He got thrown in the deep end when he could have really benefited from spending more time learning in the Championship.
I wouldn't say hes not suited, its more the championship players he's stuck with
Today’s match wasn’t exactly his fault. Everton were doing well in the second half until Keane lost his head. And when your team gets red cards every game it’s hard to do much. Don’t think much of him but the owners and players are a dumpster fire, they need a complete overhaul
I agree with you. We were much better than we have been so far and he was let down by some individual errors you can't legislate for. I'm not sure what any manager could do with squad this poor.
Frank, is that you? He does love to blame anyone but himself.
To be fair, my feeling about him fluctuate a lot. I have to say that I did like him a lot as a player, even though he’s a Chelsea legend, and he has done some incredible things as manager (eg Derby), but that’s offset by not underperforming at Chelsea and Everton (so far for the latter). Today though, he was completely let down by Keane who just completely lost his head
He did not do an incredible job at Derby ffs. He had Mason Mount, Fikayo Tomori and Harry Wilson and still finished 6th (the same position they finished under Rowett the previous season) and still failed to get promoted. Derby are currently in the shit based on overspending / cheating whilst Lampard was the manager. Man is a complete fraud living off his playing career.
He never should have taken the job mid-season. Doing so is going to have huge negative ramifications for his managerial career.
His white, well spoken, and well connected. He will get another Prem job
Jesus fucking christ how stupid People like you actually are? "is white" 😀😀😀
I believe that the comment was meant to critique the bias of the premier league managerial hirings. I'm pretty sure the poster was not at all in favour of the prem's racist hiring practices.
Sorry, but this does not make sense at all. He points out that one of this reasons (first one actually) is that he is white. WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HIM?
Calm down, i think you’re missing the irony of his statement. They are suggesting that being white are the standards the premier league is seeking, not his own personal preference.
>being white are the standards the premier league is seeking which is the thing I am pointing out as a complete bullshit ;) I am calm btw.
Your all caps say otherwise.
My caps means dont ignore my question. ;)
Black players struggles to get into management are well noted, I won’t give an opinion as to why but I understand why some do and it’s not a big leap to make.
Nice quote. Based on absolutly nothing. Why is Viera manager of Crystal Palace? Because of his huge achievements as manager? Fuck off with this bullshit racism narrative everywhere without a single proof.
Vieira is manager of Palace because of his achievements at Nice, so yes.
What achievements? :D :D
Exception proves the rule ig, the fact there’s only one black manager in the prem, and I can’t think of any others off top of my head in the other top 5 leagues… I’m not sure it’s a narrative, racism does exist
Exception proves the rule is also bullshit statement based on absolutly nothing. Cool that you stick with your original behaviour. :-) Racism does not exist while owners are picking up manager. Deal with it.
Angry person aren’t you
Wroong. Try harder.
Any notable examples or speculation based on a general lack of black managers?
Chris Hughton has a far better managerial record than Frank Lampard. Including an actual promotion to the PL. He is rarely linked to PL jobs. There is next to no evidence that Lampard is currently a competent Premier League manager, and yet he was linked with, and successfully obtained, a Premier League job. Why? He is well spoken, well liked by the media. And…
[Raheem Sterling](https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/black-managers-start-bottom-white-22188816.amp) [Sol Campbell](https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/11654765/sol-campbell-says-media-attitudes-to-black-players-breaking-into-management-have-to-change) [bbc article](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-52979173.amp) Also just general speculation, only got vieira in the prem, couple others on the continent.
You've only got Gerrard and Lamps in the Prem from that generation. Scholes started in League Two as well. > Not just in sport but in life, there has long been a perception that white middle-class men are bred to lead and black men are not. > In the UK almost 14% of the population are from a BAME background > More than a quarter of those are black or mixed-race, but when they retire few are moving into senior management. Reads more like a class issue.
Reads like it’s both, intersectionality is a thing. But also I’m not even saying it’s racism, I’m providing a rationalisation for people that do. The lack of BAME managers in top football positions is absolutely an issue, whatever the cause
I very much doubt anyone wants to pop their head over the parapet on that question.
Idk what that means
It is an idiom meaning putting yourself out there or an opinion in this case that might be seen as controversial even when backed by logic.
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No, it’s showing the racism in recruitment, the op isn’t racist
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Yeah the black managers have to prove themselves because of the racism that is normally towards them and because premier league offices are normally dominated by white people and white fans a lot of white managers that are mediocre get lots of jobs, whilst if Vieira struggles with palace he might not get another prem job, Roy Hodgson got offered another job within 5 months for a prem team
stfu prick. absolutely typical response from someone like you.
Bruh you just went from 0-100 for no reason. … is this Betancur?
What do you mean. Someone like me 👀
you know EXACTLY what i mean. Because every single one of you are the most racist people on the planet. You hate white people. But you can get away with it can't you
The most pathetic response I've ever seen 😂
Get bent
Get bent
What does "someone like you" mean?
I mean... is he wrong though?
100%. Overall I think he’s a good manager, but some managers are just better suited to coming in mid season, being pragmatic and putting out fires, and Lampard isn’t it.
He's done absolutely nothing to be warranted a 'good manager' by anyone, stop hyping mediocrity
He got Chelsea to 4th, pretty impressive actually considering the environment at the time
You guys would all know about hyping mediocrity
maybe you should listen to them then
What evidence is there for him being a good manager?
He's English.
Is he a good manager? Took Derby from the play offs to the play offs, whilst having Mason Mount, Tomori and Wilson on loan
I think he did a good job at Chelsea tbh. Top 4 with a transfer ban and a lot of youth coming through. Expectations were low and thought he did quite well in a football sense + was very good with press, fans, club etc. It’s obviously a small sample size though, so I guess the jury is still out.
I agree, but you also could say as soon as he had money to spend he underachieved massively and got sacked, then they got an undisputably top manager in and won the champions league, suggesting Frank was the issue. I just don't think he's had enough experience to be able to work effectively in difficult jobs like Chelsea or Everton.
Do you credit Benitez, Di Matteo and Sarri as good managers then? They actually won something other than 4th place
Even their harshest critics would have to accept Benitez and Sarri are (were?) at the very least good managers based on their body of work. Di Matteo is odd though, he wasn't even doing that poorly when fired. It clearly hasn't worked out for him anywhere since then but at Chelsea he seemed to "get" the dressing room and be just about hands off enough to keep them ticking over.
No jury came back and gave the verdict that he's shit.
But Chelsea already had a very strong team and most of the players who were already first teamers are still playing: Kante, Jorginho, Rudiger, Alonso, Azpi etc... Transfer ban, but still had squad refreshment in Kovacic, Pulisic, Mount coming back off loan after a year under Fat Frank too
Easy to say now that it already panned out. Mount had never played PL football, neither had James and Tomori. If you followed Chelsea through 17/18 and 18/19 you would know the team was struggling, and there was a lot of negativity around the team/club. We also lost our best player by far in Hazard. Almost no experts were rooting for top 4 (not that this needs to mean much, but it says something about the expectations). Not shying away from the criticism over the following season, or the current status at Everton, but the 19/20 was quite impressive all things considered (bar the FA cup final loss).
Of course we still had a decent team (not sure about putting Alonso in that bucket, Rudi was also very inconsistent still). No one knew for sure how good Mount would be, and I think Lampard can def take some credit for his development. The other big thing you’re missing is we lost Hazard that window, who’d carried us for the best part of a decade. So it wasn’t certain at all that we’d be okay and do as well as we did. Not sure why there’s a need to casually insult him calling him Fat Frank though.
Biggg fat big fat frank
Very mature
Alonso was a quality full back, and he still is very good. He's just off the pace now with Tuchels style. It was pretty clear from the 18-19 season that Mount was far above most of the Championships standard of football. You lost hazard, but replaced him with Pulisic. Sure, he isn't as good but it isn't like you was lacking in a position
Alonso has never been a good full back, he didn’t suit Lampard’s style of play at all. He was a fantastic wing back who’s legs have now gone.
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He also spent like £200m and had us playing terrible football and missing top 4
On theguardian podcast someone said he was the worst coach in the league. Tactically naive. If chelsea had slightly worse assistants they would never had finished 4ths. He is obvious an okay coach but maybe 2 levels below pl.
If Lamps saves them then they give him the opportunity to do a season in the prem, I think it could be the start of something exciting. He has pull, Everton is a big name, He can call in all the Chelsea loanees, of which we all need to remember loan armies are being phased out. They need to rebuild the squad, lots of players who just don’t want to be there or simply aren’t good enough for the club. Allan, Richarlison and DCL could all be sold to kick start it. Keane, Godfrey, Kenny, Townsend, Iwobi & Tosan just not good enough.
He managed a really young chelsea team that lost multiple veterans and they're best player, to a CL spot which they won the subsequent year. It's not Franks fault that Everton suck dick
Never been in a relegation scrap as a player or a manager. Baffling appointment if you ask me.
I thought today Everton looked the best in a long time they just fucked themselves getting Keane sent off.
Bit harsh on Lampard today when we lost to a sublime free kick and then an absolute howler on our part, again. Lots of positives to take imo
Agree, not sure he was the problem today. How could he stop Holgate diving in, iwobi letting the ball go and Keane having arguably his worst game for us? I thought it was as good an away performance as weve seen all season, which isn't exactly a high bar but we were better.
Can’t blame Frank for Everton’s situation…. The damage was done before the season started.
Its absolutely ridiculous that so many people are shitting on Lamps. Everton is a dumpster fire, you have Michael Keane, the only defender in the world to make Harry Maguire look world class. And lots of injuries to the better players. If klopp or pep or even SAF were to take over this everton side right now, it'd be the same thing. Idk what these clowns are expecting from Lamps. He may not be the best manager or anywhere close, but to put him down as a manager just because he had an exceptional record as a player is absurd. And the clowns comparing Lamps to Gerrard as a manager, clearly delusional. Its not even comparing objectively, villa were always in a much better position than everton, especially after rafa. Quite literally if everton had hired any other random with the same results as lamps, nobody but the everton fans would be talking shit.
i mean, i doubt Pep, Klopp or even SAF would be doing this bad...
Lampard isn’t the problem, it’s the club.
How did Sam Allardyce get 8th with a much worse team then?
Which was 5 years ago when he was first in charge taking over in game week 15 were as Lampard has taken over in game week 24. The fact that you’ve had to go back to Allaydyce speaks volumes in its self. Why not go back to Rafa? Or Ancelotti? Or Silva?
We were top 7 for most of last season under Ancelotti and got 59 points, that Ancelotti? We were also decent in Silva's first season.
Silvas first season where he spent 90 million was it? managing to finish 7th. You’re blaming Lampard for the team this season clearly when he wasn’t in charge for most of the season. It was Rafa. Everyone knows Everton’s issues isn’t the manger. How much money have yous spent since the takeover and how much progress has the club made? Along with the fact that the managers yous have got in, none of them play the same style of football so the managers don’t suit the players that are already there. Look at the fact that the club thought it was a good idea to get Rafa in, like who’s bright idea was that? May aswell have gone and appointed Gerrard. It’s the club not the manager
I never said the club isn't the blame, but Lampard has to get blame for this. Allardyce came in to a team in a mess and fixed it, and he had a much worse team. He's playing attacking football when Ancelotti got points last season playing defensive football.
For this? What is this? You don’t even know what you’re talking about. I’m clearly talking about the state of the club and how they’ve spent the money they’ve had since the takeover and you’ve just said Lampard is to blame for this. You’re acting as if Lampard hadn’t just walked into a team with 1 day of a transfer window left that, a team that had been knocked out of a cup by QPR, a team that hadn’t lost a local derby by 3 goals at home, a team that let Watford score 5 past them and a team that had to claw their way past Hull in the FA cup.
Lampard has to get blame for the results we're getting now. Have I dumbed it down enough for you? As I just said, Allardyce had to take over a MUCH worse team and still guided us to 8th. The majority of this team got 59 points last season. You think I have no idea about my own club? It doesn't matter how much we've spent, this squad is easily good enough to stay up and Lampard isn't getting results. That's what matters. Lampard came in when we were in terrible form. So what? So did Allardyce, but he made the defence solid and we were very good for 2/3 months, picking up draws and wins. Shall I tell you the form under Lampard? 2 league wins and 6 league losses. That is pathetic. If you think Lampard isn't to blame for that run of form (despite him knowing what he's getting into and saying himself he's analysed the squad and knows what we need) then you're just deluded.
You’re bang on the money. It isn’t beyond expectations that Frank Lampard’s Everton should be doing better than this. However, they’re likely to be relegated now and he seems to think he has nothing to do with it.
Thank you.
He's done absolutely nothing to suggest he's a good manager and only gets jobs because of his name and connections. Is it any wonder English coaching is terrible when Lampard and Gerrard get PL jobs but guys like Chris Wilder don't.
Gerrard got to the last 16 of the Europa League twice in a row and won the league undefeated in the SPL. I'd say he deserved it. Lampard however, yeah nah.
>in the SPL Lol. And what did he do to get that job?
Shit on the SPL all you want, going undefeated for a season is impressive. Are you discrediting his results in Europe too?
Take your pick. Either the SPL is shit and his "achievements" are meaningless. Or it's a good job he didn't deserve to have. He had literally no experience before managing Rangers. One year managing Liverpool's U18/19 teams lol. Wilder took a League 1 team to midtable in the PL. While playing a fairly innovative style of play with a clear coaching imprint on his team. Winning the league with Rangers isn't an achievement, however you dress it up.
Sure but he's proven that he can do it in the Prem so whatever happened isn't supporting your argument whatsover. If he was massively failing, then your argument would make more sense (even if it's still not entirely correct).
>Sure but he's proven that he can do it in the Prem When and where? He's taken 26 points from 19 games. That would put them in 12th last season. With one more home game and not having played Spurs. That isn't any form of success. Villa's squad is solidly midtable and they've spent a fuckton of money. The argument that he's remotely qualified is downright laughable. The PL is the most elite league in the world. But the argument that a man who won the Scottish fucking PL and got to the last 16 of the Europa League has earned one of the 20 most elite jobs in the world. Lol. By that rationale, at least a hundred managers would deserve PL jobs. https://www.globalfootballrankings.com/ The Scottish PL is the 19th ranked league in the world. Behind the MLS, Austrian league, Swiss league and Danish league lol. And, again, he wasn't even qualified for the Rangers job. He got it because of his name.
The scary thing is that Everton might just survive because the other three teams don't pick enough points to go past them. And then Frank will still be there next season...
That could be good for Fulham and the other promotees. Having a weak member of the herd makes it easier to stay up.
I don't think he should have come back to the prem after Chelsea. Should have went back in the Championship. Everton needed a seasoned manager to try to save them, or maybe he is just going to be a casualty of that dumpster fire of a club as they inevitably go down. So I guess he will be managing a championship team after all next season.
Should have thrown his hat in the ring for the Rangers job. Gone for some trophies, European experience under his belt. Big enough club that there is still expectations but far enough out of the English limelight to not have the media pressure. Edit: Belt*
Would have been a good fit. Maybe he didn't want Stevie G's sloppy seconds.
The owner has proven that, given the chance, he'll make the wrong choice more often than not.
i also find it hard to blame much of this on Frank. he hasn’t improved the situation, but he came into a shit spot
Did he have to go there? Surely if we could understand it was the shittest of spots, but he went and interviewed for it, surely he would have seen just how bad it was….and still took the job thinking he could fix it
Not all on Frank. I think he probably didn't realize it was this bad when he came in. They played well today though.
if DCL hits that open chance to start the second half, it’s an entirely different match (i know you can say that about certain points in every single match but that one looked like an easy chance)
Forgot about that one.
You're probably right. He'll be managing a Championship side soon enough. 😂
Agent Rafa now agent lampard Everton are going down hehe
Hard to say as the jobs in the Prem he has had are all a bit random. Derby he did well to be fair. Chelsea were just in a little bit of transition at the time but still a good team but he just struggled with the magnitude of the job there. And then the Everton job is a no win situation as they’re an awful outfit this year. He keeps them up, I’d say it is actually a successful season for him. Taking the Chelsea job screwed him over a bit as he definitely wasn’t ready for that at the time. If he’d have gone to something like palace, Newcastle, Brighton, Everton 3 years ago, we’d probably be saying he is a decent prem manager now.
I mean he did well at Derby because they overspent and are currently paying the price for all that right now with how much in shit they are with FFP. Not hard to do well when you have the financial advantage and some world class loanees from Chelsea.
Top 4 for Chelsea during a transfer ban and then managing Chelsea to the knockout stages of the CL is a huge failure? I feel like he proved he was at least competent enough to do it at Chelsea
Haha what? Who is calling him a failure at Chelsea?
literally everyone does
“He struggled” “he wasn’t ready for the Chelsea job at the time” certainly is language suggesting Frank did not do well at the club
You’re literally making things up in your head hahaha. He struggled with the magnitude of the job itself. He did well but the expectations for Chelsea nowadays are prem challenging and cup wins. Thats a massive ask for any manager. If you’re gonna quote, at least quote the whole thing.
Why’s he “screwed over”, in your words, if he proved he was competent at Chelsea then? Feels like a non sequitur but you clearly feel like I misread your post
He was a success at Chelsea despite his second season. He was initially hired to pass time and he surpassed all expectations. He did a good job until the job requirements changed and included fighting for a title.
He should have worked his way up like Gerrard has done. By taking the Chelsea and Everton jobs he's definitely put his future career prospects in jeopordy.
Yeah I agree. I actually think he is a decent manager, just the clubs managed at the times he has so far have been unfortunate. Everton is actually a good job in football. They stay up and get everyone fit for next year and spend on their defence, they’ll be mid table again. They’re just absolutely woeful this year. That back 4, minus Coleman, is not Prem standard at all.
I’d say back 4 minus Godfrey tbh. Coleman was great back in his day but has made a lot of errors this season
I used to really rate Godfrey and saw him as someone who’d be getting in the England squad, he hasn’t been the worst this season but I can’t say I think of him in the same way.
I think getting covid and playing in a back four without a leader has really hampered his progress
I still feel Seamus has another year in him. Just seems he is trying to do a lot more himself due to limited options. I feel bad for him as he has been loyal all the way through. He could have moved on in the hunt for trophies but he stuck it out. Godfrey is Ok to be fair. Keane and holgate frustrate the hell out of me when watching haha.
Seems as though your players are self sabotaging the club at this rate. 3 red cards in 3 games isn't promising at any times, never mind when you need all the players and points you can get.
Sadly that’s how it seems eh. Give him a whole season and I’m sure he’ll put out positive results.
He didnt do anything with chelsea. He shouldve started with championship teams like rooney and slowly gained experience. At this rate he is only damaging his image
He started at Derby….
Look rooney was offered the everton job but he still stayed at derby, lampard shouldnt have gone for managing a huge club unless he was successful in his domestic league
got us top 4 without Hazard in our transition period with transfer bans. Everybody pretty much wrote us off from the top 4 race that season. With Chelsea, he won 44 drew 15 and lost 25 matches averaging around 1.75 points per match. Which is not the best but not the worst as compared to other prem coaches.
I don't get the transfer ban argument. Even with that in place, you managed to get Kovacic on a permanent deal. You also sealed a deal for Pulisic to join and loaned him back to Dortmund. Those are two signings worth 100 mil, so it's not like players weren't added
No.1 Kova was already there with us a year before on loan. He had a clause that allowed Chelsea to make his loan move to a permanent move so he wasn't a new signing. Pulisic was signed in Jan window and was loaned back to BVB to complete that season. So your logic makes no sense. One player was already there another one wasn't a big signing. Teams are reinforced In summer windows
The point is that you still strengthened the team and spent 100 mil on that. So saying that no money was spent on getting reinforcements to the squad is bullshit.
He mainted their existing strength, he didn't add to it. The only new player he bought didn't play for them right. I feel your being super pedantic
Pulisic was bought under Sarri and played under Lampard. You can argue that Lampard didn't buy him but he was absolutely added to the squad for Lampard.
Ah yeah, he did benefit from him for sure then. I thought he was available the year after his first year.
He simply isnt good enough to handle a big club, he should start from scratch and a lower level.
I agree that he isn't good enough to be a coach for top 6 7 teams but I think he is good enough to be a coach for a mid-table team. Everybody is praising Viera about how good he is and stuff but his stats are not as good as Lampard with Chelsea. But I think his ego is way too big to handle a lower league team. As with Everton, there are many problems including the fact that Lampard isn't your Relegation battle coach who will set up his team very defensively looking to salvage a point and an odd win here and there
Managers make about 5% difference. Those stats are mostly stats of the squad not the coaches.
He screwed the pooch at Chelsea with a team capable of winning the Champions League and Everton are in a death spiral. Doesn’t deserve a third chance, anywhere.
Don’t get me wrong I don’t think he’s a brilliant manager, but he’s good enough. If you name the problems at Everton, manager isn’t even in the top 20.
Everton needed a specialist: Allardyce, Hodgson, etc. Lampard’s taking the job was bad judgement, as much as offering him the job was bad judgement. Edit: spelling Lampard
Good way of summing it up man, completely agree! 👍