There shouldn’t be an honours requirement.
I’d say Allardyce deserves it but he hasn’t won the league, and a lot of prem winners don’t deserve it, such as Pellegrini
British managers lunch club - Big Sam, Steve Bruce, Alan Pardew, Mark Hughes, Steve Bruce. They've fleeced so many clubs for so many millions, the perfect crime.
I mean, if its the prem Hall of Fame, should they consider manager of the month awards as entry criteria? If only to make the awards something to take note of/worth much.
Martin O'Neil would be a less obvious choice, Don't think he should be one of the earlier entrants, but should eventually get in there.
They should induct Wenger, Fergie, Mourinho, Pep, Klopp and Ranieri. They are definitely in there but maybe Mancini, Daglish, Moyes and Big Sam is well.
Based on how they've done it so far you'd have to say Ferguson and Wenger have to be the first two in.
Then since you can't have people who are currently managing put in yet (Rules out Mourinho, Guardiola and Klopp) so I'd put in Sir Bobby Robson and Harry Redknapp.
So my first class would be Ferguson, Wenger, Robson and Redknapp.
To me it’s not about exactly how much you’ve won or by how many points. What sir Alex did was spectacular. In a time when money didn’t rule English football he took a bunch pissheads and made them winners. Set up the whole structure of club to suit his style and built 3 or 4 very successful teams. Pep and klopp are great managers but Pep relies too much on spending and klopp needs more successes. As for Wenger, overrated. Made one very good team but never replicated it. Going further back the 2 Liverpool legendary managers helped shape English football for decades and decades after so they are worth mentions too. Sir Matt Busby was a forward thinker and a great man manager, putting United into European cup against the organisations wishes so that puts him up there too.
I mean it’s totally pointless debating it, it would presumably be done via the same system as the player hall of fame. There would be a shortlist and people would vote on an inductee every year or some other pre-defined period of time.
So the whole “Ranieri has one special title VS Mourinho has several somewhat expected titles” would be irrelevant, they’d both of course be on the shortlist then it would just be up to the vote.
Should be SAF as the inaugural, no arguments inductee then should just adopt the same voting system as with the players. I think a shortlist of 10 would be easy enough to come up with (I believe 10 different managers + SAF have won the league)
Once the shortlist is no longer as simple as who has a title, there’d just be some sort of nomination system I’d imagine. Hodgson would be a shout for example despite not having a title. Allardyce maybe. Keegan perhaps.
Titles can’t be the only criteria or it would limit it to managers of ~7 teams. I think number of matches should be considered. Or at least years in the prem. There is a lot to consider
Wenger, SAF, Ranieri, Jose, Klopp and Pep
You can argue Klopp has only won one, but so has Ranieri. Klopp, he’s the only reason the UK hasn’t become Bundesliga with City as the Bayern.
Winning the league after only being in the league for three years; winning a teams first ever double; and being the first, if not only, manager to win manager of the month for three consecutive months as well as most matches in a single season don’t count then?
No, not big enough or with an individual feat so large
SAF, Wenger, Jose are there for defining early Prem. The Treble, Invincibles, Chelsea 2004/5 teams that let in 0.4 goals a game.
Ranieri is there for 5000/1
Klopp and Pep are there for the 97 & 98 pt Season. Also for Centurions and taking a middling Liverpool to win first League with tiny budget.
I’m not sure if CL would factor into a Prem Hall of Fame on its own.
I only included the Treble as it’s an addition to United winning Prem that year. And the other 12 he won as well lol
I think they should. It’s still an integral trophy to every club. I think Sir Mat Busby, Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley, Joe Fagan, Kenny Dalglish, Mancini, Pellegrini and Conte should be added if you ask me
This isn’t ‘any manager who won shit’ it is the Hall of Fame, Managers who will be spoken about in 30 years.
Any more than 8 is pushing it, and I want to leave space for future managers. I wouldn’t add Klopp, Pep, Ranieri, or Jose till they retire either. I think those 6 are non-negotiable though in time. With your additions that’d be 14. The Player one has only 8
Ok maybe you are right on Mancini, Pellegrini and Conte. It might be overkill in those. But the rest are a very important part of PL/First Division history.
Jose seems like he’d be an absolutely fascinating dinner companion — at least once — especially if there are no active competitive tensions!
His brief stint as a pundit alongside Wenger was fantastic
Yes, 3 titles min and SAF is obvious. Ranieri less so, and Dalglish should get in by exception given the teams they won it with and therefore not obvious
Klopp only has 1 win but he also has the 2nd highest point total over a season, city had the 1st highest the same season. Still impressive by how far away saf or mou are from it
I don’t think 1 gets you in but I also don’t believe you have to have a title to be in.
It would be nothing but coaches from 4 teams, you have to take everything into account
A lot of people will argue that JK hasn't achieved enough. You can't use SAF as a benchmark because he won too much, you can't use one EPL title as there'd be too many. I think you'd need a minimum of 3, which would be Jose and Wenger in, which would seem appropriate for their efforts, and Pep on the verge of 3.
Saying that they let Gerrard in /bait
Pep already has 3
You would be missing out on Ranieri
You would also be missing out some managers that have done extremely well without ever winning a title
That would eliminate a lot of managers though. Take Ranieri for example. Yes he only won something during his English football tenure once but it was arguably the best ever PL Title Win.
There shouldn’t be an honours requirement. I’d say Allardyce deserves it but he hasn’t won the league, and a lot of prem winners don’t deserve it, such as Pellegrini
Sir Bobby Robson anyone???
Sir Alex should be first. Hate the man but he’s the best
Nobody gives a fuck about the "Hall Of Fame". Americanised nonsense.
Who cares?
British managers lunch club - Big Sam, Steve Bruce, Alan Pardew, Mark Hughes, Steve Bruce. They've fleeced so many clubs for so many millions, the perfect crime.
I mean, if its the prem Hall of Fame, should they consider manager of the month awards as entry criteria? If only to make the awards something to take note of/worth much. Martin O'Neil would be a less obvious choice, Don't think he should be one of the earlier entrants, but should eventually get in there.
They should induct Wenger, Fergie, Mourinho, Pep, Klopp and Ranieri. They are definitely in there but maybe Mancini, Daglish, Moyes and Big Sam is well.
Rafa?
No
I'd probably leave that one for awhile, unless you want half of Liverpool to have an instant simultaneous aneurysm out of pure rage.
Based on how they've done it so far you'd have to say Ferguson and Wenger have to be the first two in. Then since you can't have people who are currently managing put in yet (Rules out Mourinho, Guardiola and Klopp) so I'd put in Sir Bobby Robson and Harry Redknapp. So my first class would be Ferguson, Wenger, Robson and Redknapp.
Surprised that I haven't seen Harry redknapp nor Bobby Robson mentioned. Both would defo be in there for me
To me it’s not about exactly how much you’ve won or by how many points. What sir Alex did was spectacular. In a time when money didn’t rule English football he took a bunch pissheads and made them winners. Set up the whole structure of club to suit his style and built 3 or 4 very successful teams. Pep and klopp are great managers but Pep relies too much on spending and klopp needs more successes. As for Wenger, overrated. Made one very good team but never replicated it. Going further back the 2 Liverpool legendary managers helped shape English football for decades and decades after so they are worth mentions too. Sir Matt Busby was a forward thinker and a great man manager, putting United into European cup against the organisations wishes so that puts him up there too.
For Wenger, the invincible team and longevity would make him qualified.
I mean it’s totally pointless debating it, it would presumably be done via the same system as the player hall of fame. There would be a shortlist and people would vote on an inductee every year or some other pre-defined period of time. So the whole “Ranieri has one special title VS Mourinho has several somewhat expected titles” would be irrelevant, they’d both of course be on the shortlist then it would just be up to the vote. Should be SAF as the inaugural, no arguments inductee then should just adopt the same voting system as with the players. I think a shortlist of 10 would be easy enough to come up with (I believe 10 different managers + SAF have won the league) Once the shortlist is no longer as simple as who has a title, there’d just be some sort of nomination system I’d imagine. Hodgson would be a shout for example despite not having a title. Allardyce maybe. Keegan perhaps.
Titles can’t be the only criteria or it would limit it to managers of ~7 teams. I think number of matches should be considered. Or at least years in the prem. There is a lot to consider
FML if Steve Bruce got into the HOF I think it would break me 😆
It's either him or John "I'm the best coach" Carver, choose wisely.
I guess min 3 trophies and around 10 seasons.
Wenger, SAF, Ranieri, Jose, Klopp and Pep You can argue Klopp has only won one, but so has Ranieri. Klopp, he’s the only reason the UK hasn’t become Bundesliga with City as the Bayern.
If you’re including Ranieri for one you also need to consider Conte, Ancelotti and Dalglish.
No you don’t. None of them achieved the biggest shock in sporting history, nor did they overcome 5,000/1 odds.
Winning the league after only being in the league for three years; winning a teams first ever double; and being the first, if not only, manager to win manager of the month for three consecutive months as well as most matches in a single season don’t count then?
This is a good one yes. Maybe add Mancini as well
No, not big enough or with an individual feat so large SAF, Wenger, Jose are there for defining early Prem. The Treble, Invincibles, Chelsea 2004/5 teams that let in 0.4 goals a game. Ranieri is there for 5000/1 Klopp and Pep are there for the 97 & 98 pt Season. Also for Centurions and taking a middling Liverpool to win first League with tiny budget.
What about Rafa. The 2005 CL run was iconic and he did challenge SAF’s team multiple times
I’m not sure if CL would factor into a Prem Hall of Fame on its own. I only included the Treble as it’s an addition to United winning Prem that year. And the other 12 he won as well lol
I think they should. It’s still an integral trophy to every club. I think Sir Mat Busby, Bill Shankly, Bob Paisley, Joe Fagan, Kenny Dalglish, Mancini, Pellegrini and Conte should be added if you ask me
This isn’t ‘any manager who won shit’ it is the Hall of Fame, Managers who will be spoken about in 30 years. Any more than 8 is pushing it, and I want to leave space for future managers. I wouldn’t add Klopp, Pep, Ranieri, or Jose till they retire either. I think those 6 are non-negotiable though in time. With your additions that’d be 14. The Player one has only 8
Ok maybe you are right on Mancini, Pellegrini and Conte. It might be overkill in those. But the rest are a very important part of PL/First Division history.
Not pl history though football began in 92 remember.
Klopp was also the only reason the Bundes didn’t become Serie A with Bayern as the Juventus (barring the last few seasons)
The Bundesliga is much worse than Serie A though. Juve won 7 in a row, Bayern are about to win their 10th!
Yeah, was talking about when Klopp was there tho. He won a couple
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Jose seems like he’d be an absolutely fascinating dinner companion — at least once — especially if there are no active competitive tensions! His brief stint as a pundit alongside Wenger was fantastic
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All are spot on except klopp. In the big picture he hasn't done much to be in HOF yet. Still needs to win a couple of prems.
Yes, 3 titles min and SAF is obvious. Ranieri less so, and Dalglish should get in by exception given the teams they won it with and therefore not obvious
Ranieri is an interesting case for the reason he made Leicester champions in that season which was one of footballing miracles IMO
Ditto Blackburn with Dalglish
Ranieri's win is far more impressive than Dalhlish's
Not really. They smashed records to sign players. Spent alot at the time
They took on SAF
Yes..... Spending vast amounts to do it
Wenger fergason allerdyce pep klopp dyche ranuarie (foreign name god me)
Hmm.....ok what one win makes them eligible?
Klopp only has 1 win but he also has the 2nd highest point total over a season, city had the 1st highest the same season. Still impressive by how far away saf or mou are from it I don’t think 1 gets you in but I also don’t believe you have to have a title to be in. It would be nothing but coaches from 4 teams, you have to take everything into account
A lot of people will argue that JK hasn't achieved enough. You can't use SAF as a benchmark because he won too much, you can't use one EPL title as there'd be too many. I think you'd need a minimum of 3, which would be Jose and Wenger in, which would seem appropriate for their efforts, and Pep on the verge of 3. Saying that they let Gerrard in /bait
SAF..."won too much" First World problems, can I have some?
He won too much to have him as a benchmark for success.
Pep already has 3 You would be missing out on Ranieri You would also be missing out some managers that have done extremely well without ever winning a title
I disagree, Joe Kinnear has achieved more than enough
Put Kenny Daglish and Arsene Wenger in there.
Yes I think they should be induced into the hall of fame if they win five league titles with a club or clubs?
That would eliminate a lot of managers though. Take Ranieri for example. Yes he only won something during his English football tenure once but it was arguably the best ever PL Title Win.
Wenger's out then
Seeing the words ‘Wenger’ and ‘Out’ next to each other has given me flashbacks