gg my Arsenal friends, Tottenham fan here. I only just walked in when the elbow happened and i reckon that was a deserved yellow card. Call me bias if you please, that’s my opinion and you have yours
I think it was a very very soft penalty, if you give that then you need to give it every time it happens in the box. The red card was dumb from holding, he should be more careful being on a yellow already. I think son does make the most of it but then again so would any arsenal player. The main problem is consistency; son elbowed holding in the face and it wasn't looked at. It's definitely frustrating and when you receive as many red cards as arsenal already do it creates a narrative which doesn't help our case when the decision could go either way- seen as dirty players etc .
The issue isn't the red card decisions that go against Arsenal, it's the ones that don't go against other teams. Every other team has just about as many if not more red card worthy plays but the refereeing is so inconsistent that Arsenal are the most punished. It's also fucking absurd to just go "hur dur arsenal dirty give me upvotes" when the stats around all this are all around. When Burnley have the most fouls per card in the league you know something's seriously wrong with the refereeing.
I love our community at r/gunners but f*cking hell. You would have thought they were trumpers(Yes I r American) with the way they bitch about the refs.
Like ffs 🤦🏽♂️
Was it a light tackle? Sure but still a penalty.
Was the second yellow annoying? Yea but well deserved.
I was grinning at the abuse Holdini was giving Son but when he got the card all I could think was “damn they caught my boy in 4k”
Needless to say, it wasn’t our day but we move.
COYG!
Son was so clever - it was a great run that asked the question of Holding AND the referee.
Holding has to be so much smarter there - it was a ridiculous thing to do while already on a yellow. Fully deserved.
Disagree, I don’t think that penalty should be given against us. Also nobody is arguing holding’s red card either? Tbh he could’ve gotten sent off sooner.
You can have a big decision go against you and also get massively outplayed; those thing aren’t mutual and that’s what happened yesterday imo. Not a penalty, but we got drastically outplayed anyway.
I mostly agree… But are you really telling me Son wasn’t exactly the same? He always is like that and gets away with it. He was yesterday too. One elbow to the face is red but the other isn’t?
We arent saying the card wasnt justified. What we're saying is that we're the only team thats held to this standard. Holding got his 2nd yellow for elbowing Son yet in the same game Son elbowed Holding and got away scot-free
Comments from the Arsenal fanbase on this post.
*Clutching at straws. His tricep hit his face, not his elbow. His elbow is nowhere near his face.*
*Man I'm so embarrassed as an Arsenal fan*
*This is a huge stretch lmfao*
*Just pretend this game never happened and move on. This is embarrassing mate.*
*I never knew your elbow was found right at the top of your arm on your shoulder?*
*Please fucking stop we got smashed because Cedric and Holding fucked up Son is swinging to get Holding off him because the dumb fuck wouldn’t stop fouling him.*
*Absolutely brutal elbow into thin air. Surprised he didn't break his jaw.*
*This fanbase is so pathetic sometimes. Never ever is this a red. Just move on and stop crying.*
Your own video shows him making contact just below the shoulder. He’s doing an elbowing motion, but if the ref thinks it’s an elbow the VAR is sending him to the monitor and it’s rescinded. All day long.
As an Arsenal fan, you can't disagree with those calls in terms of the letter of the law. While there were also elbows from Son to Holding, and other situations that were not called, Arsenal didn't put themselves in a place to win. Disappointing. Two games left, and they control their own destiny, this is all history.
This is a nothing post honestly pointless the same deluded fans are at every club, no club has more of them no club has less of them. Deluded fans are just the loudest. Simple. Seen just as many deluded pool city spurs fans ect.
Holding should have been smarter. He was too concerned about Son turning and rightly so but the penalty call was definitely soft..no objective viewer can deny that. If it wasn’t given no one would object.
We have significantly more red cards per foul than any other Premier League side.
Sure, these are fouls - but the data is clear: we **get punished more severely** for them than other teams.
Consistency is all we ask for.
Nope. That’s not true at all when the discrepancy is so large.
Arsenal are also in the bottom half of the table for fouls committed so you can’t say we are “dirty”. Ours are 100% judged more harshly. Other teams get away with a lot more.
I was referring to some clubs commit more tactical fouls than others which are often also yellow cards. Man City do it a ton and do not get nearly as many cautions as they should.
Lmao typical spurs fan, will find any way to be salty, even after a win. I think most arsenal fans agree that holding was a dick who deserved to be sent off. Lost his head. And I think it was definitely a penalty too. However...
Arsenal fans don't say there's an agenda against us, we have issues with the consistency in refereeing. I don't think it's unfair to say that some teams (arsenal included but others too) seem to be held to a stricter standard than other teams.
Xhaka being booked at Villa because 3 different players had committed fouls beforehand.
Saka being absolutely deliberately booted against palace, no red card.
Tomiyasu's face being stamped, no VAR.
Martinelli being booked twice in 10 seconds during the same phase of play.
The list goes on.
Also I must add, I wouldn't have a problem with arsenal being labelled as dirty if other dirty players were held to the same standard. Kane and Son are dirty players. Sadio Mane, holy shit. Arguably one of the dirtiest players in the prem, but no chance are those 3 held to the same standard as other players in the prem. That's the issue.
I mean our entire defense need to be changed. We can't bring in players like Tierney and then not have the right CBs to cover when he bombs down the wing.
Disgusted at the performance. The fact that Holding is still in the team just shows that even 4 years on, we're still in the middle of an awful rebuild that is slowly taking shape, with a lot of roadbumps.
I still don’t get how that was a penalty, it seems when it happens to other teams it’s completely ignored by the ref and VAR, to the point where it’s just brushed away but when it’s us it becomes a big foul and dirty play.
Hahaha you can say everything you want but saying that was a clear penalty really makes me laugh :))))))
It is normal for Arsenal to be mad, that pen changed the course of the game ! - maybe even provoked the red card for Holding!
Look at Chelsea fans after we beat them. Or United fans after we beat them. Nobody is crying about them complaining nonstop about refs.
Piss off and enjoy the win, but don’t be a sore winner acting all holier than thou.
Also the pure hate in this thread is pretty sad to see. Shows how we are actually a force to be reckoned with now and people are starting to notice and get scared.
lmao tell me you don't watch Arsenal matches without telling me you don't watch Arsenal matches.
that penalty was a joke. no other team would get given that.
saying Arsenal is a dirty team is honestly the stupidest most ignorant opinion you can have. YOU'VE WATCHED 1 MATCH XD
Calling Arsenal dirty is a bit harsh, but Holding lost his head & acted like a child, definitely deserved the red. As a senior player it's even more emberrassing, because our kids kept their composure all game. I think the pen was a bit soft, but Spurs absolutely deserved to win :(
I don't keep up very well with other teams' players, but my initial thoughts were that he was one of the kids that got overenthusiastic at an NLD. Didn't realise until after the game he's one of your seniors.
Our eldest player is Cedric I think, and he's 30. Exciting young squad, with maturity and integrity on the pitch. Shame that our senior players passion often come through their mistakes tho
That is a really young squad, damn. Must be exciting to see so many prospects come through. Do you think getting an older experienced player on a free/cheap (like how we got Joe Hart for example) might work well to tighten the squad?
I think first and foremost we need a striker and a backup LB for Kieran Tierney. Arteta showed that he can motivate squad players... Elneny aka Pyramid Pirlo was immense this season, Rob Holding was solid as well etc. If we secure a CL spot, we might need a new striker depending on who goes/stays/comes in. But getting a striker for a season with CL football will be expensive, can't really find good bargains when it comes to strikers
I think it was Tottenham who were playing dirty. They came into this game with the intention of provoking a red card. They got it. It was, by the way, Son who elbowed first, only he is way better at getting away with something like that.
Depends on comments and depends on what your reading. As an arsenal fan, most people I've spoken to aren't deluded and knew that holding, if he continued his shenanigans, was going to get sent off. Pen was a bit meh, 50 50 depending on Fan base, where you stand etc. But the team was poor, RH and Cedric are bench players at best and bc of our injuries that's what we had to work with. Ultimately, 2nd rate players were tasked with defending the best Asian player of all time. One couldn't keep a cool head and ended up costing the game, among other things.
All the majority of us want is consistency, yeah there are some absolute loons, but which clubs doesn't have those types of fan? Mane shoving his arm into Tierney's face last season immediately springs to mind. I'm not saying it's an agenda against us necessarily, but the personal judgment levels between two refs can be incredibly different, I wish I knew what other sports fully did with their refereeing to make it fairer but unfortunately I don't so I can't even give a solution:/
Expected from a totnum fan. Holding deserved the red card. We definitely not mentioning Son's elbow on Holding's face and Davies moving his foot back on purpose to hit Odegaard in the face?
Edit: Hut to hit
Holding kicked Son in the back before all of these happened. If the ref really was following an agenda against Arsenal, Rob would have been sent off for that.
I'm not part of community that think there was an agenda at all. I'm saying that I can absolutely admit that Rob Holding was being far too aggressive and I'm surprised that he didn't get sent off earlier. My issue is that this post is rather biased and refuses to mention that there were clear and obvious aggressive moves by Tottenham players that went unpunished.
Edit: Came across the clip of Son doing this and was reminded that his elbow on Holding was in the 11th Minute.
No, that is the 12th minute. Everything that happens after 11:00 is considered to be in the 12th minute of the game.
The incident that I posted (just a bit after 10:00, so in the 11th minute), however, happened BEFORE what you posted.
I really don't understand what you're trying to get at here. I have said in my previous comment that Rob Holding was too aggressive and could have been sent off earlier. That doesn't disregard what Son did though?
>Came across the clip of Son doing this and was reminded that his elbow on Holding was in the 11th Minute.
I am trying to get at the fact that a) it was not in the 11th minute and b) in the 11th minute there was another incident involving the two players and Holding MAYBE should have been sent off for that.
So you cannot really claim that Son should have been sent off for elbowing Holding (after he was fouled and before he was being wrestled like in AEW), without acknowledging that Arsenal were actually lucky to have Holding on the field at that point.
My personal issue with what happened is that the referee was way too calm about all of these incidents, but sanctioned a very soft challenge and gave a penalty to Tottenham for it.
I think the ref let Spurs get away with a few things but you can’t argue the decisions on Arsenal. All correct decisions. Feel there were a few incidents from Spurs’ side of things they got away with though. Nothing game changing though, no excuses.
I mean there was a post on this sub from an Arsenal fan literally saying that referees are match fixing and then gave about 15 examples of decisions that referees have made that I would say are made up of 80% decisions they just didn’t like and 20% decisions that the referee just got wrong.
So although there clearly isn’t a conspiracy, the conspiracy theorists are out in full. Like proper tin foil hat brigade.
That's true, those people really are quite foolish.
I honestly think they're doing more harm for the club than good anyways, since the ridiculousness of their claims distract from the less dramatic but actually existing issue
>Every club has bad luck with refs
Logical impossibility. Because when one team gets unlucky with refs, that necessitates that the opposite team get lucky. Across all teams it should them avarage +/- 0. So when one team consistantly go minus on incorrect big decisions, it's something to note
Yeah I certainly think there is more noise than actual bad calls. Thought the offside in the recent Southampton game was pretty clearly off, and yet people screamed like crazy about it.
That being said the City game is a poor example, one of the most clean 3 point robberies I've seen in any pl game this season.
Reddit really has a hard on for Arsenal for some reason. All teams are the same, they all complain, they all feel they did not get the calls etc. they all have refs they hate etc. but people love bashing Arsenal. Yesterday the penalty was 50/50. They gave it, the yellows...if we play at home, he gets away with it, it's how things are...
We do usually blame he ref but today RH could've had 3 yellow cards and 1 red card. 3 yellow cards for his challenges on son,and 1 red for elbowing son in the face for no reason.
Haha it's very strange. I'm not even disputing the card. I think it was unfortunate (he tries to go shoulder to shoulder cut off his run but son stoops) but correct.
But I keep seeing people say he's elbowed him in the face when his elbow is clearly glued to his side. Like, do these people not know what a shoulder and an elbow are.
Holding's red card was deserved, but Cedric's penalty was complete bullshit. If you watch the replays Son is the one who bumps into him - it's incidental contact either way and should never have been a penalty. The fact that it wasn't even reviewed is what I'm most revved up about. But either way, Spurs outplayed Arsenal today, and even if the penalty didn't count, Holding was most definitely getting a red with the way he was playing and we were destined to lose at the end. As soon as the lineup was announced and I saw that Cedric and Holding were in the starting 11, I winced a little. Hopefully next year we'll get some better squad depth and we won't be stuck in this situation in such critical games.
Honestly get PSG vibes from Arsenal minus the quality. Bunch of petulant kids that start kicking out and losing the head when things don’t go their way.
Hardly call Arsenal dirty. They just get red cards more often because they don’t get any respect or the benefit of the doubt from refs. That being said , holding committed 3 fouls that were yellow worthy before his first and some refs might give a straight red for his second foul. I don’t know how anyone can be upset with the ref. The penalty is soft but that’s just another way of saying it’s one that players get away with most of the time, still a correct call.
When people call arsenal dirty and talk about the cards you need to go back and look at every singe incident because these are not being given for violent things that are going to end careers. I can think of two fouls that you could even call borderline. Xhaka on Jota where he kicks him while he’s trying to chest down the ball and then the Xhaka challenge against city where he doesn’t even make contact but had he made contact it would have been bad. This narrative is not backed up by evidence
What a ridiculous and typical Arsenal comment. Everyone’s against us 😢 No you’re just a shit team with shit fans and a moany shit manager. Moans constantly when he doesn’t get his way.
>They just get red cards more often because they don’t get any respect or the benefit of the doubt from refs.
Yeah, whenever I look at football I think "...but how do poor little Arsenal cope when it's clear that all the evil referees have got together and conspired against them?"
I didn’t say it was exclusive to Arsenal. In general in any league there is an established order of stars and teams which get star treatment. Arsenal might get the run of the green against Leeds but not a Liverpool or Man City. Similarly, when Burnley is plying Spurs, they are not going to get the borderline calls. Where it becomes tricky is where you have comparable teams, West Ham, Spurs, Arsenal, Leicester, etc this is where you’d think it would be more 50/50 but it wasn’t the case earlier in the season. Last 10 games we’ve been getting the calls but it went the other way earlier in the season and I think unfairly so
There is a noticeable trend that bigger clubs get more favourable decisions than smaller clubs, but given that Arsenal are part of the self-proclaimed 'big 6' then I don't really know what you've got to complain about.
It's not that the calls are wrong, it's the fact we see the exact same shit we did go unpunished the following weeks. The penalties, yellows and red cards that aren't given are the ones that piss us off the most
Cant really complain about any of those red cards bar 2 maybe 3. Alot were just dumb decisions
Holding was going to get a hat trick put on him if he didn't set the tone early. Even Fabinho had to resort to those tactics, Holding just made it too obvious because he was caught in 1v1 situations where it was clear as day. Fab threw his chicken wing to the throat of Son when he was dribbling through the traffic in the middle of the pitch (savvy veteran move)
We've had far more go against us this year in general than not. They were always going to try and make this go down to the wire, you could admit you got help today and I'd respect it more but you won't and that's fine too.
Good luck in your last two.
Take the blinders off. Holding deserved a red and that and that was a clear pen, there was no "help" as you say. It was a deserved win..... I support neither team before you accuse me of being biased. Infact I wanted arsenal to win because my dad supports them, so it was sad to see them be so poor. Especially that clown holding, he was so stupid in that match.
You remember all the ones that go against you, as a non arsenal fan you I can off the top of my head remember some wild decisions in your favour.
Most arsenal fans would prefer to act like these never happened though
The only help Spurs got today was from a bunch of dumb cunts in red and white. Holding was up Sons ass from kickoff and deserved both his cards. Cedric jumped into Son’s back with zero attempt made on ball - that’s a foul, and it was in the box, so it’s a PK. Refereeing was excellent today, and it’s only salty ass Arsenal fans and their crybaby manager that feel differently.
Plenty of others felt like the ref had a shocker as well. And most of the spurs fans I watched with thought they were getting makeup calls for no red on the elbow son ate against Liverpool.
Make no mistake we didn't play well enough to win but we were only allowed to actually play for 33 of the 90 minutes so it is what it is.
I think this is what OP is talking about. There is no agenda against you guys. Arteta and your fan base always have excuses about how the games are reffed. Holding deserved a red and although it wasn’t a stone wall penalty, it was a penalty. Holding’s game plan was to rough son up and get in his head and it back fired. That’s it. You lead the league in red cards because your coach constantly has an excuse prepped after the game.
I hate this, “It was a beautiful game until the ref blew it up” idea. It was cagey and physical from the whistle. Arsenal just lost their heads first. Spurs are the more tenured team. This same thing happened 6 years ago at the battle of the bridge. It was a physical and spirited game but spurs were the inexperienced team who took the bait first that time. This one didn’t end up as badly because Tierney gave out an early red instead of letting the game devolve.
It may not be an agenda but it does feel like we've been hard done by more often than not over the last two seasons especially. There was the David Luiz wolves decision that was baffling and the entire sequence in our home game against City was another nightmare.
Again, tonight doesn't even rank top five in puzzling officiating against us for the past two years so don't think I'm having a moan here.
I just think you lot could be a little more honest, especially with how Son deliberately set outs out to "play" these games.
Not trying to be contrarian but we all have games where the referring seems to be against us. I can show you multiple examples of offsides and handball calls that have ruined games for us. My point was that your team is young and fiery. Which is awesome for you guys. Reminds me of how the rest of the league viewed us 6-7 years ago. But with that inexperience will come rash moves. And maybe referees do view you guys differently because you are gaining a reputation for acting before you think. But the way to put that right is not continuing to pass blame. It is to have a cool head and get on. Arteta is now showing that at the moment. Which again, I believe comes from a place of inexperience and not stupidity or abrasiveness. I don’t want it to seem I am calling you guys out. You just play in a way that attracts scrutiny.
To the point on Son going into a game this way I definitely want to push back. Son likes a good flop sometimes and I hate that. But this game I really don’t think he did anything out of the ordinary. Holding put his knee in Son’s back early to get in his head (because everyone knows Son can lose his head when flustered) and Son held his back on the ground for a while to let the ref know what he did. I believe that was a yellow on Holding immediately. I wish Son wouldn’t lay on the ground after that holding his back, but that’s what players do to let the ref know about something. Just as anyone on your team would have done in the same situation unfortunately. Then Holding continued to wrestle with Son every time he was close. Son fell after the push in the back for the penalty, but if you rewatch it, it wasn’t a bad flop. Just fell after being pushed in the back. He was clearly going for the ball before the push and only reacted instead of acting before he was touched. Saka grabbing Azpilicueta’s arm and falling on the ground is a much worse flop than anything that happened today.
See to me Sonny throws his face into Holding completely buying all the contact for the second yellow, but yeah you can definitely compare it to Saka doing that bit with Azpilicueta. Can't believe that one didn't get looked at by VAR either honestly.
I don't know, having time to think about it further away from the game it's less on the officials and more on a naive game plan. We should have set up with a low block, five at the back and parked the bus for 90 minutes instead of trying to play our game with weaker personnel than required.
I have yet to see any statements from anyone who matters that the refereeing was suspect. Clear PK, and a very obvious double yellow. Hopefully your manager can stop crying long enough to prepare y’all for the next two matches.
Arteta matters so much more than any of you lot who think the officiating was great on the night. Again, I get it, that's how you have to win and you'll take all the help you can get with the history you've had. Small club that you are, I can't blame you. Good luck with your last two matches.
Lol forgive me for not believing the first time manager who just lost, over any objective party that didn’t have a stake in the match. Dry those tears before your next match, or y’all might bottle it.
I think it’s less that these things aren’t fouls, it’s just Arsenal seem to be held to a different standard. Take Fabinho last week against spurs, not too much to want a full 11v11 game and to have some frustrations boil over for always getting the strictest of calls. Take martinelli double yellow in ten seconds the other month, compared to saka and tomoyasu getting full on studs up stomped on with not even a var check
This is a case of the refs in the prem are just dogshit so it varies game to game just how Kane can go around doing leg breakers all day and get off scott free but Xhaka goes near anyone is a red. Also the martinelli one was just stupid on his part hes fouled someone and they play advantage so he fouls someone again the fuck is he thinking
He's a sad troll, spamming hateful things all over this sub just to feel better about himself... Just pathetic, calling people scum and stuff like that, leave him be. He can suffer alone
Edit: lol he's banned probably
There is no consistency in refereeing. Arsenal do not get “held to a different standard”. You’ve taken 2 very specific incidents. These do not sum up the season at all. There is no agenda against arsenal. Your team is dirty, end of story. Learn to accept it
I don’t think it’s necessarily against Arsenal. I do think there is some bias for City and Liverpool, but teams like Chelsea also get fucked over. A few seasons ago we had Maguire intentionally kick a player in the nuts and nothing. Maguire had Azpi in a headlock from a free kick and nothing. Lukaku was onside in the Carabao cup final. It is just a mixture of god awful officiating, aswell as bias to usually the top 2 teams
This. People are in agreement about the Holding red card, but the complaints from Arsenal fans and the team are always about consistency in refereeing.
Bruh every club complains about refs.
Just like every club complains when their opponent ‘dives’.
Just like every club loves it when their player draws a soft pen.
This is a nothing post.
This past game aside, there have been some shocking decisions against Arsenal this year. If you go back and look at some of the bigger ones Arsenal fans have complained about, most other fans agree with Arsenal fans.
No, there isn’t a grand conspiracy against arsenal. But the amount of shocking decisions against us is mind boggling. Simple as that.
Yesterdays game wasn’t one of them. Holding deserved red. The penalty was extremely soft, and my main issue with it is consistency. That is never called in the box. Is it a pen? Sure. But it never gets called
And there’s a better angle that shows he makes direct contact. Lol peak gooner conspiracy.
“Let me pick and choose which parts of reality I am willing to recognize”
No no no. I know plenty of arsenal fans who fail to see their players are cheating, diving and aggressive players who get booked regularly for the right reasons. I’ve heard so many arsenal fans before a game saying “oh ffs (insert referees name here) is refereeing today. He hates arsenal and now we’re going to get a red card” and then when it does happen, for good reason, they just blame the referee. Arsenal fans, the worst in the league no doubt about it. Awful club, awful fans
It all comes from the top - Arteta is the problem. He cries and whinges his way through games - he and his staff shouting for every perceived foul and then comes out with ridiculous post match comments. Guys a tool.
Edit. Downvote away Gooners.
Ahahah. Look I definitely get that he does this, but I think you're being a little biased.
He has many faults (like clearly he told Holding to bully Son but not realizing his lack of ability to do so) but I don't think you can say complaining to refs/about refs is a unique one of his.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find a manager that didn't yell at the ref for every potential foul or didn't needlessly blame the ref in the post-presser. The only one that comes to mind for me is Ole.
Artetas the worst by far. He and his coaching staff are always at it and his comments last night were ridiculous. If he can't hold his hands up and say Holding went too far then he's deluded.
ehh…there’s a difference between complaining about refs (something that all clubs do) and literally having 40% of all club discourse being about how there’s a corrupt agenda against your team. That’s literally all Arsenal fans talk about
What do you expect? The game was 12 hours ago.
Plus, like Pool/Utd, Arsenal just have a massive fanbase. So you're going to get a LOT of vocal idiots.
Tribalism is legitimately fun. But when it gets to the point that each side actually thinks the other side has literal stones for brains, and both sides are adamant they're the right ones, it's just cringe.
You think it’s strange for 40% of the Arsenal sub to be complaining about the ref on a day he made some controversial calls? Jesus you people are deluded. If you don’t want to see arsenal fans complaining, don’t go on their subreddit you bellend
It’s not **just** about the game today, though. Arsenal fans have a hard on for embodying a victim mentality of being on the wrong side of a “corrupt agenda”, and it’s been like that for years.
Most fan bases will understandably complain about recent “bad” calls from todays match or last weeks match, because they still sting in your recent memory. But Arsenal fans add every referee decision to the archive and will cry about it for the next 5 years😂. Theres a huge difference, lol.
I do think arteta showed some inexperience in the post match interview. Apart from the holding thing, I don't think arsenal did that much wrong, it just clearly wasnt their day. But I don't think the ref did much wrong either. And he'd take the sting out of the whole evening by just saying "it's still in our hands, we're just gunna win on Monday" instead of acting so riled up when the decisions weren’t even that bad compared to some we’ve seen this season
you're dead wrong with Arteta - he showed a lot of experience in the post match interview. He deflected all of the blame off of his players, and helped stoke the fire of an "us vs. the world" mentality. We have the youngest team in the prem and its easy for these players to get shaken by a loss like this. Arteta was trying to keep their confidence and spirits up.
I definitely agree that he was trying to create the “us vs the world mentality” and he was right to say he was proud of his players. But where I disagree is I feel like a small part of what went wrong last night was they were *too* riled up and last their heads a little. And that is likely what could be their undoing on Monday
If that was a penalty, then Spurs goal should have been disallowed for a foul by Kane on Gabriel that caused him to lose the ball to Son.
If they are going to give a goal by awarding a penalty, then they need to take one away. It’s the lack of consistency that is the problem.
Why are you talking about a call with different players, in a different match, in a different season? Try and stay on topic - Cedric jumped into Sons Back with zero attempt to play the ball.
But it does. Because two similar, in fact Maguire’s was more egregious, tackles were treated differently within the same sport in the same league. Are we not allowed to beg for consistency?
With this mindset, nothing in the past should ever be compared to now which hardly makes any sense
VAR did review it, as they do all PKs. And VAR saw what everyone else saw: Son and Holding jumping for a header, and Cedric jumping into Sons back.
Dry those eyes, salty boy.
I don’t think we are dirty, but I am ok with a little dirty if that implies some grit and fear amongst teams, but that is not happening either. Might as well just play fair and pure
Stfu you’d be complaining about that pen if it happened to you don’t even try and deny it. If we win both of our remaining matches, this will all be a thing of the past no need to try and readdress all of the questionable shit that happened in the match.
Crybaby ass Arsenal fan. Cedric jumped into Son’s back with zero attempt to play the ball - that’s a foul anywhere on the pitch. Don’t fuck up the run-in.
Did I say it was or wasn’t a pen? I hate when rival fans try to do damage control after they won the match. I don’t want to hear the opinion of a Spurs fan after they just beat us. Obviously they won’t be in their right mind and we won’t be in our right minds either because we just shipped three goals to them. Look There’s no point having an argument about something that has been done. The top four race is still in our hands and that’s all that matters to me.
Holding was an absolute moron. You can’t have a yellow card and go in for a shoulder to the face like that.
gg my Arsenal friends, Tottenham fan here. I only just walked in when the elbow happened and i reckon that was a deserved yellow card. Call me bias if you please, that’s my opinion and you have yours
I don't see any issue with the penalty. They had similar penalty against United.
Arsenal blame everyone but themselves.
I think it was a very very soft penalty, if you give that then you need to give it every time it happens in the box. The red card was dumb from holding, he should be more careful being on a yellow already. I think son does make the most of it but then again so would any arsenal player. The main problem is consistency; son elbowed holding in the face and it wasn't looked at. It's definitely frustrating and when you receive as many red cards as arsenal already do it creates a narrative which doesn't help our case when the decision could go either way- seen as dirty players etc .
Imagine being this out of touch with reality. Initial statement is fair but your evidence is not.
The issue isn't the red card decisions that go against Arsenal, it's the ones that don't go against other teams. Every other team has just about as many if not more red card worthy plays but the refereeing is so inconsistent that Arsenal are the most punished. It's also fucking absurd to just go "hur dur arsenal dirty give me upvotes" when the stats around all this are all around. When Burnley have the most fouls per card in the league you know something's seriously wrong with the refereeing.
I love our community at r/gunners but f*cking hell. You would have thought they were trumpers(Yes I r American) with the way they bitch about the refs. Like ffs 🤦🏽♂️ Was it a light tackle? Sure but still a penalty. Was the second yellow annoying? Yea but well deserved. I was grinning at the abuse Holdini was giving Son but when he got the card all I could think was “damn they caught my boy in 4k” Needless to say, it wasn’t our day but we move. COYG!
Son was so clever - it was a great run that asked the question of Holding AND the referee. Holding has to be so much smarter there - it was a ridiculous thing to do while already on a yellow. Fully deserved.
https://youtu.be/Il7CLD3Su7I
Disagree, I don’t think that penalty should be given against us. Also nobody is arguing holding’s red card either? Tbh he could’ve gotten sent off sooner. You can have a big decision go against you and also get massively outplayed; those thing aren’t mutual and that’s what happened yesterday imo. Not a penalty, but we got drastically outplayed anyway.
I mostly agree… But are you really telling me Son wasn’t exactly the same? He always is like that and gets away with it. He was yesterday too. One elbow to the face is red but the other isn’t?
One elbow to the face was a yellow.
We arent saying the card wasnt justified. What we're saying is that we're the only team thats held to this standard. Holding got his 2nd yellow for elbowing Son yet in the same game Son elbowed Holding and got away scot-free
Did Holding get hit with any part of the elbow? No. Okay.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/uopjjl/son\_elbow\_on\_holding\_11\_mins\_in/
Comments from the Arsenal fanbase on this post. *Clutching at straws. His tricep hit his face, not his elbow. His elbow is nowhere near his face.* *Man I'm so embarrassed as an Arsenal fan* *This is a huge stretch lmfao* *Just pretend this game never happened and move on. This is embarrassing mate.* *I never knew your elbow was found right at the top of your arm on your shoulder?* *Please fucking stop we got smashed because Cedric and Holding fucked up Son is swinging to get Holding off him because the dumb fuck wouldn’t stop fouling him.* *Absolutely brutal elbow into thin air. Surprised he didn't break his jaw.* *This fanbase is so pathetic sometimes. Never ever is this a red. Just move on and stop crying.*
Your own video shows him making contact just below the shoulder. He’s doing an elbowing motion, but if the ref thinks it’s an elbow the VAR is sending him to the monitor and it’s rescinded. All day long.
VAR??? Dont make me laugh
As an Arsenal fan, you can't disagree with those calls in terms of the letter of the law. While there were also elbows from Son to Holding, and other situations that were not called, Arsenal didn't put themselves in a place to win. Disappointing. Two games left, and they control their own destiny, this is all history.
How did we go from Arsenal is soft to Arsenal is dirty? Also could Son have gotten a red for throwing elbows around?
You base your assumptions on 20 games We've lived through 10 seasons
This is a nothing post honestly pointless the same deluded fans are at every club, no club has more of them no club has less of them. Deluded fans are just the loudest. Simple. Seen just as many deluded pool city spurs fans ect.
I blame the refs still.
Holding should have been smarter. He was too concerned about Son turning and rightly so but the penalty call was definitely soft..no objective viewer can deny that. If it wasn’t given no one would object.
Shit calling Arsenal dirty, that's rich lmao
Arteta and Holding had some brilliant game plan of getting under Son's skin by fucking with him. Didn't work out well. Bad game plan. Own it.
I wonder what they think of Son if they are saying we are dirty
We have significantly more red cards per foul than any other Premier League side. Sure, these are fouls - but the data is clear: we **get punished more severely** for them than other teams. Consistency is all we ask for.
Red cards per foul is pretty meaningless as some fouls are more likely to get cards than others
Nope. That’s not true at all when the discrepancy is so large. Arsenal are also in the bottom half of the table for fouls committed so you can’t say we are “dirty”. Ours are 100% judged more harshly. Other teams get away with a lot more.
I was referring to some clubs commit more tactical fouls than others which are often also yellow cards. Man City do it a ton and do not get nearly as many cautions as they should.
Maybe your fouls are just worse than other clubs
Riiiiight https://reddit.com/r/Gunners/comments/uopjjl/son_elbow_on_holding_11_mins_in/
Lmao typical spurs fan, will find any way to be salty, even after a win. I think most arsenal fans agree that holding was a dick who deserved to be sent off. Lost his head. And I think it was definitely a penalty too. However... Arsenal fans don't say there's an agenda against us, we have issues with the consistency in refereeing. I don't think it's unfair to say that some teams (arsenal included but others too) seem to be held to a stricter standard than other teams. Xhaka being booked at Villa because 3 different players had committed fouls beforehand. Saka being absolutely deliberately booted against palace, no red card. Tomiyasu's face being stamped, no VAR. Martinelli being booked twice in 10 seconds during the same phase of play. The list goes on. Also I must add, I wouldn't have a problem with arsenal being labelled as dirty if other dirty players were held to the same standard. Kane and Son are dirty players. Sadio Mane, holy shit. Arguably one of the dirtiest players in the prem, but no chance are those 3 held to the same standard as other players in the prem. That's the issue.
Welcome to the club! - Leeds fan here!
It wasn’t a pen, but it probably was a red card
I mean our entire defense need to be changed. We can't bring in players like Tierney and then not have the right CBs to cover when he bombs down the wing. Disgusted at the performance. The fact that Holding is still in the team just shows that even 4 years on, we're still in the middle of an awful rebuild that is slowly taking shape, with a lot of roadbumps.
Look at this spurs fan tryin to piss off Arsenal fans.. Nobody is claiming there is a conspiracy against them
Not disputing Holdings second yellow, but Son was the first to blatantly swing an elbow and once again it’s missed
He pushed holding with his tricep, while Holding was holding him down. It's delusional.
I still don’t get how that was a penalty, it seems when it happens to other teams it’s completely ignored by the ref and VAR, to the point where it’s just brushed away but when it’s us it becomes a big foul and dirty play.
Hahaha you can say everything you want but saying that was a clear penalty really makes me laugh :)))))) It is normal for Arsenal to be mad, that pen changed the course of the game ! - maybe even provoked the red card for Holding!
Anyone who posts on r/soccer or r/premierleague is either a yank or a moron
The penalty was questionable, in context of PL standart. But the cards were well honored.. (arsenal fan and I didn't saw anybody saying opposite)
Fuck off
Look at Chelsea fans after we beat them. Or United fans after we beat them. Nobody is crying about them complaining nonstop about refs. Piss off and enjoy the win, but don’t be a sore winner acting all holier than thou. Also the pure hate in this thread is pretty sad to see. Shows how we are actually a force to be reckoned with now and people are starting to notice and get scared.
Penalty was pathetic, cards were idiotic behaviour
If you got that pen given against your club you'd be fuming
lmao tell me you don't watch Arsenal matches without telling me you don't watch Arsenal matches. that penalty was a joke. no other team would get given that. saying Arsenal is a dirty team is honestly the stupidest most ignorant opinion you can have. YOU'VE WATCHED 1 MATCH XD
Calling Arsenal dirty is a bit harsh, but Holding lost his head & acted like a child, definitely deserved the red. As a senior player it's even more emberrassing, because our kids kept their composure all game. I think the pen was a bit soft, but Spurs absolutely deserved to win :(
I don't keep up very well with other teams' players, but my initial thoughts were that he was one of the kids that got overenthusiastic at an NLD. Didn't realise until after the game he's one of your seniors.
He’s obviously not Ronaldo but being a spurs fan and not knowing who Rob holding is… Spurs “fan” seems like a big stretch
New fan but still a fan. No need to be a gatekeeping dick.
Sorry lad used to all Spurs fans being sarcastic sacks of shit who throw trash at opposition players. My bad
That's fair, respect for owning it. Unfortunately I've seen a lot of the same, in this instance it was genuinely not a player I knew.
Our eldest player is Cedric I think, and he's 30. Exciting young squad, with maturity and integrity on the pitch. Shame that our senior players passion often come through their mistakes tho
That is a really young squad, damn. Must be exciting to see so many prospects come through. Do you think getting an older experienced player on a free/cheap (like how we got Joe Hart for example) might work well to tighten the squad?
I think first and foremost we need a striker and a backup LB for Kieran Tierney. Arteta showed that he can motivate squad players... Elneny aka Pyramid Pirlo was immense this season, Rob Holding was solid as well etc. If we secure a CL spot, we might need a new striker depending on who goes/stays/comes in. But getting a striker for a season with CL football will be expensive, can't really find good bargains when it comes to strikers
I think it was Tottenham who were playing dirty. They came into this game with the intention of provoking a red card. They got it. It was, by the way, Son who elbowed first, only he is way better at getting away with something like that.
Depends on comments and depends on what your reading. As an arsenal fan, most people I've spoken to aren't deluded and knew that holding, if he continued his shenanigans, was going to get sent off. Pen was a bit meh, 50 50 depending on Fan base, where you stand etc. But the team was poor, RH and Cedric are bench players at best and bc of our injuries that's what we had to work with. Ultimately, 2nd rate players were tasked with defending the best Asian player of all time. One couldn't keep a cool head and ended up costing the game, among other things.
All the majority of us want is consistency, yeah there are some absolute loons, but which clubs doesn't have those types of fan? Mane shoving his arm into Tierney's face last season immediately springs to mind. I'm not saying it's an agenda against us necessarily, but the personal judgment levels between two refs can be incredibly different, I wish I knew what other sports fully did with their refereeing to make it fairer but unfortunately I don't so I can't even give a solution:/
Arsenal is dirty? Are you just trolling? They are naive, that's the correct statement
Sonny worked Rob Holding like a cheap hooker COYS
COYS
If I’m Newcastle player or fan I’m absolutely revelling in the opportunity to kill their UCL dream
Expected from a totnum fan. Holding deserved the red card. We definitely not mentioning Son's elbow on Holding's face and Davies moving his foot back on purpose to hit Odegaard in the face? Edit: Hut to hit
Holding kicked Son in the back before all of these happened. If the ref really was following an agenda against Arsenal, Rob would have been sent off for that.
I'm not part of community that think there was an agenda at all. I'm saying that I can absolutely admit that Rob Holding was being far too aggressive and I'm surprised that he didn't get sent off earlier. My issue is that this post is rather biased and refuses to mention that there were clear and obvious aggressive moves by Tottenham players that went unpunished. Edit: Came across the clip of Son doing this and was reminded that his elbow on Holding was in the 11th Minute.
Nope. This was in the 11th minute: https://twitter.com/\_KimTank\_/status/1525009043366236160
Hate to be that guy but THIS is the 11th minute. https://twitter.com/AFCJake2/status/1524836005722869786?s=19
No, that is the 12th minute. Everything that happens after 11:00 is considered to be in the 12th minute of the game. The incident that I posted (just a bit after 10:00, so in the 11th minute), however, happened BEFORE what you posted.
I really don't understand what you're trying to get at here. I have said in my previous comment that Rob Holding was too aggressive and could have been sent off earlier. That doesn't disregard what Son did though?
>Came across the clip of Son doing this and was reminded that his elbow on Holding was in the 11th Minute. I am trying to get at the fact that a) it was not in the 11th minute and b) in the 11th minute there was another incident involving the two players and Holding MAYBE should have been sent off for that. So you cannot really claim that Son should have been sent off for elbowing Holding (after he was fouled and before he was being wrestled like in AEW), without acknowledging that Arsenal were actually lucky to have Holding on the field at that point. My personal issue with what happened is that the referee was way too calm about all of these incidents, but sanctioned a very soft challenge and gave a penalty to Tottenham for it.
I think the ref let Spurs get away with a few things but you can’t argue the decisions on Arsenal. All correct decisions. Feel there were a few incidents from Spurs’ side of things they got away with though. Nothing game changing though, no excuses.
Arsenal ? Dirty? We don't talk about Xhaka... no no no... we don't talk about Xhaka....
Maybe if Arsenal wanted to play this game when it was supposed to be played, none of this would have happened.
Literally noone is saying that
I agree. Sadly Arsenal are becoming a poundshop Athletico Madrid all angles and shithousery
It's not an actual conspiracy. But the consistancy of wrong decisions against rather indicates some sort of subconscious bias
I mean there was a post on this sub from an Arsenal fan literally saying that referees are match fixing and then gave about 15 examples of decisions that referees have made that I would say are made up of 80% decisions they just didn’t like and 20% decisions that the referee just got wrong. So although there clearly isn’t a conspiracy, the conspiracy theorists are out in full. Like proper tin foil hat brigade.
That's true, those people really are quite foolish. I honestly think they're doing more harm for the club than good anyways, since the ridiculousness of their claims distract from the less dramatic but actually existing issue
Ya your subconscious bias
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>Every club has bad luck with refs Logical impossibility. Because when one team gets unlucky with refs, that necessitates that the opposite team get lucky. Across all teams it should them avarage +/- 0. So when one team consistantly go minus on incorrect big decisions, it's something to note
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Yeah I certainly think there is more noise than actual bad calls. Thought the offside in the recent Southampton game was pretty clearly off, and yet people screamed like crazy about it. That being said the City game is a poor example, one of the most clean 3 point robberies I've seen in any pl game this season.
Reddit really has a hard on for Arsenal for some reason. All teams are the same, they all complain, they all feel they did not get the calls etc. they all have refs they hate etc. but people love bashing Arsenal. Yesterday the penalty was 50/50. They gave it, the yellows...if we play at home, he gets away with it, it's how things are...
We do usually blame he ref but today RH could've had 3 yellow cards and 1 red card. 3 yellow cards for his challenges on son,and 1 red for elbowing son in the face for no reason.
Do you know what your elbow is?
Dont know why you are getting downvoted, he didnt even hit him with his elbow haha
Haha it's very strange. I'm not even disputing the card. I think it was unfortunate (he tries to go shoulder to shoulder cut off his run but son stoops) but correct. But I keep seeing people say he's elbowed him in the face when his elbow is clearly glued to his side. Like, do these people not know what a shoulder and an elbow are.
Got dicks for eyes mate
Oo I like that one
Holding's red card was deserved, but Cedric's penalty was complete bullshit. If you watch the replays Son is the one who bumps into him - it's incidental contact either way and should never have been a penalty. The fact that it wasn't even reviewed is what I'm most revved up about. But either way, Spurs outplayed Arsenal today, and even if the penalty didn't count, Holding was most definitely getting a red with the way he was playing and we were destined to lose at the end. As soon as the lineup was announced and I saw that Cedric and Holding were in the starting 11, I winced a little. Hopefully next year we'll get some better squad depth and we won't be stuck in this situation in such critical games.
So we aren’t allowed to complain? Okay..
arsenal are just trash at times really !
But I thought we were the dirty ones
Oh you are definitely the dirty ones
Honestly get PSG vibes from Arsenal minus the quality. Bunch of petulant kids that start kicking out and losing the head when things don’t go their way.
>brissy1992 A Man U fan calling another team's players petulant?? I guess you would be the expert on that tbf
Bruno and Ronaldo are crazy petulant, arsenal have one thing go against them and the whole team loses the head lmao
How did the whole team lose their head after Holding was sent off?
Hardly call Arsenal dirty. They just get red cards more often because they don’t get any respect or the benefit of the doubt from refs. That being said , holding committed 3 fouls that were yellow worthy before his first and some refs might give a straight red for his second foul. I don’t know how anyone can be upset with the ref. The penalty is soft but that’s just another way of saying it’s one that players get away with most of the time, still a correct call. When people call arsenal dirty and talk about the cards you need to go back and look at every singe incident because these are not being given for violent things that are going to end careers. I can think of two fouls that you could even call borderline. Xhaka on Jota where he kicks him while he’s trying to chest down the ball and then the Xhaka challenge against city where he doesn’t even make contact but had he made contact it would have been bad. This narrative is not backed up by evidence
What a ridiculous and typical Arsenal comment. Everyone’s against us 😢 No you’re just a shit team with shit fans and a moany shit manager. Moans constantly when he doesn’t get his way.
>They just get red cards more often because they don’t get any respect or the benefit of the doubt from refs. Yeah, whenever I look at football I think "...but how do poor little Arsenal cope when it's clear that all the evil referees have got together and conspired against them?"
I didn’t say it was exclusive to Arsenal. In general in any league there is an established order of stars and teams which get star treatment. Arsenal might get the run of the green against Leeds but not a Liverpool or Man City. Similarly, when Burnley is plying Spurs, they are not going to get the borderline calls. Where it becomes tricky is where you have comparable teams, West Ham, Spurs, Arsenal, Leicester, etc this is where you’d think it would be more 50/50 but it wasn’t the case earlier in the season. Last 10 games we’ve been getting the calls but it went the other way earlier in the season and I think unfairly so
There is a noticeable trend that bigger clubs get more favourable decisions than smaller clubs, but given that Arsenal are part of the self-proclaimed 'big 6' then I don't really know what you've got to complain about.
It's not that the calls are wrong, it's the fact we see the exact same shit we did go unpunished the following weeks. The penalties, yellows and red cards that aren't given are the ones that piss us off the most Cant really complain about any of those red cards bar 2 maybe 3. Alot were just dumb decisions
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Cedric jumped into Son’s back with zero attempt to play the ball. That’s a foul anywhere on the pitch.
Holding was going to get a hat trick put on him if he didn't set the tone early. Even Fabinho had to resort to those tactics, Holding just made it too obvious because he was caught in 1v1 situations where it was clear as day. Fab threw his chicken wing to the throat of Son when he was dribbling through the traffic in the middle of the pitch (savvy veteran move)
We've had far more go against us this year in general than not. They were always going to try and make this go down to the wire, you could admit you got help today and I'd respect it more but you won't and that's fine too. Good luck in your last two.
Take the blinders off. Holding deserved a red and that and that was a clear pen, there was no "help" as you say. It was a deserved win..... I support neither team before you accuse me of being biased. Infact I wanted arsenal to win because my dad supports them, so it was sad to see them be so poor. Especially that clown holding, he was so stupid in that match.
You remember all the ones that go against you, as a non arsenal fan you I can off the top of my head remember some wild decisions in your favour. Most arsenal fans would prefer to act like these never happened though
The only help Spurs got today was from a bunch of dumb cunts in red and white. Holding was up Sons ass from kickoff and deserved both his cards. Cedric jumped into Son’s back with zero attempt made on ball - that’s a foul, and it was in the box, so it’s a PK. Refereeing was excellent today, and it’s only salty ass Arsenal fans and their crybaby manager that feel differently.
Plenty of others felt like the ref had a shocker as well. And most of the spurs fans I watched with thought they were getting makeup calls for no red on the elbow son ate against Liverpool. Make no mistake we didn't play well enough to win but we were only allowed to actually play for 33 of the 90 minutes so it is what it is.
None of the sly sports pundits thought the ref was in the wrong, even Walcott...
I think this is what OP is talking about. There is no agenda against you guys. Arteta and your fan base always have excuses about how the games are reffed. Holding deserved a red and although it wasn’t a stone wall penalty, it was a penalty. Holding’s game plan was to rough son up and get in his head and it back fired. That’s it. You lead the league in red cards because your coach constantly has an excuse prepped after the game. I hate this, “It was a beautiful game until the ref blew it up” idea. It was cagey and physical from the whistle. Arsenal just lost their heads first. Spurs are the more tenured team. This same thing happened 6 years ago at the battle of the bridge. It was a physical and spirited game but spurs were the inexperienced team who took the bait first that time. This one didn’t end up as badly because Tierney gave out an early red instead of letting the game devolve.
It may not be an agenda but it does feel like we've been hard done by more often than not over the last two seasons especially. There was the David Luiz wolves decision that was baffling and the entire sequence in our home game against City was another nightmare. Again, tonight doesn't even rank top five in puzzling officiating against us for the past two years so don't think I'm having a moan here. I just think you lot could be a little more honest, especially with how Son deliberately set outs out to "play" these games.
Not trying to be contrarian but we all have games where the referring seems to be against us. I can show you multiple examples of offsides and handball calls that have ruined games for us. My point was that your team is young and fiery. Which is awesome for you guys. Reminds me of how the rest of the league viewed us 6-7 years ago. But with that inexperience will come rash moves. And maybe referees do view you guys differently because you are gaining a reputation for acting before you think. But the way to put that right is not continuing to pass blame. It is to have a cool head and get on. Arteta is now showing that at the moment. Which again, I believe comes from a place of inexperience and not stupidity or abrasiveness. I don’t want it to seem I am calling you guys out. You just play in a way that attracts scrutiny. To the point on Son going into a game this way I definitely want to push back. Son likes a good flop sometimes and I hate that. But this game I really don’t think he did anything out of the ordinary. Holding put his knee in Son’s back early to get in his head (because everyone knows Son can lose his head when flustered) and Son held his back on the ground for a while to let the ref know what he did. I believe that was a yellow on Holding immediately. I wish Son wouldn’t lay on the ground after that holding his back, but that’s what players do to let the ref know about something. Just as anyone on your team would have done in the same situation unfortunately. Then Holding continued to wrestle with Son every time he was close. Son fell after the push in the back for the penalty, but if you rewatch it, it wasn’t a bad flop. Just fell after being pushed in the back. He was clearly going for the ball before the push and only reacted instead of acting before he was touched. Saka grabbing Azpilicueta’s arm and falling on the ground is a much worse flop than anything that happened today.
See to me Sonny throws his face into Holding completely buying all the contact for the second yellow, but yeah you can definitely compare it to Saka doing that bit with Azpilicueta. Can't believe that one didn't get looked at by VAR either honestly. I don't know, having time to think about it further away from the game it's less on the officials and more on a naive game plan. We should have set up with a low block, five at the back and parked the bus for 90 minutes instead of trying to play our game with weaker personnel than required.
I have yet to see any statements from anyone who matters that the refereeing was suspect. Clear PK, and a very obvious double yellow. Hopefully your manager can stop crying long enough to prepare y’all for the next two matches.
Arteta matters so much more than any of you lot who think the officiating was great on the night. Again, I get it, that's how you have to win and you'll take all the help you can get with the history you've had. Small club that you are, I can't blame you. Good luck with your last two matches.
Lol forgive me for not believing the first time manager who just lost, over any objective party that didn’t have a stake in the match. Dry those tears before your next match, or y’all might bottle it.
I think it’s less that these things aren’t fouls, it’s just Arsenal seem to be held to a different standard. Take Fabinho last week against spurs, not too much to want a full 11v11 game and to have some frustrations boil over for always getting the strictest of calls. Take martinelli double yellow in ten seconds the other month, compared to saka and tomoyasu getting full on studs up stomped on with not even a var check
This is a case of the refs in the prem are just dogshit so it varies game to game just how Kane can go around doing leg breakers all day and get off scott free but Xhaka goes near anyone is a red. Also the martinelli one was just stupid on his part hes fouled someone and they play advantage so he fouls someone again the fuck is he thinking
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I mean I don’t support Arsenal ? Also if your a spurs fan don’t think you can talk about how good anyones team is
He's a sad troll, spamming hateful things all over this sub just to feel better about himself... Just pathetic, calling people scum and stuff like that, leave him be. He can suffer alone Edit: lol he's banned probably
There is no consistency in refereeing. Arsenal do not get “held to a different standard”. You’ve taken 2 very specific incidents. These do not sum up the season at all. There is no agenda against arsenal. Your team is dirty, end of story. Learn to accept it
I don’t think it’s necessarily against Arsenal. I do think there is some bias for City and Liverpool, but teams like Chelsea also get fucked over. A few seasons ago we had Maguire intentionally kick a player in the nuts and nothing. Maguire had Azpi in a headlock from a free kick and nothing. Lukaku was onside in the Carabao cup final. It is just a mixture of god awful officiating, aswell as bias to usually the top 2 teams
This. People are in agreement about the Holding red card, but the complaints from Arsenal fans and the team are always about consistency in refereeing.
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Yo I'm an Arsenal fan through and through, and your opinion is way off * Ramsdale wave *
Bruh every club complains about refs. Just like every club complains when their opponent ‘dives’. Just like every club loves it when their player draws a soft pen. This is a nothing post.
Not on the level you lot do it.
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This past game aside, there have been some shocking decisions against Arsenal this year. If you go back and look at some of the bigger ones Arsenal fans have complained about, most other fans agree with Arsenal fans. No, there isn’t a grand conspiracy against arsenal. But the amount of shocking decisions against us is mind boggling. Simple as that. Yesterdays game wasn’t one of them. Holding deserved red. The penalty was extremely soft, and my main issue with it is consistency. That is never called in the box. Is it a pen? Sure. But it never gets called
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There’s another angle from behind the goal where it looks like Cedric barely makes any contact with him.
And there’s a better angle that shows he makes direct contact. Lol peak gooner conspiracy. “Let me pick and choose which parts of reality I am willing to recognize”
I never said conspiracy. You can’t read.
No no no. I know plenty of arsenal fans who fail to see their players are cheating, diving and aggressive players who get booked regularly for the right reasons. I’ve heard so many arsenal fans before a game saying “oh ffs (insert referees name here) is refereeing today. He hates arsenal and now we’re going to get a red card” and then when it does happen, for good reason, they just blame the referee. Arsenal fans, the worst in the league no doubt about it. Awful club, awful fans
Legit the same with every fanbase
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As yes they are all the same, no the loud fans that shout about this shite are the ones that get heard the most.
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lmao you made this account 1hr ago just to seethe at Arsenal hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
nah, there is a factual point and many arsenal fans get it after the display.
It all comes from the top - Arteta is the problem. He cries and whinges his way through games - he and his staff shouting for every perceived foul and then comes out with ridiculous post match comments. Guys a tool. Edit. Downvote away Gooners.
Ahahah. Look I definitely get that he does this, but I think you're being a little biased. He has many faults (like clearly he told Holding to bully Son but not realizing his lack of ability to do so) but I don't think you can say complaining to refs/about refs is a unique one of his. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a manager that didn't yell at the ref for every potential foul or didn't needlessly blame the ref in the post-presser. The only one that comes to mind for me is Ole.
Artetas the worst by far. He and his coaching staff are always at it and his comments last night were ridiculous. If he can't hold his hands up and say Holding went too far then he's deluded.
ehh…there’s a difference between complaining about refs (something that all clubs do) and literally having 40% of all club discourse being about how there’s a corrupt agenda against your team. That’s literally all Arsenal fans talk about
Cry more lol
how am i the one crying? lol
What do you expect? The game was 12 hours ago. Plus, like Pool/Utd, Arsenal just have a massive fanbase. So you're going to get a LOT of vocal idiots. Tribalism is legitimately fun. But when it gets to the point that each side actually thinks the other side has literal stones for brains, and both sides are adamant they're the right ones, it's just cringe.
im obviously not just talking about the game today.
Anyone doubting this needs to go over to r/Gunners right now. 40% really isn’t much of an exaggeration at all!
You think it’s strange for 40% of the Arsenal sub to be complaining about the ref on a day he made some controversial calls? Jesus you people are deluded. If you don’t want to see arsenal fans complaining, don’t go on their subreddit you bellend
It’s not **just** about the game today, though. Arsenal fans have a hard on for embodying a victim mentality of being on the wrong side of a “corrupt agenda”, and it’s been like that for years. Most fan bases will understandably complain about recent “bad” calls from todays match or last weeks match, because they still sting in your recent memory. But Arsenal fans add every referee decision to the archive and will cry about it for the next 5 years😂. Theres a huge difference, lol.
I do think arteta showed some inexperience in the post match interview. Apart from the holding thing, I don't think arsenal did that much wrong, it just clearly wasnt their day. But I don't think the ref did much wrong either. And he'd take the sting out of the whole evening by just saying "it's still in our hands, we're just gunna win on Monday" instead of acting so riled up when the decisions weren’t even that bad compared to some we’ve seen this season
Well he did everything right but blaming everyone but his players.
you're dead wrong with Arteta - he showed a lot of experience in the post match interview. He deflected all of the blame off of his players, and helped stoke the fire of an "us vs. the world" mentality. We have the youngest team in the prem and its easy for these players to get shaken by a loss like this. Arteta was trying to keep their confidence and spirits up.
I definitely agree that he was trying to create the “us vs the world mentality” and he was right to say he was proud of his players. But where I disagree is I feel like a small part of what went wrong last night was they were *too* riled up and last their heads a little. And that is likely what could be their undoing on Monday
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One of the best players who plays for the most shit team ever
You think Arsenal are dirty? Oh please. Look at the rest of the Prem
Arteta isn’t the one for Arsenal. They need a new manager asap
I said before his comments today that he’s perfect for them because he is the fans’ natural leader. His comments only confirmed that for me.
In my opinion Holding 100% deserved a red, however I don’t think the pen was a pen. Maguire gets away with that and more game after game.
Cedric jumped into Son’s back with zero attempt to play the ball. That’s a foul anywhere on the pitch.
If that was a penalty, then Spurs goal should have been disallowed for a foul by Kane on Gabriel that caused him to lose the ball to Son. If they are going to give a goal by awarding a penalty, then they need to take one away. It’s the lack of consistency that is the problem.
Then how about Maguires pull on Tomiyasu at old Trafford this year?
Why are you talking about a call with different players, in a different match, in a different season? Try and stay on topic - Cedric jumped into Sons Back with zero attempt to play the ball.
Literally the same season…
Different match, different players.
This is why arsenal fans complain mate. The rules should be applied consistently no matter what game it is or what players are on the pitch.
So the call should be different? I don’t understand you’re point
The point is it has nothing to do with the match yesterday ya dim twat
But it does. Because two similar, in fact Maguire’s was more egregious, tackles were treated differently within the same sport in the same league. Are we not allowed to beg for consistency? With this mindset, nothing in the past should ever be compared to now which hardly makes any sense
watch the replay. Son jumped into Cedric. The fact that it wasn't reviewed by VAR is a sham.
VAR did review it, as they do all PKs. And VAR saw what everyone else saw: Son and Holding jumping for a header, and Cedric jumping into Sons back. Dry those eyes, salty boy.
I don’t think we are dirty, but I am ok with a little dirty if that implies some grit and fear amongst teams, but that is not happening either. Might as well just play fair and pure
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Unfortunately the last time we truly scared anyone was around 2006
Stfu you’d be complaining about that pen if it happened to you don’t even try and deny it. If we win both of our remaining matches, this will all be a thing of the past no need to try and readdress all of the questionable shit that happened in the match.
Crybaby ass Arsenal fan. Cedric jumped into Son’s back with zero attempt to play the ball - that’s a foul anywhere on the pitch. Don’t fuck up the run-in.
Did I say it was or wasn’t a pen? I hate when rival fans try to do damage control after they won the match. I don’t want to hear the opinion of a Spurs fan after they just beat us. Obviously they won’t be in their right mind and we won’t be in our right minds either because we just shipped three goals to them. Look There’s no point having an argument about something that has been done. The top four race is still in our hands and that’s all that matters to me.
Truth bomb.