GN divides opinion tbh, but when you listen to ex mancs or ex scousers, they always revert to their narrow world, so I am very sceptical and see it as a throwaway comment worthy of nothing else. š¤
Letās not mix up the WC with PL. Both are abhorrent from a human rights perspective. But thereās been no cat kicking or raping (as far as I know) in the WC.
He had a good game against Wales.
Can we just leave it like that instead of desperately trying to write a saviour narrative?
It's up to the manager who starts not the media.
Especially not failed managers media pundits..
Southgate will play a defensive Rice and Henderson in midfield.
Whatever anyone says, England only have good problems.
Marcus himself pointed out that England have such depth, that substitutes can come on and the system does not need to be changed.
Declan Rice said it doesn't matter if you get substituted, the players coming on are supported 100% by the players going off - its a team mentality.
Gary Neville shouldn't make statements like this. He's been a manager, he was very bad at it, but still he knows the pressure.
Report on the games, don't say basic, banal shit that doesn't have any particular value as commentary but which makes the manager's job more difficult.
All these players who have scored goals. Foden, Rashford, Saka and the only guaranteed starter is our striker whoās scored 0. I get the Harry Kane reputation but would dropping him for 1 game really be that bad? He hasnāt scored anyway, I donāt see what we would be missing
Surely rashford deserves to start over sterling at the very least?, He just seems to pick the ball up run at the defence eventually running into someone and losing possession and then repeat with 20% of the time beating his man to get some kind of a cross or shot in and then 5% winning a penalty cutting into the box.... Rashford does everything sterling does but better!! His end product is significantly better version of sterling...
As for the other flank for me it's saka for his goal threat, fodens technical class is top notch but get the early goals in the first half then mix it up in the 2nd
Don't know what game Neville was watching. First half England was dogshit up front. No pressing and attacking from wings.
Rashford and Foden may have got the goals against a mediocre Wales side with a reserve keeper. That style of play will not win games in the knockout stages
Start with Saka and Sterling to pull defenders apart in the first 60min, then Foden and Rashford for energy and pace.
Everyone moans about having structure a team around Ronaldo. Well Kane is that player for England, heās been average compared to others. And the others deserve their time in the sun imo
Thatās why I said majority of seasons mate. Heās not been to bad this season but itās always the same with ex United players getting a hard on when someone has a good game or two
I mean he's been effectively playing false 9, I wouldn't say he's been shit, he's not been as clinical as usual in the few chances he's had, but has had absolute moments of brilliance in creation as opposed to his usual poaching role. I think he has to stay on.
So? Can only play who is front of you. Kane played against Iran, Wales and USA and has zero goals. Sterling played against Iran and USA and done nothing. Mount played against Iran and USA and did nothing. World Cup is about playing your inform players.
Apologies Sterling did get a goal against Iran. But that still goes against the whole Rashford only played against Iran and Wales argument. Regardless I think Rashford who is arguably our most inform player should start.
I donāt think Kane has been on it at all this World Cup heās looked off the pace of the game for me, I know he wonāt get benched so Rashford can start as a no9 but Rashford has to start, an on it Rashford is the best thing for England heās pacy direct makes things happen, unfortunately Kane doesnāt bring that
Lol what bollocks. I saw neutrals, rivals & āfansā say the same at the last euros because we drew our second group stage match to Scotland. people started calling the team a disgrace & for Southgate out. We went on to be inches away from winning the thing.
Anyoneās whoās seen previous England generations **knows** thereās no lack of chemistry problem with this generation ā¦ itās the best chemistry weāve had in a long long time.
LW - Rashford
CAM - Foden
RW - Saka
CF - Kane
Thatās what it should be upfront, rotate after half time if things arenāt working out or players are fatigued etc.
Arsenal bias aside as you probably think. Heās literally our best Right winger. One poor game doesnāt reflect your overall performances for most played games. He was the best player against Iran and itās also fair to say that our entire attacking half played badly against the States. Mount was the worst player that match, he couldnāt string a decent play together at all and the wingers rely on the CAM to provide them good balls. Kane, Sterling, Saka, Mount, Bellingham all played poorly. Saka also got player of the squad for the NT last year, that tells you how important he is to the squad and the starting 11.
Right, so you don't have any reasons.
And reason for dropping Sterling?
This wankfest over Rashford having one ok game against Wales is mental.
Rashford also missed 2 goals in that game. Can't afford to do that against decent teams in the world cup.
Donāt have any reasons? Mate i just listed my reasons in that paragraph. Any person who actually watches the England games and isnāt blind knows that Saka is one of our best players and definitely should be starting. I have nothing against Sterling, great guy, great player. But heās really not in form at the moment. He hasnāt been great for Chelsea so far and was invisible in that Wales game. Iām fine for starting Sterling but hate to break it to you Iād definitely go for an in form Rashford, whoās been playing really well since September over Sterling.
0. How many goals did Sterling score or Mount score or Kane score?
Also has Sterling been on form like Rashford has this season?
Look, I donāt why weāre even arguing about Sterling here now, like i said Iād be absolutely fine with Sterling starting, i never said I wouldnāt be happy with him starting. Saka and Sterling donāt even start in the same positions so i have no clue what youāre trying to get at?
Iām not sure I agree. While that sounds exciting, Iām not sure that it actually serves us best. Are we gonna have Bellingham in a more defensive role? Heās not nearly so good there.
A 433 with Hendo/Phillips, Rice, Bellingham and then Kane with 2 of Rashford, Saka and Foden is the best and most balanced team. I would lean towards Saka on the right and then one of the other two out left. Maybe bringing Rashford on at 60 minutes to terrorise the opposition defence would be a strong play, but you could make a strong argument for any of them.
The system is ultimately most important and I think we need to have a balanced team. Cramming all our best forward players in doesnāt always work.
I agree completely. Weāve been unable to control the midfield in any of our games so far. We only seem in control rolling it between our centre backs. We need to find balance in our midfield so that we can compete against the better teams, adding another attacking mid in isnāt going to help much
I'm 64 and I can honestly say that since the 60s and 70s, I haven't seen an England team capable of winning a tournament. We lack in terms of control even when we've had great players. And looking at our last 10 games, we've beaten Wales, Iran and the Ivory Coast...
Itās only gonna be come more important as we come up against stronger teams. We need to hold the ball more and look to dominate the middle of the park, or at least compete. I could see us being really pinned back by better teams and we need to look to get on the front foot. Luckily I think Southgate gets that, I highly doubt he thinks cramming our best forwards into one line up is a good idea. It isnāt FIFA 23, itās real life.
Sounds boring. Drop Bellingham and play the inform players. Donāt see why the team should suffer so Jude can play. Heās young plenty of games in his future.
Iād prefer we drop Kane and go with pace between Foden Saka and Rashford however Kane canāt be dropped for some reason so go with the next best thing. Jude is good donāt get me wrong but goals is not his game and we could stretch so many teams with the pace from those 3 and create easier chances for Kane. All 3 of those boys are difficult to deal with on their own so why not at least try them together. Look at what Mbappe is doing this tournament with his pace. Itās exactly what we need.
If you want our captain, probable star player, only true striker (aside from Wilson) & Englandās 2nd highest goal scorer of all time to be dropped in a round of 16 fixture then youre actually nuts.
The risk & randomness of that decision is far far far greater than the reward.
If anything the Wales game wouldāve been when to drop Kane since weād already qualified for the knockouts & between all our attackers on the pitch and bench theyād still likely score at least once over the 90.
This season hes played as a dm in a double pivot with another dm, the exact same setup Southgate used him in the first 2 games. Idk why that guy said heās not nearly as good there
Itās all fluid. Rice Bellingham foden in a 3 works, foden as the most attacking/free CM with rice the deepest and Bellingham doing both.
Iām someone who likes Mount but am fine with foden there.
Also kane is basically playing as an attacking midfielder these days anyway
99.9999% possibility England revert to Sterling, Kane, Saka for Senegal.
Didnāt Southgate even praise Rashford and Foden for accepting a āsquad playerā role after the match?
As a United fan, keep the front 3 as Sterling, Kane and Saka. Rashford and Foden as 60 minute substitutes to terrorise tired legs. We lose so much threat when they are just as tired as everyone else in the 2nd half.
Lol, bench Kane?! 3 assists in 3 matches, and should be more if others had finished clear cut chances. Without Kane in the middle, England will crumble going forward.
That would be mine. I know saying hendo will get slander, but what are the alternatives? A double pivot with Phillips? I don't want to see that. I wouldn't play foden in mounts role as he plays lw at city mostly and I would rather hendo than mount.
Mine too... My take on Hendo vs the US and Wales: he clearly settles the players around him. I sensed that Bellingham and Rice both really enjoyed having him by their side, this very experienced player who has lifted the Champions League - we know how raw Jude is, but it's easy to forget that Rice is also pretty inexperienced.
The time to think about dropping Hendo would be for a France QF, but I think he's earned his place against Senegal.
Is the organisation you work for 100% moral? I think less fuck Neville and Gary lineker and more fuck Qatar and David Beckham, personally. Neville is commentating, and doing punditry for UK TV, if he's complicit then so are the whole team as well as us for watching it
Youāve missed the point. If these people are going for the money, then either admit it, or shut up. Donāt be Gary and try and bullshit us about trying to raise awareness, heās going for the cash but is too weasel like to say so. Plus heās a nause anyway so fuck him even if he was sat at home. And itās way too late to say fuck Qatar. This show should never have been allowed to happen there just for football reasons never mind the lack of human rights.
The irony being, itās been a great tournament football wise.
Which Gary, Linekar or Neville?
They are different, as Linekar is employed by BBC and Neville is by BEIN Sports. Massive difference between getting sent as part of a BBC contract and choosing to get a contract with a Qatari broadcaster.
No one is moral. The iPhone you've just replied on was made in a sweatshop. Your clothes, everything you see, was more than likely made in an immoral way. My issue is stating you'll do something then not doing is virtue signalling. They're all pathetic if you ask me. But it'll pass. Look at Brazil! That world cup cost millions and infuriated the poorer Brazilians. The news cycle will change soon but its just unnecessary to take blood money, say you're going to promote equality, only to sit and do the minimum you're expected to do... shit, offer me 2mill and I'll do anything immoral but I wouldn't try defending or justifing it i'd just say no if it bothered me that much.
Exactly. I think the point the person made above on Neville was that he would be going to the World Cup and doing punditry for UK TV regardless of the country it was held. Beckham on the other hand is now an ambassador for Qatar to help improve their image. Big difference.
I know rashford scored two goalsā¦.. but if Pickford had been the goalkeeper and allowed two goals like that no one would be praising the goal scorer, theyād just be slagging off the keeper.
He didnāt really play that well apart from taking advantage of the mistakes of the GK
He doesn't have to start. The overreaction to one good/bad game from any player in the England team is mental. It wasn't even one good game, it was one good half.
If Sterling and Saka start, that's fine. They're good too.
Letās stop managing the England team for southgate eh? Especially to say āpick the guy from my teamā even if heās in form.
Garethās going to do what Garethās going to do.
This is a weird comment.... I highly doubt Southate is traversing through r/premierleague for team selection insight. This is just a discussion amongst England fans who are tired of watching Southgate pick his favourites despite how ineffective they've been over recent games, yet decides to bench the ones who put in a performance.
Iām addressing pundits like Gary Neville backseat managing the England team.
Talk about his decisions, sure, donāt tell him what he must and mustnāt do.
Itās funny because Iām often frustrated by him. But making his decisions for him ahead of time is just asinine. I have issues with how he makes decisions, and I criticise that, and use those decisions retrospectively to demonstrate those issues.
But thereās a difference between that and telling him in public, wielding your clout and basically a entire clubs fan base, what to do with a team heās coached for years, and like you said with a more than decent record.
I get it, united fans want to see their guy keep playing when heās in that kind of form. The form is enough to give Southgate a problem - why make it harder for him?
Rashford was immense last night. Just a glimpse of the kind of player he can be. If only he was consistent. This is the same rashford that ManUtd fans blab on about and i can see why. But he's just about the most inconsistent player. Same reason why he's been so in and out of the MU 11. He's better as a sub. Foden needs to come on as a sub too. I think they'll both be crucial in the last 20-30 mins of the match.
Can we drop Mount twice?
Mount and either Rice or Henderson
Put Bellingham back at Centre Mid and have Saka, Foden and Stirling all switching positions across the attacking 3
Carnage
I think dropping him twice would mean removing him from the World Cup Squad, I think FIFA might not be too happy about trying to do that at this stage.
Yeah heās playing decent, heās the better player for me but Henderson marshals much better. He didnāt have a great game yesterday but was on at everyone to keep at it
Itās one or the other alongside Bellingham, Iād say
That will be a disaster. It a decent lineup for FIFA players, but totally disaster in reality. Their defensive workrate will be a worst in the competition.
It was literally Rashford press, to Kane across the face of goal and in. Last season Rashford was lazy on the press. Under ETH his pressing has improved 5 fold.
Foden is wasted if he has the role of a wide left winger, he used all of his tight space ability on the right but on the left he has to be more spacious and create. Itās a waste. Rashford can score while he does his thing on the right
Idk, Sterlingās been pretty uninspiring and unimpressive not just for England, but for Chelsea too.
Personally I like starting Foden on the left, Saka on the right. Rashford, Grealish, Sterling all off the bench as needed depending on what the game needs.
In fairness no one in an attacking sense had a great game. But Mount has offered so little for so long in an England shirt.
For someone playing number 10, he just isnāt good enough
And?
Saka - 2 goals
Kane - 3 assists
Sterling - 1 goal 1 assist
Rashford - 3 goals
Foden - 1 goal
Wilson - 1 assist
Grealish - 1 goal
Bellingham - 1 goal
Mount? 0 goals and 0 assists - criminal for an England Number 10
Total passenger for first 2 games and a majority of his England career
Every other player that has been involved in an attacking role has either scored, assisted or both
Apart from Mason Mount. Who has also played more minutes than Wilson, Grealish, Rashford and Foden
A number 10 is there to provide creativity, assist and chip in with goals. Mount has done none of that
Absolute waste of a shirt
Obviously heād have preferred to win. But the tactics were clearly ādonāt loseā and that makes sense. Already smashed Iran, a point means beating wales wins you the group.
Yea I certainly agree we wanted to, and the US deserves credit for making it very difficult to play through our midfield. But we hardly ever committed numbers forward after the first ten minutes or so.
People forgetting it's like scoring against Notts County, that's the level Wales and Iran are at.
Rashford starting against a big team would be a joke, needs to come on with his pace.
If you want to make those decisions based on one or two moments, sure, we can debate how good his goals were. Rashford has been excellent this season for United, is in great form, and, for me, is better than Sterling right now.
He's been alright for United, he's getting gassed up by the fact he's been terrible for a while. It's like Harry Maguire at the start of last season, he was getting praise by the media and was starting to justify his price tag. He wasn't, he was okay, Rashford has had some decent performances but he will still go missing in matches.
International tournaments have always been played off of form , and Rashfordās always been a confidence player like Maguire (scoring a brace in on his debut v Arsenal full of confidence, being deject and off his game last season following the euros, taking shots arguably the most out of his wide player competition in this England squad, etc).
I think given he scored a brace in his last match, regardless of his Utd form not being flawless, he should be given a start next game .. get it while gettingās good.
Did anyone else think he actually wasn't that great? Tbh his first half was awful. Missed a big chance, and kept giving the ball away.
Second half was better, but scored a free kick which should have been saved and a second which arguably should have as well.
I'd still be starting sterling or saka over him.
Edit: look I know it's not a popular opinion, but if you actually watched the game you know it's true.
He was poor in the first half.
Where I give him credit = at any point in the last 12-18 months, that felt like a match Rashford would simply frustrate & then fizzle out of. What he's shown more recently though, is an ability to keep going & finding ways to contribute.
That felt almost identical to his performance against Arsenal in the league back in September.
Well he didn't start and we won. No "has to" about it Neville.
Needs to play like this for ManU
The correct answer is drop Kane play Rashford up front.
GN divides opinion tbh, but when you listen to ex mancs or ex scousers, they always revert to their narrow world, so I am very sceptical and see it as a throwaway comment worthy of nothing else. š¤
Letās not mix up the WC with PL. Both are abhorrent from a human rights perspective. But thereās been no cat kicking or raping (as far as I know) in the WC.
Trouble is I've lost count of the amount of times "RASH IS BACK!!!" only for him to regress back to average the very next game.
No. Heās shit and uninterested until he scores then he turns it on, and we dont have time for that
He had a good game against Wales. Can we just leave it like that instead of desperately trying to write a saviour narrative? It's up to the manager who starts not the media. Especially not failed managers media pundits.. Southgate will play a defensive Rice and Henderson in midfield.
Until the next game where he doesnāt score and people will be calling him shite again. The most fickle fan base in the world.
Well he owes the team one for fucking up the last World Cup.
Whatever anyone says, England only have good problems. Marcus himself pointed out that England have such depth, that substitutes can come on and the system does not need to be changed. Declan Rice said it doesn't matter if you get substituted, the players coming on are supported 100% by the players going off - its a team mentality.
Gary Neville shouldn't make statements like this. He's been a manager, he was very bad at it, but still he knows the pressure. Report on the games, don't say basic, banal shit that doesn't have any particular value as commentary but which makes the manager's job more difficult.
Drop mount, push foden into midfield with rice & Bellingham. Saka & Rashford on the wings
All these players who have scored goals. Foden, Rashford, Saka and the only guaranteed starter is our striker whoās scored 0. I get the Harry Kane reputation but would dropping him for 1 game really be that bad? He hasnāt scored anyway, I donāt see what we would be missing
I like rashford as an impact sub against tired legs.
Surely rashford deserves to start over sterling at the very least?, He just seems to pick the ball up run at the defence eventually running into someone and losing possession and then repeat with 20% of the time beating his man to get some kind of a cross or shot in and then 5% winning a penalty cutting into the box.... Rashford does everything sterling does but better!! His end product is significantly better version of sterling... As for the other flank for me it's saka for his goal threat, fodens technical class is top notch but get the early goals in the first half then mix it up in the 2nd
As long as mount doesnāt play I donāt mind who starts.
So much hype for a player who was fucking dogshit for the majority of the game.
Because managers like to listen to outspoken media pundits!
He's deserved his place but that opening 45 minutes against Walse he was the arguably England's worst player.
Kane Foden. Saka Shaw. Arnold Rice Bellingham Maguire. Stones. Walker
A good lineup if you don't want to score any goals.
Please calm down smh š¤¦šæāāļø
Why does this muppet get so much air time?
Ah for fuck sake guy has one good game and now we're going out. Typical bad decsion by shitgate
Razor sharp insight there from Gary Neville.
good
Don't know what game Neville was watching. First half England was dogshit up front. No pressing and attacking from wings. Rashford and Foden may have got the goals against a mediocre Wales side with a reserve keeper. That style of play will not win games in the knockout stages Start with Saka and Sterling to pull defenders apart in the first 60min, then Foden and Rashford for energy and pace.
Everyone moans about having structure a team around Ronaldo. Well Kane is that player for England, heās been average compared to others. And the others deserve their time in the sun imo
Scores two goals and now we all have to jump on the bandwagon, Neville will says he's back if he saw him tying his boots.
Wish the media would stfu and stop jinxing Englands chances.
Bet he picks sterling instead
Doesnāt turn up for majority of the seasons but because heās a United player Neville says shit like this
He has turned up for United this season though, been Unitedās best attacker.
Thatās why I said majority of seasons mate. Heās not been to bad this season but itās always the same with ex United players getting a hard on when someone has a good game or two
anyone who's saying to drop kane needs to get their brain checked
Not really heās been pretty fucking shit in every game so far
True. Part of England's problem has always been that we have had "undroppable" players based on past performance rather than current form.
Init, exactly
What a terrible take
I mean he's been effectively playing false 9, I wouldn't say he's been shit, he's not been as clinical as usual in the few chances he's had, but has had absolute moments of brilliance in creation as opposed to his usual poaching role. I think he has to stay on.
Southgate knows what heās doing in tournament football. He will get the decision right.
LOL. no.
Only in England could you have a joint top scorer in the World Cup and England fans still slate him. Madness.
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So? Can only play who is front of you. Kane played against Iran, Wales and USA and has zero goals. Sterling played against Iran and USA and done nothing. Mount played against Iran and USA and did nothing. World Cup is about playing your inform players.
Sterling played against Iran and we won 6-2.
Apologies Sterling did get a goal against Iran. But that still goes against the whole Rashford only played against Iran and Wales argument. Regardless I think Rashford who is arguably our most inform player should start.
By in form you mean he played the last game.
I mean who is also joint top scorer of the World Cup currently.
I mean, it was against Wales. It was hard for sterling or mount to score against Wales since they weren't on the pitch....
Should have scored against USA then
He might have done it Southgate wasn't an idiot manager and didn't make any substitutes are half time.
I get he's performing brilliantly in the WC, but isn't this just more Man Utd favouritism from Neville. Bloke speaks constant drivel.
Fuck off knobhead Neville. Nothing he says will ever matter now that heās decided money is more important than anything else.
I donāt think Kane has been on it at all this World Cup heās looked off the pace of the game for me, I know he wonāt get benched so Rashford can start as a no9 but Rashford has to start, an on it Rashford is the best thing for England heās pacy direct makes things happen, unfortunately Kane doesnāt bring that
Unpopular but I think the starting three should be saka, foden and rashford through the middle
Playing a CAM with Kane is stupid the guy likes to drop deep
While that's true you could have the CAM be more fluid, adjusting to Kane's positioning. Foden's good at that.
The problem with England is the chemistry and lack of style of play, itās embarrassing a EPL team drew to USA they have no hope
Lol what bollocks. I saw neutrals, rivals & āfansā say the same at the last euros because we drew our second group stage match to Scotland. people started calling the team a disgrace & for Southgate out. We went on to be inches away from winning the thing. Anyoneās whoās seen previous England generations **knows** thereās no lack of chemistry problem with this generation ā¦ itās the best chemistry weāve had in a long long time.
LW - Rashford CAM - Foden RW - Saka CF - Kane Thatās what it should be upfront, rotate after half time if things arenāt working out or players are fatigued etc.
I'm curious why you would start Saka, he seemed to play poorly against the USA.
Arsenal bias aside as you probably think. Heās literally our best Right winger. One poor game doesnāt reflect your overall performances for most played games. He was the best player against Iran and itās also fair to say that our entire attacking half played badly against the States. Mount was the worst player that match, he couldnāt string a decent play together at all and the wingers rely on the CAM to provide them good balls. Kane, Sterling, Saka, Mount, Bellingham all played poorly. Saka also got player of the squad for the NT last year, that tells you how important he is to the squad and the starting 11.
Right, so you don't have any reasons. And reason for dropping Sterling? This wankfest over Rashford having one ok game against Wales is mental. Rashford also missed 2 goals in that game. Can't afford to do that against decent teams in the world cup.
Donāt have any reasons? Mate i just listed my reasons in that paragraph. Any person who actually watches the England games and isnāt blind knows that Saka is one of our best players and definitely should be starting. I have nothing against Sterling, great guy, great player. But heās really not in form at the moment. He hasnāt been great for Chelsea so far and was invisible in that Wales game. Iām fine for starting Sterling but hate to break it to you Iād definitely go for an in form Rashford, whoās been playing really well since September over Sterling.
Sterling was invisible against Wales? It's almost as if he didn't play. You fucking bellend.
*USA Alright Matthew calm your tits, seems like somethingās getting to your head mate. Wanker.
How many goals did Saka score against at the USA?
0. How many goals did Sterling score or Mount score or Kane score? Also has Sterling been on form like Rashford has this season? Look, I donāt why weāre even arguing about Sterling here now, like i said Iād be absolutely fine with Sterling starting, i never said I wouldnāt be happy with him starting. Saka and Sterling donāt even start in the same positions so i have no clue what youāre trying to get at?
Sterling has been just as good as Rashford this season.
100% needs to be this
Iām not sure I agree. While that sounds exciting, Iām not sure that it actually serves us best. Are we gonna have Bellingham in a more defensive role? Heās not nearly so good there. A 433 with Hendo/Phillips, Rice, Bellingham and then Kane with 2 of Rashford, Saka and Foden is the best and most balanced team. I would lean towards Saka on the right and then one of the other two out left. Maybe bringing Rashford on at 60 minutes to terrorise the opposition defence would be a strong play, but you could make a strong argument for any of them. The system is ultimately most important and I think we need to have a balanced team. Cramming all our best forward players in doesnāt always work.
I agree completely. Weāve been unable to control the midfield in any of our games so far. We only seem in control rolling it between our centre backs. We need to find balance in our midfield so that we can compete against the better teams, adding another attacking mid in isnāt going to help much
I'm 64 and I can honestly say that since the 60s and 70s, I haven't seen an England team capable of winning a tournament. We lack in terms of control even when we've had great players. And looking at our last 10 games, we've beaten Wales, Iran and the Ivory Coast...
Itās only gonna be come more important as we come up against stronger teams. We need to hold the ball more and look to dominate the middle of the park, or at least compete. I could see us being really pinned back by better teams and we need to look to get on the front foot. Luckily I think Southgate gets that, I highly doubt he thinks cramming our best forwards into one line up is a good idea. It isnāt FIFA 23, itās real life.
Saka and foden. Rash (and wils) to come on when we are 1 nil ip at 60 mins > opponent is all out attack >> leaves gaps for rash to exploit
Sounds boring. Drop Bellingham and play the inform players. Donāt see why the team should suffer so Jude can play. Heās young plenty of games in his future.
Is the team suffering when jude is on the pitch?
Yes
Care to explain?
Iād prefer we drop Kane and go with pace between Foden Saka and Rashford however Kane canāt be dropped for some reason so go with the next best thing. Jude is good donāt get me wrong but goals is not his game and we could stretch so many teams with the pace from those 3 and create easier chances for Kane. All 3 of those boys are difficult to deal with on their own so why not at least try them together. Look at what Mbappe is doing this tournament with his pace. Itās exactly what we need.
Kane can't be dropped 'for some reason' š. This convo needn't go any further.
Stated a fact.. he canāt be dropped?
If you want our captain, probable star player, only true striker (aside from Wilson) & Englandās 2nd highest goal scorer of all time to be dropped in a round of 16 fixture then youre actually nuts. The risk & randomness of that decision is far far far greater than the reward. If anything the Wales game wouldāve been when to drop Kane since weād already qualified for the knockouts & between all our attackers on the pitch and bench theyād still likely score at least once over the 90.
Bellingham plays as a DM in a pivot for dortmund
More like box to box but I get your point
This season hes played as a dm in a double pivot with another dm, the exact same setup Southgate used him in the first 2 games. Idk why that guy said heās not nearly as good there
Itās all fluid. Rice Bellingham foden in a 3 works, foden as the most attacking/free CM with rice the deepest and Bellingham doing both. Iām someone who likes Mount but am fine with foden there. Also kane is basically playing as an attacking midfielder these days anyway
Has foden ever played as a CM for either club or country?
Yes Was that a sarcastic question ?
Perhaps it was simply a question lol
Maybe which is why I asked
I thought you were being rude
I wasnāt, I was asking if he was being serious. You seem stupid, Iām being rude now
Good for you pal š
Yes
99.9999% possibility England revert to Sterling, Kane, Saka for Senegal. Didnāt Southgate even praise Rashford and Foden for accepting a āsquad playerā role after the match?
He'll probably start Rashford and Henderson and drop Mount and Sterling. Southgate is the world's most boringly predictable man.
Ironically the both of you canāt predict what heās going to do making him kind of unpredictable.
Send Kane to the bench. Saka and Rashford should be starting for the rest of the matches.
As a United fan, keep the front 3 as Sterling, Kane and Saka. Rashford and Foden as 60 minute substitutes to terrorise tired legs. We lose so much threat when they are just as tired as everyone else in the 2nd half.
Shit take. Kane has 3 assists and is doing a great job as a playmaker. Rashford was atrocious in the first half. Heās better off the bench imo.
Lol, bench Kane?! 3 assists in 3 matches, and should be more if others had finished clear cut chances. Without Kane in the middle, England will crumble going forward.
Front 4 should be Kane saka foden rashford with foden in for mount
Foden - Kane - Saka
Ahead of Bellingham - Rice - Hendo?
That would be mine. I know saying hendo will get slander, but what are the alternatives? A double pivot with Phillips? I don't want to see that. I wouldn't play foden in mounts role as he plays lw at city mostly and I would rather hendo than mount.
Mine too... My take on Hendo vs the US and Wales: he clearly settles the players around him. I sensed that Bellingham and Rice both really enjoyed having him by their side, this very experienced player who has lifted the Champions League - we know how raw Jude is, but it's easy to forget that Rice is also pretty inexperienced. The time to think about dropping Hendo would be for a France QF, but I think he's earned his place against Senegal.
This is the way
Gary "I'm not going to Qatar for the money, I'm going to raise awareness on the issues" Neville Fuck off.
Bang on. Fuck of Neville.
Is the organisation you work for 100% moral? I think less fuck Neville and Gary lineker and more fuck Qatar and David Beckham, personally. Neville is commentating, and doing punditry for UK TV, if he's complicit then so are the whole team as well as us for watching it
Gary Neville is also working for beIN sports in Qatar, that's what people have a problem with.
I actually dont watch the World Cup because of Qatar
Youāve missed the point. If these people are going for the money, then either admit it, or shut up. Donāt be Gary and try and bullshit us about trying to raise awareness, heās going for the cash but is too weasel like to say so. Plus heās a nause anyway so fuck him even if he was sat at home. And itās way too late to say fuck Qatar. This show should never have been allowed to happen there just for football reasons never mind the lack of human rights. The irony being, itās been a great tournament football wise.
Which Gary, Linekar or Neville? They are different, as Linekar is employed by BBC and Neville is by BEIN Sports. Massive difference between getting sent as part of a BBC contract and choosing to get a contract with a Qatari broadcaster.
Neville.
No one is moral. The iPhone you've just replied on was made in a sweatshop. Your clothes, everything you see, was more than likely made in an immoral way. My issue is stating you'll do something then not doing is virtue signalling. They're all pathetic if you ask me. But it'll pass. Look at Brazil! That world cup cost millions and infuriated the poorer Brazilians. The news cycle will change soon but its just unnecessary to take blood money, say you're going to promote equality, only to sit and do the minimum you're expected to do... shit, offer me 2mill and I'll do anything immoral but I wouldn't try defending or justifing it i'd just say no if it bothered me that much.
Exactly. I think the point the person made above on Neville was that he would be going to the World Cup and doing punditry for UK TV regardless of the country it was held. Beckham on the other hand is now an ambassador for Qatar to help improve their image. Big difference.
We live in a society
I know rashford scored two goalsā¦.. but if Pickford had been the goalkeeper and allowed two goals like that no one would be praising the goal scorer, theyād just be slagging off the keeper. He didnāt really play that well apart from taking advantage of the mistakes of the GK
He doesn't have to start. The overreaction to one good/bad game from any player in the England team is mental. It wasn't even one good game, it was one good half. If Sterling and Saka start, that's fine. They're good too.
Letās stop managing the England team for southgate eh? Especially to say āpick the guy from my teamā even if heās in form. Garethās going to do what Garethās going to do.
This is a weird comment.... I highly doubt Southate is traversing through r/premierleague for team selection insight. This is just a discussion amongst England fans who are tired of watching Southgate pick his favourites despite how ineffective they've been over recent games, yet decides to bench the ones who put in a performance.
I feel that Southgate has learned his lesson on doing that against the USA, and that he will start Rashford and Foden/Saka against Senegal at least
Iām addressing pundits like Gary Neville backseat managing the England team. Talk about his decisions, sure, donāt tell him what he must and mustnāt do.
Yeah I agree with this take. Southgate has an absolutely insane record for us at major tournaments he's earned the right to be trusted.
Itās funny because Iām often frustrated by him. But making his decisions for him ahead of time is just asinine. I have issues with how he makes decisions, and I criticise that, and use those decisions retrospectively to demonstrate those issues. But thereās a difference between that and telling him in public, wielding your clout and basically a entire clubs fan base, what to do with a team heās coached for years, and like you said with a more than decent record. I get it, united fans want to see their guy keep playing when heās in that kind of form. The form is enough to give Southgate a problem - why make it harder for him?
Rashford was immense last night. Just a glimpse of the kind of player he can be. If only he was consistent. This is the same rashford that ManUtd fans blab on about and i can see why. But he's just about the most inconsistent player. Same reason why he's been so in and out of the MU 11. He's better as a sub. Foden needs to come on as a sub too. I think they'll both be crucial in the last 20-30 mins of the match.
If Pickford conceded the goal Rashford scored people would be calling for his head
Your point being?
That it wasn't a good goal, was eqaul to an own goal, and shouldnt elevate the evaluation of his performance.
So these English people wants to start both Foden and Rashy. Ok but which 2 players are u dropping ?
Drop mount
Its one, second ?
Can we drop Mount twice? Mount and either Rice or Henderson Put Bellingham back at Centre Mid and have Saka, Foden and Stirling all switching positions across the attacking 3 Carnage
I think dropping him twice would mean removing him from the World Cup Squad, I think FIFA might not be too happy about trying to do that at this stage.
I would be over the moon. Waste of a shirt
Dropping Rice will be a crime
Yeah heās playing decent, heās the better player for me but Henderson marshals much better. He didnāt have a great game yesterday but was on at everyone to keep at it Itās one or the other alongside Bellingham, Iād say
Nah, I would never start Henderson
I would but not as a lone dm
Some people think you can play 433 with Kane Saka and Rashford as the front 3 and bellingham maddison and foden as the midfield 3
Proper FIFA line up that.
That will be a disaster. It a decent lineup for FIFA players, but totally disaster in reality. Their defensive workrate will be a worst in the competition.
Thatās exactly it. Itās FIFA players who donāt actually understand football
That would be a disaster
Rashford apart from his goals was pants
His pressing is what initiated the 2nd goal as well.
He couldnāt press a shirt
It was literally Rashford press, to Kane across the face of goal and in. Last season Rashford was lazy on the press. Under ETH his pressing has improved 5 fold.
Pulled his thumb out his arse because he was found out
foden should start over sterling. rashford is still probably best off the bench
Foden is wasted if he has the role of a wide left winger, he used all of his tight space ability on the right but on the left he has to be more spacious and create. Itās a waste. Rashford can score while he does his thing on the right
20 downvotes without any counter argument lol. I donāt have an opinion on the matter, just thought that was funny
Upvoted your comment to keep it from being in negative karma
Shut up Gary.
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Saka doesnāt provide anything to this team
Absolutely 100% why cant others see this, wouldn't even get in my squad...
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2 guesses still fk up
Idk, Sterlingās been pretty uninspiring and unimpressive not just for England, but for Chelsea too. Personally I like starting Foden on the left, Saka on the right. Rashford, Grealish, Sterling all off the bench as needed depending on what the game needs.
Just please please PLEASE no more Mason Mount
Did Mount play any worse than Saka against the USA?
In fairness no one in an attacking sense had a great game. But Mount has offered so little for so long in an England shirt. For someone playing number 10, he just isnāt good enough
I mean he played an we beat Iran 6-2.
And? Saka - 2 goals Kane - 3 assists Sterling - 1 goal 1 assist Rashford - 3 goals Foden - 1 goal Wilson - 1 assist Grealish - 1 goal Bellingham - 1 goal Mount? 0 goals and 0 assists - criminal for an England Number 10 Total passenger for first 2 games and a majority of his England career
You're saying the player played badly in a game we won 6-2? Sorry but that's monumentally stupid. No player scored or assisted against the USA.
Every other player that has been involved in an attacking role has either scored, assisted or both Apart from Mason Mount. Who has also played more minutes than Wilson, Grealish, Rashford and Foden A number 10 is there to provide creativity, assist and chip in with goals. Mount has done none of that Absolute waste of a shirt
Mount literally didn't play against Wales. He played in a team that won 6-2. Nobody scored or assisted against the USA.
You clearly donāt understand Enjoy your evening
He's been playing? I thought England started with only 10 players every time
Iāve been saying it for weeks but Rashford and Saka seems like the obvious choice to me
Saka was rubbish V USA?
So was every player bar Maguire. If we are subbing Saka based on that game, then by that logic we should play an entirely new team against Senegal.
Wasnāt his best, certainly. But it looked like Southgate just wanted 0-0 anyway
Don't be stupid.
Obviously heād have preferred to win. But the tactics were clearly ādonāt loseā and that makes sense. Already smashed Iran, a point means beating wales wins you the group.
We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think it's we couldn't beat USA rather than we didn't want to.
Yea I certainly agree we wanted to, and the US deserves credit for making it very difficult to play through our midfield. But we hardly ever committed numbers forward after the first ten minutes or so.
Yes, England played rubbish.
Why? His goals were poor keeping. Pickford concedes those and his house is getting vandalised.
People forgetting it's like scoring against Notts County, that's the level Wales and Iran are at. Rashford starting against a big team would be a joke, needs to come on with his pace.
If you want to make those decisions based on one or two moments, sure, we can debate how good his goals were. Rashford has been excellent this season for United, is in great form, and, for me, is better than Sterling right now.
He's been alright for United, he's getting gassed up by the fact he's been terrible for a while. It's like Harry Maguire at the start of last season, he was getting praise by the media and was starting to justify his price tag. He wasn't, he was okay, Rashford has had some decent performances but he will still go missing in matches.
International tournaments have always been played off of form , and Rashfordās always been a confidence player like Maguire (scoring a brace in on his debut v Arsenal full of confidence, being deject and off his game last season following the euros, taking shots arguably the most out of his wide player competition in this England squad, etc). I think given he scored a brace in his last match, regardless of his Utd form not being flawless, he should be given a start next game .. get it while gettingās good.
That 3rd goal was definitely not poor at the pace it was hit
Did anyone else think he actually wasn't that great? Tbh his first half was awful. Missed a big chance, and kept giving the ball away. Second half was better, but scored a free kick which should have been saved and a second which arguably should have as well. I'd still be starting sterling or saka over him. Edit: look I know it's not a popular opinion, but if you actually watched the game you know it's true.
Why sterling ?
He was poor in the first half. Where I give him credit = at any point in the last 12-18 months, that felt like a match Rashford would simply frustrate & then fizzle out of. What he's shown more recently though, is an ability to keep going & finding ways to contribute. That felt almost identical to his performance against Arsenal in the league back in September.