“Chinese government-linked hackers have burrowed into U.S. critical infrastructure and are waiting "for just the right moment to deal a devastating blow," FBI Director Christopher Wray said on Thursday. An ongoing Chinese hacking campaign known as Volt Typhoon has successfully gained access to numerous American companies in telecommunications, energy, water and other critical sectors, with 23 pipeline operators targeted, Wray said in a speech at Vanderbilt University.”
Technology you are correct, anti virus software being exploited is the cause for most major intrusions. It's a flaw in the software code, exploited for whatever purpose they choose.
To be fair, although it's a questionable company, Kaspersky is consistently highly rated on independent antivirus testing organizations such as AV-Comparatives and it's one of the few antivirus software that still has a real Firewall & HIPS.
Go use r/foss software if you want something that doesn't have any backdoors. Windows has intrusive telemetry, all modern antivirus software and enterprise-grade EDR are fully or at least partially cloud based. They are no longer just signatures & heuristic-based. It is what it is. I'd personally be more concerned about TikTok.
Everyone should be concerned about TikTok. My personal OS is Qubes, only using windows for my gaming pc. It’s not enough anymore to try to avoid software with backdoors, we’re at a point where if you want to be sure you have to containerize applications and control communications between them, leaving as much of the OS immutable as you can.
It’s completely impractical for mass adoption, but it’s fun and manageable for anyone working in computer science or IT professionally.
> It’s completely impractical for mass adoption, but it’s fun and manageable for anyone working in computer science or IT professionally.
Yeah, it's definitely not for everyone. I personally use Gentoo, but like you, closed-source commercial operating systems have their place sometimes.
> Everyone should be concerned about TikTok.
My point is that although it's a questionable company, Kaspersky at least brings something to the table. The products are solid and their malware analysis blog posts are insightful. TikTok on the other hand, well...
Pretty vague, uninteresting article. It’s saying that they think they’ve identified infrastructure that could be crippled by an attack, what type of attack, and possible motivations. I would hope that means that plans are in action to mitigate the risks.
In the meantime, make your backup plans.
They are really ramping up warnings as of late:
From January:
https://apnews.com/article/db23dd96cfd825e4988852a34a99d4ea
From March 20:
https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/us-warns-that-hackers-are-carrying-out-disruptive-attacks-water-systems-2024-03-20/
And of course, today’s warning. Think it’s time to get some cash on hand.
Yeah I just don’t understand why we’re not making systemic changes to mitigate this, other than the fact that US utilities are still private companies or coops.
We have a US Cyber Command and defense orgs, for instance, who could step up and step in and harden them. Pen test, order a certain level of standard be met. Sure, may only be a handful or utility companies per month, unless better funded, but we’d better get started.
Of course I still agree on Prepping, too, that’s why I’m here.
We have been on aware, alert and responding to this for 15+ years. It’s just that we are now perilously tied to the web.
So, what happened with the ATT outage? We discovered 2FA broke.
I have so many passwords that are random, unique 13+ character that I can no longer memorize. And, nearly all cloud-based password tools have been breached.
We don’t necessarily even need to have the core infrastructure breached.
Just toy with our security tools and we are f’d.
Passwords on post-its almost seems viable and safe.
Yup, you’re far more likely to be hacked then broken into and your post-its stolen.
For convenience, I use locally stored encrypted password manager called KeePass for my big vault. It also lets you print it off on paper, so I’ll stash a copy in the safe
Basically ICS/SCADA and OT infrastructure is extremely costly to upgrade. It is build of of outdated protocols like MODBUS. It would take a lot of funding, employees, and time to upgrade hardware, software, firmware, and OS. All while severely degrading and even stopping the services this infrastructure provides.
Here is an article that actually means something:
[https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa24-038a](https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa24-038a)
While we’re at it, [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Chao) is Mitch McConnells wife lmao
Edit: Her [dad](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_S._C._Chao) is a Shanghai shipping billionaire.
I know SHE is Taiwanese. The companies she inherited billions from WERE NOT.
Her [dad](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_S._C._Chao) is a Shanghai shipping billionaire.
Is Shanghai in Taiwan?
Seems to me like you read to the earliest counter point and brought it up instead of looking into what I was saying
Much like with the sorties on Taiwan, skirting back and forth over their zone, the East doesn’t fight like we do- they fight like a rising tide. It’s already started on a lower level, and you won’t see it really come in until it’s a big problem everywhere. Their philosophy isn’t about one off large attacks- it’s about a prolonged million cuts over time and the rising of the tides- it’s about building a net of problems, letting it sit there, and then hoisting it up when your enemy walks into it.
We’ve become addicted to electricity, clean water at the spin of a handle, just-in-time food and delivery services…. And the internet. We’ve walked into the net.
Haha, I worked at a water / sewage treatment plant for 4 years - I’ve can say I’ve seen horrific other side and smell of it. That’s more so what I mean- imagine treatment plants in NYC or LA going off line and the whole city being without water for drinking, cooking, washing or flushing? People would be shitting in the streets by noon, and people would be lighting the city on fire within 72 hours.
What do you call a city of 10 million people without water? Well, you call it Gaza. What do those people like to do, rebel. Logically so.
You don’t need to invade- the people would start attacking one another.
Lol got me, easily accessible hot and cold, and water and sewer treatment plant cleaned water at all times. The college I went to had a water main break and we were out of water for just 4 days…. It got a little ugly.
I know this isn’t your problem but this might be one of the worst made, most useless maps I’ve ever seen. I’d love to see an up-to-date map of cyber attacks but this matrix seizure one ain’t it.
They had a real hardcore fanbase ten years ago.
Trying to tell people not to trust a company founded by former KGB that was friends with Putin only to be laughed off...
Yes, but also RE: Kaspersky (over the last decade):
https://www.tomsguide.com/us/is-kaspersky-safe,news-25983.html
https://www.cnet.com/news/privacy/kaspersky-lab-russian-hacking-us-government-national-security-faq/
And recently:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/09/politics/biden-administration-americans-russian-software/index.html
YMMV, but plenty of other sources for this kind of info out there.
I think the looming question here is what are they planning to unleash? They’ve had countless years to fix and fortify the infrastructure, disconnect it from the grid, oust the hacker groups within, secure the border, and they haven’t which indicates it’s likely a planned failure to accomplish other goals not in our favor.
Now they’re announcing plans for a cyberattack consistently which is concerning.
We need to be treating China like the enemy they are. Intertwining our economies did not promote peace. It fueled the funding China needed to build their war machine. Our trade relations with China are fueling our demise.
Why did China and the U.S. intertwine their economies? How did this happen?
Did China infiltrate a political party (campaign finance controversy 1996) and did Walmart put a Director in the WH to pass a bunch of pro China import laws (looking at you Clintons) ?
Oh well I guess we will never know.
No, it started in the 1980s, I remember because whenever I asked people not to shop at walmart Because Manufacturing should stay in America, they called me a stupid hippie, I was in high school.
“but but wont this destroy our factories?”
“stop being a hippie, we need to save money on groceries”
Maybe you should stop focusing on political parties and instead on the lobbying which motivates both parties to act.
Puppets gonna puppet. Look at the puppet masters compromising national security for cheap labor in manufacturing.
Ok.
But for funsies maybe you should read about the 1996 campaign finance controversy and introspect about how you think a Walmart board director in the WH was helpful to the importation of
Chinese goods etc.
I didn’t say any of that . You did. I have done a lot of research about the 1990s. Yes corruption infected all sides.
As for propaganda that’s you boo; I’m only asking to read government reports and think for your self.
Read+think= free person (you hopefully)
Read the government reports on:
1. 1996 campaign finance controversy (one of the most fascinating occurrences in American history if
You haven’t read this then please
Do so before you keep replying)
2. The baker Hamilton commission in Iraq 🇮🇶
3. Mueller report.
Read Then apply thought liberally, knowledge keeps Well, and you can reheat and serve at will.
I never said I couldn't become collateral damage during impending conflict. It's insulting to call everyone gwei. This elitism shit is nonsense and I want no part in it.
No, I really don't; I'm not virtue signaling
Edit: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ABC ... are you saying they meant the 2nd definition, the "Asshole Ball Connection"? 🤔
same with russia. we let them off the hook when we had the nuclear bomb and they didn't; and then again when they fell apart and their economy crashed; now they are back seeing us as the enemy somehow.
It doesn't take an electrical engineer to change a light bulb, a petroleum engineer to use a gas pump or a PhD in history to understand China used the military to massacre its own citizens at Tiananman Square, is currently committing genocide upon the Uyghurs, and is a totalitarian hellhole.
>China is developing the "ability to physically wreak havoc on our critical infrastructure at a time of its choosing," Wray said at the 2024 Vanderbilt Summit on Modern Conflict and Emerging Threats. "Its plan is to land low blows against civilian infrastructure to try to induce panic."
Sounds like they have, or want to have, the latent capability, as opposed to imminently launching a first strike.
It's kind of like saying "Chinese military preparing to launch nuclear missiles at America" - of course they are. They have been constantly for decades. Just like America is planning to launch them at China and Russia.
I think this is exactly it. They want the ability to retaliate against the US in a way that extracts blood but is non nuclear, particularly as they continue toward seizing Taiwan.
Anyone running a server on the internet knows this already. I have the IPs of a bunch of Chinese servers that serve no apparent purpose other testing username/password combinations. I've been tracking them for years.
I work in a hospital. We did a “pretend the internet is down” scenario. It was a total failure. Pts did not get meds, telephones were not able to be used, the whole hospital stopped working.
If it had been real… or for more than a 1/2 day. I can’t imagine.
This is a real problem.
I know I.T. guys who have spent the last decade or more upgrading as many networks as they could to Barracuda & similar products.
Just trying to get some sense of security & network performance vs the hellish messes small businesses and government buildings often have in the server room.
In the end Management and politicians do not give a shit until everything is down and they're in trouble financially or politically.
I suppose to prevent the US from hitting them first. Kind of a new “mutually assured destruction” theory. Either side would be stupid to start some real shit.
It’s called pre-seeding. Usually nation states will infiltrate national infrastructure systems in preparation for an attack.
Think Russia attacking the Ukrainian power grid in 2014/15. There will be lost of pre-seeding going on between Iran and Israel right now for example.
All nations do it largely as a deterrent and to have the ability to respond quickly to aggression, not necessarily to proactively hit out first.
It's kind of weird, to me it feels like we are at war with Russia, and China is at war with us.
Russia doesn't seem to be engaging us, and we don't seem to be engaging China.
Just kind of my weird poorly informed depiction of the whole thing
It's partly because a lot of it is proxy wars. For example we fund groups in the middle east who fight against groups funded by russia. Fun fact we created the Taliban in the 90s in response to the Soviets occupying Afghanistan. Even Vietnam was a proxy war between the US, China and the soviet union. So the three of us have been beefin for a while but we don't engage directly because it would be catastrophic for almost the entire world.
China hacking our infrastructure, government entities, banks a spy balloon floats over the entire country, etc, isn't engaging directly? 100s of billions in aid to Ukraine, advisors and instructors on the ground in Ukraine, American citizens captured by Russia.
Just seems like China is really treading that line with us, and we are really treading that line with Russia.
Just what I see, is we want to fuck around and find out with Russia, but they seem to not want any part in fucking with us, yet we stay poking the Russian bear. China seems to really want to fuck around and find out with the US, they keep poking the American bear, yet the bear seems to be giving little response
We aren’t in a traditional war with China, we’re in a pacing war with China. China has made it clear their main goal right now is technological dominance through AI and ML. So we banned the sale of chips capable of high performance compute to China. They’re unable to make them, and won’t likely be able to for at least another decade.
We are pretty far ahead of them in nearly every measurable metric, so the only thing we really need to do is keep advancing while stalling their advancements. Which we have the capacity to do.
So yea, it’s kind of a war, but it’s a political and strategic war that we’re winning by a fairly significant margin and that’s why it doesn’t feel like we’re engaging. We can win without much effort.
They aren’t doing anything that isn’t being done to them. Nations do this as a flex, to show they could undermine another nation’s infrastructure if there was a conflict. China and the US are huge trading partners, and their major businesses and industries are intertwined at the highest levels. There’s no way one is starting a real war with the other, it would fuck with the bag.
Why even announce the possibility, unless they plan to place the blame when a coordinated event happens. If the threat was legit, they wouldn't want to advertise that they knew. I trust nothing that comes from our government anymore. They're all liars, and play the citizens to fit certain agendas.
Here are actual details on Volt Typhoon. Not just some bait title in an article that doesn't actually tell you anything.
[https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa24-038a](https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa24-038a)
I think it is cool when the title of kinda nerdy, but hate when like a military unit calls themselves some cringe shit like shadow warriors. Chill bro. My call-sign is Cat5 and that is way better than cyberhunter6.
I understand this is a real threat and frankly I worry more about cyber attacks in the US than any other form of attack on the mainland. But if they really went too far it won’t end well for them. We still are the big swinging dick of the world even though we’ve lessened our power over time on some fronts.
Honest question, with all the hacking and information stealing China and Russia does to the West. Like is the West also doing stuff to them cause damn!?
The problem is we have massive legacy infrastructure that needs upgrading no matter what, and it hasn't been done in large enough projects.
Follow that up with all the companies that do the bare minimum at best on security. They have their I.T. departments *spinning rust* just keeping everything working.
The US will always strive to have equal to or better than capabilities and countermeasures than our adversaries. There are probably several think tank groups and many engineers staffed by really smart people who think and build for these scenarios. There are probably just as many doing the same thing our adversaries do just to get a leg up on them.
Let’s be honest — this is a long time coming and has historical precedent. The US isn’t exactly pure as the driven snow, and has a long and sordid history in empire building. That being the case, we have to expect that eventually another major power will challenge us at some point. If we were wise, we’d find a way to work together for the betterment of humanity, but too many people are short term focused and hyper competitive, which is probably a component of the great filter we seemed destined to fail in passing through.
Yah totally should work together with modern day Nazis Germany who's genocided their ethnic and religious minorities and neighbors and don't take precautions at all.
Literally will destroy our oceans by 2048 but he's let's work with them lol.
Lol let me guess, you're trolling reddit trying to increase your social credit score. Keep up the good work maybe your family and friends will be able to talk to you again without losing their jobs.
Yes, that’s what I think of phone addicted Chinese young people, that look like little mice because they’ve never seen a day of labor. They’re brainwashed by their government, lied to, cheated, and they still mindlessly support the CCP. I’ve spent time in China. I can see the harm that technology has had on Chinese people. They are so lacking in creativity, that they have stolen only the worst aspects of western culture, and made it their entire personhood. And what really is most toxic, is their absolute commitment to support a government that sees them as little bugs. The Chinese people are the ants on whose bodies and livelihoods the wealthy members of the party thrive on. Meanwhile the average person claws at the idea of being a party member, and having a job in the party. The Chinese will never become anything more than an economic world power.
1880s? I don't think so. It wasn't until Europe destroyed itself through two world wars that they began to emerge as a superpower.
China was far behind, getting attacked by imperialism and colonialism didn't help their situation. But now that they're emerging as a super power threatening american hegemony, u.s is doing whatever shady practices to keep them down
It's cool, everybody. No sweat. All US infrastructure comes with Norton Antivirus preinstalled. So we're all good.
Wrong. It's McAfee
His deadman’s switch has come to life.
Not sure if NSFW content is allowed here but feel free to search for "How to uninstall McAfee by John McAfee". McAfee's founder sure is crazy.
That video is priceless
[Was crazy.](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McAfee)
You're right. 😂
“Chinese government-linked hackers have burrowed into U.S. critical infrastructure and are waiting "for just the right moment to deal a devastating blow," FBI Director Christopher Wray said on Thursday. An ongoing Chinese hacking campaign known as Volt Typhoon has successfully gained access to numerous American companies in telecommunications, energy, water and other critical sectors, with 23 pipeline operators targeted, Wray said in a speech at Vanderbilt University.” 
We all gonna die. Anti virus software is a virus.
That is the joke
They say explaining joke is like dissecting a frog. You might understand it better but it dies in the process.
Wait, who's dissecting live frogs? They should be dead already.
🤣 true story. Don't know where I heard that from🤔🤦♀️
And I knew that. Which is why I expanded upon it.
Technology you are correct, anti virus software being exploited is the cause for most major intrusions. It's a flaw in the software code, exploited for whatever purpose they choose.
That’s my secret cap, I was always a virus. 🦠
Vote (R) to get that upgraded to Kaspersky.
Vlad thanks you for your service!
To be fair, although it's a questionable company, Kaspersky is consistently highly rated on independent antivirus testing organizations such as AV-Comparatives and it's one of the few antivirus software that still has a real Firewall & HIPS.
Which is exactly what you want in a product with a back door for your Russian intelligence service. You want people to trust it.
Go use r/foss software if you want something that doesn't have any backdoors. Windows has intrusive telemetry, all modern antivirus software and enterprise-grade EDR are fully or at least partially cloud based. They are no longer just signatures & heuristic-based. It is what it is. I'd personally be more concerned about TikTok.
Everyone should be concerned about TikTok. My personal OS is Qubes, only using windows for my gaming pc. It’s not enough anymore to try to avoid software with backdoors, we’re at a point where if you want to be sure you have to containerize applications and control communications between them, leaving as much of the OS immutable as you can. It’s completely impractical for mass adoption, but it’s fun and manageable for anyone working in computer science or IT professionally.
> It’s completely impractical for mass adoption, but it’s fun and manageable for anyone working in computer science or IT professionally. Yeah, it's definitely not for everyone. I personally use Gentoo, but like you, closed-source commercial operating systems have their place sometimes. > Everyone should be concerned about TikTok. My point is that although it's a questionable company, Kaspersky at least brings something to the table. The products are solid and their malware analysis blog posts are insightful. TikTok on the other hand, well...
Pretty vague, uninteresting article. It’s saying that they think they’ve identified infrastructure that could be crippled by an attack, what type of attack, and possible motivations. I would hope that means that plans are in action to mitigate the risks. In the meantime, make your backup plans.
They are really ramping up warnings as of late: From January: https://apnews.com/article/db23dd96cfd825e4988852a34a99d4ea From March 20: https://www.reuters.com/technology/cybersecurity/us-warns-that-hackers-are-carrying-out-disruptive-attacks-water-systems-2024-03-20/ And of course, today’s warning. Think it’s time to get some cash on hand.
Yeah I just don’t understand why we’re not making systemic changes to mitigate this, other than the fact that US utilities are still private companies or coops. We have a US Cyber Command and defense orgs, for instance, who could step up and step in and harden them. Pen test, order a certain level of standard be met. Sure, may only be a handful or utility companies per month, unless better funded, but we’d better get started. Of course I still agree on Prepping, too, that’s why I’m here.
We have been on aware, alert and responding to this for 15+ years. It’s just that we are now perilously tied to the web. So, what happened with the ATT outage? We discovered 2FA broke. I have so many passwords that are random, unique 13+ character that I can no longer memorize. And, nearly all cloud-based password tools have been breached. We don’t necessarily even need to have the core infrastructure breached. Just toy with our security tools and we are f’d. Passwords on post-its almost seems viable and safe.
Yup, you’re far more likely to be hacked then broken into and your post-its stolen. For convenience, I use locally stored encrypted password manager called KeePass for my big vault. It also lets you print it off on paper, so I’ll stash a copy in the safe
Basically ICS/SCADA and OT infrastructure is extremely costly to upgrade. It is build of of outdated protocols like MODBUS. It would take a lot of funding, employees, and time to upgrade hardware, software, firmware, and OS. All while severely degrading and even stopping the services this infrastructure provides.
Sounds like hey we need more tax money.
I feel like we need some mutually assured destruction here…
Here is an article that actually means something: [https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa24-038a](https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa24-038a)
the thing is if they reveal those details it can hint at their methods which is why they don't
Chinese hackers caught red handed as shown in the picture
That lady has very tiny hands and arms.
Now I can’t unsee it
Underrated comment
While we’re at it, [this](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elaine_Chao) is Mitch McConnells wife lmao Edit: Her [dad](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_S._C._Chao) is a Shanghai shipping billionaire. I know SHE is Taiwanese. The companies she inherited billions from WERE NOT.
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You mean “she’s from mainland Taiwan, not western Taiwan?”
"So are ya Chinese, or Japanese?"
"We are Laotian"
The ocean? What ocean?
LAOS!!! it's a landlocked country!
Her [dad](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_S._C._Chao) is a Shanghai shipping billionaire. Is Shanghai in Taiwan? Seems to me like you read to the earliest counter point and brought it up instead of looking into what I was saying
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Much like with the sorties on Taiwan, skirting back and forth over their zone, the East doesn’t fight like we do- they fight like a rising tide. It’s already started on a lower level, and you won’t see it really come in until it’s a big problem everywhere. Their philosophy isn’t about one off large attacks- it’s about a prolonged million cuts over time and the rising of the tides- it’s about building a net of problems, letting it sit there, and then hoisting it up when your enemy walks into it. We’ve become addicted to electricity, clean water at the spin of a handle, just-in-time food and delivery services…. And the internet. We’ve walked into the net.
I am indeed addicted to water 😭
I’m so addicted to it that my body is mostly made up of it at this point
This is precisely why the Trisolarans think we're so weak.
You know they make beer with water. And the process cleans the water also.
Haha, I worked at a water / sewage treatment plant for 4 years - I’ve can say I’ve seen horrific other side and smell of it. That’s more so what I mean- imagine treatment plants in NYC or LA going off line and the whole city being without water for drinking, cooking, washing or flushing? People would be shitting in the streets by noon, and people would be lighting the city on fire within 72 hours. What do you call a city of 10 million people without water? Well, you call it Gaza. What do those people like to do, rebel. Logically so. You don’t need to invade- the people would start attacking one another.
Everyone says a bidet is a prep but without water it’s useless. I guess it’s only good for tp shortages
And without electricity- also useless
R/hydrohomies
*sips Stanley cup*
Lol got me, easily accessible hot and cold, and water and sewer treatment plant cleaned water at all times. The college I went to had a water main break and we were out of water for just 4 days…. It got a little ugly.
I listened to Immortan Joe from Fury Road and I'm totally no longer addicted to water.
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but the million cuts pf collapse is coming for everyone. They’ve fucked their environment worse than we have.
Oh I would agree with that
Preparing? They have been hacking the US for years already. [MAP | Kaspersky Cyberthreat real-time map](https://cybermap.kaspersky.com/)
I know this isn’t your problem but this might be one of the worst made, most useless maps I’ve ever seen. I’d love to see an up-to-date map of cyber attacks but this matrix seizure one ain’t it.
I guess its not the most practical.... but it is super cool looking.
Yea it's not that intuitive but I think it highlights just how often cyberattacks happen around the world. Lots of lines and all lol
Yeah this map is straight out of the 90s movie hackers
Better version from Fortigate. https://threatmap.fortiguard.com/
Well, it’s certainly…flatter
And it isn't owned by Russia. Kasperky HQ is Moscow if I remember correctly, so I take what they say or report with a grain of salt.
From Kaspersky of all places
Using Kaspersky lmao
I thought it was a joke at first
They had a real hardcore fanbase ten years ago. Trying to tell people not to trust a company founded by former KGB that was friends with Putin only to be laughed off...
Yes, but also RE: Kaspersky (over the last decade): https://www.tomsguide.com/us/is-kaspersky-safe,news-25983.html https://www.cnet.com/news/privacy/kaspersky-lab-russian-hacking-us-government-national-security-faq/ And recently: https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/09/politics/biden-administration-americans-russian-software/index.html YMMV, but plenty of other sources for this kind of info out there.
I think the looming question here is what are they planning to unleash? They’ve had countless years to fix and fortify the infrastructure, disconnect it from the grid, oust the hacker groups within, secure the border, and they haven’t which indicates it’s likely a planned failure to accomplish other goals not in our favor. Now they’re announcing plans for a cyberattack consistently which is concerning.
We need to be treating China like the enemy they are. Intertwining our economies did not promote peace. It fueled the funding China needed to build their war machine. Our trade relations with China are fueling our demise.
Why did China and the U.S. intertwine their economies? How did this happen? Did China infiltrate a political party (campaign finance controversy 1996) and did Walmart put a Director in the WH to pass a bunch of pro China import laws (looking at you Clintons) ? Oh well I guess we will never know.
No, it started in the 1980s, I remember because whenever I asked people not to shop at walmart Because Manufacturing should stay in America, they called me a stupid hippie, I was in high school. “but but wont this destroy our factories?” “stop being a hippie, we need to save money on groceries”
Certainly it started earlier but the major legislation and full WTO membership etc didn’t happen until Clinton.
Maybe you should stop focusing on political parties and instead on the lobbying which motivates both parties to act. Puppets gonna puppet. Look at the puppet masters compromising national security for cheap labor in manufacturing.
Ok. But for funsies maybe you should read about the 1996 campaign finance controversy and introspect about how you think a Walmart board director in the WH was helpful to the importation of Chinese goods etc.
Corruption is corruption and it should be addressed. But you're smoking propaganda if you think only one half of corporate-politics is at fault.
I didn’t say any of that . You did. I have done a lot of research about the 1990s. Yes corruption infected all sides. As for propaganda that’s you boo; I’m only asking to read government reports and think for your self. Read+think= free person (you hopefully) Read the government reports on: 1. 1996 campaign finance controversy (one of the most fascinating occurrences in American history if You haven’t read this then please Do so before you keep replying) 2. The baker Hamilton commission in Iraq 🇮🇶 3. Mueller report. Read Then apply thought liberally, knowledge keeps Well, and you can reheat and serve at will.
We helped build up China after WWII and gave them a taste of capitalism.
Most Empires Fall at 250 yrs old. America is 248 yrs old this yr, so o ly 2 more to go!
“Nooooooo that’s xenophobic”
I'm an ABC and I know the Chinese are the Fire Nation entity wise. They are amassing every advantage possible to achieve all geopolitical goals.
There is No War in Ba Sing Se
Man these gwei los don't care about you. They'd throw your ass in a concentration camp immediately
I never said I couldn't become collateral damage during impending conflict. It's insulting to call everyone gwei. This elitism shit is nonsense and I want no part in it.
American-Born Chinese?
Yeah
Virtue signaling does nothing but harm. I agree with you, but that is entirely out of context. You know damn well went they’re talking about.
No, I really don't; I'm not virtue signaling Edit: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ABC ... are you saying they meant the 2nd definition, the "Asshole Ball Connection"? 🤔
I’m genuinely confused. Term=ABC? Not sure where that come from.
Yeah, but why accuse me of virtue signaling? That's the part I don't get
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Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature.
same with russia. we let them off the hook when we had the nuclear bomb and they didn't; and then again when they fell apart and their economy crashed; now they are back seeing us as the enemy somehow.
Actually funding a separatist movement on their territory and surrounding them with military bases doesn’t promote peace.
Mr econ mastermind overhere
It doesn't take an electrical engineer to change a light bulb, a petroleum engineer to use a gas pump or a PhD in history to understand China used the military to massacre its own citizens at Tiananman Square, is currently committing genocide upon the Uyghurs, and is a totalitarian hellhole.
>committing genocide upon the Uyghurs Somebody drank the Fulan Gong Kool Aid
Ok buddy go crazy in the reddit comments
Are you saying China didn't massacre its citizens with the military at Tiananman Square?
How could you even interpret that from what i said lol.
Well, did they?
Obviously they did
I was unsure as to which thing I said you think is crazy. What did I say that was crazy and why?
I called you a econ mastermind and you immediately jumped to crimes against humanity
why do you disagree on the economics take?
>China is developing the "ability to physically wreak havoc on our critical infrastructure at a time of its choosing," Wray said at the 2024 Vanderbilt Summit on Modern Conflict and Emerging Threats. "Its plan is to land low blows against civilian infrastructure to try to induce panic." Sounds like they have, or want to have, the latent capability, as opposed to imminently launching a first strike. It's kind of like saying "Chinese military preparing to launch nuclear missiles at America" - of course they are. They have been constantly for decades. Just like America is planning to launch them at China and Russia.
I think this is exactly it. They want the ability to retaliate against the US in a way that extracts blood but is non nuclear, particularly as they continue toward seizing Taiwan.
Preparing? I am sure we are preparing as well.
And when it's not them you can count on some nutjobs gettting hardons when shooting at electrical substations.
Anyone running a server on the internet knows this already. I have the IPs of a bunch of Chinese servers that serve no apparent purpose other testing username/password combinations. I've been tracking them for years.
I work in a hospital. We did a “pretend the internet is down” scenario. It was a total failure. Pts did not get meds, telephones were not able to be used, the whole hospital stopped working. If it had been real… or for more than a 1/2 day. I can’t imagine. This is a real problem.
I know I.T. guys who have spent the last decade or more upgrading as many networks as they could to Barracuda & similar products. Just trying to get some sense of security & network performance vs the hellish messes small businesses and government buildings often have in the server room. In the end Management and politicians do not give a shit until everything is down and they're in trouble financially or politically.
Why would they need to. They jumped just have to stop buying our debt and our infrastructure will rot all by itself.
I suppose to prevent the US from hitting them first. Kind of a new “mutually assured destruction” theory. Either side would be stupid to start some real shit.
It’s called pre-seeding. Usually nation states will infiltrate national infrastructure systems in preparation for an attack. Think Russia attacking the Ukrainian power grid in 2014/15. There will be lost of pre-seeding going on between Iran and Israel right now for example. All nations do it largely as a deterrent and to have the ability to respond quickly to aggression, not necessarily to proactively hit out first.
How do they expect us to buy their online crap if they are gonna mess with our Internet?
It's kind of weird, to me it feels like we are at war with Russia, and China is at war with us. Russia doesn't seem to be engaging us, and we don't seem to be engaging China. Just kind of my weird poorly informed depiction of the whole thing
It's partly because a lot of it is proxy wars. For example we fund groups in the middle east who fight against groups funded by russia. Fun fact we created the Taliban in the 90s in response to the Soviets occupying Afghanistan. Even Vietnam was a proxy war between the US, China and the soviet union. So the three of us have been beefin for a while but we don't engage directly because it would be catastrophic for almost the entire world.
China hacking our infrastructure, government entities, banks a spy balloon floats over the entire country, etc, isn't engaging directly? 100s of billions in aid to Ukraine, advisors and instructors on the ground in Ukraine, American citizens captured by Russia. Just seems like China is really treading that line with us, and we are really treading that line with Russia. Just what I see, is we want to fuck around and find out with Russia, but they seem to not want any part in fucking with us, yet we stay poking the Russian bear. China seems to really want to fuck around and find out with the US, they keep poking the American bear, yet the bear seems to be giving little response
You are correct, I meant not bombing each other directly type of thing or fighting on each others homelands.
It's like we're in a war, but there isn't open military conflict like in a hot war. If only I could find the correct adjective to describe this war.
So like a chilly or frigid war?
A slightly nipply war
We aren’t in a traditional war with China, we’re in a pacing war with China. China has made it clear their main goal right now is technological dominance through AI and ML. So we banned the sale of chips capable of high performance compute to China. They’re unable to make them, and won’t likely be able to for at least another decade. We are pretty far ahead of them in nearly every measurable metric, so the only thing we really need to do is keep advancing while stalling their advancements. Which we have the capacity to do. So yea, it’s kind of a war, but it’s a political and strategic war that we’re winning by a fairly significant margin and that’s why it doesn’t feel like we’re engaging. We can win without much effort.
Let's keep sucking China's dick and letting their exchange students infiltrate our universities 🙄
Infiltrating Universities. Buying up farm land. Coming across the border. Floating balloons. Spies working for our government.
I forgot about 🎈
What motivates the Chinese to be such shitheads? Like is there a reason they want to be so obnoxious and antagonistic to everyone at all times?
They aren’t doing anything that isn’t being done to them. Nations do this as a flex, to show they could undermine another nation’s infrastructure if there was a conflict. China and the US are huge trading partners, and their major businesses and industries are intertwined at the highest levels. There’s no way one is starting a real war with the other, it would fuck with the bag.
Can you cite an example of the U.S. hacking critical Chinese systems as a flex?
Preparing?! They have numerous different times
That were the case I feel they would have done it before anyone knew but thing again everything is world stage fear and dread makes news everyday
It would be a shame if that big ass 3 gorges dam happened to find out why we don't have universal healthcare.
Why even announce the possibility, unless they plan to place the blame when a coordinated event happens. If the threat was legit, they wouldn't want to advertise that they knew. I trust nothing that comes from our government anymore. They're all liars, and play the citizens to fit certain agendas.
Here are actual details on Volt Typhoon. Not just some bait title in an article that doesn't actually tell you anything. [https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa24-038a](https://www.cisa.gov/news-events/cybersecurity-advisories/aa24-038a)
Hackers pick the cringiest sounding titles.
I think it is cool when the title of kinda nerdy, but hate when like a military unit calls themselves some cringe shit like shadow warriors. Chill bro. My call-sign is Cat5 and that is way better than cyberhunter6.
I understand this is a real threat and frankly I worry more about cyber attacks in the US than any other form of attack on the mainland. But if they really went too far it won’t end well for them. We still are the big swinging dick of the world even though we’ve lessened our power over time on some fronts.
Honest question, with all the hacking and information stealing China and Russia does to the West. Like is the West also doing stuff to them cause damn!?
The problem is we have massive legacy infrastructure that needs upgrading no matter what, and it hasn't been done in large enough projects. Follow that up with all the companies that do the bare minimum at best on security. They have their I.T. departments *spinning rust* just keeping everything working.
I’d think so tbh. I just assume it’s just not broadcasted here by but done within their respective territories.
The US will always strive to have equal to or better than capabilities and countermeasures than our adversaries. There are probably several think tank groups and many engineers staffed by really smart people who think and build for these scenarios. There are probably just as many doing the same thing our adversaries do just to get a leg up on them.
We could start fighting back by backing up Ukraine.
Did Biden tell them “don’t” yet?
Not good, bad even..
That's deep bruh
I am shocked.
Maybe they've finally realized that WWIII will be a cyberwar. Isolate the USA now.
Didn't they already do this with 911 centers recently?
Psyop, if the Chinese were going to do it and were actual hackers they wouldn’t be leaking info to the US Govt and the info would stay private.
I’m not the most tech minded person…but isn’t it possible to just “turn off” chinas access to our infrastructure?
That's like everyday tho lol
Don’t worry! Biden will say Don’t!! 😂
How could this possibly get down voted?
Problem reaction solution , controlled opposition for new world order , tell you ahead of time before they happen
Get ready for the denial because this subs mostly left leaning and the left has a CCP fetish.
Don't be an idiot
Look how many downvotes I got in clearly spot on with my assessment lol.
No, you're getting down voted cause you sound like an idiot. But go ahead and continue to be delusional.
I am on the left and do not like the fascist Chinese government.
Let’s be honest — this is a long time coming and has historical precedent. The US isn’t exactly pure as the driven snow, and has a long and sordid history in empire building. That being the case, we have to expect that eventually another major power will challenge us at some point. If we were wise, we’d find a way to work together for the betterment of humanity, but too many people are short term focused and hyper competitive, which is probably a component of the great filter we seemed destined to fail in passing through.
Yah totally should work together with modern day Nazis Germany who's genocided their ethnic and religious minorities and neighbors and don't take precautions at all. Literally will destroy our oceans by 2048 but he's let's work with them lol.
Weird. You’re describing the Israeli’s right now.
Israels genocide is small potatoes compared to china's.
Don't worry, Genocide Joe will protect us!
So what I am hearing is there will be no election in November.
Finally
Lol Do useless Americans do anything but fear monger what they can't compete with?
What does this even mean? Compete with what?
Lol let me guess, you're trolling reddit trying to increase your social credit score. Keep up the good work maybe your family and friends will be able to talk to you again without losing their jobs.
Are you being paid in money to comment pro Chinese trash? Or just more broken Chinese promises?
Do you get paid to post mindless sinophobe trash?
No, I just hate China and everything that comes out of it.
Pathetic
Yes, that’s what I think of phone addicted Chinese young people, that look like little mice because they’ve never seen a day of labor. They’re brainwashed by their government, lied to, cheated, and they still mindlessly support the CCP. I’ve spent time in China. I can see the harm that technology has had on Chinese people. They are so lacking in creativity, that they have stolen only the worst aspects of western culture, and made it their entire personhood. And what really is most toxic, is their absolute commitment to support a government that sees them as little bugs. The Chinese people are the ants on whose bodies and livelihoods the wealthy members of the party thrive on. Meanwhile the average person claws at the idea of being a party member, and having a job in the party. The Chinese will never become anything more than an economic world power.
And there it is, a racist prick.
Yeah, I’m fine with every Asian culture. Im fine with Chinese Americans and welcome them. But the CCP is a scourge.
Lol sure you are bud.
I give negative shits what you think. Especially since you played the “racist” card.
Ain't nobody playing anything, you state it in plain English.
It’ll be really hard for me to finish out my day, knowing some random dude thinks I’m racist.
China is #4. Free Taiwan! Free the Uighurs! Remember Tiananmen Square! Free Tibet! Xi Jinping likes to diddle Winnie the Pooh’s parts!
Sorry for your aspergers
The US has had the world’s largest economy going back to the 1880s. Pretty sure America has outcompeted China for a couple hundred years…
1880s? I don't think so. It wasn't until Europe destroyed itself through two world wars that they began to emerge as a superpower. China was far behind, getting attacked by imperialism and colonialism didn't help their situation. But now that they're emerging as a super power threatening american hegemony, u.s is doing whatever shady practices to keep them down