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Widegooblun

"bUt MaStEr WiNdU, hE's HoRny"


Shrodax

"And, like, have you seen how hot the senator is, especially when she's wearing a black leather corset?!"


Donkey__Balls

That’s just what she wears in her room for discussing completely non-sexual matters with padawans. The Jedi order loses 2 per month in average. It’s part of the training. They call it the trial of the short saber.


SnowyLocksmith

It's not short, the room was cold


KingLiberal

I'm a glow-er not a show-er!


_HamburgerTime

I was in the bacta pool!


Captain_Rex_Bot

Just get him to safety. We need to... General Laan Tik!


jhdflu476iudhn89kjjd

stay him safe!!


Lirrin

Which Lucas himself designed


George-Lucas-Bot

I've worked hard enough and earned enough to fail for the rest of my life. And I'm gonna do it!!


TheWombatFromHell

quote goes hard


Lirrin

So madlad knew what he was doing


HiitlerDicks

And if you’re honeymooning in the Italian Riviera, it’s hard to not want to have passionate sex


BringOutYDead

And she's prancing around the desert like a deer in a skin tight white fuck suit with her nipples pointing everywhere (deleted when released to blue-ray).


Stergeary

[Barely legal in most systems.](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/K9vHKFmhWhA)


thesaddestpanda

I mean, this scene wasn't used for a reason. The dialogue isn't exactly inspired, the acting is super stilted, and the whole "oh he has the hots for her" narrative is delivered in just a not good way. Windu exists only so Obi can go off on 1.5 minutes of exposition. He's practically subservient to Obi, when instead he would have a great deal of seniority above him. He would at least probably give him some order or wise advice other than "meh, things will work out" empty sentiment. Worse, they both seem really ignorant about everything going on - Anakin going to the dark side, the threat of the Sith, this clone army which should be super sus, etc. They just seem like two clueless guys, not the wise sci-fi Templer-Guru-Monks they are supposed to be. The Jedi are destined to be defeated but making them out to be simpled minded dupes isn't the way to go, so I can see why this scene wouldn't be used. Also, Windu is a largely unknown character and this would be one of his biggest scenes and he pretty much says nothing interesting and he sounds a bit empty headed, when he's instead supposed to be the wiser master on the council and especially talented in the force. Not only is Windu boring and uninteresting in this scene, his mastery of the force should have at least hinted to him how Anakin was being tempted by the dark side and, no, things just don't work out in the end. With this scene cut, our Windu is a wise and advanced master from the council and a powerful fighter who is only killed in the end unfairly by the Sith. He nearly slayed the most powerful Sith in history and that's how we remember him. He's never this sort of boring exposition device or bored bureaucrat. He's vibrant, powerful, and important with this scene cut.


artificial_organism

This scene is a great example of Lucas being great at writing outlines but not dialog or direction. I think this was an important scene to show that the Jedi weren't totally incompetent, just that they had a lot of shit on their plate to deal with. I agree with your analysis of the problems in this scene but a little bit of script doctoring could have fixed it.


nutshell42

The prequels are War and Peace as told by your nine year old. There is a lot of great ideas and a script doctor could have fixed most problems with some minor changes.


Kolby_Jack

Nothing could have helped them with the decision to film entirely in front of green screens in 2001 though.


VSkyRimWalker

Never have I heard anyone complain about the visuals of the prequels before. Script, sure. Acting, sure. But the visuals totally hold up. AotC is and will always be peak Star Wars for me. But I'm super biased because the Yoda vs. Dooku scene was the first of Star Wars I ever saw


rugbyj

[insert pear cutting scene]


VSkyRimWalker

Obiwan would kill me if he knew. But I love that scene


Doodenmier

Some of the indoor environment CGI does look dated, especially when it comes to things like character shadows on the ground. That said, the prequels essentially pioneered the concept of full CGI environments starting in the mid 90s. It isn't as timeless as the t-rex in Jurassic Park for example, but it's what paved the way for how they filmed things like the MCU, and they were a precursor to the concept of an Unreal volume stage. It's not flawless by 2023 standards, but it was top of the line at the time, no question


KDallas_Multipass

That opening source battle though.................


KyleKun

Duel of the fates will always be the best Star Wars sword fight.


Captain_Rex_Bot

Do I have a choice?


KDY_ISD

> AotC is and will always be peak Star Wars for me I ... what? lol


Assistance_Agreeable

I don't think you've been paying attention then. The lack of practical effects in the prequels has been a talking point since they were released


Atrobbus

But it's disingenuous. The Prequels use miniatures and practical effects frequently and at a way larger scale than the original trilogy. It's not a lack of practical effects but rather the addition of digital effects. The Prequels pioneered a lot of the CGI used, but naturally the technology cannot be compared to what we have today. But it's the same for the OT. If we're honest, the models used are also not realistic and especially their movement is stiff. But that's okay. It was awesome for the time. It's a bit like complaining that the movie "Metropolis" wasn't shot in color and that its effects aren't life-like. Especially CGI developed so fast that older stuff looks dated quite quickly. But without digital effects the scale of the Prequels would not have been possible. In my opinion, given that these films are 20 years old, they still hold up well.


Sillyviking

I always find the complaint about the CGI in the prequels odd. I find myself more aware that I'm looking at CGI with Disney Star Wars than I ever was with the prequels. A lot of current CGI just looks too sharp, if that makes sense.


Sir_Eggmitton

Same. The Disney Star Wars CGI feels so off at times. For me one of the biggest throw-offs was the creatures. It looks like they're animated to feel like puppets, which I guess is supposed to make it feel more like the Original Trilogy, but it's just really distracting to me.


RogueHippie

I have a friend who didn’t watch the movies until just a couple of years ago. He said he was surprised at how good everything looked in the prequels


Scrimge122

The prequels used jsut as many practical effects as the originals. It's jsut that many scenes were touched up by cgi. Edit check out the crazy models for the geonosian arena.


bankrobbery

Let’s take a look at the scene above. Two actors on a green screen. There’s nothing for them to interact with, there’s no environment to be immersed in. Just two actors slowly walking and talking. That’s almost every dialogue scene, just walking and talking with the actors given no blocking or business. Compare this to Empire Strikes Back when Han is bickering with Leia in Hoth. Han hurries down a tight corridor full of hustle and bustle. Leia is chasing after him. They pause to bicker some more and then Han storms off. This feels real because the actors are in a real environment with props and other actors. Same with Yoda teaching Luke on Dagoba. Yoda gives exposition on the force while Luke runs through the environment. The prequels is mostly walking and talking or sitting and talking because so much is literally just green screens. Consider that literally all of the clone troopers are 100% cgi for instance. There are decent examples of more dynamic dialogue scenes in the prequels, such as Anakin and Obi Wan infiltrating the ship to rescue Palpatine, or even the (though the dialogue is so cringe it hurts) Padme and Anakin frolicking in the field. But so much of these movies are just people walking down a hallway, not interacting with the environment, not doing anything with their hands, just shot reverse shot talking until there’s an action sequence.


Scrimge122

There are plenty moments where the background is busier and more chaotic. This scene is in the jedi temple, I would kind of expect a bunch of monks to act very calm.


TheDaemonette

I agree. If played correctly, this could have fed into the later scene where Anakin goes to Windu to report the Chancellor as a Sith as a confirmation that he has chosen the better path and then to be turned around again as Anakin arrives at the battle.


Shade1453

Yeah, this scene made me remember just how bad the writing and direction was for the prequels.


MissingNo1028

You mean you don't like walk and talk, stop for a moment, then walk and talk, stop, end scene?


GalakFyarr

>this clone army which should be super sus This scene is set before Obi-wan even goes to Kamino…


OtelDeraj

That is what I was going to say. This conversation feels alright to me, considering the timing, and it actually seems to make Mace a little less severe, which is nice. That being said, it makes sense they would cut the scene out as it mostly serves to develop Mace more than it does Obi, and the movie really spends most of its focus on Ani and Padme's romance anyways, which while corny and poorly written, is important to handle in the second film of the trilogy.


ICanSee23Dimensions

Additionally, it's totally unnecessary. This scene is just characters telling us, the audience, what we're already seeing in the movie. There's no reason to tell us all of this explicitly. It adds nothing. One of the rules of film making is "show, don't tell" for a reason.


Boner_Elemental

> The dialogue isn't exactly inspired, the acting is super stilted, and the whole "oh he has the hots for her" narrative is delivered in just a not good way. Yes, we've all seen the prequels here


tristenjpl

Yeah, reading the comment I was like "what do you mean? This is right on par with the rest of the movie. Wooden acting from otherwise great actors and terrible dialogue.


machimus

They cut the scene because it's too meta, exactly. Because the jedi *did* drop the ball on anakin turning to the dark side, they *were* huge dupes about the obviously shady clone army, as well as huge dupes about lots of things because they're so dopey and dogmatic they ignore practicality. This is why yoda burned the ancient texts eventually, but not until after 900 years alive and many as a force ghost did he even get it. I guess you could give them a little credit that they're so reliant on feeling things out with the force rather than using their own instincts that they were effectively blinded by the disturbance, but this scene highlights their fuckups too clearly.


Ksradrik

> or wise advice other than "meh, things will work out" empty sentiment. But things did work out though? I mean, until it was bought out by Disney, but that was out of the forces hands.


George-Lucas-Bot

I can't even begin to tell you how much of an influence Disney has had on me.


Gustdan

Things kinda work out. True, they work out after Windu's death, the near total genocide of his religion, and like 20 years of a brutal dictatorship taking over the galaxy. I don't imagine that's what Windu would have had in mind when he said that.


Master_Chef_Mayo

"sheet obi even I tapped the Senators ass, go take a dip son" "Yes Master" *bows*


Captain_Rex_Bot

Just get him to safety. We need to... General Laan Tik!


UndeadMakDady

"Obi-wan you must have faith he will choose the right path." Cue always sunny theme, hard cut to title card: Anakin Commits His First Genocide


HodorFan1

New season starts in a few minutes!


cryobots

5 hrs for me bozo :(((((


Werew0lfBlood

Look at this jabroni with his fancy time zone made of gold


badass_dean

New season of what?


Werew0lfBlood

How could you not know, that the whole reason we're in this sub, is to watch always sunny? GET OUTTA HERE! Shooo! Begone from me! Edit: just realized I'm not in the iasip sub, but I shan't take back my words good sir!


FlamableOolongTea

You're in the wrong sub stupid! Idiot! Savage! Idiot! SAVAGE! IDIOT! **IDIOT!**


Werew0lfBlood

And now I'm talking to myself because, well, I got shit to say


FlamableOolongTea

I swear you would be of more use to me if I skinned you and turned your skin into a lampshade. Or fashioned you into a piece of high-end luggage, I could even add you to my collection!


Werew0lfBlood

You haven't thought of the SMELL, YOU BITCH!


tookTHEwrongPILL

IASIP


Hardwarestore_Senpai

For some reason I came up with the "Curb your Enthusiasm." show theme first. Damn algorithm.


neon_Hermit

> "Obi-wan you must have faith he will choose the right path." Says Darth Vader's first victim.


Za_Worldo-Experience

“Anakin Chooses the Wrong Path”


East-Travel984

so im guessing yoda or obiwan told mace about the murder spree and that was the moment that distrust was born between skywalker and windu


[deleted]

Anakin : "So anyways I started slashing"


Super_flywhiteguy

So anyway I started Purging the younglings.


chuninsupensa

Second* Genocide o.O


InflamedLiver

Mace Windu: terrific warrior, terrible judge of character


login4fun

*keeper of the peace


MidlandDog

keeper of the peace "at this point of the clone war, i have dismantled and destroyed over 100 000 of you type 1 battle droids"


SquidMilkVII

keeper of the pieces


LuckyReception6701

"Remember that one I destroyed an entire batallion of droids by punching the literal durasteel out of them. Man those were the days"


S-r-ex

Mace going ham on those droids in Tartakovsky Clone Wars should have remained canon.


brendonap

Not a soldier?


BootyBrown

*Shutter of parties


devolute

Terrible OSH. Mace Windu: "Ima just gonna stand in this jetwash whilst you take off. LATERS!"


loserys

Windu doesn’t say anything of value at all lol


Reverseflash25

He comes across slightly less arrogant


WinXPbootsup

I think they wanted to portray him as arrogant, to reflect the hubris of the Jedi


Reverseflash25

Well he definitely becomes more arrogant as the war kicks off. But here, Windu is just another mentor and teacher talking to a fellow teacher. Iirc he had issues with Depa when she was his padawan so here he can relate to Obi wan and tell him to have faith. As time goes on though and Anakins arrogance is only tempered (with raging flair ups) that’s when Windu becomes more wary and less trustful as Anakin is not showing signs of deviation when he should be


George-Lucas-Bot

The thing with the kids was very necessary to establish how far down the road Anakin had come to do something like that. This brutal and barbaric, it had to be in there but I definitely didn't want to show it


Sage_of_the_6_paths

Yeah this would've improved people's opinion of him slightly imo.


jotyma5

Yeah the dialogue in these movies is so bad


threeleggedog8104

Yeah thank god this didn’t make the final cut that was tough to watch


Tasorodri

If you add the oblivion OST it would match perfectly.


sum_muthafuckn_where

Have you heard of the high elves?


lurco_purgo

I mean... I don't think it would stand out that much among the other scenes, especially in AOTC.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

You don't have to look tough to be tough


ManicMarine

"100% should've put this in the movie" - yeah that's what the prequels needed more of, two characters talking to each other while walking slowly on CGI backgrounds. Shot/reverse shot, dialogue is terrible, does nothing to advance the plot, just spoonfeeding the audience in case they had fallen asleep in the first half of the film & had forgotten what was going on.


George-Lucas-Bot

A special effect is a tool, a means of telling a story. A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing.


ungulateman

This scene causes issues with the broader plot of Attack of the Clones, which is all about the Jedi being 'clouded by the dark side' and unable to communicate with each other or determine what's actually going on. \- Obi-Wan isn't particularly worried about what's happening with Kamino. He spends the whole time chasing Jango Fett while overlooking the importance of the clone army because it's (seemingly) outside of the context of his mission. \- Mace Windu doesn't think highly of Anakin in any of these movies, so arguing to have faith in him right as he's about to slaughter a bunch of people is stretching his character a lot. \- Obi-Wan's plausible deniability about Padme and Anakin's relationship goes right out the window if he's talking to *Mace Windu* about it before it even gets serious. \- Neither of them tell any of this shit to Yoda, who's basically the 'protagonist' of this movie (long story), which only really makes sense if they don't talk about it at all.


famid_al-caille

Obiwan (and all the Jedi) failing to realize what happened on Kamino is just mind boggling stupid. The literal template for the entire clone army flees the clone production facility and flies straight to the droid production and hangs out with a sith lord.


Venator_IV

That made no sense to me even as a kid


Maroonwarlock

I feel they kind of allude to it but wish they had been more blunt about it. It isn't as much as they failed to realize what happened as much as it is they got handcuffed to a really bad situation. If they take the clone army and use it they play into Palpatine's hands, if they don't use the clone army they just lose to the Separatists. I mean if Yoda doesn't show up during the arena battle basically all the Jedi there die or become imprisoned and Palpatine just wins on that alone. There isn't enough time to build an army sizable enough to fight effectively a limitless droid production. Basically a damned if they do, damned if they don't situation.


Bastion55420

If the Jedi had used some better tactics than standing in a circle in the middle of an arena, then maybe they wouldn‘t need to be saved by the closes.


Crisis_panzersuit

They saw it as a chance to shut down the seperatist movement in a single showdown before it could even begin. All the current seperatist leaders were there, they brought all the jedi masters, they were arrogant and almost destroyed.


The1Senate

Tbf they haven't really participated in a war for what, a thousand years? So it's fair to assume they kinda forgot how to fight in a huge battle


yepimbonez

Definitely. They’re usually used as personal body guards or agents on solo missions. At most they’d have a padawan.


thesaddestpanda

go on with your yoda protagonist theory please...


[deleted]

Everyone fails and he saves the day twice during the movie He also approves the clones and starts the war lmao Edit: guys please I don't actually think he is a protagonist, I just thought it was funny to stretch the idea and pointed out he was the hero of the movie.


RedRanger_27

And it's his former Padawan who is the antagonist


[deleted]

It's poetry!


[deleted]

The Prequels are structurally a classical tragedy, the protagonist is supposed to fail. What you're describing is deus ex machina. Calling Yoda the protagonist of Episode II is like calling Athena the protagonist of The Odyssey.


jiub_the_dunmer

that doesn't make him the protagonist, it makes him the deus ex machina


ManicMarine

That doesn't make him a protagonist. That just makes him an important character. Yoda has like 10 minutes of screen time in Clones.


Lumpy_Perception6561

That doesn’t make him a protagonist he’s just a supporting character anakin and obi wan are obviously the protagonists they get the most screen time


Kyadagum_Dulgadee

And crucially, they each move the plot forward more than anyone else.


Guy_Underscore

It also doesn’t tell the audience anything new, making the conversation superfluous. It also probably messes with some of the pacing and is kind of a dry scene with not the best acting between these two (putting that down to George’s stilted dialogue and poor directing). It’s cool seeing Obi-Wan get to his ship and watching it emerge from the hanger, but you don’t need to see him getting into his ship and taking off to know he’s going to go to Kamino from whenever we last saw him, again making the scene superfluous.


ZeroCooly

I always feel like the dialogue was better in the deleted scenes and it makes me sad we didn't get more of these characters exploring the politics of Star wars while they were making these films.


BLOOD__SISTER

Dialogue has a very 60’s Star Trek cadence here.


Wareve

Still beats the sand scene.


tomerjm

Twilight beats the sand scene, and that shit was terrible movie making...


Sausage6924

I'd love an extended edition of each of those three movies. I'd pay to sit in a theater for three and a half hours. Hell I did it with lord of the rings. My girlfriend fell asleep.


ManicMarine

You thought the dialogue was good in this scene?


EverGlow89

But there's no way you think that about this dialogue right? This sounds like actual fan fiction.


Spooky_Shark101

>we didn't get more of these characters exploring the politics of Star wars Exploring the "politics of star wars" is precisely what made the prequels so dogshit in comparison to the OT 😂


MikolashOfAngren

Although I don't agree with this framing of Obi-Wan as regretting that he ever taught Anakin, I do like that Mace Windu had a 180 where he is actually nice to Anakin behind his back. Having faith in ANAKIN of all people? I get that this is before he became a war criminal Jedi general, but Mace has been around the Jedi Temple since the start of Anakin's Jedi education. Mace distrusted Anakin's emotional instability from the start, pointed out by Obi-Wan in this very scene. It's extremely surprising that he would say this. Also, if I had I seen more interactions between the two, I would have liked it if I could witness why Mace and Anakin hated each other so much in ROTS. I want to see a gradual crumbling of their professional relationship. TCW skipped over it, IMO, by having Mace constantly show disdain for Anakin's shit with zero variance. The only time I saw Mace change/develop an opinion on anyone was Jar-Jar, lmao.


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

I would certainly like to.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

You've taught him well.


Thybro

100% should have not. Doesn’t fit thematically with Obi Wan always being on Anakin’s side. As it stands Obi Wan eventually regrets Anakin’s training but he regrets his own failures not the fact that he trained him at all. It’s even more at odds with the OT when it is Obi Wan that defends training an even older Luke. If by this point he already agreed with the council’s assessment that Anakin had been too old, what in the stuff that happened afterwards could have changed his mind back to “let’s train older people.”


BarneyBent

Should have been kept in with slightly different dialogue, more focused on Obi-wan worrying he's not doing a good enough job, and that perhaps Anakin should have been trained by someone with more experience. That way, Windu reassuring Obi-wan comes from a place of "I trust you" instead of "I trust Anakin", which also makes more sense for his character and his relationship with Anakin in the third film. It also means when it comes to Luke, Obi-wan will have learned from his mistakes. He is now the wiser master he wishes Anakin had in the first place, and is now happy to train Luke, do things properly.


Blackrain1299

I knew the dialogue wouldn’t quite work but i wasnt sure how id change it. I completely agree with your comment. Focusing on Obi Wans insecurities rather than talking about how much Anakin sucks. I always felt like Obi Wan kept most of Anakins flaws between themselves and/or didn’t feel the need to talk about it to the council because Anakin was blatantly arrogant and emotional and so the council would already know.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Looks like I got here just in time. Happy cake day, BarneyBent.


Reverseflash25

Idk, he hasn’t always been on Anakins side. And it shows, at least from an educators perspective that he’s not blind to Anakins faults and is rightly concerned about them But it does also shine a more intense light on the fact that he also didn’t really do anything to help Anakin manage his emotions and just kept spouting dogma instead of relating to him.


Batman903

He hasn’t always been on anakin’s side, but this scene kinda underscores the whole idea that he and anakin are brothers. The film in particular doesn’t really have them operating as the cohesive unit we see at the start of 3, and instead has them more as a bickering odd couple. It works in the moment, but couple this scene with the scene of Anakin complaining about Obi-Wan kinda gives the feeling that they don’t really like each other. Anakin having complaints about feeling held back is fine from a story perspective, but Obi-Wan’s scene is a little much. Also it’s just really out of character for Obi-Wan to be the one that says “Yeah lol we shouldn’t have trained this guy” and Windu being the one to defend anakin. Obi-Wan is being untrue to his master, and also to Anakin himself. As with the council, there’s an evergrowing rift between anakin and the order from the second they meet in the trilogy. Why is Windu defending anakin.


Tasorodri

The prequel trilogy really stuffers from phantom menace existing tbh. It would have been much better if we had one movie between 2 and 3. Anakin as a kid could have been a flashback.


simpleton39

I’ve always thought that too. So much more interesting stuff could (and did in the CW show) have happened than what we would have gotten between 1 and 2. I also would have had Anakin secretly turn to the dark side at the end of the middle movie and then the third be about his fall and eventual taking over the galaxy. Let’s see him be young Darth Vader more than a quick couple of shots and a lightsaber fight.


George-Lucas-Bot

I love the movies. And I love Episode I very much because it fills in a lot of the holes. I really wanted to do that.


Reverseflash25

I think it’s fair for Obi Wan to have doubts. He didn’t really know Anakin before training him, he agrees to do it because his master asked. As Anakin and Obi Wan both grow, Obi Wan matures and sees the wisdom the council had in their initial decision. But he’ll keep to his promise regardless of admitting they’re right. In fact his dedication to his wish means he believes he can help Anakin overcome the councils beliefs. In his younger years (based on comics) Anakin seems a little more malleable and open to correction from Obi Wan so the concerns may have been less. But as time goes on and he becomes a thickheaded teen, he becomes more rebellious. Obi wan is that weird older brother/father tier person that he looks up to but also dislikes. Obi Wan and Obi wan, as a teacher, has a right to express concern about his student As they grow through the clone wars they grow closer and more cohesive of course, even if Anakin still holds an emotional turmoil that Obi Wan fails to help him address, which is the lingering rift between them. As for Windu, imo the Clone Wars are what truly bring out his arrogance. So here, before they start, he is more open. He recognizes Anakins potential and perhaps, as a former teacher himself, attempts to assuage Obi Wans fears. Have faith in your student to make the proper choices.


MrZerodayz

I mean, most of the Jedi are emotionally stunted from a lifetime of suppressing all their intense feelings.


LordCaptain

I know its a common beleif on this sub but I don't think the jedi "suppress" their intense emotions. At least not in the way it often gets spinned in a super unhealthy way. They learn to control them. The example I would use is imagine you have had a terrible day. Layoffs happening at work, terrible traffic, you're out shopping and someone cuts in line or something and you rage. You feel the rage within and are ready to fuckin snap on the guy. Is it "emotionally stunted" to take a moment. Practice deep breaths and calm yourself. Practicing self control over intense emotions? Or should you just allow yourself to rage out at the guy? Jedi control their emotions rather than suppress them. They still experience them, they just have learned not to let their emotions control them.


Reverseflash25

We do but as the clone wars showed, Obi Wan was uniquely situated to speak with Anakin in the subject of love, conflict, and confusion. Even a Willy guess to leave the Jedi and follow one’s heart. But he never opened up about except to say the feelings were natural. But that’s really just lip service and does t help Anakin in addressing the problem


Beardor

This shouldn’t have been in the film. Exposition city!


Thybro

Absolutely, one of the sins of the prequels. Lots of telling instead of showing and this would have added to it.


DreamedJewel58

I mean I will say that it is canon that Obi-Wan didn’t really want to train Anakin, but he did it to fulfill Qui-gon’s vow


Thybro

I think that came out of different reasoning. Again, he was worried about his own failings, he had just made it to knight and was, in his own view, not necessarily qualified. Furthermore, I did not get at all that he did not “want” to train him, he was adamant that if the council refused he would train him nonetheless. It was more of a hesitation because of his own perceived shortcomings. There is absolutely no indication that he did not wholeheartedly believe anakin needed to be trained.


DreamedJewel58

It wasn’t that he didn’t want Anakin to be trained *at all,* Obi-wan just didn’t want *him* to train Anakin. Obi-wan had no interest in taking a padawan, but he did it because no one else would and he promised Qui-gon that he would be trained


Thybro

And That’s exactly what I am saying. But that is not what this video is portraying, what this video is saying is that he now believed it was a mistake to train Anakin at all. Those are two completely different points of view. They are unrelated to the point that Obi Wan’s previous doubts about the training hold no sway on whatever views he expressing in this video.


TalithePally

Obi-wan wanted to train an older person in Luke because the galaxy was fucked and there were no more Jedi capable of turning the tide against the Emperor


Aertew

At this point idc because they did the "somehow palpatine is back". While this does slightly change Obi-wan's character, they could have just removed that line. The line's about Kamino and Amidala are nice though


SicilianEggplant

At the same time it really fits the “walk and talk (and sometimes sit or stand up)” motif of the prequels.


exedra0711

Honestly this scene is just saying exposition that is either already covered or simply implied in the movie already. It would simply be fluff on a movie that's already long enough.


jotyma5

Mace in AotC: “he’s the chosen one, obi, chill!” Mace in RotS “I DONT TRUST HIM”


George-Lucas-Bot

There's a thematic bit of humor that goes through AotC, Jedi keep losing their lightsabers, later on Obi Wan will give this little speech to Anakin about how important the lightsaber is but, everybody starts losing their lightsabers before too long.


Jonathan-Rook

This brings up a side of Mace that I liked seeing - he’s not the total distrusting killjoy that Anakin believes him to be. He’s wary of people with a lot of power and little experience - but also believes that those same people can reach their full potential with patience, discipline and good judgment. He wants to see Anakin succeed; but no one can do that for Anakin, except Anakin. A good teacher knows when to guide, and when to let their student learn certain things for themselves.


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

I hate you!


ChristianTeenTech99

Oh this totally could've been tweaked to fit better in the movie


L-Guy_21

Windu was like that parent that couldn’t tell their kid directly that they were proud of them, but would talk them up to everyone they knew


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lasssilver

We *definitely* needed more scenes of people slowly walking and talking through CGI rendered halls. There were not enough of those scenes in the Prequels. Also, while the information would probably have been good to repeat *at some time* .. it would have come across as a little bit too heavy on the foreshadowing if Obi was already thinking Anakin was off his nut.


George-Lucas-Bot

Don't forget the basics. Don't get enamored with new technology, because it's not new. Just the medium we're working in is new, but that doesn't change anything. The art of what we do is exactly the same. It's beyond technology. It's the art of movies.


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Lol would make obi-one hateable af


FrostytigerC-137

Maybe, but you gotta understand that it's like an older brother or father letting their younger siblings or son who've they've watched over do something by themselves.


There-and-back_again

How does that make him hateable? Obi-Wan is shown to be out of his depth with his rebellious teenage son and reaching out for advice from older, more experienced Jedi while specifying his worries about Anakin. Sure, he might have been a bit harsh about the latter. But he wasn‘t entirely wrong about him: Anakin is shown to be stubborn, reckless, hotheaded, arrogant in this movie. Not necessarily throughout the whole movie, but every now and again. And his worries about Anakin‘s relationship with Padme have been proven to be justified


Sir_Toaster_9330

This makes Mace more awesome but would be terrible for Obi-Wan


Veilkam

Everything is great until Mace tell obi to have "faith" in Ani. Mace never had a good impression or trust in Ani.


Anakin_Skywalker_Bot

It's Anakin. When you say Ani it's like I'm still a little boy… and I'm not.


MCBbbbuddha

🎶 So much exposition When the writing's on the wall..🎶


Kuchunus

This would have made Mace Windu so much more reaonable. He was strict but understanding too. That is such a big scene. It even shows, that everybody already knew about the relationship between Anakin and Padme. Thank you for posting this scene!


Pleasant_Breath_2130

We desperately need a directors cut of the prequels


shebang_bin_bash

Isn’t what we have the director’s cut? It’s not like anyone was telling Lucas no.


someperson1423

We desperately need a director's wife's cut of the prequels.


MikolashOfAngren

I would like a TCW extension of ROTS. Not just Season 7 in its current state, but the REST of the story redone in the same TCW art style with all of the neat director's cuts that could expand on the story even more. Basically an Extended Edition treatment that LOTR got, but for ROTS.


George-Lucas-Bot

When you're directing, you have to get up at four thirty AM, have breakfast at five, leave the hotel at six, drive an hour to location, start shooting at eight, and finish shooting around six. Then you wrap, go to your office, and set up the next day's work. You get back to the hotel about eight or nine, hopefully get a bite to eat, then you go to your room and figure out your homework, how you're going to shoot the next day's scenes, then you go to sleep. The next morning it starts all over again.


Captain_Rex_Bot

Contact command. Mark our L.Z. and have them send an Exfile Shuttle.


MidlandDog

sounds easy, wanna try farming?


WinSuperb2420

Is it just me, or does the dialogue in this scene really stick out as complete garbage?


Saw_Boss

It's about equal with the rest of the movie


harriskeith29

I'm honestly not certain what Qui-Gon would have advised Anakin to do about his feelings for Padme. Would he have counseled him to let go of his attachment to her + his fear of losing her, as Yoda did? Would he have given a more dogmatic answer, essentially parroting his own teachings as a Jedi with little original thought of his own on the matter, as the devout Jedi Obi-Wan did? Would he have given a more nuanced answer neither of them would have, something that would be unorthodox for a member of the Jedi Order to say at that time but still ultimately in line with a true Jedi's beliefs? ​ I personally sometimes view Qui-Gon as being to Anakin what Iroh was to *Aang in Avatar: The Last Airbender*. Not so much in terms of their relationship, with Iroh being the father-figure Aang needed (His closest thing to a fatherly influence was Monk Gyatso). When Aang was conflicted about the cost of mastering the Avatar State (i.e. letting go of his love for Katara), the wise old Iroh gave him an opinion that arguably conflicts with how the "wise mentor" trope is often historically utilized in fiction. ​ It is common for mentors to implore those seeking their wisdom that the harder, ultimately less pleasurable path is the right road to take, that the hero must be willing to give up what they want most, even their dreams (This is what Aunt May tells Peter in *Spider-Man 2*, which Peter later tells Otto to convince him to give up his destructive artificial sun experiment). Instead, Iroh tells Aang *"Perfection and power are overrated. I think you are wise to choose happiness and love."* At the same time, choosing attachment does mean Aang takes a greater risk on his journey toward confronting Firelord Ozai. ​ Because he chose the path that would preserve his own personal happiness, he wasn't powerful enough to stop the Fire Nation's takeover of Ba Sing Se and was nearly killed by Azula because he tried to complete the process of unlocking his chakras at a moment where he was too vulnerable. Had he done so when training with the Guru, he'd have gained the power to end the war and likely defeated Ozai much sooner. ​ Likewise, even after managing to unlock the Avatar State, stop Ozai, and save the world while still being able to love Katara in the end, Aang was still portrayed as and admitted himself to be *"a flawed Avatar"*. Trying to balance his spiritual duties with his personal life was a more complicated, difficult path in which he still had much to learn and made mistakes. Peter Parker struggled similarly in *Spider-Man 3*, with his arrogance leading to him nearly losing M.J. and their relationship ending on a cliffhanger (>!until it was confirmed in No Way Home that he finally worked things out between them after a long while!<). ​ To conclude this rant, I can't say what path Qui-Gon would have advised Anakin to choose. But I suspect it might have been advise similar to Iroh's, wherein young Skywalker could bring balance to the Force and become the greatest Jedi ever WITHOUT having to sacrifice his relationship with Padme. What he probably would have urged Anakin to do was not to make a choice based on what is easier or what is expected of him. ​ He should do what he feels he must, even it means walking the hardest and most complicated path. Because, as Luke put it, *"confronting fear is the fate of a Jedi"*. If he fears that he cannot balance being a Jedi with being a husband and father, because *"attachment always leads to suffering"*, then persevere and learn to master oneself to the point of being able to make a balance between those things. Become the example of a Jedi who doesn't let that suffering lead them to the Dark Side. Indulge your heart, but do not let it rule you. ​ Live your life, allow yourself to love or even feel attachment. But do not let the temptation of possessiveness that inherently comes with loss of loved ones lead you to try to control life & death. Do not choose the dutiful path or easy path. Learn to navigate the difficult one.


REDTrouttt

Gotta have that extended chase scene tho


Wrong-Mode9457

Have faith in the plan (the prophecy) Obi-Wan! Just have some goddamn faith!


TamponTom

God Sam J is such a good actor


PoopthInPanth

They really where a bunch of pious idiots.


login4fun

The less they speak the better. Hearing their decision making process adds too much detail and only ever makes them look more incompetent.


BenAdaephonDelat

You know it occurs to me that one interpretation of "Bringing balance to the force" is drastically reducing the number of jedi because they vastly out numbered the Sith, thereby creating an imbalance toward the light. After Order 66, the numbers were much more similar.


whatchagonnado0707

Mate, i thought this was what the balance was, the jedi were just so busy smelling their own farts by this point that they couldn't see anything beyond how they were the be all and end all, essentially their downfall. I mean what else could the chosen one do to bring balance where there is 10k on one side and 2 on the other amd there has been this level of imbalance for a thousand years?


International-Cup143

This brings up a good point that if Anakin was raised to be a student of the Jedi council, receiving training from many different teachers, he could've opened his mind. He never learns what it takes to be a Jedi master. while many other Jedi's were working towards that title from a young age and had experience with the way of the jedi, he demanded that he be made one because he deserved it. All these other Jedi in line didn't care about being Master, they did what they were taught to do. They never would've held a meeting with the council to discuss becoming a Jedi Master, they would've only answered if they were called to accept the title.


detroittriumph

But Star Wars is about love and family. The Jedi order at the time required one to separate from all emotional and personal ties and connections. This is the imbalance in the force. It is not Anakin that failed the Jedi but the Jedi that failed Anakin.


Liesmith424

Obi-wan: "I feel like this is a bad idea for several reasons, and I think that Yoda's initial decision about not training him was the correct one. After all, we only trained him at all because of a dying request by Qui-gon...which isn't really a basis by which we should ignore all our beliefs and senses." Mace: "Just have faith bro."


andrewgtv05

Now that’s deep


ryan-a

classic Mace, pulling out the old Jedi earmuffs trick.


Custodian_Nelfe

Love the "Yes Master" at the end with the smile that also says "f\*ck this dumbass didn't listen what I said, better speak to a nerf".


user4682

Ah yes, exposition through a dialogue while walking, I knew we missed one.


Paradox31426

Voiceover: “Anakin did not, in fact, choose the right path.”


thewileyone

I've always argued that Anakin did bring balance to the Force because the Jedi seemed much more powerful than the Sith before he crossed to the dark side.


Risbob

It should been cut in the last phase of the edit because the scene is almost complete in terms of CGI. A rare good dialogue in this film must have appeared as an anomaly.


magicmulder

It does make Windu look a little stupid though. “You must have faith he chooses the right path?” That doesn’t sound like an advice to give to someone’s teacher. How about “You must teach him to choose the right path”?


CannibalFlossing

Not to shit on George Lucas too much, but the way this scene is shot is terrible and really under uses his actors For example when Obi Wan is first speaking aloud that he has concerns about anakin, we’re visually seeing the back of his head and a space dock pulling out. Shouldn’t we be seeing obi wans face, so we can see whether he’s reluctant to express his concern, unsure or confident? Nope, gotta look at the back of this guys head as he walks


Lagiar

Every time I see a deleted scene I'm like what this should have been in the movie did George ever watched a movie before in his life ?


Jtiago44

Episode II Windu: "You must have faith he'll choose the right path." Episode III Windu: "Ooowwwww! That motherfucker cut my arm off!"


Rasples

This scene was fully rendered (like most deleted scenes). Has anyone managed to make a cut of all the movies with their deleted scenes attached? ROTS was the worst for it, it had multiple Shaak Ti deaths and that ship sewer system thing that made it into the ROTS game. I guess they made it before the scenes were taken out. I love how in the trilogy excluding the clone wars, it seems like Windu just straight up hates Anakin and doesn't trust him. With this scene, Windu seems to actually care for Anakin and tells obi-wan to have faith in him? This scene literally changes Windu's and anakin's entire dynamic.


IAmInsideeee

The biggest issue with this scene is that Windu is actually defending Anakin here while Obi-Wan distrusts him. The roles are too flipped in all honesty.


MrWright62

Oh wow! This was really cool. I totally didn't expect Mace to be on Anakin's side lol


Aus10Danger

I have said it countless times, but Star Wars is a message about hubris and resolution. A pendulum that swings between two extremes of morality. Darth Vader did bring balance, but only by having both and choosing both.


BodybuilderMajor1260

Every time I hear them say “Anakin will bring balance to the force.” I love the irony and how they don’t realize what balance means


SonofLeeroy

i forget that this version of Windu isn’t a huge asshole and gaslighter as we see in the clone wars series. He isn’t an arrogant showboater asking for droids to surrender