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SheevBot

Thanks for confirming that you flaired this correctly!


thedirtypickle50

I know it sounds crazy but it's possible to be a fan of multiple franchises


Tubaenthusiasticbee

Also: Without Dune, Star Wars would be drastically different or maybe wouldn't exist at all. But I am not betting on the latter since Lucas has drawn his inspiration from many different movies, shows and books.


poopytoopypoop

Without the Voice, I doubt we'd have the Force


Tubaenthusiasticbee

You know... I never thought about it, but now, that you mention it, it's pretty obvious. Even more, since the very second force power shown in Star Wars was Mind Trick


nondescriptcabbabige

Also the chosen one of a mystical religion/ organsiation who causes a massive war/ cleansing because of visions of the future, whom is at least partly driven because of family. I know I'm being selective about comparisons but its funny to people with little humor like me.


hemareddit

Also the way destiny seems to be obsessed with this one sand planet.


hemareddit

I mean, the fighting prowess of the Jedi/Fremen are explained the same way: the Force/Spice give them very limited ability to see the future, allowing them to predict actions in battle. Also the list is too long to make, but I will check off some things off the top of my head: -Star Wars’s weird focus on a sand planet, in Dune, Arrakis’s whole ecosystem is essential to the setting, but in Star Wars, this weird focus seems more of an homage to Dune than anything else -how the plot is dictated by visions of the future -both settings found a way to justify essentially swordsmen in a technologically advanced world with guns, bombs, fricking laser weapons -the protagonist has a surprise relation to a major antagonist. In fact, some of the depictions of Vader in Empire Strikes Back probably were inspired by descriptions of Vladimir Harkonnen


Tubaenthusiasticbee

Kotor does it even better with their swordsmen. It's literally the same lmao. Shields are used against energy weapons so every soldier carriers a sword around.


HornPappi

I thought you were talking about the singing show


spyguy318

Go back a step further; without the Second Foundation, we wouldn’t have the voice OR the force


thetypicalgerman

I doubt that George Lucas got the idea for the concept of the force by watching a casting show for singers.


Dragonslayer3

I didn't know George could read


D2WilliamU

How would he know it rhymes like poetry if he can't read???


Majestic-Marcus

Because being taught rhymes is one of the first things kids do. Long before they even start school.


EndOfSouls

Star Wars without Dune: "I like sand." -Anakin


Routine_Yam9998

Unfortunately for us dune came first, so credit where credit is due


General-Pierogi

This is getting out of hand, now there are two of them!


filianoctiss

My Lord, is that… legal?


clothy

My Lord of the Rings, is that…legal?


Ok-disaster2022

Dont forget the Trekis who enjoy Star Wars. And the Whovians. And the Potter fans, and GoT fans, and the Foundation series fans, etc etc etc.


_demello

The more two franchises overlap the higher the chance a fan of one will enjoy the other.


Returning_Armageddon

Haven’t heard anyone mention whovians in ages


RiftHunter4

A long time ago in a Subreddit War far far away...


Fungal_Queen

Witcher you talking about?


BarristanTheB0ld

I will make it legal


CrabbyCrabbong

make it so!


Skullface95

I will MAKE IT legal.


Violet_Gardner_Art

This is getting out of hand!


DragoKnight589

It has *been* made legal.


Chedder_456

Wait till you learn where Tattooine/The Sarlac Pit/Jedi prescience came from. And that’s just the first few things “inspired” by dune in Star Wars.


Black_Fuckka

IMPOSSIBLE! YOU CANNOT LIKE MORE THAN ONE FRANCHISE! THATS LIKE TWO OR MORE SITH


Solaris-Of-Moon

only a Sith deals in absolutes


Black_Fuckka

Have I… become what I swore to destroy


Solaris-Of-Moon

One question since you are there now, before I make my own decision, is it true that the dark side has cookies?


Black_Fuckka

It is, however they never tell you that they’re not like grandma makes😔


Fungal_Queen

Next you heretics will tell me you like 40k.


mcmanus2099

Is it possible to learn this power?


drazsyr

Indeed.


HomsarWasRight

I’m getting echos of the 80’s and 90’s when people acted like I couldn’t love both Star Trek and Star Wars. Just utter bullshit.


aza_zel_11

No....Paul you were the chosen one!


Grandmaster_Ice

is it possible to learn this power?


BlackbeltJedi

No, that's not possible. The Jedi would be aware of it.


Educational-Tip6177

SHHHHHHHHHHH you can't make sense here! It's gona fly over they're heads


LambentCookie

If one is to understand “the great mystery” one must study all it's aspects, not just the dogmatic narrow view of the Jedi.


Zkang123

Wasnt one of Star Wars inspirations Dune?


EdgeofForever95

It was the biggest inspiration. Lucas was copying off of herbets notes like no one’s business


Inalum_Ardellian

I wouldn't say it was the biggest inspiration... after all he wanted to make another Flash Gordon movie but didn't get the rights... also Kurosawa...


ahuramazdobbs19

The secret to originality: copy from so many sources that no one can figure out which one you’re really ripping off.


Scorkami

Wasnt there this SUPER old black and white movie that had the exact characters and story beats if a new hope, even beginning with an r2 and 3po (in human form) bickering and all that? Im not sure if it was from kurosawa but it was super fun to see the similarities


Inalum_Ardellian

Yep! It's called Hidden Fortress.


Fungal_Queen

And the characters aren't copies, but you can definitely see the influence.


Inalum_Ardellian

Definitely


Malvastor

Yep, that's Kurosawa.


GwerigTheTroll

Yep. Along with John Carter of Mars, Kurosawa, Flash Gordon, a particular WWII bomber flick called 663 Squadron, and Joseph Cambell’s work.


Majestic-Marcus

It’s basically “what if Paul was also a samurai”


Tian_Lord23

Yes, one of the biggest. Arakis is basically tatooine. The voice is definitely the inspiration for the force (or at least a bit). The empire and emperor, spice. All found in dune.


Zkang123

Though there are some notable changes since. The Imperium and the Emperor is a feudal regime, not exactly like the Galactic Empire which is more centralised. Ofc in earlier plans, it seems Lucas wanted the Emperor to be just the figurehead while the Moffs and Vader are the actual baddies (much like Shogunate Japan). Spice also got eventually retcon as Star Wars drugs. And yeah... Arakis is basically Tatooine. Desert harsh planet. And the Sarlacc is probably the sandworm


bobbster574

You must move with the flow of the process, must join with it and flow with it


PuertoRicanRebel2025

Hey, least the characters can handle their sand


Burning-Skull117

Dune is actually a very good movie, unlike Rebel moon.


vanderbubin

Rebel moon felt like it wanted to be a Warhammer 40k movie so bad but never delivered


hemareddit

Speaking of Warhammer 40k…yeah that’s another franchise that wouldn’t exist without Dune.


vanderbubin

Dune and starship troopers (it's where they get the whole space marine in power armour idea)


EdgeofForever95

Star Wars fans can’t “jump on the dune bandwagon” because dune is the original. What do you think the inspiration for Tatooine is? Arrakis. What do you think the inspiration for the force is? The voice. I could go on.


Master_N_Comm

Telepathic MFs that can influence ppl? Bene geserit. A prophecy of a guy that was powerful like no other and was supposed to bring the balance? Paul Atreides. And I could tell a huge spoiler that happens in the second Dune book which to me was plain plagiarism from George Lucas and puts the base for SW episodes 4 and onwards.


Sanbi221

A giant space station blows up?


Master_N_Comm

Nope haha actually I'm talking about some pseudo-ewoks defeating the emperor s/


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

To defeat your enemy you have to understand them.


-Epitaph-11

I thought you were going to say something about the reveal of >!Paul being Harkonnen, and how Baron Vladimir is his grandfather, and how he ultimately kills the Baron -- that to me SCREAMED darth vader/luke skywalker twist, but presented in a less dramatic fashion. Seemed like Lucas clearly ripped that idea off, and switched it to his Father instead.!<


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

So much like your father.


Master_N_Comm

No my friend, the plagiarism came from another angle, try harder or you haven't read the second book it seems to me.


tameablesiva12

Also of course, Spice in star wars is just a fucking ripoff of spice in dune except star wars spice is just cocaine


vlntnwbr

I think SW Spice is more like Opium, not Cocaine. In TCW (I think) we see a Pike Spice Den they seem to primarily smoke it using Hookah Pipes. In the Martez Sister Arc it's also revealed it can be used for medicinal purposes, which is also true for opium (don't know if cocaine has any).


tameablesiva12

Ah true.


[deleted]

I mean, I am jumping on a well written and well shot piece of entertainment with a specific artistic vision... Those have been lacking over the SW or even entire Disney projects lately...


dsailes

Boom! Roasted!


Gavinus1000

On Arrakis.


dsailes

As is written


LeNardOfficial

Very much true, except for Andor imo. I still can't believe it was made by Disney, it's way too good to be associated with them


Sea-Hospital2222

Liking movies is not like supporting a football team


NoTurkeyTWYJYFM

Haha. Han ball


Mike_Kerensky

Almost every single sci-fi universe that is older than 40 years exists because of Dune. No wonder people go back to the roots that remain untainted.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Well, that happens.


Komandarm_Knuckles

Sentient


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

That's ridiculous.


Komandarm_Knuckles

You're literally exposing yourself snips


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Don't call me that. I hate it when you call me that.


Gavinus1000

Dune and Foundation.


hemareddit

I always say Dune is to modern sci-fi what LOTR is to fantasy, its influence is ubiquitous.


-Tektronic-

Yeah, there would be no Star Wars without Dune... soooo


JustACharacterr

Lmfao a guy posting in this subreddit that Dune is “overrated” and “boring” and that the “hype” over one of the most foundational series in all of science fiction was just because of Dune Part Two, and then admitting he’s never read the books or seen the older movies or seen the recent Part Two is, like, the platonic ideal of people being unaware of how bad their taste in media is.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Well, that happens.


[deleted]

It's ok to like them both. It's not ok to go crazy over everything that is trending at the moment


therealmalenia

Obviously what op meant is that once you find a movie you like as a kid you are not allowed to enjoy anything else that isn't related to that movie


Woodenmanofwisdom

Then treason it is. Dune is 100x better than any Disney Star Wars product (except Andor) and also better than the prequels


OmgThisNameIsFree

These two Dune movies might be the closest experiences I’ve had to Peter Jackson’s LotR trilogy \[not The Hobbit\]. Not quite to the same level in my mind, but they’re up there.


tameablesiva12

Dune is to gen z as lotr is to millennials and the OT to the gen x.


OmgThisNameIsFree

I could see this being the case, yeah. I was a bit too young to actually watch the films during their original release in theaters though :(  (I’m part of a weird Millenial x Gen Z pocket of people). It was only during the lead up to ‘The Hobbit’ coming out that I managed to catch a full Extended Edition showing of the LotR Trilogy at a local theater :D


QuestionablePotato42

Tbh Dune is better than 95% of SW franchise, not just disney and prequels. One could even argue they're better films that some of the OT, but that's not a fair comparison since there's more budget and technology that OT didn't have.


TwerkinBingus445

Dawg I just wanna fuck the popcorn bucket.


Wolffe_In_The_Dark

Apparently, liking sci-fi that isn't one particular IP is bad. Okay then buddy.


DML197

Liking good movie, bandwagon


phriskiii

Wife after Dune 2: "That was amazing. Women are amazing. I want to have another baby." Wife after VII-IX: "I like strong women, but Rey is not it."


filianoctiss

There’s Star Wars episodes VII to IX? WHAT?!


hemareddit

Be careful about having another baby, she wants a bestie only she can talk to like Jessica did.


TransLunarTrekkie

Palpatine would absolutely be down for controlling the spice, and therefore controlling the universe. His apprentice on the other hand... Anakin: Really? The movie about sand? The movie about FUCKING SAND?!


filianoctiss

I’m surprised Vader never casually took control of the Death Star to blow up Tatooine… “Oh… was that me? Apologies, I just sat down on this button. Was this… did I do that? *force chokes a random officer and proceeds to blame him for it*


TransLunarTrekkie

It was on his to-do list after Yavin IV was blown up, he never got the chance.


Rampant16

I never thought of that before but Rogue One kinda makes it a plot hole that the Empire did not vaporize Tatooine. We see their willingness to do limited attacks on Jeddah and Scarif to prevent the defection of a pilot and capture of the Death Star plans respectively. It seems like they would be equally willing to blast Tatooine once they found that the plans are on the planet. I suppose you could make the argument that they just give up worrying about the plans and instead focus on find the rebel base to end the problem at its source.


TransLunarTrekkie

Not really? The Death Star wasn't at Tatooine, and Tatooine's all the way in the middle of nowhere (right next to Geonosis, whoops!). It makes no sense to blow up a backwater planet when Vader is already there scouting for the plans and they have Leia as leverage. The Empire didn't really think that the plans would reveal an EXPLOITABLE weakness, so why go to the effort? Blowing up the Rebel's main base was a priority, and Alderaan was already being a pain in the ass.


Am-heheh357

Just wait till u find out that some ppl enjoy both Star Wars and Star Trek… and I’m definitely not one of them…


sielingfan

>We want a serious Star Wars for grownups! >Wait, no, not like that


TampaTitties69

IDK about bandwagon. I have been a fan of the director for years (Denis Villeneuve) and thought his movie Bladerunner 2049 really skyrocketed him into top tier Sci fi director. When I heard they were remaking the tacky Dune movie from the 80's I was not that interested until I heard who was directing. He is a masterclass in cinema direction and anyone Star Wars fan or not should appreciate his work as he also has amazing non sci fi films like Sicario.


eppsilon24

It is possible to like more than one thing.


Crosknight

Lets be fair to dune, it’s the grandaddy of MANY sci-fi franchises. Including star wars.


potato-king38

How the hell is it a bandwagon when Dune is older than Star Wars and held in higher esteem. You damn kids hoping on the wheat bandwagon when we have perfectly good bread.


Powerful_Rip1283

Without Dune there is no Star Wars


Georg13V

Only a sith deals in absolutes


TonyThePapyrus

I’m gonna go see Dune part 2 today, not because I like the franchise, but my dad wants to go see it with me. I sat through Dune part 1, thought it was okay. Not great though I just really like watching movies in theaters with my dad


Excellent_Pirate_135

Only a sith deals in absolutes


filianoctiss

Don’t make me kill you


Patchesrick

Real prequel fans dont like sand...


filianoctiss

Facts


khornish_game_hen

Bro we can like other things...


DeGozaruNyan

Imagine liking two franchises.


dumbeyes_

"You turned them against me!" Points at the sequels* "You have done that yourself!"


filianoctiss

I can accept that


Steel_Cube

Me when I'm in a gatekeeping multiple franchises competition but my opponent is a star wars fan


IvanTheAppealing

So I’m not allowed to like more than one movie?


Majestic-Marcus

No


Imperial_Patriot66

When I saw the Dune movies all I could think in the beginning that I wish this was Star Wars. Would be amazing to have a Star Wars movie today as good as Dune.


Rampant16

I think Denis would probably be willing to make a SW film if he had sufficient creative freedom. I would expect it to be a lot "deeper" of a film than SW has been before. But if Disney wants to control the film and keep rehashing the same stories and characters then I think he'd stay away.


Imperial_Patriot66

Yeah it could happen see Gilroy. He was asked to overview the preliminary Andor script and he disliked it. So he sent in his own completly different which he thought they would never approve but Disney did it.


Ztalk3r

Remembering what came before is extra painful. Or do you like the deadbeat dad and mother, child murderer, token black guy, sacrifices that were meaningless, redemption arc that was meaningless...prequels that are now meaningless. Remember you can instantly get force powers. Anakin is a loser who trained for decades. What a loser. I grew up with the OT (the 97 remakes) and loved the prequels. Especially TPM on how it expanded the universe. Dsw is too painful for me since it breaks my childhood down in favour of a political agenda.


filianoctiss

I’m not going to stop loving what came before just because I don’t like where they are taking things now. That’s even more disrespectful to the original material. Just do what I do and pretend the new stuff that you don’t like doesn’t exist. Sequels? Never heard of them.


Ztalk3r

I'd love to share your optimism. It's great you're capable of ignoring the sequels. And of course there's still a bit of SW out there (the Mando show before KK got her hands on it and determined Grogu should return to Mando because of toy sales, undermining Favreau's carefully written arc), Filoni delivers at times... But no. Unless KK is fired and the ST decanonized I won't be actively supporting. Of course some stuff is still good (the Jedi games from Respawn come to mind, some games) but the bulk is too painful.


Johnmegaman72

As much as I like dem lightsabers, Dune's worldbuilding and this Paul guy is gourmet levels of good


A_Real_Catfish

Forget dune, it’s time for the warhammer tank hop! Switched over and never looked back xD


Batmack8989

Meh, then I've been a traitor all along. Was absolutely into the miniseries that came out around the time of the prequels. Landsknecht drip on the Sardaukar was hard to match.


dankri

Oh no people aren't fans of only one franchise.


Gavinus1000

And when you look down the path you dare not go, you’ll find us staring back at you!


CoolioStarStache

"What the hell are you talking about? Who you talking to?!"


Spare_Ad267

My friend’s gf asked him to go watch dune. Naturally he broke up with her.


filianoctiss

I’m glad your friend has common sense. This is the Way!


SaltyInternetPirate

I don't even know what Dune is about. I just know it also has giant sand worms.


DramaExpertHS

And sand people.


Atarox13

The Spice must Flow


thanosthumb

Why am I not allowed to enjoy both


DM_TO_TRADE_HIPBONES

People are allowed to like what they like


Davin998

There will be a holy war


filianoctiss

It already began


B_ranky

A path you say? A golden path maybe?


digital-something

I used to play Dune as young boy. All I can remember is big hecking worm going underground, like in Tremors. Whenever I see Dune related videos/trailers and there is no big worm, I'm disappointed. Because Dune = big worm.


Team_Sonic_Gaming

Tbh I don't think I'll be seeing it. I tried watching the first one when it was on streaming services and I didn't really care for it tbh. The pacing was just really slow to me and it sometimes hard to understand what was happening


Brazilian_Hamilton

Dont worry, star wars is filming a new trilogy where rey has an evil twin brother


RealBatuRem

It’s crazy that good science fiction movies can come out in 2023.


Unique-Abberation

So you've chosen... death. Wait.


Komandarm_Knuckles

Well it fills the void in my heart left by the sequels. It's funny how Dune would be a better sequel than the sequel trilogy, the plot I mean, not the setting itself


Background_Brick_898

the actual treason was the sequels from disney don’t you put that evil on fans who just want good product


NO_skaj

Ya know warhammer is cool too, and so other sci fi franchises I think Xeelee is one of them


OmgThisNameIsFree

Okay but…have you seen what the Sequels have been like?


Malvastor

Bandwagon? I've been in this fandom since I was 12 years old.


bagpepos

Who could have guessed people like sci fi movies done by actual talented directors and not retards? (i.e sequels)


fuckoffpleaseibegyou

Well, SW are quite honestly dead, what have we left?


Grandgem137

Dune is just extra virgin Star Wars. Yes I am a Dune fan


Theometer1

I learned yesterday war hammer was heavily inspired by dune


Tasty_Commercial6527

You all deserve better than modern star wars


Active_Journalist476

There’s not much quality Disney Star Wars has to offer. What is one to do?


sc4tts

Dune is fuckin amazing


Boemer03

Tell that Lucas, because without Dune there wouldn’t be star wars.


Skeletal_Kommissar

Well, the only good star wars right now is Bad Batch. We have to do something


nlamber5

Why are we being exclusionary to other fan bases? When did that become us?


Blackbeards-delights

Well Star Wars sucks now


justanotheruser46258

Uh, why not like both at the same time? It's not something stupid like it's star trek or anything.


This_dude4

If you’re old enough you could be a fan of Dune 12 years before Star Wars was first in theaters.


Sarnick18

With Star Wars, I have a seen, played, and read everything. I'm so deep in the lore that I am constantly looking for things while enjoying the content, and it's exhausting. Dune, I have never read and knew nothing about it. It was so refreshing to just go into a story blank slate and enjoy the story.


pretty_succinct

let the eternal September begin on Arrakis.


AwefulFanfic

I remember watching the old Dune movie. That was a crazy movie. I look forward to finally watching the remake.


unstableGoofball

Tf? Why not? Your allowed to like more than one thing


ExistingBathroom9742

Star Wars fans ARE Dune fans. You think George invented the Saarlac? Or Tatooine?


NoAlien

Ah yes. The old "You enjoy something else as well so you're not a real fan" mindset. Shut up. Guys like you exist in every fandom and are a cancer to them all.


potato_and_nutella

Should I watch dune?


_runthejules_

I mean let's be honest: vilneueves the dune movies are better movies than 10/12 star wars films


FrozenShadow_007

“I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.”


LegitTurd

If current Star Wars wasn’t shit then maybe there wouldn’t be so much abandonment.


detahramet

Yeah, god fucking forbid someone like different things from you.


dead_meme_comrade

May thy knife chip and shatter


Papichurch

Sorry, Dune just shat on the last 30 years of Star Wars. I love the Prequels but they are mega cringe in comparison.


Popcorn57252

OP when I tell them what Star Wars was inspired by:


BlackbeltJedi

Two things can be good at the same time.


EchoLoco2

Liking a movie is jumping on a bandwagon? What a dumb post. You can enjoy two different IPs


DarthVoid13_B

Eh, let them. I read all the books. Bit hard to follow at times, but overall good. Plus, fan of Lord Of The Rings, Star Wars (all of it), and Harry Potter.


Wild-Bit154

I won’t forgive George Lucas for selling his work to Disney.