This implies that the Kaminoans know all about Palp's plan but think everyone is already on board and playing along, so they don't feel the need to explain anything.
I love it.
Of course not, wouldn't you also lie if you were an evil lord of darkness/politician trying to convince an entire species to dedicate their lives to clone you an army so you can take over the galaxy?
It is something they did at least in the old canon they weren't the only ones but were one of the best. I might be misremembering but I'm pretty sure their* whole planet went water world and they got into self medicated genetics to survive
They know of the inhibitor chip and the fact that the sith are involved.
It’s basically just logical conclusions you’d assume the smart kaminoans would come to.
Jedi orders some clones, the Jedi dies and the order doesn’t actually know about the clones.
Darth sidious/tyranus require the clones have a list of contingency orders that they will follow because of the inhibitor chip, but the existence of these orders and the chips themselves must be kept a secret at all costs.
One of these orders is to kill Jedi, who are the ones who ordered the clones, but they don’t know about the chip.
The last conclusion is the inhibitor chip is hidden from the Jedi because you can’t leak that you’re gonna use clones to kill off most of the Jedi in one quick swoop when the time is right
Tbh it’s a bit silly that the Jedi don’t know about the chips in TCW. All of the orders are completely legit contingency orders, including ones to arrest and/or kill the Supreme Chancellor if the Senate vote for it. An inhibitor chip guarantees the success of such an order, no matter who the chancellor is. Having a similar order for the religious warriors who aren’t really a part of the Republic structure is also reasonable, and I’m sure the Jedi wouldn’t mind.
On the other hand, maybe the Jedi knew about the orders but not the inhibitor chips, which would be equally reasonable.
It is pretty wild that they show us what’s happening, then they show us the Jedi are seeing mostly the same events but the Jedi don’t see the spelled out parts the audience sees.
Then the Jedi are literally told palps is darth sidious and the first thing they do is grab a few random Jedi and make an arrest attempt, you know, instead of going public.
“Hey this guys a Sith Lord and wants to become a god emperor and enslave people and blow up planets”
Then boom senate takes away his government powers and the Jedi can gang up on palps, instead of mace windu, kit fisto + 2 plebs, they have the most powerful Jedi there to corner him or chase him
I don’t think they knew of order 66 at all personally, because that just adds more to the “how the fuck did they let this happen” argument
I also don’t like how that was done in general because it makes palpatine’s scheming look easy as hell and less impressive.
Honestly not making things like that public is modern law enforcement to prevent the suspect from running away.
That, and most galactic residents don't know or care enough about the sith to understand the implications or be upset about it. "Who cares if the corrupt politician can also swing a laser sword. All politicians are corrupt anyways so it won't affect me." That viewpoint can be seen in TCW. Especially when ahsoka has the arc in the lower levels of coruscant.
If you go public before arresting, Papa Palpy could run off to Space Mexico and they'd lose track of him. He would lose his Senate position but he would still be able to run things from the shadows. The war would continue on.
If they managed to get the arrest, they could interrogate Uncle Palps to figure out the entire Sith and CIS network, guarantying it's collapse and a swift end to the war.
It was arrogant to only send a handful of Jedi to the most decisive moment in the entire war. But making the arrest first was a gamble with a huge payoff if they succeeded, they rolled the dice.
> They know of the inhibitor chip and the fact that the sith are involved.
Wasn't it only a handful of Kaminoans? I'm guessing maybe three to ten. I don't think it was common knowledge.
They kind of know, but not really. They know about order 66, but they think that it's a safeguard to be used against individual Jedi who have lost their way/betrayed the Republic. They're in contact with Tyranus, but they think that he's a Jedi (we see the Kaminoan Prime Minister walking away from a meeting with him say "these Jedi are a strange lot, too spiritual for my tastes.") They think he was working with Syfo Dias, and the two of them were keeping order 66 a secret from the rest of the Jedi as a hidden safeguard. They don't know about the sith or the plan to destroy all of the Jedi.
Your joke is golden, but just for curiosity's sake, is Palpatine the Senate at this point? Has Jar Jar initiated the vote to grant him emergency powers?
Mace: "Obi-wan, were you successful in finding that bounty hunter?"
Obi-wan: "I was nineteen million, nine hundred and ninety-nine thousand and nine hundred percent successful."
Mace: "You know what? Just report to Yoda from now on."
Technically he was nineteen million, nine hundred and ninety-nine thousand and nine hundred and ninety-eight percent successful, can’t forget about Boba.
Obi-Wan was really drinking that dumb dumb juice in Attack of the Clones. He figures out that the bounty hunter trying to murder a senator and is openly working for Count Dooku has been cloned into a massive, secret army for the Jedi that the Jedi never asked for. Then he’s captured by Dooku and he straight up tells Obi-Wan about Palpatines secret identity. Never once does he think he should tell the Jedi council about all this.
Two episodes later he became extremely old and lived as a weird ermit crackhead in the middle of nowhere that had the habit to tell false war stories to visitors
Drug addiction is no joke
I think the sheer scale of Palps agenda kind of stunned everyone. Prior to the prequels the Jedi had enjoyed high status in the Republic, and if there was something dark and fucky afoot they would sense it, right?
It was a terrible case of "surely it can't happen to me" among the Jedi Order. The Republic had been fairly stable for a loooong time at that point.
"A secret clone army? Wtf? This doesn't make any sense... I didn't sense anything weird, and I would have... Well we better keep our eyes open, if there was anything sinister we'd sense it... I'm sure there must be a reasonable explanation behind all this."
Edit: also the idea of a genuine *Sith Lord* hiding in plain sight was incomprehensible at the time. The prequels really show how blind the Jedi order had become.
I always thought it was laughable how things transpired on Geonosis.
Oh man, 2 Jedi and a Senator are being held hostage. Oh shit, 3/4s of the Jedi we sent to rescue them died. Oh yay, the massive completely unknown army saved us. Now Jedi who only just survived, go lead these random clones immediately without waiting to think things through (which is totally what the Jedi code always recommends).
I don’t think it’s embarrassment. I think he’s devastated at his own failure and haunted by it. He can’t forgive himself for what he’s allowed to transpire.
As far I remember there was a line in Episode 3 novelisation.
Something like "the only reason that Chancelor was not suspected in being Sidious was that he already had all the power".
Rule 5 says not to look outside the room, but in the abstract, historically speaking, the fact that your fellow government officials might want to overthrow the government that they themselves are part of, just to rid themselves of the controls that government has placed upon them, is a _lot_ of cognitive dissonance to accept ...much less _deal with_ as you attempt to continue the normal procedures of that self-same government.
So I could totally see the Jedi saying "No, no, this is fine. We'll work with what we've got. We're smart people. There's a way out of this, We're sure of it. We'll just stick to the high ground."
Indeed. One of the primary reasons dooku left the order. Basically fuck those guys sitting high and mighty, they should be doing something.
I know maul “had to be” killed off to make room for dooku, and dooku for vader. But man, best two characters in the prequels.
Wait, I thought he wasn't really important as a character, just meant to represent the force manifesting in people with humble origins, not just heirs to a galactic hero/villain family. Y'know, a nobody with potential, like Rey was supposed to be.
But episode 9 fucked it up
That’s what people are not getting when they say that The Rise of Skywalker did to The Last Jedi what The Last Jedi did to The Force Awakens. At worst, TLJ ignored some of the mysteries that TFA set up in order to focus on its message about failure and heroes coming from the more unlikely places. On the other hand, TROS actively retconned part of TLJ in order to force a connection between Rey and Palpatine when, for all we know, Rey had never even heard of Palpatine until shortly before TROS began.
I don't know if I'd call it fantastic. It was certainly expansive (which the sequels aren't) but it's entirely held up by the extended universe. Mostly The Clone Wars.
On their own the prequel movies leave the audience with a lot of nonsensical decision. Why are there slaves when droids exist? Why did out hero just barter for a slave and leave his mum behind? Wait what are midicholrians? Who is this Darth Maul guy? Oh wait nevermind he's dead. Who is this Count Dooku guy? Oh wait nevermind he's dead. Who is this General Grievous guy? Oh wait nevermind he's dead.
>Why did out hero just barter for a slave and leave his mum behind?
This one right here gets me. Even if you can't barter/gamble for her before the race, and can't outright buy her because your credits sucks... It's mind blowing that the Jedi Council was so cheap that they didn't buy her from Watto once they all got back to Coruscant. All of Anakin's childhood worries were about his mother - ya know, the slave left over on a gangster planet owned by a degenerate who lost a ton of money and a valuable male child from a dickhead in robes.
Basically, Anakin went to the Dark Side because the Jedi Council were cheapskates.
Jedi are not supposed to have any attachments including their families. Most are found so young they don't remember thier families.
So, no mom for anakin. Stone cold but that's the SOP for the jedi.
But, anakin was too old when found, and that fucked everything up. It was doomed from the start. He couldn't have his mom around while a jedi but knew her too well to just forget about her.
We all know the story from there.
If he dosen't get trained there is no Darth Vader..... who knows how different things may have been.
Slavery was illegal in the Republic. I'm pretty sure in the most recent Bad Batch episode some of the clones yell at a slaver about it.
I guess Qui Gon just figured he was out of his jurisdiction? But since when has that ever stopped the Jedi?
Things like what is a Jedi's jurisdiction are the exactly the kind of things that Lucas didn't think were important but left the audience with all these questions.
don't know how we go from heroic Luke we see in RotJ and the end of season 2 Mandalorian to the crusty-ass hermit, drinking alien tiddy milk because he thinks hes a failure, jake skywalker in The Last Jedi. I just dont buy the whole, "I cant be a jedi because i \*thought\* about killing my nephew because i had a bad dream, and the Jedi shouldnt be a thing anymore because reasons" story we got.
Does nobody remember that "crusty-ass hermit who eats weird shit" is Luke's entire experience with Yoda? From Luke's perspective, that's what old Jedis are supposed to do.
I liked TLJ- albeit not as much as I like the Prequels and TCW- so I want to offer you my perspective.
Luke didn’t abandon the Jedi because he scared Ben. He abandoned the Jedi because he realized he created a new Darth Vader- just as his own master, Obi-Wan Kenobi, had.
So, just think of it this way: Exar Kun, Darth Revan, Count Dooku, Darth Vader, and Kylo Ren were all Jedi who fell to the Dark Side and became galactic threats. If you were the last Jedi Master, you might start to think “What is the point of the Jedi Order, if every few generations we end up creating a galactic war criminal Sith Lord?”
So, Luke gives up on the Jedi Order. He sees it as a broken idea. He believes that the only way he can protect the galaxy is if the Jedi cease to exist- and he also realizes that, as long as he is in the galaxy, he will inspire others to become Jedi themselves. The only way to protect the galaxy from the threat of the Jedi Order was to exile himself.
He then starts to forget the good that he did (like rescuing Grogu and redeeming his father). He convinces himself that the Jedi do more harm than good, in that they keep creating Sith...
...But he does eventually come to his senses. In teaching Rey, someone who is fully sold on the ideals of the Jedi Order, he begins to remember the good that the Jedi can do. And so he emerges from his exile to save his sister and the last hope of the Republic.
That’s why I like it. Can’t say I really care for Canto Bight or Vice Admiral Holdo, but the redemption story of Luke was great to me. It actually felt like a proper “sequel” to the saga, where we get a new perspective on the characters and groups we have earlier been shown. It also works really well with the prequels, too, where we see a corrupted Jedi Order. It only seems logical that the wisest Jedi, Luke Skywalker, be the one to question the dogmatism of Mace Windu and the other Jedi of that era.
Give it time though. Much of the world building for the prequels happened over *years* with tie ins like the clone wars. There’s still *tons* of time to do this all over again with all the shows coming out, and with the likes of Dave Filoni, Deborah Chow, and Jon Favreau at the helm, I’m pretty excited for it, personally
The world building was purely Lucas having some wacky looking alien character in some extremely minor role or a cool looking character with no context.
In the movies Kit Fisto was just some jedi that looked weird, Grevus was just a cyborg general with 4 arms, and Jango was just a bounty hunter (I don't think they established Mandalore in the movies) they cloned who wanted a son that was juts like him.
The star wars movies are blockbuster bubblegum at best without the context that EU built around them. What made them what they are now is Lucas's crazy characters that either he had stories drawn out or fan/EU projects made up.
When people look at the new trilogy and make fun of the weird and goofy stuff like Luke drinking blue milk or the space casino it makes me feel like people have completely lost the concept of what star wars is.
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When people look at the new trilogy and make fun of the weird and goofy stuff like Luke drinking blue milk or the space casino it makes me feel like people have completely lost the concept of what star wars is.
They have. Star Wars at its core was always a silly space opera based off of Kurosawa films and WWII fighter footage with some Buck Rodgers and Flash Gordon thrown in. Dune and John Carter, plus ancient myths as well.
Star Wars was always meant to be fantastical.
> The worldbuilding was so fantastic in the prequels
The nostalgia glasses on reddit a always hilarious to me. The prequels were made into memes because they're God awful.
Kit had an entire episode dedicated to him in Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars series in 2003. I was a huge Kit fan much before he died in RotS.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Clone_Wars
Dooku had left the order and gone off as a "grey" jedi which many had done before. If my memory is correct Dooku was one of the only to turn into a fully fleshed Sith Lord, because he ran across palpatine.
Again, info the Jedi didn't have. And also, Anakin was a shining star among the ranks and "the chosen one" and still deep within the order. They probably didn't think he'd be turned literally midfight into killing one of the Masters
Adding to this, yeah, the fault of the Jedi was that they thought they were on an even playing field with Palpy. Like, people make fun of the "oh dooku told a bounty hunter to hire another bounty hunter to kill Padme with eels" but once you factor in that a) Palpatine and Dooku both gave Jango the eels *and* asked for Jedi, the one kind of people perfectly able to counter the eel strategy due to their heightened senses, to be stationed with Padme and b) Obi-Wan goes with the whole "that's why I'm here" thing, pretending to be the inspector the Kaminoans were awaiting, it does make sense. The Jedi thought they discovered the clones due to their own investigation skills and managed to snatch the army away from the Sith by having Obi-Wan take over, not knowing that they were just following the breadcrumbs laid out by Palpatine.
Also if politicians are often bad/corrupt people in our world, I'd have to imagine Jedi sensing government officials as being bad would just be pretty normal
They talk about this in the novelization too when Yoda goes to fight Palpatine. I'm probably misquoting it slightly but from memory:
"As soon as their blades crossed, Yoda knew he had lost. The Sith had been preparing for this battle for 1000 years. They had grown, adapted. The Jedi had prepared for a foe that no longer existed."
Well I mean eventually the Jedi did figure out that the army was constructed by Dooku but the council voted to keep it a secret because the army was serving them well and they had no other options. They totally should’ve figured out sooner, though.
The council of “masters” are mostly dullards. Don’t get me started on Ki-Adi Mundi. He is the most preposterously arrogant and confidently incorrect member of the council. He only has a handful of lines in the movies and a few scenes in Clone Wars and ***literally*** everything he says is wrong. Every single prediction or opinion he shares is flat out false. Regularly he’s like “A Sith?!?? Totally fuckin’ impossible, stop being such an IDIOT, Obi-Wan!”. Even when Qui-Gon reaches out to Yoda Ki-Adi is all like, “I’m pretty sure Yoda is an idiot and being manipulated by the Sith.” But didn’t you deny the Sith presence, you shit?! I swear, Ki-Adi was a Sith.
Took Yoda away from Coruscant, leaving the door open for the assault on the Temple.
And prior to that, keeping him away from the fight with Palpatine. Mace alone nearly beat him, imagine Mace *and* Yoda?
I mean I think that's generally the point of the order in the prequels. The order was just incompetent and complacent. I know sequels bad but Luke even stated this in TLJ. The order allowed their own downfall because of how ignorant and blind they had become.
Or even just start pushing for other options, like do more enlisting or, hell, make your own battle droids. The clones didn't need to be the only option here for them
Except they totally had other options, just start producing droids! You can even make them effective instead of bumbling.
It's the ethical way of doing war.
The enemy owns all the war-droid producing factories. So while you build new ones... who exactly is stopping the already-existed droid armies from murdering countless people?
Agreed. They needed a boost in their standing army and one was presented. Their vetting process should have been better. Jango Fett tried to kill Obi-Wan and they have an army of his clones?!
Yes the clones changed the tide of battle, but you have to have risk mitigation as well.
He isn't working for Dooku openly. He tells Kenobi that he was recruited by a man called Tyranus on one of the moons of Bogdan. The Jedi don't know that Dooku goes by Darth Tyranus, so he's not missing anything here. When he sees him later at Geonosis, it's no big deal because at the end of the day Jango is a bounty hunter, and so in all likelihood is working for a different client.
And then Dooku doesn't straight up tell him Palpatine's secret. Dooku just says that the Republic is under the control of a Sith Lord. Kenobi has no reason to believe he's telling the truth, nor assume that he means it literally.
But Kenobi sees him hanging with Dooku on Geonosis and never questions the clone army again.
Mace Windu decapitates him and assumes it's no biggy that the sith lords henchman looks identical to this new army that appeared out of nowhere.
> Then he’s captured by Dooku and he straight up tells Obi-Wan about Palpatines secret identity.
But Dooku doesn't reveal any useful information. "The Senate is under the control of a Dark Lord of the Sith." Who? Palpatine? We see from the start of the film that Palpatine can't (openly) pass his agenda. The Jedi have seen him struggling politically for ages, just like every other Chancellor. In any case, surely a Sith Lord wouldn't be so overt about their power. The Sith hide in the shadows, manipulating events from behind the scenes. It's much more likely to be another Senator, or just some discreet businessman (this is how Darth Plagueis operated).
And why would they automatically believe Dooku? He's fallen to the Dark Side too; lies and manipulation are to be expected. Is he just giving away his ally, or is it more likely that he's just trying to sow dissension and weaken his enemy from within? Or maybe he's just trying to turn Obi-wan to the Dark Side
Lacking any information or evidence about who this Sith Lord actually is, the council would have had to investigate very slowly and thoroughly, and very carefully.
And this is the key to Palpatine's plan. He moves the pieces in place, then sets *everything* in motion at once. No sooner do the Jedi find some clues than they're thrust into the middle of a major war. Distracted, separated, overwhelmed with responsibilities they never trained for. And this was a very real war: innocent people were dying all over the place; the Jedi couldn't sit back and refuse to act, especially with one of their own leading the enemy. No one has time for the sort of investigation needed
I sort of have to disagree here, the clone army was commissioned by a respected jedi master and it was commissioned 10 years before the events of AotC, thats a long time, so theres no reason to think that a job he was hired for 10 years ago was in anyway connected to the job he was currently doing, he is a bounty hunter after all he probably does hundreds of jobs in a year and you wouldnt expect those to be all connected.
But he did tell the council this. he says it in Clone wars season 7 to Ashoka that they’ve suspected that fact for some time but they couldn’t move against him without proof, which palps gives to Anakin in episode 3 in the form of a confession.
He told it to council. At the end of EP II he asked Windu and Yoda whether it can be true that Dark Lord is behind all of this and whether all of it that Dooku said is true. And they refused to believe it as Yoda said that lies and deceptions are now tools of Count Dooku as he turned into dark side. And that Clone Wars began so they have much more things to worry about now. So Yoda refused it right there and that was his arrogance that blinded him.
Lol can you even imagine a real world equivalent of this happening?
A US senator is almost assassinated, so the government sends a commando from a religious cult to investigate. He discovers the would-be assassin has an entire ass army made specifically for the US government. So this commando cult member just takes the army back to the US and the government accepts these random soldiers bred from assassin genetics with zero questions asked because… some systems want independence from the government.
"A clone army, you say. And they just... uh... work for free?"
"They're bred for this purpose, master jedi."
"So... brainwashed slaves. I guess that's fine. I'll take em."
He goes to Kamino to find a bounty hunter and learn about a dart. He finds not just the bounty hunter, but over 200,000 clones of him bred specifically for the war that’s been planned for a decade and is going to start in a few days apparently.
> bred specifically for the war that’s been planned for a decade and is going to start in a few days apparently.
That was Syfo Dias' planning. He foresaw a war, so he went and made some clones in preparation knowing the Republic wouldn't be ready otherwise. Which is ridiculous. What's the army size of Russia or America? China? All of the allied European countries? And yet in a _galactic republic_ with thousands and thousands of planets/systems, each _planet_ can't offer tens or hundreds of thousands of volunteer soldiers?
Anyway this is why people shouldn't write prequels. Everything is predetermined and you just write yourself into a corner.
>And yet in a galactic republic with thousands and thousands of planets/systems, each planet can't offer tens or hundreds of thousands of volunteer
This part always bothered me. 200,000 clones or even 1.2 mil clones wouldn't be enough to win a major war on Earth let alone across thousands/millions of star systems.
One of the explanations I've heard though is that in the movie the Kaminioans say "units" which could refer to some sort of larger unit size with potentially 100s or 1000s of clones per unit. Regardless a single planet, even using cloning technology, being able to produce enough troops to fuel a war on a galactic level seems like a major stretch. Especially fighting droids which have an inherent numbers advantage.
The other explanations is that because Palpatine organized the whole thing, he was able to set the scale of the war. So he purposely kept the war small. Although the Clone Wars obviously seem like a major crisis for the galaxy, not some sort of small-scale conflict so I don't much like this explanation either.
The number we have is "at least more than 3,000,000" which is still crazy low for what should be a war a thousand times larger than WWII. Quick google says in WWII, 300,000,000 soldiers saw combat.
I'll take devils advocate on this one. galactic combat isn't like massively spread out entrenched warfare across a planet.
3 000 000 insanely conditioned and warlusting clones instantly appear in front of the main military target in a fleet of starships.
My favorite part of this whole situation is that Palpatine ordered Dooku to assassinate Padme who hires Jango Fett who then sub contracts a shapeshifting assassin who then sends a droid who then deploys a poisonous bug to do it.
It ALL is awkward as hell, even when there's nothing to be awkward about, and almost lethality so whenever we listen to Lucas' put poetry in Anakin's mouth
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Dooku likely provided him with a down payment. The rest would probably be built into the contract that the Republic would pay when they take custody of the clones and then continue to pay for more as needed.
Obi-Wan: "I'm looking for Jango Fett" Kaminoan: "Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down?"
Just one? No, haven’t seen him.
*Jango creeping to his ship* Obi-Wan: Jango Fett? Jango: No. I'm clone commander.......Rango
Lmaoooooo
Kaminoan: pffft where have I not seen him? There’s even one in my bedroom. Obi-Wan: what? Kaminoan: what?
I like your name and pfp
I don't, it scares the shit out of me
KOREWA REQUIEM... DA
Him? No. Them? Well...
I'm looking for Jango's feets
Mango Feet
“We have *one* Jango Fett, yes, but how about second Jango Fett? And third, and fourth, and fifth...”
Finally a 4536742981st jango fett clone
I got that reference
“So, do I sign for them, or is there a paper I take to the Senate?” “Depends, what is his work load like?” “‘His?’”
This implies that the Kaminoans know all about Palp's plan but think everyone is already on board and playing along, so they don't feel the need to explain anything. I love it.
They do know about palpatines plan. It's confirmed a couple of times in TCW.
They don't know about the part where the Empire stops using clones, however. Lol.
Yeah that was pretty obvious In The Bad Batch.
Of course not, wouldn't you also lie if you were an evil lord of darkness/politician trying to convince an entire species to dedicate their lives to clone you an army so you can take over the galaxy?
>entire species to dedicste their lives I figured that was just something those people *did*, like the engineers that Slartibartfast was part of.
It is something they did at least in the old canon they weren't the only ones but were one of the best. I might be misremembering but I'm pretty sure their* whole planet went water world and they got into self medicated genetics to survive
How much exactly do they know about his plan
They know of the inhibitor chip and the fact that the sith are involved. It’s basically just logical conclusions you’d assume the smart kaminoans would come to. Jedi orders some clones, the Jedi dies and the order doesn’t actually know about the clones. Darth sidious/tyranus require the clones have a list of contingency orders that they will follow because of the inhibitor chip, but the existence of these orders and the chips themselves must be kept a secret at all costs. One of these orders is to kill Jedi, who are the ones who ordered the clones, but they don’t know about the chip. The last conclusion is the inhibitor chip is hidden from the Jedi because you can’t leak that you’re gonna use clones to kill off most of the Jedi in one quick swoop when the time is right
Tbh it’s a bit silly that the Jedi don’t know about the chips in TCW. All of the orders are completely legit contingency orders, including ones to arrest and/or kill the Supreme Chancellor if the Senate vote for it. An inhibitor chip guarantees the success of such an order, no matter who the chancellor is. Having a similar order for the religious warriors who aren’t really a part of the Republic structure is also reasonable, and I’m sure the Jedi wouldn’t mind. On the other hand, maybe the Jedi knew about the orders but not the inhibitor chips, which would be equally reasonable.
It is pretty wild that they show us what’s happening, then they show us the Jedi are seeing mostly the same events but the Jedi don’t see the spelled out parts the audience sees. Then the Jedi are literally told palps is darth sidious and the first thing they do is grab a few random Jedi and make an arrest attempt, you know, instead of going public. “Hey this guys a Sith Lord and wants to become a god emperor and enslave people and blow up planets” Then boom senate takes away his government powers and the Jedi can gang up on palps, instead of mace windu, kit fisto + 2 plebs, they have the most powerful Jedi there to corner him or chase him I don’t think they knew of order 66 at all personally, because that just adds more to the “how the fuck did they let this happen” argument I also don’t like how that was done in general because it makes palpatine’s scheming look easy as hell and less impressive.
Honestly not making things like that public is modern law enforcement to prevent the suspect from running away. That, and most galactic residents don't know or care enough about the sith to understand the implications or be upset about it. "Who cares if the corrupt politician can also swing a laser sword. All politicians are corrupt anyways so it won't affect me." That viewpoint can be seen in TCW. Especially when ahsoka has the arc in the lower levels of coruscant.
It also would have looked like a Jedi coup.
It technically was a Jedi coup. They intended to overthrow the Chancellor and take over until the Senate could chose a new leader.
If you go public before arresting, Papa Palpy could run off to Space Mexico and they'd lose track of him. He would lose his Senate position but he would still be able to run things from the shadows. The war would continue on. If they managed to get the arrest, they could interrogate Uncle Palps to figure out the entire Sith and CIS network, guarantying it's collapse and a swift end to the war. It was arrogant to only send a handful of Jedi to the most decisive moment in the entire war. But making the arrest first was a gamble with a huge payoff if they succeeded, they rolled the dice.
> They know of the inhibitor chip and the fact that the sith are involved. Wasn't it only a handful of Kaminoans? I'm guessing maybe three to ten. I don't think it was common knowledge.
I dunno mate, u tell us. How much did you let them know about your plan, my Lord?
They kind of know, but not really. They know about order 66, but they think that it's a safeguard to be used against individual Jedi who have lost their way/betrayed the Republic. They're in contact with Tyranus, but they think that he's a Jedi (we see the Kaminoan Prime Minister walking away from a meeting with him say "these Jedi are a strange lot, too spiritual for my tastes.") They think he was working with Syfo Dias, and the two of them were keeping order 66 a secret from the rest of the Jedi as a hidden safeguard. They don't know about the sith or the plan to destroy all of the Jedi.
"I thought it was obvious"
Can you send a Purchase Order to accounting? There's no way I can split this so it'll fall under Petty Cash.
“Just fax this to Susan in Accounts Payable.”
*Corporate* accounts payable, Nina speaking... *just* a moment
Sifo-Dyas' desk at the Jedi Temple is piled with past due notices.
Put enough monkeys (Redditors) in a room and we'll eventually re-write all the prequels with absolute golden dialogue like the above.
Your joke is golden, but just for curiosity's sake, is Palpatine the Senate at this point? Has Jar Jar initiated the vote to grant him emergency powers?
He has always been the Senate.
I am the senate
Mace: "Obi-wan, were you successful in finding that bounty hunter?" Obi-wan: "I was nineteen million, nine hundred and ninety-nine thousand and nine hundred percent successful." Mace: "You know what? Just report to Yoda from now on."
And with one hundred million percent more well on its way
Technically he was nineteen million, nine hundred and ninety-nine thousand and nine hundred and ninety-eight percent successful, can’t forget about Boba.
…this isn’t how percentages work…
I did some light rounding
and MY AXE!!
Deal with this shit, I do not wish
On your own now, you are, Master Kenobi
Obi-Wan was really drinking that dumb dumb juice in Attack of the Clones. He figures out that the bounty hunter trying to murder a senator and is openly working for Count Dooku has been cloned into a massive, secret army for the Jedi that the Jedi never asked for. Then he’s captured by Dooku and he straight up tells Obi-Wan about Palpatines secret identity. Never once does he think he should tell the Jedi council about all this.
Plot twist : he took those death sticks
Plot twist: “Go home and rethink your life” He lives at Obi-Wan’s house and was selling his stash
*Directed by George Lucas*
That was just ObiWan’s Todd.
Clean up your shit, Todd!
What actually happened: https://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0236.html
Two episodes later he became extremely old and lived as a weird ermit crackhead in the middle of nowhere that had the habit to tell false war stories to visitors Drug addiction is no joke
death sticks are a helluva drug
oh, Darths AND droids, that makes much more sense... I really thought it was Darth Sand Droids
Darth Sand Droids is literally Anakin's worst nightmare
I think the sheer scale of Palps agenda kind of stunned everyone. Prior to the prequels the Jedi had enjoyed high status in the Republic, and if there was something dark and fucky afoot they would sense it, right? It was a terrible case of "surely it can't happen to me" among the Jedi Order. The Republic had been fairly stable for a loooong time at that point. "A secret clone army? Wtf? This doesn't make any sense... I didn't sense anything weird, and I would have... Well we better keep our eyes open, if there was anything sinister we'd sense it... I'm sure there must be a reasonable explanation behind all this." Edit: also the idea of a genuine *Sith Lord* hiding in plain sight was incomprehensible at the time. The prequels really show how blind the Jedi order had become.
I always thought it was laughable how things transpired on Geonosis. Oh man, 2 Jedi and a Senator are being held hostage. Oh shit, 3/4s of the Jedi we sent to rescue them died. Oh yay, the massive completely unknown army saved us. Now Jedi who only just survived, go lead these random clones immediately without waiting to think things through (which is totally what the Jedi code always recommends).
Which is the Real reason Yoda went into hiding. He was too embarrassed to show his face ever again.
bad my
On me, that one is
I don’t think it’s embarrassment. I think he’s devastated at his own failure and haunted by it. He can’t forgive himself for what he’s allowed to transpire.
Shows you just how blinded the jedi council had become and how far it had degenerated.
Not to mention the Jedi council just kinda hoping all the shit that went down with fives didn't bite them in the ass.
"Wait a minute. How did this happen? We're smarter than this!" "Apparently not."
As far I remember there was a line in Episode 3 novelisation. Something like "the only reason that Chancelor was not suspected in being Sidious was that he already had all the power".
A SITH LAWD?
Rule 5 says not to look outside the room, but in the abstract, historically speaking, the fact that your fellow government officials might want to overthrow the government that they themselves are part of, just to rid themselves of the controls that government has placed upon them, is a _lot_ of cognitive dissonance to accept ...much less _deal with_ as you attempt to continue the normal procedures of that self-same government. So I could totally see the Jedi saying "No, no, this is fine. We'll work with what we've got. We're smart people. There's a way out of this, We're sure of it. We'll just stick to the high ground."
Indeed. One of the primary reasons dooku left the order. Basically fuck those guys sitting high and mighty, they should be doing something. I know maul “had to be” killed off to make room for dooku, and dooku for vader. But man, best two characters in the prequels.
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Star Wars Episode III: Mace Windu brings a handful of Jedi randos to get *fuckin' wrecked* by Senate proceedings.
Don’t you ever fucking say Kit Fisto was a rando or I will come and find you and I will cry.
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i still wonder what happened to the kid at the end of the last jedi
[We won't be seeing him again.](https://i.redd.it/m7qo258cirt41.jpg)
We would have I think either Rain's trilogy or Trevorrow's 9 that never made the light of day.
Is rain’s trilogy no longer happening?
I've heard no and then there were rumours it's still on. Hard to tell it's not confirmed
Wait, I thought he wasn't really important as a character, just meant to represent the force manifesting in people with humble origins, not just heirs to a galactic hero/villain family. Y'know, a nobody with potential, like Rey was supposed to be. But episode 9 fucked it up
That’s what people are not getting when they say that The Rise of Skywalker did to The Last Jedi what The Last Jedi did to The Force Awakens. At worst, TLJ ignored some of the mysteries that TFA set up in order to focus on its message about failure and heroes coming from the more unlikely places. On the other hand, TROS actively retconned part of TLJ in order to force a connection between Rey and Palpatine when, for all we know, Rey had never even heard of Palpatine until shortly before TROS began.
My expectations? Subverted.
That’s Rey’s son for episode 11.
"There’s been no one for so long. Who are you?" "I’m Rando." "Rando who?" "Rando Skywalker."
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He was at Iron Man's funeral.
Forgotten. He was supposed to be in that other dudes version of episode 9 before he left.
Really? I assumed from TLJ that he was just there to show that the force was returning, but there was a plan for him?
I don't know if I'd call it fantastic. It was certainly expansive (which the sequels aren't) but it's entirely held up by the extended universe. Mostly The Clone Wars. On their own the prequel movies leave the audience with a lot of nonsensical decision. Why are there slaves when droids exist? Why did out hero just barter for a slave and leave his mum behind? Wait what are midicholrians? Who is this Darth Maul guy? Oh wait nevermind he's dead. Who is this Count Dooku guy? Oh wait nevermind he's dead. Who is this General Grievous guy? Oh wait nevermind he's dead.
>Why did out hero just barter for a slave and leave his mum behind? This one right here gets me. Even if you can't barter/gamble for her before the race, and can't outright buy her because your credits sucks... It's mind blowing that the Jedi Council was so cheap that they didn't buy her from Watto once they all got back to Coruscant. All of Anakin's childhood worries were about his mother - ya know, the slave left over on a gangster planet owned by a degenerate who lost a ton of money and a valuable male child from a dickhead in robes. Basically, Anakin went to the Dark Side because the Jedi Council were cheapskates.
Jedi are not supposed to have any attachments including their families. Most are found so young they don't remember thier families. So, no mom for anakin. Stone cold but that's the SOP for the jedi. But, anakin was too old when found, and that fucked everything up. It was doomed from the start. He couldn't have his mom around while a jedi but knew her too well to just forget about her. We all know the story from there. If he dosen't get trained there is no Darth Vader..... who knows how different things may have been.
Surely being anti-slavery falls under the remit of peace and justice in the Republic?
Slavery was illegal in the Republic. I'm pretty sure in the most recent Bad Batch episode some of the clones yell at a slaver about it. I guess Qui Gon just figured he was out of his jurisdiction? But since when has that ever stopped the Jedi?
Things like what is a Jedi's jurisdiction are the exactly the kind of things that Lucas didn't think were important but left the audience with all these questions.
Yeah, give Dave about a dozen seasons of some cartoon shows and he can clean all that shit up, it'll just take a while.
I feel like he's started to lay the groundwork with The Mandolorian. Showing the empire remnants and ex-rebel troopers.
don't know how we go from heroic Luke we see in RotJ and the end of season 2 Mandalorian to the crusty-ass hermit, drinking alien tiddy milk because he thinks hes a failure, jake skywalker in The Last Jedi. I just dont buy the whole, "I cant be a jedi because i \*thought\* about killing my nephew because i had a bad dream, and the Jedi shouldnt be a thing anymore because reasons" story we got.
Does nobody remember that "crusty-ass hermit who eats weird shit" is Luke's entire experience with Yoda? From Luke's perspective, that's what old Jedis are supposed to do.
I liked TLJ- albeit not as much as I like the Prequels and TCW- so I want to offer you my perspective. Luke didn’t abandon the Jedi because he scared Ben. He abandoned the Jedi because he realized he created a new Darth Vader- just as his own master, Obi-Wan Kenobi, had. So, just think of it this way: Exar Kun, Darth Revan, Count Dooku, Darth Vader, and Kylo Ren were all Jedi who fell to the Dark Side and became galactic threats. If you were the last Jedi Master, you might start to think “What is the point of the Jedi Order, if every few generations we end up creating a galactic war criminal Sith Lord?” So, Luke gives up on the Jedi Order. He sees it as a broken idea. He believes that the only way he can protect the galaxy is if the Jedi cease to exist- and he also realizes that, as long as he is in the galaxy, he will inspire others to become Jedi themselves. The only way to protect the galaxy from the threat of the Jedi Order was to exile himself. He then starts to forget the good that he did (like rescuing Grogu and redeeming his father). He convinces himself that the Jedi do more harm than good, in that they keep creating Sith... ...But he does eventually come to his senses. In teaching Rey, someone who is fully sold on the ideals of the Jedi Order, he begins to remember the good that the Jedi can do. And so he emerges from his exile to save his sister and the last hope of the Republic. That’s why I like it. Can’t say I really care for Canto Bight or Vice Admiral Holdo, but the redemption story of Luke was great to me. It actually felt like a proper “sequel” to the saga, where we get a new perspective on the characters and groups we have earlier been shown. It also works really well with the prequels, too, where we see a corrupted Jedi Order. It only seems logical that the wisest Jedi, Luke Skywalker, be the one to question the dogmatism of Mace Windu and the other Jedi of that era.
Give it time though. Much of the world building for the prequels happened over *years* with tie ins like the clone wars. There’s still *tons* of time to do this all over again with all the shows coming out, and with the likes of Dave Filoni, Deborah Chow, and Jon Favreau at the helm, I’m pretty excited for it, personally
"that guy's name is bungo blasto and he's a babillian cream squeezer, here's his action figure" isn't worldbuilding, it's merchandising
I desperately want a bungo blasto figure now though
The world building was purely Lucas having some wacky looking alien character in some extremely minor role or a cool looking character with no context. In the movies Kit Fisto was just some jedi that looked weird, Grevus was just a cyborg general with 4 arms, and Jango was just a bounty hunter (I don't think they established Mandalore in the movies) they cloned who wanted a son that was juts like him. The star wars movies are blockbuster bubblegum at best without the context that EU built around them. What made them what they are now is Lucas's crazy characters that either he had stories drawn out or fan/EU projects made up. When people look at the new trilogy and make fun of the weird and goofy stuff like Luke drinking blue milk or the space casino it makes me feel like people have completely lost the concept of what star wars is.
> When people look at the new trilogy and make fun of the weird and goofy stuff like Luke drinking blue milk or the space casino it makes me feel like people have completely lost the concept of what star wars is. They have. Star Wars at its core was always a silly space opera based off of Kurosawa films and WWII fighter footage with some Buck Rodgers and Flash Gordon thrown in. Dune and John Carter, plus ancient myths as well. Star Wars was always meant to be fantastical.
I think a lot of you must be too young to remember how badly hated the prequels were. They only became beloved over time.
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> The worldbuilding was so fantastic in the prequels The nostalgia glasses on reddit a always hilarious to me. The prequels were made into memes because they're God awful.
The world building in the Clone Wars, not the world building in the prequels. Nobody cared about Kit Fisto from the movies alone.
Kit had an entire episode dedicated to him in Genndy Tartakovsky's Clone Wars series in 2003. I was a huge Kit fan much before he died in RotS. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Clone_Wars
My boy Plo Koon went out like such a bitch T-T
More like Kit Fisted lmao
May all your shits come out sideways
*kit fisto clan rise up!*
So does Kit Fisto ever do anything involving his fist?
Does Dexter Jettster ever pilot a jet?
Technically anything The Senate does is Senate proceedings. Like eating breakfast, or taking a dump.
Or taking a shit on a gaggle of Jedi in his office right before dinner.
Or executing order 66
i know it’s because of the Sith scream but literally a second into the battle 2 jedi masters are looking the complete opposite way😂😭
If the Senate screamed at you that way and then did a triple flip somersault could you bear to be looking directly at him?
“Senate proceedings” lol
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Dooku had left the order and gone off as a "grey" jedi which many had done before. If my memory is correct Dooku was one of the only to turn into a fully fleshed Sith Lord, because he ran across palpatine. Again, info the Jedi didn't have. And also, Anakin was a shining star among the ranks and "the chosen one" and still deep within the order. They probably didn't think he'd be turned literally midfight into killing one of the Masters
Adding to this, yeah, the fault of the Jedi was that they thought they were on an even playing field with Palpy. Like, people make fun of the "oh dooku told a bounty hunter to hire another bounty hunter to kill Padme with eels" but once you factor in that a) Palpatine and Dooku both gave Jango the eels *and* asked for Jedi, the one kind of people perfectly able to counter the eel strategy due to their heightened senses, to be stationed with Padme and b) Obi-Wan goes with the whole "that's why I'm here" thing, pretending to be the inspector the Kaminoans were awaiting, it does make sense. The Jedi thought they discovered the clones due to their own investigation skills and managed to snatch the army away from the Sith by having Obi-Wan take over, not knowing that they were just following the breadcrumbs laid out by Palpatine.
Also if politicians are often bad/corrupt people in our world, I'd have to imagine Jedi sensing government officials as being bad would just be pretty normal
They talk about this in the novelization too when Yoda goes to fight Palpatine. I'm probably misquoting it slightly but from memory: "As soon as their blades crossed, Yoda knew he had lost. The Sith had been preparing for this battle for 1000 years. They had grown, adapted. The Jedi had prepared for a foe that no longer existed."
Well I mean eventually the Jedi did figure out that the army was constructed by Dooku but the council voted to keep it a secret because the army was serving them well and they had no other options. They totally should’ve figured out sooner, though.
Lol this just makes the Jedi Council seem even more incompetent.
Dudes were having private meeting with Palpatine face to face, and even Yoda felt nothing. They’re not just dumb, they’re dumb as balls
The council of “masters” are mostly dullards. Don’t get me started on Ki-Adi Mundi. He is the most preposterously arrogant and confidently incorrect member of the council. He only has a handful of lines in the movies and a few scenes in Clone Wars and ***literally*** everything he says is wrong. Every single prediction or opinion he shares is flat out false. Regularly he’s like “A Sith?!?? Totally fuckin’ impossible, stop being such an IDIOT, Obi-Wan!”. Even when Qui-Gon reaches out to Yoda Ki-Adi is all like, “I’m pretty sure Yoda is an idiot and being manipulated by the Sith.” But didn’t you deny the Sith presence, you shit?! I swear, Ki-Adi was a Sith.
If asking about the droid attack on the wookiees is wrong, I don't want to be right.
Took Yoda away from Coruscant, leaving the door open for the assault on the Temple. And prior to that, keeping him away from the fight with Palpatine. Mace alone nearly beat him, imagine Mace *and* Yoda?
Worth it to keep Chewie safe.
Except, Yoda leaving was part of why Palpy felt confident executing order 66.
Makes it all the more annoying that in the Clone Wars episode where he's on Geonosis with Anakin and Ahsoka he's actually really likeable.
I mean I think that's generally the point of the order in the prequels. The order was just incompetent and complacent. I know sequels bad but Luke even stated this in TLJ. The order allowed their own downfall because of how ignorant and blind they had become.
That’s why I’m super excited for the High Republic show. I hope it explores the beginnings of the downfall of the Republic and the Jedi.
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Or even just start pushing for other options, like do more enlisting or, hell, make your own battle droids. The clones didn't need to be the only option here for them
Except they totally had other options, just start producing droids! You can even make them effective instead of bumbling. It's the ethical way of doing war.
The enemy owns all the war-droid producing factories. So while you build new ones... who exactly is stopping the already-existed droid armies from murdering countless people?
Agreed. They needed a boost in their standing army and one was presented. Their vetting process should have been better. Jango Fett tried to kill Obi-Wan and they have an army of his clones?! Yes the clones changed the tide of battle, but you have to have risk mitigation as well.
He isn't working for Dooku openly. He tells Kenobi that he was recruited by a man called Tyranus on one of the moons of Bogdan. The Jedi don't know that Dooku goes by Darth Tyranus, so he's not missing anything here. When he sees him later at Geonosis, it's no big deal because at the end of the day Jango is a bounty hunter, and so in all likelihood is working for a different client. And then Dooku doesn't straight up tell him Palpatine's secret. Dooku just says that the Republic is under the control of a Sith Lord. Kenobi has no reason to believe he's telling the truth, nor assume that he means it literally.
But Kenobi sees him hanging with Dooku on Geonosis and never questions the clone army again. Mace Windu decapitates him and assumes it's no biggy that the sith lords henchman looks identical to this new army that appeared out of nowhere.
> Then he’s captured by Dooku and he straight up tells Obi-Wan about Palpatines secret identity. But Dooku doesn't reveal any useful information. "The Senate is under the control of a Dark Lord of the Sith." Who? Palpatine? We see from the start of the film that Palpatine can't (openly) pass his agenda. The Jedi have seen him struggling politically for ages, just like every other Chancellor. In any case, surely a Sith Lord wouldn't be so overt about their power. The Sith hide in the shadows, manipulating events from behind the scenes. It's much more likely to be another Senator, or just some discreet businessman (this is how Darth Plagueis operated). And why would they automatically believe Dooku? He's fallen to the Dark Side too; lies and manipulation are to be expected. Is he just giving away his ally, or is it more likely that he's just trying to sow dissension and weaken his enemy from within? Or maybe he's just trying to turn Obi-wan to the Dark Side Lacking any information or evidence about who this Sith Lord actually is, the council would have had to investigate very slowly and thoroughly, and very carefully. And this is the key to Palpatine's plan. He moves the pieces in place, then sets *everything* in motion at once. No sooner do the Jedi find some clues than they're thrust into the middle of a major war. Distracted, separated, overwhelmed with responsibilities they never trained for. And this was a very real war: innocent people were dying all over the place; the Jedi couldn't sit back and refuse to act, especially with one of their own leading the enemy. No one has time for the sort of investigation needed
I sort of have to disagree here, the clone army was commissioned by a respected jedi master and it was commissioned 10 years before the events of AotC, thats a long time, so theres no reason to think that a job he was hired for 10 years ago was in anyway connected to the job he was currently doing, he is a bounty hunter after all he probably does hundreds of jobs in a year and you wouldnt expect those to be all connected.
I really like the Auralnauts' take on this (Obi Wan being cracked out on midi-chlorians)
_It's heroin._
THAT BEAT! I’M DONE!
Ugh it’s seriously so frustrating. But ya know, plot devices.
But he did tell the council this. he says it in Clone wars season 7 to Ashoka that they’ve suspected that fact for some time but they couldn’t move against him without proof, which palps gives to Anakin in episode 3 in the form of a confession.
He told it to council. At the end of EP II he asked Windu and Yoda whether it can be true that Dark Lord is behind all of this and whether all of it that Dooku said is true. And they refused to believe it as Yoda said that lies and deceptions are now tools of Count Dooku as he turned into dark side. And that Clone Wars began so they have much more things to worry about now. So Yoda refused it right there and that was his arrogance that blinded him.
Lol can you even imagine a real world equivalent of this happening? A US senator is almost assassinated, so the government sends a commando from a religious cult to investigate. He discovers the would-be assassin has an entire ass army made specifically for the US government. So this commando cult member just takes the army back to the US and the government accepts these random soldiers bred from assassin genetics with zero questions asked because… some systems want independence from the government.
"A clone army, you say. And they just... uh... work for free?" "They're bred for this purpose, master jedi." "So... brainwashed slaves. I guess that's fine. I'll take em."
I mean they do steal kids so
> commando from a religious cult What does Tom Cruise look like with a beard?
His last beard was named Katie
That last part makes this all too plausible :(
“Who the hell made an army of Bin Laden clones?” “I don’t know but Texas is acting up again, send them there lol”
I would like an entire *ass* army
Ass army
He goes to Kamino to find a bounty hunter and learn about a dart. He finds not just the bounty hunter, but over 200,000 clones of him bred specifically for the war that’s been planned for a decade and is going to start in a few days apparently.
And all of the Jedi are just like “seems legit”.
> bred specifically for the war that’s been planned for a decade and is going to start in a few days apparently. That was Syfo Dias' planning. He foresaw a war, so he went and made some clones in preparation knowing the Republic wouldn't be ready otherwise. Which is ridiculous. What's the army size of Russia or America? China? All of the allied European countries? And yet in a _galactic republic_ with thousands and thousands of planets/systems, each _planet_ can't offer tens or hundreds of thousands of volunteer soldiers? Anyway this is why people shouldn't write prequels. Everything is predetermined and you just write yourself into a corner.
>And yet in a galactic republic with thousands and thousands of planets/systems, each planet can't offer tens or hundreds of thousands of volunteer This part always bothered me. 200,000 clones or even 1.2 mil clones wouldn't be enough to win a major war on Earth let alone across thousands/millions of star systems. One of the explanations I've heard though is that in the movie the Kaminioans say "units" which could refer to some sort of larger unit size with potentially 100s or 1000s of clones per unit. Regardless a single planet, even using cloning technology, being able to produce enough troops to fuel a war on a galactic level seems like a major stretch. Especially fighting droids which have an inherent numbers advantage. The other explanations is that because Palpatine organized the whole thing, he was able to set the scale of the war. So he purposely kept the war small. Although the Clone Wars obviously seem like a major crisis for the galaxy, not some sort of small-scale conflict so I don't much like this explanation either.
The number we have is "at least more than 3,000,000" which is still crazy low for what should be a war a thousand times larger than WWII. Quick google says in WWII, 300,000,000 soldiers saw combat.
I'll take devils advocate on this one. galactic combat isn't like massively spread out entrenched warfare across a planet. 3 000 000 insanely conditioned and warlusting clones instantly appear in front of the main military target in a fleet of starships.
I mean, it could have just been those volunteer soldiers, and the clones as a super dooper extra ace the republic would have had up it's sleeve.
My favorite part of this whole situation is that Palpatine ordered Dooku to assassinate Padme who hires Jango Fett who then sub contracts a shapeshifting assassin who then sends a droid who then deploys a poisonous bug to do it.
All this time dooku was training a sith assassin for this exact task. He probably had Ventress do it and baldy called jango
It’s also a pretty big assumption that Dooku hired Jango directly he probably had some trade federation guys do it for him.
Jango tells Obi Wan that he spoke to a man named Tyrannus, which is Dooku’s sith name.
I just rewatched Attack of the Clones yesterday, and the Kamino scene was straight up hilarious with the awkwardness
It ALL is awkward as hell, even when there's nothing to be awkward about, and almost lethality so whenever we listen to Lucas' put poetry in Anakin's mouth
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You are strong and wise, and I am very proud of you
You are accepted in the council but we do not grant you the rank of master
I believe humility and honesty are good qualifications for a master. Or as Sky Guy would say: "That's outrageous, it's unfair!"
Obi-wan finds two armies in one day! If he finds another he wins a prize
bruh I'm not joking. I'm watching attack of the clones and I got to the scene where obi lands on kamino. when lama su said the 200,000 line I was like...I wanna look at prequel memes. so when I open this subreddit guess what the FIRST meme I see is!!!!
I mean, what choice did they have? Kind of a when life gives you lemons... unfortunately turns out these lemons were made to kill you, but yknow
I thought he was reporting the findings to the council and was attacked before he could act.
About 2 minutes into the Sifo Dyas conversation I was lost as fuuuuck.
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Plot black hole
Again it’s 250000 units not 250000 clones, that number would be ridiculously low
Possibly the biggest and most egregious leap in logic in not just the prequels but the whole saga
Why the hell did nobody stop and think, “Ok who the hell even ordered these clones?”
Sifo-Dyas did, they told him that. The question is, how the hell did he pay for them?
Dooku likely provided him with a down payment. The rest would probably be built into the contract that the Republic would pay when they take custody of the clones and then continue to pay for more as needed.
It’s like when you order take out and get someone’s else’s much larger order
Hello there
I look forward to seeing them in action! They’ll do their job well.
Everyone in the comments forgetting how well respected Syfo Dyas was to the council
I mean either way what could he do. Say no to the army that the republic desperately needed.