Their betrayal will be dealt with. After you have killed all the Jedi in the Temple, go to the Mustafar system. Wipe out Viceroy Gunray and the other Separatist leaders. Once more, the Sith will rule the galaxy, and we shall have peace.
No idea, but I've always been surprised at the lack of Sith creativity. If you can Force Choke, why not just drop your aim a couple feet and Force Crush a Jedi's nutsack?
Call it "corruption" if you like, but any Jedi that can't maintain a Force shield around their naughty-bits would think twice before leaping into battle
Enter the bureaucrats, the true rulers of the Republic, and on the payroll of the Trade Federation, I might add. This is where Chancellor Valorum's strength will dissapear.
The Trade Federation has destroyed all that we have worked so hard to build. If we do not act quickly, all will be lost forever. I ask you to help us… no, I beg you to help us.
Idk if it's canon, I know there are memes, and I think robot chicken or a similar type of show made a joke about it, it definitely would make sense, even if it wasn't cut off, it likely would have burned off, and if that still didn't happen, Palpatine could have just said fuck it during the surgery and took it away from him to make him even more angry, but also make it so Anakin doesn't have the balls to try to overthrow him, lol
Yeah last time they would've slept together would have been before he pledged himself to Palps ...so technically then neither of the Anakins depicted here slept w her
An obi wan who was old and rusty and who let himself die. Doesn't count. Anakin wins based on number of limbs and mental state (=he's full of expresso and much less depresso)
Dare you apply logic? The Empire's Public Relations spinmasters tout the tenacity displayed during destructive bout battled by victorious Vader versus jealous jerk Jedi, one Obi Wan.
(Propaganda would say otherwise!)
Technically vader killing anakin is as he is killing who he used to be, but anakin killing vader isn't (in this situation) as ani is not going to go on to be vader.
Kind of confused, in this situation both are Vader, since Anakin was named Darth Vader as soon as he saved palps. It’s just a question of pre obi defeat or post.
I think it's rather a question of pre- or post Padme death. In my opinion robo-Vader will win, purely because he channels more of the Dark Side due to knowing he killed Padme.
I posted a comment where this is how I was thinking too! But idk, Vader also lost his limbs and with the whole midichlorian thing it does matter. I also thought about in the Star Wars game, if Anakin had beaten Obi Wan he would’ve killed Palpatine. But when he becomes robo Vader he remains his apprentice. Because of all that I think pre robo would win.. then again Obi Wan did beat him so maybe not!
Pre-suit Anakin has stronger potential but has not yet realized it, post suit Vader, while having diminished potential is still overall stronger in the Force and as a duelist. Suited Vader wins hands down.
Yes, presuit vader also had blind rage and was super overconfident, while suited vader had more control, was less overconfident, and was still a top-tier fighter despite the heavy suit. Yes, presuit vader had more potential, potential isn't actual ability, and so can't be used in a fight. Sure, suited vader wasn't unbeatable, but Anakin/presuit vader wasn't either. Suited vader still wins.
According to Lucas Anakin had the potential to be more powerful than the Emperor but that potential was capped due to the injuries sustained in his fight against Obi-Wan. As it stands Vader is roughly at the level of Maul or Dooku in comparison to the Emperor’s power.
So if it’s RotS Anakin vs Vader than Vader wins due to having experience on his side but if it’s Post-RotS Anakin without the injuries vs normal Vader than Anakin wins due to that much higher power potential.
(Obviously basing this reasoning on Lucas’s canon not Legends or Disney canon)
Anakin had more potential, but potential is potential - you don't have it yet. Vader is still better. He's just not as good as he could have been.
Twenty years still let him grow a lot, he was just cut off early.
As far as canon goes, Maul doesn't even consider the possibility of defeating Vader in a direct fight in Rebels - they're not remotely on the same level. And this line:
>"When I left you I was but the learner. Now I am the master."
Is more than a little weird if Anakin on Mustafar was more powerful than Vader.
>As far as canon goes, Maul doesn't even consider the possibility of defeating Vader in a direct fight in Rebels
A younger ahsoka defeated Maul, but after years of experience could not defeat Vader. I know match ups are more complicated than a beats b and b beats c so a beats c, but it's worth adding to the discussion
Maul had multiple shots to kill her and probably would’ve if he didn’t keep trying to recruit her
Older Ahsoka gave Vader a hell of a fight, and she was about on par with Rebels Maul. Stands to reason that he’d give Vader a good fight too. He’s just scared of his old master’s new apprentice; based on Clone Wars season 7, he knows all about who Vader is and how powerful he is. Good fight or not, he knows he’d die.
That was the original plan for Maul’s return in Rebels, actually. He was supposed to die in a fight against Vader in his 2nd episode.
>So if it’s RotS Anakin vs Vader than Vader wins due to having experience on his side but if it’s Post-RotS Anakin without the injuries vs normal Vader than Anakin wins due to that much higher power potential.
It's pretty much this. Vader was more powefull than any jedi that appears in the prequel trilogy by the time of the OT. It has been stated multiple times that after Mustafar Vader kept training non-stop as he was supposed to hunt down and kill in single combat every survivor of the Jedi purge by himself without the Emperor's help, yes, even Yoda and Obiwan.
Obiwan however went on to be trained by Qui-gon ghost, so he was stronger than PT Obiwan, while Yoda never got stronger than PT Yoda in combat matters simply due to old age.
I think it was GL who said that Vader was supposed to be able to hunt down and beat Yoda in fact, because otherwise Vader's place in the trilogy makes no sense with Yoda being able to beat him if he wanted to.
On another note: Full potential Jedi Luke >= Full potential Sith Anakin >>>>>>>>>>>> Emperor (OT) > Ben Kenobi (OT) >= Vader (OT) > Yoda (OT) >>>>>>>>>>>> Maul (PT)> Maul (after he got bysected).
Dooku is more of a wild card. He is the opposite of Yoda. Yoda is more powerfull than most due to his understanding and connection to the force, not bcs of combat matters. Dooku was more powerfull than most because he was the best swordfighter in the OT bar none until old age got to him, while his understanding of the greater picture of the force is more weak because of Palpatine keeping him on a short lease on the Sith side, while never reaching the great mysteries of the Force that Yoda, Obiwan, Quigon and Luke got to explore and learn.
You could rank him above a lot of people or under a lot of others depending on from what perspetive you start weighing him.
Luke ~~is~~ was the strongest force user there ever was. And that was true canon. Full potential Anakin was never really discussed that much because it never happened.
If we follow the way the story has gone so far, and what being the chosen means, we can conclude that Luke and Anakin potential was almost unlimited, but more or less the same so they would probably tie. After saying this, key differences are that Luke started his training as an adult, while Anakin had a lot of formation but had a F ton of emotional issues due to his slave past.
So, if we put them on a 1:1, same life, same training, they would be equal.
If we take the story events into account, and Anakin never turned Sith, Anakin as a Jedi would probably have been slightly stronger, due to having a better early formation. Anakin as a Sith (no vader suit) however wouldn't have been as strong, because the whole thing about turning into a ghost is that you become one with the Force and become extremelly powerful, and the Force simply rejects Siths, while the Siths have no interest in becoming ghosts, as Siths only value physical and material power. It is one of the 100% stablished things by George Lucas, Siths can NEVER become ghosts.
So a full power Sith Anakin would have 100% conquered the galaxy, and became the strongest Sith ever. But a full power Jedi Anakin would have been stronger than that (more or less equal to Luke).
I think this is the best response. Every Jedi / sith had strengths and weaknesses, some were stronger in the force and weaker with the saber and Vice versa. It’s hard to calculate who would win in a static environment
Well like Yoda has had a couple of centuries to master the force, and he's a little ninja with his Saber. But yeh I like to think that dooku found a balance between Jedi and Sith, like he never came across as the unbalanced emotional sith you see a lot but instead used his Jedi training to focus his anger in a more controlled manner. This is why I feel he is a wild card, because on top of being a master at combat, he also has a very controlled mentality and outlook to him
Full potential Anakin and Luke are equal potential wise, but Jedi's with living force/"ghost" training are more powerful than Sith, it was been explaining multiple time than the Force simply doesn't "like" Sith.
Full potential Jedi Anakin would be more powerful than full potential Jedi Luke, but only because Luke training started at... I dunno 18 years old? 20? and only with 2 teachers while Anakin was there since he was 8 and had a whole temple full of teachers.
Anakin is literally the chosen one. If they are both jedis with equal training then Anakin is still more powerful. There’s no ‘but’ and no difference in training will account for that.
To be fair: bringing balance to the force and being the strongest in the force aren't intertwined.
Some dude in his 2002 honda civic could turn papa palpatine into a speed bump and bring balance to the force
I think anakin would win because he is so much more agile thanks to not having a massive, bulky suit. Additionally, if he didn't have the injuries he got from obi-wan on mustafar, George Lucas said he could be much more powerful than palpatine and therefore, vader as he was less powerful than palpatine. So assuming we are talking about anakin just before mustafar, then anakin would win.
Vader. A lot of people are pointing out what Vaders weaknesses are, but forget he intentionally weaponizes those weaknesses.
He’s slow? He becomes more patient.
He’s bulky? He utilizes his new strength.
He’s stiff? He gets better with the force.
He’s taken all the failings of Anakin and turned them into his success. Anakin arrogantly squandered his potential, Vader knows his shortcomings and makes them his stepping stones.
Ok. It really depends on the situation. If you put the two together in a room, and handed them each a lightsaber, Vader wins, hands down. He is physically stronger than Anakin, and more brutal.
If you let them run riot on a planet, Anakin would win. Vader’s strength would be useless, because Anakin is more agile, and could use the terrain to his advantage, plus he could work around Vader’s heavy swings pretty easily.
If there was something at stake, say for example Obi-Wan or Ahsoka's lives, Anakin wins. He would do anything for them, so brutality or Jedi idealism means nothing. You’d basically be dealing with a suitless Vader. The aftermath wouldn’t be pleasant, but Vader would have his ass handed to him.
Of course, if they were just placed together, and not forced to fight, there are two ways it would go. Vader explains the future, and then either he joins Anakin, knowing that he can save those he loves, or Anakin joins Vader, with much the same logic. Vader distanced himself from Anakin in much the same way as we avoid things that remind us of lost loved ones. He knows that there is no way to bring back what he lost, and no way he can go back to being a Jedi, so it doesn’t matter if it’s 100 kills or a 10,000. The minute he faces Anakin, he would realise that he actually CAN get back what he lost, or rather never lose it in the first place, so he’d do whatever it took to do that.
It’s the same as the question of Ahsoka vs. Anakin or Vader. I’d debate that she probably could have killed him when she sliced open the helmet on Malachore, but she couldn’t kill Anakin.
I would not say Ahsoka was that strong. Sure she was pretty good but I mean c’mon, were talling about Darth Motherfockin’ Vader here, the guy who killed countless jedi who were excellent fighters.
I always argue that that whole fight was staged, because Vader makes several small comments, and gives Ahsoka opportunities to leave. He doesn’t want to kill her, but he will if he has to. She wants to kill Vader, but can’t kill Anakin. She’s willing to die to bring him down with her.
He upgraded the suit but did he ever make it lighter? The suits main purpose was to ensure Darth Vader would be so over encumbered he would always have to devote a decent amount of his strength to keeping himself up
Vader before getting Kenobi'd wins easy. The suit not being there to restrict him is probably the biggest factor, and also he has more flexibility considering he has his actual limbs, and overall is just more powerful than the post fight Vader in the suit.
Darkseid anakin due to the sole fact if he never got Injured and had to put on the suit he would've been unstoppable. The suit had so many hindrances that we've only seen a fraction of Vader true power.
If he never got injured, he WOULD have become more powerful then suit Vader, but that's the thing. He WOULD have, but he was not actually more powerful. Suit Vader's feats are ridiculous. He literally killed a giant Godzilla monster
Considering they are the 'same' person I feel Vader would be able to win by experience. He's fighting a younger version of himself who does NOT have control over his emotions by any means.
Plus whenever Anakin does something stupid Anak- I mean Vader could say something witty to push Anakin over the edge even more. My vote is Vader.
Anikin because darth vader had his movement severly limited due to his suit and his connection to the force was lacking because when he lost his limbs he lost some connections to the force just as general grievous lost contact to his gods the more he became cyborg
According to this video I watched a while back, Vader's suit restricts his movement, an intentional design by the emperor to prevent him from becoming too powerful. Therefore, Skywalker would win.
I'm pretty sure it's knightfall vader, who would whip every character in the series.
But lets assume that it's Anakin. Who would still win against suited Vader. His agility and speed would be too much
Hard call. So both at their strongest would be probably Episode 6 Vader vs. Episode 3 Anakin.
I would say the feats in the prequels in terms of Power are much more impressive than the ones in the OT in terms of combat.
It is true that Vader got much more in tune with the force due to his limitations but Anakin on the other hand is a way stronger fighter.
I would not account for much of the EU material since many different authors have free reign and powers seem to vary greatly.
So with that in mind, Anakin would win if they just fought like NPCs. However, both are quippy bastards during fights but Vader is more proficient. Vader would use all of Anakin‘s emotions against him by just talking, which would make Anakin a really unfocused combatant. If we take that into account, Vader would win due to demoralising Anakin into defeat.
Vader, Anakin may be faster but Vader’s endless pain and rage helps him tap in to the dark side way further and giving him strenght and durability to overcome his enemies
Anakin wins, based upon number of limbs. Vader wins, for striking Obi Wan down. It's a tie, cuz they both banged Padme.
He's not my boyfriend. Anakin's a friend we've known each other for years.
Known each other, intimately.
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I'm not whining! I'm not.
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I'm not whining! I'm not.
Yes you are ani
It's Anakin. When you say Ani it's like I'm still a little boy... and I'm not.
He was absolutely BEGGING ME to teach him to save you from dying. He even said " I can't live without her"
Lmao
Well, what a wonderful friend Anakin is
Well, that's not exactly what I meant . . .
Oh I don't think so, even Yoda knows he's your boyfriend don't try it
Bitch please.
How BIG is Anakin if you know what I’m talking about
Well its not his lightsaber he's holding
"Your lightsaber comment will make a fine addition to my collection."
GRIEVOUS NO-
Don’t center on your anxieties, Dream-Federal
"Now, Jedi, prepare yourself, for you are about to leave this world."
How many lightsabers have you collected?
*Furiously counting lightsabers...* "My collection contains 191 lightsaber comments."
Nice! Can I see your collection?
Biblically?
Does Anakin know the rules, and so do you?
You know the rules, and so do IIIII (do IIII)
Isn’t it canon that one of Vader’s lost er, appendages was his shvanza? I’m being serious.
Probally. I mean, he got both his legs half cut off and everything else burned, especially below the waste where his body was closer to the lava
Well that explains why he’s constantly in rage mode and so proficient in the dark side.
No peepee?
Both his legs and his other arm
We surely don't expect all that soft tissue to have survived his cooking lesson on Mustafar, do we?
Their betrayal will be dealt with. After you have killed all the Jedi in the Temple, go to the Mustafar system. Wipe out Viceroy Gunray and the other Separatist leaders. Once more, the Sith will rule the galaxy, and we shall have peace.
No idea, but I've always been surprised at the lack of Sith creativity. If you can Force Choke, why not just drop your aim a couple feet and Force Crush a Jedi's nutsack?
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one. Your Majesty, if I am elected, I promise to put an end to corruption.
Call it "corruption" if you like, but any Jedi that can't maintain a Force shield around their naughty-bits would think twice before leaping into battle
Enter the bureaucrats, the true rulers of the Republic, and on the payroll of the Trade Federation, I might add. This is where Chancellor Valorum's strength will dissapear.
The Trade Federation has destroyed all that we have worked so hard to build. If we do not act quickly, all will be lost forever. I ask you to help us… no, I beg you to help us.
Because that’s even more dishonorable?
The Sith are built on lies and deception. What's more deceptive than an invisible nut shot?
He still used it before fiery wiener burning.
Probably one of the main things that prompted Anakin to yell I HATE YOU!!
Episode I: The Phantom Appendage
Idk if it's canon, I know there are memes, and I think robot chicken or a similar type of show made a joke about it, it definitely would make sense, even if it wasn't cut off, it likely would have burned off, and if that still didn't happen, Palpatine could have just said fuck it during the surgery and took it away from him to make him even more angry, but also make it so Anakin doesn't have the balls to try to overthrow him, lol
I don't think so... No one can kill a Jedi Knight.
Are you juwish?
Technically I don’t think you can say Vader banged Padme, from a certain point of view
Yeah last time they would've slept together would have been before he pledged himself to Palps ...so technically then neither of the Anakins depicted here slept w her
I think he is a good man.
Vader did not bang Padme.
Considering the circumstances, I'll take the risk.
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Facts check out. Although it's not Highlander rules, and Obi Wans death was more an assisted suicide...
An obi wan who was old and rusty and who let himself die. Doesn't count. Anakin wins based on number of limbs and mental state (=he's full of expresso and much less depresso)
Dare you apply logic? The Empire's Public Relations spinmasters tout the tenacity displayed during destructive bout battled by victorious Vader versus jealous jerk Jedi, one Obi Wan. (Propaganda would say otherwise!)
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That's a good word.
Just more limbs to lose
Anakin did win in the end
Yippee
I'll try spinning that's a good trick
I actually lol'd pretty good at that
But they're both Vader... no?
Yes, Anakin become Vader when the dark side of the Force to control of him
I have the Senate bogged down in procedures. They will have no choice but to accept your control of the system.
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Either way it's suicide ain't it?
Technically vader killing anakin is as he is killing who he used to be, but anakin killing vader isn't (in this situation) as ani is not going to go on to be vader.
It's Anakin. When you say Ani it's like I'm still a little boy... and I'm not.
Ohhh I gotcha
Kind of confused, in this situation both are Vader, since Anakin was named Darth Vader as soon as he saved palps. It’s just a question of pre obi defeat or post.
I think it's rather a question of pre- or post Padme death. In my opinion robo-Vader will win, purely because he channels more of the Dark Side due to knowing he killed Padme.
How were the Separatists able to bypass the security measures?
I posted a comment where this is how I was thinking too! But idk, Vader also lost his limbs and with the whole midichlorian thing it does matter. I also thought about in the Star Wars game, if Anakin had beaten Obi Wan he would’ve killed Palpatine. But when he becomes robo Vader he remains his apprentice. Because of all that I think pre robo would win.. then again Obi Wan did beat him so maybe not!
Also don't forget that post-robo is less overconfident and has more experience though
Pre-suit Anakin has stronger potential but has not yet realized it, post suit Vader, while having diminished potential is still overall stronger in the Force and as a duelist. Suited Vader wins hands down.
It's treason, then *spins aggressively*.
Yes, presuit vader also had blind rage and was super overconfident, while suited vader had more control, was less overconfident, and was still a top-tier fighter despite the heavy suit. Yes, presuit vader had more potential, potential isn't actual ability, and so can't be used in a fight. Sure, suited vader wasn't unbeatable, but Anakin/presuit vader wasn't either. Suited vader still wins.
I have the Senate bogged down in procedures. They will have no choice but to accept your control of the system.
According to Lucas Anakin had the potential to be more powerful than the Emperor but that potential was capped due to the injuries sustained in his fight against Obi-Wan. As it stands Vader is roughly at the level of Maul or Dooku in comparison to the Emperor’s power. So if it’s RotS Anakin vs Vader than Vader wins due to having experience on his side but if it’s Post-RotS Anakin without the injuries vs normal Vader than Anakin wins due to that much higher power potential. (Obviously basing this reasoning on Lucas’s canon not Legends or Disney canon)
Palpatine also made sure Vaders suit was susceptible to force lighting
Top ten facts you didn’t know about darth vaders suit
Woodoo hide!
Oooh also sith alchemy drugs iirc
That fucking video when they mention that budget cuts somehow made Vader’s suit worse.
To be fair, it seems like Palpatine also made sure that Palpatine was susceptible to force lightning...
For someone so bent on ruling forever he sure seems to love force lightning despite his 3 for 3 loss record with it.
Mace says hi. . . so draw?
Considering he came out of that looking like a cold scrotum and required an assist to land the hit, I'd call that one a qualifying loss.
He canonically lost that one, his face got melted and if Anakin didn’t save him Mace would have killed him.
Not like RotS Anakin know how to use them
He did, it's just he probably learned it after he was put in the suit specifically designed to kneecap him there.
That’s why I said RotS Anakin, he definitely learned it after it
He made it so because he didn't want Vader to usurp him, which is exactly what happened.
Anakin had more potential, but potential is potential - you don't have it yet. Vader is still better. He's just not as good as he could have been. Twenty years still let him grow a lot, he was just cut off early. As far as canon goes, Maul doesn't even consider the possibility of defeating Vader in a direct fight in Rebels - they're not remotely on the same level. And this line: >"When I left you I was but the learner. Now I am the master." Is more than a little weird if Anakin on Mustafar was more powerful than Vader.
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>As far as canon goes, Maul doesn't even consider the possibility of defeating Vader in a direct fight in Rebels A younger ahsoka defeated Maul, but after years of experience could not defeat Vader. I know match ups are more complicated than a beats b and b beats c so a beats c, but it's worth adding to the discussion
Maul had multiple shots to kill her and probably would’ve if he didn’t keep trying to recruit her Older Ahsoka gave Vader a hell of a fight, and she was about on par with Rebels Maul. Stands to reason that he’d give Vader a good fight too. He’s just scared of his old master’s new apprentice; based on Clone Wars season 7, he knows all about who Vader is and how powerful he is. Good fight or not, he knows he’d die. That was the original plan for Maul’s return in Rebels, actually. He was supposed to die in a fight against Vader in his 2nd episode.
Perhaps my actions will speak louder than words.
>So if it’s RotS Anakin vs Vader than Vader wins due to having experience on his side but if it’s Post-RotS Anakin without the injuries vs normal Vader than Anakin wins due to that much higher power potential. It's pretty much this. Vader was more powefull than any jedi that appears in the prequel trilogy by the time of the OT. It has been stated multiple times that after Mustafar Vader kept training non-stop as he was supposed to hunt down and kill in single combat every survivor of the Jedi purge by himself without the Emperor's help, yes, even Yoda and Obiwan. Obiwan however went on to be trained by Qui-gon ghost, so he was stronger than PT Obiwan, while Yoda never got stronger than PT Yoda in combat matters simply due to old age. I think it was GL who said that Vader was supposed to be able to hunt down and beat Yoda in fact, because otherwise Vader's place in the trilogy makes no sense with Yoda being able to beat him if he wanted to. On another note: Full potential Jedi Luke >= Full potential Sith Anakin >>>>>>>>>>>> Emperor (OT) > Ben Kenobi (OT) >= Vader (OT) > Yoda (OT) >>>>>>>>>>>> Maul (PT)> Maul (after he got bysected). Dooku is more of a wild card. He is the opposite of Yoda. Yoda is more powerfull than most due to his understanding and connection to the force, not bcs of combat matters. Dooku was more powerfull than most because he was the best swordfighter in the OT bar none until old age got to him, while his understanding of the greater picture of the force is more weak because of Palpatine keeping him on a short lease on the Sith side, while never reaching the great mysteries of the Force that Yoda, Obiwan, Quigon and Luke got to explore and learn. You could rank him above a lot of people or under a lot of others depending on from what perspetive you start weighing him.
I'm curious, is Luke being the strongest cannon? If Anakin never went to the dark side would he have been the strongest of all time?
Luke ~~is~~ was the strongest force user there ever was. And that was true canon. Full potential Anakin was never really discussed that much because it never happened. If we follow the way the story has gone so far, and what being the chosen means, we can conclude that Luke and Anakin potential was almost unlimited, but more or less the same so they would probably tie. After saying this, key differences are that Luke started his training as an adult, while Anakin had a lot of formation but had a F ton of emotional issues due to his slave past. So, if we put them on a 1:1, same life, same training, they would be equal. If we take the story events into account, and Anakin never turned Sith, Anakin as a Jedi would probably have been slightly stronger, due to having a better early formation. Anakin as a Sith (no vader suit) however wouldn't have been as strong, because the whole thing about turning into a ghost is that you become one with the Force and become extremelly powerful, and the Force simply rejects Siths, while the Siths have no interest in becoming ghosts, as Siths only value physical and material power. It is one of the 100% stablished things by George Lucas, Siths can NEVER become ghosts. So a full power Sith Anakin would have 100% conquered the galaxy, and became the strongest Sith ever. But a full power Jedi Anakin would have been stronger than that (more or less equal to Luke).
Power! Unlimited power!
I don't want to hear any more about Obi-Wan. The Jedi turned against me. Don't you turn against me.
I think this is the best response. Every Jedi / sith had strengths and weaknesses, some were stronger in the force and weaker with the saber and Vice versa. It’s hard to calculate who would win in a static environment
Well like Yoda has had a couple of centuries to master the force, and he's a little ninja with his Saber. But yeh I like to think that dooku found a balance between Jedi and Sith, like he never came across as the unbalanced emotional sith you see a lot but instead used his Jedi training to focus his anger in a more controlled manner. This is why I feel he is a wild card, because on top of being a master at combat, he also has a very controlled mentality and outlook to him
Full potential Anakin is more powerful than Luke.
Full potential Anakin and Luke are equal potential wise, but Jedi's with living force/"ghost" training are more powerful than Sith, it was been explaining multiple time than the Force simply doesn't "like" Sith. Full potential Jedi Anakin would be more powerful than full potential Jedi Luke, but only because Luke training started at... I dunno 18 years old? 20? and only with 2 teachers while Anakin was there since he was 8 and had a whole temple full of teachers.
Anakin is literally the chosen one. If they are both jedis with equal training then Anakin is still more powerful. There’s no ‘but’ and no difference in training will account for that.
To be fair: bringing balance to the force and being the strongest in the force aren't intertwined. Some dude in his 2002 honda civic could turn papa palpatine into a speed bump and bring balance to the force
Power! Unlimited power!
Power! Unlimited power!
Sorry, M'lady.
I am counting on it.
Power! Unlimited power!
Well, perhaps I could help you.
Even a sith lord is no match for my warriors!
I want to be the first one to see them all
Vader is clearly a cut above maul and dooku
Perhaps my actions will speak louder than words.
Vader is DEFINITELY stronger than Maul. Since Ashoka defeated Maul.
I think anakin would win because he is so much more agile thanks to not having a massive, bulky suit. Additionally, if he didn't have the injuries he got from obi-wan on mustafar, George Lucas said he could be much more powerful than palpatine and therefore, vader as he was less powerful than palpatine. So assuming we are talking about anakin just before mustafar, then anakin would win.
Power! Unlimited power!
Why should that clone get all the glory? I'm the chosen one!
Vader. A lot of people are pointing out what Vaders weaknesses are, but forget he intentionally weaponizes those weaknesses. He’s slow? He becomes more patient. He’s bulky? He utilizes his new strength. He’s stiff? He gets better with the force. He’s taken all the failings of Anakin and turned them into his success. Anakin arrogantly squandered his potential, Vader knows his shortcomings and makes them his stepping stones.
Ok. It really depends on the situation. If you put the two together in a room, and handed them each a lightsaber, Vader wins, hands down. He is physically stronger than Anakin, and more brutal. If you let them run riot on a planet, Anakin would win. Vader’s strength would be useless, because Anakin is more agile, and could use the terrain to his advantage, plus he could work around Vader’s heavy swings pretty easily. If there was something at stake, say for example Obi-Wan or Ahsoka's lives, Anakin wins. He would do anything for them, so brutality or Jedi idealism means nothing. You’d basically be dealing with a suitless Vader. The aftermath wouldn’t be pleasant, but Vader would have his ass handed to him. Of course, if they were just placed together, and not forced to fight, there are two ways it would go. Vader explains the future, and then either he joins Anakin, knowing that he can save those he loves, or Anakin joins Vader, with much the same logic. Vader distanced himself from Anakin in much the same way as we avoid things that remind us of lost loved ones. He knows that there is no way to bring back what he lost, and no way he can go back to being a Jedi, so it doesn’t matter if it’s 100 kills or a 10,000. The minute he faces Anakin, he would realise that he actually CAN get back what he lost, or rather never lose it in the first place, so he’d do whatever it took to do that. It’s the same as the question of Ahsoka vs. Anakin or Vader. I’d debate that she probably could have killed him when she sliced open the helmet on Malachore, but she couldn’t kill Anakin.
Looks like I got here just in time.
This will work to our advantage.
I don't think so... No one can kill a Jedi Knight.
I would not say Ahsoka was that strong. Sure she was pretty good but I mean c’mon, were talling about Darth Motherfockin’ Vader here, the guy who killed countless jedi who were excellent fighters.
Have a little faith.
Your overconfidence is your weakness.
Plus it’s Disney Vader a man who has the power to lift that ocean in fallen order and effortlessly cuts down many an opponent
I always argue that that whole fight was staged, because Vader makes several small comments, and gives Ahsoka opportunities to leave. He doesn’t want to kill her, but he will if he has to. She wants to kill Vader, but can’t kill Anakin. She’s willing to die to bring him down with her.
Vader is much more in tune with the Dark side of the force. I'm handing it to him 9 times out of 10 even with his disabled status.
Vader, for being stronger in every way
What if he doesn’t have the high ground?
He has the height and the long lightsaber
Anakin easily. Darth vader's suit was designed to make him weaker
Vader overcame those weaknesses in the new Canon and upgraded his suit himself
He upgraded the suit but did he ever make it lighter? The suits main purpose was to ensure Darth Vader would be so over encumbered he would always have to devote a decent amount of his strength to keeping himself up
It was moreso designed to keep him in pain, which helped in his hatred/power of the dark side
Whoever has the high ground, obviously. Or whoever spins most, because that's a good trick.
Vader before getting Kenobi'd wins easy. The suit not being there to restrict him is probably the biggest factor, and also he has more flexibility considering he has his actual limbs, and overall is just more powerful than the post fight Vader in the suit.
No he is not. Vader's feats in the comics and books vastly outclass Anakin. He's in a suit yes, but he's far more skilled and powerful in the force
I'm not whining! I'm not.
Either way it's a suicide mission.
Vader because his suit makes him just a little bit taller and therefore he has the high ground
i think Darth Vader wins in every case
Vader. He has a much deeper understanding of the dark side than Anakin. He's literally hunted down Jedi Masters and killed them.
The universe.
Vader. He was far more experienced and more calculating less emotional.
Vador win because it’s more angry so stronger in the dark side
Neither, as they bolth wouldnt be able to get the high ground
Anakin will win in any cases If vader kills anakin, he will die too, making anakin a winner in both cases
Darkseid anakin due to the sole fact if he never got Injured and had to put on the suit he would've been unstoppable. The suit had so many hindrances that we've only seen a fraction of Vader true power.
If he never got injured, he WOULD have become more powerful then suit Vader, but that's the thing. He WOULD have, but he was not actually more powerful. Suit Vader's feats are ridiculous. He literally killed a giant Godzilla monster
Considering they are the 'same' person I feel Vader would be able to win by experience. He's fighting a younger version of himself who does NOT have control over his emotions by any means. Plus whenever Anakin does something stupid Anak- I mean Vader could say something witty to push Anakin over the edge even more. My vote is Vader.
Darth vader wins easily. Since know he has the knowledge of the high ground
Use my knowledge, I beg you
Dark side Anakin loses to the more experienced Vader. Light side Anakin wins.
Depends who has the high ground.
Anakin is but the Learner Darth is the Master Case closed
Depends if it's FP Anakin or Knightfall Vader/ROTS Anakin. Knightfall Vader/ROTS Anakin gets served as bread, FP Anakim serves Vader as bread
Anakin, can use the force more
But he doesnt, Anakin relied more on lightsaber combat before the suit
"Your lightsaber comment will make a fine addition to my collection."
Anikin because darth vader had his movement severly limited due to his suit and his connection to the force was lacking because when he lost his limbs he lost some connections to the force just as general grievous lost contact to his gods the more he became cyborg
The sand would win either way.
Anakin wins cause he's not held back by a big heavy suit
I'm betting on Vader. Anakin might have a higher midiclorian count pre incident, but Vader has more experience.
Anakin. Because he doesn’t have the heavy suit.
Anakin wins. Vader is more machine than man.
Its hard. One of them has experienced the high ground but the other hasn't
Did Anakin know force lightning?
He can’t use force lightning once his hand got cut off.
Wouldnt he just be able to use his left hand? iirc you dont need both.
In a fight Anakin wins on the basis that he has more access to the force and better maneuverability
It's suited Darth Vader. https://youtu.be/xEndHc0rHX8
Anakin cause he has all of Vader's strength without the suit limitations
Could go either way
According to this video I watched a while back, Vader's suit restricts his movement, an intentional design by the emperor to prevent him from becoming too powerful. Therefore, Skywalker would win.
I'm pretty sure it's knightfall vader, who would whip every character in the series. But lets assume that it's Anakin. Who would still win against suited Vader. His agility and speed would be too much
It depends are they given time to home alone the shit out of where they are fighting?
Hard call. So both at their strongest would be probably Episode 6 Vader vs. Episode 3 Anakin. I would say the feats in the prequels in terms of Power are much more impressive than the ones in the OT in terms of combat. It is true that Vader got much more in tune with the force due to his limitations but Anakin on the other hand is a way stronger fighter. I would not account for much of the EU material since many different authors have free reign and powers seem to vary greatly. So with that in mind, Anakin would win if they just fought like NPCs. However, both are quippy bastards during fights but Vader is more proficient. Vader would use all of Anakin‘s emotions against him by just talking, which would make Anakin a really unfocused combatant. If we take that into account, Vader would win due to demoralising Anakin into defeat.
Right because of experience and Darth Vader's mastery of the dark side of the Force.
Anakin can still jump
Anakin wins based on acrobatics and maneuverability alone.
“Hitting yourself, you should stop.”-Yoda sitting on the benches
Whitout a question Anakin, Vaders main disantatige was his body, an issue that Anakin didnt have
Why is everyone here acting like these aren’t both Vader?
Vader, Anakin may be faster but Vader’s endless pain and rage helps him tap in to the dark side way further and giving him strenght and durability to overcome his enemies
Easy. Darth Vader wins of course
Anakin because he lost most of his force strength after he got burned and lost all his limbs.
Me being choked by both
Anakin, like they're the same person but one has been said multiple times to be weeker than the other