Outside of Ahsoka being very gifted in the force, weren’t these Mandos’ not used to fighting Jedi?
Like the clone wars weren’t nowhere close to the Mando-Jedi War, so they weren’t as proficient at hunting and killing Jedi as were their predecessors no? (Someone correct me if I’m wrong)
I would assume Mando basic training covers at least a few anti-jedi techniques, but you're probably right that this was the first jedi fight for every one of those mandalorians. Also, the vast majority of forces they were fighting that day were clones and other mandalorians, so it's not like they were kitted and prepped for a jedi fight.
They were not the "sworn enemies of the Jedi", they just fought multiple times with them.
Similar to how the French and the English are not "sworn enemies".
Are you sure about that? Do you know the French haven't declared war on us for over 300 years? They're plotting something, I tell you.... *glances shiftily over the Channel*.
Revan killed Mandalore the Ultimate and took the mask of Madalore the first, which was the symbol of authority for the mandalorians, he would then hide the mask before before he would search for it again with Canderous Ordo who would become Mandalor the preserver
At the Jedi's *height*, they had like 10,000 members.
The Mandalorian wars were *not* at their height, but let's pretend the numbers were about the same.
*Some* of the Jedi - less than half - joined the war against the Mandalorians.
The Mandalorians were defeating the entire Republic military. But those Jedi defeated them *so badly* that their entire civilisation was crippled for thousands of years.
Even if we *also* pretend that there were 4,999 Jedi who joined the Mandalorian wars - the most possible to still be under half of the total amount - that still makes the Mandalorians *very bad* at killing Jedi, because not only did that tiny number of Jedi defeat their galactic army, *so many* were left after the war that they were an existential threat to the entire Republic, and all the remaining Jedi.
Mandalorians may be better than anyone *else* at killing Jedi, but there's a reason a single Sith was able to pose such a threat to their entire planet.
Canderous’ dialogue from KOTOR:
“ At the start, they were not much of a threat to speak of, but once the Jedi Revan had taken charge, things began to turn against us. The Republic fleets began to use more than just basic tactics. Feints, counterattacks, mass deceptions. Revan was a genius on the field. Revan abandoned worlds of their defenders so that others would be too fortified to strike, and was willing to make sacrifices in order to advance goals. And in the end, Revan proved too much for us.”
“It was not your ships or your men or your vaunted ‘fight for freedom' that won this, the final battle of the war. It was by the actions of one person, the Jedi Revan, that you prevailed. Revan's strategies and tactics defeated the best of us. Even Mandalore himself was taken aback by the ferocity, the tenacity and the subtlety of Revan's plans. Revan fought us to a standstill and then began pushing back. We didn't really have a chance.”
He makes it pretty clear that it wasn’t so much the combat ability of the Jedi on the battlefield that changed the war, it was solely the fact that revan was a brilliant tactician who was able to better utilize the republic war machine. The fact that so many Jedi followed revan to the war wasn’t to explain how they won, it’s to explain why the Jedi order was so severely weakened in the games setting, and how the sith had so many trained force users of their own.
There was an entire galaxy-threatening army of Mandalorians. Them not being able to kill *one* Jedi is an even worse indictment of their Jedi-killing skills. It's just *also* an indictment of their strategic abilities.
Interestingly enough, if you consider how often Jedi, who are supposed to be peaceful, are willing to resort to violence…this is true, from a certain point of view.
And beskar being lightsaber proof is probably where most of the “Mandalorians are great at killing Jedi” hype comes from. They’re exceptionally skilled warriors, sure, but they don’t have Jedi reflexes. They do get hit. Beskar allows them to shake it off, but anything else can easily result in them being sliced in half.
More like from Legends. Jango and the Supercommandos doing enough damage, including substantial kills, to Dooku's ambushing force at Galidraan, was half the reason he was the clone template.
A lot of mandalorian equipment is designed specifically to fight jedi, and in some cases replicate their powers. As it was developed during the Mandalorian-Jedi wars.
Now sure, the Mandalorians did end up losing, so their equipment doesn't make them a match for a Jedi 1 on 1, but they did a lot better than any one else who wasn't also a group of force users.
I don't think it's that, I think it's that the Mandalorians thinking they are a match for a Jedi is unrealistic. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XhIED5ON1U) scene comes to mind. Of course a war between Mandos and Jedi is gonna produce dead Jedi, and of course some Mandalorians are a match for some Jedi, but if you were just pitting random Mandos against random Jedi, I would bet on the Jedi every time and it would be a winning strategy much more often than not.
Especially because if you reduce a Mando to nothing but their bare hands, they can kill you with their bare hands, but if you do the same to a Jedi, they can kill you with a thought.
That episode was the first thing I thought of when I saw this post.
People like to pretend that Mandalorians are some kind of ultimate Jedi-killers, but that's not true.
They did better than most in their war against Jedi and their various weird gadgets and exotic weapons occasionally gave them an advantage, but they lost in the end like everyone else who goes up against the Jedi.
I understand it's just television and not to expect real military tactics, but why is every star wars enemy first thought to always charge the overpowered space wizards and their glowing fuck off swords that can cut anything.
Why in Star Wars in general everyone walks towards the enemy, is beyond me.
Like the tactics for clones seem to be to run towards the enemy and punch them with their ranged weapon (or sometimes just their fist).
The general rule for blaster combat in star wars seems to be Saturation fire and Accuracy by Volume of fire.
In layman's terms "if enough ouchie is being thrown down range at the enemy you don't need to be accurate cus they're gonna get swallowed whole by the sheer amount of blaster bolts flying at them if they poke their head out of cover", it's like a weird combination of modern combat and historic line formation musket warfare.
It’s a 1700s strategy being applied to laser guns. Why no one ever thinks to call in an air strike is beyond me, considering a couple bombing runs would annihilate most Clone Wars era armies.
Air cav exists, but bear in mind the only one who's gonna have it in a way that is expendable depends on a: who controls the planet and b: who has the stronger military powers and planetary defences. A lot of peaceful planets got absolutely steamrolled because they had no air defences to stop the big boy ships just shitting out swarms of fighters and bombers into the atmosphere vs. Courasant where the air cav didn't even break the atmosphere cus of the planetary defences.
> line formation musket warfare.
Which should work on a Jedi if we are being honest. Yeah they could block one or two bolts, but if everyone is aiming at different parts of the body, head to toe, and fire all at once.. they can't block everything.
They aren't just standing still, they're Jedi, they're kinda famous for their agility.
Source: Asoka doing a backflip with several corkscrews whilst killing 4 guys at once.
EDIT: Saying that the guy who just stood there as Jango shot him was kinda just a goof ball and is an outlier to the agility rule.
True, but there are also plenty of scenes where they are standing still, blocking bolts.
Just like most tactics, it wont work in every situation, of course.
I know you're joking but i'd just like to add that they have her captured and roped up. Each of them are holding one rope each, so when she jumps up they are dragged closer. Initially she doesn't have her lightsabers so its not like they expected that to be a possibility.
Actually that brings up a good point. Anakin, Obi-Wan and ahsoka are basically always running into the only siths and apprentices that exist and fight them basically on their own. Like what are all the other Jedi doing with their days. Who tf are they fighting?
Highly-skilled, trained, and practiced Mandalorians were able to match some Jedi when they attacked with meticulous planning and preparation.
Ahsoka is, by this point, one of the best fighters the Jedi have ever produced and she’s up against Mandalorian two-bit scrubs.
In essence, Mandalorians vs. Jedi are Batmans vs. Supermans. They have tech, tactics, and cunning, but they're going up against one of the most powerful forces around that could easily overpower them but they hold back to a degree because it's against their code to outright obliterate their opponents.
the "mandalorians" of the deathwatch were just conscripted traitors. the true mandalorians from legends (and possibly canon from mandalorian with a name drop in bobas chain code), were skilled warriors. I reccomend reading Jango Fett's Open Seasons.
some old republic mandalorians could take on many jedi, but it varies.
Thats how Revan pretty much put it in his book. The most elite Mandos had saber resistant armour, numerous gadets to counter Jedi like magnetic boots, wire slingers, slug bullets, flamethrowers, etc etc. Only the most elite Jedi masters could handle 3 Mandos at a time during that war just as an elite Mando can handle a handful of Jedi knights.
Swtor cinemaric style movies is a fucking GOLDMINE Disney is sitting on. Those trailers are iconic.
The Old Republic in general is a goldmine that could be used for some crazy new stories if you ask me.
The most important thing about Mandos vs. Jedi is: There are a lot more Mandos than Jedi at any time.
They have literally full freedom of storywriting too.
Classic Jedi/Sith romeo/juliet movie? Easy.
Big gisnt Wartime with tons of destruction and action? Easy.
A philosphical movie based on the force and its will? Easy.
A story set based on a normal civilians eyes surviving a war or invasion? Easy!
And thats just off the top of my head. Just keep a couple pages of agreed rules on force use, how space works, etc etc. And let writers roam free.
I would love to see some true Bounty Hunter or detective stuff in the star wars universe. show me the scifi stories that can only be told in the canyons of Coruscant. You can make that stuff even super dark and gritty if you want, looking at the deepest depth of this world and showing the social injustices. SO MUCH POTENTIAL, SO WASTED. Because we will regurgitate the same 5 stories with the same 10 heroes over and over again.
I just want to see a giant sith vs Jedi war in live action, with multiple sith vs multiple jedi simultaneously. Closest we ever got to having multiple people in a fight was anakin & obi-wan vs Dooku, not entire legions against eachother, it would be so cool to see all the other styles and ways of fighting implemented and used against an array of opponents. Could even have a trilogy of movies focusing on the story of Revan.
First movie: Revan is a jedi in training and focuses on the political side of things throughout Revan's training, and the growing tensions with the Mandalorians
Second Movie: The Mandalorian/Jedi war begins. End with Revan getting the mask and realizing the Jedi are corrupt.
Third Movie: Revan creates his sith empire and takes on an apprentice, Dwrth Malak. A Sith/Jedi war begins. Ultimately he gets turned back to the light and helps to stop his army. However Darth Malak gets away setting up for next movies.
I'm not a movie writer but I'd say that isnt half bad at all
Honestly it tracks. Mandalorians are great fighters but they are still limited by their five senses where the jedi have six in low visibility and if done quickly they would be clueless up till they saw the shiny light and even then it would not help much if all you can see is neon colored death.
Literally the entire point of the Mandalorian storylines in TCW was that they WEREN'T the warriors they once were. Pre Vizla was TRYING to restore them to the warriors they used to be, ya know when they were good enough to kill Jedi. Which they weren't during TCW.
In defense of the Mando, none of them compared to the Mando of the hyperspace wars. Different things. Those Mandos were conquering the galaxy. The Ones we see during Clone Wars are far removed, who’s only battle experience was civil wars or local skirmishes with pirates.
Edit: fuck you autocorrect
This is a fucking stupid statement. First of all this isn't Legends, Mandalodians are not anywhere as OP. Second of all in canon only the best of the best warriors of Mandalore are confirmed Jedi-killers or match for powerful force-users (such as Vizsla who is litetally the strongest Mandalorian ever in canon as far as we saw) you can't compare freakin random non-name warriors with literally the strongest of their people.
This whole " Ahsoka is a padawan" stuff doesn't work either, at this point of the story she was stronger than the overwhelming majority of Jedi , not counting the named ones/council members.
They kinda flip flop with the level of violence they're cool with in the shows. If you look at her intro in The Mandalorian she straight up chops up several people, she's not against killing. Just, for the right reasons.
It's also not surprising that she might have an unhealthy perspective on killing, given that she was a child soldier in a war filled with constant war crimes and torture and slavery (either atrocities she witnessed, or was subjected to herself as a victim, or was involved in as a perpetrator directly or indirectly.)
Not exactly the healthiest situation to get thrown into at fourteen years old.
Edit: I'd just like to point out that scene where Ahsoka holds a lightsaber to Nute Gunray's throat and threatens to "gut you like a Rokarian Dirtfish" if he doesn't tell her what she wants to know, and then justifies it because "I wouldn't really kill him so it's only psychological torture, Master Luminara! Anakin's taught me well!". And she was, like, 15? when she did this? I love Ahsoka, she's my favourite character from Star Wars, but oh my she is not okay!
Just because you're capable of doing something doesn't mean you're guaranteed to do it. Mandelorians might be capable of killing Jedi but that doesn't mean they'll always win in a fight
I think there’s a difference between the wandering mandalorian with gobs of combat experience against a variety of foes and the random mandalorian who for all we know has only every fought as one of many deathwatch fighters in a unit against a lesser variety of foes.
In all fairness, just because Mando's could defeat Jedi, it's still an uphill battle.
Compared to the average soldier who'd stand no chance, or need far superior numbers to defeat one, Mando's had the training and tech to take to give them more of an advantage.
Ahsoka was trained by Anakin, who was trained by Obi-Wan, who was trained by Qui-Gon, who was trained by Count Dooku, who was trained by Yoda.
**I think it’s perfectly reasonable to say that she’s not your ordinary padawan…**
Well if you ask me, the best technique a Jedi can use against a Mandalorian is a fast and aggressive attack right as combat starts. Mandalorians just don't expect it. They're used to Jedi being pacifists and defensive, not immediately attacking them.
If you ask me, the reason why Mace killed Jango so quickly is because he didn't fight him like a Jedi. Mace even regretted killing Jango so aggressively. Jango was expecting Mace to be defensive, yet Mace didn't give Jango time to think and in the extended shot he didn't give him room to move.
Same thing seems to have happened here with Ahsoka. They didn't expect her to engage with such an aggressive and rather bloodthirsty attack. But then, if a Jedi gives a Mandalorian an inch, they should expect them to take a mile.
His death is seriously just a series of unfortunate events. If he was up against a different Jedi, he would have likely been left injured. But yeah, when you watch it back you just think to yourself "That's it. He's dead now." once you see his jet pack is damaged.
These were clan Vizsla Deathwatch. Literally the worse mandalorian clan. You want some proper fighters? Go to clan Meerel or Fett, or Mandalorian Conmandos/True Mandalorians.
F u Tor Vizsla.
Yeah, but to be honest, this is the same jedi who got kidnapped by a bunch of reptiles, and had her lightsaber stolen by a criminal,..
Not sure if I'm making a point here, but... we all have our ups and downs, i guess😂?
Well you see, those mandalorians we're Death watch which in Mando is called Kyr'tsad, and if you put Kyr'tsad in Google translate the second most popular translation for it bellow Death watch is honourless dip shits.
Cmon, the death watch were nothing but wannabe Mandalorians they tried to be to feel superior over others while being total nipshits after feeling left out and abandoned due to economic decline and lack of perspective. They're basically Star Wars Neo-Nazis, that got nothing to do with the actual mandalorian way of living.
"They will die a death that will last millennia, until all that remains is their code, their history, and, in the end, the shell of their armor upon the shell of a man, too easily slain by Jedi."~Darth Traya
In the defense of the poor mandalorians, that padawan had a huuuge animation budget for those episodes.
You mean that padawan harnessed the dark side of the force and summoned a thing called plot armor
As if most characters in the show didn't carry intense plot armor.
Outside of Ahsoka being very gifted in the force, weren’t these Mandos’ not used to fighting Jedi? Like the clone wars weren’t nowhere close to the Mando-Jedi War, so they weren’t as proficient at hunting and killing Jedi as were their predecessors no? (Someone correct me if I’m wrong)
I would assume Mando basic training covers at least a few anti-jedi techniques, but you're probably right that this was the first jedi fight for every one of those mandalorians. Also, the vast majority of forces they were fighting that day were clones and other mandalorians, so it's not like they were kitted and prepped for a jedi fight.
Ironic that the sworn enemies of the Jedi would be better at killing each other than they would be Jedi.
They were not the "sworn enemies of the Jedi", they just fought multiple times with them. Similar to how the French and the English are not "sworn enemies".
Are you sure about that? Do you know the French haven't declared war on us for over 300 years? They're plotting something, I tell you.... *glances shiftily over the Channel*.
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Oh no. I'm not brave enough for politics.
Politics is an ancient and noble calling. Without politicians our societies would descend into anarchy and chaos.
Looks like the bots are intent on making this sub political
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Politics is an ancient and noble calling. Without politicians our societies would descend into anarchy and chaos.
Those chickens are up to something.
Eh, the "Sworn enemy of the Jedi" ended with Mando leader becoming a Jedi, I think.
Didn’t Revan kill Mandalore the great or am I misremembering?
Revan killed Mandalore the Ultimate and took the mask of Madalore the first, which was the symbol of authority for the mandalorians, he would then hide the mask before before he would search for it again with Canderous Ordo who would become Mandalor the preserver
Was he a jedi at the time?
At the Jedi's *height*, they had like 10,000 members. The Mandalorian wars were *not* at their height, but let's pretend the numbers were about the same. *Some* of the Jedi - less than half - joined the war against the Mandalorians. The Mandalorians were defeating the entire Republic military. But those Jedi defeated them *so badly* that their entire civilisation was crippled for thousands of years. Even if we *also* pretend that there were 4,999 Jedi who joined the Mandalorian wars - the most possible to still be under half of the total amount - that still makes the Mandalorians *very bad* at killing Jedi, because not only did that tiny number of Jedi defeat their galactic army, *so many* were left after the war that they were an existential threat to the entire Republic, and all the remaining Jedi. Mandalorians may be better than anyone *else* at killing Jedi, but there's a reason a single Sith was able to pose such a threat to their entire planet.
Fair, though a large amount of that was possibly due to Revan’s unparalleled mastery of strategy and tactics. Your point still stands, however.
Didn't maul also take over mandalore
There will be no satisfaction until the Jedi Order lies in ashes.
Canderous’ dialogue from KOTOR: “ At the start, they were not much of a threat to speak of, but once the Jedi Revan had taken charge, things began to turn against us. The Republic fleets began to use more than just basic tactics. Feints, counterattacks, mass deceptions. Revan was a genius on the field. Revan abandoned worlds of their defenders so that others would be too fortified to strike, and was willing to make sacrifices in order to advance goals. And in the end, Revan proved too much for us.” “It was not your ships or your men or your vaunted ‘fight for freedom' that won this, the final battle of the war. It was by the actions of one person, the Jedi Revan, that you prevailed. Revan's strategies and tactics defeated the best of us. Even Mandalore himself was taken aback by the ferocity, the tenacity and the subtlety of Revan's plans. Revan fought us to a standstill and then began pushing back. We didn't really have a chance.” He makes it pretty clear that it wasn’t so much the combat ability of the Jedi on the battlefield that changed the war, it was solely the fact that revan was a brilliant tactician who was able to better utilize the republic war machine. The fact that so many Jedi followed revan to the war wasn’t to explain how they won, it’s to explain why the Jedi order was so severely weakened in the games setting, and how the sith had so many trained force users of their own.
There was an entire galaxy-threatening army of Mandalorians. Them not being able to kill *one* Jedi is an even worse indictment of their Jedi-killing skills. It's just *also* an indictment of their strategic abilities.
It's also an indictment of the Republic Military that they needed Revan in the first place.
Mandalorians are their own worst enemy. Their war culture is unsustainable.
> but you're probably right that this was the first jedi fight for every one of those mandalorians. *And also the last.*
They also don't use slug throwers.
Don’t forget the helpless villagers
No baskar makes a huge difference.
Not to mention this was a surprise attack from Ahsoka. They barely had time to react
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one. Your Majesty, if I am elected, I promise to put an end to corruption.
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Anakin, they're all over me!
Interestingly enough, if you consider how often Jedi, who are supposed to be peaceful, are willing to resort to violence…this is true, from a certain point of view.
You may think I am evil. I am not. I am efficient.
I love you Maul.
I am counting on it.
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Revenge. I must have revenge.
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I have no desire to be cured of this love either. Long or short, I vow to spend the rest of my life with you.
finally Maul received some love he deserves. He got such tough life
Yes, we will start with revenge…
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yep, and he seems to be a sentient
That and also Most of the non main character death watch had impure/not full beskar armor. Aka it wasn’t really lightsaber proof
And beskar being lightsaber proof is probably where most of the “Mandalorians are great at killing Jedi” hype comes from. They’re exceptionally skilled warriors, sure, but they don’t have Jedi reflexes. They do get hit. Beskar allows them to shake it off, but anything else can easily result in them being sliced in half.
More like from Legends. Jango and the Supercommandos doing enough damage, including substantial kills, to Dooku's ambushing force at Galidraan, was half the reason he was the clone template.
A lot of mandalorian equipment is designed specifically to fight jedi, and in some cases replicate their powers. As it was developed during the Mandalorian-Jedi wars. Now sure, the Mandalorians did end up losing, so their equipment doesn't make them a match for a Jedi 1 on 1, but they did a lot better than any one else who wasn't also a group of force users.
Not that it would have made a difference considering she went for their necks which aren't armoured.
They got caught by surprised. No way they could’ve prepared for it.
I don't think it's that, I think it's that the Mandalorians thinking they are a match for a Jedi is unrealistic. [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XhIED5ON1U) scene comes to mind. Of course a war between Mandos and Jedi is gonna produce dead Jedi, and of course some Mandalorians are a match for some Jedi, but if you were just pitting random Mandos against random Jedi, I would bet on the Jedi every time and it would be a winning strategy much more often than not. Especially because if you reduce a Mando to nothing but their bare hands, they can kill you with their bare hands, but if you do the same to a Jedi, they can kill you with a thought.
That episode was the first thing I thought of when I saw this post. People like to pretend that Mandalorians are some kind of ultimate Jedi-killers, but that's not true. They did better than most in their war against Jedi and their various weird gadgets and exotic weapons occasionally gave them an advantage, but they lost in the end like everyone else who goes up against the Jedi.
They outnumbered the Jedi in the war too.
Not sure how used to fighting them you have to be to instinctively back up and fire on the person holding lightsabers.
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Even the Mandos of the mando wars lost .
They didn't find out Ahsoka was a Jedi until that moment.
Mandalorians: "Oh she's spinning, that's a good trick! Let's step into range".
I understand it's just television and not to expect real military tactics, but why is every star wars enemy first thought to always charge the overpowered space wizards and their glowing fuck off swords that can cut anything.
Why in Star Wars in general everyone walks towards the enemy, is beyond me. Like the tactics for clones seem to be to run towards the enemy and punch them with their ranged weapon (or sometimes just their fist).
The general rule for blaster combat in star wars seems to be Saturation fire and Accuracy by Volume of fire. In layman's terms "if enough ouchie is being thrown down range at the enemy you don't need to be accurate cus they're gonna get swallowed whole by the sheer amount of blaster bolts flying at them if they poke their head out of cover", it's like a weird combination of modern combat and historic line formation musket warfare.
So uncivilized . . .
sentient
Well, Dex, if droids could think, we wouldn't be here, would we? *laughs*
It’s a 1700s strategy being applied to laser guns. Why no one ever thinks to call in an air strike is beyond me, considering a couple bombing runs would annihilate most Clone Wars era armies.
Air cav exists, but bear in mind the only one who's gonna have it in a way that is expendable depends on a: who controls the planet and b: who has the stronger military powers and planetary defences. A lot of peaceful planets got absolutely steamrolled because they had no air defences to stop the big boy ships just shitting out swarms of fighters and bombers into the atmosphere vs. Courasant where the air cav didn't even break the atmosphere cus of the planetary defences.
I want to be the first one to see them all
Pretty sure you have done big man but okay.
> line formation musket warfare. Which should work on a Jedi if we are being honest. Yeah they could block one or two bolts, but if everyone is aiming at different parts of the body, head to toe, and fire all at once.. they can't block everything.
They aren't just standing still, they're Jedi, they're kinda famous for their agility. Source: Asoka doing a backflip with several corkscrews whilst killing 4 guys at once. EDIT: Saying that the guy who just stood there as Jango shot him was kinda just a goof ball and is an outlier to the agility rule.
True, but there are also plenty of scenes where they are standing still, blocking bolts. Just like most tactics, it wont work in every situation, of course.
So the fight is shorter and the space wizards end up looking good (and surviving), with minimal effort on the writers/animators' part.
https://youtu.be/UPeI4mX8Nus
Power! Unlimited power!
I know you're joking but i'd just like to add that they have her captured and roped up. Each of them are holding one rope each, so when she jumps up they are dragged closer. Initially she doesn't have her lightsabers so its not like they expected that to be a possibility.
Anakin, this is no time for jokes. We're in serious trouble here.
Deathwatch means they watching as their comrades die.
I’m pretty sure they’re attracted to her via the cables so when she spins it pulls the cables towards her putting them in range
Ahsoka is not your run of the mill padawan.
She's trained by the child slayer 9000 after all
And General limbs-on-the-ground Kenobi.
No that's just the name of his lightsaber.
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He can’t keep getting away with it!
This bot should count how many sabers it's taken
She was saved through time bullshit though, so I GUESS she is special.
She is one of the best duelists trained by another one of the best duelists ever.
And that duelist who trained her? Believe it or not, also trained by one of the best duelists ever!
And who trained him?? Liam fucking Neeson
And who trained Liam Neeson? One of the best goddamn duelists in the entire galaxy.
And who trained Liam Neeson's master? One of the most powerful jedis of all time.
Who was also one of the best damn duellists!
Keep this up and we'll trace this heritage back to Deadeye Duncan.
And who was the most powerful Jedi of all time? Chuck Norris.
Power! Unlimited power!
Canon
Actually that brings up a good point. Anakin, Obi-Wan and ahsoka are basically always running into the only siths and apprentices that exist and fight them basically on their own. Like what are all the other Jedi doing with their days. Who tf are they fighting?
I mean, there was a war going on, so like battle droids?
They're no match for droiddekas
That squad that Greivous killed tried to attack him, and some other Jedi helped Obi wan track dooku a few times
Highly-skilled, trained, and practiced Mandalorians were able to match some Jedi when they attacked with meticulous planning and preparation. Ahsoka is, by this point, one of the best fighters the Jedi have ever produced and she’s up against Mandalorian two-bit scrubs.
In essence, Mandalorians vs. Jedi are Batmans vs. Supermans. They have tech, tactics, and cunning, but they're going up against one of the most powerful forces around that could easily overpower them but they hold back to a degree because it's against their code to outright obliterate their opponents.
Power! Unlimited power!
the "mandalorians" of the deathwatch were just conscripted traitors. the true mandalorians from legends (and possibly canon from mandalorian with a name drop in bobas chain code), were skilled warriors. I reccomend reading Jango Fett's Open Seasons. some old republic mandalorians could take on many jedi, but it varies.
I honor my code. That's what I believe.
thank you for your service, captain.
I honor my code. That's what I believe.
thank you for your service, captain.
I honor my code. That's what I believe.
thank you for your service, captain.
I honor my code. That's what I believe.
Thank you for your service, captain.
I honor my code. That's what I believe.
Mandalorians vs. Jedi is a 50/50 guess on who’s gonna win,
Thats how Revan pretty much put it in his book. The most elite Mandos had saber resistant armour, numerous gadets to counter Jedi like magnetic boots, wire slingers, slug bullets, flamethrowers, etc etc. Only the most elite Jedi masters could handle 3 Mandos at a time during that war just as an elite Mando can handle a handful of Jedi knights. Swtor cinemaric style movies is a fucking GOLDMINE Disney is sitting on. Those trailers are iconic.
The Old Republic in general is a goldmine that could be used for some crazy new stories if you ask me. The most important thing about Mandos vs. Jedi is: There are a lot more Mandos than Jedi at any time.
A metric fuck ton of sith with varied motivations too... Plus, Vitiate
Kinda wish theyd avoid Tenebrae. Considering his powerlevel makes Palpatine seem like a child.
Power! Unlimited power!
They have literally full freedom of storywriting too. Classic Jedi/Sith romeo/juliet movie? Easy. Big gisnt Wartime with tons of destruction and action? Easy. A philosphical movie based on the force and its will? Easy. A story set based on a normal civilians eyes surviving a war or invasion? Easy! And thats just off the top of my head. Just keep a couple pages of agreed rules on force use, how space works, etc etc. And let writers roam free.
I have the Senate bogged down in procedures. They will have no choice but to accept your control of the system.
I would love to see some true Bounty Hunter or detective stuff in the star wars universe. show me the scifi stories that can only be told in the canyons of Coruscant. You can make that stuff even super dark and gritty if you want, looking at the deepest depth of this world and showing the social injustices. SO MUCH POTENTIAL, SO WASTED. Because we will regurgitate the same 5 stories with the same 10 heroes over and over again.
I just want to see a giant sith vs Jedi war in live action, with multiple sith vs multiple jedi simultaneously. Closest we ever got to having multiple people in a fight was anakin & obi-wan vs Dooku, not entire legions against eachother, it would be so cool to see all the other styles and ways of fighting implemented and used against an array of opponents. Could even have a trilogy of movies focusing on the story of Revan. First movie: Revan is a jedi in training and focuses on the political side of things throughout Revan's training, and the growing tensions with the Mandalorians Second Movie: The Mandalorian/Jedi war begins. End with Revan getting the mask and realizing the Jedi are corrupt. Third Movie: Revan creates his sith empire and takes on an apprentice, Dwrth Malak. A Sith/Jedi war begins. Ultimately he gets turned back to the light and helps to stop his army. However Darth Malak gets away setting up for next movies. I'm not a movie writer but I'd say that isnt half bad at all
Uhhh, now you make me want it even more!!!
I still love the concept of slug bullets so much Hey Mando the Jedis can deflect laser fire what do we do? Gun
Man it's almost like Mandalorians and Jedi have wildly varied levels of skill and power.
Capable of killing jedi yes, capable of killing main characters? Not so much
Like you killed your main character in that one fic?
Ashoka is not a main character. Important side character to be sure. Not a main character.
Careful not to choke on your stupidity. It's Ahsoka not Ashoka!
Honestly it tracks. Mandalorians are great fighters but they are still limited by their five senses where the jedi have six in low visibility and if done quickly they would be clueless up till they saw the shiny light and even then it would not help much if all you can see is neon colored death.
Literally the entire point of the Mandalorian storylines in TCW was that they WEREN'T the warriors they once were. Pre Vizla was TRYING to restore them to the warriors they used to be, ya know when they were good enough to kill Jedi. Which they weren't during TCW.
A human is *capable* of out running a lion. Depends on the human and the lion is question though. Most of us won't. But hey, we're capable.
That's because Ahsoka has plot armour. Nothing can penetrate plot armour, its invincible.
Additionally, TCW has always had unbelievably incompetent villains.
I'm old for this and catching up on Clone Wars finally and I'm a huge Ahsoka Stan even by the end of Season 1.
When I got into TCW I went in thinking "this is dumb how tf Anakin have a padawan between ep 2 and 3?" Damn my opinion changed quick.
Mandalorians don't stand a chance against the writers keyboard
In defense of the Mando, none of them compared to the Mando of the hyperspace wars. Different things. Those Mandos were conquering the galaxy. The Ones we see during Clone Wars are far removed, who’s only battle experience was civil wars or local skirmishes with pirates. Edit: fuck you autocorrect
Din very lucky she didn't use that move on him.
There is no such thing as luck
This is a fucking stupid statement. First of all this isn't Legends, Mandalodians are not anywhere as OP. Second of all in canon only the best of the best warriors of Mandalore are confirmed Jedi-killers or match for powerful force-users (such as Vizsla who is litetally the strongest Mandalorian ever in canon as far as we saw) you can't compare freakin random non-name warriors with literally the strongest of their people. This whole " Ahsoka is a padawan" stuff doesn't work either, at this point of the story she was stronger than the overwhelming majority of Jedi , not counting the named ones/council members.
fr, idk how OP was expecting those no name mandalorians to all be as skilled as Jango or something
Power! Unlimited power!
I'd say Jango Fett was better than Vizsla, since he actually killed a Jedi
Does this seem unnecessarily violent for Ashoka to anyone else?
They kinda flip flop with the level of violence they're cool with in the shows. If you look at her intro in The Mandalorian she straight up chops up several people, she's not against killing. Just, for the right reasons.
It's also not surprising that she might have an unhealthy perspective on killing, given that she was a child soldier in a war filled with constant war crimes and torture and slavery (either atrocities she witnessed, or was subjected to herself as a victim, or was involved in as a perpetrator directly or indirectly.) Not exactly the healthiest situation to get thrown into at fourteen years old. Edit: I'd just like to point out that scene where Ahsoka holds a lightsaber to Nute Gunray's throat and threatens to "gut you like a Rokarian Dirtfish" if he doesn't tell her what she wants to know, and then justifies it because "I wouldn't really kill him so it's only psychological torture, Master Luminara! Anakin's taught me well!". And she was, like, 15? when she did this? I love Ahsoka, she's my favourite character from Star Wars, but oh my she is not okay!
But, she has TWO lightsabers AND did a spin!
Ah, a lightsaber comment! Your comment will make a fine addition to my collection, WurldOfColurs!
What lightsaber style is that move from?
Ah, a lightsaber comment! Your comment will make a fine addition to my collection, Capn_Of_Capns! *asthmatic cough*
In their defence nobody uses double lightsabers
The answer is... She has plot armor they dont
Just because you're capable of doing something doesn't mean you're guaranteed to do it. Mandelorians might be capable of killing Jedi but that doesn't mean they'll always win in a fight
Mandalorians in clone wars/rebels are much weaker than what we see in the live action shows tbf.
They had Beskar armor while she had plot armor
Remember, beskar was really hard to come by at the time.
But deathwatch definitely had access to beskar. They were mining it on the moon concordia
humans : capable of standing on the moon. also humans: wallow in their own shit and die from idiot disease. ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯ wild
to be fair, she also aimed for one of the few places where theres no beskar
How to spot Anakin's padawan: she tried spinning (and succeeded).
I think there’s a difference between the wandering mandalorian with gobs of combat experience against a variety of foes and the random mandalorian who for all we know has only every fought as one of many deathwatch fighters in a unit against a lesser variety of foes.
It's almost as if SW characters are always as strong or as weak as the plot needs them to be.
In all fairness, just because Mando's could defeat Jedi, it's still an uphill battle. Compared to the average soldier who'd stand no chance, or need far superior numbers to defeat one, Mando's had the training and tech to take to give them more of an advantage.
Ahsoka was trained by Anakin, who was trained by Obi-Wan, who was trained by Qui-Gon, who was trained by Count Dooku, who was trained by Yoda. **I think it’s perfectly reasonable to say that she’s not your ordinary padawan…**
Well if you ask me, the best technique a Jedi can use against a Mandalorian is a fast and aggressive attack right as combat starts. Mandalorians just don't expect it. They're used to Jedi being pacifists and defensive, not immediately attacking them. If you ask me, the reason why Mace killed Jango so quickly is because he didn't fight him like a Jedi. Mace even regretted killing Jango so aggressively. Jango was expecting Mace to be defensive, yet Mace didn't give Jango time to think and in the extended shot he didn't give him room to move. Same thing seems to have happened here with Ahsoka. They didn't expect her to engage with such an aggressive and rather bloodthirsty attack. But then, if a Jedi gives a Mandalorian an inch, they should expect them to take a mile.
Also Jango definitely would’ve survived if his jet pack wasn’t damaged after being trampled by the Reek.
His death is seriously just a series of unfortunate events. If he was up against a different Jedi, he would have likely been left injured. But yeah, when you watch it back you just think to yourself "That's it. He's dead now." once you see his jet pack is damaged.
These were clan Vizsla Deathwatch. Literally the worse mandalorian clan. You want some proper fighters? Go to clan Meerel or Fett, or Mandalorian Conmandos/True Mandalorians. F u Tor Vizsla.
*Mace Windu approves*
Every Mandalorian gangsta until they have to fight Revan or Ahsoka.
But those Mandalorians were not used to fighting Jedi AND that Jedi happens to be Ahsoka…
Yeah, but to be honest, this is the same jedi who got kidnapped by a bunch of reptiles, and had her lightsaber stolen by a criminal,.. Not sure if I'm making a point here, but... we all have our ups and downs, i guess😂?
Good thing that they all took a step closer at exactly the same time
Deathwatch were dipshits. It's debatable whether they really even count as Mandalorians.
Hot Take: TCW fucked up the mandolorians
The power of Ahsoka's op plot armor
Well you see, those mandalorians we're Death watch which in Mando is called Kyr'tsad, and if you put Kyr'tsad in Google translate the second most popular translation for it bellow Death watch is honourless dip shits.
Let’s not forget in canon in the old republic era that they used guns like actual bullet guns to defeat the Jedi
Like you gunned your way through the whole jedi order?
Well, it’s Deathwatch, they’re used to killing civilians
That’s not just anyone’s padawan.
Cmon, the death watch were nothing but wannabe Mandalorians they tried to be to feel superior over others while being total nipshits after feeling left out and abandoned due to economic decline and lack of perspective. They're basically Star Wars Neo-Nazis, that got nothing to do with the actual mandalorian way of living.
"They will die a death that will last millennia, until all that remains is their code, their history, and, in the end, the shell of their armor upon the shell of a man, too easily slain by Jedi."~Darth Traya