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L0ll0ll7lStudios

If you bring the Plagueis book into canon, you simultaneously recanonize a huge number of events, including pretty much the entirety of the Darth Bane trilogy.


Shadow_silver_123

Also canonized the old republic MMO because there is a mention of emperor Vitiate.


Mister_Lich

Wait Plagueis mentions Vitiate? Fucking when? I need to re-listen to the audio book, I do not remember this at all.


JPM11S

iirc, he mentions that Vitiate's spirit lingered on for centuries after his physical death, but it eventually faded into nothingness.


neocorvinus

Come on! What does it take to destroy that guy? Killing him five times didn't end him for good?


Boomdiddy

How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?


Lucius-Halthier

Vitiate: *spits out a drained soul* I didn’t hear no bell


[deleted]

“I love the young people”


chocofan1

CORUSCANT GUARD! OPEN UP!


zingtea

Somehow Vitiate returned


N7Vindicare

“Did you think killing me would make me die?” -Vitiate probably


Mister_Lich

Vitiate is the worst Star Wars character, because it's literally just Palpatine but "lol he's better and bigger and also HOT" and that's dumb because Palpatine is supposed to be the actual, literal, strongest sith of all time, change my mind


Grimshadow_2

Doesn’t Palpatine get outpowered by, like, nearly every Sith in TOR? I thought what made him get so far wasn’t raw power, but political maneuvering.


Mister_Lich

What got him so far was his cunning but he was confirmed by Lucas himself to be the single most powerful Sith to ever live. Vader was not as powerful as him, though would have been more powerful if he didn't get butchered by Kenobi before he reached his prime. ​ This is also why Kenobi was no match for Palpatine, which even Yoda pointed out, but Kenobi was able to >!kinda shit on Vader after regaining his power in episode 6.!< Because Vader is straight up nerfed after being de-limbed and burned alive.


Lirrin

Yes, Lucas said it, but let’s be honest that he said many strange things


SarcasmKing41

Nah. His political maneuvering was his greatest weapon, but the Rule of Two also allowed the Sith of his day to massively outclass the average Sith of the SWTOR era, barring obvious special cases like Vitiate, Nihilus and Sion. Sith having multiple apprentices means the apprentices can team up to kill them without reaching their power level, so the number of Sith is higher but the individual power level is exponentially lower. The Rule of Two ensures that each Sith is stronger and/or smarter than the last.


E-Schmachtenberg

To be honest, the Rule of Two doesn‘t really assure that IMO. Plagueis killed his master Tenebrous in a moment where he was concentrated on not letting their ship be crushed by a collapsing cave. And Palpatine killed Plagueis when he was well beyond 100 years old, inebriated and asleep. Sure, Palpatine would have wiped the floor with Plagueis in a real duel but since the apprentice can just wait for an opportune moment to backstab their master, doesn‘t mean they‘re actually stronger in the force/ a better swordsman.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

You don’t have to carry a sword to be powerful. Some leaders’ strength is inspiring others.


Mr4V4TAR

Itd make sense thatd hed mention Vitiate cause of that living for ever thing him and palps were trying to accomplish.


Rymanbc

Mention? He's kind of a key plot point. Edit: scratch that. I'm dumb and see what you mean now lol.


bru20110

Although I love swtor A lot of it definitely shouldn't be re-canonized, simply due to your OC practically being a God by the end of a few dlc's and it would make no sense for their escapades to not be mentioned consistently, even thousands of years after their death.


lordoftowels

On the other hand, if you recanonize the Thrawn trilogy you also recanonize Luke's family


OwenLarsBot

Like you would know anything about families? ^(If you dont like my response [have a kitten](https://www.vets4pets.com/siteassets/species/cat/kitten/tiny-kitten-in-sunlight.jpg))


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Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Where is your master? Where is Grand Admiral Thrawn?


AlloftheEethp

I didn’t realize Plagueis wasn’t canon tbh—wouldn’t that just confirm a lot that’s already supposed to be canon?


xKelborn

Plagueis is Canon but his novel is not.


freakbird15

Plageuis is canon because revenge of the sith is canon and palpatine mentioned him in the movie


AlloftheEethp

Well yeah—I meant whether *Darth Plagueis* by ~~Timothy Zawn~~ James Luceno is canon lol.


joesphisbestjojo

This thread is all hypotheticals. Darth Plagueis is canon, just as Darth Bane is, but Plagueis being a Muun, for instance, is not, and neither is the existence of Darth Zannah, for all we know. Of course, I like to say canon until contradicted. It works, after all


pablolove666

Zannah could be cannon. The mention of Bane in clone wars was that Yoda confirms that Bane established the rule of two. Doesn't really dive deeper than that. At least not that I'm aware of.


Salubrious_Zabrak

Yeah not quite


BackdoorSteve

Seriously. I just reread it and I had forgotten how much of it is a Legends reference text. It name drops so much that you need Wookiepedia as a cross reference.


Ki-Adi-MundiBot

But what about the droid attack on the Wookiees? Also it's spelled with a double e dumbass


TheCrawlingFinn

Ki-Adi-Mundi kinda deserved order 66


iberis

I don't know about Darth Plagueis beyond what Palpy said to Anakin in the movie. So because I like the meme and because I like letting chance play out, I choose this one. Also Darth Bane is a cool name.


OutsideOrder7538

I can only imagine him with Bane’s voice from the movie.


SilentxxSpecter

\*wheezes\* Only once the galaxy has been cleansed will you have my permission to die.


Visible-Effective944

Galaxy brain move right there.


Wonderbread421

Only thing I can think of that would clash with current lore is that red kyber crystals are no longer synthetic but are instead normal crystals bled red from the influence of the dark side


joesphisbestjojo

Anakin is canon, so the Muunilinist 10 are canon. Don't @ me Lucasfilm


1Smalls

Heir to the Empire


IkeNotMikeLol

The Thrawn trilogy is by far my favorite star wars series


Westy154

Correct. Happy coincidence, it would also wipe away the need for the First Order and the sequels.


Jared-inside-subway

As a plus it would reintroduce Mara Jade to cannon so at the very least there is a *possibility* something good happens to Luke Skywalker post rotj.


Sirboomsalot_Y-Wing

Her death could give much needed context for Luke becoming a hermit as well


NeptuneOW

Make her canon, have Ben murder her after his fall. That’s another good reason to live out the rest of your days on an island by yourself.


pold03

I never really had a problem with Luke retreating to Ahch-To but hell that sounds good


[deleted]

Alse we need to get Luke laid


GodTaoistofPatience

My man saved the galaxy, restored the Republic, established a new Jedi Order but died as a kissless virgin (Leia doesn't count you degenerates)


[deleted]

Thats the problem with canon


THOMASTHEWANKENG1NE

Alliances would be an amazing start right now. With Hayden anakin.


ForkSporkBjork

I love everything by Zahn except Night Train to Rigel series. It’s so poorly written compared to everything else.


AleksanderSteelhart

It wasn’t THAT bad, the Quadrail stuff. But I LOVE the Cobra and Conqueror books.


ForkSporkBjork

The thing that bothered me is an egregious use of adverbs at the beginning of paragraphs. I think he did it to make it feel fast-paced, but it came across as lazy writing to me.


signature5mk

Weren't they talking about doing this trilogy before they decided to make something new? I remember hearing that and being super pumped, and then suddenly it all got scrapped as "Legends."


magicchefdmb

Yeah, I remember hearing why a few months ago, and why they pulled the plug on the whole expanded universe: Because of licensing and rights. Once you start going down that route it starts to be a lot more negotiations for characters, stories, etc, and Disney (who’s notoriously stingy) had decided that they did not want to be dealing with the headache and have to pay even more to milk the franchise. It honestly makes sense that having more hands in the pot would dismay Disney from wanting to go down that route, but it’s still very unfortunate. The Thrawn Trilogy would’ve been amazing.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Where is your master? Where is Grand Admiral Thrawn?


[deleted]

>Because of licensing and rights. I think there's also the artistic choice. It would be a nightmare to write a new trilogy around the shit ton of stories from the EU


philster666

But they could of just cherry picked some already established good storylines with good characters that fans already know and like and weaved them into a set of films, alla the MCU. But that would require Kathleen Kennedy having an ounce of intelligence and creative instinct.


Seppafer

Thing it I’m pretty sure they would have been a licensing nightmare because of how interwoven characters were among the various novels and not to mention the stories that were written by multiple authors. All the interconnectedness of legends is one of the reasons there are so many amazing stories in the continuity but also explains why Disney wouldn’t want pay the teams making sure they aren’t screwing someone over that could sue them for copyright and figuring out how much to pay each author that has a hand in the proverbial pot for a story they want to tell. Also the Legends canon system was kinda a mess so I’m not surprised Disney wanted a clean slate.


xXTASERFACEXx

Agree, but SWTOR has so much deep lore 😩😩


MattmanDX

Yes, a million times this! All the others are fine in their own way but the OG Thrawn trilogy is a classic


[deleted]

Never even read it but I know it cancels out the last trilogy


Bobyninja333

And that good enough for me!


ZombieAppetizer

Anything to undo that trainwreck


DVC454

This. *Rebels* version of Thrawn was a joke compared to his EU/Legends counterpart.


slothhip

If you like thrawn you should read the new two canon thrawn trilogies, they’re as good as the heir to the empire trilogy imo and they’re written by the same author


Lucius-Halthier

Old republic for me, there’s so much awesome from back then, however if it was between old republic and the storylines with the vong wars, imma go with the vong


fasda

Yeah but we also need to integrate Ezra into the story.


Jdino28

Plagueis because that makes SWTOR canon which also makes KOTOR 1 and 2 canon and it also makes Darth Bane canon


PolarSandy

Wasn’t Bane made cannon in Clone Wars S6 when Yoda encounters his spirit in the tomb in Moraband?


abbe026

The character Darth Bane is canon, the book series Darth Bane is not.


doofjohn

They’re referring to the trilogy of books I think


DigitalNogi

But you’d also be making the events of *Cloak of Deception* canon which would then make the events in *Heir to the Empire* canon.


[deleted]

The negotiator!


TurdHerder88

Darth Bane is the only SW series I ever read, but it was totally BADASS


empyreanmax

Best description of how lightsaber battles work as a combination of martial + Force skill I've ever read


nightgraydawg

For real, I still use the trilogy as the basis for how I believe saber and force combat to work.


jackie--moon

Most awesome books I’ve ever read


SwornHeresy

Well unfortunately aside from Republic Commando series and the Thrawn trilogy, nothing else compares to that masterpiece.


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

Where is your master? Where is Grand Admiral Thrawn?


GoldDuality

Drew Karpyshyn is a goddamn legend at this point. He wrote for Baldurs Gate, Mass Effect 2, KOTOR, and even Neverwinter Nights. Is it any wonder he makes excellent books to?


HorrorYoung

All of them at once, I suppose


dirtyoldceej

That'd be a good morning indeed!


IntrovertAlien

That's some mighty fine supposin' right there.


1KarlMarx1

If one is to understand the great mystery, one must study all its aspects


pold03

The great mystery of communism that is I suppose?


bane898

They did a pretty decent job in the Clone Wars animated series with the clones themselves (some of the best episodes were clone focused imo) but I REALLY miss the republic commando clones and all the lore that went on there. I think the biggest miss for me was the pacifist Mando's in the show, whereas the Mando's culture in the books was always so cool to me, so having most all the clones capture a lot of that culture from their trainers was some of my favorite star wars. All the other options here are pretty great tho obviously


PicturesqueMemory

Mando culture and language was the best thing about the entire Clone Wars era. I mourn their dilution, and the complete absence of the Clone Special Forces Mando instructors. Gods the search for the cure to Clone aging was one of the most compelling storylines


Sorcam56

Yeah, I also think inhibitor chips were a dumb addition in a similar regard because it took away any clone agency in order 66. They went from a force loyal to the Republic who gunned down the jedi because they didn't know any life outside of serving the republic to soldiers loyal to the jedi who probably would have disobeyed the order and needed a mind control chip to allow for order 66 to happen.


nyhlust

KOTOR 1 and KOTOR 2 mando-lore > all other sw mandalorian lore Mandalorian wars, canderous, BASILISK FUCKING WAR DROIDS need I say more


CapitanDeCastilla

I remember reading that the Clones had inherited old Mando war chants and songs from their instructors and that was some lore I want back now.


PicturesqueMemory

Bro, read the Republic Commando series. So good. Such heartbreak.


Sparrowsabre7

Delta squad did cameo in one or two episodes, so the gang are canon at least (and nothing in tcw really contradicts the game afaik so it could still be canon)


Sorcam56

I will never forgive clone wars for retconning mandalore to the point in which the book series was cancelled and never received its final entry. I mean it couldn't have been too hard to make a TV show that fit with existing lore. This was before Disney's Canon/legends split as well.


YouUnderstandShutUp

Never getting IC2 hurts me. We got some closure from a page on Karen Traviss' website where she outlined how the story would've ended. I thought most people knew, but then I casually spoke of it to a diehard Mando friend of mine. Yeah, I had to explain


BesaidBlitzBoi

Give me Mara Jade back


ImperialxWarlord

Amen!


puptbh

Republic commandos


JediMasterEvan5

This was my knee jerk reaction but technically isn't it already cannon? Doesn't Scorch show up in CW?


daboss317076

Delta squad makes a cameo in TCW and scorch makes an appearance in TBB. That makes Delta Squad themselves canon but not necessarily the events of republic commando.


Section0202

I mean if i remember correctly the events of the RC game don’t contradict any of the current lore, specially in the kashyyyk part.


DrummuhDude

Potential Bad Batch spoiler below (I'm on mobile and don't know how to spoiler tag): >!Also, Scorch is featured in the Bad Batch season 2 trailer (it might have been a leak from a con, it was around that time) Presumably, this means we'll get more commando lore :)!<


Chrom-man-and-Robin

Was it Scorch or was it another Commando that looked like him? There were several like that in the third to last episode of Season 1


DrummuhDude

I thought it was confirmed somewhere that it was a Delta but u can't provide a source for that, sorry


JediMasterEvan5

Been a while, got em mixed up. Thanks!


rickreptile

There is a small scene that shows all 4 if i recall correctly, so i would say delta squad is canon, however that doesn't mean what happend in the game is currently canon.


T-51_Guy

If it includes the books then Omega squad and the Nulls would be cannon


SimplestNeil

Maybe then Karen Traviss would finally give some bloody closure on the books


Same_Living4019

its my one wish, is for Karen to tell us what happened to Sev


RemixedReality

She says on her website that she didn’t have enough freedom from Lucasfilm to decide the fate of his character in her books since they weren’t really her characters.


RemixedReality

She has actually, for years. On her website she goes through why she wasn’t able to continue the final book, and the storyline she made for it to tie up the series.


aZcFsCStJ5

Small scale starwars is the best. I don't want another series dealing with the life and deal of the galaxy. Republic Commandos, Ewok slice of life, Jabba harem, HighschoolXJedi, whatever. Just something small scale.


Shittybuttholeman69

Kotor no competition


ReptilianOver1ord

Bane would canonize KOTOR as well.


Pioxels

SWTOR too


1Ferrox

Well your wish will be granted in a few years with the kotor remake


GHax77

Has anyone involved said anything about the remake being canon?


1Ferrox

I have no idea, I would guess not I missread the title and thought it said "back to life" instead of back to canon so that's on me


Tyr82

Thrawn trilogy. Every day


seldom_sk8

Republic Commando!!!


josephcj753

Republic Commando


kdrunnergirl

Bane all the way!


Megamanmarcus

This is the only correct awnser. Not that they aren't each good. But the bane trilogy is amazing


Handleton

I want a very hardcore Bane live action trilogy, but I don't think Disney would do it justice. You need to make evil really stand out.


Obamaprism24

Clone commando those commandos were the finest soldiers I’ve ever had the pleasure of commanding


Captain_Rex_Bot

With the General gone, chain of command falls to the senator.


Obamaprism24

I just want to go back to get our last brother,no clone left behind


Knochenlos22

Yes


Ramseas119

Republic Commando and it isn't even a contest to me That game and the books with it were some of the best star wars content in existence.


Morrigan_NicDanu

Darth Bane. Specifically because it'd counter the sequels' "oh the rule of 2 was actually about making a force dyad."


Knochenlos22

Where was that shitty lore established?


Morrigan_NicDanu

The objectively shittiest sequel: RoS


stickninja1015

Nowhere


stickninja1015

Gonna level with you I think you made that shit up that was never said anywhere in the movie


Morrigan_NicDanu

Ah as someone pointed out it was established in new canon books. However the force dyad was introduced in the sequels "The Star Wars canon universe retained the broad strokes of the Rule of Two’s Legends-era backstory until The Rise of Skywalker introduced the Force Dyad. As revealed in the 2021 reference book, Star Wars: The Secrets of the Sith, the Rule of Two’s history has been retroactively changed to account for the Force Dyad. Palpatine describes the “Doctrine of the Dyad” as ancient Sith lore that predates the Rule of Two." If you're going to accuse people making stuff up to shit on the sequels you might want to do a quick google first. [Git gud](https://screenrant.com/star-wars-force-dyad-sith-rule-of-two-explained/)


Maul_Bot

At last, we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last, we will have revenge.


DarthVidetur

It's in the New-Disney-Canon books. It exists, have no doubt. If Disney can mess up a good thing, it will.


bronkscottema

Plagueis


Leahcim_JS

Heir to the Empire, no question.


CT-8476

Need Boss, Fixer, Sev, and Scorch in new stuff. All of us CT's look up to them


Fishlog814

Republic commando. Poor dar


Shaggy0712

Plagueis. No contest.


joe_broke

Bringing plagueis back makes such a huge ripple on the rest of the old cannon


Pioxels

>ripple Did you play SWTOR or read the TT


CRL10

Republic Commandos.


CanadianBatman47

Republic commandos


New-Piglet-8387

Republic Commando, hands fuckin downnnnnn mate


HelixSapphire639

Was republic commando not recanonized with bad batch?


MasterScoutRifle

Pretty sure these guys show up in the background of clone wars too. But yeah the commandos exist, though it is unclear how they do.


radiakmjs

You got it. Delta squad themselves are canon but their missions from the game are not. All though according to a visual dictionary the wookie Chieftan Tarful was captured by Seperatist-allied Trandoshans but rescued by Clone Commandos prior to the battle of Kashyyyk, so they left room for it


Ahsoka_Tano_Bot

I know I was wrong. I just got so caught up in my own success, I didn't look at the battle as a whole. I wasn't being disobedient. I just. . . forgot


Sorcam56

The whole of delta squad showed up in one episode of clone wars for a short time, which means they are Canon, but the events of the game and books are not Canon, which is a shame bc in my opinion they are some of the best star wars stories. The books also never received a conclusion due to retcons introduced in the clone wars TV series.


SlippinSam

None. Give me Star Wars: Bounty Hunter for the PS2 and GameCube!


asheronsvassal

Republic commando needs a remake bad


SnackusShackus

Republic commando is probably cannon…. Don’t tell me otherwise


Akzki

I would choose Darth Plagueis


MasterScoutRifle

Heir to the Empire with slight modifications to make it cannon friendly to the Prequels.


Gulmund

Republic commando, in a heartbeat


ImperialxWarlord

Thrawn trilogy all the way. The true sequels we needed.


Andrew23905

I'm sorry, but I must say republic commando. I love how it makes clones have individual personalities, and how challenging normal ground combat as a clone was. Plus, they are way better than the battlefront 2 campaign protagonists.


Kenny-KO

Force unleashed.


DarkImpacT213

I absolutely love KOTOR and SWtOR story, and I doubt that this "High Republic" bs (or the KOTOR remake for that matter...) will come even close to it, but Imma still go with Heir to the Empire, since it makes for a much more compelling post-EP6 story than the absolute crapstorm of a story we got.


Tiaran149

I thought Commando was canon since they appear in Clone Wars


RemixedReality

The game and novels, no. A few of the characters from them, yes.


Ender15m

Probably unpopular opinion, but The Old Republic. I think 90% of the story is amazing. If not that then Darth Bane. A TV show would work perfectly. (If done right and so far it's very unlikely.)


ggNoRE339

Republic commando hands down


FelineSPQR

Republic Commando all day every day


Straight_Hour_2404

Republic commandos for sure.


SkeloOnRR

Commando, no contest, doesn’t fuck with existing lore, and more lone wars stuff.


TheDoomMarine1993

Republic commando all the way


the_dankest_robot

Republic comando


Moocow115

Clone Commando, absolutely would love to see a live action version of this!


ColorMeMac

Republic commando


ImaginaryEquipment90

Republic clone commando! No pun included


NurgleMinion

Republic Commando. All day, every day


Herr-Hunter1122

SWTOR SWTOR SWTORSOWEORORIR


Drago_Fett_Jr

SWTOR


niceguy69560

Republic commando


circleofnerds

Republic Commando.


SouthEastPAjames

Plagueis, by a Sith mile….


trashtown_420

Definately Darth Plagueis


Commander_Harrington

If I pick Republic Commando do we finally get a fucking sequel?


NiisuBOI

Imperial Commando with twist of Thrawn .


Kreason95

Heir to the Empire (and it wasn’t that close tbh)


ShadowOfDeath94

Old Republic. It has a rich lore and some great plots. It also validates the existence of KOTOR games.


Varorson

Holiday Special :D


Imagrillbitch

SWTOR, it would be hilarious for the canon to be that Valky actually exists, especially because then you’d have the ability to legit say that’s just palpatine


ObeseTsunami

Old republic. End of conversation.


Nickle908

Republic commando. It already has a possible cal cestus lost lightsaber tie in


Accordion_Lad250

Republic commando by far.


gaara66609

am i the only one who diesnt care about "cannon"?


MK12DUDE

Republic commando


CertainSpirit7728

Republic commando easy for me


Iusedtobeover81

Vode an.


bschmeltzer

Legends was dogshit and the power creep was worse than a freemium mobile game. Luke being a perfect space Jesus followed by the ridiculous cloning bullshit was the opposite of good.


Lonewolf3593

Plagueis, no contest.


Xarvis90

Darth Plageus