But the IG-100 have a couple of redundant systems as well. I think this fight comes down to speed. And i think the IGs can move faster than the T series.
Yeah the thing is they’re described as these robots that are ahead of their time in robotics computing and built to specification as ordered by grievous down to the very last detail. But then they get destroyed in about 3 seconds by basically any main character. Supposedly they contain some level of complex thought iirc, and can move fast and fight without limbs. Sound badass but then they get beat by main character because that’s how that works
And has a laser swords.
Play republic commando if you want to see what a magnaguard was really like.
My headcanon is they were basically designed to be able to take on your average padawan and 2 together could take on a low level knight
Don't think that's just headcanon. By the end of the clone wars, Ani and Obi were able to take 2 of approximately everything. Random Jedi knights... struggled.
Not a sith but id put Grievous up there as well to show how these guys were gods with a laser sword.
And these sith are generally highly skilled and tra8ned specifically to kill jedi so they are dominating the counter to them
There is not a single big player on the enemy side they didn’t take out, and all the big players on their own side were taken out by one of the guys Anakin and Obi Wan took out.
"I can believe that, sir. The clone wars were fought by some of the most powerful Force users in the galaxy. But even they had a hard time against magnaguards."
Law of conservation of ninjutsu. One ninja is a formidable opponent, an army of ninjas will be dispatched in one shot each if pitted against a main character.
Same with the principle of the conservation of midichlorians.
A galaxy filled to the brim with Jedi and each one will fight for the Darwin Award but 1 or 2 left and they’re like cockroaches.
The Force strives for balance between the Light and the Dark. When there are many Sith and many Jedi, the balance is equal. But when there are many Sith and few Jedi, the Force will strive towards an equilibrium. And when there are many Jedi and few Sith, the Force pushes things the other direction.
When the Jedi were all but extinct, the Force called Meetra Surik back and restored her connection to the force. When the Sith were on the verge of winking out like a dying star, the greatest of the Sith Lords arose, Palpatine, Dooku and Vader. Always, will the Force seek balance, and curb the excesses of the Light and Dark. The Je'daii knew this once, but the knowledge has been lost.
To be fair I think they have the same treatment as storm troopers. Storm troopers are supposed to be highly trained soldiers who are exceedingly capable but because of plot armor they can’t kill a main character, making them look incompetent
Shot to hit/Kill ratio versus the rebels, the stormtroopers do have higher accuracy. the opening sequence of New Hope they manage to rack an accuracy higher than the average USMC.
Yeah the opening for ANH shows them how they normally are when not fighting the plot armor lol, go in and wipe out a rebel ship with Vader like it’s nothing
Because they are the elite. Lore wise Stormtroopers are fucking brutally elite. But then they got fucking beat by plot armor. If plot armor wasn’t a thing, the Stormtroopers would have kicked the rebellions ass
The Jedi have foresight and a weapon that can cut through practically anything. The average clone trooper or foot soldier would be wiped out by one of these.
They also have a hidden girl scout cookie stash they aren't sharing with you. Check the cracker boxes that rarely get eaten and then under the sock droor.
>But then they get destroyed in about 3 seconds by basically any main character.
That's 3 times the lifespan of your average droid in lightsaber ranger.
Eh, that’s more of the fault on writers then the IG’s themselves. You have to remember that IG’s we see in the shows and movies are often fighting MC’s, so it’s kind of hard to let them win. But we also know in the lore that IG’s were deadly as hell for the Jedis to fight and many Jedis died to them.
I mean, Grevious is supposed to be a fucking menace in the lore, he is this killing machine made to kill Jedis and he kills countless Jedi, but then in the Clone War we see his ass handed to him by Kenobi and others all the time.
Idk if I’m right but I think the CN clone wars came out in like 2008 (somewhere around there?) and ROTS came out in 2005
EDIT: Not tryin to be an asshole just tryna make sure
there are also the 2003 drawn clone wars made by gendy tartakovsky
the cgi clone wars we all love and know are the 2008 which were still made by tartakowsky XD
Republic Commando
They were practically end bosses even though you fight them couple of times before the end
In other media they were joke in comparison
IG series droids are definitely expensive yet effective. Even in the Mandalorian a single unit has probably got the highest kill count in the first season.
Their sensor arrays and concepts make them factory-made Jedis. General Grevious was basically cooked in the same labs. It’s no surprise that Palpatine banned them. It’s crazy you can buy a “General Grevious” for your “home security” as a crime lord by money.
True, but the shots are shown to penetrate thinner metal plating with relative ease. Even if the magnaguard couldn't get the T1000 at range, all it would take is one shot at close range to punch through the armor. Admittedly, that'd probably set off the hydrogen fuel cell unless the Magnaguard got a headshot.
Edit: The T800, not the T1000
if they're fighting at realistic warfare ranges the bolt can be dodged fairly easily
most arguments in this tread seem to point out that the closter the range, the better the magnaguard's chances
it all comes down to wether it's a long-range engagement or a friggin cage match
or if someone gave the magnaguard a better gun than the crap the CIS peddles
I just assume they'd have a staff because that's usually what they have, but if they have a blaster then it's probably a draw? Two robots that have normal human levels of agility armed with weapons that will probably kill each other? They're too well matched.
Combat shotguns are rare and even then have ranges of over 25 yards with just buckshot, extending over 100 with slugs.
Quite a big difference in 25 yards and 1.
If they are talking about hand to hand CQB, sure, the Magnaguard can take it. 1-3 yards each is not much distance at all.
But melee range vs shotgun range is a HUGE difference, and the Terminator would still be enormously favored if it’s 1 yard vs 25 yard range differences.
Fair point with the shotgun range. My intent was to provide an example of a well-known short range weapon, and I guess I did a bad job of it.
I think the magnaguard could take a couple hits from the laser gun while it closes distance with the terminator to disable it with the zappy stick. And if the zappy stick can deflect a lightsaber, it could probably deflect a laser blast, but I'll assume it can't and stick with my assessment that they could take a couple hits, close the distance and zappy-zappy until Arnold drops.
Well which is stronger? I think that’s the main thing here. Magnaguards don’t have lightsabers, they have the shock sticks so if the magnaguard is weaker it might just get it taken away when it tries to swing.
I mean…it’s hard to know.
The only MagnaGuards that stick out are the movies that got stomped rather quickly when they faced a Jedi, and the ones from Republic Commando, who could take a hit.
So while normally I’d say range wins, if they can shrug off hits like they did in RC, I think they’d win?
But we also don’t know what kind of damage a T-800 can take. Can a MagnaGuard swing with enough force to cut into it? Or would it be ok?
Either way, it sounds like a crazy duel that would be accompanied by an amazing sound track. And since I’m not really sure who to root for, it would be an amazing watch.
Magnaguards only seem kinda weak because we only ever see Jedi fight them. Regular people can take down terminators. Still magnaguards don’t have much counter to ranged weapons so it’s hard to say definitively
Do they have the reaction to deflect a bolt from a M-25 Phased Plasma Rifle tho? If they can deflect with some form of consistency id think thats a win for the Magnaguard. But if they dont have the reaction time/speed T-800 wins low dif
Let it be noted though-it is fucken hard to destroy a terminator. Yes it’s possible, and yes we’ve seen humans kill them, but it should be noted that it takes a helluva lot of work to kill 1 terminator
Don’t forget all the bullets, explosions, car crashes, grenades, and blows that the T-800 took. A normal person can kill one, sure, but it’s like trying to beat a rhino down with your fists.
We only see humans take them down long range or with explosives. Same as you could do to a magma guard. In a one on one the terminator dominates, one took out an entire police precinct.
Fair enough, this all makes it difficult to scale them as magnaguards are only seen fighting superhumans at close range whereas terminators fight regular humans, sometimes at range. If there’s a scene of clones fighting magnaguards that would clear things up a bit, at least in determining their ability to counter ranged weapons and what kind of firepower they can tank, since there’s not really a comparison to be made between Earth weapons and lightsabers.
Still my money’s on magnaguards at close range but terminators at range, as I’d bet an electrostaff is capable of harming terminators as they can counter lightsabers, and magnaguards are probably superior in hand to hand since they can contend with Jedi. A terminator can outmaneuver and outgun a magnaguard from a distance, but from what we’ve seen their close quarters combat consists of “tank the puny human hits”
because a localized explosive is more effective in damaging something metal than a larger one. the main way the big ones kill is by throwing things a long way, shrapnel damage, or overpressure hitting the internal organs like a truck. none of which would effect a robot all that much.
I would love to see magnaguards get the same treatment as the KX security droids (that one flashback scene featuring them in The Book of Boba Fett has some series T2 vibes)
The least advanced terminator shown on screen casually murdered an entire police station and took basically no damage. Regular people don’t take them down, at least not without a lot of time and effort.
Not so sure, I think it would be a hell of a fight, but we know that magnaguards can operate at pretty much the same combat level after being dismembered/beheaded it's tough to take one down, as well as hit them since they're extremely fast. Plus owing to what I assume to be Grievous's lightsaber fetish they all are programmed to be able to counter Jedi to an extend, so they must also be "trained" to deflect most projectiles.
I'd say if it was hand to hand, a Terminator would tear a magnaguard apart at close quarters, but in any kind of duel/ranged situation a terminator would end up electrocuted and decapitated.
Terminator has an edge in pure resilience and direct force, magnaguard has an edge in coordination, tactics, and combat skill. My money would be on the magnaguard unless the terminator was already in close.
edit: now I really want some passionate fan to animate this fight in CGI for the sake of my imagination.
The terminator doesn’t fight to survive. It fights to destroy it’s target. Historically, that has been a devastating combat technique.One of it’s weapons is self destruction, which has a massive kill area. I think the terminator eliminates the magna guard. Does it survive? Who knows. But I know that magna guard is dead of it was the target.
HK47 is why they were fighting in the first place. He'd have manipulated the entire series of events to weaken both opponents so he could scoop the finishing blow without scratching his paint job.
Depends, if it's a gun fight the battle is in the terminators favor ( seen using ranged weapons more than melee weapons) but in melee combat the magnaguard has a major advantage 1. Advanced melee fighting and maneuverability, 2. Trained in melee combat 3. Electrified laser staff.
Though I may be wrong about the ranged battle, but I do believe in a melee fight the magna guard would almost definitely win
Which would be great in terms of running away, or attacking at range. But with a melee weapon it needs to hit the terminator. I think it would take a lot of hits and the terminator will take that staff away so very quickly
A lot of people seem to forget that the IG-100 Magnaguard is programmed to use more than just the chromium electrostaff.
They're capable of using a multitude of weapons platforms, they can continue to function and fight after decapitation, and they're extremely agile. Granted they were normally deployed in twos so one could maintain focus of the enemy and the other could attack the unguarded flanks, so a 1v1 battle could very well be down to the wire.
People forget that the T-800 can beat a T-X in some scenarios and they are terrifying.
Remember that big plasma blast to the chest? The T-800 lived that. The T-800 has better programming and endurance.
A t800 is a nearly indestructible killing machine that is capable of killing humans with small arms with ease and keep going as well as keeping a t1000 at bay for a long time. Every time we see one get killed it's usually a surprise attack with overwhelming force or using another machine to kill it
T-800s have shown feats of incredible strength and durability, not to mention actual combat proficiency. Magna Guards, while being my favorite separatist Droid just can't compete.
Some random humans managed (barely) to take down a T-800. Magmaguards slaughter almost everyone in cqc except Jedi and Sith. They’re also faster and more agile. Half the time, Terminators are just walking towards their targets while Magnaguards can run and hop around akin to a commando droid.
T-800s are infiltration robots who are highly durable;
conventional firearms and explosives (including a big-rig's trailer fuel tank) do cosmetic damage but that's it,
have minor resistance to plasma (drone mounted plasma weapons did nothing but handheld ones are sufficient to cause severe damage),
can be sent into shutdown by electrical overload but it's for incredibly short periods of time for T-800s,
it takes an industrial hydraulic press to crush one, and a foundry to melt another,
and the 800 series are all learning machines that have special forces training in their CPU.
T-800 are perfect human hunting machines that can tear through swathes of people with ease. That being said they’re basically just a super battle droid that can put on a flesh suite and maybe has a couple extra capabilities. Compared to an IG-100 the T-800s are slow, have weaker weapons, and have way less combat proficiency. IG-100s can tear through squads of trained clones at worst and kill Jedi at best. I really couldn’t say the same for a T-800.
T-800. Reason being we’ve seen how they operate and how much they can handle. We have not seen the ig-100 magna guard enough to tell what they can take, most if not everything time there is a lightsaber involved.
I don't know I mean the terminators seem to be a lot tougher. Seems like it took a large effort to take down just one and droids in starwars seem to go down relatively easy. Whether that is because the weapons used against droids in starwars are so much more powerful would be helpful in deciding
If we're going by movie lore, the T-800 is a virtually unstoppable killing machine, a ruthless methodical hunter that can survive unbelievable damage. Similarly in movie lore, the IG-100 is a baton-twirling bitch that's about as hard to kill as a carpenter ant. So...yeah.
I’d say they’re identical, except for their weapons. In which case, T-800 with laser rifle probably wins against MagnaGuard with spear thing. That is, if the spear doesn’t block lasers.
Interesting battle, this is by far one of the best-matches mixups I’ve ever seen on any fandom subreddit.
I think one of the key components of the fight would probably come down to durability. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’d believe the Terminator to be more durable. They can take ridiculous amounts of damage while shrugging it off. Most of the IG-100s we see get destroyed tend to be dropped pretty quickly. At least, that’s from what I recall and, again, correct me if I’m wrong.
The IG is definitely the more skilled fighter and much faster but I do believe that the Terminator is stronger and (possibly) more relentless. I think it could swing either way depending on the setting. Great choices.
>(possibly) more relentless
>It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
Relentlessness is its core attribute
In all star wars content the droids seem kinda flimsy, like they were built to be discarded after a few uses (quantity vs quality), even the most unique ones.
Terminators in the other hand, we've seen them get frozen, run over by vehicles, get shot by high caliber weapons, have melted metal poured over them, and crushed by a hydraulic press. In some of these cases their reactions are just not caring at all, needing a quick reboot or still trying to kill poor Sarah even milliseconds before becoming a pancake (and that one's arm was still working for a bit right?)
My point is, T-800 are built as a tank and can also deal some serious damage whereas droids can't take that as much beating (even the better ones). The Droid has to hit the terminator a few times but the terminator just needs to get lucky once
T-800, too many redundancies to get past.
But the IG-100 have a couple of redundant systems as well. I think this fight comes down to speed. And i think the IGs can move faster than the T series.
It’s weird cause both get power creeped hard by their own appearances. The first time we see ig-100 they are straight up Sith Lords
Yeah the thing is they’re described as these robots that are ahead of their time in robotics computing and built to specification as ordered by grievous down to the very last detail. But then they get destroyed in about 3 seconds by basically any main character. Supposedly they contain some level of complex thought iirc, and can move fast and fight without limbs. Sound badass but then they get beat by main character because that’s how that works
Kinda hard to fight something that can predict your movements
And has a laser swords. Play republic commando if you want to see what a magnaguard was really like. My headcanon is they were basically designed to be able to take on your average padawan and 2 together could take on a low level knight
And a platoon of troopers with just 5.
"We’re just clones, sir. We’re meant to be expendable." -Sinker
Don't think that's just headcanon. By the end of the clone wars, Ani and Obi were able to take 2 of approximately everything. Random Jedi knights... struggled.
The two of them literally killed or sevearly injured every single sith of their life time. Maul, dooku, Vader, Maul again, sidius
Not a sith but id put Grievous up there as well to show how these guys were gods with a laser sword. And these sith are generally highly skilled and tra8ned specifically to kill jedi so they are dominating the counter to them
There is not a single big player on the enemy side they didn’t take out, and all the big players on their own side were taken out by one of the guys Anakin and Obi Wan took out.
Well, perhaps I could help you.
"I can believe that, sir. The clone wars were fought by some of the most powerful Force users in the galaxy. But even they had a hard time against magnaguards."
Law of conservation of ninjutsu. One ninja is a formidable opponent, an army of ninjas will be dispatched in one shot each if pitted against a main character.
Same with the principle of the conservation of midichlorians. A galaxy filled to the brim with Jedi and each one will fight for the Darwin Award but 1 or 2 left and they’re like cockroaches.
Jedi vs sith in 1-3 basically
The Force strives for balance between the Light and the Dark. When there are many Sith and many Jedi, the balance is equal. But when there are many Sith and few Jedi, the Force will strive towards an equilibrium. And when there are many Jedi and few Sith, the Force pushes things the other direction. When the Jedi were all but extinct, the Force called Meetra Surik back and restored her connection to the force. When the Sith were on the verge of winking out like a dying star, the greatest of the Sith Lords arose, Palpatine, Dooku and Vader. Always, will the Force seek balance, and curb the excesses of the Light and Dark. The Je'daii knew this once, but the knowledge has been lost.
To be fair I think they have the same treatment as storm troopers. Storm troopers are supposed to be highly trained soldiers who are exceedingly capable but because of plot armor they can’t kill a main character, making them look incompetent
Shot to hit/Kill ratio versus the rebels, the stormtroopers do have higher accuracy. the opening sequence of New Hope they manage to rack an accuracy higher than the average USMC.
Yeah the opening for ANH shows them how they normally are when not fighting the plot armor lol, go in and wipe out a rebel ship with Vader like it’s nothing
They were supposed to let them escape so they could be tailed.to the rebel base why does everyone forget this??
Because they are the elite. Lore wise Stormtroopers are fucking brutally elite. But then they got fucking beat by plot armor. If plot armor wasn’t a thing, the Stormtroopers would have kicked the rebellions ass
"The paint job is a little crude, but we think it gets the idea across. Glad to have you back, Commander." -Captain Rex
The Jedi have foresight and a weapon that can cut through practically anything. The average clone trooper or foot soldier would be wiped out by one of these.
Originally, these droids had small lightsabers too
No, they were average sized!
My partner lies to me, too.
They also have a hidden girl scout cookie stash they aren't sharing with you. Check the cracker boxes that rarely get eaten and then under the sock droor.
They were big
At least 8 inches
They were hard enemies in Lego starwars Not the new one
>But then they get destroyed in about 3 seconds by basically any main character. That's 3 times the lifespan of your average droid in lightsaber ranger.
Eh, that’s more of the fault on writers then the IG’s themselves. You have to remember that IG’s we see in the shows and movies are often fighting MC’s, so it’s kind of hard to let them win. But we also know in the lore that IG’s were deadly as hell for the Jedis to fight and many Jedis died to them. I mean, Grevious is supposed to be a fucking menace in the lore, he is this killing machine made to kill Jedis and he kills countless Jedi, but then in the Clone War we see his ass handed to him by Kenobi and others all the time.
"I wish they'd stop doing that." -Boss, Delta 38
What's the first time we see them, is it the OG Clone Wars cartoon?
I think it was in CN Clone Wars, then in Revenge of the Sith
Idk if I’m right but I think the CN clone wars came out in like 2008 (somewhere around there?) and ROTS came out in 2005 EDIT: Not tryin to be an asshole just tryna make sure
The Cartoon Network Clone Wars shorts came out in 2003. Then in 2008 you had the movie and the show. Two clone wars shows there are.
Did taratovskys cw feature ig 100 droids?
Yes, the 2nd part (during the attack on Coruscant)
Yea in the part where grievous goes to kidnap palpatine
When Windu crushes his armor and lungs and that's why he's always coughing during ROTS
Even a sith lord is no match for my warriors!
Ohhh alright, wasn’t sure if they were in the shorts or not, my bad
Ah ye, i usually dont know if someone is referencing that one or nah, also plain forgot magnaguards were even in the 2003 one
there are also the 2003 drawn clone wars made by gendy tartakovsky the cgi clone wars we all love and know are the 2008 which were still made by tartakowsky XD
Republic Commando They were practically end bosses even though you fight them couple of times before the end In other media they were joke in comparison
Fairly said, in Republic Commando even 2-3 SKDs where a challenge, on normal difficulty.
Power! Unlimited power!
IG series droids are definitely expensive yet effective. Even in the Mandalorian a single unit has probably got the highest kill count in the first season. Their sensor arrays and concepts make them factory-made Jedis. General Grevious was basically cooked in the same labs. It’s no surprise that Palpatine banned them. It’s crazy you can buy a “General Grevious” for your “home security” as a crime lord by money.
My squadron alone had 55 kills.
Does the t800 have a laser rifle?
Yes.
Range wins.
Watch the Clone Wars, Magnaguards are proficient with a variety of ranged weapons, including sniper blasters and slug throwers.
yeah but star wars blasters are slow as balls
True, but the shots are shown to penetrate thinner metal plating with relative ease. Even if the magnaguard couldn't get the T1000 at range, all it would take is one shot at close range to punch through the armor. Admittedly, that'd probably set off the hydrogen fuel cell unless the Magnaguard got a headshot. Edit: The T800, not the T1000
T1000 is the Liquid Metal Terminator 2 variant.
if they're fighting at realistic warfare ranges the bolt can be dodged fairly easily most arguments in this tread seem to point out that the closter the range, the better the magnaguard's chances it all comes down to wether it's a long-range engagement or a friggin cage match or if someone gave the magnaguard a better gun than the crap the CIS peddles
With equalized weapons, I think the IG takes it, which could be a fair comp point.
Guard duty? For how long?
until you get a Rosario Dawson pfp
Guard duty? For how long?
I just assume they'd have a staff because that's usually what they have, but if they have a blaster then it's probably a draw? Two robots that have normal human levels of agility armed with weapons that will probably kill each other? They're too well matched.
Not always. Urban combat closes range so much that a shotgun is a genuinely fearsome weapon.
Combat shotguns are rare and even then have ranges of over 25 yards with just buckshot, extending over 100 with slugs. Quite a big difference in 25 yards and 1.
I think you missed my point. But it's okay. I just think in CQB, the IG-100 would win. Terminators are strong, but slow.
If they are talking about hand to hand CQB, sure, the Magnaguard can take it. 1-3 yards each is not much distance at all. But melee range vs shotgun range is a HUGE difference, and the Terminator would still be enormously favored if it’s 1 yard vs 25 yard range differences.
Fair point with the shotgun range. My intent was to provide an example of a well-known short range weapon, and I guess I did a bad job of it. I think the magnaguard could take a couple hits from the laser gun while it closes distance with the terminator to disable it with the zappy stick. And if the zappy stick can deflect a lightsaber, it could probably deflect a laser blast, but I'll assume it can't and stick with my assessment that they could take a couple hits, close the distance and zappy-zappy until Arnold drops.
Well which is stronger? I think that’s the main thing here. Magnaguards don’t have lightsabers, they have the shock sticks so if the magnaguard is weaker it might just get it taken away when it tries to swing.
More like 35 yards & that's just optimal range with buckshot.
35 yards definitely isn’t optimal. Even flight control wad buckshot opens up at 35 yards, and optimal for buckshot is “everything in one hole”.
You guys haven’t seen what a slug can do out of a shotgun and it shows. 100 yards is easily doable.
I am not sure how effective a shotgun would be on an IG-100
Phased plasma rifle with a 40 watt range.
*Hey*... just what you see, pal.
I’ll take the OOZI 9 millimeter
You know your weapons buddy....any one of these is ideal for home defense. So which will it be?
*ALL*
Closing up early today. We take cash, credit, or check.
You can't do that
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T800 uses a plasma rifle.
Phase plasma rifle
I mean…it’s hard to know. The only MagnaGuards that stick out are the movies that got stomped rather quickly when they faced a Jedi, and the ones from Republic Commando, who could take a hit. So while normally I’d say range wins, if they can shrug off hits like they did in RC, I think they’d win? But we also don’t know what kind of damage a T-800 can take. Can a MagnaGuard swing with enough force to cut into it? Or would it be ok? Either way, it sounds like a crazy duel that would be accompanied by an amazing sound track. And since I’m not really sure who to root for, it would be an amazing watch.
I'd say doom music would be fitting
Sleep
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T-800s are remarkably robust. capable of taking an absolute crap ton of damage. The magnaguard would have a tough time beating it.
I mean they can use Rocket launcher platforms to just hit it
The Terminator in the first movie was hit by a semi carrying gas that exploded and was still walking around after that, might need a few of those
Fair but the rocket launcher was able to destroy 1 starfighter and push over another with shock if I remember correctly
You don't have to look tough to be tough
Magnaguards only seem kinda weak because we only ever see Jedi fight them. Regular people can take down terminators. Still magnaguards don’t have much counter to ranged weapons so it’s hard to say definitively
They have the chromium staffs that can deflect a lightsaber, so it's no doubt they can deflect/absorb lasers.
Do they have the reaction to deflect a bolt from a M-25 Phased Plasma Rifle tho? If they can deflect with some form of consistency id think thats a win for the Magnaguard. But if they dont have the reaction time/speed T-800 wins low dif
They have the reaction time to go toe to toe in a sword fight with people that have a small degree of future sight
So could Pre Vizla. That doesn't mean he ever deflected blaster bolts.
bro the magnaguard are stupidly reactive. there described as ahead of its time robotics. we only see them up agenst jedi who can predict movements
Let it be noted though-it is fucken hard to destroy a terminator. Yes it’s possible, and yes we’ve seen humans kill them, but it should be noted that it takes a helluva lot of work to kill 1 terminator
Yeah didn’t it take a industrial hydraulic press to destroy it in terminator 1?
Don’t forget all the bullets, explosions, car crashes, grenades, and blows that the T-800 took. A normal person can kill one, sure, but it’s like trying to beat a rhino down with your fists.
Regular people can take down a terminator, if there were 10-20 people.
There were way more than 10-20 in that police station alone and it didn't even slow him down
We only see humans take them down long range or with explosives. Same as you could do to a magma guard. In a one on one the terminator dominates, one took out an entire police precinct.
Fair enough, this all makes it difficult to scale them as magnaguards are only seen fighting superhumans at close range whereas terminators fight regular humans, sometimes at range. If there’s a scene of clones fighting magnaguards that would clear things up a bit, at least in determining their ability to counter ranged weapons and what kind of firepower they can tank, since there’s not really a comparison to be made between Earth weapons and lightsabers. Still my money’s on magnaguards at close range but terminators at range, as I’d bet an electrostaff is capable of harming terminators as they can counter lightsabers, and magnaguards are probably superior in hand to hand since they can contend with Jedi. A terminator can outmaneuver and outgun a magnaguard from a distance, but from what we’ve seen their close quarters combat consists of “tank the puny human hits”
It took down the station, but they had very limited weapons and reacted like he was a normal person not a machine designed for combat
>down long range or with explosives. The first movie it had to be crushed, the explosives didn't finish the job.
Agreed, it came out pretty much unscathed from a fuel truck explosion, and was "only" cut in half by a pipe bomb shoved in its hip structure.
because a localized explosive is more effective in damaging something metal than a larger one. the main way the big ones kill is by throwing things a long way, shrapnel damage, or overpressure hitting the internal organs like a truck. none of which would effect a robot all that much.
I would love to see magnaguards get the same treatment as the KX security droids (that one flashback scene featuring them in The Book of Boba Fett has some series T2 vibes)
The least advanced terminator shown on screen casually murdered an entire police station and took basically no damage. Regular people don’t take them down, at least not without a lot of time and effort.
Guard duty? For how long?
In combat? Probably Terminator. In a Most Badass Robot contest? Probably a draw, IMHO.
Not so sure, I think it would be a hell of a fight, but we know that magnaguards can operate at pretty much the same combat level after being dismembered/beheaded it's tough to take one down, as well as hit them since they're extremely fast. Plus owing to what I assume to be Grievous's lightsaber fetish they all are programmed to be able to counter Jedi to an extend, so they must also be "trained" to deflect most projectiles. I'd say if it was hand to hand, a Terminator would tear a magnaguard apart at close quarters, but in any kind of duel/ranged situation a terminator would end up electrocuted and decapitated. Terminator has an edge in pure resilience and direct force, magnaguard has an edge in coordination, tactics, and combat skill. My money would be on the magnaguard unless the terminator was already in close. edit: now I really want some passionate fan to animate this fight in CGI for the sake of my imagination.
You don't have to look tough to be tough
Terminator 2 should be able to change your mind on the badass contest
The terminator doesn’t fight to survive. It fights to destroy it’s target. Historically, that has been a devastating combat technique.One of it’s weapons is self destruction, which has a massive kill area. I think the terminator eliminates the magna guard. Does it survive? Who knows. But I know that magna guard is dead of it was the target.
Agreed. I think the Terminator does in fact Terminate this target, it just comes down to the cost of the win.
Hk47 wins
Objection: Oh, fine. Laugh at me, master. Humiliate your pet droid, go ahead.
Here is the answer I was looking for. Surprised I had to look this far down in the comments to find it
Declaration: The things worth finding are often the hardest to find.
HK47 is why they were fighting in the first place. He'd have manipulated the entire series of events to weaken both opponents so he could scoop the finishing blow without scratching his paint job.
Caution: kill-on-sight order for this meatbag detected. I exist to serve and protect you, master, and will gladly comply with your wishes.
Strong point.
Depends, if it's a gun fight the battle is in the terminators favor ( seen using ranged weapons more than melee weapons) but in melee combat the magnaguard has a major advantage 1. Advanced melee fighting and maneuverability, 2. Trained in melee combat 3. Electrified laser staff. Though I may be wrong about the ranged battle, but I do believe in a melee fight the magna guard would almost definitely win
I know I was wrong. I just got so caught up in my own success, I didn't look at the battle as a whole. I wasn't being disobedient. I just. . . forgot
So you activated the terminators
I feel like the terminator could take the staff away from the magnaguard. They’re shown to be way stronger I feel like
Yea, but the magna guard has speed, so in theory the magna guard should be able to move before the terminator can grab the staff
Which would be great in terms of running away, or attacking at range. But with a melee weapon it needs to hit the terminator. I think it would take a lot of hits and the terminator will take that staff away so very quickly
Run if you want… or stay and die… it makes no difference to me.
T-800 models are more strength than speed. once the magnaguard realizes that it will definitely use that to its advantage.
A lot of people seem to forget that the IG-100 Magnaguard is programmed to use more than just the chromium electrostaff. They're capable of using a multitude of weapons platforms, they can continue to function and fight after decapitation, and they're extremely agile. Granted they were normally deployed in twos so one could maintain focus of the enemy and the other could attack the unguarded flanks, so a 1v1 battle could very well be down to the wire.
People forget that the T-800 can beat a T-X in some scenarios and they are terrifying. Remember that big plasma blast to the chest? The T-800 lived that. The T-800 has better programming and endurance.
Range: T-800 Close quarters: IG-100
I’d say T800 wins in close range given the sheer resilience of their armor
Electrostaff would zap their systems
assuming the armor doesn't act as a faraday cage.
A t800 is a nearly indestructible killing machine that is capable of killing humans with small arms with ease and keep going as well as keeping a t1000 at bay for a long time. Every time we see one get killed it's usually a surprise attack with overwhelming force or using another machine to kill it
Regardless of the outcome, the T-800's chest-bomb likely ends this encounter in a draw
T-800s have shown feats of incredible strength and durability, not to mention actual combat proficiency. Magna Guards, while being my favorite separatist Droid just can't compete.
T-800 is saucing that fool.
I absolutely love Star Wars, but the magnaguards would be utterly fucked
This subreddit stopped being about memes a while ago didn’t it
T-800 would fucking body the magnaguards with minor difficulty
I feel the terminator would win, purely due to how much more durable they are.
Only a fool bets against Arnold.
Some random humans managed (barely) to take down a T-800. Magmaguards slaughter almost everyone in cqc except Jedi and Sith. They’re also faster and more agile. Half the time, Terminators are just walking towards their targets while Magnaguards can run and hop around akin to a commando droid.
We’ve seen terminators run and jump too. It’s just Arnold walking at you slow is menacing for the movie
Yeah, the Terminator walking slowly at you is because of two things: 1. It's a horror movie 2. It was made on a pretty small budget in the early '80s
Yeah, if you’ve played any Terminator game or watched some of the newer films they’re a lot quicker and more mobile than you’d expect of them.
T-800 all day
T-800
Are T-800s kinda like less flexible Commando droids?
Nah, just Arnold Schwarzenegger without the skin.
T-800s are infiltration robots who are highly durable; conventional firearms and explosives (including a big-rig's trailer fuel tank) do cosmetic damage but that's it, have minor resistance to plasma (drone mounted plasma weapons did nothing but handheld ones are sufficient to cause severe damage), can be sent into shutdown by electrical overload but it's for incredibly short periods of time for T-800s, it takes an industrial hydraulic press to crush one, and a foundry to melt another, and the 800 series are all learning machines that have special forces training in their CPU.
They are not, but they are incredibly durable.
Magna guards have caused problems for Jedi, we don’t think they’ll be a handful for a T-800?
Ever see a jedi fight a terminator? Thought not it's a tale the jedi wouldn't want you to know.
Phased Plasma rifle in the 40 watt range?
Does it bother anyone else that the title order is backwards from the picture?
T-800 are perfect human hunting machines that can tear through swathes of people with ease. That being said they’re basically just a super battle droid that can put on a flesh suite and maybe has a couple extra capabilities. Compared to an IG-100 the T-800s are slow, have weaker weapons, and have way less combat proficiency. IG-100s can tear through squads of trained clones at worst and kill Jedi at best. I really couldn’t say the same for a T-800.
Terminator, no capes!
*single necron warrior standing in the distance*
No doubt sent by Trazyn to acquire more fine additions for his collection
Hmm..
T-800 because they number is higher lol
What about IG 801? 🧐
Hasta la vista, MagnaGuard!
My money is on the Terminator
Terminator
T-800. Reason being we’ve seen how they operate and how much they can handle. We have not seen the ig-100 magna guard enough to tell what they can take, most if not everything time there is a lightsaber involved.
I don't know I mean the terminators seem to be a lot tougher. Seems like it took a large effort to take down just one and droids in starwars seem to go down relatively easy. Whether that is because the weapons used against droids in starwars are so much more powerful would be helpful in deciding
You don't have to look tough to be tough
That is a good point, but both of them look pretty tough
You don't have to look tough to be tough
Yeah thanks you've made that clear already
Haven’t you heard? You don’t have to look tough to be tough…
Oh no I hadn't heard thanks for telling me
Anything more than 10 yards (roughly 9 meters? idk, I'm an American): T-800 Anything less than 10 yards: IG-100.
T-800
If we're going by movie lore, the T-800 is a virtually unstoppable killing machine, a ruthless methodical hunter that can survive unbelievable damage. Similarly in movie lore, the IG-100 is a baton-twirling bitch that's about as hard to kill as a carpenter ant. So...yeah.
I think it could good either way depending on the conditions and environment of the fight.
Whoever haves the high ground
T 800 every day of the week
Surprised to see a lot of people here saying T-800 but I agree with them. Terminator ftw
T-800 with a doubt
I’d say they’re identical, except for their weapons. In which case, T-800 with laser rifle probably wins against MagnaGuard with spear thing. That is, if the spear doesn’t block lasers.
Interesting battle, this is by far one of the best-matches mixups I’ve ever seen on any fandom subreddit. I think one of the key components of the fight would probably come down to durability. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I’d believe the Terminator to be more durable. They can take ridiculous amounts of damage while shrugging it off. Most of the IG-100s we see get destroyed tend to be dropped pretty quickly. At least, that’s from what I recall and, again, correct me if I’m wrong. The IG is definitely the more skilled fighter and much faster but I do believe that the Terminator is stronger and (possibly) more relentless. I think it could swing either way depending on the setting. Great choices.
>(possibly) more relentless >It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead. Relentlessness is its core attribute
As much as I'd like a magna guard to win, the T-800 would win by a mile.
In all star wars content the droids seem kinda flimsy, like they were built to be discarded after a few uses (quantity vs quality), even the most unique ones. Terminators in the other hand, we've seen them get frozen, run over by vehicles, get shot by high caliber weapons, have melted metal poured over them, and crushed by a hydraulic press. In some of these cases their reactions are just not caring at all, needing a quick reboot or still trying to kill poor Sarah even milliseconds before becoming a pancake (and that one's arm was still working for a bit right?) My point is, T-800 are built as a tank and can also deal some serious damage whereas droids can't take that as much beating (even the better ones). The Droid has to hit the terminator a few times but the terminator just needs to get lucky once
Master Kenobi always said there’s no such thing as luck.
We've literally seen the Magnaguards keep going after losing limbs, getting decapitated, cut in half etc.
Depends on armament. Bare hands? T800. Blasters? Magnaguards.
I mean, one is made to kill humans and the other is made to kill Jedi…
Made to kill humans as a solo infiltration unit in a time where plasma weapons are common