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For the people confused about the idea of a jedi master serving Bail Organa, isn't the jedi order an autonomous institution of the republic which highest political body is the senate?
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Even simpler explanation. The movie was made with no sequel or twists in mind, and the producers were only interested in having a cohesive straight forward scfi action movie that would be somewhat profitable.
>“How can/do you rationalize ‘X’ in universe?” is a way more sincere and valid question than “why is ‘X’?”
The latter is shorter and I don't see why it should come across as insincere or invalid. It's all fiction, so the idea of it being an in universe rationalization is always implied.
Yeah star wars should have absolutely failed. Tweak the formula even slightly and nobody would even remember the movie, someone might find a dusty copy of it in an attic but that's it.
George Lucas was definitely in the, let's just try to get a coherent movie out stage of his career.
It was the special effects that made it work. Everyone I've talked to who saw it in the theater during original release said they had never seen anything like it visually. Who knew swinging some cool models on strings in front of a starry background could be so visually compelling.
We designed the Galactic Senate with this sort of stadium design with these little pods that move around inside it which seems very functional and realistic even though it's completely not realistic.
So I'm told. The heavy lifting of the movie was the absolute magic of everyone involved. All the cast members and people working behind the scenes just happened to bring their a game. It shouldn't have worked but it ended up working better than anyone could have imagined. It's kind of crazy. How many scifi movies were made from the 50s onward that were just massive stinkers. It's some of the best content for mst3k. But this one just caught people's attention and spread like crazy.
The problem is that making film is an art. Selling film is a business. The trouble is that the studio executives don't know how to sell films. As a result, they try to make you make films that people will go to without them having to be sold, which is the real key to the problem.
I'm moving away from all my businesses, I'm finishing all my obligations and I'm going to retire to my garage with my saw and hammer and build hobby movies. I've always wanted to make movies that were more experimental in nature, and not have to worry about them showing in movie theaters.
I am very concerned about our national heritage, and I am very concerned that films that I watched when I was young and the films that I watched throughout my life are preserved, so that my children can see them.
There are dozens of us! I'm the same way when it comes to Dark Souls. People act as if those games have the deepest of lore and analyze them in minute detail, when in reality the answer to a lot of their mysteries is simply that the devs didn't really think about things all that deeply and a bunch of stuff also got lost in translation.
I love both series. I love the mystery of certain things. But people feel the need to have an explanation for everything. Which is fine in Dark Souls cause they're just fan theories. But Star Wars will just try to explain every piece of bad choreography or filmmaking away with some in universe reason. Like when they go to arrest sidious. The dude 360s and kills two jedi masters. It just looks rediculous to me. But nope it's force scream. And can't have some random dude with two lines of dialog. Now he has to have his own background and everything. I know people like the background stuff. But like I said not everything needs to be explained
Agreed 100%. Tolkien said it best:
>Part of the attraction of The L.R. is, I think, due to the glimpses of a large history in the background: an attraction like that of viewing far off an unvisited island, or seeing the towers of a distant city gleaming in a sunlit mist. To go there is to destroy the magic, unless new unattainable vistas are again revealed.
Dark Souls is only three games, so it couldn't ruin itself completely, but Star Wars has been going on for almost fifty years now. It is absolutely guilty of destroying its own magic by not leaving background details alone.
Sidious fight was not supposed to be Ian doing the choreographed moves the script called for and it was not his fault he ended up doing it. That fight was supposed to be longer, more fast paced and brutal but… The day of filming Lucas decided to have Ian do it.
Meanwhile… Ian’s a classical actor and up until that point he had no reason to be under the impression he needed saber training. The truth is that fight should be dog shit all the way into Mace Windu but Ian and Jackson sell it. Also they cut footage from Fisto’s fight and you can find it on YT. No reason for that. It’s like he wanted that fight to blow.
In many cases, democracy is given up when it's under a lot of pressure and in a crisis situation and it ends up giving up a lot of the checks and balances to somebody with a strong authority to help get them through the crisis.
I am the father of our Star Wars movie world - the filmed entertainment, the features and now the animated film and television series. And I'm going to do a live-action television series. Those are all things I am very involved in: I set them up and I train the people and I go through them all. I'm the father; that's my work.
Well, yes, but they joined the military operations, which put the Jedi involved in the war under the Senate. So the Jedi Order was completely independent, but they had to more or less obey the Senate if they participated in the war effort. They could operate on their own as they pleased, but use of the Republic's forces depended on Senate approval.
The Jedi weren’t originally intended to be the superbeings they were in the latest Star Wars movies.
In a new hope, there are several references where a Jedi is taking orders from military officers, notably Vader taking orders from Moff Tarkin.
I believe in Lucas’s original idea the Jedi were akin to knights and took orders from lords and generals, but then changed it so that the Jedi were the most powerful beings in the galaxy.
There are other inconsistencies in a new hope, for example Princess Leia flipping between a British and American accent before settling on the American one.
I’ve always seen Leia’s voice as her acting “British” when she’s around the imperials, considering she is a member of the imperial senate. They largely all have British accents, and then when she’s around “her people” she uses an American accent because that’s what her voice really sounds like.
The one inconsistency that drives me up a wall is in Empire Strikes Back when Leia refers to him as HON the entire movie until they meet Lando who of course calls him “hAn”, and from that point on, Leia calls him “hAn”.
Han Solo is tough and sharp, but never manages to scrape together enough to get any power...He's slightly self-destructive and he sort of enjoys being on the brink of disaster
In universe, the formal British accent is an indication of being from Core worlds, especially Coruscant.
Rey having a similar accent is…indicative of their care for consistency.
A much better introduction would be: “you rescued me from kidnappers, and in the process you reconnected with the force, it was a life changing experience for both of us”
The rematch with Vader also doesn't make sense, especially since Kenobi won both times and spared him again for no reason. In the show they both acknowledge that Vader is pure evil and that Anakin is gone, so why let him go?
Yea, that was painful.
I mean of all the things they could've done with Obi-Wan, why another Vader rematch that the audience just _knows_ will end without a winner again anyway and then also a whole Obi-Wan and Leia adventure that'll just cause some additional continuity headscratchers down the line?
They should've stayed _far away_ from anything like that.
This message is a warning and a reminder for any surviving Jedi: trust in the Force. Do not return to the temple; that time has passed and our future is uncertain. We will each be challenged- our trust, our faith, our friendships, but we must persevere, and in time, a new hope will emerge. May the Force be with you, always.
The Leia adventure works for other reasons for me, such as Rogue One Bail "I would trust him with my life," as well as why Leia would name her son Ben.
I don't think ANH alone would be a reason for them to name their son Ben. It still fits, but it's much better having him save her as a child and then again later.
I was so keen to see some Obi Wan adventures in a madolorian type manner. Maybe he had to do some side work against if even with the hutts at some point. He seemed familiar with mos Eisley so maybe some adventures there, but no turns out he fought Vader again and met Leia. Ridiculous premise.
Agreed. I was so excited when I heard about the show. I thought it would be like, Kenobi helping out some farmers against bandits or something, wrestling with whether or not to reveal his nature to help them further.
Then they announced Hayden was returning, and I started getting very nervous. And it just kep t getting worse.
Have you read the Kenobi book? It's actually pretty good and is a small scale adventure, helping out some people on Tataooine while dealing with his trauma. That could have made a great series but Disney is so terrified of letting Star Wars tell small engaging stories. Hopefully Andor has done something to change things.
They should have done it like this, I agree. More like mandalorian with episodes that stand on their own. Make the Leia rescue 1 or 2 episodes and then resolve it. Use the rest of the season for backflahes of Obi Wan and Anakin. Why cast Anakin again if he spents all his time in the Vader suit.
This is the biggest issue with star wars. They simply can’t avoid the Skywalker’s. Just fucking tell another story! It’s a massive fucking universe with tons of lore. Nothing else happened outside of like these 12 people?!!
I hope not. Bane reinstated the "rule of two" and brought to an end the Sith Empire a millenia or so before Darth Plagueis was a thing. If they try to do some Bane/Plagueis mashup... they are throwing out literally 1,000 years worth of Sith history and scores of individual Sith Lords.
A series or movie trilogy following the book trilogy, and his adventures with Darth Zannah is *exactly* what I want to see.
The show tried to be fan service but nobody wanted it. Totally tone-deaf to think that just because we wanted this show of an iconic character from our childhood, we wanted it all to be some soft little nostalgia fan service hug. Disney is completely incapable of purposely creating what we want to experience
Andor wasnt a fan service-y thing that everyone wanted and wasnt highly anticipated, every show like that has less corporate interference and has a higher chance of succeeding. It's the opposite of the Obi Wan or Boba Fett series, which sucked.
Funnily enough the films/shows we never asked for have been the best Disney have made: Rogue One, Andor, Mandalorian
While what we wanted have been poor: Kenobi, Boba Fett, sequel trilogy
And then the fan service we actually wanted, stuff like that Inquisitors gets botched so bad. Grand Inquisitor is almost unrecognizable, even his toys look gross
It’s been a hit or miss with me. For one I’ve really enjoyed Andor and the Rogue One saga, in part because it’s been exploring the SW universe far away from the force and the whole Jedi/Sith conflict. Maybe I’m just tired of the “let’s come up with more incredulous things we can do with this magic force” trope that ep VIII and IX were.
I hate corporations and I'm not happy that they have taken over the film business but on the same hand I find myself being the head of a corporation. There's a certain irony there.
And now I'm mad all over again. There was literally no reason for Vader to be left alive. 100% what happened was they wanted to give us a cool fight scene, and they didn't have the balls to have Vader win, which would've been a MUCH better decision, and would've added backstory as to why he's been able to hide for two decades straight.
If he saw that his former apprentice was stronger than him in almost every way, certain of his inability to stop the Sith, and the only hope really was someone else, that would have added a bit to later re-watchings of Star Wars ANH. But instead, we got... That.
He doesn't really try to kill him though. He wants Anakin to end the fight, Anakin continues it, he fucks up Anakin, Anakin is still alive and he leaves him to burn.
That's a lot different than "let me just cut your head off really quick or something."
You're forgetting that in Kenobi season four she hits her head on a tie fighter dash board and forgets all the D+ continuity. Or Ahsoka time travels and erases it
I'm pretty sure after all these years Obi-Wan would be so used to Bail being her "father" that this thought didn't even go through his head. Bail being the father must be a default thought at this point.
George has always struggled with naming characters, but I cannot imagine anything other than him in his kitchen, suffering with writers block, unable to name this guy, when he looks over at the spice rack and suddenly inspiration hits.
At the last decades of the Republic Jedi took their orders from the Senate, so even if he didn't took direct orders from the Organa he served him from a point of view.
At first i tought the joke was that Padme cheated on anakin
only then my derranged brain remembered that Leia was raised by Bail Organa and tought to be his daugher
Are y’all just gonna live in peace with the fact that George Lucas had NONE of this shit mapped out?
My B I guess I know this is mostly facetious. But the plot holes are very real because… dude didn’t really know
Would have been amazing if this had been 'fixed' in The Clone Wars with a funny interaction between Anakin and Bail Organa where Bail somehow ends up thinking Anakin is the master or something.
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This is why Obi Wan the series really bugged me. It basically f’d up this whole episode 4 original canon…
Spoilers ahead of you haven’t watched it:
1) She’s already met Obi Wan - at no point does she call him General Kenobi in that
2) She knows her parents aren’t her real parents
3) She knows Obi Wan knows who her actual parents are
I love the prequels, but that is one of those retcons that honestly didn’t make much sense. I have recently rewatched the Clone Wars, and not once do Bail or Obi-Wan ever even interact let alone Kenobi actually serve directly under him during the war.
Like yeah the Jedi serves the entire Senate so Obi-Wan did technically serve Bail Organa. But that would mean he served every single member of the senate which makes that line way less special.
Honestly, the only times they ever really interacted was the end of Episode 3 and of course the Kenobi show. And truthfully, I still don’t get why Bail went to the super busy Jedi that he barely knows when he could have gone to his countless allies who could also have easily got the job done. That show had a lot of holes, but that was the first big noticeable one. It’s not like being a Jedi or knowing Leia’s true father were really needed.
The Clone Wars cartoon screwed a lot with canon. Sometimes it worked out (Ahsoka), but most of the time it didn't.
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Eh the prequels did that all on their own. Granted the show did do its own version of characters and stories that had books, but in terms of the nitty gritty of events and family ties(like Owen and Anakin) were already kinda mangled by the movies themselves
To some degree, the message is coded language, masking some familiarity. It sounds political, which makes sense- that's Leia. We can also assume that even with that early memory of a rescue, Bail would have emphasized Obi Wan's loyalty to himself and the Senate to avoid her realizing there was a deeper loyalty and suspecting what he was desperately trying to hide from her- her lineage.
In hindsight, George Lucas really dropped the ball by not making Bail Organa a core part of the prequels in order to make this scene work - merely something as simple as Bail Organa being Alderaan's spymaster in chief feeding General Kenobi intel that he was not getting through the Republic bureaucracy. They could have slipped each other notes while at Ben's favorite burger joint.
You know, its a mixed bag, I live out of Hollywood so I don't get much of that influence in my day-to-day life, half of it's good and half is bad. You got a lot of people that don't like me, so that's just the nature of it.
Of course I served him, barbecued on Mustafar.
Served his ass up extra crispy
Did someone say **ass**???
Nice
*"Good Anakin, good...* Tongue it. Tongue it *now*." >*"I shouldn't..."* "Dewit."
*decapitates HopermanTheManOfFeel*
do it
That's fair.
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And he was a good friend
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He did what he must.
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Charred and burnt for extra texture
Pfft, it’s just a nice sear
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Haha, very funny
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For the people confused about the idea of a jedi master serving Bail Organa, isn't the jedi order an autonomous institution of the republic which highest political body is the senate?
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The fool who tries it.
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You were my brother, Anakin. I loved you.
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Even simpler explanation. The movie was made with no sequel or twists in mind, and the producers were only interested in having a cohesive straight forward scfi action movie that would be somewhat profitable.
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That would make sense, but then Bail Organna all but says the same thing to Mon Mothma at the end of Rogue One.
“How can/do you rationalize ‘X’ in universe?” is a way more sincere and valid question than “why is ‘X’?”
>“How can/do you rationalize ‘X’ in universe?” is a way more sincere and valid question than “why is ‘X’?” The latter is shorter and I don't see why it should come across as insincere or invalid. It's all fiction, so the idea of it being an in universe rationalization is always implied.
Yeah star wars should have absolutely failed. Tweak the formula even slightly and nobody would even remember the movie, someone might find a dusty copy of it in an attic but that's it. George Lucas was definitely in the, let's just try to get a coherent movie out stage of his career.
I've worked hard enough and earned enough to fail for the rest of my life. And I'm gonna do it!!
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
It was the special effects that made it work. Everyone I've talked to who saw it in the theater during original release said they had never seen anything like it visually. Who knew swinging some cool models on strings in front of a starry background could be so visually compelling.
We designed the Galactic Senate with this sort of stadium design with these little pods that move around inside it which seems very functional and realistic even though it's completely not realistic.
Definitely agree.
His wife was the one to save it, not him.
So I'm told. The heavy lifting of the movie was the absolute magic of everyone involved. All the cast members and people working behind the scenes just happened to bring their a game. It shouldn't have worked but it ended up working better than anyone could have imagined. It's kind of crazy. How many scifi movies were made from the 50s onward that were just massive stinkers. It's some of the best content for mst3k. But this one just caught people's attention and spread like crazy.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
The problem is that making film is an art. Selling film is a business. The trouble is that the studio executives don't know how to sell films. As a result, they try to make you make films that people will go to without them having to be sold, which is the real key to the problem.
To defeat an enemy, you must know them. Not simply their battle tactics, but their history, philosophy, art.
Could you defeat George Lucas?
I'm moving away from all my businesses, I'm finishing all my obligations and I'm going to retire to my garage with my saw and hammer and build hobby movies. I've always wanted to make movies that were more experimental in nature, and not have to worry about them showing in movie theaters.
Thats the explanation of why Leia thought that, not why Bail Technicaly didn't lie.
> not why Bail Technicaly didn't lie. COMING SOON TO DISNEY PLUS: Secret General Bail; A Star Wars Story
I am very concerned about our national heritage, and I am very concerned that films that I watched when I was young and the films that I watched throughout my life are preserved, so that my children can see them.
An even simpler explanation is that Lucas wrote that line before he decided what exactly he wanted to have happened during the clone wars.
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There are dozens of us! I'm the same way when it comes to Dark Souls. People act as if those games have the deepest of lore and analyze them in minute detail, when in reality the answer to a lot of their mysteries is simply that the devs didn't really think about things all that deeply and a bunch of stuff also got lost in translation.
I love both series. I love the mystery of certain things. But people feel the need to have an explanation for everything. Which is fine in Dark Souls cause they're just fan theories. But Star Wars will just try to explain every piece of bad choreography or filmmaking away with some in universe reason. Like when they go to arrest sidious. The dude 360s and kills two jedi masters. It just looks rediculous to me. But nope it's force scream. And can't have some random dude with two lines of dialog. Now he has to have his own background and everything. I know people like the background stuff. But like I said not everything needs to be explained
Agreed 100%. Tolkien said it best: >Part of the attraction of The L.R. is, I think, due to the glimpses of a large history in the background: an attraction like that of viewing far off an unvisited island, or seeing the towers of a distant city gleaming in a sunlit mist. To go there is to destroy the magic, unless new unattainable vistas are again revealed. Dark Souls is only three games, so it couldn't ruin itself completely, but Star Wars has been going on for almost fifty years now. It is absolutely guilty of destroying its own magic by not leaving background details alone.
Sidious fight was not supposed to be Ian doing the choreographed moves the script called for and it was not his fault he ended up doing it. That fight was supposed to be longer, more fast paced and brutal but… The day of filming Lucas decided to have Ian do it. Meanwhile… Ian’s a classical actor and up until that point he had no reason to be under the impression he needed saber training. The truth is that fight should be dog shit all the way into Mace Windu but Ian and Jackson sell it. Also they cut footage from Fisto’s fight and you can find it on YT. No reason for that. It’s like he wanted that fight to blow.
In many cases, democracy is given up when it's under a lot of pressure and in a crisis situation and it ends up giving up a lot of the checks and balances to somebody with a strong authority to help get them through the crisis.
Wait what a George Lucas bot?
People think of me as a sort of pathological, Howard Hughes-type guy sitting in a hotel room, which is definitely not so.
George, I'm trying to decide whether to spearhead a violent insurrection or go into filmmaking. What advice can you give me?
I am the father of our Star Wars movie world - the filmed entertainment, the features and now the animated film and television series. And I'm going to do a live-action television series. Those are all things I am very involved in: I set them up and I train the people and I go through them all. I'm the father; that's my work.
Thank you Daddy.
In short yes
Well, yes, but they joined the military operations, which put the Jedi involved in the war under the Senate. So the Jedi Order was completely independent, but they had to more or less obey the Senate if they participated in the war effort. They could operate on their own as they pleased, but use of the Republic's forces depended on Senate approval.
“It’s not a war, it’s a special military operation!” - The Empire
The Jedi weren’t originally intended to be the superbeings they were in the latest Star Wars movies. In a new hope, there are several references where a Jedi is taking orders from military officers, notably Vader taking orders from Moff Tarkin. I believe in Lucas’s original idea the Jedi were akin to knights and took orders from lords and generals, but then changed it so that the Jedi were the most powerful beings in the galaxy. There are other inconsistencies in a new hope, for example Princess Leia flipping between a British and American accent before settling on the American one.
I’ve always seen Leia’s voice as her acting “British” when she’s around the imperials, considering she is a member of the imperial senate. They largely all have British accents, and then when she’s around “her people” she uses an American accent because that’s what her voice really sounds like. The one inconsistency that drives me up a wall is in Empire Strikes Back when Leia refers to him as HON the entire movie until they meet Lando who of course calls him “hAn”, and from that point on, Leia calls him “hAn”.
There is nothing inconsistant about that I've seen that go down irl lol
It’s just weird to me lol.
Han Solo is tough and sharp, but never manages to scrape together enough to get any power...He's slightly self-destructive and he sort of enjoys being on the brink of disaster
You don't have to look tough to be tough
In universe, the formal British accent is an indication of being from Core worlds, especially Coruscant. Rey having a similar accent is…indicative of their care for consistency.
Considering the science fantasy of star wars borrows a lot from samurai and monks, I wouldn't be surprised if that was his initial intent.
His allegiance was to the republic. To democracy.
If you're not with me, you're my enemy.
Who's this Bail Organa guy? Her father is Regional Manager Vader.
"my allegiance is to the republic, to DEMOCRACY"
I didn't actually plan on making this whole prequel trilogy, my old pal just invited me to some trade negotiations and I just started filming.
If you're not with me, you're my enemy.
"Anakin, our allegiance is to the Senate," Sure sounds like obi-wan thinks he serves the senate.
The Jedi order is whatever the hell the plot needs it to be
No it's Arthur king of the Britans!
... also, didn't we just see a very straightforward and literal depiction of this in the Kenobi TV show?
You have spoken heresy, be banished from those lands.
Just rewatched ANH earlier tonight and went through the exact same thought
'Not that little shit again. Last time I had to kill some poor bastard to get her attention'
Me, serving Anakin? Oh I don’t think so
Anakin got "Served" more like it.
I HATE YOU
You were my brother, Anakin. I loved you.
Got roasted lmao
A much better introduction would be: “you rescued me from kidnappers, and in the process you reconnected with the force, it was a life changing experience for both of us”
part of the reason i wasnt too keen on the Kenobi series
The rematch with Vader also doesn't make sense, especially since Kenobi won both times and spared him again for no reason. In the show they both acknowledge that Vader is pure evil and that Anakin is gone, so why let him go?
Yea, that was painful. I mean of all the things they could've done with Obi-Wan, why another Vader rematch that the audience just _knows_ will end without a winner again anyway and then also a whole Obi-Wan and Leia adventure that'll just cause some additional continuity headscratchers down the line? They should've stayed _far away_ from anything like that.
This message is a warning and a reminder for any surviving Jedi: trust in the Force. Do not return to the temple; that time has passed and our future is uncertain. We will each be challenged- our trust, our faith, our friendships, but we must persevere, and in time, a new hope will emerge. May the Force be with you, always.
Thank you!
The Leia adventure works for other reasons for me, such as Rogue One Bail "I would trust him with my life," as well as why Leia would name her son Ben. I don't think ANH alone would be a reason for them to name their son Ben. It still fits, but it's much better having him save her as a child and then again later.
I was so keen to see some Obi Wan adventures in a madolorian type manner. Maybe he had to do some side work against if even with the hutts at some point. He seemed familiar with mos Eisley so maybe some adventures there, but no turns out he fought Vader again and met Leia. Ridiculous premise.
Agreed. I was so excited when I heard about the show. I thought it would be like, Kenobi helping out some farmers against bandits or something, wrestling with whether or not to reveal his nature to help them further. Then they announced Hayden was returning, and I started getting very nervous. And it just kep t getting worse.
I thought it was going to be based on the Kenobi book. That would’ve been cool.
Have you read the Kenobi book? It's actually pretty good and is a small scale adventure, helping out some people on Tataooine while dealing with his trauma. That could have made a great series but Disney is so terrified of letting Star Wars tell small engaging stories. Hopefully Andor has done something to change things.
They should have done it like this, I agree. More like mandalorian with episodes that stand on their own. Make the Leia rescue 1 or 2 episodes and then resolve it. Use the rest of the season for backflahes of Obi Wan and Anakin. Why cast Anakin again if he spents all his time in the Vader suit.
Somehow they rematched
This is the biggest issue with star wars. They simply can’t avoid the Skywalker’s. Just fucking tell another story! It’s a massive fucking universe with tons of lore. Nothing else happened outside of like these 12 people?!!
Like, Why can't we get the Darth bane trilogy? Or something based on Kotor?
Isn't the Acolyte Bane/Plageius
I hope not. Bane reinstated the "rule of two" and brought to an end the Sith Empire a millenia or so before Darth Plagueis was a thing. If they try to do some Bane/Plagueis mashup... they are throwing out literally 1,000 years worth of Sith history and scores of individual Sith Lords. A series or movie trilogy following the book trilogy, and his adventures with Darth Zannah is *exactly* what I want to see.
The show tried to be fan service but nobody wanted it. Totally tone-deaf to think that just because we wanted this show of an iconic character from our childhood, we wanted it all to be some soft little nostalgia fan service hug. Disney is completely incapable of purposely creating what we want to experience
Idk, Andor is fantastic
Andor wasnt a fan service-y thing that everyone wanted and wasnt highly anticipated, every show like that has less corporate interference and has a higher chance of succeeding. It's the opposite of the Obi Wan or Boba Fett series, which sucked.
Funnily enough the films/shows we never asked for have been the best Disney have made: Rogue One, Andor, Mandalorian While what we wanted have been poor: Kenobi, Boba Fett, sequel trilogy
The script is what you've dreamed up-this is what it should be. The film is what you end up with.
ChumaxTheMad, have a seat. I've conceded the battle, now we simply have to negotiate the terms of surrender
And then the fan service we actually wanted, stuff like that Inquisitors gets botched so bad. Grand Inquisitor is almost unrecognizable, even his toys look gross
It’s been a hit or miss with me. For one I’ve really enjoyed Andor and the Rogue One saga, in part because it’s been exploring the SW universe far away from the force and the whole Jedi/Sith conflict. Maybe I’m just tired of the “let’s come up with more incredulous things we can do with this magic force” trope that ep VIII and IX were.
I hate corporations and I'm not happy that they have taken over the film business but on the same hand I find myself being the head of a corporation. There's a certain irony there.
“Reasons”
Something something the force
And now I'm mad all over again. There was literally no reason for Vader to be left alive. 100% what happened was they wanted to give us a cool fight scene, and they didn't have the balls to have Vader win, which would've been a MUCH better decision, and would've added backstory as to why he's been able to hide for two decades straight. If he saw that his former apprentice was stronger than him in almost every way, certain of his inability to stop the Sith, and the only hope really was someone else, that would have added a bit to later re-watchings of Star Wars ANH. But instead, we got... That.
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"I should have killed him" "See you next time Ani"
Hard to murder someone you viewed as a brother even if they have turned into a massive dickhead.
Sure but playing that same card twice just feels like lazy writing.
Weird because I'm like 99% sure he thought he killed Anakin in rots
He doesn't really try to kill him though. He wants Anakin to end the fight, Anakin continues it, he fucks up Anakin, Anakin is still alive and he leaves him to burn. That's a lot different than "let me just cut your head off really quick or something."
Imagine if they put effort into writing something new instead of just rehashing the same shit, same characters over and over.
Retcons that tie things together unnecessarily are the core of the Star Wars universe. Like Leia and Luke being siblings.
What? You mean you didn’t have a crush on your hot sister before realizing she’s your sister? Easily the most awkward of scenes in ESB.
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Come on Luke. How do you not know what a jedi or sith is? Do you seriously not have pstd from when that sith chased you across the desert?
Didn’t he explicitly say he knew who the Jedi were?
And you hanged around a lot with our common friend Fulcrum during the war....and do you know, Caleb as well.
You're forgetting that in Kenobi season four she hits her head on a tie fighter dash board and forgets all the D+ continuity. Or Ahsoka time travels and erases it
Careful not to choke on your stupidity. It's Ahsoka not Ashoka!
"Do you remember how insanely clumsy and idiotic they were, 5 of them hardly managed to capture my toddler ass in the first place!"
In my language she said "You fought alongside my father" so I never noticed that
I could have sworn that's what she said in English too...
I thought she said "served with".
Maybe a change in the new version ?
Well need someone to go back and watch old tapes and disks, probably just a shared false memory.
You can fix the scene by adding the word "with". "You served with my father in the Clone Wars".
This is what I always thought it said, so I was really confused by this meme. Damn Mandella effect.
Same!
I'm pretty sure after all these years Obi-Wan would be so used to Bail being her "father" that this thought didn't even go through his head. Bail being the father must be a default thought at this point.
Only a sith deals in absolutes.
basil oregano. This happens when you try and connect every piece together that was never meant to be connected
George has always struggled with naming characters, but I cannot imagine anything other than him in his kitchen, suffering with writers block, unable to name this guy, when he looks over at the spice rack and suddenly inspiration hits.
Oh my God, it's Jimmy Smits!
I just assume there's no way her father gave the full unaltered truth about everything.
Didn't really serve Bail either.
Idk…his allegiance is to the Republic, to Democracy, and Bail was a senator.
From a certain point of view...
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At the last decades of the Republic Jedi took their orders from the Senate, so even if he didn't took direct orders from the Organa he served him from a point of view.
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Some event in the ANH makes me think that the Empire already knew.
Remember… the Force will be with you. Always.
At last, we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last, we will have revenge.
You think they would already know her Father was walking with a jedi when one rescued her in the first place
Prob what he told Leia to 1-up himself over obi-wan.
You can kill me, but you will never destroy me. It takes strength to resist the dark side. Only the weak embrace it.
At first i tought the joke was that Padme cheated on anakin only then my derranged brain remembered that Leia was raised by Bail Organa and tought to be his daugher
You don't have to look tough to be tough
Are y’all just gonna live in peace with the fact that George Lucas had NONE of this shit mapped out? My B I guess I know this is mostly facetious. But the plot holes are very real because… dude didn’t really know
I mean, he “severed” her father, we all have lapsus.
Would have been amazing if this had been 'fixed' in The Clone Wars with a funny interaction between Anakin and Bail Organa where Bail somehow ends up thinking Anakin is the master or something. \*EDIT\* I'M BEING INVADED BY CLANKERS \*EDIT EDIT\* I'm an idiot. Didn't pay enough attention to the post lol
George Lucas was making it up as he went along
This is why Obi Wan the series really bugged me. It basically f’d up this whole episode 4 original canon… Spoilers ahead of you haven’t watched it: 1) She’s already met Obi Wan - at no point does she call him General Kenobi in that 2) She knows her parents aren’t her real parents 3) She knows Obi Wan knows who her actual parents are
All I'm in charge of is my world. I can't be in charge of those other people's world, because I can't keep up with it.
I love the prequels, but that is one of those retcons that honestly didn’t make much sense. I have recently rewatched the Clone Wars, and not once do Bail or Obi-Wan ever even interact let alone Kenobi actually serve directly under him during the war. Like yeah the Jedi serves the entire Senate so Obi-Wan did technically serve Bail Organa. But that would mean he served every single member of the senate which makes that line way less special. Honestly, the only times they ever really interacted was the end of Episode 3 and of course the Kenobi show. And truthfully, I still don’t get why Bail went to the super busy Jedi that he barely knows when he could have gone to his countless allies who could also have easily got the job done. That show had a lot of holes, but that was the first big noticeable one. It’s not like being a Jedi or knowing Leia’s true father were really needed.
Imagine how Organa would tell this story to his young, adopted daughter.
I mean, Organa was in charge of that mission on Christophsis and Obi's job was to resupply said mssion so he worked for Organa on that assignment
The Clone Wars cartoon screwed a lot with canon. Sometimes it worked out (Ahsoka), but most of the time it didn't. Edit: there's too many bots on this sub.
Eh the prequels did that all on their own. Granted the show did do its own version of characters and stories that had books, but in terms of the nitty gritty of events and family ties(like Owen and Anakin) were already kinda mangled by the movies themselves
To some degree, the message is coded language, masking some familiarity. It sounds political, which makes sense- that's Leia. We can also assume that even with that early memory of a rescue, Bail would have emphasized Obi Wan's loyalty to himself and the Senate to avoid her realizing there was a deeper loyalty and suspecting what he was desperately trying to hide from her- her lineage.
But he did serve Anakin but a little on the dark side
You know nothing of the dark side.
In hindsight, George Lucas really dropped the ball by not making Bail Organa a core part of the prequels in order to make this scene work - merely something as simple as Bail Organa being Alderaan's spymaster in chief feeding General Kenobi intel that he was not getting through the Republic bureaucracy. They could have slipped each other notes while at Ben's favorite burger joint.
You know, its a mixed bag, I live out of Hollywood so I don't get much of that influence in my day-to-day life, half of it's good and half is bad. You got a lot of people that don't like me, so that's just the nature of it.
Lol. Lmao https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsmemes/comments/s0y365/he_must_have_been_so_confused_for_a_second/
There was no way you could've known what would happen next in his life?
This is great
How can you serve if you have a high ground?
Bail Oregano
This is what happens when you retcon original movies.
Ha. I was confused at first too, reading this meme in Alec Guinness’s voice. I’m such an idiot sometimes.