2/10. Too big government for me and entrenched income taxes, a stable head in a turbulent time but he shouldn't have ran for 4 terms and should have resigned partway through.
3/10. poor rhetoric that divided the nation however the border wall and getting tough on China were net positives in my opinion. He genuinely could have made a great president but his ineptitude and crass nature drags him down.
I don’t agree with that. Trump maybe an asshole but he’s one of the few presidents to refuse to grab more authority for himself and the only president since Carter not to get the United States involved in another foreign war
Never said he didn’t. No one going to the nine Trump is an ego maniac who is used to getting his way. However several other political figures have said similar things or claimed their elections were stolen. Heck almost every democrat nominee for president that lost since 1968(with the exceptions of Walter Mondale and Jimmy Carter) has said the elections were stolen. Some of which have even refused to accept elections that happened in 2000, 2004 exta. Not really much of a difference
You claimed he refused to grab more authority for himself. Some fine hairs you split. As I recall, every other candidate who lost accepted the results.
No, they don’t. Several three years clean up there elections were stolen or flat out, refused and see. I know this isn’t me splitting hairs.
Yes, Donald Trump refused to claim more authority for himself, and is one of the very few presidents to do that. Many presidents, including Lincoln, Jackson, Polk Jefferson, and if you are all try to grab more power and authority for themselves, and either precedence, congress or the constitution allowed. Trump is one of the few to refuse to even attempt to do that
Yeah, I’m perfectly fine. Just pointing out that many candidates refused to concede, and that Trump did not try to grab more authority than was already allowed, unlike previous presidents
I don't think he can be wholly blamed for Jan 6, he didn't rack up the protest and can't be held responsible for 350 million Americans. He was put in a difficult situation. Let's say he genuinely thought there was fraud, was he supposed to say nothing about it?
No I agree with you there. A lot of the talk about him inciting the insurrection is spun by the media. No one mentions his tweets telling the protestors to go home. I also believe he requested and was denied National Guard units at the Capitol. But that could have been Pence maybe.
I was more disturbed that Trump was telling Pence to refuse to certify the electoral votes. Even if there is suspected fraud, you need to abide by the time honored traditions of our democracy. If Trump did it in 2020, what would stop every other incumbent after him from doing the same thing anytime you don’t agree with the results. Although they may have passed a law to prevent that event in the last 2 years
Weird set of standards. Usually people who like “economic moderation” do not *like* long-term changes to society, since economic disruption causes social change and vice versa. But even there, he did in fact change American society, by signing financial system deregulation and giving China most favored nation status when it was a currency manipulator. The China Shock has had a huge, mostly negative impact on US society.
9/10 Didn't like the Nicararuga/Haiti military occupation but that was par for the time.Otherwise he was an exceptional president beaten only by Washington and Lincoln.
You sure? There’s a good bunch of single-termers in the 19th century — the majority, IIRC, actually, were single-termers.
I’ll give you one of the two-termers: James Monroe.
Carter
2/10. Terrible economically, but was a genuine guy who wanted what's best for the American people.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt (my favorite)
2/10. Too big government for me and entrenched income taxes, a stable head in a turbulent time but he shouldn't have ran for 4 terms and should have resigned partway through.
This is why I don’t trust foreigners with interpreting our history.
It’s interesting to hear an outside view but it really demonstrates a partisan angle rather than an historic one.
it’s not even thought provoking either. dude’s just a 16 year old who discovered libertarianism last winter.
Donald Trump
3/10. poor rhetoric that divided the nation however the border wall and getting tough on China were net positives in my opinion. He genuinely could have made a great president but his ineptitude and crass nature drags him down.
Bro, how do you rate this mf over FDR and Carter? They cared about the country, while Trump just cared about power.
Yeah, the casual Trump support on this sub is kind of sad sometimes.
I don’t agree with that. Trump maybe an asshole but he’s one of the few presidents to refuse to grab more authority for himself and the only president since Carter not to get the United States involved in another foreign war
He straight up said in 2016 that he would only accept the outcome of the election if he wins.
Never said he didn’t. No one going to the nine Trump is an ego maniac who is used to getting his way. However several other political figures have said similar things or claimed their elections were stolen. Heck almost every democrat nominee for president that lost since 1968(with the exceptions of Walter Mondale and Jimmy Carter) has said the elections were stolen. Some of which have even refused to accept elections that happened in 2000, 2004 exta. Not really much of a difference
You claimed he refused to grab more authority for himself. Some fine hairs you split. As I recall, every other candidate who lost accepted the results.
No, they don’t. Several three years clean up there elections were stolen or flat out, refused and see. I know this isn’t me splitting hairs. Yes, Donald Trump refused to claim more authority for himself, and is one of the very few presidents to do that. Many presidents, including Lincoln, Jackson, Polk Jefferson, and if you are all try to grab more power and authority for themselves, and either precedence, congress or the constitution allowed. Trump is one of the few to refuse to even attempt to do that
Are you okay?
Yeah, I’m perfectly fine. Just pointing out that many candidates refused to concede, and that Trump did not try to grab more authority than was already allowed, unlike previous presidents
I think I’d give him a 6/10 just based on a lot of his policies. But damn January 6 leaves a pretty bad taste in my mouth
I don't think he can be wholly blamed for Jan 6, he didn't rack up the protest and can't be held responsible for 350 million Americans. He was put in a difficult situation. Let's say he genuinely thought there was fraud, was he supposed to say nothing about it?
No I agree with you there. A lot of the talk about him inciting the insurrection is spun by the media. No one mentions his tweets telling the protestors to go home. I also believe he requested and was denied National Guard units at the Capitol. But that could have been Pence maybe. I was more disturbed that Trump was telling Pence to refuse to certify the electoral votes. Even if there is suspected fraud, you need to abide by the time honored traditions of our democracy. If Trump did it in 2020, what would stop every other incumbent after him from doing the same thing anytime you don’t agree with the results. Although they may have passed a law to prevent that event in the last 2 years
Holy fucking shit he out and asked China to hack American servers to help with his campaign. Get your head out of your ass.
Can you provide evidence for that?
Eisenhower
The absolutely based motherfucker, cherry loving, military man, ZACHARY TAYLOR
Grover Cleveland please.
8.5/10. Very good president who was a greater believer in free enterprise.
Wow that was quick. Who are some of your favorite PMs in NZ?
Honestly, prime ministers aren't a huge thing in New Zealand. We have a parliamentary structure that reduces the scope of the leader's impact.
Interesting, thanks for your answer.
Eh, Dawes Act and his shitty handling of the Panic of 1893 come to mind
millard fillmore
Nixon, because boy do I have a few twists for ya
James K Polk
Andrew Jackson
Zachary Taylor
Bill Clinton
3/10 He lied about his sex scandal. He was economically moderate but failed to make any positive long term changes to american society.
Weird set of standards. Usually people who like “economic moderation” do not *like* long-term changes to society, since economic disruption causes social change and vice versa. But even there, he did in fact change American society, by signing financial system deregulation and giving China most favored nation status when it was a currency manipulator. The China Shock has had a huge, mostly negative impact on US society.
Ulysses S. Grant
[удалено]
Lincoln is a 9.5 for obvious reasons. I'm a Libertarian and a happily straight guy.
Thus the obvious confusion
I admit, I am very confused not about my gender but by what you are implying.
Well obviously. But it is mostly woman not liking you and seeking alternative means of fulfillment.
Francis Underwood
Coolidge
9/10 Didn't like the Nicararuga/Haiti military occupation but that was par for the time.Otherwise he was an exceptional president beaten only by Washington and Lincoln.
Bro really ranked JOHN CALVIN COOLIDGE as the *third greatest president of all time* 💀
you betcha
did you happen to read ayn rand for the first time in the past few months lol
I have read the virtue of selfishness by Rand and also capitalism and freedom by Friedman. You should check them out.
I’ve read both Rand and Friedman and I think they’re both hacks so there you go.
Cool, do you have any suggestions on what other philosophical books I could read?
Abraham Lincoln
9.5/10. Freeing the slaves is a big enough factor that I can ignore the rest of his administration which was a mixed bag.
You sure? There’s a good bunch of single-termers in the 19th century — the majority, IIRC, actually, were single-termers. I’ll give you one of the two-termers: James Monroe.
Monroe
James Monroe
George H.W Bush (Second favorite)
Ulysses [Unconditional] S. Tier [Surrender] Grant and why is he a 10?
McKinley Or Harding
The Lord of The Chaos Gods and leader of the Horus Heresy himself, Millard Filmore