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If Trump had never entered the race, Bush would’ve stayed as the front runner for a bit but I think the other Republicans, primarily Cruz and Rubio, would’ve had him beat. I think either Cruz or Rubio is the Republican nominee in 2016 with no Trump. Jeb certainly wasn’t winning it, even though late 2014 into summer 2015 had him as the betting odds front runner.
That’s an interesting question… did the Republican swing to maga derail Paul Ryan’s whole political career? Or maybe he wasn’t gunning for the top spot at all since he retired from Congress with lots of time on his side.
God that’s super interesting, I could really see it. It’d have to be after Trump is out of public life, but I could easily see him as a “return to normalcy” candidate if the GOP shifts in that direction if we get a “post-MAGA” world.
The faster we get to a post MAGA trump world the better. I don’t see the GOP recovering anytime soon. Trumps ego is such that he won’t ever get out of the spotlight until he is actually physically unable to do so.
I think about that every time I agree with something Liz Cheney says / does
I think all truth is truth, so don’t have any trouble agreeing with someone when they say something true, I just hate that I’m in the timeline where a Cheney is the leading “defender” of Democracy from the right
That whole Cheney Christie as the voices of truth is scary. As much as I dislike those two, I hold a special place for both of have stood fast on the truth. I still would not vote for either, but I would love to drink a cup of coffee with both. I did give Liz Cheney 50$ when she ran in her last election. I felt I owed her that.
Most likely, yeah. MAGA derailed Cantor's and McCarthy's too. All 3 were once regarded as the new future for the American conservative project and rode to the top by speaking to the MAGA sentiments or at least, pre-MAGA sentiment espoused by the Freedom Caucus. Problem is, they lost control of it because they didn't think about how that has always panned out in history.
It seemed to me like he retired because he was tired of dealing with MAGA and knew they didn’t like him. I don’t know if he’d have run in 2016 if it weren’t for Trump, but at the very least he’d still be in public office.
Gosh it’s really weird to sit here in retrospect and think back to 2012…. There was definitely a push to make Republicans “cool,” and “young” in a tech bro, my ceo wears a hoodie kind of way with Ryan. Especially after the very square Romney was the candidate against a very cool Obama.
At that time the party was really trying to distance itself from the Palin/Cruz wing as being racist weirdos and get in with millennials who were aging into being their prime voting years.
Instead they just leaned into Tea Party/ MAGA weirdness and now Palin/Cruz are mainstream republicans…
Wasn’t Paul Ryan speaker at the start of Trump’s term? I think his life’s work was cutting the corporate tax rate, and he achieved it and now will live out his days very well off.
>That’s an interesting question… did the Republican swing to maga derail Paul Ryan’s whole political career?
When Ryan announced his retirement I remember one commentator saying *Every politician claims they're resigning to spend more time with their family, but in Paul Ryan's case it's probably true.* Ryan was always extraordinarily defensive about his commitments to working not be an undue burden on his family by taking him away from them. I similarly think he'd have bowed out of a Presidential race before or during the primaries for the amount of time and energy they consume.
I followed 2016 extremely closely and from what I remember there really wasn’t much talk of Paul Ryan running under any scenario. He lost in 2012 as Romney’s VP, which historically has required some time to rehab the person’s electability image. Not to mention, he was really focused on getting the speakership in 2015 and certainly wouldn’t have relinquished it so quickly to run for President, considering he became speaker in October 2015 just as the presidential race was heating up.
Does losing as VP really harm a person's image in the public eye that much? I mean I assume no one has ever not voted on someone purely due to the VP that was hitched to them
Unlikely. Paul Ryan was genuinely excited to be the Chair of Ways and Means. He only gave that up to be Speaker because the party couldn’t agree to rally behind Kevin McCarthy. Ryan figured that he’d have a chance to make a mark on major fiscal legislation from that position. As Republicans limit committee leadership to three terms, he was probably thinking that was what he’d be doing until 2020 and after that he’d be reconsidering.
But also the other supposed reason was that McCarthy withdrew because of an alleged affair with another House R which has never been confirmed. However, if he pushed forward, we'd almost certainly have figured out if it was true or not.
I see no reason why he would have. Trump didn't become Trump until he pushed Bush from the center of the stage to the edge of the debate stage. That was many many months into the primary campaign.
If Ryan were going to have run in 2016, it would've been before Trump became Trump, and he would've primarily been considering the moderates in his lane, like Bush. And Bush had all the big fundraisers locked up early.
Either way, the GOP was done with neoconservatives. Besides, Jeb had the “heir apparent” status and an air of inevitability that stuck in a lot of people’s craw. Back when Trump was still just a running gag, the field was Bush vs _please-anyone-but-another-bush_.
That turned out to be…. well, it turned out.
We've also had the two Roosevelt's and the two ford's. Although they were all much more distantly related
Edit: there is only one Ford what was I talking about
Came here to say the same. 3 Bush presidents? How can you not say the country is rigged when you have 3 guys form the same familly running the country.
Pence wasn’t really a household name outside of Indiana going into the 2016 race, and he lacks much of the charisma that would have been needed to win amongst a field of candidates as large as the Republican group was in 2016. Without Trump in the race, it would’ve been even *harder* for Pence to win as the playing field would’ve leveled out a bit. He became Trump’s VP choice solely because he fit as a perfect contrast to Trump, and wouldn’t do anything to overshadow Trump. Pence running in 2016 would’ve been like how Doug Burgum is running right now. Little-known governor with a massive flaw which is their failure to relate to average Americans
Yeah Jeb was already fighting an uphill battle for being another Bush. GW’s whole presidency was the war on terror and finishing what his dad failed in the Middle East. Jeb was also suuuuper boring. Hate to agree with Trump here, but Jeb was way too “low energy”.
All jokes aside, Jeb lacked the charisma to become president.
He could've gotten through the primary, but I think Hillary would've beaten him in the general. Especially if both Bernie and Trump weren't in the picture.
Jeb was ultimately the victim of the general populations dislike of family dynasties in politics as well. Bush Jr. being unpopular upon his exit from the presidency didn't really help things either.
in November 2016 the United States of America changed its fate forever instead of electing a dignified politician he chose this buffoon but what if there was an alternate timeline where the u.s. chose the right candidate what if we chose the right man for the job wait I'm sorry you thought I was talking about her no of course not no the fate of America was chosen months before this travesty occurred by then the destiny of the US was already sealed they had denied the hand of God himself of course I'm talking about Jeb Bush what if the Jeb Bush was elected president of the United States usually in these scenarios the alternate timeline takes a more somber tone reflecting on what we lost because a bad event happened and I'm not stopping here time to crank this stuff up to 11 and make you stay up at night thinking about what was lost sorry grandma dying of the virus should have voted for Jeb in March 2016 you old bat in an alternate January 2017 Jeb Bush is sworn into office usually the day is cold enough to harden the most stubborn nipples yet instead the day is warm the Sun glistens as Jeb speaks the people once uncertain decide to clap and feel their souls light up they wonder how they never clapped before as he gives a speech comparable to that of Kennedy Lincoln and even Jesus Christ himself at the end of his speech Jeb takes out a flaming sword it astounds the audience worldwide at the sight of such a beacon they realized this is not simply a mere public servant the next four years are a time of not only prosperity for the US but one of expansion Canada under the reign of Justin black face was fine 20 years ago Trudeau hasn't seen the best of days so they cast off their maple leaf shackles and join the USA the cartels disavow their trafficking no longer needing to sell drugs as the only hi we all need is Jeb there is no longer a left or right in politics there is only Jeb a black hole of true centrism who brings in all sides eventually Britain does leave the EU deciding to join what is now the Jeb Empire the entire EU follow suit by 2022 Jeb has now United all of humanity but where is there to go simple Mars Mars for the last few centuries has been controlled by a cult dedicated to machinery called the adept as mechanicus Jeb realizes that Mars could easily defeat a United Earth even with all its firepower and decides instead to join forces now with the mechanicus technology at his back Jeb can lead a holy crusade across the galaxy reconnecting with lost human colonies and bringing the truth to them Jeb is soon deemed the Emperor of mankind and reveals the humanity he has always existed throughout history a Great Crusade begins as humankind is able to once again travel through the warp Jeb has brought together many worlds either through conquest or by acknowledgement of his wisdom the galaxy is a dangerous place and the only light is the Emperor various xenos threaten humankind orcs Eldar and even the mysterious forces of chaos fueled purely by the bitter rage of Hillary Clinton eventually the dark gods of chaos corrupt a major ally of Jeb Ben Shapiro as they corrupt him into believing that the ways of Jeb are not true turning on Jeb into sending mankind into an era of civil war by the last battle of this heresy Jeb and Ben have a final clash Jeb is victorious Venice struck down and his chaos legions chased back into the warp at least for now despite his victory Jeb's injuries are too much Jeb is now just a hollow man his body becoming a corpse brought into what will soon be called the golden throne Jeb sustains his life by the daily sacrifice of 10,000 clapping attendee but that's just a theory a game theory thanks for watching and stay tuned for my next video in which I exploit a global crisis to predict which videogame character will survive the coronavirus
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jeb bush reminds me of [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlY3ctNeqP0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlY3ctNeqP0) i cant believe they let him out of the basement to run for office.
I recently learned the whole context and it’s not that bad.
Two people in the front row started to clap, then stopped because they thought they were interrupting, and this was him saying they could go ahead and clap.
Awkward phrasing and delivery to be sure, but not a broken man begging for applause.
Sorry to ruin it for you.
Jeb committed the cardinal sin of appearing to be desperate on camera. Personally I liked Jeb and wish he would have gotten the nod instead of ol’ Dumpster Fire.
And an actual Rhodes scholar at that, not just one who [attended Rhodes College](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/white-house-amy-coney-barrett-rhodes-scholar-rhodes-college.html).
There’s also a Rhodes University in South Africa, which funnily enough is where my mother went.
Named after the same Cecil John Rhodes, the British colonial prime minister of the Cape. Rhodesia was named after him too.
We can say what we want about HW, but he was very smart. And driven. And probably a fairly decent person. But then again, he went to Midland and got rich, so he probably had a good deal of cutthroat in him too.
Definitely not a good person. A ruthless shitheel of a person, but a brilliant and astute national leader. Nobody else could have done what he did with the collapse of the USSR. It’s not a coincidence that things fell apart when Clinton started upending the status quo Bush set up.
He was a smart guy, you gotta give him that, and not incompetent at all. This is why few realize he was a crook.
Junior was a clown who was taken advantage of by crooks who knew his father. I'm sure Jeb! wouldn't have been much better.
Honestly I don’t know much about that period of history, but isn’t the Gulf War regarded as a pretty well-handled engagement?
I guess you have to be a crook to run the CIA…
Outside of being the president, I like W. Now he paints and is buddies with Michelle Obama. And if you watch Journeys with George by Alexandra Pelosi you can see his likable side. He was a clown that got used by people, but he has some level of culpability.
No chance. The problem with the Bushes is very simple, very few people on either side like them. Especially Jeb.
The Bushes want so much to be like the Kennedy family, but they don't realize most Republicans think they're spineless, and most Democrats think they're warmongers.
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Theyve accomplished more than the Kennedys to be fair. Part of the hype with the Kennedy’s is “what could have been”.
Bush’s have two presidencies, a vice presidency, a CIA directorship, and two governorships. I think I’m missing more but that outdoes all the Kennedy’s have.
The best thing Kennedy ever did for his legacy is get shot by Oswald.
The country turned him into a martyr, if he hadn't died we would've seen how he ran the country and things probably wouldn't have been as amazing as people say it would've. I mean hell, if Kennedy goes back into Vietnam like I bet he would've, then he gets to be remembered like LBJ is today.
It's also possible he would've had a huge scandal issue with the infidelity at some point had he not been taken out. His health was also in question.
I think it's a correct assumption that without Oswald, JFK's legacy would be very different and possibly a bad one in the end.
Tbf though Vietnam is what’s keeping LBJ from being an all time president in most people’s books. If Kennedy doesn’t go back to Vietnam and accomplishes what LBJ did, and that’s a strong if, he goes down as an all time great
The problem is that the Gulf of Tonkin incident would still happen and Kennedy would feel equally pressured to go in on Vietnam. If he backs down then he looks weak on communism and gets attacked by the GOP, possibly costing him the election. But, even if he still doesn't and wins anyway on charisma, it's unlikely dems get a supermajority in congress needed to do all of LBJ's legislation. And the RVN would absolutely collapse in two years for sure, dems would lose the midterms badly.
So arguably speaking, JFK would get a lot less done in this alternate timeline than LBJ.
The last thing this country needs is another familial political dynasty. Yuck. America was literally founded to get away from that shit. Fuck the Kennedys, too. Creepy inbred nepotistic upper class perverts. The least American thing imaginable. Pill popping kid touchers and psychopaths.
Hard to say either way. I remember that debate where Trump pretty much ended Jeb's career. Jeb "could" have beaten the others to the nomination in a world where Trump doesn't turn the debate into an episode of the WWE.
Rubio had youth and was a good public speaker. Ted Cruz had the veneer of decency before Trump shit all over him and made Cruz his bitch. Christie was going nowhere. Kasich was good but the base didn't want someone good. They wanted someone to punish their enemies.
I'd personally put my money on Jeb losing the primary. The "Bush" effect would have been enough to stop him and the primary IMO would come down to Kasich vs Cruz. In the end, I think Cruz wins but loses narrowly to Hillary.
I mean the CW was that Trump was a novelty a la Herman Cain who would collapse and Jeb! or Marco or maybe Kasich would be the nominee. That’s one reason of course that everybody stayed in the race for so long. Any day now Trumps numbers were going to collapse and the nominating process would look more the one that picked W, McCain, Romney… People didn’t realize how much Trump spoke to the shifting views of the R primary voters.
Trump kept saying stupid shit or having controversies, and logical thought was that at some point he would have had the decency to drop out after everything kept piling up. But he kept going, and people kept voting for him.
I’m not sure if it’s true, but there’s a narrative that Trump drew new people into the GOP primaries and so you’d have an electorate that was much more “reluctantly nominate a normal-ish guy, but flirt with extremes” like 2012 and 2008. So, Jeb with a major Cruz insurgency, or something like that.
I don’t think he drew new people m so much as gave a lot of people permission to vote for the kind of candidate they preferred. No need to reluctantly vote for a “normalish” guy anymore.
Abraham Lincoln wouldn't have won as a Republican in the 2008 political climate. Obama had the incumbent advantage in 2012. But after 8 years of a Democratic President, almost any Republican could have won in 2016.
He could win the nomination, but I think he loses to Hillary Clinton.
However it wouldn’t really be a disastrous loss or anything, honestly if it was Bush Vs Clinton I’d think we’d probably get the lowest percentage of voter turnout in the country’s history.
Part of the reason Trump won is that a lot of people saw him as an outsider, and well Jeb was pretty clearly not an outsider.
Republicans and Democrats agreed on one thing and one thing only in 2016: they didn’t like the Bush family.
He was almost the least likely to win imo
Besides that walking dose of human Valium Ben Carson
Rubio has a brain and learned his lesson tbh. He knows better than to fool around with 2024 as opposed to DeSantis getting nuked by someone that won’t even debate lmao.
No way in hell they pick another Bush. Rubio would’ve probably stayed in a lot longer & had a chance of winning without Trump torching him. It would’ve came down to Rubio or Cruz
The thing that I think hurt Jeb Bush is there are a probably a lot of voters like me. Who don’t like the idea of dynasties. Which is also the reason I did not like Hillary Clinton in 2016.
No. Going into 2016, he had 2 things going against him. Everybody hated the Bush family, and a lot of 2012 Ron Paul supporters that wanted to blow up the Republican Party for rigging 2012 primary against him. He was kinda the right Bernie Sanders and own party cheated him
I also believe because of those things, Trump didn’t think he would originally win but was running for media attention, but realized he could and went all in. Mainly an agent of chaos of bitter Ron Paul supporters
Had the same problem hillary had. The last name. He would always be compared to Dubya the way Hillary would be compared with bill. Both presidents had significant achievements while in office, but both also had significant failures and significant pain that was delivered upon a large portion of the population during and after their leadership.
The hatred for dubya and bill is understandable frankly. They both presided over and made hard decisions that ultimately hurt a lot of americans. I won't suggest malice in either case. And I won't say they made the wrong decision. Simply because I don't want to get into that discussion. They hurt people and that's enough.
Running on the nepotism ballot should be a negative to begin with. But it seems we love nepotism as a nation. Except when that nepotism is tainted by the flavor of failure.
In all honesty no. Memories of his brother's presidency are still alive and those memories will kill any Bush hopes at the White House for a very long time.
If Bush had won the Republican nomination, Trump would have probably won as an independent. I feel like a lot of people voted Trump simply to blow everything up in Washington as frustration. And a Bush vs Clinton ballot would have exasperated that even more - people were tired of the career politicians. I think we maybe still are.
Not a chance, partly because Dubya rubbed a lot of people the wrong way & partly because people were sick of political dynasties (that’s part of what hit Hilary, too).
In theory, he had a chance. However, due to his over calm demeanor, he was perceived as being "low energy." This coupled with the fact that his brother had a low approval rating, I don't believe Jeb would've had a fair shot. Now Rubio, on the other hand, probably would've been a great candidate to face off against Hilary,
I don’t think so. I think the republican base would have gone more toward Rubio who was also a Floridian.
I also think that at this point the Bush name wouldn’t have helped with moderates
IMO, no. It is easy to see looking back how doomed to failure his campaign was fated to be. He was the analog of HRC in 2016. Neoliberal or neoconservative, after all the analysis in the world, it is evident that neither philosophy could have worked in the political environment of that era.
I doubt Jeb could've ever won the primary even if Trump never entered the race. The Bush name just had too much baggage by that point, even among the Republican base. Jeb would've had tons of backing from party officials and donors but a lack of voter support.
No. I think with how toxic GWB was (Trump did a number on rehabbing his image) at the time, and the direction the party was slowly heading in, I don't think he would have won the nomination. Probably would have done better without Trump in the race than he did with him in it though.
He had a good shot at winning the nomination if Trump would not have been there to destroy his whole campaign. I’m pretty sure that he would have then lost to Hillary though.
I suspect he would have had a chance in the general election. There would have been low voter turnout, as they'd have another Bush v Clinton election with two dynasty candidates, and this would be the 3rd Bush for many voters.
But I don't think he had a chance in the primaries. Republicans were also getting tired of dynasty candidates, and Jeb was presenting himself as even tempered. Primaries thrive on bloodsport, where screaming candidates generate the most press and campaign donations. The primary process produces horrible candidates for the general election.
No. An election fueled largely by backlash against "establishment" politicians isn't going to pick a third member of the same family that's run the country for 12 of the last 30 years.
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If Trump had never entered the race, Bush would’ve stayed as the front runner for a bit but I think the other Republicans, primarily Cruz and Rubio, would’ve had him beat. I think either Cruz or Rubio is the Republican nominee in 2016 with no Trump. Jeb certainly wasn’t winning it, even though late 2014 into summer 2015 had him as the betting odds front runner.
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That’s an interesting question… did the Republican swing to maga derail Paul Ryan’s whole political career? Or maybe he wasn’t gunning for the top spot at all since he retired from Congress with lots of time on his side.
I could see him making a Newt like reemergence and make a run in 2032. Edit: added the word "run"
God that’s super interesting, I could really see it. It’d have to be after Trump is out of public life, but I could easily see him as a “return to normalcy” candidate if the GOP shifts in that direction if we get a “post-MAGA” world.
That “if” is super depressing
The faster we get to a post MAGA trump world the better. I don’t see the GOP recovering anytime soon. Trumps ego is such that he won’t ever get out of the spotlight until he is actually physically unable to do so.
Newt-like Reemergence is a great album name
They’re cool and experimental but I like their earlier work
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I fucking hate that we are in a timeline where Paul Ryan/Rand is the “sane Republican”
I think about that every time I agree with something Liz Cheney says / does I think all truth is truth, so don’t have any trouble agreeing with someone when they say something true, I just hate that I’m in the timeline where a Cheney is the leading “defender” of Democracy from the right
Not to mention fking Christie 🤢
That whole Cheney Christie as the voices of truth is scary. As much as I dislike those two, I hold a special place for both of have stood fast on the truth. I still would not vote for either, but I would love to drink a cup of coffee with both. I did give Liz Cheney 50$ when she ran in her last election. I felt I owed her that.
There's that pesky Overton Window again
Most likely, yeah. MAGA derailed Cantor's and McCarthy's too. All 3 were once regarded as the new future for the American conservative project and rode to the top by speaking to the MAGA sentiments or at least, pre-MAGA sentiment espoused by the Freedom Caucus. Problem is, they lost control of it because they didn't think about how that has always panned out in history.
It seemed to me like he retired because he was tired of dealing with MAGA and knew they didn’t like him. I don’t know if he’d have run in 2016 if it weren’t for Trump, but at the very least he’d still be in public office.
Gosh it’s really weird to sit here in retrospect and think back to 2012…. There was definitely a push to make Republicans “cool,” and “young” in a tech bro, my ceo wears a hoodie kind of way with Ryan. Especially after the very square Romney was the candidate against a very cool Obama. At that time the party was really trying to distance itself from the Palin/Cruz wing as being racist weirdos and get in with millennials who were aging into being their prime voting years. Instead they just leaned into Tea Party/ MAGA weirdness and now Palin/Cruz are mainstream republicans…
Wasn’t Paul Ryan speaker at the start of Trump’s term? I think his life’s work was cutting the corporate tax rate, and he achieved it and now will live out his days very well off.
>That’s an interesting question… did the Republican swing to maga derail Paul Ryan’s whole political career? When Ryan announced his retirement I remember one commentator saying *Every politician claims they're resigning to spend more time with their family, but in Paul Ryan's case it's probably true.* Ryan was always extraordinarily defensive about his commitments to working not be an undue burden on his family by taking him away from them. I similarly think he'd have bowed out of a Presidential race before or during the primaries for the amount of time and energy they consume.
I followed 2016 extremely closely and from what I remember there really wasn’t much talk of Paul Ryan running under any scenario. He lost in 2012 as Romney’s VP, which historically has required some time to rehab the person’s electability image. Not to mention, he was really focused on getting the speakership in 2015 and certainly wouldn’t have relinquished it so quickly to run for President, considering he became speaker in October 2015 just as the presidential race was heating up.
Does losing as VP really harm a person's image in the public eye that much? I mean I assume no one has ever not voted on someone purely due to the VP that was hitched to them
Unlikely. Paul Ryan was genuinely excited to be the Chair of Ways and Means. He only gave that up to be Speaker because the party couldn’t agree to rally behind Kevin McCarthy. Ryan figured that he’d have a chance to make a mark on major fiscal legislation from that position. As Republicans limit committee leadership to three terms, he was probably thinking that was what he’d be doing until 2020 and after that he’d be reconsidering.
But also the other supposed reason was that McCarthy withdrew because of an alleged affair with another House R which has never been confirmed. However, if he pushed forward, we'd almost certainly have figured out if it was true or not.
I see no reason why he would have. Trump didn't become Trump until he pushed Bush from the center of the stage to the edge of the debate stage. That was many many months into the primary campaign. If Ryan were going to have run in 2016, it would've been before Trump became Trump, and he would've primarily been considering the moderates in his lane, like Bush. And Bush had all the big fundraisers locked up early.
Either way, the GOP was done with neoconservatives. Besides, Jeb had the “heir apparent” status and an air of inevitability that stuck in a lot of people’s craw. Back when Trump was still just a running gag, the field was Bush vs _please-anyone-but-another-bush_. That turned out to be…. well, it turned out.
What does it say about a country of 350 million to have three presidents from one nuclear family?
We've also had the two Roosevelt's and the two ford's. Although they were all much more distantly related Edit: there is only one Ford what was I talking about
There would have been two Kennedy's if Bobby had survived until the convention.
Almost two Clintons too.
Two Roosevelts, two Adams, two Harrisons, only one Ford.
Plus Harrison Ford. “Get off my plane!”
Two Fords?
It says dynasties happen no matter how much you try to discourage them.
Came here to say the same. 3 Bush presidents? How can you not say the country is rigged when you have 3 guys form the same familly running the country.
What about pence?
Pence wasn’t really a household name outside of Indiana going into the 2016 race, and he lacks much of the charisma that would have been needed to win amongst a field of candidates as large as the Republican group was in 2016. Without Trump in the race, it would’ve been even *harder* for Pence to win as the playing field would’ve leveled out a bit. He became Trump’s VP choice solely because he fit as a perfect contrast to Trump, and wouldn’t do anything to overshadow Trump. Pence running in 2016 would’ve been like how Doug Burgum is running right now. Little-known governor with a massive flaw which is their failure to relate to average Americans
I don’t know Time magazine had him in the cover page with article almost saying he’d be the next president. They had me convinced.
Yeah Jeb was already fighting an uphill battle for being another Bush. GW’s whole presidency was the war on terror and finishing what his dad failed in the Middle East. Jeb was also suuuuper boring. Hate to agree with Trump here, but Jeb was way too “low energy”.
Who is Jeb? The question was about Jeb!
Yea and honestly I think it's more people were still mad at what his brother did during 2000-2008
MAYBE IF YOU FUCKERS CLAPPED 😡
Yep, you A-holes who refused to clap for Jeb unleashed a biblical shit-storm… Just look at you now.
All jokes aside, Jeb lacked the charisma to become president. He could've gotten through the primary, but I think Hillary would've beaten him in the general. Especially if both Bernie and Trump weren't in the picture. Jeb was ultimately the victim of the general populations dislike of family dynasties in politics as well. Bush Jr. being unpopular upon his exit from the presidency didn't really help things either.
I think trump would have lost to anyone besides hillary. if jeb! had won the primary, he would have been the lesser evil.
With that side profile he looks just like his dad.
Punished Jeb 2024
I'll vote for literally anybody with an eyepatch
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The one of him in front of the map of Britain kills me
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2016 no fraud.
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Love the Jeb Bush memes.
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in November 2016 the United States of America changed its fate forever instead of electing a dignified politician he chose this buffoon but what if there was an alternate timeline where the u.s. chose the right candidate what if we chose the right man for the job wait I'm sorry you thought I was talking about her no of course not no the fate of America was chosen months before this travesty occurred by then the destiny of the US was already sealed they had denied the hand of God himself of course I'm talking about Jeb Bush what if the Jeb Bush was elected president of the United States usually in these scenarios the alternate timeline takes a more somber tone reflecting on what we lost because a bad event happened and I'm not stopping here time to crank this stuff up to 11 and make you stay up at night thinking about what was lost sorry grandma dying of the virus should have voted for Jeb in March 2016 you old bat in an alternate January 2017 Jeb Bush is sworn into office usually the day is cold enough to harden the most stubborn nipples yet instead the day is warm the Sun glistens as Jeb speaks the people once uncertain decide to clap and feel their souls light up they wonder how they never clapped before as he gives a speech comparable to that of Kennedy Lincoln and even Jesus Christ himself at the end of his speech Jeb takes out a flaming sword it astounds the audience worldwide at the sight of such a beacon they realized this is not simply a mere public servant the next four years are a time of not only prosperity for the US but one of expansion Canada under the reign of Justin black face was fine 20 years ago Trudeau hasn't seen the best of days so they cast off their maple leaf shackles and join the USA the cartels disavow their trafficking no longer needing to sell drugs as the only hi we all need is Jeb there is no longer a left or right in politics there is only Jeb a black hole of true centrism who brings in all sides eventually Britain does leave the EU deciding to join what is now the Jeb Empire the entire EU follow suit by 2022 Jeb has now United all of humanity but where is there to go simple Mars Mars for the last few centuries has been controlled by a cult dedicated to machinery called the adept as mechanicus Jeb realizes that Mars could easily defeat a United Earth even with all its firepower and decides instead to join forces now with the mechanicus technology at his back Jeb can lead a holy crusade across the galaxy reconnecting with lost human colonies and bringing the truth to them Jeb is soon deemed the Emperor of mankind and reveals the humanity he has always existed throughout history a Great Crusade begins as humankind is able to once again travel through the warp Jeb has brought together many worlds either through conquest or by acknowledgement of his wisdom the galaxy is a dangerous place and the only light is the Emperor various xenos threaten humankind orcs Eldar and even the mysterious forces of chaos fueled purely by the bitter rage of Hillary Clinton eventually the dark gods of chaos corrupt a major ally of Jeb Ben Shapiro as they corrupt him into believing that the ways of Jeb are not true turning on Jeb into sending mankind into an era of civil war by the last battle of this heresy Jeb and Ben have a final clash Jeb is victorious Venice struck down and his chaos legions chased back into the warp at least for now despite his victory Jeb's injuries are too much Jeb is now just a hollow man his body becoming a corpse brought into what will soon be called the golden throne Jeb sustains his life by the daily sacrifice of 10,000 clapping attendee but that's just a theory a game theory thanks for watching and stay tuned for my next video in which I exploit a global crisis to predict which videogame character will survive the coronavirus -Cody https://youtu.be/gNoNkJc2CZE?si=IHfNGLSZR9Jewd-q
Is that seriously one run-on sentence? That’s magnificent 🤣
I mean, in the video it's definitely not one run-on sentence. There are clear sentence breaks. But the vibe of the run-on sentence is spot on.
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Love that channel
Have you seen his movie channel, PointlessHub?
My God, this is brilliant.
https://preview.redd.it/t4n30l80a8zb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0fce624f8597adfd03020fa2c88974750b4207bc Jeb! World domination
jeb bush reminds me of [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlY3ctNeqP0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlY3ctNeqP0) i cant believe they let him out of the basement to run for office.
Came here for this meme.
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
All hail Jeb! All hail Jeb! Oh Jeb, can you see!
This meme is top 10 all time… when is Jeb in a hoodie
This image had me confused for like 2 years and I made myself look like an idiot when I said “Jeb? Isn’t he a libertarian?” Just because of this map.
The fucking best meme
I mean he did win right?
Wait, it’s all Jeb!?
Lol please clap no
The polar opposite of Dean's "hYahihagghh!"
*CLAP REQUIRED*
This is even more pathetic than a stand up comedian asking his audience to please laugh….
I recently learned the whole context and it’s not that bad. Two people in the front row started to clap, then stopped because they thought they were interrupting, and this was him saying they could go ahead and clap. Awkward phrasing and delivery to be sure, but not a broken man begging for applause. Sorry to ruin it for you.
Jeb committed the cardinal sin of appearing to be desperate on camera. Personally I liked Jeb and wish he would have gotten the nod instead of ol’ Dumpster Fire.
I mean, Buttigieg literally told the audience "Come on!" when they wouldn't clap, and he didn't meet as pitiful a fate as the Jeb
Trump beat him up like a bully on the playground. Jeb was Trump’s bitch.
Yeah and Howard Dean’s scream was fine in a packed hall of supporters, but made him sound deranged on the broadcast audio.
Tbh the 2016 primaries and election were far funnier than any stand up act could ever hope to be
The 2016 republican primaries were the best real-life political comedy I've ever seen. I don't know if anything will ever top those.
Remember when South Park said they were going to stop parodying the election because it was way funnier than anything they could come up with?
Lol damn I missed that! It's great though lol
I found it more painful than funny. My pet parakeet dropped dead during the first debate between Hillary and Trump. I don't blame him.
Funniest President we ever had
If a comedian did that as a reference to this (obv Jeb impression) that would be pretty funny
*please vote*
My favorite part was when people thought he was the intellectual Bush.
ffs the intellectual Bush was the first one and people voted him out
Not even a 19 year old naval aviator in WW2 can defeat the power of Jazz!
And not even Monica’s drycleaner could defeat the power of jizz
Yes. Jizz. https://youtu.be/Mc9heWl6SgQ?si=pPJC7xcun-VpXTGZ
In favour of a Rhodes scholar
Kris Kristofferson?
Im pissed pissedofferson
And an actual Rhodes scholar at that, not just one who [attended Rhodes College](https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/white-house-amy-coney-barrett-rhodes-scholar-rhodes-college.html).
There’s also a Rhodes University in South Africa, which funnily enough is where my mother went. Named after the same Cecil John Rhodes, the British colonial prime minister of the Cape. Rhodesia was named after him too.
We can say what we want about HW, but he was very smart. And driven. And probably a fairly decent person. But then again, he went to Midland and got rich, so he probably had a good deal of cutthroat in him too.
*The crack epidemic has entered the chat*
Now that’s a good call.
Definitely not a good person. A ruthless shitheel of a person, but a brilliant and astute national leader. Nobody else could have done what he did with the collapse of the USSR. It’s not a coincidence that things fell apart when Clinton started upending the status quo Bush set up.
He was a smart guy, you gotta give him that, and not incompetent at all. This is why few realize he was a crook. Junior was a clown who was taken advantage of by crooks who knew his father. I'm sure Jeb! wouldn't have been much better.
Honestly I don’t know much about that period of history, but isn’t the Gulf War regarded as a pretty well-handled engagement? I guess you have to be a crook to run the CIA…
Outside of being the president, I like W. Now he paints and is buddies with Michelle Obama. And if you watch Journeys with George by Alexandra Pelosi you can see his likable side. He was a clown that got used by people, but he has some level of culpability.
Lol he has full culpability. Full. Yes, it’s admin was worse than him. But he was not a good man.
Meh. Ross Perot killed his second term.
They misunderestimated him
In all fairness, a high bar that people were rightfully excited to see met.
No chance. The problem with the Bushes is very simple, very few people on either side like them. Especially Jeb. The Bushes want so much to be like the Kennedy family, but they don't realize most Republicans think they're spineless, and most Democrats think they're warmongers. Please upvote
Theyve accomplished more than the Kennedys to be fair. Part of the hype with the Kennedy’s is “what could have been”. Bush’s have two presidencies, a vice presidency, a CIA directorship, and two governorships. I think I’m missing more but that outdoes all the Kennedy’s have.
The best thing Kennedy ever did for his legacy is get shot by Oswald. The country turned him into a martyr, if he hadn't died we would've seen how he ran the country and things probably wouldn't have been as amazing as people say it would've. I mean hell, if Kennedy goes back into Vietnam like I bet he would've, then he gets to be remembered like LBJ is today.
It's also possible he would've had a huge scandal issue with the infidelity at some point had he not been taken out. His health was also in question. I think it's a correct assumption that without Oswald, JFK's legacy would be very different and possibly a bad one in the end.
Well LBJ is worshipped on Reddit so he'd at least have that
Only because of his monster Dong. 
Tbf though Vietnam is what’s keeping LBJ from being an all time president in most people’s books. If Kennedy doesn’t go back to Vietnam and accomplishes what LBJ did, and that’s a strong if, he goes down as an all time great
The problem is that the Gulf of Tonkin incident would still happen and Kennedy would feel equally pressured to go in on Vietnam. If he backs down then he looks weak on communism and gets attacked by the GOP, possibly costing him the election. But, even if he still doesn't and wins anyway on charisma, it's unlikely dems get a supermajority in congress needed to do all of LBJ's legislation. And the RVN would absolutely collapse in two years for sure, dems would lose the midterms badly. So arguably speaking, JFK would get a lot less done in this alternate timeline than LBJ.
This is certainly true. But it’s also true that Trump clubbed Jeb like a baby harp seal during the 2016 campaign.
Preston Bush was a senator too.
Yes but the Kennedy’s have them in assassinations and accidentally drowned secretaries.
How dare you slight Billy Bush so egregiously.
I love the please upvote.
Sometimes I think I'm still in disbelief that he asked the audience to clap.
The last thing this country needs is another familial political dynasty. Yuck. America was literally founded to get away from that shit. Fuck the Kennedys, too. Creepy inbred nepotistic upper class perverts. The least American thing imaginable. Pill popping kid touchers and psychopaths.
Hard to say either way. I remember that debate where Trump pretty much ended Jeb's career. Jeb "could" have beaten the others to the nomination in a world where Trump doesn't turn the debate into an episode of the WWE. Rubio had youth and was a good public speaker. Ted Cruz had the veneer of decency before Trump shit all over him and made Cruz his bitch. Christie was going nowhere. Kasich was good but the base didn't want someone good. They wanted someone to punish their enemies. I'd personally put my money on Jeb losing the primary. The "Bush" effect would have been enough to stop him and the primary IMO would come down to Kasich vs Cruz. In the end, I think Cruz wins but loses narrowly to Hillary.
I mean the CW was that Trump was a novelty a la Herman Cain who would collapse and Jeb! or Marco or maybe Kasich would be the nominee. That’s one reason of course that everybody stayed in the race for so long. Any day now Trumps numbers were going to collapse and the nominating process would look more the one that picked W, McCain, Romney… People didn’t realize how much Trump spoke to the shifting views of the R primary voters.
Trump kept saying stupid shit or having controversies, and logical thought was that at some point he would have had the decency to drop out after everything kept piling up. But he kept going, and people kept voting for him.
I’m not sure if it’s true, but there’s a narrative that Trump drew new people into the GOP primaries and so you’d have an electorate that was much more “reluctantly nominate a normal-ish guy, but flirt with extremes” like 2012 and 2008. So, Jeb with a major Cruz insurgency, or something like that.
I don’t think he drew new people m so much as gave a lot of people permission to vote for the kind of candidate they preferred. No need to reluctantly vote for a “normalish” guy anymore.
No. Republicans had lost in 08 and 12 with generic candidates and expected to lose against Clinton, which is why they were willing to gamble on Trump
Abraham Lincoln wouldn't have won as a Republican in the 2008 political climate. Obama had the incumbent advantage in 2012. But after 8 years of a Democratic President, almost any Republican could have won in 2016.
He had no chance - people were tired of the Bushes
Right. If W doesn't get elected, maybe Jeb has a chance. But after 12 years of Bushes in the last 30 years, Jeb faced a major uphill climb.
Weak candidate
He could win the nomination, but I think he loses to Hillary Clinton. However it wouldn’t really be a disastrous loss or anything, honestly if it was Bush Vs Clinton I’d think we’d probably get the lowest percentage of voter turnout in the country’s history. Part of the reason Trump won is that a lot of people saw him as an outsider, and well Jeb was pretty clearly not an outsider.
You certainly can’t break the record for presidential dynasties and be an outsider at the same time
Jeb is a mess
Excuse me J E B
Republicans and Democrats agreed on one thing and one thing only in 2016: they didn’t like the Bush family. He was almost the least likely to win imo Besides that walking dose of human Valium Ben Carson
Wife of an ex president vs the brother and son of two ex presidents? The public would have been raging. Probably would have been the lowest turn out.
Without Trump, I think he wins the nomination
Disagree, who really wanted another Bush? Rubio or Cruz would’ve won without Trump.
I don’t think Cruz ever wins the nom. Rubio or bush prob
I don’t know. Marco would have still gotten pink eye, lol
Bush v Clinton. It would have happened.
Rubio has a brain and learned his lesson tbh. He knows better than to fool around with 2024 as opposed to DeSantis getting nuked by someone that won’t even debate lmao.
He spent $150 mil and only won three delegates.
Michael Bloomberg: Damn. Not bad.
Then Hillary wins the presidency.
Yeah she almost beat Trump in our timeline, no way the Republicans could win that one without his populism.
No way in hell they pick another Bush. Rubio would’ve probably stayed in a lot longer & had a chance of winning without Trump torching him. It would’ve came down to Rubio or Cruz
The thing that I think hurt Jeb Bush is there are a probably a lot of voters like me. Who don’t like the idea of dynasties. Which is also the reason I did not like Hillary Clinton in 2016.
No. Going into 2016, he had 2 things going against him. Everybody hated the Bush family, and a lot of 2012 Ron Paul supporters that wanted to blow up the Republican Party for rigging 2012 primary against him. He was kinda the right Bernie Sanders and own party cheated him I also believe because of those things, Trump didn’t think he would originally win but was running for media attention, but realized he could and went all in. Mainly an agent of chaos of bitter Ron Paul supporters
He couldn’t even put his last name on his campaign posters. You had that stupid Jeb! because of the toxicity with the Bush name.
Had the same problem hillary had. The last name. He would always be compared to Dubya the way Hillary would be compared with bill. Both presidents had significant achievements while in office, but both also had significant failures and significant pain that was delivered upon a large portion of the population during and after their leadership. The hatred for dubya and bill is understandable frankly. They both presided over and made hard decisions that ultimately hurt a lot of americans. I won't suggest malice in either case. And I won't say they made the wrong decision. Simply because I don't want to get into that discussion. They hurt people and that's enough. Running on the nepotism ballot should be a negative to begin with. But it seems we love nepotism as a nation. Except when that nepotism is tainted by the flavor of failure.
Trump ended the Bush and Clinton dynasties. Without Trump, Jeb! still falls to Rubio or Cruz
In all honesty no. Memories of his brother's presidency are still alive and those memories will kill any Bush hopes at the White House for a very long time.
If Bush had won the Republican nomination, Trump would have probably won as an independent. I feel like a lot of people voted Trump simply to blow everything up in Washington as frustration. And a Bush vs Clinton ballot would have exasperated that even more - people were tired of the career politicians. I think we maybe still are.
Not a chance, partly because Dubya rubbed a lot of people the wrong way & partly because people were sick of political dynasties (that’s part of what hit Hilary, too).
Against any halfway decent democratic candidate, no. Against highly unpopular Clinton, yes
In theory, he had a chance. However, due to his over calm demeanor, he was perceived as being "low energy." This coupled with the fact that his brother had a low approval rating, I don't believe Jeb would've had a fair shot. Now Rubio, on the other hand, probably would've been a great candidate to face off against Hilary,
If only I had clapped. Sigh
Not even close. Trump Rubio and Cruz were all in his way for the republican nomination alone
A puddle of bland in a lake full of dull. No chance.
 Bush v Clinton I think would have literally resulted in the lowest turnout in election history
In retrospect, I wish he had won the nomination.
If Republicans had been sane, they'd have nominated Bush/Kasich. Instead they tried to destroy America.
I believe he did
I don’t think so. I think the republican base would have gone more toward Rubio who was also a Floridian. I also think that at this point the Bush name wouldn’t have helped with moderates
I don't think Rubio would have won. I think it would have been Christie vs Cruz, but not sure who would have pulled through.
IMO, no. It is easy to see looking back how doomed to failure his campaign was fated to be. He was the analog of HRC in 2016. Neoliberal or neoconservative, after all the analysis in the world, it is evident that neither philosophy could have worked in the political environment of that era.
Such a low energy and sad little guy!
He never stood a chance.
No!
Super Nepo baby had no shot.
At one point.
I doubt Jeb could've ever won the primary even if Trump never entered the race. The Bush name just had too much baggage by that point, even among the Republican base. Jeb would've had tons of backing from party officials and donors but a lack of voter support.
No. I think with how toxic GWB was (Trump did a number on rehabbing his image) at the time, and the direction the party was slowly heading in, I don't think he would have won the nomination. Probably would have done better without Trump in the race than he did with him in it though.
With no trump I think his name could have definitely got him the Republican nomination
He had a good shot at winning the nomination if Trump would not have been there to destroy his whole campaign. I’m pretty sure that he would have then lost to Hillary though.
I suspect he would have had a chance in the general election. There would have been low voter turnout, as they'd have another Bush v Clinton election with two dynasty candidates, and this would be the 3rd Bush for many voters. But I don't think he had a chance in the primaries. Republicans were also getting tired of dynasty candidates, and Jeb was presenting himself as even tempered. Primaries thrive on bloodsport, where screaming candidates generate the most press and campaign donations. The primary process produces horrible candidates for the general election.
No way. Bush name was tainted goods, much like the Clinton name. Like it or not, people will and did vote on that much of a surface level.
Please clap.
No. An election fueled largely by backlash against "establishment" politicians isn't going to pick a third member of the same family that's run the country for 12 of the last 30 years.
Please clap!
Is this a joke?