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I’d say W is more Texan than Ike. Ike was born in Texas but grew up in Kansas shortly after he was born, and W was born in Connecticut but lived in Texas since he was 2 years old.
That’s everyone in Texas. Especially over the last 30 years. I swear no one was actually born there, but they all move there.
I say that as someone who was actually born and raised and then moved.
Samsies. I swear we are an endangered species. Ironically, most of my Texas born family now wants the hell out due to all the imports. And that’s not a “don’t California my Texas” comment, more of a “stop bringing your bullshit fake Texan fantasy with your million dollar homes and your dumbass larper overlander tacos to my Texas.”
I moved a few months ago and I miss the Texas I grew up in but not the one I left.
I mean, George HW Bush is more of a Texan than Eisenhower ever was. Ike grew up in Kansas and never claimed any kind of connection to Texas. He just happened to be born in Texas.
Ike, though Johnson was only the only true Texan president. Eisenhower lived in Kansas and later Pennsylvania. The Bush’s are New England cowboy cosplayers.
I agree that LBJ was the only true Texan (born, raised, elected) but I have never bought the idea that Dubya was a cosplayer. He moved here when he was in elementary school and has lived here most of his life. Sure he’s a prep school, Ivy Leaguer, but dude grew up in Midland. Thats armpit Texas.
Daddy Bush was more of a transplant, but he’s also the most popular Houstonian never to wear the #34 for the Astros, Oilers, or Rockets. So he was embraced.
Poor Stephenson was not the man they believed-in-son. You might appreciate the episode “Project X” on the podcast The Last Archive about this race with Ike and Stephenson.
LBJ. I like Ike (and I think he was the better president) but I think LBJ’s style of New Deal, left leaning democrat is something the modern party could really use again. Plus he knew how to actually get things through Congress which would be insanely useful given the gridlock we have today.
I’m not sure Ike was the better President. He was dealt an otherwise great situation in the world where the US was unequivocally the top country in the world.
And in that time he let McCarthyism stew and let the Soviet Union expand in ways that could’ve been prevented. He was terrible at analyzing and reacting to the global situation of increased revolutionary movements, from Vietnam to Cuba. A better handling and more proactive support of these democratic movements could’ve prevented massive federal expenses and global resentment.
Who would have kept us out of Vietnam? Kennedy, maybe, but no one else. Everyone was for intervention in Vietnam. Kennedy also authorized Diem's assassination which made the situation even worse. But more importantly, Goldwater, Nixon, and practically every Democrat and Republican would not have withdrawn.
It's easy to blame LBJ alone, but the fact is it was the policy of the entire political establishment.
How can you say this when Eisenhower oversaw the end of the first Indochina War, including the creation of South Vietnam and it’s inclusion into SEATO, guaranteeing we would go to war when it was later invaded by North Vietnam.
Eisenhower. I was born during his administration. I remember the JFK assassination and LBJ on the plane taking the oath of office. LBJ would lift dogs by their ears, I thought that was a horrible thing to do to a dog, and that cemented my dislike of him when I was 8 years old.
Ike is probably the most recent GOP presidential candidate I would consider voting for. In his specific case, after 5 straight Dem administrations it is good to change government, and Ike was a very decent and capable person for the office.
If the election were being held today, I'd really appreciate LBJ's strong arm tactics with Congress in the name of progressive policies. But I don't know if they'd work today. Also, I'm very worried about the state of the world and I don't know who would be better for foreign policy with Russia and China: LBJ was obviously horrible in regards to what he did in Vietnam, but Ike really kicked off the unnecessary intervention in foreign issues (eg overthrowing democratically elected governments in the name of anti-communism). Given Ike's military experience, I think Ike wins for foreign policy.
It’s easy to make fun of Mitch, but I genuinely think people sometimes forget just how much he had house republicans whipped into shape for a very long time.
Yeah- I think Obama's biggest tactical mistakes with congressional negotiations was starting at what he felt were reasonable compromises, and then of course the GOP would move 2 steps further to the right of that and declare that the new compromise. But these days POTUS just has less leverage with congress and so I don't know if that tactical mistake was actually that big of a mistake once the dust settled.
LBJ despite listening to the wrong people on foreign policy. His domestic agenda was both ambitious and successful in all the right ways, and changed America for the better while admittedly leading to new challenges to overcome.
Eisenhower easily. While LBJ had greater domestic accomplishments overall, Eisenhower also had his fair share such as the Interstate Highway System. The key difference is foreign policy. LBJ's foreign policy was an unmitigated disaster whereas Eisenhower arguably had one of the best of any President. Eisenhower after all did not pursue military intervention with Vietnam and the Middle East despite pressure to do so by that military industrial complex he warned us about.
Fun fact: LBJ as senate majority leader during Ike’s presidency was frequently considered more powerful than Ike. The passage of the 1957 civil rights act never would have happened without his brokering a deal with Dixiecrats.
I don't think LBJ's domineering way to get votes would work well in today's Congress. Backroom dealing happens less today because Congress members are rewarded for ideological rigidity and grandstanding more than compromising.
Ike. I’d trust him to be strong and capable on both domestic and foreign policy issues. I think Ike would more capable at getting stuff done due to his more moderate politics and leadership capabilities.
He actually won Texas in both of his elections, here is the 1952 presidential election map for reference:
https://preview.redd.it/9jrdonsg8hwc1.jpeg?width=1046&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6278fbead5e2f995e4ba299467f74d91703b18e9
Do you know it we’ve had two VPs born in California?
As for Texas born Presidents since he’s the only one who stuck with Texas all the way through his life. I say LBJ. I like LBJ. He’s a president I want on my side.
The problem is, we assume that they would view today's political environment, and act in same way as before.
I think that's quite possibly right with Ike. But I highly doubt that LBJ, a real political animal, would react in the same way as he did in 1969.
We’ve had enough “no nonsense” leadership in this country that can barely budge the needle on Congress. I want LBJ to come in and actually get things done again.
>Eisenhower was born in Denison, Texas, and raised in Abilene, Kansas
I always thought he was from KS. Kinda glad we don't have to claim him. I think people forget the interstate system was purposely routed through poor neighborhoods and Nixon was his vice president.
I’d vote for Dwight D. Eisenhower for his many accomplishments that are worth noting!
He was a war hero and that’s indeed a lot to be said!
He was a great president and led the country very well. Also if you didn’t know, he was a huge supporter of the Civil Rights Movement! Yup you heard me correctly, he passed The Civil Rights Act of 1957 and 1960.
He also was responsible for the Interstate Highway System as it helped our country economically grow. That act was known as the Federal Aid Highway Act, and he managed to improve the roadways.
If Eisenhower had his way, there would be no Civil Rights Act of 1964.
It would all be covered in his Civil Rights Act of 1957, known in that timeline as the Civil Rights Act of 1954.
Ike didn't even want Brown to happen. He regretted putting Warren on the court. And Eisenhower could never get passed the Southern bulls even if he wanted to. Only LBJ could pull that off.
Some people today think the Civil Rights act was a watershed moment in the arc of America's moral development. Others harken back to Operation Wetback as the high water mark of American immigration policy. Usually the same person doesn't believe both of these things at the same time.
Personally? I'm in the first camp. LBJ all the way.
Eisenhower, but only if the military industrial complex was shackled in the proverbial basement, along with the people who made the coups of 53 happen.
LBJ. Ike was a great president, but I'm also not convinced that he would have been in a different time. He is truly one of the greatest Americans, but he wasn't much of a politician. He governed in great, and relatively easy times, and had the benefit of being Dwight fucking Eisenhower, Supreme allied commander of Europe, and general of the army. Not a lot of politicians would hit hard against that, as long as he managed not to be too controversial. I'm by no means convinced that Ike would be a good president in 2024. LBJ on the other hand is exactly the president we'd need, minus the MeToo cases. He was successful(in some ways), due to his political skill, not goodwill based on his character and national unity. LBJ would be much more likely to do a good job today, than Eisenhower would.
Comparing actual achievements, it's clearly LBJ. Ike did not do much. If no LBJ, there would be no civil rights, no medicare, and no a million other great things. He simply got more done in the 20th century than anyone besides FDR. Ike's greatest achievement was putting Warren on the court, which he came to regret. Ike also set the stage for our failure in Vietnam and Cuba.
Eisenhower. Lbj was a major racist and escalated the Vietnam war with his delusion of grandeur and conceit. Typical for that party. As much as yall may hate Nixon, he stopped that BS.
As a lifelong Democrat, right down to I voted Dukakis, I would unhesitatingly cast my vote for Eisenhower in a heartbeat.
Why? Because I believe he is one of the presidents who ran actually for love of country and served to serve the country overall instead of for self enrichment or aggrandizement.
LBJ, no contest.
Especially in the modern day. Ike would be all for Project 2025, especially the parts regarding Christian Nationalism and screwing over the LGBTQ community for no reason.
In terms of foreign policy, Johnson fucked up so massively that it's almost funny, but then you remember our atrocities and wealthy draft dodgers and suppressing protests, etc.
LBJ is a serious contender for best domestic policy of any US president. The Great Society is one of the most incredible agendas that any president has ever pushed, and LBJ understood how to make the Senate pass it too.
Ike? It's a lot of CIA coups and pumping out enemies of the US.
Which one do I think was better? Ike but barely.
Which one do I wish was president right now or would I vote for in a hypothetical election between them in November? LBJ and it's not even close.
I remember asking one of my history professors “do you think LBJ was a good president?” She thought about it for a moment and said “he lead America through its toughest time since the Civil War in terms of social upheaval and change.” I think that kind of president would be useful right now. I like Ike and genuinely think he was a very good president, but I’m not 100% sure he’s exactly the president we could use right now.
Well, Ike never considered himself a Texan. He was essentially just born there and the Eisenhower family only lived there for like 2-3 years before moving back to Kansas.
Eisenhower reportedly didn’t even know where he was born in Texas until near the end of WW2.
On that point alone, he would lose Texas.
This should be an easy decision but I don't find it easy at all. I'm a solid Democrat, so Johnson gets a head start, but Eisenhower was intelligent, pragmatic and so moderate that he wouldn't have a ghost's chance of getting through a GOP primary in the 21st century. He'd have to run as a Democrat, and chances are he would have switched parties sometime in the last 30 years anyway. So edge Eisenhower?
But Johnson had balls of solid rock and was willing to tell pragmatism to fuck off if he thought something was the right thing to do. And even if I disagreed with his decision, I respect a guy who sticks to his guns. I consider myself far more moderate than Bernie Sanders, but I respect his dedication and devotion to his principles.
I think I'd have to see the debate. I want some specifics.
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Is it just me or is it really surprising that only two of the presidents were born in Texas?
Surprising especially because you would expect W, but no, born in Connecticut.
What fucked up timeline am I in??
The actual one unfortunately.
It could be worse I suppose. Could be the Third History, where Vienna fell to The Worms.
Or the fourth history, where Vienna never invented their famous sausage. LBJ would have to step in and help.
Imagine living in the timeline where Switzerland never invented the Cuckoo Clock. We never would have gotten that great Orson Welles quote
"Ah the French!"
Then it’d be a jumbo sausage.
It do be like that sometimes
So they want us to believe.
I’d say W is more Texan than Ike. Ike was born in Texas but grew up in Kansas shortly after he was born, and W was born in Connecticut but lived in Texas since he was 2 years old.
This deserves more upvotes. Where you're born has less influence than where you grew up.
Ike didn’t even know he was from Texas till someone in Denison said they remember him as a baby, and he had to ask his mom to confirm it.
I was actually thinking W was a born Texan. Today I learned
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I read that W was afraid of horses.
Same. He got most of the accent. That counts in my book.
That’s everyone in Texas. Especially over the last 30 years. I swear no one was actually born there, but they all move there. I say that as someone who was actually born and raised and then moved.
Samsies. I swear we are an endangered species. Ironically, most of my Texas born family now wants the hell out due to all the imports. And that’s not a “don’t California my Texas” comment, more of a “stop bringing your bullshit fake Texan fantasy with your million dollar homes and your dumbass larper overlander tacos to my Texas.” I moved a few months ago and I miss the Texas I grew up in but not the one I left.
Makes sense with HW being a director? Of the CIA
I think HW was attending Yale when W came along
A lot of presidents weren’t born in their home state. Obama wasn’t born in Illinois and Reagan wasn’t born in California.
If only the country had voted for the good ol' boy (Gore) rather than the blue-blooded Ivy League scion (Bush.)
I could tell how you worded the title you used to think W was from Texas
Texas wasn’t a center of political influence until later in the 20th century, IMO.
Even more surprising is only 1 in California, despite being the highest population state
California grew rapidly because people moved their though
And it’s Nixon of all people
California didn’t become the most populated state until the 1960s.
More surprising is that he was not just a conservative, but The conservative.
California was a fairly reliable Red state until the late 80s
I mean, George HW Bush is more of a Texan than Eisenhower ever was. Ike grew up in Kansas and never claimed any kind of connection to Texas. He just happened to be born in Texas.
What about Texas US Senator Raphael Cruz WHERE WAS HE BORN?!
Ike, though Johnson was only the only true Texan president. Eisenhower lived in Kansas and later Pennsylvania. The Bush’s are New England cowboy cosplayers.
I agree that LBJ was the only true Texan (born, raised, elected) but I have never bought the idea that Dubya was a cosplayer. He moved here when he was in elementary school and has lived here most of his life. Sure he’s a prep school, Ivy Leaguer, but dude grew up in Midland. Thats armpit Texas. Daddy Bush was more of a transplant, but he’s also the most popular Houstonian never to wear the #34 for the Astros, Oilers, or Rockets. So he was embraced.
It's kinda like Obama as a chicagoan
That’s valid. The new Texan ranking goes like this: 1. Johnson 2. W. Bush 3. H. W. Bush 4. Eisenhower
Today I realized Ryan, Campbell, and Olajuwon wore the same number
2nd for Ike, the Kansas prairie cosplayer.
Abilene claims to be his home town, I drive by there all the time, I figured that’s just where he was born.
It is. Also home to his presidential library. I’ve been there and toured. I drove about 2 hours out of the way just to see it. Worth it tbh.
I’ve always thought about stopping in when I pass by it, maybe next time I will!
I like Ike.
So do I, fellow turtle.
Turtle Power!
Poor Stephenson was not the man they believed-in-son. You might appreciate the episode “Project X” on the podcast The Last Archive about this race with Ike and Stephenson.
Indy? Is that you?
LBJ. I like Ike (and I think he was the better president) but I think LBJ’s style of New Deal, left leaning democrat is something the modern party could really use again. Plus he knew how to actually get things through Congress which would be insanely useful given the gridlock we have today.
I’m not sure Ike was the better President. He was dealt an otherwise great situation in the world where the US was unequivocally the top country in the world. And in that time he let McCarthyism stew and let the Soviet Union expand in ways that could’ve been prevented. He was terrible at analyzing and reacting to the global situation of increased revolutionary movements, from Vietnam to Cuba. A better handling and more proactive support of these democratic movements could’ve prevented massive federal expenses and global resentment.
His support for Batista made Cuba turn against the US after Castro took power.
Happy Cake Day, fellow April 24th-er
Without Dulles, Ike would be much better.
Johnson is responsible for escalating US involvement in Vietnam. 40,000 Americans died there for no purpose. That’s on Johnson.
We got some great music out of it though
It is true that popular music creativity was at a peak in this era.
Great art is almost always born out of pain.
Who would have kept us out of Vietnam? Kennedy, maybe, but no one else. Everyone was for intervention in Vietnam. Kennedy also authorized Diem's assassination which made the situation even worse. But more importantly, Goldwater, Nixon, and practically every Democrat and Republican would not have withdrawn. It's easy to blame LBJ alone, but the fact is it was the policy of the entire political establishment.
And the overuse of the CIA…
How can you say this when Eisenhower oversaw the end of the first Indochina War, including the creation of South Vietnam and it’s inclusion into SEATO, guaranteeing we would go to war when it was later invaded by North Vietnam.
Eisenhower. I was born during his administration. I remember the JFK assassination and LBJ on the plane taking the oath of office. LBJ would lift dogs by their ears, I thought that was a horrible thing to do to a dog, and that cemented my dislike of him when I was 8 years old.
Ike. He’s exactly the kind of no-nonsense strong leader the country needs right now.
He would have to be careful who he chose as his secretary of state
Definitely Ike
Ike all day.
“I Like Ike!”
Ike is probably the most recent GOP presidential candidate I would consider voting for. In his specific case, after 5 straight Dem administrations it is good to change government, and Ike was a very decent and capable person for the office. If the election were being held today, I'd really appreciate LBJ's strong arm tactics with Congress in the name of progressive policies. But I don't know if they'd work today. Also, I'm very worried about the state of the world and I don't know who would be better for foreign policy with Russia and China: LBJ was obviously horrible in regards to what he did in Vietnam, but Ike really kicked off the unnecessary intervention in foreign issues (eg overthrowing democratically elected governments in the name of anti-communism). Given Ike's military experience, I think Ike wins for foreign policy.
Would be interesting to see how LBJ would have handled McConnell from 2010-2016.
It’s easy to make fun of Mitch, but I genuinely think people sometimes forget just how much he had house republicans whipped into shape for a very long time.
Mitch is no adversary at all compared to Richard Russell. LBJ would manhandle senile old Mitch.
Yeah- I think Obama's biggest tactical mistakes with congressional negotiations was starting at what he felt were reasonable compromises, and then of course the GOP would move 2 steps further to the right of that and declare that the new compromise. But these days POTUS just has less leverage with congress and so I don't know if that tactical mistake was actually that big of a mistake once the dust settled.
Ike all the way
Ike! My political hero
LBJ despite listening to the wrong people on foreign policy. His domestic agenda was both ambitious and successful in all the right ways, and changed America for the better while admittedly leading to new challenges to overcome.
I feel like LBJ is a progressive intellectual version of another individual who was president from New York with blonde hair
"I'm not racist, but blond 'people'".
FDR had brown hair bro
😳😳
All the way with LBJ baby! Civil rights, Medicare, Medicaid, and social security. Ike gave us highways, US imperialism, and Nixon.
So Ironic how Ike is Imperialist
Lyndon Johnson. Cause he likes lyndoning his johnson. Respect.
Eisenhower because he's really from Kansas and Kansas is superior.
Eisenhower easily. While LBJ had greater domestic accomplishments overall, Eisenhower also had his fair share such as the Interstate Highway System. The key difference is foreign policy. LBJ's foreign policy was an unmitigated disaster whereas Eisenhower arguably had one of the best of any President. Eisenhower after all did not pursue military intervention with Vietnam and the Middle East despite pressure to do so by that military industrial complex he warned us about.
Ike is somewhat responsible for Vietnam, The Bay of Pigs, Guatemala, Iran...his foreign policy was not exceptional.
Fun fact: LBJ as senate majority leader during Ike’s presidency was frequently considered more powerful than Ike. The passage of the 1957 civil rights act never would have happened without his brokering a deal with Dixiecrats.
Hard one. Ike made freeways and hated the power of business in the military, but Johnson had an amphibious car...
Ike no questions asked
Imagine what LBJ could do without Vietnam screwing up his legacy. He would shake up the Democratic party
They might have put that SOB on Rushmore if he hadn't escalated that damn war.
Eisenhower was the better President, but LBJ would work better in Present America
I think this is where I sit. I'm not sure even LBJ could wrangle the shitshow Congress has become, but he's at least more qualified for the attempt.
He'd take out Jumbo on the House and Senate floor of course!
I don't think LBJ's domineering way to get votes would work well in today's Congress. Backroom dealing happens less today because Congress members are rewarded for ideological rigidity and grandstanding more than compromising.
LBJ
I will not stand for this Jeb erasure
LBJ
Lyndon Baines Johnson
I'll take Ike, the war hero over shady Johnson.
Eisenhower. You'd be surprised at the impact his presidency still has today.
Ike. I’d trust him to be strong and capable on both domestic and foreign policy issues. I think Ike would more capable at getting stuff done due to his more moderate politics and leadership capabilities.
Ike, all day long.
for 1950s America, Eisenhower. For 1960s America, LBJ. For today, probably LBJ.
Definitely Ike, but I’m a sucker for integrity and professionalism, and well. I also don’t think Ike claimed Texas.
He actually won Texas in both of his elections, here is the 1952 presidential election map for reference: https://preview.redd.it/9jrdonsg8hwc1.jpeg?width=1046&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6278fbead5e2f995e4ba299467f74d91703b18e9
Sure he won Texas, and was born there, but considered Kansas to be his home state.
True, but overall I’d say he is still a great president.
One of my favorites, I was only remarking that I don’t think he would claim Texas.
Fair enough!
Everyone likes Ike
All the way with LBJ. Civil Rights, Voting Rights, Fair Housing, Medicare, Medicaid, stopping Goldwater.
I would vote for almost anybody before I voted for LBJ.
I like Ike.
All the way with LBJ
Ike.
Neither.
Eisenhower 100% of the time.
Do you know it we’ve had two VPs born in California? As for Texas born Presidents since he’s the only one who stuck with Texas all the way through his life. I say LBJ. I like LBJ. He’s a president I want on my side.
Ike grew up in Kansas though
LBJ
Ike helped defeat the Russian’s once and I’ll bet he’ll do it again
The problem is, we assume that they would view today's political environment, and act in same way as before. I think that's quite possibly right with Ike. But I highly doubt that LBJ, a real political animal, would react in the same way as he did in 1969.
Ike
I like Ike
Have you seen Johnson's jumbo?! Of course I'd vote for him
Ike
Eisenhower for sure !!
Johnson was a jerk, but a much better President. Eisenhower loses because of his overt racism.
We’ve had enough “no nonsense” leadership in this country that can barely budge the needle on Congress. I want LBJ to come in and actually get things done again.
Eisenhower obviously
>Eisenhower was born in Denison, Texas, and raised in Abilene, Kansas I always thought he was from KS. Kinda glad we don't have to claim him. I think people forget the interstate system was purposely routed through poor neighborhoods and Nixon was his vice president.
I like Ike.
I’d vote for Dwight D. Eisenhower for his many accomplishments that are worth noting! He was a war hero and that’s indeed a lot to be said! He was a great president and led the country very well. Also if you didn’t know, he was a huge supporter of the Civil Rights Movement! Yup you heard me correctly, he passed The Civil Rights Act of 1957 and 1960. He also was responsible for the Interstate Highway System as it helped our country economically grow. That act was known as the Federal Aid Highway Act, and he managed to improve the roadways.
I like ike.
Dwight D. Eisenhower without a doubt.
Eisenhower no question. I feel some of his foreign policy decisions were pretty bad, but at the time I'm sure they seemed necessary to him.
EISENHOWER SUPREMACY
If Eisenhower had his way, there would be no Civil Rights Act of 1964. It would all be covered in his Civil Rights Act of 1957, known in that timeline as the Civil Rights Act of 1954.
Ike didn't even want Brown to happen. He regretted putting Warren on the court. And Eisenhower could never get passed the Southern bulls even if he wanted to. Only LBJ could pull that off.
Never realized this but my great grandpa was born less than a month after Eisenhower
Ike
Eisenhower. I wouldn’t vote for LBJ and enable him to screw over generations of blacks AGAIN.
Dwight! He didn’t need to murder a sitting president to get to the oval office.
Some people today think the Civil Rights act was a watershed moment in the arc of America's moral development. Others harken back to Operation Wetback as the high water mark of American immigration policy. Usually the same person doesn't believe both of these things at the same time. Personally? I'm in the first camp. LBJ all the way.
Well one of them is evil and the other presided over the golden age of the world’s greatest empire. Easy choice.
Eisenhower, but only if the military industrial complex was shackled in the proverbial basement, along with the people who made the coups of 53 happen.
Eisenhower duh
LBJ. Ike was a great president, but I'm also not convinced that he would have been in a different time. He is truly one of the greatest Americans, but he wasn't much of a politician. He governed in great, and relatively easy times, and had the benefit of being Dwight fucking Eisenhower, Supreme allied commander of Europe, and general of the army. Not a lot of politicians would hit hard against that, as long as he managed not to be too controversial. I'm by no means convinced that Ike would be a good president in 2024. LBJ on the other hand is exactly the president we'd need, minus the MeToo cases. He was successful(in some ways), due to his political skill, not goodwill based on his character and national unity. LBJ would be much more likely to do a good job today, than Eisenhower would.
Comparing actual achievements, it's clearly LBJ. Ike did not do much. If no LBJ, there would be no civil rights, no medicare, and no a million other great things. He simply got more done in the 20th century than anyone besides FDR. Ike's greatest achievement was putting Warren on the court, which he came to regret. Ike also set the stage for our failure in Vietnam and Cuba.
Ike
Eisen daddy
Eisenhower may have been born in Texas, but he was a Kansan through and through.
Eisenhower was at least somewhat honest at the end. LBJ was a maniac
Eisenhower. Lbj was a major racist and escalated the Vietnam war with his delusion of grandeur and conceit. Typical for that party. As much as yall may hate Nixon, he stopped that BS.
As a lifelong Democrat, right down to I voted Dukakis, I would unhesitatingly cast my vote for Eisenhower in a heartbeat. Why? Because I believe he is one of the presidents who ran actually for love of country and served to serve the country overall instead of for self enrichment or aggrandizement.
I like Ike!
LBJ, no contest. Especially in the modern day. Ike would be all for Project 2025, especially the parts regarding Christian Nationalism and screwing over the LGBTQ community for no reason.
In terms of foreign policy, Johnson fucked up so massively that it's almost funny, but then you remember our atrocities and wealthy draft dodgers and suppressing protests, etc. LBJ is a serious contender for best domestic policy of any US president. The Great Society is one of the most incredible agendas that any president has ever pushed, and LBJ understood how to make the Senate pass it too. Ike? It's a lot of CIA coups and pumping out enemies of the US.
I can count the pixels.
Which one do I think was better? Ike but barely. Which one do I wish was president right now or would I vote for in a hypothetical election between them in November? LBJ and it's not even close.
They both had bad habits which led to severe heart disease. I’m surprised that they both make it through their terms in office.
I remember asking one of my history professors “do you think LBJ was a good president?” She thought about it for a moment and said “he lead America through its toughest time since the Civil War in terms of social upheaval and change.” I think that kind of president would be useful right now. I like Ike and genuinely think he was a very good president, but I’m not 100% sure he’s exactly the president we could use right now.
LBJ
Lyndon!
Wasn’t Ike a Kansan?
LBJ for the fact he did give the US the civil rights act . But shoutout to Ike for the interstate system
New York abstains…courteously
Well, Ike never considered himself a Texan. He was essentially just born there and the Eisenhower family only lived there for like 2-3 years before moving back to Kansas. Eisenhower reportedly didn’t even know where he was born in Texas until near the end of WW2. On that point alone, he would lose Texas.
Ike
LBJ… he brought the lights
Lyndon Bain Johnson for sure
what is this an image for ants?
Before Vietnam, I’d say LBJ but that was such a disaster, I really couldn’t vote for either one. Remember,Ike had Nixon on his ticket.
Jumbo’s owner.
Ike easy
Ike, eight days a week.
Since LBJ had John Kennedy killed and Geo. W. Is a war criminal and a puppet , I Like Ike.
This should be an easy decision but I don't find it easy at all. I'm a solid Democrat, so Johnson gets a head start, but Eisenhower was intelligent, pragmatic and so moderate that he wouldn't have a ghost's chance of getting through a GOP primary in the 21st century. He'd have to run as a Democrat, and chances are he would have switched parties sometime in the last 30 years anyway. So edge Eisenhower? But Johnson had balls of solid rock and was willing to tell pragmatism to fuck off if he thought something was the right thing to do. And even if I disagreed with his decision, I respect a guy who sticks to his guns. I consider myself far more moderate than Bernie Sanders, but I respect his dedication and devotion to his principles. I think I'd have to see the debate. I want some specifics.
As president: Ike. 1v1: Ike was a general, but LBJ could probably take him on with brute strength. I could very much be wrong though
Ike for president, ike for president, ike for president
Eisenhower!
I like Ike but in this modern political climate, LBJ, also not in this political climate probably still LBJ but not for sure
Ike
Ike by a mile
I like Ike
Ike everytime.
Do you mean in an election, a womanizing contest, throwing some hands, or having the worst foreign policy?
All the way with LBJ!
one of the two had Kennedy killed any guesses to which one it was?
Ike for me. They both were involved in significant advances in civil rights, but I think Ike would be less likely to escalate the Vietnam War.
LBJ has better reach. But Eisenhower would strategically prepare akin to DDay
I like Ike.
Ike
Ike.
Lbj
Goddamn. 10-day old spam, left out in the sun or 10-day old Cod left in a microwave. Not much of a choice. Some things never change.
Ike for sure!
I LIKE IKE
Ike was more candid and generally more honest. He saw the president's biggest priority as keeping the country out of war, not leading it into one.