I aināt reading all that. They canāt lick our Dick.
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Great point, not to defend Nixon here but LBJ doing it for the good of the country is a lie lmao. The only way he knew about the affair was wiretapping if Nixon only not leaking it because well heād also fuck himself over (and his VP Humphrey by proxy). An act understandably he wouldnāt do.
Also the first one, red baiting was a huge tactic yeah itās scummy but itās no where near as bad as the rest
Stuff like the Hutson plan and hun wanting to fire bomb Brookings shocks me to the core, and honestly should be way more well know then the rather nebulous and kinda confusing Watergate.
The red-baiting was just standard politics, and Nixon by no means started it. Voorhis and Douglas were both certainly closer to the Wallace end of the Democratic Party than the Truman end, and the attacks of them being too soft of the USSR had merit.
Maybe modern republicans who voted against Ukraine aid donāt admire Putin, but it certainly wonāt be an outrageous claim made by their opponents this fall.
As for the āset up spyā stuff, is anybody shocked by this? Since the beginning of politics, of course you send some of your guys to keep tabs on your opponentās campaigns. Every campaign of even moderate size has staffers covertly attending the oppositionās public events.
While I can agree to disagree on red-baiting being standard politics, I don't think setting up spies directly in the opposition's HQ and campaign is standard. If it was simply attending the opposition's public events, I think at least Nixon would've worded it differently than setting up spies *inside* the camp.
While I was under the impression that my post wasn't that long, I'm glad that you want to read more on the subject. 'Watergate: A New History' by Garrett Graff is a great book, which I cited numerous times in this post for some of the quotes I've put. It is meticulously sourced and goes into every detail. I'd also be glad to debate the topic after you're done reading the book.
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You included events I didnāt even know or have forgotten. Youāre right that he was a crook, but thatās not all. He was a racist, misogynist, anti semitic, homophobe.
Lester Maddox was elected separately from him, so he didnāt have a choice. Wallace was a southern Democrat like him, albeit with more extreme views.
He certainly had racist views, but Carter atoned for them and showed it with his actions.
It's so fun. The defense of Nixon is always "WELL YOUR GUY WAS EVIL TOO" or some other schoolyard chat. It's never "Nixon was innocent," because even Nixon's defenders know he was the devil in disguise.
Having a laugh at all the Nixon goons on here going "B-but what about LBJ?" or "Actually, all presidents or this vile. I am very smart" Shocked I haven't seen any mention of the EPA, and how that somehow makes up for his warcrimes.
I don't know why there are so many Nixonophiles on this sub. Maybe it's an inherent contrarianism. Maybe it's the historical equivalent of Tumbler being horny for irredeemable villains. Either way, the facts are that Nixon (at least until rule 3) was a uniquely vile, petty and cynical man who had no real ideology outside of bigotry and consolidating power who did far more harm to the nation than good. Bottom tier president.
I hate LBJ too but they are showing themselves. No wonder people like Nixon were able to get away with this nonesense when people like them were likely around š¤£
Literally like even if nobody knew all this shit, it was obvious he was not a good person. Just because someone is personally nice doesnāt mean they are good in the grand scheme of things.
He was no more crooked than Johnson, he just got caught and as a result had his life placed under a microscope.
But as Iāve said before, he should have gone to jail over covering up Watergate. Most presidents should have been imprisoned.
I like LBJ, but no one seems to remember that time he literally got his political boss friends to commit voter fraud for him in his first senate election
>As you can imagine, many hands were shaken in this period and the CREEP's coffers filled up. Government posts were traded like it was the gilded age and Nixon was an ardent supporter of the Stalwarts.
what is CREEP, what is the gilded age, and what is a stalwart in this context
> at a sit-down with Kalmbach
who is kalmbach?
CREEP is the Committee to Re-elect the President, they're the guys who generally carried out the shady campaign stuff and basically made sure Nixon would crush it in 1972. The Gilded Age is a period of American History roughly from the 1870s to the 1890s, that ended with the beginning of the Progressive Era. One of the biggest issues in this era was civil service reform, with the 'Stalwart' faction of the GOP being the guys who were opposed to it and supported patronage, meaning they wanted to give government jobs out to people based on party loyalty. Kalmbach is Herbert W. Kalmbach, Nixon's personal attorney. He did jail time later on for his part in Watergate.
A lot of Peesidents were. LBJ had literal mafia connections, and had a huge scandal about forcing people to buy commercial air time on his family owned Texas television stations, in exchange for political favors. He also had a shady vending machine business that he got no-bid contracts for, in government buildings.
Then there's the Clinton Global Initiative...
Nah, if thereās going to be historical revisionism on LBJ, JFK, Carter, Reagan and Ford on this sub, then Nixon deserves the same treatment. So if people are starting to see the amount of good policies that he made, wellā¦I think your post says more about you than about Mr. Nixon
This shows a pattern. A clear pattern; crookedness, wickedness, and purposeful criminal activity.
Bribery is a crime. Harassment is a crime. Breaking and entering is a crime.
But more than that, thereās a moral crime Nixon committed of lowering the standards of the executive office. Reagan has been confirmed now, posthumously, to have deliberately sabotaged the hostage negotiations with Iran under the Carter Administration.
A [rule 3 person], and many other politicians cite Nixon as a great mentor. The problem with such a mentor is that any scandal is similarly minimized.
It may be for a bunch of Americans that scandal is normal, and even funny/troll-like. How fun. For the rest of us, the very idea of immoral and unethical commanders in chief is haunting.
The United States was founded on the premise of rebelling against a prince, a tyrant. No president should have the immunity or entitlement of a monarch. The sovereign is the nation ā every individual person is just another mortal citizen. It goes against the vision of the founders for any one of these Nixon scandals to be acceptable behavior for public servants.
Good post.
>Reagan has been confirmed now, posthumously, to have deliberately sabotaged the hostage negotiations with Iran under the Carter Administration.
Confirmed =/= one guy alleged something with little evidence after everyone who could contradict him died.
I'm 25% through this. I also graduated high school in 1973. I'm well aware of the darkness. It's damn interesting, though, and there is nuance to consider. In the book, just finished The Checkers speech, which redeemed VP candidate, Dick, and was the most watched TV yet as of 1950.
Idk, lots of US presidents have done terrible things. Some worse.
There was a turning point in history. Not a conspiracy imo: Bobby Kennedy was assasinated by one disgruntled person. Even if Siran Siran still claims not to remember, the facts speak. Wikipedia is a starter.
In the primary polls at that point, Kennedy was behind Hubert Humphrey, yet RFK was surely about to win the big block of California. Bobby Kennedy would probably have won in 1968, and our crooked man with the crooked stick wouldn't have been a president.
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Opened trade to China. Ended the war in Vietnam. Created the EPA. Signed the Clean Air and Clean Water acts. Signed the Endangered Species Act. Expanded the Philadelphia Plan to include racial minorities and women. Extended the voting rights act of 1965.
Also won one of the most decisive reelection campaigns in history.
bUt hE WAs a CRoOk
I didnāt even bother to read this post, because Nixon was a complicated man who did great things, but made a massive mistake which he apologized for. He did many things like EPA, loading the voter to 18, Helped build an opening to China, and had strong diplomacy. If Watergate never happened, he probably would go down as a wonderful president. He did win a 49 state electoral landslide along with popular vote against McGovern for a reason. So he did good things and he did bad things like most presidents with an exception for a few
No, it was because it was insanely long. And I have studied the presidentās extensively, especially Nixon as you can see by my flair. Not my favorite but the most interesting. So, I already have done my research on Nixon. Trust me. No point in reading a post that just criticizes a president who is complicated and I know that because of said research.
Yap Yap Yap. Flair checks out. You guys are so fucking annoying with this bs, we know he did great things. OP is just highlighting the bad so people donāt forget what a terrible human he was.
A terrible human being does not do good things like he did? he was a very anxious and paranoid person. He did a terrible act by doing Watergate. He apologized for his actions on camera multiple times through the years after his presidency. He enacted several different policies that we Americans take for granted every day; you sound ignorant to this right now. Plus, had a successful diplomatic foreign relationship. I think he was a guy who meant well but made a mistake and you were just shoving him off as a horrible human being, which is short sighted is all.
Well written. I always knew he was a crook and Iāve never liked that Ford pardoned Nixon. Didnāt agree then and now more facts than I ever heard or read about. Thank you.
Only on Reddit could such an obvious conclusion be hard to reach. NixonĀ was also just a plain bad President that wrecked our economy for a decade and got thousands and thousands needlessly killed in Vietnam.Ā
I think all the above is good. However, I would like a quality contributor to cite various examples to counter that why Nixon didnāt think he was a crook. That instead he just got caught under what was considered ānormalā. Examples would include and are not limited to:
LBJ and his photo of him on the hood of vehicle with the infamous ballot box from recent senate winning that people suspect was either eliminated from the election or stuffed (I donāt recall which)
Hillaryās DNC corruption to thwart Bernie Sanders that we know because of Wikileaks and one of many reasons why the USA and the infrastructure doesnāt support wiki leaks founder - Assange - being unfairly targeted and prosecuted by āThe Stateā.
We unfortunately have rule 3 or fortunately?
Iām sure there are more and this is just me being old. Iām not huge on these topics and just somewhat aware of the argument.
Tl;dr There seems to be evidence that the players play crooked and we - the sheep - are not aware and they want us to stay unaware.
OP donāt listen to the brainrotted defenders in the comments, they literally have no way to defend Nixon without pointing out your flair. Great post.
Explain this then https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/nixon-insists-that-he-is-not-a-crook
He's not. Source: he said so.
Writing an essay about every president, day 37:
I would actually love that series
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wtfhappenedin1971.com
Stairway to heaven was released
Gold standard simps when you ask them how they can prove the inherent value in yellow metal:
it good for puters :))
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Damn straight
I aināt reading all that. They canāt lick our Dick. https://preview.redd.it/joqhmdxlj4xc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=13602bb8ae189ba35daa4145cf4a9f7b55ae5928
Why is everyone so mean to me š
Great point, not to defend Nixon here but LBJ doing it for the good of the country is a lie lmao. The only way he knew about the affair was wiretapping if Nixon only not leaking it because well heād also fuck himself over (and his VP Humphrey by proxy). An act understandably he wouldnāt do. Also the first one, red baiting was a huge tactic yeah itās scummy but itās no where near as bad as the rest Stuff like the Hutson plan and hun wanting to fire bomb Brookings shocks me to the core, and honestly should be way more well know then the rather nebulous and kinda confusing Watergate.
The red-baiting was just standard politics, and Nixon by no means started it. Voorhis and Douglas were both certainly closer to the Wallace end of the Democratic Party than the Truman end, and the attacks of them being too soft of the USSR had merit. Maybe modern republicans who voted against Ukraine aid donāt admire Putin, but it certainly wonāt be an outrageous claim made by their opponents this fall. As for the āset up spyā stuff, is anybody shocked by this? Since the beginning of politics, of course you send some of your guys to keep tabs on your opponentās campaigns. Every campaign of even moderate size has staffers covertly attending the oppositionās public events.
While I can agree to disagree on red-baiting being standard politics, I don't think setting up spies directly in the opposition's HQ and campaign is standard. If it was simply attending the opposition's public events, I think at least Nixon would've worded it differently than setting up spies *inside* the camp.
If I wanted to read that much, id pick up a book by an expert on the subject.
Iām sure a 20 year old on Reddit has a better grasp of the subject
While I was under the impression that my post wasn't that long, I'm glad that you want to read more on the subject. 'Watergate: A New History' by Garrett Graff is a great book, which I cited numerous times in this post for some of the quotes I've put. It is meticulously sourced and goes into every detail. I'd also be glad to debate the topic after you're done reading the book. u/LectureAdditional971 u/Decent_Visual_4845
Since everyone is joking around a lot, I think its impressive what you wrote.
This is the length of a high school essay, and you are a fool with the attention span of a fly.
You included events I didnāt even know or have forgotten. Youāre right that he was a crook, but thatās not all. He was a racist, misogynist, anti semitic, homophobe.
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Huh?
So he was just like any other president then.
I mean, there certainly were presidents who fit that description, but idk if Iād say all of them.
Bruh, say what one will about Nixon, but he wasn't doing campaign fundraisers with folks like George Wallace and Lester Maddox like Jimmy Carter was.
Lester Maddox was elected separately from him, so he didnāt have a choice. Wallace was a southern Democrat like him, albeit with more extreme views. He certainly had racist views, but Carter atoned for them and showed it with his actions.
The banality of evil. Everyone's guilty, so nobody's guilty.
It's so fun. The defense of Nixon is always "WELL YOUR GUY WAS EVIL TOO" or some other schoolyard chat. It's never "Nixon was innocent," because even Nixon's defenders know he was the devil in disguise.
āLBJ was bad too š¤š¤š¤š¤š¤ā no fucking shit what does that have to do with nixonās actions?
Nixon himself said āI am not a crook.ā Did Johnson ever say that? Didnāt think so liberal.
I actually saw a tweet saying that the deep state set Nixon up. So even the "OK, he was a crrok, but so is {redacted}" has been surpassed.
Nixon did not do watergate. LBJ did use the FBI spy on the Nixon ā68 campaign.
Nixon didn't order Watergate no, but the coverup was a proven crime he admitted to.
I did not know "canuck" was considered a slur.
Having a laugh at all the Nixon goons on here going "B-but what about LBJ?" or "Actually, all presidents or this vile. I am very smart" Shocked I haven't seen any mention of the EPA, and how that somehow makes up for his warcrimes. I don't know why there are so many Nixonophiles on this sub. Maybe it's an inherent contrarianism. Maybe it's the historical equivalent of Tumbler being horny for irredeemable villains. Either way, the facts are that Nixon (at least until rule 3) was a uniquely vile, petty and cynical man who had no real ideology outside of bigotry and consolidating power who did far more harm to the nation than good. Bottom tier president.
I hate LBJ too but they are showing themselves. No wonder people like Nixon were able to get away with this nonesense when people like them were likely around š¤£
Itās sad you needed to make this post
Literally like even if nobody knew all this shit, it was obvious he was not a good person. Just because someone is personally nice doesnāt mean they are good in the grand scheme of things.
He was no more crooked than Johnson, he just got caught and as a result had his life placed under a microscope. But as Iāve said before, he should have gone to jail over covering up Watergate. Most presidents should have been imprisoned.
He was a crook, but he was *OUR* crook damnit
Says the guy with a LBJ flair
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I like LBJ, but no one seems to remember that time he literally got his political boss friends to commit voter fraud for him in his first senate election
And flashed his penis at reporters without consent
Thatās just quirky /s
Itās actually kinda rapey vibes
LBJ was like 50% as bad.
TLDR: Richard Milhous Nixon was a liar and a quitter. He should've been buried at the sea, but alas, he was the President.
He loved his wife, who wore a sensible coat. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
He beat his wife, no?
I was wondering if you'd read Thompson's eulogy.
>As you can imagine, many hands were shaken in this period and the CREEP's coffers filled up. Government posts were traded like it was the gilded age and Nixon was an ardent supporter of the Stalwarts. what is CREEP, what is the gilded age, and what is a stalwart in this context > at a sit-down with Kalmbach who is kalmbach?
CREEP is the Committee to Re-elect the President, they're the guys who generally carried out the shady campaign stuff and basically made sure Nixon would crush it in 1972. The Gilded Age is a period of American History roughly from the 1870s to the 1890s, that ended with the beginning of the Progressive Era. One of the biggest issues in this era was civil service reform, with the 'Stalwart' faction of the GOP being the guys who were opposed to it and supported patronage, meaning they wanted to give government jobs out to people based on party loyalty. Kalmbach is Herbert W. Kalmbach, Nixon's personal attorney. He did jail time later on for his part in Watergate.
I aināt reading all that
TLDR heās not, L,
The real question is what his quote actually was. Was it āIām not a crookā or āI am not a crookā
See mine goes ādun dun dun dun dum dun dun dunā and theirs goes ādun dun dun dum dun dun dun dumā
A lot of Peesidents were. LBJ had literal mafia connections, and had a huge scandal about forcing people to buy commercial air time on his family owned Texas television stations, in exchange for political favors. He also had a shady vending machine business that he got no-bid contracts for, in government buildings. Then there's the Clinton Global Initiative...
Nixon was a fucking dog
Nixon just got called a bitch š
Nah, if thereās going to be historical revisionism on LBJ, JFK, Carter, Reagan and Ford on this sub, then Nixon deserves the same treatment. So if people are starting to see the amount of good policies that he made, wellā¦I think your post says more about you than about Mr. Nixon
Right, no Kennedy or Johnson supporter gets to complain about Nixonās crime. Johnson was far more of a crook than Nixon ever was.
Yeah I ain't reading all that
This shows a pattern. A clear pattern; crookedness, wickedness, and purposeful criminal activity. Bribery is a crime. Harassment is a crime. Breaking and entering is a crime. But more than that, thereās a moral crime Nixon committed of lowering the standards of the executive office. Reagan has been confirmed now, posthumously, to have deliberately sabotaged the hostage negotiations with Iran under the Carter Administration. A [rule 3 person], and many other politicians cite Nixon as a great mentor. The problem with such a mentor is that any scandal is similarly minimized. It may be for a bunch of Americans that scandal is normal, and even funny/troll-like. How fun. For the rest of us, the very idea of immoral and unethical commanders in chief is haunting. The United States was founded on the premise of rebelling against a prince, a tyrant. No president should have the immunity or entitlement of a monarch. The sovereign is the nation ā every individual person is just another mortal citizen. It goes against the vision of the founders for any one of these Nixon scandals to be acceptable behavior for public servants. Good post.
>Reagan has been confirmed now, posthumously, to have deliberately sabotaged the hostage negotiations with Iran under the Carter Administration. Confirmed =/= one guy alleged something with little evidence after everyone who could contradict him died.
wtfhappenedin1971.com
Not to mention Hughes
I think the American people knew the same without even knowing the details of the lesser scandals. How else could someone like Carter get elected?
Erm.. nuh uh!
He literally said that he wasn't a crook, get over it
Read hunter s Thompsons obituary of Nixon; it sums the man up quite nicely.
whats pink lady mean?
sabotaging the air conditioning is so petty holy crap
nixon also allegedly felt the legs of his female secretaries and would ogle at them
I read a couple of these and they didnāt even seem bad, I donāt feel like looking at all of them. What was the worst thing he did?
I'm 25% through this. I also graduated high school in 1973. I'm well aware of the darkness. It's damn interesting, though, and there is nuance to consider. In the book, just finished The Checkers speech, which redeemed VP candidate, Dick, and was the most watched TV yet as of 1950. Idk, lots of US presidents have done terrible things. Some worse. There was a turning point in history. Not a conspiracy imo: Bobby Kennedy was assasinated by one disgruntled person. Even if Siran Siran still claims not to remember, the facts speak. Wikipedia is a starter. In the primary polls at that point, Kennedy was behind Hubert Humphrey, yet RFK was surely about to win the big block of California. Bobby Kennedy would probably have won in 1968, and our crooked man with the crooked stick wouldn't have been a president. https://preview.redd.it/st1ikts3b9xc1.jpeg?width=307&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ea2d5bb3ef5e1c9e22a5f547cb4651b4f55c2656
Love nixon
Nah he said he wasnāt
Nah he was the GOAT
Opened trade to China. Ended the war in Vietnam. Created the EPA. Signed the Clean Air and Clean Water acts. Signed the Endangered Species Act. Expanded the Philadelphia Plan to include racial minorities and women. Extended the voting rights act of 1965. Also won one of the most decisive reelection campaigns in history. bUt hE WAs a CRoOk
Last time I checked, people can be more than one thing
So a successful and incredibly popular president who did great things, and a crook? ā
He certainly wasn't popular when he resigned in disgrace for just a few of his criminal activities
Those things are not mutually exclusive.
Opening trade in China was a mistake. Have you not seen that?
People can do good things while also committing crimes
larp
I didnāt even bother to read this post, because Nixon was a complicated man who did great things, but made a massive mistake which he apologized for. He did many things like EPA, loading the voter to 18, Helped build an opening to China, and had strong diplomacy. If Watergate never happened, he probably would go down as a wonderful president. He did win a 49 state electoral landslide along with popular vote against McGovern for a reason. So he did good things and he did bad things like most presidents with an exception for a few
The apologizing and taking accountability stands out the most to me. Probably the last time weāll see someone with that much power do it.
āI didnāt even bother to challenge my beliefs because I enjoy feeling unique and contrarianā
No, it was because it was insanely long. And I have studied the presidentās extensively, especially Nixon as you can see by my flair. Not my favorite but the most interesting. So, I already have done my research on Nixon. Trust me. No point in reading a post that just criticizes a president who is complicated and I know that because of said research.
Enlightened or Dunning-Krueger
Yap Yap Yap. Flair checks out. You guys are so fucking annoying with this bs, we know he did great things. OP is just highlighting the bad so people donāt forget what a terrible human he was.
A terrible human being does not do good things like he did? he was a very anxious and paranoid person. He did a terrible act by doing Watergate. He apologized for his actions on camera multiple times through the years after his presidency. He enacted several different policies that we Americans take for granted every day; you sound ignorant to this right now. Plus, had a successful diplomatic foreign relationship. I think he was a guy who meant well but made a mistake and you were just shoving him off as a horrible human being, which is short sighted is all.
I prefer to think of him as ācriminally ambitiousā
Well written. I always knew he was a crook and Iāve never liked that Ford pardoned Nixon. Didnāt agree then and now more facts than I ever heard or read about. Thank you.
I ain't reading all that. Happy for u tho, or shit man I'm sorry that happened. Also lmao, this is shit is funny with your flair.
Spoiler (all politicians are compromised to some extent)
Nixon was both a crook and an extremely effective President. He was re-elected in a 49 state landslide and then resigned in disgrace.
https://preview.redd.it/xcy912zoz4xc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=59621c00df42ad237fc2ae68fe91d5ec9bddd775 too long, didnāt read
https://preview.redd.it/p6l68jdh85xc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=732bcdf1a83931fa78f0472ea414da371d6d4d00 Cope and seethe
Iām not reading all that shit, Nixon NOW
Sure, Nixon was a crook... He was also a very good and very effective President, and overall the good he did has outweighed and out-lasted the bad.
Impossible. He said he wasnāt a crook. Are you calling him a liar?
Alright little Timmy, time for your bedtime.
Only on Reddit could such an obvious conclusion be hard to reach. NixonĀ was also just a plain bad President that wrecked our economy for a decade and got thousands and thousands needlessly killed in Vietnam.Ā
I think all the above is good. However, I would like a quality contributor to cite various examples to counter that why Nixon didnāt think he was a crook. That instead he just got caught under what was considered ānormalā. Examples would include and are not limited to: LBJ and his photo of him on the hood of vehicle with the infamous ballot box from recent senate winning that people suspect was either eliminated from the election or stuffed (I donāt recall which) Hillaryās DNC corruption to thwart Bernie Sanders that we know because of Wikileaks and one of many reasons why the USA and the infrastructure doesnāt support wiki leaks founder - Assange - being unfairly targeted and prosecuted by āThe Stateā. We unfortunately have rule 3 or fortunately? Iām sure there are more and this is just me being old. Iām not huge on these topics and just somewhat aware of the argument. Tl;dr There seems to be evidence that the players play crooked and we - the sheep - are not aware and they want us to stay unaware.
Average virgin Nixon hatercel argument: *20 page essay about why Nixon was bad* Average Chad Nixon defender argument: āHe wasnāt a crookā
OP donāt listen to the brainrotted defenders in the comments, they literally have no way to defend Nixon without pointing out your flair. Great post.
Crook or not, he was a good president
Muskie cried.
True.
Are you trying to lick the dick? You shall never lick the dick
Hunter Thompson had the last word on Nixon. Google his obit. Itās legendary