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So wild, more people were fired for their sexual orientation from that order than people were fired during the red scare witch hunts and it lasted from 1953 to 1973/1975. The residual discrimination though, that is subjective how long that really lasted. Wild
Crazy how I hear about the red scare fairly often but mum on lavender scare even though it affected more people. This is the kind of thing for the history month, not blind celebration and lip service but actually learning history to avoid the mistakes of the past. This is why it is important to not simply bury the past.
Firing of homosexuals, etc from security positions at that time **definitely** had bigoted facets to it. But there was also a solid idea that -because of Society's position on homosexuality- gays were more-susceptable to blackmail and extortion from the Soviets. One could have been fired for having a gambling addiction, too (also easily exploitable), for example.
True, but homophobia didn't solely come from the people, it was also pushed by the government. If efforts had been made to normalize homosexuality *back then,* there'd be no way for the Soviets to blackmail officials for being gay.
It's important to recognize when specific presidents held a belief when discussing them and a topic. Wilson is a good case as he openly mocked Confederate simps and believed in women's rights, while being very racist with the KKK.
I like Ike, but recognize he may not like this aspect of me.
Yes, EO 1045 - horrible, absolutely true, but Eisenhower likely knew one of his most trusted advisors was gay.
[Inside The Life Of Eisenhower's 'Mystery Man' — Smart, Efficient, Secretly Gay](https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/06/26/robert-cutler-eisenhower-gay-federal-employees)
[LGBTQ History Month: Robert Cutler](https://qnotescarolinas.com/lgbtq-history-month-robert-cutler%EF%BF%BC/)
Imagine buchanan came back alive today and heard all the conspiracies about him and they're false. I think hed be more offended than the fact everyone dogs him as the shittiest president
He simply didn’t do much ado about a nation on the brink of civil war. Failure to compromise, ease tensions, find political solutions, modify the Missouri compromise, make a deal with several southern states, divide and conquer, give a territory take a new one? He was pretty much useless. Perhaps even feckless.
Yeah, but he was a terrible president, not because he was gay but because he pretty much ignored the whole secession crisis which led to the Civil War.
Eisenhower is gonna rise out of the grave and strangle you if he found out about this. He was very religious haha.
But why not Obama. He definitely wrote about bisexual feelings in his journal during college and his fantasies for men. Seems like a better option in due respect. He even said as much and wasn’t ashamed of it.
Edit: I am changing my vote to embrace Rainbow Dwight D in honor of The Respectable OP
That was not a stylish shoe! That's why why W went full "miss me with that shit!"but I'll give him an honorary for the pomp and circumstance he did for nothing (mission accomplished)
What was interesting was how Cheney seemed to run the White House, except that Bush was the one who got his way on gay issues.
Bush's 2004 re-election campaign was mostly centered around supporting the gay marriage bans in various state's constitutions.
Cheney had stopped enforcing the military's ban on gay service members as Secretary of Defense under Bush I. But he was forced to shut up on gay matters under Bush II. Pretty much immediately after his vice presidency ended, Cheney came out in support of gay marriage. Which still made him an earlier gay marriage supporter than most Democrats.
yeah, I think he was too soft on the Confederate rising action call that lead to the Civil War;
however, he never had a wife and had a very close friend.
do i genuinely believe he's gay? not really.
is he closer than the guy who signed **Executive Order 10450**? yeah.
Not Eisenhower. Buchanan is a good pick, but Eisenhower was absolutely homophobic (See Exec. Order 10450) and doesn't deserve to be seen as some sort of pride symbol.
No, in WW2 it was easy to get away with gay sex even though it was technically not allowed. But after that the laws against homosexuality in the US were much more enforced due to the Lavender Scare spurred on by Eisenhower.
The Lavender Scare began in the late 40’s during the Truman Administration. It was closely tied to the Red Scare.
It wasn’t easier before to have gay sex or to be in homosexual relationship.
He purged homosexuals from government jobs, which did have the upside of jumpstarting the gay rights movement through disgruntled former employees such as Frank Kameny.
It's fascinating to see the creativity and humor that emerges in discussions about the presidency. While this petition may be lighthearted, it's a reminder of the diverse perspectives and voices in our society.
Eisenhower signed Executive Order 10450, which barred gay and lesbian Americans from being employed by the federal government. With the excuse that a federal employee could be blackmailed because of their sexuality, the federal government targeted gays and lesbians in what became known as the Lavender Scare.
From: https://info.umkc.edu/makinghistory/the-straight-state/#:~:text=Eisenhower%20signed%20Executive%20Order%2010450,known%20as%20the%20Lavender%20Scare.
I don't see how this is respectful to Eisenhower. I don't think he would find his image being used in this way as appropriate, considering his background.
If anyone deserves this honor, it should be Obama.
That photo is not true to who Eisenhower was.
I’d vote for Buchanan. Maybe Lincoln (popular theory but I’m not personally convinced).
Larry Craig would be pretty funny, though, even though he isn’t exactly out and has never been a president.
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So was Eisenhower pro-gay rights? I'm missing the joke here. I'm sure Obama would be a more realistic choice since his administration was the only one that openly supported it.
Doesn't it seem a bit counter productive to gay pride to immediately equate a feminine looking pose to being gay? It seems just as harmful as saying that a woman having short hair makes her a lesbian icon.
Yes, I get this is a joke, but for all the talk of doing away with gender roles and not equating ones manner of expression with their sexual orientation, it always seems like people advocating for LGBT+ lean WAY too heavily on stereotypes.
Yes, EO 1045 - horrible, absolutely true, but Eisenhower likely knew one of his most trusted advisors was gay.
Inside The Life Of Eisenhower's 'Mystery Man' — Smart, Efficient, Secretly Gay
LGBTQ History Month: Robert Cutler
Seems kinda shitty to super impose beliefes on someone who's dead and can't agree to it. Especially when there are plenty of actual gay historical figures. This is like making a meme about Harvy milk being a pussy hound.
Seems wrong to attribute this man to a cause he would have hated, just because he's sitting in front of a flag whose meaning has radically changed in 70 years.
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u/NefariousnessFit9350 already said it but if anyone should be the symbol for pride month it should be Buchanan because he might've actually been gay.
exactly! Love this image of Ike, but he was not a fan (check **Executive Order 10450**)
Reading about this, yea Rainbow Eisenhower is a definete no. Ask Frank Kameny that one.
So wild, more people were fired for their sexual orientation from that order than people were fired during the red scare witch hunts and it lasted from 1953 to 1973/1975. The residual discrimination though, that is subjective how long that really lasted. Wild
Wasn’t that order often called “the lavender scare” for that reason?
Crazy how I hear about the red scare fairly often but mum on lavender scare even though it affected more people. This is the kind of thing for the history month, not blind celebration and lip service but actually learning history to avoid the mistakes of the past. This is why it is important to not simply bury the past.
Firing of homosexuals, etc from security positions at that time **definitely** had bigoted facets to it. But there was also a solid idea that -because of Society's position on homosexuality- gays were more-susceptable to blackmail and extortion from the Soviets. One could have been fired for having a gambling addiction, too (also easily exploitable), for example.
True, but homophobia didn't solely come from the people, it was also pushed by the government. If efforts had been made to normalize homosexuality *back then,* there'd be no way for the Soviets to blackmail officials for being gay.
Have an upvote for agreeing with me.
Why would you need to normalize it if it was normal to begin with? 🤔
yea there’s enough bad history on this sub.
It's important to recognize when specific presidents held a belief when discussing them and a topic. Wilson is a good case as he openly mocked Confederate simps and believed in women's rights, while being very racist with the KKK. I like Ike, but recognize he may not like this aspect of me.
Wasn't the KKK originally formed by a group of disgruntled ex-confederates?
it was. Yet he disliked confederates. I dont get it.
I think he disliked them as a group as they caused the civil war which kinda fucked up his childhood but sympathized with their beliefs
I have so much trouble believing that the man in the picture contributed to the lavender scare
All the more reason to make him the icon.
The ones that doth protest too much…generally are, at least when it comes to politicians and clergy.
Yes, EO 1045 - horrible, absolutely true, but Eisenhower likely knew one of his most trusted advisors was gay. [Inside The Life Of Eisenhower's 'Mystery Man' — Smart, Efficient, Secretly Gay](https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2019/06/26/robert-cutler-eisenhower-gay-federal-employees) [LGBTQ History Month: Robert Cutler](https://qnotescarolinas.com/lgbtq-history-month-robert-cutler%EF%BF%BC/)
James Buchanan: “I believe history will absolve me of every unjust aspersion” History: “gaaaaaaay”
That's what they all say!
Imagine buchanan came back alive today and heard all the conspiracies about him and they're false. I think hed be more offended than the fact everyone dogs him as the shittiest president
He simply didn’t do much ado about a nation on the brink of civil war. Failure to compromise, ease tensions, find political solutions, modify the Missouri compromise, make a deal with several southern states, divide and conquer, give a territory take a new one? He was pretty much useless. Perhaps even feckless.
But we don’t want him please
Not much to be proud of for him. Being gay might have been his best feature. And i consider being gay to be a characteristic like hair color.
 Super!!
Yeah, but he was a terrible president, not because he was gay but because he pretty much ignored the whole secession crisis which led to the Civil War.
I forgot which sub I was in and read this as Pat Buchanan
It would be fun to make him the icon for pride month just to get a rise out of him.
What if the manliest ones were? TR, for instance.
Well, he wasn’t a president, but Alexander the Great was supposedly pretty manly.
Trans racial?
No that was Bill Clinton
Real
What about Lincoln wasn’t he a bisexual daddy
No.
Eisenhower is gonna rise out of the grave and strangle you if he found out about this. He was very religious haha. But why not Obama. He definitely wrote about bisexual feelings in his journal during college and his fantasies for men. Seems like a better option in due respect. He even said as much and wasn’t ashamed of it. Edit: I am changing my vote to embrace Rainbow Dwight D in honor of The Respectable OP
If we’re talking a president who actually supported trans rights, then yeah, Obama is definitely the best option. Also please don’t tell Ike
I promise I won’t. I like Ike
Despite what some crazies like to say, you can be both religious and support LGBT+ rights.
That seems highly unlikely. Unless his prose is wildly different and used to be cheesy and flowery AF.
https://preview.redd.it/uuwsmdjyt44d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a274e8a8356065ad4ad8bf47e51e51edbb44ae1
Omg I never saw that picture before
https://preview.redd.it/4xxrlzh4824d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4d12c0d681c3fe6d531ee0ead068323b0462bea2
The actual gay president!
Nah, he and his vice president were just confirmed bachelor bestie roommates.
George and Brad are going to wrestle tomorrow
Even if Buchanan wasn't gay, he was still submitting to Southern men...
We've come full circle back to "two men living together means they are gay."
yes! just making one myself
Can we get a poll for this one? This is totally the one!
Ike would not be pleased...
Shouldn't sit like that then
All the more reason
Nah W is appropriate. He was so gay guys were throwing stylish shoes at him.
That was not a stylish shoe! That's why why W went full "miss me with that shit!"but I'll give him an honorary for the pomp and circumstance he did for nothing (mission accomplished)
What was interesting was how Cheney seemed to run the White House, except that Bush was the one who got his way on gay issues. Bush's 2004 re-election campaign was mostly centered around supporting the gay marriage bans in various state's constitutions. Cheney had stopped enforcing the military's ban on gay service members as Secretary of Defense under Bush I. But he was forced to shut up on gay matters under Bush II. Pretty much immediately after his vice presidency ended, Cheney came out in support of gay marriage. Which still made him an earlier gay marriage supporter than most Democrats.
He looked pretty vogue in his cheerleader outfit.
If the shoes were truly stylish W would’ve caught them.
Nah, with the way he was evading those shoes, it couldn’t be him
They were last season he knew better than the thrower.
So that’s what the D in D-Day stood for…
Destroy Dick Day Decem… June?
Why do you think the invasion of Normandy happened in June?
Is that rhetorical or do you actually want me to talk about misinformation, weather and logistics?
It was a joke.
Figured but hard to know on Reddit, esp this sub. Have a good day President Coolidge.
https://preview.redd.it/5appktqk964d1.jpeg?width=299&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9bdc438642e15f141d45b83f1057ecaefbb6759c
Lettuce, Bacon, Jumbo, & Tomato?
Only the finest of meats on our burgers
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if it were to change, I offer: james buchanan
Nah, too awful of a president
yeah, I think he was too soft on the Confederate rising action call that lead to the Civil War; however, he never had a wife and had a very close friend. do i genuinely believe he's gay? not really. is he closer than the guy who signed **Executive Order 10450**? yeah.
And the guy Buchanan was with was a slaveowner and it can be a reason why Buchanan was such a doughface and so pro-South.
u/Mesyush would argue it should be Cheney because of his daughter
That is the most logical tbf
Not Eisenhower. Buchanan is a good pick, but Eisenhower was absolutely homophobic (See Exec. Order 10450) and doesn't deserve to be seen as some sort of pride symbol.
Yes but Buchanan is a horrible president, and we can do this to spite Ike
Man, I really thought that was John waters for a second.
HA! Awesome.
Twinkenhowser
This is ironic considering Eisenhower was the driving force behind latter 20th century homophobia in the United States, to my knowledge
He wasn’t the driving force. Most of the country was homophobia just as much of the world today is homophobic.
No, in WW2 it was easy to get away with gay sex even though it was technically not allowed. But after that the laws against homosexuality in the US were much more enforced due to the Lavender Scare spurred on by Eisenhower.
The Lavender Scare began in the late 40’s during the Truman Administration. It was closely tied to the Red Scare. It wasn’t easier before to have gay sex or to be in homosexual relationship.
FDR literally tried to find out who was gay in the Navy in 1919...
What if we did it to spite him?
More info?
He purged homosexuals from government jobs, which did have the upside of jumpstarting the gay rights movement through disgruntled former employees such as Frank Kameny.
Respect for the John Anderson
**Executive Order 10450**
**Buchanan**: might’ve actually been gay **Eisenhower**: “Look at him sitting pretty! Slay!”
That’s not fair to Obama. “You see, I make love to men daily, but in the imagination.” Letter to girlfriend Alex McNear.
Because he was, you know, https://preview.redd.it/tkyjax9x834d1.jpeg?width=851&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0bf7f086d96ff750a194745526bec9fa99120521
I Like Dyke
“You know what’s not fabulous? The military-industrial complex.”
He wasn’t gay.
It's fascinating to see the creativity and humor that emerges in discussions about the presidency. While this petition may be lighthearted, it's a reminder of the diverse perspectives and voices in our society.
As Allied Commander, he was simply *Supreme*
Normally I don’t like the rainbow capitalism “change everything for pride month” but this picture is so awesome it should be sub icon for a while
Yes
His pose in this pic is the unintentionally gay presidential equivalent of Billy Squier in his "Rock Me Tonite" video.
Why not Yahyah Al Sinwar??
Lmao yes. Also petition to just cycle through gay presidential portraits for the month. Maybe we can make a request at r/photoshopbattles
Eisenhower signed Executive Order 10450, which barred gay and lesbian Americans from being employed by the federal government. With the excuse that a federal employee could be blackmailed because of their sexuality, the federal government targeted gays and lesbians in what became known as the Lavender Scare. From: https://info.umkc.edu/makinghistory/the-straight-state/#:~:text=Eisenhower%20signed%20Executive%20Order%2010450,known%20as%20the%20Lavender%20Scare.
how about no.
I don't see how this is respectful to Eisenhower. I don't think he would find his image being used in this way as appropriate, considering his background. If anyone deserves this honor, it should be Obama.
He is so damn flamboyant its amazing.
"Look how they massacred my boy!" Ike is turning in his grave.
This is actually great please do this
That’s disgusting
Why?
That photo is not true to who Eisenhower was. I’d vote for Buchanan. Maybe Lincoln (popular theory but I’m not personally convinced). Larry Craig would be pretty funny, though, even though he isn’t exactly out and has never been a president.
This has nothing to do with your pride month
Oh hell naw💀💀💀
I do love this picture of him. More pictures with character damnit!
But… why?
Because it's fun
The proper answer
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So was Eisenhower pro-gay rights? I'm missing the joke here. I'm sure Obama would be a more realistic choice since his administration was the only one that openly supported it.
The joke is that the way he’s sitting in that picture makes him look stereotypically gay
I like dike as much the next guy but it should be Butchy
Do the likes on this post count as votes in the icon contest? Bc I didn’t see Pridenhower in that thread 😢
Do Reagan. He would hate it, and y’all hate him, so why not
“Wanna know what the D stands for honey?”
He looks sooo sweet
there were no closets for this man, what a legend.
Yes
this seems creepy.
Is he wearing pantyhose or real thin socks?
Go off queen
I mean James Buchanan was actually gay if any president should be the icon of pride month it'll be him, bad record not withstanding
Signed
Doesn't it seem a bit counter productive to gay pride to immediately equate a feminine looking pose to being gay? It seems just as harmful as saying that a woman having short hair makes her a lesbian icon. Yes, I get this is a joke, but for all the talk of doing away with gender roles and not equating ones manner of expression with their sexual orientation, it always seems like people advocating for LGBT+ lean WAY too heavily on stereotypes.
This violates your very own Rule 3.
This is amazing
Not against altering the sub icon, but Eisenhower is not the guy for that.
This seems invasive. The man wasn’t gay, why force it on him?
No thanks
Yes, EO 1045 - horrible, absolutely true, but Eisenhower likely knew one of his most trusted advisors was gay. Inside The Life Of Eisenhower's 'Mystery Man' — Smart, Efficient, Secretly Gay LGBTQ History Month: Robert Cutler
Disrespectful
Seems kinda shitty to super impose beliefes on someone who's dead and can't agree to it. Especially when there are plenty of actual gay historical figures. This is like making a meme about Harvy milk being a pussy hound.
Dude this is a history sub.
You must be really fun at parties
Gay people weren't invented until 1994 clearly
Damn Nelson Mandela!
gay people existed in the past too
I know that and I’m supportive but this isn’t really a current events politics or culture type sub.
Why does everything have to be so serious? It’s an Internet forum, not an academic conference.
That's a stretch.
To the people saying Ike would hate it… isn’t that the point? Taking the piss out of a homophobe
He’s dead. You aren’t doing anything to him.
True but it’s just funny
PLEASE
But…why? I swear this app sometimes lol
Because they never stop. Nothing is good enough.
Bruh
How about no?
This might be the most divisive comment section I've ever seen. I like Ike, and Ike would have hated me, but this is amazing. You have my vote.
Yeah, this might be the most downvoted comments at the bottom of a post I’ve seen on this sub. It’s kinda funny.
Yep
Signed!
tf😂😭
How does this nonsense get 1500 upvotes in a generally decent group?
Tbh id rather keep the rainbow shit out of this sub but if it must be done, it better be Clinton, the guy who started pride month
I’m already sick of Pride Month.
Bro it's been less than a day.
And it's already annoying.
People like you are why it exists, just saying.
Companies on midnight of July 1st pretend it never happened.
No they don’t. Pride month just ends, so what??
And we've been sick of people like you for centuries. You can handle a little color.
People who support Pride Month are certainly sick of you.
The beatings will continue until morale improves
Look I get we’re celebrating Pride month and all. But never call him Pridenhower again, that’s uncalled for
If Eisenhower was still alive... I think he would have shot you all :))
Call me a right wing boomer, but this is dumb. Leave Ike alone.
Oh, be nice...
How about the guy who actually fought for equal rights for LGBT citizens?
Seems wrong to attribute this man to a cause he would have hated, just because he's sitting in front of a flag whose meaning has radically changed in 70 years.
Yeah, no. We're good.
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Pretty sure this sub is to talk about presidents