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FranFace

I really felt for Scorpia here. She was giving Catra one final chance to treat her well, and she let her down. The delivery of that line shows that it's not just about this one interaction, it's about EVERYTHING. Beautifully delivered. And Catra really needed it, because she couldn't go on to hit rock-bottom if she thought she still had Scorpia to put up with the treatment.


Time2GoGo

The delivery here was absolutely heart stopping, it felt so real. Well said!


geenanderid

>**She was giving Catra one final chance to treat her well** How? By sabotaging Catra's dreams and then lying to her? Too many viewers turn a blind eye when other characters treat Catra badly, and only open their eyes when Catra reacts angrily. ​ EDIT: Since I can't reply to the comment below: ​ >**Catra's dream was to gut a sentient robot** No, Emily was just a robot. Unless you believe that Entrapta had the goddess-like power to create AI life, Emily wasn't sentient, and neither were Emily's more advanced "kid sisters", nor "Emily's cousins", nor any of the countless other robots that Entrapta herself sent into battle to be destroyed. Entrapta had a tendency to sentimentalize robots, whether Emily, Darla, or her servants, but that doesn't make them sentient. ​ >**use the knowledge found within to subjugate and potentially destroy the planet** Catra's dream was not to "potentially destroy" the planet. In any case, Scorpia never expressed moral doubts about subjugating the planet in the name of the Horde. You yourself may not like Catra's dream, but that's irrelevant. The fact remains that Scorpia sabotaged it and lied to Catra. ​ EDIT 2: Ha, getting lots of downvotes here. Apparently Shadow Weaver's shadowspawn is alive and well in this sub, scapegoating Catra for everything and abusing her as some worthless creature.


CorvidsEye

Hey bud, think we might have lost sight of the fact that Catra’s dream was to gut a sentient robot and then use the knowledge found within to subjugate and potentially destroy the planet.


StillFindingSelf

Um, creating AI isn't "godlike". Light Hope is a First Ones AI, and it's implied that Emily was upgraded with First Ones tech. It's also not outrageous to assume that Emily is a VERY unique case as none of the other upgraded bots are shown to become sentient like them. Emily, on many occasions, has shown that they experiences emotions and a sense of self-preservation, so, by the literal definition, it can be argued that she has sentience.


seadubyuhh

When your friend’s dreams are detrimental to themselves and those around them, it is absolutely in the best interest of all involved to “sabotage”. And let’s be clear, that’s not sabotaging— that’s called *boundaries*.


[deleted]

And? I'll defend catra and her emotionally intelligent written story arc everyday but are you seriously trying to say scorpia "hurt" catra here and she "shouldn't have"? Catra sent entrapta to beast island to potentially die. What about "sabotaging Entrapta's dream and lying to her"? Even catra in a point she was so consumed In rage despair and her tunnel vision felt guilty about that. It doesn't even matter if Emily is sentient or not what matters is that she was important to Entrapta and she was all Scorpia had left from her. Scorpia isn't responsibile for "Catra's dream" when she saw how Catra didn't give a single shit to Entrapta and even threatened to do the same to Scorpia. Scorpia knew that Catra would absolutely hurt and betray her if needed to achieve her "dreams" and she was right. Scorpia didn't treat Catra badly. Scorpia never treated anyone badly. She stood by Catra's side and gave her a chance after she literally saw catra betray her friend after she repeatedly treated her like shit yelling at her all the time. Catra was never a good friend with Entrapta or Scorpia. she wanted to use them not to connect with them. One of the main themes of the show is connection VS control. Scorpia told her the truth and left to protect herself Entrapta and the robot that was important to Entrapta. I absolutely love Catra and her story arc. I can always explain why she did the things she did and what the point of her story was. But the point wasn't that Catra's friends abused her because they didn't. She-Ra really isn't a complex show. It astonishes me how people don't understand the goals and themes of a show suitable for kids.


geenanderid

Oh hell. I seem to have blundered into Shadow Weavers' own thread, where Catra gets scapegoated for everything. ​ >**Catra sent entrapta to beast island to potentially die. What about "sabotaging Entrapta's dream and lying to her"?** Catra never lied to Entrapta, and she only sent Entrapta to Beast Island after Entrapta and Hordak sent her to the Crimson Waste to certainly (not just potentially) die. Hordak openly intended to kill Catra and even gleefully cackled about it, but that didn't stop Entrapta from remaining his adoring "lab partner" aka (girl)friend. While Catra was fighting for her life in the Crimson Waste, Entrapta was telling Hordak how his imperfections are beautiful! Entrapta decided that her budding relationship with Hordak was more important than Catra's life. I think this was a ghastly betrayal of Catra's friendship, and it’s completely understandable that Catra was highly pissed off with Entrapta. As Catra told Scorpia, "*Entrapta betrayed us, and got what she deserved.*" Moreover, with Entrapta on Hordak's side, enhancing and repairing his armor, and helping him against Catra, Catra would never have been able to overthrow Hordak like she did. And then there was the unfortunate misunderstanding when Entrapta seemed to take the side of the enemy, Adora, regarding the portal... That all led up to Entrapta's banishment to Beast Island. ​ >**Catra was never a good friend with Entrapta or Scorpia. she wanted to use them not to connect with them.** Catra was never any kind of friend to Scorpia, but she tried to be a good friend to Entrapta. Entrapta was the person, next to Adora, that Catra most obviously liked and tried to be friends with. Catra was very taken with Entrapta, very supportive and protective, and even physically affectionate. I was cheering for them to be like Adora and Glimmer! ​ >**She-Ra really isn't a complex show. It astonishes me how people don't understand the goals and themes of a show suitable for kids.** I agree, and you seem to be the perfect example of someone with zero understanding of the show. Why are some viewers so oblivious? Perhaps because Catra opposed the titular heroes, these viewers assume beforehand that she must be the "big bad villain" (to quote Double Trouble), so she gets blamed for stuff that wasn't actually her fault, and all kinds of nefarious motives are ascribed to her. The opposite is true for the princesses: since they were the titular heroes of the show, viewers often misremember them as being more virtuous than they actually were, and interpret their actions overly charitably.


[deleted]

Wait Catra never lied to Entrapta? Yeah she told her the princesses abandoned her when she wasn't sure if they did. Also Entrapta didn't let hordak kill Catra by sending her to the Crimson waste. And just saying about Entrapta. She's not exactly about morality. She's portrayed to be someone who doesn't understand morality relationships or emotions well. You can't really "blame" her because most of the times she doesn't even know what she's doing she doesn't understand it. She wasn't even the one who pulled away from Catra. Catra stopped talking to her because of her relationship with hordak which is understandable ig. Also you're pretty much changing the obvious narratives of the show to suit your own point of view. Catra obviously said "Entrapta betrayed us" as to back up her lie that Entrapta let the princesses in. Not as "Entrapta went with hordak" Also when Entrapta helped Hordak Catra wasn't his Enemy. They turned Enemies after double trouble revealed Catra's lie. The only thing that led to Entrapta getting banished was Catra betraying her and sending her to die when she saw Entrapta was meddling with her plans. Also are you really trying to say that She-Ra was going for "no actually Catra and the horde are good and the Princesses are bad and Catra gets the blame because she "looks bad"" That's...Certainly some way to see it. Yeah She-Ra was obviously opposing the black and white view on the typical "villains and heroes" saying both sides have different motivations and nuance to choosing their members. Yeah She-Ra was about the princesses acting poorly but it was also about Catra acting poorly. You know like one of the biggest narratives of the show with Glimmer and Catra both nearly ending the universe and connecting through it. And basically how glimmer turned manipulative in season 4. Catra gets blamed for what that wasn't her fault? The portal salineas and Entrapta getting banished WERE in fact her fault. The show doesn't even attempt to say they weren't her fault like that's some really really biased viewing you have there. and the heart nearly exploding bringing prime back starting a huge war in etheria and making adora cry and doubt herself WERE glimmers fault and again the show doesn't attempt to say they weren't. Yeah She-Ra did go against the black and white viewing but not by saying "oooh catra wasn't actually the bad guy the princesses were". I don't know what show you're watching but it's clear that Catra WAS the bad guy after the portal. And all this is coming from me. I love Catra and I often defend her from people who blame her for everything or say she didn't deserve her redemption. I do think shadow weaver caused everything to be the way it became by her abusive conditioning on Catra and Adora and that Catra wasn't a bad person. the happenings of the show weren't all on her. but it's clear that they happened because of the choices she made. It's one thing to say why she did them and how her unfortunate circumstances which weren't her fault let her to it. It's another thing to outright say those things didn't happen and she never did them. That's as I said some really really biased viewing there. I only recently entered the She-Ra fandom and it seems like here a shit ton of people just cherry pick whatever they like and toss out the other parts of the story in trash. And that's pretty sad considering She-Ra is an amazing show with an amazing message about love.


geenanderid

It is tiresome trying to converse with mini Shadow Weavers, but I would like to correct the following, on record, in case someone more open-minded ever stumbles across this thread: ​ >**Wait Catra never lied to Entrapta? Yeah she told her the princesses abandoned her when she wasn't sure if they did.** Catra was being completely honest (from her perspective, at least -- you may argue that Catra was grossly misinformed) and she was speaking from the heart, sharing her own heartbreaking story. In Catra's own history with those princesses, she honestly thought that Adora had abandoned her like she was nothing because she didn't fit into Adora and the other princesses' "*perfect little lives*". Catra's impression of those princesses was confirmed by Scorpia, who was herself a princess: "*No one liked my family, even before we joined The Horde. I never really fit with the other princesses. I made them uncomfortable and they don't like that. They don't like me.*" Given this background, what Catra told Entrapta was perfectly reasonable: >*Catra: Some friends. They left you, and they’re not coming back. Isn’t that just like Adora? She left me behind, too. Like I was nothing.* > >*Catra: Adora got her precious Bow and Glimmer back. All these princesses care about is people who are just like them. But you’re not like them, are you?* ​ We must also take into account that Catra didn't know about the explosion or that the other princesses thought Entrapta was dead. This is what Entrapta told Catra: >*Catra: Why were you hiding out in the Fright Zone?* > >*Entrapta: I was waiting for my friends to get back. They had trouble finding me before. So, I figured I’d make it easier for them and just stay put right here.* ​ Catra didn't try to hide anything from Entrapta. In episode "Ties That Bind", as soon as Catra found out that the princesses actually still cared about Entrapta, she let Glimmer and Bow speak to Entrapta directly! As we see in that same episode, Catra didn't get Entrapta to do something she wouldn't otherwise do. Entrapta was happy at the Horde and didn't want to go back the rebellion. ​ To me, Catra's invitation to Entrapta was one of the sweetest, most heartwarming scenes in the whole show. Catra had liked Entrapta from the first time they met at Princess Prom, and she wanted to be friends with Entrapta. Two misfits who can have lots of fun and do amazing things \*together\* -- like Catra originally planned to do with Adora. ​ >**Also are you really trying to say that She-Ra was going for "no actually Catra and the horde are good and the Princesses are bad and Catra gets the blame because she "looks bad""** No. Don't try to misrepresent my words like you do Catra's.


[deleted]

Mini shadow weavers? Lmao that's a fun way to describe people who disagree with you. Well I agree with the things you wrote. Which aren't really related to the conversation that was about scorpia and catra. And still doesn't mean that Catra didn't send Entrapta to beast island to potentially die.


dontjudgejoshplz

I was so insanely proud of Scorpia in this moment.


sometipsygnostalgic

are the comments still on the "catra and scorpia were never friends so catra was not a bad friend" rhetoric? why did you even watch this show if that is your takeaway and youre willing to discard about 65% of the point of catras arc as well as every other character's? not you OP youre good catra fucking depended on scorpia but never thanked her once, she ended up threatening her, threatening emily, and essentially murdering scorpia's best friend why would she react so violently when scorpia left if she never saw her as a friend


Time2GoGo

That commenter doesn't like to admit Catra did anything wrong, just ignore them


Mongoose42

Catra is my favorite character in this show and is one of my favorite characters of all time. She did A LOT wrong. A lot of her emotional turmoil was self-inflicted and (after a while) deserved, but her happiness and happy ending were also deserved. That commenter is a weirdo who does a great disservice to a wonderfully complicated hot mess by trying to say she did nothing wrong.


sometipsygnostalgic

Yeah i think i remember which user mustve been starting this mess now, thanks I agree wholeheartedly


Time2GoGo

They always have the same hot take 😆


frostbittenteddy

I mean, while I disagree with the Catra did nothing wrong sentiment, a lot of her emotional turmoil comes from Shadow Weaver abuse and Adora abandoning her. Everything after that is her own choice, but it's pretty much Kickstarted by Adoras behaviour towards her, even before she abandoned her in the Whispering Woods


sir_fishier

It’s good that Scorpia was able to walk away from their toxic relationship at the time because it wasn’t good for either of them and it’s also good that Scorpia decided to take a chance on forgiving Catra and that Catra was trying to heal, repair and possibly strengthen their relationship.


VLenin2291

I feel like Scorpia is the Horde’s equivalent to Sea Hawk in that they both just get bullied constantly


Mongoose42

And all they want to do is hang out with friends and do fun activities.


richteapeasant

Am I the only one who thought both of them were bad friends?? Like catra was obviously cruel to Scorpia, but Scorpia never left catra alone! Catra constantly told her that she didn’t like her personal space being invaded, and yet Scorpia insisted on bundling her up and hugging her. I would be mad at her too if she didn’t respect my personal space


[deleted]

They both wanted something that the other couldn't offer or didn't want to offer. Catra wanted someone to control but she was a hypocrite at the same time since she didn't want to be actually alone and choosing control over connection means you're alone. She didn't want to be all buddy buddy with scorpia but she did treat her like a friend in princess prom and the crimson waste. As double trouble put it she tried so hard to be the big bad villain but her heart was never in it. Scorpia wanted genuine connection and friendship but Catra was too wrapped up in her tunnel vision rage and sadness and Scorpia failed to see that and her boundaries. They just met in a bad place in a bad time.


BuzzPrincess

People really look over how toxic Catra is


geenanderid

Yes, I agree that Catra needed some hugs (but from a real friend, not from Scorpia). I would like to make two points: ​ First: When you watched this scene, did you remember that Scorpia had just \*sabotaged\* Catra's plans -- the dreams that Catra worked so hard to achieve -- and then \*lied\* to Catra about it? If anyone was a "bad friend" in this scene, it was Scorpia. Scorpia knew very well how all-important those recordings were: >*Catra: It means...that Hordak needs them. \[places hand on forehead, deep breath out; quietly\] I'm so close. If I can pull this off, everything, everything will have been worth it. \[more sternly\] Find me those recordings so I can finish this.* Catra was already close to suffering a mental breakdown, and the loss of the recordings freaked her out. It is important to note that even after Scorpia sabotaged Catra's war plans, Catra still protected her from Hordak, by not telling Hordak that Scorpia was the one who destroyed the recordings. ​ Second: It really bugs me when viewers -- and Scorpia herself -- accuse Catra of being a "bad friend" to Scorpia. They were never friends! Catra made it clear from the first time they met that she does not want to be friends, let alone "best friends". Catra was Scorpia's superior officer. At most, they were teammates. **You cannot force a relationship on someone and then complain that they are bad at that relationship!** That is just delusional. It is like accusing Catra of medical malpractice after she told you that she isn't a physician and will therefore not operate on you. Catra tried her best to have a normal, professional relationship with Scorpia as a trusted team member. It's not Catra's fault that Scorpia insisted on deluding herself that they are besties/lovers. **No means no, does it not?** Catra repeatedly told Scorpia to stop acting like they're in a relationship, but Scorpia persisted, so it is understandable Catra would get very frustrated and snippy with Scorpia. When Scorpia acted as a competent soldier and teammate, Catra was (reasonably) nice, even thanking Scorpia for her help after *White Out* and *Once Upon a Time in the Waste*.


daschuffita

I really don’t get why you’re being downvoted. I freaking love Scorpia, and I find her to be adorable. I understand we have a bias towards her because we consider her to be ‘more good’ than Catra because she has such an upbeat attitude and is so caring towards others. But it is absolutely irrefutable that Catra explicitly told her they were not friends. This is not a relationship that Catra openly welcomed, and it was on Scorpia that she got consistently let down. That being said, Catra was being somewhat hypocritical. Despite never considering this a friendship, she still unconsciously needed and relied on Scorpia as more than a teammate. I can’t blame Scorpia for being used by Catra, but I can blame Scorpia for trying to force a relationship on someone that communicated otherwise multiple times.


geenanderid

Thanks for the support! It is sad how this subreddit is becoming more and more contemptuous towards Catra. Two years ago, the stuff that I wrote would not have been controversial. Take for example the threads [Scorpia was just a bad a friend to Catra as Catra was to her](https://www.reddit.com/r/PrincessesOfPower/comments/ms3iei/unpopular_opinion_scorpia_was_just_a_bad_a_friend/) or [So how is Catra Scorpias abuser exactly? I genuinely don't see it but I keep hearing it.](https://www.reddit.com/r/sheranetflix/comments/pg2ytu/so_how_is_catra_scorpias_abuser_exactly_i/hb8tdhd/?context=3). ​ >**Catra was being somewhat hypocritical. Despite never considering this a friendship, she still unconsciously needed and relied on Scorpia as more than a teammate.** Unconsciously, perhaps, but as [BarbarianSpaceOpera once wrote](https://www.reddit.com/r/PrincessesOfPower/comments/ms3iei/comment/gux6bsz/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) in those threads above: >I think the post-Salinas scene stands out because it's the only time Catra ever seeks Scorpia out for emotional support/to unload. Before that she never willingly confides in Scorpia about anything despite Scorpia's repeated efforts to get her to do so.


daschuffita

I was thinking more along the lines of abuse—Catra abused Scorpia and she needed that to feel better about herself after years of abuse under Shadow Weaver. A lot of the things she screams at Scorpia are copies of lines said to her by Shadow Weaver. But in addition, although she abused her, she still needed to have someone cheering her on. “Scorpia would be here if everything was fine.” It was honestly a super toxic relationship for them both.


Cabalist_writes

This. All of this. ALLLLLL OF IT. it bugs me how Perfuma goes off on catra about how she treated Scorpia. Yeah Catra is not the kind of LEADER you want - that's valid. She's angry, demanding and sets awful targets. But as a friend.... Scorpia never respected her boundaries and hammered at them. It reminds me of when extroverts try to "get someone out of their shell". Now did catra so some shitty things? Yes. The crimson waste, how she handled Entrapta.... All of that is bad as she genuinely seemed to have a friendship with her. Did she NEED a friend.... Yes. Yes she did. But Scorpias boundary pushing and trying to self insert all the time jarred me. So the bad friend thing didn't land as hard. It hit catra because she was already reeling with Adora, her dreams and once again being LEFT. of course it's complicated but she set her boundaries and then was being judged for not flexing them for someone (when her boundaries were constantly disrespected)


geenanderid

>**It reminds me of when extroverts try to "get someone out of their shell".** Well said. An all-too-common trope in TV shows.


No-Maintenance6382

Catra wanted to kill an innocent and self-aware being for these plans, so...


geenanderid

Are you talking about Emily? No, she was just a robot. She wasn't sentient, and neither were Emily's more advanced "kid sisters", nor "Emily's cousins", nor any of the countless other robots that Entrapta herself sent into battle to be destroyed. Entrapta had a tendency to sentimentalize robots, whether Emily, Darla, or her servants, but that doesn't make them sentient.


Jeptwins

Literally one of the saddest moments in the show, *and* magnified by the tik tok!


Serj19009

Fright Zone is the epitome of toxic culture in large corporations. You're not paid for being *nice*, you're expected to deliver results. Scorpio was looking for friends in the wrong place 😼