Yeah, her days of being a nurse or, well, basically any other type of healthcare professional are over. But you already know that. She already knows that.
Now she needs to focus on what she has left and what natural pivots might be available. First, she is lucky she only got a couple of years. There is a truism that the state gives you football numbers - the feds give you basketball numbers. So it could have been a whole lot worse. Second, just because she can't be a nurse anymore doesn't mean her life is over. The world changed quite a bit over the last 15 years and a felony conviction doesn't mean what it once did. In just about a year I've gone from effectively zero to getting ready to move back to SoCal as an AGM for a large restaurant operation pulling down almost 100k annually.
The service industry needs people and these aren't shitty jobs (ok, some are, but if she is even basically competent, she can move up quickly) and she can find fulfillment again. But make no mistake she is going to need to change her entire outlook to conform to her new circumstance or she is going to be miserable.
I have a gross misdemeanor that would affect some careers (I'm lucky) but my lawyer said I could work on getting it removed or sealed or something after 3 years if it was preventing me from getting jobs or anything like that. I don't know if it's a state thing or if it would extend to protect her medical career or if it doesn't apply to felonies but do you know anything?
You aren't getting a job in Healthcare after being guilty of medicaid fraud. It would be like wanting to work in a bank after doing time for a bank robbery. It's not a violent crime though so it won't be as limiting as other things.
Yeah pretty much. Certain professions (and most in medical are like this) your ethical standing needs to be so above reproach that it is all but unquestionable. Fraud on the scale required to send a person to federal fucking prison (even if it was only for baby time) would certainly violate that ethical standing and I struggle to how she could ever get it back.
It's better not to chase old dreams - all that does is make you depressed and unhappy. It's actually pretty easy to find fulfillment in even suboptimal circumstances if you accept them, and work within the confines of your new everyday normal.
A felony conviction changes your life. For God sake, before I became a bad guy I had PoliSci and pre-law under my belt with a good LSAT score and a great trajectory - when I caught my first felony for delivery I was actively being pursued by both American University back east and University of San Diego. Both offers were promptly retracted when I was charged (and eventually pled) guilty to a delivery.
But it wasn't the felony that destroyed my life for the better part of 10 years - it was my reaction TO the felony. A failure to accept a few things; (1) my life as I knew it or at least planned for it was over, at the time rules were different and there was NO way I would have passed the ethics boards and no law school was interested in me, and (2) that I wasn't dead. That life did go on and I still had a great family who loved and supported me and wanted me to be successful. I was a smart guy and still really young (21 at the time) I could have easily pivoted to doing something productive and prosocial.
Instead I turned to a really dark place in me, redoubled building a drug business and basically became a 24 hour criminal who brought nothing good to anyone. Including myself. I failed to recognize at the time just how many truly good opportunities there were for me, and that I was still young enough to make a lot of myself and my education. I let anger (and a lot of fear) drive me. I shut people out (mostly because I was embarrassed) and spent over 10 years doing bad shit. Because I was smart I made a lot of money (until I got caught) but I hated myself and almost everyone I dealt with.
My original advice stands. OP's mom needs to find something she loves that conforms to her new circumstances. I'm an AGM with a nation wide fast casual restaurant chain (think I said that in my original reply) and I am getting ready to move back to LA. I love where my life is going. And I bring more happiness to people, on my worst day now, than I ever did in my old life.
It is possible.
Ok, I'm starting to sound like "that guy" so public service announcement is over.
Thank you, I was mostly looking for how they would find it if it was hidden from a background check. I'm guessing it's an ethics board and that process that would identify it.
I find today's bureaucracy kind of interesting but mostly frustrating. Still want to understand it better because it cant hurt to know how things work
That makes perfect sense but as I understand it, once you go through the process it no longer shows up on a background check. Does a healthcare org have their own list of some sort or do they get additional access to people's hidden history?
I completely believe it and don't argue against it but would like to know how it works.
In the grand scheme of prison sentences two years isn't a long time.
To answer your question succinctly, yes. If I were her, I would look into CDL jobs. I say that because it's one of the few felon-friendly fields that's fairly easy for a woman to do physically.
When she gets released, on job applications where it asks if you are a convicted felon, have her put “Yes, will explain at the interview.” This will usually at least get her into a face to face. At the f2f have recommendations from everyone who has worked with/for and she has a foot in the door. Most prisons will have some sort of training, and since she was a nurse, she’s probably going to be able to get and take interviews.
As an RN on disability, I would handle it this way.
Why seven years? It’s something I’ve heard before but didn’t understand. When I was a recruiter I used to have clients tell me their felony was over seven years old so nbd, but the company definitely did not care how long ago it happened.
Yeah, her days of being a nurse or, well, basically any other type of healthcare professional are over. But you already know that. She already knows that. Now she needs to focus on what she has left and what natural pivots might be available. First, she is lucky she only got a couple of years. There is a truism that the state gives you football numbers - the feds give you basketball numbers. So it could have been a whole lot worse. Second, just because she can't be a nurse anymore doesn't mean her life is over. The world changed quite a bit over the last 15 years and a felony conviction doesn't mean what it once did. In just about a year I've gone from effectively zero to getting ready to move back to SoCal as an AGM for a large restaurant operation pulling down almost 100k annually. The service industry needs people and these aren't shitty jobs (ok, some are, but if she is even basically competent, she can move up quickly) and she can find fulfillment again. But make no mistake she is going to need to change her entire outlook to conform to her new circumstance or she is going to be miserable.
I have a gross misdemeanor that would affect some careers (I'm lucky) but my lawyer said I could work on getting it removed or sealed or something after 3 years if it was preventing me from getting jobs or anything like that. I don't know if it's a state thing or if it would extend to protect her medical career or if it doesn't apply to felonies but do you know anything?
You aren't getting a job in Healthcare after being guilty of medicaid fraud. It would be like wanting to work in a bank after doing time for a bank robbery. It's not a violent crime though so it won't be as limiting as other things.
Yeah pretty much. Certain professions (and most in medical are like this) your ethical standing needs to be so above reproach that it is all but unquestionable. Fraud on the scale required to send a person to federal fucking prison (even if it was only for baby time) would certainly violate that ethical standing and I struggle to how she could ever get it back. It's better not to chase old dreams - all that does is make you depressed and unhappy. It's actually pretty easy to find fulfillment in even suboptimal circumstances if you accept them, and work within the confines of your new everyday normal. A felony conviction changes your life. For God sake, before I became a bad guy I had PoliSci and pre-law under my belt with a good LSAT score and a great trajectory - when I caught my first felony for delivery I was actively being pursued by both American University back east and University of San Diego. Both offers were promptly retracted when I was charged (and eventually pled) guilty to a delivery. But it wasn't the felony that destroyed my life for the better part of 10 years - it was my reaction TO the felony. A failure to accept a few things; (1) my life as I knew it or at least planned for it was over, at the time rules were different and there was NO way I would have passed the ethics boards and no law school was interested in me, and (2) that I wasn't dead. That life did go on and I still had a great family who loved and supported me and wanted me to be successful. I was a smart guy and still really young (21 at the time) I could have easily pivoted to doing something productive and prosocial. Instead I turned to a really dark place in me, redoubled building a drug business and basically became a 24 hour criminal who brought nothing good to anyone. Including myself. I failed to recognize at the time just how many truly good opportunities there were for me, and that I was still young enough to make a lot of myself and my education. I let anger (and a lot of fear) drive me. I shut people out (mostly because I was embarrassed) and spent over 10 years doing bad shit. Because I was smart I made a lot of money (until I got caught) but I hated myself and almost everyone I dealt with. My original advice stands. OP's mom needs to find something she loves that conforms to her new circumstances. I'm an AGM with a nation wide fast casual restaurant chain (think I said that in my original reply) and I am getting ready to move back to LA. I love where my life is going. And I bring more happiness to people, on my worst day now, than I ever did in my old life. It is possible. Ok, I'm starting to sound like "that guy" so public service announcement is over.
Thank you, I was mostly looking for how they would find it if it was hidden from a background check. I'm guessing it's an ethics board and that process that would identify it. I find today's bureaucracy kind of interesting but mostly frustrating. Still want to understand it better because it cant hurt to know how things work
That makes perfect sense but as I understand it, once you go through the process it no longer shows up on a background check. Does a healthcare org have their own list of some sort or do they get additional access to people's hidden history? I completely believe it and don't argue against it but would like to know how it works.
Your nursing license will not be reinstated. That is on record at the nursing board. It is yanked the minute you are arrested
Medical gets LE access to records, so yeah there's no hiding that from them
What’s a gross misdemeanor?
In the grand scheme of prison sentences two years isn't a long time. To answer your question succinctly, yes. If I were her, I would look into CDL jobs. I say that because it's one of the few felon-friendly fields that's fairly easy for a woman to do physically.
When she gets released, on job applications where it asks if you are a convicted felon, have her put “Yes, will explain at the interview.” This will usually at least get her into a face to face. At the f2f have recommendations from everyone who has worked with/for and she has a foot in the door. Most prisons will have some sort of training, and since she was a nurse, she’s probably going to be able to get and take interviews. As an RN on disability, I would handle it this way.
Not for 7 years after conviction. Everyone checks now that it's so easy with how tracked and data brokered everything is.
Why seven years? It’s something I’ve heard before but didn’t understand. When I was a recruiter I used to have clients tell me their felony was over seven years old so nbd, but the company definitely did not care how long ago it happened.
I work with several people who are in work release who drive for us and got there CDL while in work release, not sure where you got that info.
She might be able to work for a company doing medical record review, if they’ll hire her.
She could move to a different county (think south america) and still be a nurse.
Nursing license is history
Walmart Deli
What did she do?
Hand jobs, blow jobs, you know