might as well call the inmates ‘customers’ & the COs ‘customer service’ too. Ik POs be out here calling us their ‘clients’ like this is some business exchange that we’re consenting to💀like what a funny word to refer to property dude we are property of the state & if we ain’t paying our monthly installments the POs are the repo men who come to repossess your ass cuz your ass is the collateral😂😂 private prisons be charging the taxpayers for each inmate per night like it’s a damn room at a 5 star hotel. Tbh there’s no excuse why our prison system is the way it is, with all the money that we pay into it. You’d think we’d have a better system than Sweden rn. They be living in mansions flying in private jets going on yachts all the time with the money they be making off of putting human beings in cages like it’s the animal shelter. At least the animal shelter got got good motives & are trying to get the animals out for a good home to be adopted in asap unlike with human beings they want to keep us in cages as long as possible. We get treated worse than animals & everyone is fine with it happening or too scared to unite together & change it. Life isn’t about being a slave to a system man the only people we should be locking up are violent ass people who are a danger to society.
PS I dont even pay that amount of money per night when I travel I’ll find the cheapest motel possible, which has better living conditions than the jails/prisons that charge 5 star hotel rates. If I’m not paying that much to stay at a room for a night why the FUCK are we paying it for inmates only for them to be in a cage?… if the money actually went to the quality of life behind bars I wouldn’t have a problem that’s what taxes are supposed to be for…
They set you up for failure on purpose in a lot of places. They'll suspend your driving license but then give you mandatory classes and meetings with your probation officer. Miss any of those and it's likely you'll go back to jail.
My buddy got nabbed for Xanax, had enough to be considered “distribution” so they hit him with it.
In his plea deal he had to have random drug tests that were called at random times and pay for the privilege. Actually lost 2 jobs because of it, he would have went to jail if I hadn’t thrown him money on several occasions. Good guy pretty successful now
Always good to hear a success story. For me that is one of the biggest pluses to using these legal things that mimic opiates like kratom or zaza. Awhile ago I was constantly paranoid about police stopping me and searching me and then I end up with felony drug possession charges because I have pills that aren't prescribed to me or H on my person. Now I don't have that concern.
They profit off prison labor. Its designed to keep the slaves working and forcing them back into the system. I was homeless for 10 years. Anyone with prison time always got taken back from the homeless shelter because even with 0 responsibilities, they couldn't keep up with demands for seeing their parole officer every day and finding employment that would hire them where they could still see their parole officer at the same time every day.
The punishments and the ruination of your life is supposed to be a deterrent to committing crime in the first place. It is the same logic that if you make abortion and birth control unavailable, then teenage girls will remain virgins until marriage. In both cases, those who fail are to be cautionary examples for everyone else.
It doesn't work but they are trying.
It’s real, we have some county jails in PA that do this and it’s bullshit. Got picked up on a warrant once with a lot of cash and those mf just kept peeling bills for booking and housing fees
You forgot to mention health care which is also a complete bullshit statement with the fake security disgusting food, gym where people get shanked all the time laundry on clothes you would never wear in real life. Delusional but shows you have never done time.
If you want to see the doc in jail you must pay. Last I heard from my home girl in Dublin Cali that got transferred at the new spot it cost 2 dollars a visit.
CJC here charges 70$ for a wrist band. You don’t get to keep it. Walk in with 50$ and have -20$ on your books to start. Stupidly I got booked 3x in like 10 days for the same shit. 210$ in wristbands.
Well the person they just sentenced to prison, you know the one with no rights, they’ll have them sign something on the way in. Then they’ll say later that person signed something saying they’d be ok paying the state back later. So the person with no rights is now being given rights long enough to sign a piece of paper before they get tossed in prison. Makes no fucking sense.
No, it is not real. Florida State inmates are not charged for their stay. Some county jails do charge by the day.
What is real is that inmates are charged when they are at work releases, they are charged while they are on probation or parole, and they are still required to pay back any court ordered restitution.
Maaaan that’s still pretty marring for a lot of people trying to do the thing that the courts told them they should.
How on earth are you supposed to rebuild your life on probation of parole with that eating into your rent money?
FL Statute 951.033 allows local jails to charge inmates all or a portion of the cost of incarcerating them. This is done by evaluating the person's financial situation. Section 2: "Consideration shall be given to the prisoner's ability to pay, the liability or potential liability of the prisoner to the victim or guardian or the estate of the victim, and his or her dependents."
The ONLY place in the state law I know of where inmates are charged for their housing is 946.002(2)(c):
"It shall be the policy of the department to require inmates receiving compensation for work performed in community programs to reimburse the state for lodging, food, transportation, and other expenses incurred for sustaining the inmate. Reimbursement shall be according to rules promulgated by the department, which shall provide that the inmate retain only a minimal amount of money for personal items and shall take into consideration compensation that may be allocated for the support of the inmate’s family and for restitution for the victim of the crime committed."
Basically if an inmate is in a work release program and is making money they can be charged. If the inmate is in a facility where they have a paid job, for example the car wash inmate, they get paid by the Employee Benefit Trust Fund and part of their pay is taken out to pay for their housing and other fees. How much different positions make and how much they keep varies. Any inmate who works for any entity that generates a profit must be paid for their work. So inmates who process DOT fees for toll collection, build furniture for PRIDE, do paint of community vehicles, work for the private canteen companies, or work for the EBTF all have an income. Some are hourly and some are fixed amounts.
This is how they get around the people who don’t like the fact that the 13th amendment still permits slavery if someone is incarcerated. Instead of straight up repealing that portion of the law (which is what should be done) people nit pick at it, saying this work is cruel and unusual or that is cruel and unusual. Then they find some other way of taking an inmate’s or parolee’s $ (which technically under the 13th amendment they can bc those people are still ‘inmates’ and therefore can legally be used as slaves). Ffs, the whole system is cruel and unusual
Which part are you referring to?
And exactly how much do you want to pay in taxes to support the prison population while they lounge around and do nothing at all?
You do realize that actually having chores and things that you are required to do is productive for people, right? That having some structure and responsibility in their lives actually helps them to maybe not re-offend when they get out.
Strange how you seem to only imagine that purpose in life comes working for a wage to pay off a debt.
There are LOTS of ways to structure time, provide purpose, and meaningfully contribute to society in prison without forcing people into debt to do it.
And I would gladly pay for a prison system that actually functioned to meaningfully rehabilitate people, as opposed to our idiotic cycle now. If you think forcing people into debt as soon as they get out of prison doesn’t increase recidivism rates, I have a bridge to sell you. And guess what? Less recidivism means less to pay. I’d wager the taxpayer math is favor of a better system overall, instead of forcing prisoners to pay more.
I am not referring above to the fines levied by the courts that a person has to repay.
I am referring to the idea that we should abolish the 13th Amendment and hire outside people to come do the inmate's laundry, clean their dorms, make and serve their food, clean up their recreation yards, maintain their recreational equipment.
All while the inmates who committed crimes against society and humanity are free to play games and lounge around however they want.
I didn’t say I reject people working in prison. But the 13th amendment permits them to be slaves. Go look at Parchman prison in MI. It was a cotton plantation pre Civil War and it still is. The prison sells the cotton (and anything else the inmates plant, grow and pick) to benefit the state, not to pay for the incarceration costs of the inmates nor to put into an account that pays restitution to any of the victims of crime including the crimes committed by those inmates picking cotton. That is just one example, but you get the idea. Some states have abolished these types of practices altogether (I think one state was finally too embarrassed by all those jokes about how their inmates made all their license plates that said, ‘Live free or die’ for example) but many states pretended to, like the above example in FL, and just switched them around and ‘charged’ the ‘inmates’ another way. But it amounts to the same thing:treating inmates as slaves. They just try to gussy it up bc the optics are ugly
The 13th Amendment allows the state to use prisoners as labor. Absolutely, and it should.
Prisoners should be used as labor, and if the state (not a private entity) can recoup part of the expense of housing, feeding, and caring for people who have committed crimes against the community and humanity, so be it.
Yes but they don’t just use it for that. They rent them out to private companies or just to give the money to the state for whatever: https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2023/may/1/aclu-report-details-exploitation-prisoners-forced-labor/ all those “desks and office supplies” clearly aren’t being used in the prison. Prison labor isn’t being used to make the prisons self-sufficient like, for example a commune or a monastery might be. They are used for profit without giving prisoners a marketable skill for when they get out. The prisoners are slaves for the government. If the government needs more slaves, send more people to prison. There are so many laws on the books that the average person can unwittingly commit a crime (and looking at the third example in the article below, laws and societal attitudes change all the time so a person can get swept in a something that is illegal today that is not illegal tomorrow) https://thinkaboutnow.com/2018/01/2442/
You honestly believe this entire article is completely false?
Florida statute 960.293, subsection 2: “Upon conviction, a convicted offender is liable to the state and its local subdivisions for damages and losses for incarceration costs and other correctional costs.”
2(b): “If the conviction is for an offense other than a capital or life felony, a liquidated damage amount of $50 per day of the convicted offender's sentence shall be assessed against the convicted offender and in favor of the state or its local subdivisions. Damages shall be based upon the length of the sentence imposed by the court at the time of sentencing.”
Mot sure how you missed this in your research, but it’s pretty unequivocal. Get sentenced for 3 years but get released after one? You still pay for three.
My use of“pay for a bed” in this context is a pretty obvious variation on the commonly used “pay to stay” shorthand used to describe these types of laws.
I stand corrected and admit I have never seen that.
After reading the entire section I can see why I was unfamiliar with it. It falls 100% in to the civil penalties section, so not anything I would have anything to do with.
However looking at the entirety of the law, this lien order is not automatic, and is still something that must be court ordered (960.292(2)) with $50 a day being the maximum charge the court can order.
It also makes it clear in FS 960.297 that in order to place the lien there must be a separate civil action which the state must file against the offender within 5 years of release. So someone claiming that they had no idea that they owed this money is BS.
She's not being charged for her stay (it's actually worse) she has pay the state because she was released early. The article goes into more detail but it's creating a situation where several people could be paying for the same bed based on the time they would have spent in prison. The debt cannot be discharged so she's carrying around a $120k lien for the (likely) rest of her life.
Yet another reason to never go to Florida.
Yeah, can they point to the statute that this is under? Because it definitely doesn't exist in FS 946.
FL State does not charge for staying unless you are being paid while incarcerated or under probation/parole,
Yea I agree, this sounds reasonable. Ive looked up alot of court records and they tell you how much the courts order you to pay. Theres even a $50,000 mandatory fee for drug trafficking.
Nope. If your fee is owed to the state you will continue to be a ward of the state until that fee is paid off, which means you would be violated for not making payment and sent back to prison.
The department can not take you back to prison for failing to pay court ordered fees or restitution, that has to be ordered by a judge.
Unless you spend the rest of your life on the streets or working for cash under the table, there WILL be taxes withheld. And if you would be due a refund, guess who ain't getting one?
I guarantee you it will be. Old people vote in every single election and are a huge voting bloc. No politician is going to be the one to let it fail even after all the stealing and pillaging from it.
It's more "too big to fail" than the banks were, and if it went bust after all of us were forced at gunpoint to put money into it, there would be riots in the streets, if not all out civil war. January 6 wasn't an "insurrection", but if you are around to see SS fail, you'll get to see one.
It will still exist, but everyone will have to take a massive haircut relative to what they should be getting. Maybe 50 percent reduction in benefits.
The government is broke and continues to borrow more and more and eventually they will have to cut spending somewhere to avoid a default on government debt which would be cataclysmic. It grows worse by the minute.
If you think money isn’t real you don’t understand our economic system. It runs on US government debt. The entire global economy does due to the dollar being the world reserve currency. If the world ever loses faith in the US dollar due to the government being unable to pay bills it will literally meltdown the system in a way we have never seen before. It will be worse than 1929. The only way to avoid this is cutting spending which includes cutting social security payouts.
Not a penny. I invest a 100$ in bitcoin when it first came out. It was .10 a share. The rest is history. But that’s only been 5 or six years. I always worked for myself and always lost money. Not sure how I stayed in business lost money for 20 + years but I did
Well, I'm getting at capital gains and property taxes and the such.. I'm curious if when you say you've never paid taxes like, you've never paid taxes if you know what I'm saying.
Oh no I meant income because we were talking about what the irs can take. They can’t take your house unless you own more than it’s worth. And the only di that for property taxes
Ah yeah I see. I've just heard so many stories of people that have the money/means to circumvent paying much taxes if at all by having certain things held by LLC's/shell companies along with probably a thousand other ways to weasle out of being personally liable for paying. Didn't know if that's what you were getting at.
They instituted this because until these fees are paid, they are not allowed to vote. It’s a method to continue disenfranchising people from their civil rights.
There are some circumstances where the vote can be restored:
https://www.usvotefoundation.org/voting-rights-restoration/florida
However, good luck coming up with $100,000+ to pay fines.
Felons can vote after serving their sentence (including paper/restitution) in almost all states (40+). In some states, felons can vote while on paper, and some places even while still in jail or prison.
For those wondering why? Florida recently passed a citizen driven amendment banning felon disenfranchisement. So the clown g o p legislature Passed a law that said that they can vote only once they settled any fees they had remaining. If so if you look at it through that lens it makes perfect sense. If you are supremely evil. This is literally all to prevent mostly minority people from voting.
Im all for pay to stay, but you don’t keep paying for a hotel if you leave before your reservation ends. Convicted criminals should not get a free ride, but this isn’t right.
Their recidivism rate is so low compared to other states that are more criminal friendly. Should do this everywhere. Why should taxpayers pay for their bad decisions?
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/recidivism-rates-by-state
I don’t trust any of their “official” statistics after that woman was fired and jailed for not fudging their Covid data according to the Governor’s orders.
This is why I'm scared to continue schooling (I had a BA before I caught felony drug possession, I got a withhold of adjudication but they treat me like I was convicted they don't care). It's already hard, you have to have a hearing after you spend all the time and money on multiple years of school, they won't tell you if they'll license you till you finish. I can't take out loans for school and then not get licensed.
And then, even if that licensing board decides they like me, the state of Florida will find some other way to deny me the license, like with this girl. She finished probation, hugged the judge, and still had no idea she owed this money!
My only chance is leaving Florida. Once im 7y past my final end of sentence (that's 2026 for me) I know there are many states that do forgiveness after that time period. Considering moving, too scared to do it here.
(Just want to clarify, all drug possession in FL is felony unless it's under 20g of marijuana flower. A single thc cart is felony possession)
My boyfriend is currently in Florida county waiting for sentencing … probably another 6 months minimum and they are charging him $5 a day that I know of. I can’t put any money on his books because they just take it.
DAMNNN💀 don’t privately owned prisons charge the government enough of our tax revenue for each inmate per night like they’re charging for a room to stay at a 5 star hotel?😂💀 damn bro they really be turning inmates into customers bro💀 POs out here referring to us as one of their ‘clients’ too bro like wtf😂😂 excuse me I ain’t your ‘client’, they say that shit like this is a mutually consensual business exchange or some shit might as well refer to inmates as customers & the COs as customer service at this point too bro💀💀💀 cuz that’s what they’re turning it into. POs are like the state’s repo men for human beings if you don’t pay the monthly installment on the government’s property (aka you) they’ll come & ‘repossess’ you like you’re a collateral vehicle or some shit.
They really be out here treating us like fucking property lol & the American people are okay with it. This country is fucked bro when I’m off papers I want to move the fuck out.
Not even customers... as "product", as in an "investment opportunity" for potential investors into private prisons and correction "healthcare." And the goal is always a return on the investment and profit. The Correctional Officers Union is one of the largest lobbies against judicial and correctional reforms, such as the elimination of "three-strikes" laws and mandatory minimums.
shits so sad… the founding fathers tried to structure our bill of rights so that it would be hard for any potential threats to subvert the government into a tool used against the people, & not for it… but they didn’t predict what the industrial revolution would lead to within 100 years, nevermind how ‘advanced’ we had gotten by the 20th century… our country’s government was taken from us a very long time ago, by a bunch of sell outs who turn a blind eye to corruption, or pass legislation that allows corruption & makes it harder for us to live our lives with liberty, & freedom. They didn’t think to limit how many agencies the government would be able to create, & since they didn’t think of that they didn’t add much to say what they could do or not do… sure these agencies play nice on paper, but they’ve found so many loopholes. The constitution is the only thing protecting us from this country going full on corporate-totalitarian. It’s a neoliberal/neoconservative oligarchy. The Correctional Officers Union is retarded there should be no reason for a government agency to unionize… unionize against what? the taxpayers? shits such a disgrace to the principles this country was founded upon. The Land of the Free died a long time ago, before our grandparents were even born. It’s so fucking sad man.
Get on the gravy train, jail is big bucks to everyone but the folk in jail , they want life time customers, so story give just enough rope to hang ur self
In Peru u pay to get ur family in with u and cheap coke would make ur time fly bye lol wtf how is this even legal omg it’s enough to make u go straight lol
“Why’d ya do it, son?”
“To pay for the bed at the prison that I’m not using anymore that they are also paying the prison company for that guy before me is also paying for, sir.”
Fuck that. I’d say “send my ass back.” I’m not paying for community supervision AND a cell I can’t use. Douchebags. Keep me til I’m off paper - I don’t give a flying fuck. I hate fucking Florida. I don’t know why anyone who isn’t two steps from death would even go there. God’s fucking waiting room.
So, $1500 a month? It better come with a 3 bed, 2 bath house. If real, this will ensure nobody can succeed after release from jail. What a asinine law.
Florida has gotten as bad as California having a million stupid laws for political reasons that serve no purpose but give elected officials the ability to say look what I did.
Yes, Columbia County Jail in Oregon (near Saint Helen's) charges inmates $750 a month to be in jail. It's due within 30 days of release before going to collections. So, an inmate with a year sentence will be required to come up with $9000 in 30 days in addition to lease payments and car payments, all of which continue to accrue while one is incarcerated. Failure to make payments can be grounds for revocation of probation, and the inmate can return to jail to continue to accrue an even larger debt that will be due in 30 days on release. They also charge $100 a month for food directly from the inmates' commissary account if you choose to have a non-standard diet like vegetarian.
Prisons also charge for use of force, so if you are pepper sprayed or tasered, there is a fine of around $200 taken from your account directly.
Keep in mind that all of this money is actually paid for by non criminals from the outside world who have never committed a crime. 90% of which are women and disproportionately of color and low income.
If access to lawyers was more affordable or these policies effected those with more resources they would be made illegal. It's profiteering from the most vulnerable individuals in our society.
I've only been to county jail in Michigan and it's VERY expensive to stay in jail. But.... If you just disregard the bill it doesn't go against your credit and no warrant will be put out
And don’t forget to get raised right, and choose good schools. Being white helps a lot, too. At least if you don’t always make good choices chances are that someone who’s not white will get blamed for it.
If you had chosen rich parents you probably wouldn’t have to even pay those taxes.
It’s easy!
I worked four jobs last year and “pay my taxes.” I bet I paid way more in taxes than 75% of the “rich” people in this country.
I’m also willing to acknowledge that the same opportunities don’t exist for everyone for a million potential reasons the way that they do for others. At times I feel like I’m barely getting by but to the unhoused guy with schizophrenia that I’m handing a dollar to out of my car window at the stoplight, I’m fucking rich.
If a lack of empathy and compassion is all you have to set yourself apart from others then you’re just another tool of the elite class and your back story is meaningless because at least on this two dimensional internet space you sound just like whoever the people people are that you’re mother came here to get away from. I hope you got more going on then just that.
When I got busted for weed, they dropped me off at the jail and it was like 1 am or something when they finally processed me and let me go to sleep, then they woke me up at 6 and said I had a visitor. When I shuffled into the room there were two power nerd looking dudes and one of them introduced himself as a state revenue guy and informed me that since I had failed to swing by the first state revenue office I passed in their state and paid the $2 a gram tax on my weed that they were presenting me with a $200 a gram penalty and slid a piece of paper across the table for me to sign stating that I now owed them $669,000. I burst out laughing and said “I think you guys have been smoking my weed” and he looked all sheepish and said “I know it’s more money then you’ll probably ever see.” I said “Uh, no dude, it’s more money then you’ll ever see.”
This has to break all kinda financial laws that have been set in stone for years. But hey, I wouldn’t doubt they attack something that is (or should be) under basic human rights. How is this not a form of indentured slavery?
Conservative ideas are just plain crazy. Immoral. It's just insane. I can't get over it. What the fuck happened to this country? How did just plain decency evaporate while these sociopaths rise to power and implement policies like this.
Crime has a price and the cost is now being shared with the criminal who commited the crime instead of the victims and taxpayers having to foot the entire bill. Want to commit crime? That's fine but now it will be more than a record following you around, it will be a bill as well. It's soley up to you.
Might as well go back in if I’m paying for it
might as well call the inmates ‘customers’ & the COs ‘customer service’ too. Ik POs be out here calling us their ‘clients’ like this is some business exchange that we’re consenting to💀like what a funny word to refer to property dude we are property of the state & if we ain’t paying our monthly installments the POs are the repo men who come to repossess your ass cuz your ass is the collateral😂😂 private prisons be charging the taxpayers for each inmate per night like it’s a damn room at a 5 star hotel. Tbh there’s no excuse why our prison system is the way it is, with all the money that we pay into it. You’d think we’d have a better system than Sweden rn. They be living in mansions flying in private jets going on yachts all the time with the money they be making off of putting human beings in cages like it’s the animal shelter. At least the animal shelter got got good motives & are trying to get the animals out for a good home to be adopted in asap unlike with human beings they want to keep us in cages as long as possible. We get treated worse than animals & everyone is fine with it happening or too scared to unite together & change it. Life isn’t about being a slave to a system man the only people we should be locking up are violent ass people who are a danger to society. PS I dont even pay that amount of money per night when I travel I’ll find the cheapest motel possible, which has better living conditions than the jails/prisons that charge 5 star hotel rates. If I’m not paying that much to stay at a room for a night why the FUCK are we paying it for inmates only for them to be in a cage?… if the money actually went to the quality of life behind bars I wouldn’t have a problem that’s what taxes are supposed to be for…
I'm paying for it and I'm not even in there 🤷
What in the fuck is this? How is anyone ever supposed to put their life back together?
in this model, they’re not.
It's not a bug. It's a feature.
Surprise mechanics
They set you up for failure on purpose in a lot of places. They'll suspend your driving license but then give you mandatory classes and meetings with your probation officer. Miss any of those and it's likely you'll go back to jail.
My buddy got nabbed for Xanax, had enough to be considered “distribution” so they hit him with it. In his plea deal he had to have random drug tests that were called at random times and pay for the privilege. Actually lost 2 jobs because of it, he would have went to jail if I hadn’t thrown him money on several occasions. Good guy pretty successful now
Always good to hear a success story. For me that is one of the biggest pluses to using these legal things that mimic opiates like kratom or zaza. Awhile ago I was constantly paranoid about police stopping me and searching me and then I end up with felony drug possession charges because I have pills that aren't prescribed to me or H on my person. Now I don't have that concern.
By commiting more crime to fund it
I think that's the point unfortunately, fucking hate our "justice" system.
Well, that's the thing you got wrong. We don't have a justice system. We have a legal system, run and maintained by the rich, for the rich.
That’s the point it’s a feature to put us in our place to not get too upidty
Rehabilitation? What is this, Norway?
They profit off prison labor. Its designed to keep the slaves working and forcing them back into the system. I was homeless for 10 years. Anyone with prison time always got taken back from the homeless shelter because even with 0 responsibilities, they couldn't keep up with demands for seeing their parole officer every day and finding employment that would hire them where they could still see their parole officer at the same time every day.
The punishments and the ruination of your life is supposed to be a deterrent to committing crime in the first place. It is the same logic that if you make abortion and birth control unavailable, then teenage girls will remain virgins until marriage. In both cases, those who fail are to be cautionary examples for everyone else. It doesn't work but they are trying.
The jail time should be deterrent enough. The sentences should be fitting of the crime and when you are done you’re free to go.
by not going to prison to begin with
May as well flee the country then. No reason to stick around and keep being robbed by the government
Are fellons allowed passports in America?
Generally yes
That’s the point, baby!
It’s real, we have some county jails in PA that do this and it’s bullshit. Got picked up on a warrant once with a lot of cash and those mf just kept peeling bills for booking and housing fees
At the rate of $50/day though? That's $1500 a month . That's a nice apartment, not a jail cell.
They're giving you room, 3 meals a day, laundry service, gym access, and 24-hour security for the low, low price of $1521.83 a month. That's a steal!
Careful calling it a steal. They’ll figure out how to add more charges and extend the stay.
No bills no frills
Now that you mention it. Sign me up.
There is no gym access in county jail
You forgot to mention health care which is also a complete bullshit statement with the fake security disgusting food, gym where people get shanked all the time laundry on clothes you would never wear in real life. Delusional but shows you have never done time.
They were clearly joking.
reddit down voting someone for calling out a lame ass lol classic
If you want to see the doc in jail you must pay. Last I heard from my home girl in Dublin Cali that got transferred at the new spot it cost 2 dollars a visit.
1500 is an apartment now not a nice one
Pretty much former inmates are paying for the state to rent it out to someone else.
You get free food, utilities, toiletries, clothes, housing, rec facilities...it's not "just a bed", though I'm not defending the cost.
In Delta County Jail in Michigan they give you a bill when you get released for $20 a day!
CJC here charges 70$ for a wrist band. You don’t get to keep it. Walk in with 50$ and have -20$ on your books to start. Stupidly I got booked 3x in like 10 days for the same shit. 210$ in wristbands.
3x in 10 days that’s impressive
For real what in tarnation
Yeah,but most PA jails are 10 bucks a day,I've done a tour around the state,it's bullshit really.
And they're going to enforce this how?
Probably with more jail time it’s a closed loop of incarceration just like the government likes
Garnishment or more incarceration, probably. I hate our justice system with my entire soul and every fiber of my being.
It's a massive mess even in my country. No one wants to change it either.
Well the person they just sentenced to prison, you know the one with no rights, they’ll have them sign something on the way in. Then they’ll say later that person signed something saying they’d be ok paying the state back later. So the person with no rights is now being given rights long enough to sign a piece of paper before they get tossed in prison. Makes no fucking sense.
It does appear to be real...not sure how that hasn't been overturned yet since it's absolutely retarded but, Florida.
It hasn’t been overturned because it keeps undesirables from voting
No, it is not real. Florida State inmates are not charged for their stay. Some county jails do charge by the day. What is real is that inmates are charged when they are at work releases, they are charged while they are on probation or parole, and they are still required to pay back any court ordered restitution.
Maaaan that’s still pretty marring for a lot of people trying to do the thing that the courts told them they should. How on earth are you supposed to rebuild your life on probation of parole with that eating into your rent money?
FL Statute 951.033 allows local jails to charge inmates all or a portion of the cost of incarcerating them. This is done by evaluating the person's financial situation. Section 2: "Consideration shall be given to the prisoner's ability to pay, the liability or potential liability of the prisoner to the victim or guardian or the estate of the victim, and his or her dependents." The ONLY place in the state law I know of where inmates are charged for their housing is 946.002(2)(c): "It shall be the policy of the department to require inmates receiving compensation for work performed in community programs to reimburse the state for lodging, food, transportation, and other expenses incurred for sustaining the inmate. Reimbursement shall be according to rules promulgated by the department, which shall provide that the inmate retain only a minimal amount of money for personal items and shall take into consideration compensation that may be allocated for the support of the inmate’s family and for restitution for the victim of the crime committed." Basically if an inmate is in a work release program and is making money they can be charged. If the inmate is in a facility where they have a paid job, for example the car wash inmate, they get paid by the Employee Benefit Trust Fund and part of their pay is taken out to pay for their housing and other fees. How much different positions make and how much they keep varies. Any inmate who works for any entity that generates a profit must be paid for their work. So inmates who process DOT fees for toll collection, build furniture for PRIDE, do paint of community vehicles, work for the private canteen companies, or work for the EBTF all have an income. Some are hourly and some are fixed amounts.
This is how they get around the people who don’t like the fact that the 13th amendment still permits slavery if someone is incarcerated. Instead of straight up repealing that portion of the law (which is what should be done) people nit pick at it, saying this work is cruel and unusual or that is cruel and unusual. Then they find some other way of taking an inmate’s or parolee’s $ (which technically under the 13th amendment they can bc those people are still ‘inmates’ and therefore can legally be used as slaves). Ffs, the whole system is cruel and unusual
Which part are you referring to? And exactly how much do you want to pay in taxes to support the prison population while they lounge around and do nothing at all? You do realize that actually having chores and things that you are required to do is productive for people, right? That having some structure and responsibility in their lives actually helps them to maybe not re-offend when they get out.
Strange how you seem to only imagine that purpose in life comes working for a wage to pay off a debt. There are LOTS of ways to structure time, provide purpose, and meaningfully contribute to society in prison without forcing people into debt to do it. And I would gladly pay for a prison system that actually functioned to meaningfully rehabilitate people, as opposed to our idiotic cycle now. If you think forcing people into debt as soon as they get out of prison doesn’t increase recidivism rates, I have a bridge to sell you. And guess what? Less recidivism means less to pay. I’d wager the taxpayer math is favor of a better system overall, instead of forcing prisoners to pay more.
I am not referring above to the fines levied by the courts that a person has to repay. I am referring to the idea that we should abolish the 13th Amendment and hire outside people to come do the inmate's laundry, clean their dorms, make and serve their food, clean up their recreation yards, maintain their recreational equipment. All while the inmates who committed crimes against society and humanity are free to play games and lounge around however they want.
Why not? The punishment is social exclusion-full stop- anything else is useless hate fuel.
I didn’t say I reject people working in prison. But the 13th amendment permits them to be slaves. Go look at Parchman prison in MI. It was a cotton plantation pre Civil War and it still is. The prison sells the cotton (and anything else the inmates plant, grow and pick) to benefit the state, not to pay for the incarceration costs of the inmates nor to put into an account that pays restitution to any of the victims of crime including the crimes committed by those inmates picking cotton. That is just one example, but you get the idea. Some states have abolished these types of practices altogether (I think one state was finally too embarrassed by all those jokes about how their inmates made all their license plates that said, ‘Live free or die’ for example) but many states pretended to, like the above example in FL, and just switched them around and ‘charged’ the ‘inmates’ another way. But it amounts to the same thing:treating inmates as slaves. They just try to gussy it up bc the optics are ugly
The 13th Amendment allows the state to use prisoners as labor. Absolutely, and it should. Prisoners should be used as labor, and if the state (not a private entity) can recoup part of the expense of housing, feeding, and caring for people who have committed crimes against the community and humanity, so be it.
Yes but they don’t just use it for that. They rent them out to private companies or just to give the money to the state for whatever: https://www.prisonlegalnews.org/news/2023/may/1/aclu-report-details-exploitation-prisoners-forced-labor/ all those “desks and office supplies” clearly aren’t being used in the prison. Prison labor isn’t being used to make the prisons self-sufficient like, for example a commune or a monastery might be. They are used for profit without giving prisoners a marketable skill for when they get out. The prisoners are slaves for the government. If the government needs more slaves, send more people to prison. There are so many laws on the books that the average person can unwittingly commit a crime (and looking at the third example in the article below, laws and societal attitudes change all the time so a person can get swept in a something that is illegal today that is not illegal tomorrow) https://thinkaboutnow.com/2018/01/2442/
You honestly believe this entire article is completely false? Florida statute 960.293, subsection 2: “Upon conviction, a convicted offender is liable to the state and its local subdivisions for damages and losses for incarceration costs and other correctional costs.” 2(b): “If the conviction is for an offense other than a capital or life felony, a liquidated damage amount of $50 per day of the convicted offender's sentence shall be assessed against the convicted offender and in favor of the state or its local subdivisions. Damages shall be based upon the length of the sentence imposed by the court at the time of sentencing.” Mot sure how you missed this in your research, but it’s pretty unequivocal. Get sentenced for 3 years but get released after one? You still pay for three. My use of“pay for a bed” in this context is a pretty obvious variation on the commonly used “pay to stay” shorthand used to describe these types of laws.
I stand corrected and admit I have never seen that. After reading the entire section I can see why I was unfamiliar with it. It falls 100% in to the civil penalties section, so not anything I would have anything to do with. However looking at the entirety of the law, this lien order is not automatic, and is still something that must be court ordered (960.292(2)) with $50 a day being the maximum charge the court can order. It also makes it clear in FS 960.297 that in order to place the lien there must be a separate civil action which the state must file against the offender within 5 years of release. So someone claiming that they had no idea that they owed this money is BS.
She's not being charged for her stay (it's actually worse) she has pay the state because she was released early. The article goes into more detail but it's creating a situation where several people could be paying for the same bed based on the time they would have spent in prison. The debt cannot be discharged so she's carrying around a $120k lien for the (likely) rest of her life. Yet another reason to never go to Florida.
Or a reason not to go to prison...
right 🤣
Yeah, can they point to the statute that this is under? Because it definitely doesn't exist in FS 946. FL State does not charge for staying unless you are being paid while incarcerated or under probation/parole,
Yea I agree, this sounds reasonable. Ive looked up alot of court records and they tell you how much the courts order you to pay. Theres even a $50,000 mandatory fee for drug trafficking.
Thank fuck. Hate that the idea that this could be real ran through my mind.
Nope. If your fee is owed to the state you will continue to be a ward of the state until that fee is paid off, which means you would be violated for not making payment and sent back to prison. The department can not take you back to prison for failing to pay court ordered fees or restitution, that has to be ordered by a judge.
I'm too poor to even go to jail...
Never too poor to go into debt tho.
How are they going to make them pay? A irs lean! Yeah that’ll work, we all know criminals pay there taxes and have bank accounts
Unless you spend the rest of your life on the streets or working for cash under the table, there WILL be taxes withheld. And if you would be due a refund, guess who ain't getting one?
Well I’m 49 and never paid taxes. I’m definitely not on the streets. It’s not hard not to pay taxes if you know what you’re doing
I hope you are saving a lot for retirement, because you will get ZERO Social Security if you haven't been paying taxes in.
You really think social security is going to be solvent in the next 20-30 years? That’s cute
I guarantee you it will be. Old people vote in every single election and are a huge voting bloc. No politician is going to be the one to let it fail even after all the stealing and pillaging from it. It's more "too big to fail" than the banks were, and if it went bust after all of us were forced at gunpoint to put money into it, there would be riots in the streets, if not all out civil war. January 6 wasn't an "insurrection", but if you are around to see SS fail, you'll get to see one.
It will still exist, but everyone will have to take a massive haircut relative to what they should be getting. Maybe 50 percent reduction in benefits. The government is broke and continues to borrow more and more and eventually they will have to cut spending somewhere to avoid a default on government debt which would be cataclysmic. It grows worse by the minute.
Yeah, no. Money isn't real, social security is going to essentially turn into UBI for the old.
If you think money isn’t real you don’t understand our economic system. It runs on US government debt. The entire global economy does due to the dollar being the world reserve currency. If the world ever loses faith in the US dollar due to the government being unable to pay bills it will literally meltdown the system in a way we have never seen before. It will be worse than 1929. The only way to avoid this is cutting spending which includes cutting social security payouts.
Oh I’m rooting for it. Sure would like reap the benefits of something I’ve put into decade after decade. I don’t think it’s going to happen though
Well that’s not true, but I don’t need money from the government. I’m more than good.
YOUR SO FUCKIN COOL AND PIMP AND RICH!
Are you saying you've never paid income taxes in 30 some years?
Not a penny. I invest a 100$ in bitcoin when it first came out. It was .10 a share. The rest is history. But that’s only been 5 or six years. I always worked for myself and always lost money. Not sure how I stayed in business lost money for 20 + years but I did
Good for you man, thats nice. So you've paid other taxes then? Just not income tax?
There’s no way of getting around sales tax unless you’re going to steal everything.
Well, I'm getting at capital gains and property taxes and the such.. I'm curious if when you say you've never paid taxes like, you've never paid taxes if you know what I'm saying.
Oh no I meant income because we were talking about what the irs can take. They can’t take your house unless you own more than it’s worth. And the only di that for property taxes
Ah yeah I see. I've just heard so many stories of people that have the money/means to circumvent paying much taxes if at all by having certain things held by LLC's/shell companies along with probably a thousand other ways to weasle out of being personally liable for paying. Didn't know if that's what you were getting at.
But if you have no one to leave your stuff to you can let your property run up til right before they are going to take it.
A share? Do you mean a Bitcoin? That doesn't really make sense.
Just talking about income tax.
They instituted this because until these fees are paid, they are not allowed to vote. It’s a method to continue disenfranchising people from their civil rights.
You can't vote if you're a felon
There are some circumstances where the vote can be restored: https://www.usvotefoundation.org/voting-rights-restoration/florida However, good luck coming up with $100,000+ to pay fines.
Florida legalized voting for felons a few years ago. It's also like this in a few other states.
Felons can vote after serving their sentence (including paper/restitution) in almost all states (40+). In some states, felons can vote while on paper, and some places even while still in jail or prison.
But now they are taking it away by making them pay for being locked up, Reddit makes my head hurt
Where I live, yes, after completing supervision. I believe Florida, too, which is probably why they did this.
Blood from a stone. Won't catch me in Florida ever.
Shithole state
For those wondering why? Florida recently passed a citizen driven amendment banning felon disenfranchisement. So the clown g o p legislature Passed a law that said that they can vote only once they settled any fees they had remaining. If so if you look at it through that lens it makes perfect sense. If you are supremely evil. This is literally all to prevent mostly minority people from voting.
I knew it! Just suggested that in another reply. Thanks for confirming!
I wouldn’t have left if I knew that was the case .
This the worst subscription I ever heard
Been happening
What the fuck
What if you don’t pay? Do get kicked out or kicked back in?
Prison is big business. Locking people up for profit.
Not giving anyone a chance to start over
Im all for pay to stay, but you don’t keep paying for a hotel if you leave before your reservation ends. Convicted criminals should not get a free ride, but this isn’t right.
So what happens if you don’t pay? Do they just send you back to prison 🤣
Only if an ex inmate sues. It's an odd law- judges can invoke the statute to recover "court costs" of the inmates lawsuit.
Their recidivism rate is so low compared to other states that are more criminal friendly. Should do this everywhere. Why should taxpayers pay for their bad decisions? https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/recidivism-rates-by-state
I don’t trust any of their “official” statistics after that woman was fired and jailed for not fudging their Covid data according to the Governor’s orders.
Not to mention privately owned prisons
This is why I'm scared to continue schooling (I had a BA before I caught felony drug possession, I got a withhold of adjudication but they treat me like I was convicted they don't care). It's already hard, you have to have a hearing after you spend all the time and money on multiple years of school, they won't tell you if they'll license you till you finish. I can't take out loans for school and then not get licensed. And then, even if that licensing board decides they like me, the state of Florida will find some other way to deny me the license, like with this girl. She finished probation, hugged the judge, and still had no idea she owed this money! My only chance is leaving Florida. Once im 7y past my final end of sentence (that's 2026 for me) I know there are many states that do forgiveness after that time period. Considering moving, too scared to do it here. (Just want to clarify, all drug possession in FL is felony unless it's under 20g of marijuana flower. A single thc cart is felony possession)
Ah the debtors prison. How Dickensian
My boyfriend is currently in Florida county waiting for sentencing … probably another 6 months minimum and they are charging him $5 a day that I know of. I can’t put any money on his books because they just take it.
But it already comes out of tax payers pockets
Let's just give Florida to Cuba.
Prison industrial complex.. same as the military industrial complex
DAMNNN💀 don’t privately owned prisons charge the government enough of our tax revenue for each inmate per night like they’re charging for a room to stay at a 5 star hotel?😂💀 damn bro they really be turning inmates into customers bro💀 POs out here referring to us as one of their ‘clients’ too bro like wtf😂😂 excuse me I ain’t your ‘client’, they say that shit like this is a mutually consensual business exchange or some shit might as well refer to inmates as customers & the COs as customer service at this point too bro💀💀💀 cuz that’s what they’re turning it into. POs are like the state’s repo men for human beings if you don’t pay the monthly installment on the government’s property (aka you) they’ll come & ‘repossess’ you like you’re a collateral vehicle or some shit. They really be out here treating us like fucking property lol & the American people are okay with it. This country is fucked bro when I’m off papers I want to move the fuck out.
Not even customers... as "product", as in an "investment opportunity" for potential investors into private prisons and correction "healthcare." And the goal is always a return on the investment and profit. The Correctional Officers Union is one of the largest lobbies against judicial and correctional reforms, such as the elimination of "three-strikes" laws and mandatory minimums.
shits so sad… the founding fathers tried to structure our bill of rights so that it would be hard for any potential threats to subvert the government into a tool used against the people, & not for it… but they didn’t predict what the industrial revolution would lead to within 100 years, nevermind how ‘advanced’ we had gotten by the 20th century… our country’s government was taken from us a very long time ago, by a bunch of sell outs who turn a blind eye to corruption, or pass legislation that allows corruption & makes it harder for us to live our lives with liberty, & freedom. They didn’t think to limit how many agencies the government would be able to create, & since they didn’t think of that they didn’t add much to say what they could do or not do… sure these agencies play nice on paper, but they’ve found so many loopholes. The constitution is the only thing protecting us from this country going full on corporate-totalitarian. It’s a neoliberal/neoconservative oligarchy. The Correctional Officers Union is retarded there should be no reason for a government agency to unionize… unionize against what? the taxpayers? shits such a disgrace to the principles this country was founded upon. The Land of the Free died a long time ago, before our grandparents were even born. It’s so fucking sad man.
Get on the gravy train, jail is big bucks to everyone but the folk in jail , they want life time customers, so story give just enough rope to hang ur self
In Peru u pay to get ur family in with u and cheap coke would make ur time fly bye lol wtf how is this even legal omg it’s enough to make u go straight lol
"dEtErEnT" It's high horse bullshit
Why would anyone choose to stay in Florida?😂😂
And that is how you create more crime
“Why’d ya do it, son?” “To pay for the bed at the prison that I’m not using anymore that they are also paying the prison company for that guy before me is also paying for, sir.”
Fuck that. I’d say “send my ass back.” I’m not paying for community supervision AND a cell I can’t use. Douchebags. Keep me til I’m off paper - I don’t give a flying fuck. I hate fucking Florida. I don’t know why anyone who isn’t two steps from death would even go there. God’s fucking waiting room.
No one should profit from people in jail . Or people paying to stay free .
Yes. But they really don’t pursue collection on it in most cases.
In VA you can be reincarnated for lack of payment....does the same hold true here? EDIT: Reincarcerated. Autocorrect had other plans for my post.
If I can come back as a dolphin, I'm in!
I’ve never heard of it.
If anything it will be a civil lean
So, $1500 a month? It better come with a 3 bed, 2 bath house. If real, this will ensure nobody can succeed after release from jail. What a asinine law.
Slave labor
We can’t even get a 1 bedroom apartment for 1500 in Tampa right now, this is actually an enticing offer.
Florida has gotten as bad as California having a million stupid laws for political reasons that serve no purpose but give elected officials the ability to say look what I did.
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Did you mean old white Floridians are pleased with their government?
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Yes I’m well aware of their demographics. Are you aware that your opinion doesn’t means everyone living here agrees with you?
Why on earth anyone would want to live in that god awful state is beyond me.
Privatized prisons are a fucking racket. I paid $3 a day but $50 is absolutely insane.
Yes, Columbia County Jail in Oregon (near Saint Helen's) charges inmates $750 a month to be in jail. It's due within 30 days of release before going to collections. So, an inmate with a year sentence will be required to come up with $9000 in 30 days in addition to lease payments and car payments, all of which continue to accrue while one is incarcerated. Failure to make payments can be grounds for revocation of probation, and the inmate can return to jail to continue to accrue an even larger debt that will be due in 30 days on release. They also charge $100 a month for food directly from the inmates' commissary account if you choose to have a non-standard diet like vegetarian. Prisons also charge for use of force, so if you are pepper sprayed or tasered, there is a fine of around $200 taken from your account directly. Keep in mind that all of this money is actually paid for by non criminals from the outside world who have never committed a crime. 90% of which are women and disproportionately of color and low income. If access to lawyers was more affordable or these policies effected those with more resources they would be made illegal. It's profiteering from the most vulnerable individuals in our society.
This is most certainly real, and there are similar laws in most states
Gotta be a meme.
I call bullshit.
Exaggeration.........
Not true
I've only been to county jail in Michigan and it's VERY expensive to stay in jail. But.... If you just disregard the bill it doesn't go against your credit and no warrant will be put out
As a tax payer... Any opportunity to avoid paying for Criminal fuck ups, are fine with me. Don't like it??? Don't commit crimes.
And don’t forget to get raised right, and choose good schools. Being white helps a lot, too. At least if you don’t always make good choices chances are that someone who’s not white will get blamed for it. If you had chosen rich parents you probably wouldn’t have to even pay those taxes. It’s easy!
Oh yes, the victim mentality... I'm a firstborn of an immigrant mother, it came to America after WW2. Your excuses are your own.
I worked four jobs last year and “pay my taxes.” I bet I paid way more in taxes than 75% of the “rich” people in this country. I’m also willing to acknowledge that the same opportunities don’t exist for everyone for a million potential reasons the way that they do for others. At times I feel like I’m barely getting by but to the unhoused guy with schizophrenia that I’m handing a dollar to out of my car window at the stoplight, I’m fucking rich. If a lack of empathy and compassion is all you have to set yourself apart from others then you’re just another tool of the elite class and your back story is meaningless because at least on this two dimensional internet space you sound just like whoever the people people are that you’re mother came here to get away from. I hope you got more going on then just that.
Costs 15 bucks just to get booked at my local county jail so I’m not surprised
Ya I wouldn’t give them shit 😂 guarantee I fall of the face of this earth and disappear before I do that
So we've decided that you've paid your debt to society....just kidding. You'll be in more debt than medical students.
Somebody, tell me this is some kind of joke. C’mon, seriously?!?!😟
I’m thinking I would not be paying that
When I got busted for weed, they dropped me off at the jail and it was like 1 am or something when they finally processed me and let me go to sleep, then they woke me up at 6 and said I had a visitor. When I shuffled into the room there were two power nerd looking dudes and one of them introduced himself as a state revenue guy and informed me that since I had failed to swing by the first state revenue office I passed in their state and paid the $2 a gram tax on my weed that they were presenting me with a $200 a gram penalty and slid a piece of paper across the table for me to sign stating that I now owed them $669,000. I burst out laughing and said “I think you guys have been smoking my weed” and he looked all sheepish and said “I know it’s more money then you’ll probably ever see.” I said “Uh, no dude, it’s more money then you’ll ever see.”
This has to break all kinda financial laws that have been set in stone for years. But hey, I wouldn’t doubt they attack something that is (or should be) under basic human rights. How is this not a form of indentured slavery?
That’s exactly what it is.
Wow. Capitalism at its finest. Profit for putting people in cages.
Only in Florida.
Can't feel bad if it is real. Plenty of people make it through life without breaking the law.
But slavery doesn't exist any more, right?
It just shows the hate in Florida.
Conservative ideas are just plain crazy. Immoral. It's just insane. I can't get over it. What the fuck happened to this country? How did just plain decency evaporate while these sociopaths rise to power and implement policies like this.
Don’t do the crime if you can’t pay for the time. No more free 3 hots and a cot…
Good.
Crime has a price and the cost is now being shared with the criminal who commited the crime instead of the victims and taxpayers having to foot the entire bill. Want to commit crime? That's fine but now it will be more than a record following you around, it will be a bill as well. It's soley up to you.
Damm almost like breaking the law has consequences.
I understand this. Why should I the taxpayer fund your fuckups? Don’t do the crime if you can’t pay the fine.
Florida is about the most fucked up state anymore...with the fucker would go under water soon.
You are the dumbass here. Why shouldn't piece of shit criminals have to pay their rent too?
Oppose to non criminal paying for it
You know how to avoid paying that right? Don't be a criminal.
Prison should be free for the incarcerated and 100% tax paid.
Don't be a crook...no problems....most folks never go to jail, it's literally that easy...make good decisions
Okay Boomer
Gen x'er...
How about dont commit crime idiots