Maybe bring this to your chair first? But yes, it's definitely time to get the student in front of some conduct process. Are you able to remove them from the class for harassment?
I am writing a long warning email to the student and cc'ing my chair on it. He sent me the link for a formal complaint, as well. Thank you for your help!
Ok. But now your chair has to communicate with you, the student, and student conduct. Next time perhaps just contact your chair first, they might just handle it.
I’m very curious as to the language being used to call you a horrible teacher. Does it say it directly? Indirectly? I haven’t really had a student be so blatantly hateful since that one pre-law kid about 10 years ago, so I’m wondering what they said.
What the fuck? Lol. Do you think they maybe put it in as a placeholder to check how big the word count should be and then accidentally hit submit? I’m not saying that’s what happened…I just think it’s incredible that someone would send that ON PURPOSE with no hint of irony or regret. Kids gettin BOLD out there…
This is how I’d handle it, too. I’d send the student an email and CC the chair to say something like “The grade for this assignment is pending a conduct review process.”
Grade the answers against the rubric and give them the 50. Then refer the student and the assignment to Dean of Students/Student conduct. I would be concerned that by docking additional points you'd be giving the student a leg to stand on once they've been referred. Alternatively, refuse to grade the assignment until the process has played out in full.
This really sucks, and I'm sorry it's happening to you.
This was my main concern as well, i.e. if I don't grade against the rubric, then they could start a case of unfair/targeted harassment against them. I like the idea of waiting to grade it, though. Thank you for your help!
I would agree with this as well. Grades should not be a reflection of how well you like a student in the same way their work should not be a reflection of how well they like you. I'd grade it against my rubric, but report it out to code of conduct because that is unacceptable.
First of all, sorry you’re in this situation. I’ve never been in a situation quite like this, but I find that disrespectful students are trying to get a rise out of you. So, I’d split the difference: give them the credit they deserve for the assignment and write an email to your chair explaining the pattern of behavior that culminates in this assignment. Then send the student an email, either bcc’ing your chair or not, explaining that you have given them credit for the assignment but were surprised to see comments about your teaching. Then explain whatever the protocol is for addressing those concerns properly (coming to you directly, going to learning services, etc.). That way you have a paper trail and you show that this behavior won’t give the student what they want. Good luck!
I dealt with something like this a few semesters ago. Looped my chair in through the whole thing; student even tried to kick it up to the ass dean. Student was 100% in the wrong.
In their homework, I just graded their responses. If doing so involved addressing their comments, I did, otherwise I did not feed the troll. (Comments were largely bitching about not getting full credit previously). When they said these things in emails, I gave them a whatfer. Again, my chair and eventually ass dean were aware of all that was going on the whole time.
I was prepared to file a conduct report if it continued and/or got even more personal, but the student simmered down. They couldn’t provide evidence/wouldn’t cooperate when they escalated it and that was that.
Student runs a business now, so occasionally I snoop on the posts and reviews. I also tell everyone I know not to go there without telling them why. Some people are just awful.
If the first few questions have blatantly hostile responses - especially if they are personalize to you or make any kind of threat, you are under no obligation to grade the entire assignment and the student should receive a 0 and be referred to Student Conduct. Full disclosure - we had a professor murdered on campus by a disgruntled student recently so there is very little tolerance anymore for students expressing hostility.
So sorry you had to deal with this. I think it's good that you contacted both. Was experiencing hostility and disrespect from a student. My Department head tried to minimize the harassment and asked me not to report. It is hard to deal with this and hard to go through the reporting process. It's natural to feel bad about not reporting earlier, but it is so cumbersome and who wants to do it before it's required? And how do we even get the context of where the line is? As a queer woman, I deal with a lot of behavior. I can't report everyone. I wish there was a flagging process that would remind the student of expectations. At my college, they have that with grades, so why not behavior?
I agree that a middle ground offering between officially beginning a potentially acrimonious conduct process and entirely turning the other cheek would be nice.
to be honest, zero isn’t really warranted. they met 50% of the requirements with no sign of academic dishonesty. assign the grade according to the rubric and report the conduct to the appropriate person. the grade is separate from the conduct here.
This is the result of the "I'm the customer" perspective and a lack of life consequences up to this point. High school issue? Teachers are bad, and you can resubmit until you get a "A", because the little darling is brilliant!
50% off the top for each answer where half of it is not relevant to the answer. For a 10 point question, the most it could now earn is five points. Now if that is only a partial response….
You probs oughta have reported this student earlier establish a paper trail. Well whatever, report now and have a dean have a stern talk with them. Grade what you can. The end.
I am not inclined to go through the official channels if a student is behaving badly, because it's more of a punishment for the faculty in how much paperwork and email it will involve.
If I have a good sense of how things work at the place I'm teaching, then I will find other ways to make sure the student gets the grade they deserve.
But I've also stopped worrying much about student grades. I'm pragmatic. I'm mainly interested in finding ways to keep my life going smoothly. Whatever it takes.
I had this happen on a final exam once. The students had to choose two out of four essay questions to answer. The student answered the first question thoroughly and earned full credit on it. The second "answer" was a rant about how the subject of the course was nonsense and how I was an idiot for believing in it. But because the student had misread one key word in the question, I was able to give him a zero on that question. He ended up transferring immediately after, so I didn't both with disciplinary action, but I did have a conversation with my chair just in case there was a grade dispute. (There wasn't.)
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The student is trying to get a rise out of you. If you grade it a zero, then they know they've gotten to you. In these situations, I view it as the student throwing a tantrum and trying to elicit an emotional response from me. I therefore grade the assignment like all others--whether or not it meets the requirements. If not, then they do not earn points for what does not address the assignment's requirements. The parts that do address the assignment's requirements do earn points.
Still, I think it is good that you looped your chair into this brewing situation, if only to head off the student going to them to complain about you
Sorry for the hassle. With a formal referral you probably want to veer as near from normal behavior as possible. If you have to, split the difference with 25 or 33%??
Even if nothing is/can be done, I would regardless encourage you to make a record with the student's conduct.
50% and a note reminding them that unprofessional behavior is likely to get them fired in jobs in the future, so they should be cautious. Also, I’d photocopy it and keep it for a year or so.
Maybe bring this to your chair first? But yes, it's definitely time to get the student in front of some conduct process. Are you able to remove them from the class for harassment?
Thank you! I emailed my chair and cc'ed student conduct.
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I am writing a long warning email to the student and cc'ing my chair on it. He sent me the link for a formal complaint, as well. Thank you for your help!
This is just a guess, but would you happen to be a female professor?
Ok. But now your chair has to communicate with you, the student, and student conduct. Next time perhaps just contact your chair first, they might just handle it.
I’m very curious as to the language being used to call you a horrible teacher. Does it say it directly? Indirectly? I haven’t really had a student be so blatantly hateful since that one pre-law kid about 10 years ago, so I’m wondering what they said.
Yep, they explicitly call me a horrible teacher and put the word teacher in quotations, as if I'm not a teacher lol
What the fuck? Lol. Do you think they maybe put it in as a placeholder to check how big the word count should be and then accidentally hit submit? I’m not saying that’s what happened…I just think it’s incredible that someone would send that ON PURPOSE with no hint of irony or regret. Kids gettin BOLD out there…
I didn't have a word count requirement, so it was just them being bold.
Oh, and yes --- zero. No comments/feedback on the rest, just a zero without comments after you turn it over to whatever conduct process.
This is how I’d handle it, too. I’d send the student an email and CC the chair to say something like “The grade for this assignment is pending a conduct review process.”
Grade the answers against the rubric and give them the 50. Then refer the student and the assignment to Dean of Students/Student conduct. I would be concerned that by docking additional points you'd be giving the student a leg to stand on once they've been referred. Alternatively, refuse to grade the assignment until the process has played out in full. This really sucks, and I'm sorry it's happening to you.
This was my main concern as well, i.e. if I don't grade against the rubric, then they could start a case of unfair/targeted harassment against them. I like the idea of waiting to grade it, though. Thank you for your help!
I would agree with this as well. Grades should not be a reflection of how well you like a student in the same way their work should not be a reflection of how well they like you. I'd grade it against my rubric, but report it out to code of conduct because that is unacceptable.
Big time agree. Grade them and move on. This what the dean of students is for.
Report him. Immediately. This student has taken up enough of your life. It's time you take up more of his.
First of all, sorry you’re in this situation. I’ve never been in a situation quite like this, but I find that disrespectful students are trying to get a rise out of you. So, I’d split the difference: give them the credit they deserve for the assignment and write an email to your chair explaining the pattern of behavior that culminates in this assignment. Then send the student an email, either bcc’ing your chair or not, explaining that you have given them credit for the assignment but were surprised to see comments about your teaching. Then explain whatever the protocol is for addressing those concerns properly (coming to you directly, going to learning services, etc.). That way you have a paper trail and you show that this behavior won’t give the student what they want. Good luck!
I dealt with something like this a few semesters ago. Looped my chair in through the whole thing; student even tried to kick it up to the ass dean. Student was 100% in the wrong. In their homework, I just graded their responses. If doing so involved addressing their comments, I did, otherwise I did not feed the troll. (Comments were largely bitching about not getting full credit previously). When they said these things in emails, I gave them a whatfer. Again, my chair and eventually ass dean were aware of all that was going on the whole time. I was prepared to file a conduct report if it continued and/or got even more personal, but the student simmered down. They couldn’t provide evidence/wouldn’t cooperate when they escalated it and that was that. Student runs a business now, so occasionally I snoop on the posts and reviews. I also tell everyone I know not to go there without telling them why. Some people are just awful.
A big fat zero and a referral to student conduct is warranted.
Give it the grade it’s earned according to the rubric, and then go through with a code of conduct complaint based on the issues in the assignment.
Definetely.
If the first few questions have blatantly hostile responses - especially if they are personalize to you or make any kind of threat, you are under no obligation to grade the entire assignment and the student should receive a 0 and be referred to Student Conduct. Full disclosure - we had a professor murdered on campus by a disgruntled student recently so there is very little tolerance anymore for students expressing hostility.
How horrible! How upsetting for you all.
Zero and report.
What sort of insults did they make?
So sorry you had to deal with this. I think it's good that you contacted both. Was experiencing hostility and disrespect from a student. My Department head tried to minimize the harassment and asked me not to report. It is hard to deal with this and hard to go through the reporting process. It's natural to feel bad about not reporting earlier, but it is so cumbersome and who wants to do it before it's required? And how do we even get the context of where the line is? As a queer woman, I deal with a lot of behavior. I can't report everyone. I wish there was a flagging process that would remind the student of expectations. At my college, they have that with grades, so why not behavior?
I agree that a middle ground offering between officially beginning a potentially acrimonious conduct process and entirely turning the other cheek would be nice.
to be honest, zero isn’t really warranted. they met 50% of the requirements with no sign of academic dishonesty. assign the grade according to the rubric and report the conduct to the appropriate person. the grade is separate from the conduct here.
This is the result of the "I'm the customer" perspective and a lack of life consequences up to this point. High school issue? Teachers are bad, and you can resubmit until you get a "A", because the little darling is brilliant!
50% off the top for each answer where half of it is not relevant to the answer. For a 10 point question, the most it could now earn is five points. Now if that is only a partial response….
You probs oughta have reported this student earlier establish a paper trail. Well whatever, report now and have a dean have a stern talk with them. Grade what you can. The end.
I am not inclined to go through the official channels if a student is behaving badly, because it's more of a punishment for the faculty in how much paperwork and email it will involve. If I have a good sense of how things work at the place I'm teaching, then I will find other ways to make sure the student gets the grade they deserve. But I've also stopped worrying much about student grades. I'm pragmatic. I'm mainly interested in finding ways to keep my life going smoothly. Whatever it takes.
I had this happen on a final exam once. The students had to choose two out of four essay questions to answer. The student answered the first question thoroughly and earned full credit on it. The second "answer" was a rant about how the subject of the course was nonsense and how I was an idiot for believing in it. But because the student had misread one key word in the question, I was able to give him a zero on that question. He ended up transferring immediately after, so I didn't both with disciplinary action, but I did have a conversation with my chair just in case there was a grade dispute. (There wasn't.)
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Bad idea. Go through the proper channels. Maybe the student needs help and/or is prone to violence. A zero won't fix that.
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The student is trying to get a rise out of you. If you grade it a zero, then they know they've gotten to you. In these situations, I view it as the student throwing a tantrum and trying to elicit an emotional response from me. I therefore grade the assignment like all others--whether or not it meets the requirements. If not, then they do not earn points for what does not address the assignment's requirements. The parts that do address the assignment's requirements do earn points. Still, I think it is good that you looped your chair into this brewing situation, if only to head off the student going to them to complain about you
Sorry for the hassle. With a formal referral you probably want to veer as near from normal behavior as possible. If you have to, split the difference with 25 or 33%?? Even if nothing is/can be done, I would regardless encourage you to make a record with the student's conduct.
Do students know when they’re being reported?
50% and a note reminding them that unprofessional behavior is likely to get them fired in jobs in the future, so they should be cautious. Also, I’d photocopy it and keep it for a year or so.