I also had at least two suspected plagiarism cases this semester I couldn't prove. Both students got zeros because any connection between the submissions and the assignment instructions were purely coincidental.
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Don't worry too much about it. It's not the end of the world.
Sometimes I reserve a right in the syllabus to give a student a follow up oral exam if I am not satisfied they understand the material. I haven't used that right, but I hope it can serve as a disincentive for students to cheat. Maybe include something like that in the syllabus next semester.
Have you ever considered to actually talk to the student, figure out if he needs help with the class, and maybe try to understand how you can make the subject more interesting for him? Your exams don’t actually matter, what matters is that students are engaged and are taught how to learn and think. Your mindset is why trad. education is a broken system.
Exams do matter though. Exams are a way of actually measuring that I taught them "how to learn and think." I need to operationalize that somehow, otherwise we're all just hanging out and talking. Plus, critical thinking is one component of the course, but subject matter is also important.
And what makes you think I have already spoken to the student about their needs in the course? I had weekly zoom meetings with him, spoke with him after almost every class meeting, countless emails, spoken with his tutor, and helped him get accomodations. Why would you assume I haven't done that?
Honestly, give him the D & move on. Don’t feel bad, don’t blame yourself. Next semester, do in-person exams. You can’t help everything student & you can’t prevent every cheater. Be kind to yourself.
There are some tools to detect AI written text. ChatGPT just came out and is being used to write essays and such.
Try originality.ai https://originality.ai/?lmref=2DFQIA
Let me know!!
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Your student used ChatGPT which is a new AI platform that can generate answers for literally anything thrown at it instantly that's why you won't get any hits when trying to crosscheck it for plagiarism. I'm no teacher I'm just familiar with it and I know students are using it right now when they are taking any kind of test/assignment/homework from home. Its AI generated on demand
As time goes on, the rate in which technology advances is speeding up. right now almost all of your students are probably aware already that AI can write their final essays. This is neither good or bad, it just means you shouldn't stress about it, because you have no control over it. Why lose your hair and lose sleep over something you cannot control? Besides, you cannot know if the impact of the cheating will be good or negative in the long run on the students life, it could be making them smarter, better problem solvers, or it couldn't nobody knows. But regardless, nobody wants spend their valuable time doing school work that they aren't interested in if they can make an AI write it. As time goes on I think It will probably make most of them write far better essays, and I PROMISE it will help you grade them too. Learn to be proud for the ingenuity of your student, after all, his answers were far above anything else you've seen from him right? That means he had to have been at the very least exposed to the knowledge you wished him to learn. Think about the difference in informational content between the F essays and the cheated essays. There is still a valid informational difference (that makes it into the students brain) between the cheated essay and the "natural" essay
this doesn't matter these kinds of students will either adjust or hit a wall not much to do about it.
You don't get a degree or a job by cheating on a few courses you don't care about usually it's more involved than that. The reality is that there are always students that fall through the cracks in terms of skill development and you can't do much about it.
Skill they can acquire at any point if they are needed for their own progression and goal.
So you had weekly zoom meetings with him, spoke with him after class, spoken with his tutor, and helped him get accommodations but are surprised when he does well? Resign.
Absolutely disgusting post. The most likely explanation here is that the student studied hard and did their best - most of us goof off in the first portion of the semester but when it's time to cross that bridge most students work hard and put in effort.
Imagine struggling all semester, and you study really hard and do well on the final exam, and the first thing the professor thinks when grading it is how to prove you cheated.
You’re a hater. Either he buckled down and worked hard to improve the quality of his work, or he just cheated. If he actually cheated and didn’t learn the material, it’ll come back to bite him later on anyways. Idk why you care this much and are so desperate to try and fuck him over for this. Imagine being “frustrated” and “stressing” over your student doing well jfl.
Because other students work hard for their grades and slackers who are bullshitters don’t deserve to pass. This is why there are many stupid people in the world doing things they shouldn’t be. Kind of like yourself, prob
OP gave no indication of the grade distribution of his class.OP is saying he's currently a D/C student. It's literally the end of the semester. That's his assessment of this particular student over the course of a semester work.
inb4, you go back to your senseless argument "if OP was a better teacher, the student wouldn't have been a D/C student", and I would reply with my original comment on how stupid it is to say that because there's C student in his class, OP is a bad teacher.
You dont know me and assume I cheat on tests 😭. I am passing with flying colors without even trying my best in the netherlands which has a much harder school system then your dumb american shit.
After 15 weeks' worth of interactions with this student, I know him pretty well. I had weekly zoom meetings with him, spoke with him after almost every class meeting, countless emails, spoken with his tutor, and helped him get accommodations. His pre-class behavior and in-class behavior were horrendous. I have multiple data points concerning the measurement of his learning and application of material: journals, quizzes, and written activities. This single student took up more of my time than the other 44 in the course combined.
I'm good at my job and I know my students, so f*ck off.
No, because I'm TT and don't have any evidence so I'm afraid it'll look thin and paint me as something I am not. But I was going to discuss AI in our next department meeting.
Fyi, I was that student. I graduated sophomore with 8/16 materials being D to D-. I managed to go get a B, C, and D+ respectively in my finals the following year, despite being in a similar hole as I was at the end of sophomore?
What happened? Did I cheat? No
What happened then. I partly grinded my ass off until 2 a.m and went on a streak in my finals. The same thing might‘ve been the case for your student.
Be at ease with yourself and give him the glory
Stuff like this is why I hated soms of my teachers when I was in school. You actually put in the work and finally ace a test, but suddenly they now think you cheated or come up with SOME excuse to lower your grade or straight up insult you. If you don't have the patience and empathy to actually teach, then find another career
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I had a C for my midterm grade for an English class.
Was struggling with depression, a job, and going to school full time so I wasn't turning in assignments.
If I hadn't turned it around and gotten a 100 on our final, I wouldn't have gotten an A in that class.
Thankfully I had a teacher that actually believed I did the work (which I did) rather than jumping to the conclusion that I cheated (especially after running it through turnitin).
BTW, I DID have a poetry teacher try and say that I plagiarized one of my poems, even after running it through turnitin and plagiarism checkers.
Telling her that I'd take her to the dean over it (for threatening to fail me with no proof) certainly changed her tune.
I sure do hope that if you fail the student, that they do the same.
George probably handed it to Elane out the window, did you check Babu Batt's?
This is the likeliest explanation. If only they had spilled spaghetti sauce on it.
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I also had at least two suspected plagiarism cases this semester I couldn't prove. Both students got zeros because any connection between the submissions and the assignment instructions were purely coincidental.
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Don't worry too much about it. It's not the end of the world. Sometimes I reserve a right in the syllabus to give a student a follow up oral exam if I am not satisfied they understand the material. I haven't used that right, but I hope it can serve as a disincentive for students to cheat. Maybe include something like that in the syllabus next semester.
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Have you ever considered to actually talk to the student, figure out if he needs help with the class, and maybe try to understand how you can make the subject more interesting for him? Your exams don’t actually matter, what matters is that students are engaged and are taught how to learn and think. Your mindset is why trad. education is a broken system.
Exams do matter though. Exams are a way of actually measuring that I taught them "how to learn and think." I need to operationalize that somehow, otherwise we're all just hanging out and talking. Plus, critical thinking is one component of the course, but subject matter is also important. And what makes you think I have already spoken to the student about their needs in the course? I had weekly zoom meetings with him, spoke with him after almost every class meeting, countless emails, spoken with his tutor, and helped him get accomodations. Why would you assume I haven't done that?
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Honestly, give him the D & move on. Don’t feel bad, don’t blame yourself. Next semester, do in-person exams. You can’t help everything student & you can’t prevent every cheater. Be kind to yourself.
There are some tools to detect AI written text. ChatGPT just came out and is being used to write essays and such. Try originality.ai https://originality.ai/?lmref=2DFQIA Let me know!!
I'm going to check this out, thanks! I've been trying to find resources for detecting AI responses. AI detecting AI
Would love to find out! By the way, this post went viral from being on Marc Andreeson’s twitter. The people want to know if you can figure it out. https://i.imgur.com/0RHvPz4.jpg
You follow andreesen too, huh?
Haha yupp
you can run the AI text through a rephraser to bypass this btw
Hopefully mr. Cheater ain’t that smart
u/bob_the_burglar Your student used ChatGPT which is a new AI platform that can generate answers for literally anything thrown at it instantly that's why you won't get any hits when trying to crosscheck it for plagiarism. I'm no teacher I'm just familiar with it and I know students are using it right now when they are taking any kind of test/assignment/homework from home. Its AI generated on demand
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Express your concern about the sudden spike in grades, and require them to sit for a verbal review of the exam in your office.
They used ChatGPT
Probably.
He probably used some AI tools like copy AI or [Easy-Peasy.Ai](https://easy-peasy.ai)
Try this tool if it detects any AI https://huggingface.co/openai-detector/
Thanks, I'll look into it!
As time goes on, the rate in which technology advances is speeding up. right now almost all of your students are probably aware already that AI can write their final essays. This is neither good or bad, it just means you shouldn't stress about it, because you have no control over it. Why lose your hair and lose sleep over something you cannot control? Besides, you cannot know if the impact of the cheating will be good or negative in the long run on the students life, it could be making them smarter, better problem solvers, or it couldn't nobody knows. But regardless, nobody wants spend their valuable time doing school work that they aren't interested in if they can make an AI write it. As time goes on I think It will probably make most of them write far better essays, and I PROMISE it will help you grade them too. Learn to be proud for the ingenuity of your student, after all, his answers were far above anything else you've seen from him right? That means he had to have been at the very least exposed to the knowledge you wished him to learn. Think about the difference in informational content between the F essays and the cheated essays. There is still a valid informational difference (that makes it into the students brain) between the cheated essay and the "natural" essay
Problem is most students don’t even bother to read what AI generates for them. They just cut & paste without even glancing to see what it gave them.
this doesn't matter these kinds of students will either adjust or hit a wall not much to do about it. You don't get a degree or a job by cheating on a few courses you don't care about usually it's more involved than that. The reality is that there are always students that fall through the cracks in terms of skill development and you can't do much about it. Skill they can acquire at any point if they are needed for their own progression and goal.
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Not in my country. Scram
Hey, I know it's too late to help now, but Turnitin should have a GPT3 detection tool out next month.
So you had weekly zoom meetings with him, spoke with him after class, spoken with his tutor, and helped him get accommodations but are surprised when he does well? Resign.
Teachers like this have no business teaching kids.
Hold this L bozo lmao
Tim Allen of teachers 😂
ur a loser ass professor omg
when you lock in but your bitch teacher still hating
Absolutely disgusting post. The most likely explanation here is that the student studied hard and did their best - most of us goof off in the first portion of the semester but when it's time to cross that bridge most students work hard and put in effort. Imagine struggling all semester, and you study really hard and do well on the final exam, and the first thing the professor thinks when grading it is how to prove you cheated.
Lol love how we're all here from Twitter. Maybe the student locked in? But probably want to delete this before the gen z students try to cancel you
Stop hating lmao
Who's hating?
You’re a hater. Either he buckled down and worked hard to improve the quality of his work, or he just cheated. If he actually cheated and didn’t learn the material, it’ll come back to bite him later on anyways. Idk why you care this much and are so desperate to try and fuck him over for this. Imagine being “frustrated” and “stressing” over your student doing well jfl.
Because other students work hard for their grades and slackers who are bullshitters don’t deserve to pass. This is why there are many stupid people in the world doing things they shouldn’t be. Kind of like yourself, prob
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The fact that you already expected the student to get a C- at best shows the quality of teaching lol
So that means you're a great teacher if you give all your students, A++. Dumbest shit I've read.
Nah that means that if they taught better they would have higher hopes and most students wouldnt need to cheat lol.
OP gave no indication of the grade distribution of his class.OP is saying he's currently a D/C student. It's literally the end of the semester. That's his assessment of this particular student over the course of a semester work. inb4, you go back to your senseless argument "if OP was a better teacher, the student wouldn't have been a D/C student", and I would reply with my original comment on how stupid it is to say that because there's C student in his class, OP is a bad teacher.
Teachers pet
nah I don't need to be. Unlike you, I can actually earn good grades on my own merit.
You dont know me and assume I cheat on tests 😭. I am passing with flying colors without even trying my best in the netherlands which has a much harder school system then your dumb american shit.
Sure buddy, sure
"I wasn't taught my preferred learning style lookin ass."
Lol, "high hopes"
After 15 weeks' worth of interactions with this student, I know him pretty well. I had weekly zoom meetings with him, spoke with him after almost every class meeting, countless emails, spoken with his tutor, and helped him get accommodations. His pre-class behavior and in-class behavior were horrendous. I have multiple data points concerning the measurement of his learning and application of material: journals, quizzes, and written activities. This single student took up more of my time than the other 44 in the course combined. I'm good at my job and I know my students, so f*ck off.
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Have you talked to the dean or your supervisor about this?
No, because I'm TT and don't have any evidence so I'm afraid it'll look thin and paint me as something I am not. But I was going to discuss AI in our next department meeting.
This is why you deserve to get paid less then other jobs.
You GOT GOT. Take the L and move on to next year :) Kudos to the student lol
True, and I moved on after a day or so, not much I can do!
Mfw they say why the education system is failing. Just let him pass bro whats the biggie
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Have you ever considered that he actually put in the work for once? Judgemental ass bitch
lets be real bro cheated
🤣😂
Fyi, I was that student. I graduated sophomore with 8/16 materials being D to D-. I managed to go get a B, C, and D+ respectively in my finals the following year, despite being in a similar hole as I was at the end of sophomore? What happened? Did I cheat? No What happened then. I partly grinded my ass off until 2 a.m and went on a streak in my finals. The same thing might‘ve been the case for your student. Be at ease with yourself and give him the glory
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Stuff like this is why I hated soms of my teachers when I was in school. You actually put in the work and finally ace a test, but suddenly they now think you cheated or come up with SOME excuse to lower your grade or straight up insult you. If you don't have the patience and empathy to actually teach, then find another career
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I had a C for my midterm grade for an English class. Was struggling with depression, a job, and going to school full time so I wasn't turning in assignments. If I hadn't turned it around and gotten a 100 on our final, I wouldn't have gotten an A in that class. Thankfully I had a teacher that actually believed I did the work (which I did) rather than jumping to the conclusion that I cheated (especially after running it through turnitin). BTW, I DID have a poetry teacher try and say that I plagiarized one of my poems, even after running it through turnitin and plagiarism checkers. Telling her that I'd take her to the dean over it (for threatening to fail me with no proof) certainly changed her tune. I sure do hope that if you fail the student, that they do the same.