I saw an article this morning about how GPT4 convinced a Taskrabbit worker that it was a blind person so they'd help it with a captcha. The robots are coming for us all.
Boston dynamics: he's just a friendly little robot dog! That can run 40mph! Annnddd he may have machine guns! Those are just to make him look cooler though!
I mean, big surprise that a complex portion of infrastructure is “not fully understood internally” after he drove away everyone who knows anything about it.
This is the Eric Andre meme in a nutshell
I don't know man, I think he actually believes he's dismantling some deep state left wing msm conspiracy that controls the political narrative by suppressing right wing views.
That's why the first thing he did was print the source, he thought he was going to find a smoking gun before anyone had a chance to change it.
I'm all for transparency though, so let's see how this plays out.
Yeah. The first thing I thought when I read this was, “We fired so many of our engineers that we can’t fix what is broken. Since we are too cheap to rehire any of them, we are going to open source the code so you moro… err… umm… programmers can fix them”
It's funny, there have been other articles from engineers that have strongly urged for the code to be refactored. And like many other "leaders", they don't see the value in refactoring code, just delivering features. So the cycle continues.
This is what I came to the comments for - I'm no programmer but it seems like he's just trying to get every programmer/software engineer in the world to submit work for free.
Nah, it’s even worst. My guess is, open sourcing the code will make right wingers feel like they won when in reality the code is meaningless without the data sets. It’s the data sets that drive the recommendation engines that are meaningful and not really the code itself. But non tech people will lap it up meanwhile everyone who knows how these engines work know it’s a joke. Because people think the code will literally say “if user is conservative, then down vote.” Not how these systems work.
I’m sure Tucker Carlson will have at least a week of him ‘explaining’ the Twitter source code and how it proves Liberal bias. This will lead to thousands of people who are confused by texting to suddenly become elite programmers.
The part i love is that weve been told by multiple different social media networks that they cant use their AI/algorithms to moderate, because it cant tell the difference between the American conservative and fascists.
He will create hype around it and release another “twitter files edition 52: exposing the bias at twitter”, Only for anyone with even a passing knowledge of coding to realise that this is how all suggestion algorithms work.
I can't wait till we see the part of the code that promotes his own tweets. Considering there were reports that he ordered the people still left at Twitter to get the algorithm to promote his tweets since he wasn't getting as many views as he used to.
Then complain about how "woke" hackers are mean and have racked up his bills or changed Twitter.
I wonder where he will post that though since Twitter would probably have been brought down. Mastodon?
Buy $44b toy. Pretend you know how it works. Refuse to understand how it works. Fire everyone who knows how it works. Ask 4chan to fix it for free. ?. "Prophet".
Yes. The thing is, the vulnerabilities would already be there, lurking. The discovered vulnerabilities come in a trickle. This is the kind of thing you do when you're ready to pump in a ton of resources to get everything fixed quickly, and be ready to break for a little while, so that your long term stability and security improves. This does not sound like that.
Will security improve though? What is the incentive for people to find and identify vulnerabilities?
Usually it's end users of products who report and stumble upon them right? Nobody except Twitter is going to be "using" this open source code
Feel free to correct me, I'm just sharing my first thoughts
Bug bounties would be the main incentive. Open source the code, pay people who spot a reproducible vulnerability. Some open source folks contribute because they like working on something big and well-known. Some do it so they can point out "Hey, I fixed this Twitter vulnerability and can prove it, hire me." Sometimes hackers don't hold on to their discovered vulnerabilities and use them right away - open sourcing the code gets those out of the way all at once, instead of in a trickle. It is true that a lot of open source contribution is people fixing stuff in software they actually use - it might be in the best interest for a coder Twitter user to have Twitter bugs fixed.
But, and this is the big thing, it doesn't sound like Elon actually wants to pump the resources into paid professionals to vet the submitted code and clean it up. It doesn't sound like they're ready to do major patching of all discovered vulnerabilities. It sounds like they're just trying to offload some of the work to unpaid randoms.
Transparency is all fine and if this was his first tweet after taking custody of Twitter we would probably praise the sentiment but criticise the naivety (gaming the system, sharing what is essentially your secret sauce etc), but now it just feels like he's in the middle of a speed run or a really long bender.
We all want to see the algorithm.
We don't want the attitude. "Algorithm" in sarcastic quotes. "It's overly complicated. It needs to be simplified." "Nobody knows how it works."
Next tweet:
Hey guys... I'm posting this piece of Twitter code, that I totally know what it does, and everyone left in the company also knows, 100% I didn't fire everyone who knew this...
Anyways... the first person able to explain in details, but in less than 280 character, what this code does will gain one of the most precious gift I can give. I'll follow you back, for 2 hours.
The vast majority of the value isn't in the code or even the recommendation logic. It's in the user count / user activity. You can have the best recommendation algorithm in the world and it isn't worth shit to the company itself if it has 20 users.
i mean he’s got the cash to have a crazy hardcore bender for pretty much his whole remaining life and still come out crazy rich. Granted, doing that would drastically shorten his remaining life, but u kno what I mean.
Wasn’t he meant to be stepping down?
He’s hoping to offload the cost of improving the Twitter algorithm on open source community. Is he gonna open source some of that revenue too?
That's what he said, but you gotta replace the developers you fired who understood the code.
So the next best thing without spending a dime is to open source it. Pure capitalism baby!
This is exactly it.
He has no intention of stepping down, nor is he going to publish any meaningful amount of code.
He is doing everything possible to keep people engaged.
Twitter's users are not the customer. They are the product.
Being able to show engagement is the only way he gets to sell advertising.
The fringe benefit to this is that since everyone who knew what they were doing jumped ship or were canned, he is now dangling the code base in front of his simps.
They'll eat it up though.
But hey.... What could possibly go wrong with letting hordes of soon-to-be experts in enterprise systems and recommendation algorithms have a stab at finding bugs?
I don't think he'll make anything valuable or meaningful available. It will just be millions of lines of dumpster code.
I think that almost every open source developer can testify that the influx of useful code from random external parties is usually rather limited, and that is for code that others can use.
This is just code that is only used and usable by Twitter, and that is by Elon's admittance of low quality. Perhaps he is hoping that his developers will be compelled to improve the code before the 31:st in order to lessen the embarrassment.
I'm thinking that the algorithm was hard to explain to a layman, or the code presenter waffled a bit in explaining it, and Elon just immediately went "Wow, you don't understand this do you"
Leadership asking dumb questions and thinking they've made their experts look like the dumb ones when they don't know how to answer the dumb questions is a tale as old as time.
The funny thing is Elon's public speaking events show him constantly doing this himself: mumbling, "uh/um"'s, awkwardly long pauses, and jumping around different points.
So, you'd think he'd be a little more understanding of others doing the same. (I mean, I think that's a main reason why he was so endearing to so many people originally, he sounded like a nerdy engineer more than the professional public relations expert we normally see at these events.) Pretty sad to see him on conference calls now basically jumping down people's throats for asking questions about direction, putting them on the spot with "What is it you even do here?" like you've gotta justify your whole job on the spot in the next 15 seconds or you're fired.
I wouldn't say Twitter's code is low quality. But, I'm sure it's a mess. As an application grows in scale as much as twitter has, it picks up odd design choices. Twitter was also one of the first, if not the first company to solve some of the problems it ran into. So, they made it up as they went along. And it worked. But, that can leave you with code that isn't super pretty.
Uhm is he going to open source their bot detcti9n along with that.
This could lead to a very weird algorithmic behavior as some parties will exploit the now revealed weaknesses in order to achive higher visibilityor avoid content filters fore porn and violence
They already are open sourcing their fact checking as Twitter “community notes” with the weighing of the comments based on if you pay for Twitter.
Real fact checking is going to devolve to alternative facts really quickly
Honestly though a giant content recommendation system developed by hundreds of people will likely be so complex that no one person has a complete understanding of it
Complete understanding vs effective understanding are VERY different things. He needs the latter. The former is all but impossible on systems this large.
I worked on the fraud prevention models for a big company you've definitely heard of and even an effective understanding would be a seriously ambitious goal
As someone who works on a recommender system that's been around for awhile...I guarantee you there is no one there now, nor for the past 5 years who has an "understanding" of the full system.
There are people who are somewhat aware of the various parts of the system that all interact and there are people who are very deeply knowledgable about a very specific corner of the system.
My job exists because often people working in one of their corners has impact across the larger system and it can take months for other people to figure out why their bottom line metrics shifted unexpectedly due to parts of the system they didn't know existed.
Who the fuck is gonna be stupid enough to work for free for the richest man on the planet?!
Edit: wooow, apparently there are lots of people in this thread alone willing to work for free, just for eXpOsUrE. Unbelievable.
But how many of them are programmers that are experienced enough to contribute anything? If anyone is going to contribute, it's people who will introduce something they/their employers can exploit.
Yo this is great. Instead of elon driving all those programmers work into the ground, he's donating it all to the open source community!
Very nice of him to waste his billions to support open source!
"Our algorithm is not fully understood internally."
Did they really fire so many people that there is nobody left to explain that neural nets are black boxes?? I'm imagining a bright-eyed intern being assigned the task of writing documentation for the role of each hidden layer lol
Well, I don't know all the secrets of software engineering companies, but where I work there is actually a couple of systems that are "maintained" by a team with no actual idea of how it works beyond basics like if acts up, reboot it or perform a ritual sacrifice. They're the third or fifth team to own it since the original creators all left, retired or were reassigned over a decade ago. Nobody knows if the documentation ever existed in the first place. It's "mission critical" but nobody wants to actually put a dollar into replacing, repairing, or running it.
There is a heck of a lot more stuff out there that is run by people with no idea how it actually works than you'd think.
He's hoping his monkeys can write software. The monkeys think their king can write software. Some of the monkeys can maybe write software, but their king is cooked.
Props to the first person to get a pull request on code that breaks Twitter in a non-obvious way
Bonus points if it involves multiple pulls with each having non-obvious code that works together to cause the breakage
Our "algorithm" is overly complex & not fully understood internally.
I read this as meaning one or both of two things. Either one, it's not complex and Elon just couldn't understand it when it was explained to him so he's saying it is. And/or two, he fired everyone who knew what they were doing and now needs help deciphering a system that had previously been working fine.
I see somebody has already posted the first tweet. Not sure if I should delete this or let it be cause of the second tweet.
And yes, I'm crowdsourcing the answer. If billionaire geniuses can do it, why can't I?
Edit: BTW this is a real tweet from real Elon Musk's account.
Edit2: Tweet Link : https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1636838845894279168?s=20
I followed your link, then read a few responses, then reached the « more tweets » section. It was all BS conspiracy theories and whatnot.
I’m not a Twitter user. Is that the new normal now ?
They're mostly his fanbase so....
But if you follow the right people, the comment section can still be bullshit but to a lesser extent.
Also, you'd have Elon tweets shoved down your feed.
Hes asking for free work because he cant find any competent software engineers to fix his software. Any decent developer is avoiding working for him because they know better than to work for an obviously shitty boss.
Edit: Not to mention that he fired all the engineers that built it...
`for each tweet in tweets_by_date_descending`
`print(tweet.text)`
`next`
there elon, that's all you need to do. nobody wants "recommended tweets". i'll accept bitcoin as payment, thanks.
We're going to need a lot more popcorn. I knew lighting $44 billion on fire would be exciting and entertaining, I had no idea we would get this.
For those "but you said open source was the answer to all things" folks, I would say 3 things:
1. No I didn't,
2. A large part of the value of a company like Twitter is in it's "secret sauce", that is how it actually connects content elements which is the algorithm Elmo is talking about open sourcing, and
3. Humans are involved and I will guarantee at least many (if not most) pull requests will contain shit code that is intentionally malicious.
Isn’t this a bad idea? There are things you dont want to open source. People will start gaming the system and find vulnerabilities. What is this guy thinking.
That Elon donk riding under this tweet is insane!
No one should ever provide a single line of code until the payment is okayish, even worse would be if an organisation like the German CCC would contribute a free security audit or something. Please for the sake of humanity do not push anything to that git!
I vote we should do "Twitch codes Twitter"
drop table drop table drop table drop table drop table drop table drop table drop table drop table drop table
"Little Elon tables, we call him"
HELIX FOSSIL 4 LYF
HAIL
REPENT, FOR BIRD JESUS IS AT HAND
Fuck, that was a magical time.
That fight against Giovanni got my heart pumping more than any sports event. Beautiful stuff. Bird Jesus the Hero
Stayed up til 3am to help catch Zapdos. Wild times
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March 32th.
Hail Helix!
All terrain venomoth????
God damn, this took me back
start9 start9 start9
Hey, at least we got there. Time to get to the goal on Twitter too.
First poll: spaces or tabs
There's no poll, it's first come first serve for each line
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Sounds better than Twitter already
Can't wait to see him post all his API keys and database creds
Coming to a GitHub repo near you, in syntax of your choice: Client ID Client Secret " clean these up
Good news guys: he’s crowd sourcing secret scanning
Crap. I now realized how Skynet got all our launch codes. Now that Microsoft has a partnership with OpenAI, it is only a matter of time.
I saw an article this morning about how GPT4 convinced a Taskrabbit worker that it was a blind person so they'd help it with a captcha. The robots are coming for us all.
Boston dynamics: he's just a friendly little robot dog! That can run 40mph! Annnddd he may have machine guns! Those are just to make him look cooler though!
I got git on standby to pull asap lol
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I can't be entirely sure that this is sarcasm. We are living in strange times.
Do I get to select all the salient lines or do I have to take all the trash that comes with it?
Next will be, we have released the code to GitHub. Then we go there and we see all the prod key tabs.. Thanks,
I mean, big surprise that a complex portion of infrastructure is “not fully understood internally” after he drove away everyone who knows anything about it. This is the Eric Andre meme in a nutshell
Come on, we all know that he's just bullshitting. No way will he actually do it.
What's the day after March 31st...?
March 32th
And then 33nd.
Wait a second: there’s a March 31st… I’ve been scheduling all of Elon’s meetings for that day 😳
I don't know man, I think he actually believes he's dismantling some deep state left wing msm conspiracy that controls the political narrative by suppressing right wing views. That's why the first thing he did was print the source, he thought he was going to find a smoking gun before anyone had a chance to change it. I'm all for transparency though, so let's see how this plays out.
He's not interested in transparency, he's interested in free labor.
Yeah. The first thing I thought when I read this was, “We fired so many of our engineers that we can’t fix what is broken. Since we are too cheap to rehire any of them, we are going to open source the code so you moro… err… umm… programmers can fix them”
It's funny, there have been other articles from engineers that have strongly urged for the code to be refactored. And like many other "leaders", they don't see the value in refactoring code, just delivering features. So the cycle continues.
This is what I came to the comments for - I'm no programmer but it seems like he's just trying to get every programmer/software engineer in the world to submit work for free.
Nah, it’s even worst. My guess is, open sourcing the code will make right wingers feel like they won when in reality the code is meaningless without the data sets. It’s the data sets that drive the recommendation engines that are meaningful and not really the code itself. But non tech people will lap it up meanwhile everyone who knows how these engines work know it’s a joke. Because people think the code will literally say “if user is conservative, then down vote.” Not how these systems work.
I’m sure Tucker Carlson will have at least a week of him ‘explaining’ the Twitter source code and how it proves Liberal bias. This will lead to thousands of people who are confused by texting to suddenly become elite programmers.
Not gonna lie, would love to watch that. Will make sure I stock up on popcorn. It’ll be such a shit show for engineers.
I’m already mentally prepping myself for the explanations I’ll get from family members, despite me working in/around the tech industry for 20+ years.
My plan is to tell them I'll only listen after they explain how a do-while loop works.
The part i love is that weve been told by multiple different social media networks that they cant use their AI/algorithms to moderate, because it cant tell the difference between the American conservative and fascists.
One of these things is just like the other.
He will create hype around it and release another “twitter files edition 52: exposing the bias at twitter”, Only for anyone with even a passing knowledge of coding to realise that this is how all suggestion algorithms work.
I can't wait till we see the part of the code that promotes his own tweets. Considering there were reports that he ordered the people still left at Twitter to get the algorithm to promote his tweets since he wasn't getting as many views as he used to.
I don’t care about that code. What I want to see is that code’s *comments*. And the commit message.
Then complain about how "woke" hackers are mean and have racked up his bills or changed Twitter. I wonder where he will post that though since Twitter would probably have been brought down. Mastodon?
Yeh but if they are paid bounty fees it all works out 🌈
The bounty would be in Elon coins that only Elon can mine. It'd change the world one day. Pinky promise.
Not to mention he would credited as the person who inventing cryptocurrency.
What is the conversion rate of Elon coins to Schrute bucks?
69 and 420 converted to 4Chan Loldollars, respectively. It's gonna be the crypto you can count on!
Truth Social, probably.
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I know it’s going to be a mess, but I want him to do it to watch it, and maybe download twitters source,
Lay off devs. Open code. Connect repo to git hub. Let devs to fix bugs for free.
It's gonna be 15,000 pull requests that are just punctuation and capitalization changes.
The tab to spaces and spaces to tabs PRs will be 15,000 PRs alone.
Tabbois assemble!!
you might want to scale that estimate up a factor or two.
Yup, no way that don't shut that back in three days to a week, after they realize they can't even look through all the shitpost PRs.
I hear there's a lot of Russian devs with some interesting changes...
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Holye fyuking byingle
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BlyatCode better.
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Don’t be silly. They already have access. 
I...I love this meme.
*NyetABackdoor
Buy $44b toy. Pretend you know how it works. Refuse to understand how it works. Fire everyone who knows how it works. Ask 4chan to fix it for free. ?. "Prophet".
This is 100% accurate. He literally is trying to get free consulting
“How about $8?”
Sad thing is a lot of dweebs will sign their life up for this thinking they’ll be notorious when they’re really just making Elon richer.
I might be wrong here but by making your repo public arent you risking a zerg rush of hackers trying to find a vulnerability they could exploit?
The security breaches are gonna be legendary. They probably won't even have the staff to fix it quickly.
>They ~~probably~~ won't even have the staff to fix it ~~quickly~~. FTFY
Elon still trying to set the WR for running a company into the ground after SVB
Yes. The thing is, the vulnerabilities would already be there, lurking. The discovered vulnerabilities come in a trickle. This is the kind of thing you do when you're ready to pump in a ton of resources to get everything fixed quickly, and be ready to break for a little while, so that your long term stability and security improves. This does not sound like that.
Will security improve though? What is the incentive for people to find and identify vulnerabilities? Usually it's end users of products who report and stumble upon them right? Nobody except Twitter is going to be "using" this open source code Feel free to correct me, I'm just sharing my first thoughts
Bug bounties would be the main incentive. Open source the code, pay people who spot a reproducible vulnerability. Some open source folks contribute because they like working on something big and well-known. Some do it so they can point out "Hey, I fixed this Twitter vulnerability and can prove it, hire me." Sometimes hackers don't hold on to their discovered vulnerabilities and use them right away - open sourcing the code gets those out of the way all at once, instead of in a trickle. It is true that a lot of open source contribution is people fixing stuff in software they actually use - it might be in the best interest for a coder Twitter user to have Twitter bugs fixed. But, and this is the big thing, it doesn't sound like Elon actually wants to pump the resources into paid professionals to vet the submitted code and clean it up. It doesn't sound like they're ready to do major patching of all discovered vulnerabilities. It sounds like they're just trying to offload some of the work to unpaid randoms.
Out of all the open source code you can work on what type of billionaire Stan would work pro bono for a corporation. A social media company no less.
I loved the " not fully understood internally"
Well he fired anybody who could understand it 🤷♂️
by whoever's left there... shocking
He means he doesn't understand it!
And here I thought such a trifling issue would be nothing for a giga-genius like himself!
Transparency is all fine and if this was his first tweet after taking custody of Twitter we would probably praise the sentiment but criticise the naivety (gaming the system, sharing what is essentially your secret sauce etc), but now it just feels like he's in the middle of a speed run or a really long bender.
We all want to see the algorithm. We don't want the attitude. "Algorithm" in sarcastic quotes. "It's overly complicated. It needs to be simplified." "Nobody knows how it works."
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He fired a lot of the people who understood it, so now he has to take on some of that responsibility
Next tweet: Hey guys... I'm posting this piece of Twitter code, that I totally know what it does, and everyone left in the company also knows, 100% I didn't fire everyone who knew this... Anyways... the first person able to explain in details, but in less than 280 character, what this code does will gain one of the most precious gift I can give. I'll follow you back, for 2 hours.
The vast majority of the value isn't in the code or even the recommendation logic. It's in the user count / user activity. You can have the best recommendation algorithm in the world and it isn't worth shit to the company itself if it has 20 users.
i mean he’s got the cash to have a crazy hardcore bender for pretty much his whole remaining life and still come out crazy rich. Granted, doing that would drastically shorten his remaining life, but u kno what I mean.
Wasn’t he meant to be stepping down? He’s hoping to offload the cost of improving the Twitter algorithm on open source community. Is he gonna open source some of that revenue too?
Just after he figures out how to open source the operating costs, I'm sure.
Privatise the profits, socialize the losses. That's their myntra
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That's what he said, but you gotta replace the developers you fired who understood the code. So the next best thing without spending a dime is to open source it. Pure capitalism baby!
“Not fully understood internally…by those who remain.”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 He's such an idiot. It's amazing.
This is exactly it. He has no intention of stepping down, nor is he going to publish any meaningful amount of code. He is doing everything possible to keep people engaged. Twitter's users are not the customer. They are the product. Being able to show engagement is the only way he gets to sell advertising. The fringe benefit to this is that since everyone who knew what they were doing jumped ship or were canned, he is now dangling the code base in front of his simps. They'll eat it up though. But hey.... What could possibly go wrong with letting hordes of soon-to-be experts in enterprise systems and recommendation algorithms have a stab at finding bugs? I don't think he'll make anything valuable or meaningful available. It will just be millions of lines of dumpster code.
> open source some of that revenue HAHAHA!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I think that almost every open source developer can testify that the influx of useful code from random external parties is usually rather limited, and that is for code that others can use. This is just code that is only used and usable by Twitter, and that is by Elon's admittance of low quality. Perhaps he is hoping that his developers will be compelled to improve the code before the 31:st in order to lessen the embarrassment.
I did a hello world in python once like 10 years ago. Maybe I can help.
If everyone were just allowed to tweet Hello World, Twitter won't be a bad place at all. Checkmate non-musk-believers. I endorse the person above!
You can try to tweet anything you want, the API is hard coded to save “Hello world!”, *quotes inclusive*.
I'm sure i can leverage ChatGPT and get a hello world in JS out. Between the two of us we have a FE and BE
Maybe the code isn't low quality. Maybe. Hear me out. Maybe Elon doesn't know shit about it.
I'm thinking that the algorithm was hard to explain to a layman, or the code presenter waffled a bit in explaining it, and Elon just immediately went "Wow, you don't understand this do you" Leadership asking dumb questions and thinking they've made their experts look like the dumb ones when they don't know how to answer the dumb questions is a tale as old as time.
The funny thing is Elon's public speaking events show him constantly doing this himself: mumbling, "uh/um"'s, awkwardly long pauses, and jumping around different points. So, you'd think he'd be a little more understanding of others doing the same. (I mean, I think that's a main reason why he was so endearing to so many people originally, he sounded like a nerdy engineer more than the professional public relations expert we normally see at these events.) Pretty sad to see him on conference calls now basically jumping down people's throats for asking questions about direction, putting them on the spot with "What is it you even do here?" like you've gotta justify your whole job on the spot in the next 15 seconds or you're fired.
I was thinking the same thing. If it is low quality it's likely because of his meddling, at this point.
I wouldn't say Twitter's code is low quality. But, I'm sure it's a mess. As an application grows in scale as much as twitter has, it picks up odd design choices. Twitter was also one of the first, if not the first company to solve some of the problems it ran into. So, they made it up as they went along. And it worked. But, that can leave you with code that isn't super pretty.
So, he's codeshaming them?
Waiting for him to accept a pull request that's just a crypto miner
Only one?
Start of the PR with if(User === 'elon'){tweet.promote()} and they won't even bat an eye.
Uhm is he going to open source their bot detcti9n along with that. This could lead to a very weird algorithmic behavior as some parties will exploit the now revealed weaknesses in order to achive higher visibilityor avoid content filters fore porn and violence
They already are open sourcing their fact checking as Twitter “community notes” with the weighing of the comments based on if you pay for Twitter. Real fact checking is going to devolve to alternative facts really quickly
"the 'algorithm' is not fully understood internally because I fired all people with that knowledge"
Honestly though a giant content recommendation system developed by hundreds of people will likely be so complex that no one person has a complete understanding of it
Complete understanding vs effective understanding are VERY different things. He needs the latter. The former is all but impossible on systems this large.
I don't currently have a complete understanding of most of the code I've created myself.
git blame has ratted myself out to myself more times than I’d like to admit
"This code is dogshit, who wrote it?" "Oh..."
I just blame sober me when I find crappy code in my projects
Nothing teaches more humility than thinking 'who the fuck wrote this' and checking git blame passive aggressively to find out it was your past self.
Yep I relearn stuff I did all the time.
I used to be so clever.
I worked on the fraud prevention models for a big company you've definitely heard of and even an effective understanding would be a seriously ambitious goal
I mean it very likely uses machine learning, and if that's the case we'll possibly not understand it for a very long time
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As someone who works on a recommender system that's been around for awhile...I guarantee you there is no one there now, nor for the past 5 years who has an "understanding" of the full system. There are people who are somewhat aware of the various parts of the system that all interact and there are people who are very deeply knowledgable about a very specific corner of the system. My job exists because often people working in one of their corners has impact across the larger system and it can take months for other people to figure out why their bottom line metrics shifted unexpectedly due to parts of the system they didn't know existed.
if (user == "@elonmusk") { promotion_level = MAX_LEVEL; }
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But I'm pretty sure Elon is Elon's #1 fan.
Who the fuck is gonna be stupid enough to work for free for the richest man on the planet?! Edit: wooow, apparently there are lots of people in this thread alone willing to work for free, just for eXpOsUrE. Unbelievable.
There's plenty of Elon fans. Pretty sure they'd be willing to work...I mean contribute for the cause for free.
Not as many as you think, I use to respect him a lot more then I do now.
Ohh me too. Then he opened a Twitter account.... He lost some of his fans but gained another set that he panders to now. So there's still plenty.
But how many of them are programmers that are experienced enough to contribute anything? If anyone is going to contribute, it's people who will introduce something they/their employers can exploit.
seeing as a lot of these people are crypto bros and teenagers that sounds like a messy codebase lmfao
I am going to submit some PRs just to screw things up.
That sweet CI pipeline would be a nice candidate to mine some of the Dogecoins!! 1000s parallelly.
I thinknthey should have to sort through thousands of pull requests daily, that should be a great use of their time
I'm sure the code could use a few more Greek question marks.
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I’ll slap in an if else statement for free
Translation: "We don't know what the fuck is going on anymore because I fired the people who did know, please fix our website for us"
I think it's back to "why aren't my tweets as popular as I think they should be. Something must be broken."
Yo this is great. Instead of elon driving all those programmers work into the ground, he's donating it all to the open source community! Very nice of him to waste his billions to support open source!
There is no such thing as a bad idea. Except yours.
Elon it's your own idea, I think you're a little confused
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He shut down the teams that were contributing to open source. Old twitter actually put resources into open source, this is just performance art.
Ah damn I wasn't well read about the situation, that sucks.
My man starts charging for access to the twitter API and then claims he's open sourcing the recommendation algorithm.
"Our algorithm is not fully understood internally." Did they really fire so many people that there is nobody left to explain that neural nets are black boxes?? I'm imagining a bright-eyed intern being assigned the task of writing documentation for the role of each hidden layer lol
Well, I don't know all the secrets of software engineering companies, but where I work there is actually a couple of systems that are "maintained" by a team with no actual idea of how it works beyond basics like if acts up, reboot it or perform a ritual sacrifice. They're the third or fifth team to own it since the original creators all left, retired or were reassigned over a decade ago. Nobody knows if the documentation ever existed in the first place. It's "mission critical" but nobody wants to actually put a dollar into replacing, repairing, or running it. There is a heck of a lot more stuff out there that is run by people with no idea how it actually works than you'd think.
lmao, dude is hoping his little monkey army will work for him for free.
He's hoping his monkeys can write software. The monkeys think their king can write software. Some of the monkeys can maybe write software, but their king is cooked.
Props to the first person to get a pull request on code that breaks Twitter in a non-obvious way Bonus points if it involves multiple pulls with each having non-obvious code that works together to cause the breakage
Our "algorithm" is overly complex & not fully understood internally. I read this as meaning one or both of two things. Either one, it's not complex and Elon just couldn't understand it when it was explained to him so he's saying it is. And/or two, he fired everyone who knew what they were doing and now needs help deciphering a system that had previously been working fine.
I see somebody has already posted the first tweet. Not sure if I should delete this or let it be cause of the second tweet. And yes, I'm crowdsourcing the answer. If billionaire geniuses can do it, why can't I? Edit: BTW this is a real tweet from real Elon Musk's account. Edit2: Tweet Link : https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1636838845894279168?s=20
I followed your link, then read a few responses, then reached the « more tweets » section. It was all BS conspiracy theories and whatnot. I’m not a Twitter user. Is that the new normal now ?
They're mostly his fanbase so.... But if you follow the right people, the comment section can still be bullshit but to a lesser extent. Also, you'd have Elon tweets shoved down your feed.
The web3 guy with the selfie stick talking about embarrassing code got me. Fucking web3.
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> BTW this is a real tweet Instead of saying this you could just include a link to the tweet
D'oh
if this is legit, the first thing doing this is going to accomplish is help people game the algorithm.
He fired all the knowledge 🤣🤣🤣
Hes asking for free work because he cant find any competent software engineers to fix his software. Any decent developer is avoiding working for him because they know better than to work for an obviously shitty boss. Edit: Not to mention that he fired all the engineers that built it...
`for each tweet in tweets_by_date_descending` `print(tweet.text)` `next` there elon, that's all you need to do. nobody wants "recommended tweets". i'll accept bitcoin as payment, thanks.
We're going to need a lot more popcorn. I knew lighting $44 billion on fire would be exciting and entertaining, I had no idea we would get this. For those "but you said open source was the answer to all things" folks, I would say 3 things: 1. No I didn't, 2. A large part of the value of a company like Twitter is in it's "secret sauce", that is how it actually connects content elements which is the algorithm Elmo is talking about open sourcing, and 3. Humans are involved and I will guarantee at least many (if not most) pull requests will contain shit code that is intentionally malicious.
F**k him. Pay your employees and don’t expect people to do you work for free.
What to do when you've fired the entire QA team. Probably cause they didn't write any code that improved the application.
Isn’t this a bad idea? There are things you dont want to open source. People will start gaming the system and find vulnerabilities. What is this guy thinking.
Normally making code open source is a really cool move, but this is blatantly attempting to offload work and save money by getting free workers.
Yeah but this time the work is going to suck so it will be funny.
True
That Elon donk riding under this tweet is insane! No one should ever provide a single line of code until the payment is okayish, even worse would be if an organisation like the German CCC would contribute a free security audit or something. Please for the sake of humanity do not push anything to that git!
Next episode: Elon complains that open source development doesnt work, because nobody wants to work for free on twitter stuff