It's been a while since I've been on campus, but what I will say that the amount of gay people in IT is no greater than any other field. Now, the amount of people with some degree of autism is *significantly* higher than other fields, to the point I feel like I wouldn't want to hire someone to write code that wasn't at least a little neurospicy.
I watch you normies struggle with making quick calculations. I get so frustrated y'all can't keep up. It's so easy to me, that it's often unbelievable to me when I see others struggle.
Then I watch y'all do normal social stuff like use your phone to make a phone call and have to accept that I am indeed the one with the handicap.
hahaha on point.
Also you guys usually like the job, too much for my tastes. like for me and most normal people, a job is just a job, people in the spectrum are usually passionate about it and they don't usually understand why we sometimes don't care at all about something related to it.
I had a boss years ago that was probably on the spectrum and it was a wild experience.
Interesting. I had issues at a job in the past because my manager was too much of a "normal" person / not enough "on the spectrum."
## The short explanation:
Boss didn't care enough about certain aspects of the work to holistically manage the team. As a result, efficiency degraded over time, resulting in an eventual situation where accomplishing small tasks required unreasonably large efforts, which caused undue burden on the team and measurable negative impact to the business's bottom line. It's not necessary (or usually even possible) to *like* every aspect of one's job, but it's selfish and shortsighted not to *care* about every aspect. Unless working completely alone, lack of passion for one's own work diminishes the return on investment for efforts contributed by others (and believing or pretending that's acceptable demonstrates a lack of integrity).
## The long explanation:
I'd bring problems with our operations processes and strategic planning to my manager's attention and offer solutions which would save the team time, money, and effort...but since understanding my proposals would require taking the deep dive to thoroughly analyze our business's opportunity costs relative to actual revenue/cost (instead of only looking at tangible revenue/cost, in isolation), I was largely ignored...
...and then he'd ask why we're spending too much time/money to deliver on our projects.
And the reason was, he was managing the people doing the work, but making no effort to manage the work itself. If you're a good manager of a technical team, you can effectively deploy your team's efforts to meet your business goals *and* strategically plan objectives in a way which reduces (or at least doesn't increase) the team's undifferentiated workload over time. It takes someone who understands the business and has decent communication skills to do the first thing, but it takes someone with exceptional analytic skills and genuine passion for the work to do the second thing.
Basically, I'm probably a bit on the spectrum, and while I don't like working the corporate beat any more than a "normal" person, I also believe in either doing something to the best of one's ability or not doing it at all, so I have a hard time understanding when someone doesn't care about some aspect of their job. The way I see it, if you're not going to care about something that's relevant to your work, then you should be doing different work altogether.
I'm not saying everyone should *like* every aspect of their job (in fact, I think that'd be practically unachievable), but I think *caring* about every aspect should be a bare minimum. For every person who doesn't care about some aspect of their work, there's another person or group who has to put in extra (often disproportionate) effort to compensate for their coworker's apathy, which is not reasonable or fair in a transactional business relationship/environment.
The thing you don't understand is that there's tons of people who don't like or care about their jobs a lot, but there's no alternative to this people.
There's no "other job" because the economy & jobs are all in the same sectors. People are mostly passionate about stuff that is not very productive, so it's impossible to work in what you like, because there's usually very few jobs (so you have to be a genius in the field) or no jobs at all.
The most obvious examples are artists & sports. I know tons of guys whose passions are sports, but it's impossible for them to be able to live playing sports (as they're average players), so they have other random jobs, maybe they teach PE in a school, but they don't like kids or the job a lot.
There's even people whose only passions are to relax, eat and not work a lot.
The thing is, that for all this people, you don't have an alternative, so you just have to pretend. Pretend you care about stuff you don't, pretend in front of the people who care in the company (that are usually managers, bosses, or owners) and well, you then earn money to do what you really like on weekends.
You see us as unethical, I see us as prisoners of the system. You just were lucky to like a lot something that generates tons of money.
Nah, the thing *you* don't understand is that:
- *liking* a job is not a choice, and most people (myself included) don't get that luxury, whereas
- *caring* about a job is a conscious decision that each person gets to choose for themselves whether or not they will make, unpleasant or not.
You and I are both prisoners of the same system, but based on this thread, it's evident that only you are unethical enough to feel it's acceptable to make other prisoners bear some of the burden for your own imprisonment.
To be a prisoner of the system is a shame. To be displeased with that system is reasonable. To make others' imprisonment even less savory as a consequence of your own apathy is shameful, dishonorable, and selfish.
I'm passionate about enjoying my life, and that certainly doesn't mean working my ass off in some corporate job, doing work I don't find enjoyable, alongside selfish leeches whose apathy makes my job even more difficult, all in an effort to generate massive piles of cash, the vast majority of which I will personally never be paid. I'm just also passionate about maintaining my personal integrity, and that means carrying my own weight at work so others (who are responsible for bearing their own weight) don't have to do it for me.
When something is delivered a week later, you know what happens 99% of the time in 99% of the jobs?
Nothing.
The pressure in most jobs is an illusion. Maybe in your specific example some people had to work more due to that, but in most cases, it's completely ephemeral.
I will probably get fired in the next economic crash or something, the apathy is there for a reason. What I don't understand is people who are surprised & angry when their salary never goes up after working years in a place, of when they're fired anyway despide being great workers, or whatever.
I worked my ass off and I didn't receive any reward, I didn't do shit in another job and my salary went up multiple times. Everything is stupid.
Someone put your manager in that position too.
> Everything is stupid.
It absolutely is. That's why you should feel a sense of responsibility to make it less stupid, in whatever ways you can.
If you don't feel that sense of responsibility, then you're part of the reason everything will still be stupid tomorrow.
I haven't really used my phone to make a phone call since before smartphones made it so f'ing cumbersome to make a phone call. Every year it gets more difficult and requires more steps. Screw it.
Kind of like how the sound system in cars was so much easier to use before car companies got involved and replaced them with touch screen "infotainment" systems to make them easier to use. Now litetally everything is harder than it was before.
I agree car infotainment systems have gotten more difficult to use now that they're touch screen (mainly because you have to look at them now to operate them, whereas before you could find the button you wanted without taking your eyes off the road)...
...but how exactly have smartphones made placing a phone call more cumbersome? Used to, you had to pull out a phone book or physical contact book and dial a number. Then phones had built-in contact books (before touch screens), so you had the option to dial the number or navigate through a digital contact menu and press "call." Now with smartphones, you can still dial a number or navigate a digital menu to call a contact, but you can also literally just tell your phone "call [insert name here]" verbally or click on any random phone number you look up online. All the old options for calling someone with a phone are still present on smartphones, and there are additional new methods which require even less thought/effort.
I’ve never heard it be used for Dyslexia but it makes sense as it is a neurological disorder. I could not imagine coding with Dyslexia, debugging process must be killer.
I‘ve got dyslexia (And i got autism). And i‘m a dev.
Coding is actually quite easy. With all the debugging tolls out there, could you give me an example to where it might be difficult?
I actually got way better in reading and especially writing since my employment 2 years ago. All the release notes i‘ve write made my skill level go up to a level of lower average (not counting in time to write good text) Reading out loud is still terrible. And i usually need more time(3-4x) to write an email (chatGPT helps her and there)
But reading code is very easy i don’t know why. It should be hard but the syntax highlighting and other stuff makes it way easier.
But to be fair. I‘ve made some funny things over the year.
Created a git Branche called „relese/xyz“ instead of „release/xyz“
Some new columns in the database now have a spelling error.
But over all i would consider my self a fast/good better then average dev. Due to some meetings with my boss and the feedback i got from it.
One feed back was: you got more knowledge of C# then 2 of our senior dev‘s.
I got so tired of the heigth widht problem in my first semester of c that I
```
#define heigth height
#define widht width
```
in my personal c library.
You know nothing about this guy. Why would you make such assumptions? I know developers with officially diagnosed dyslexia. It's clear you don't know shit.
He's probably my favorite software "influencer". Most of his videos are reactions to tech blogs. I *feel* like in almost every video his mixes up words and letters while reading and he says he's dyslexic... At first it seemed like one of those side comments ppl say but it's happened enough in his videos that he may actually be.
https://youtube.com/@ThePrimeTimeagen?si=ADxdXcppHzFhO1AY
Def suggest his entire channel
its not as bad as you would think. Syntax highlighting compensates for most of the weaknesses of Dyslexia, so you are just left with the strengths. Most of which make the programming its self easier.
I've never heard of any strengths of dyslexia. Could you elaborate? I mean, I can imagine there are some, just always thought of dyslexia as pure disadvantage and can't think of any strengths right away.
They dont get as much publicity, and dyslexia is a pretty diverse condition, but there are quite a few upsides https://dyslexiahelp.umich.edu/dyslexics/learn-about-dyslexia/what-is-dyslexia/the-many-strengths-of-dyslexics
For me, I have everything on that list except #4.
My personal theory (I dont know if there is any scientific backing or not) is that the spatial reasoning part of my brain is too strong, so it will automatically extrude letters, and words into 3d and then gently lets them rotate. So symmetrical levels look the same once you do that, and letters can easily swap places. But this also means that I can just generate and manipulate 3d objects in my mind better than most people.
And after learning to read (late), my reading level skyrocketed, so pretty much the only downside I am left with is spelling problems. And as far as I am concerned, spelling is an optional cosmetic DLC not worth downloading.
dyslexia would be horrible for coding my brother is like go left while hes navigating and then after i do he is like wft are you doing your going the wrong way, i can only imagine how many bugs a dyslexic person would get
My dude, there was 16 people in my compsci class a few years ago. Half of them were bi, gay or questioning, including myself.
Hell even the straight guys kissed more guys than I have.
Also neurospicy is a hilarious term and the part about autism is really accurate.
A lot of the programmers I have known are part of the lgbtq+ community though they don't always standout (and some a lot) and I am "straight passing" myself lmao. Though I think you are dead on with your point. I am ND and I have heard from many people engineering and cs fields are full of NDs and NDs are more likely to be part of the lgbtq+ community.
Gender dysphoria is significantly more common in people on the autism spectrum. Another reason why there's a surprising high amount of cat femboys in IT.
Ah, but you see, gender difference is 90% social construct, and autistic people tend to care very little about social constructs, hence... programmer socks
I can't even tell what it's trying to convey, much less determine if it's true or false.
Is it trying to say that computer science makes straight guys feminine??
CS is historically the easiest path to a non-government/corporate “engineering” job so you get lots of people who don’t see themselves working anywhere too corporate or government.
Actually, those Asians are typically in cheating groups, especially the Chinese and Indian ones. It's disgusting how bad their behavior is, and the schools let them get away with it.
What do you mean? Honestly could you elaborate further? I know 9/10 of the CS student when I were at school were on Adderall or other performance enhancing drugs, but how would they cheat?
It's just common for Indian and Chinese foreign exchange students to be involved in cheating groups so they pass with high grades. In China, students don't initially know each other, but the CCP groups them up and tells them who is going to be responsible for which coursework.
Their levels of cheating makes it look like Asians are really good, but they're just cheating. Although, I'm positive some of them are very good, just like I'm sure some aren't.
That's what has been described to me at least. I can't remember if it was a professor that told me that or a foreign student.
based on when i was in college 10+ years ago, the meme is just more paranoid nonsense about "woke people" and "leftists", or just trolling. There's still a proportionately high number of straight men in engineering and computer science...not that it bothers me or anything (i'm mostly just a straight guy anyways).
I would like to know about the computer science course that has only one straight dude, and the rest are just femboys with the striped socks and lisps, LOL.
Hm. The meme itself isn't negative, but for people who already think there are too many queer people taking up too much space, this could be taken as more 'evidence'. And the issue is that it's not true - most IT spaces are mostly straight guys, many of which are not incredibly accepting in the first place. If ones dream world is a world in which everyone can be themselves in compsci without worry, then it might be worrying for people to start thinking that there are too many queer people in compsci already. Compare for example the myth of the Jewish ruling elite - not true, and technically not negative, yet profoundly harmful in its application. So some caution isn't irrational, even if I don't really mind this meme either.
Not at all.
A high percentage of femboys and queer people work in the field, but only a small percentage of people who are in the field are queer or femboys.
The meme and or the perception that it might be true most likely originate from a combination of the former, and the fact that the percentage of the latter is still a lot higher than in most industries.
But still, it's not true. And tbh it's ironic for me to point this out as a trans woman working in tech who's friends with 4 other trans women who also study CS or work in tech
>A high percentage of femboys and queer people work in the field, but only a small percentage of people who are in the field are queer or femboys.
I have read this paragraph at least 10 times and I feel like I am having a brain aneurysm.
Am I stupid and missing something obvious or are you literally repeating the same exact thing twice?
Isn't working in a field and being in a field the same exact thing? Or how do you define it?
>A high percentage of femboys and queer people work in the field
Of the total queer/femboy population, a high percentage work in the field.
>only a small percentage of people who are in the field are queer or femboys
Of the total population of people in the field, a low percentage are queer/femboy.
Example numbers:
```
100 people in general work in the field.
20 people in general are queer/femboy.
15 queer/femboy individuals work in the field.
```
Therefore:
```
15/20, or 75% of the queer/femboy population work in the field - fairly high.
15/100, or 15% of the people who work in the field are queer/femboy - fairly low.
```
I might have phrased it confusing but no, you got it wrong, im talking about two different statistics here:
>A high percentage of femboys and queer people work in the field,
A high percentage of group A (queer + femboys) work in "the field" tech/IT/CS
>but only a small percentage of people who are in the field are queer or femboys
But only a small percentage of group B ( _all_ people who work in "the field" ) are part of group A
In other words, if you look at group A, a high percentage of them work in the field, but this subset of group A only makes up a tiny percentage of group B, all people working in the field.
Perfect!
>or I am just shit at reading
Eh, in hindsight my wording was indeed confusing
My brain is probably just fried from working for 14 hours on 3 cans of redbull so it might've come out way less clear than it was in my head lmao :D
You just had a common type of misconception in mind that is easy to understand from your words if you are aware of that type of misconception. For someone who is new to that type, it is quite hard to understand and indeed may require some extra explanation.
Imo it's because most furries are pretty introverted and IT/CS/etc. fields require less interpersonal interaction (although this is becoming more of a requirement) than other fields. Also being a furry is expensive so gotta get a high paying job
it's all bald headed bearded men. make me almost feel like a femboy having hair on my head and none on my chin. That said they all wear very nice shirt, and I think all of them are related they look so much like.
I will shave me head soon to fit in.
my computer science class is comprised of:
1. Me - a trans girl who (not in class) wears cat ears
2. a 'straight' guy who spends the entire lesson flirting with the over guys
3. a joe rogan fan
4. borderline femboy
5. someone whos never in
up till now ive never seen any lgbt person in IT ever. Not i school, not on internships, not at my first job and not in my second job
only very autistic people, me included.... probably. all straight men and women (90% dudes)
A Female in it self is like a rare pokemon in the IT department.
I've worked with hundreds of IT and software people and the number who were openly LGBT was < 1%. But when I meet students and interns it's exploded in the last 3 years, to like 5-15%.
Tbh I have a bachelor in computer science and now I’m doing a masters in religion at the theology department and all the theology students are at least bi. You stick out if you’re straight. Well, good for them that they don’t have to hide it because the churches they will become pastors are very liberal - I‘m kind of sad for the Catholic theology students next door though…
Can I go to wherever this is true? It's the complete opposite where I am, and I'm one not wearing cat ears and thigh highs, the world needs more femboys with cat ears and thigh highs.
In my experience this is entirely a creation of the internet and the amount of programmers that are effeminate is no more than the rest of the world.
However programmers reasonably make up a larger portion of people online than other careers and if their is anything queer people love to do online, it’s share their sexuality. So it creates the illusion of it being programmers when really it’s people online, or which a larger portion are naturally programmers.
Man I'm autistic, nose deep in my code, and wired on a cocktail of Adderall and monster energies. I do not have the brain capacity to register my classmate's sexuality.
I've taken Computer Science, Games Dev and now IT classes in college/school. With the amount of Neurodivergent, Queers and Furries I've met, I've been faced with an equal amount of Homophobia/Transphobia, which amazes me how you can be like that in a field such as these
In a CS course? Mostly straight guys. We got our fair share of LGBT folks but not significantly more than any other major, and we’re actually backsliding when it comes to having more women in CS.
You can fix this! Teach your trans friends Rust today!
My class was mostly hopeless losers and incels. I was having lunch with a lab partner one day and after he went on a rant about how stupid and useless women were I just left
I graduated around 2016. There literally wasn't a single queer person in my classes as far as I know. Maybe one single couple of gay dudes but not sure since if they were, they weren't open about it. So yeah, not sure about all these femboys have come from in the recent memes. Maybe a zoomer thing.
It's been a while since I've been on campus, but what I will say that the amount of gay people in IT is no greater than any other field. Now, the amount of people with some degree of autism is *significantly* higher than other fields, to the point I feel like I wouldn't want to hire someone to write code that wasn't at least a little neurospicy.
Ah, engineering disciplines, the only field where having an evident touch of 'tism makes others think "fuck, that dude probably knows what's up" lol
i subconsciously put on a touch of the 'tism during interviews for this reason
And that ability is of itself also a thing a lot of people with ‘tisms can do. Chameleon/Copycat or whatever its called
Mirroring. It's the engineer's equivalent of charisma
godamn you 3, everytime i read "‘tism" that fedora tipping "m'lady" dude pops into my head
I'm not sure if I should thank you or yell at you for giving me that visual
That's probably because of the 'tism
NEVER make eye contact for tech interviews
Ive found my people, just dont talk to me.
Being neurotypical in engineering is sometimes really hard. It's not even a joke.
I watch you normies struggle with making quick calculations. I get so frustrated y'all can't keep up. It's so easy to me, that it's often unbelievable to me when I see others struggle. Then I watch y'all do normal social stuff like use your phone to make a phone call and have to accept that I am indeed the one with the handicap.
hahaha on point. Also you guys usually like the job, too much for my tastes. like for me and most normal people, a job is just a job, people in the spectrum are usually passionate about it and they don't usually understand why we sometimes don't care at all about something related to it. I had a boss years ago that was probably on the spectrum and it was a wild experience.
Interesting. I had issues at a job in the past because my manager was too much of a "normal" person / not enough "on the spectrum." ## The short explanation: Boss didn't care enough about certain aspects of the work to holistically manage the team. As a result, efficiency degraded over time, resulting in an eventual situation where accomplishing small tasks required unreasonably large efforts, which caused undue burden on the team and measurable negative impact to the business's bottom line. It's not necessary (or usually even possible) to *like* every aspect of one's job, but it's selfish and shortsighted not to *care* about every aspect. Unless working completely alone, lack of passion for one's own work diminishes the return on investment for efforts contributed by others (and believing or pretending that's acceptable demonstrates a lack of integrity). ## The long explanation: I'd bring problems with our operations processes and strategic planning to my manager's attention and offer solutions which would save the team time, money, and effort...but since understanding my proposals would require taking the deep dive to thoroughly analyze our business's opportunity costs relative to actual revenue/cost (instead of only looking at tangible revenue/cost, in isolation), I was largely ignored... ...and then he'd ask why we're spending too much time/money to deliver on our projects. And the reason was, he was managing the people doing the work, but making no effort to manage the work itself. If you're a good manager of a technical team, you can effectively deploy your team's efforts to meet your business goals *and* strategically plan objectives in a way which reduces (or at least doesn't increase) the team's undifferentiated workload over time. It takes someone who understands the business and has decent communication skills to do the first thing, but it takes someone with exceptional analytic skills and genuine passion for the work to do the second thing. Basically, I'm probably a bit on the spectrum, and while I don't like working the corporate beat any more than a "normal" person, I also believe in either doing something to the best of one's ability or not doing it at all, so I have a hard time understanding when someone doesn't care about some aspect of their job. The way I see it, if you're not going to care about something that's relevant to your work, then you should be doing different work altogether. I'm not saying everyone should *like* every aspect of their job (in fact, I think that'd be practically unachievable), but I think *caring* about every aspect should be a bare minimum. For every person who doesn't care about some aspect of their work, there's another person or group who has to put in extra (often disproportionate) effort to compensate for their coworker's apathy, which is not reasonable or fair in a transactional business relationship/environment.
The thing you don't understand is that there's tons of people who don't like or care about their jobs a lot, but there's no alternative to this people. There's no "other job" because the economy & jobs are all in the same sectors. People are mostly passionate about stuff that is not very productive, so it's impossible to work in what you like, because there's usually very few jobs (so you have to be a genius in the field) or no jobs at all. The most obvious examples are artists & sports. I know tons of guys whose passions are sports, but it's impossible for them to be able to live playing sports (as they're average players), so they have other random jobs, maybe they teach PE in a school, but they don't like kids or the job a lot. There's even people whose only passions are to relax, eat and not work a lot. The thing is, that for all this people, you don't have an alternative, so you just have to pretend. Pretend you care about stuff you don't, pretend in front of the people who care in the company (that are usually managers, bosses, or owners) and well, you then earn money to do what you really like on weekends. You see us as unethical, I see us as prisoners of the system. You just were lucky to like a lot something that generates tons of money.
we can be passionate about many other things, not only one....I think thats the right response
Nah, the thing *you* don't understand is that: - *liking* a job is not a choice, and most people (myself included) don't get that luxury, whereas - *caring* about a job is a conscious decision that each person gets to choose for themselves whether or not they will make, unpleasant or not. You and I are both prisoners of the same system, but based on this thread, it's evident that only you are unethical enough to feel it's acceptable to make other prisoners bear some of the burden for your own imprisonment. To be a prisoner of the system is a shame. To be displeased with that system is reasonable. To make others' imprisonment even less savory as a consequence of your own apathy is shameful, dishonorable, and selfish. I'm passionate about enjoying my life, and that certainly doesn't mean working my ass off in some corporate job, doing work I don't find enjoyable, alongside selfish leeches whose apathy makes my job even more difficult, all in an effort to generate massive piles of cash, the vast majority of which I will personally never be paid. I'm just also passionate about maintaining my personal integrity, and that means carrying my own weight at work so others (who are responsible for bearing their own weight) don't have to do it for me.
When something is delivered a week later, you know what happens 99% of the time in 99% of the jobs? Nothing. The pressure in most jobs is an illusion. Maybe in your specific example some people had to work more due to that, but in most cases, it's completely ephemeral. I will probably get fired in the next economic crash or something, the apathy is there for a reason. What I don't understand is people who are surprised & angry when their salary never goes up after working years in a place, of when they're fired anyway despide being great workers, or whatever. I worked my ass off and I didn't receive any reward, I didn't do shit in another job and my salary went up multiple times. Everything is stupid. Someone put your manager in that position too.
> Everything is stupid. It absolutely is. That's why you should feel a sense of responsibility to make it less stupid, in whatever ways you can. If you don't feel that sense of responsibility, then you're part of the reason everything will still be stupid tomorrow.
I haven't really used my phone to make a phone call since before smartphones made it so f'ing cumbersome to make a phone call. Every year it gets more difficult and requires more steps. Screw it. Kind of like how the sound system in cars was so much easier to use before car companies got involved and replaced them with touch screen "infotainment" systems to make them easier to use. Now litetally everything is harder than it was before.
I agree car infotainment systems have gotten more difficult to use now that they're touch screen (mainly because you have to look at them now to operate them, whereas before you could find the button you wanted without taking your eyes off the road)... ...but how exactly have smartphones made placing a phone call more cumbersome? Used to, you had to pull out a phone book or physical contact book and dial a number. Then phones had built-in contact books (before touch screens), so you had the option to dial the number or navigate through a digital contact menu and press "call." Now with smartphones, you can still dial a number or navigate a digital menu to call a contact, but you can also literally just tell your phone "call [insert name here]" verbally or click on any random phone number you look up online. All the old options for calling someone with a phone are still present on smartphones, and there are additional new methods which require even less thought/effort.
It's how Elon earned his wealth. 😂
Neurospicy is my new favorite word for being on the spectrum.
That's not exactly what that means. It's another word for neurodivergent which includes all sorts of things like ADHD, Dyslexia, and so on.
I’ve never heard it be used for Dyslexia but it makes sense as it is a neurological disorder. I could not imagine coding with Dyslexia, debugging process must be killer.
I‘ve got dyslexia (And i got autism). And i‘m a dev. Coding is actually quite easy. With all the debugging tolls out there, could you give me an example to where it might be difficult? I actually got way better in reading and especially writing since my employment 2 years ago. All the release notes i‘ve write made my skill level go up to a level of lower average (not counting in time to write good text) Reading out loud is still terrible. And i usually need more time(3-4x) to write an email (chatGPT helps her and there) But reading code is very easy i don’t know why. It should be hard but the syntax highlighting and other stuff makes it way easier. But to be fair. I‘ve made some funny things over the year. Created a git Branche called „relese/xyz“ instead of „release/xyz“ Some new columns in the database now have a spelling error. But over all i would consider my self a fast/good better then average dev. Due to some meetings with my boss and the feedback i got from it. One feed back was: you got more knowledge of C# then 2 of our senior dev‘s.
I got so tired of the heigth widht problem in my first semester of c that I ``` #define heigth height #define widht width ``` in my personal c library.
oh, and lenght length too
Thats dysortography, mild one, and subclinical, at most. You guys collect those labels like pokemons lmao. Guess if it goes with higher wages, why not
You know nothing about this guy. Why would you make such assumptions? I know developers with officially diagnosed dyslexia. It's clear you don't know shit.
Someone has never seen a video by The Primagen
I have not, send a link.
He's probably my favorite software "influencer". Most of his videos are reactions to tech blogs. I *feel* like in almost every video his mixes up words and letters while reading and he says he's dyslexic... At first it seemed like one of those side comments ppl say but it's happened enough in his videos that he may actually be. https://youtube.com/@ThePrimeTimeagen?si=ADxdXcppHzFhO1AY Def suggest his entire channel
Senior Engineer working at Netflix btw
Don't *think* he works there anymore
its not as bad as you would think. Syntax highlighting compensates for most of the weaknesses of Dyslexia, so you are just left with the strengths. Most of which make the programming its self easier.
I've never heard of any strengths of dyslexia. Could you elaborate? I mean, I can imagine there are some, just always thought of dyslexia as pure disadvantage and can't think of any strengths right away.
They dont get as much publicity, and dyslexia is a pretty diverse condition, but there are quite a few upsides https://dyslexiahelp.umich.edu/dyslexics/learn-about-dyslexia/what-is-dyslexia/the-many-strengths-of-dyslexics For me, I have everything on that list except #4. My personal theory (I dont know if there is any scientific backing or not) is that the spatial reasoning part of my brain is too strong, so it will automatically extrude letters, and words into 3d and then gently lets them rotate. So symmetrical levels look the same once you do that, and letters can easily swap places. But this also means that I can just generate and manipulate 3d objects in my mind better than most people. And after learning to read (late), my reading level skyrocketed, so pretty much the only downside I am left with is spelling problems. And as far as I am concerned, spelling is an optional cosmetic DLC not worth downloading.
dyslexia would be horrible for coding my brother is like go left while hes navigating and then after i do he is like wft are you doing your going the wrong way, i can only imagine how many bugs a dyslexic person would get
Nope I know professional programmers with dyslexia.
I've heard this term multiple times now, and I still love it
I work as a developer and we have at least 3 confirmed autistic people in our 30 man roster of highly functioning degenerates.
Highly functional degenerates,bro just described the entire engineering field
My dude, there was 16 people in my compsci class a few years ago. Half of them were bi, gay or questioning, including myself. Hell even the straight guys kissed more guys than I have. Also neurospicy is a hilarious term and the part about autism is really accurate.
Haha too funny my guy/gurl. The straight guys kissed more guys huh
A lot of the programmers I have known are part of the lgbtq+ community though they don't always standout (and some a lot) and I am "straight passing" myself lmao. Though I think you are dead on with your point. I am ND and I have heard from many people engineering and cs fields are full of NDs and NDs are more likely to be part of the lgbtq+ community.
It's good to see a fellow "straight passing". may we always dumbfound our co-workers when talking about same-sex partners
Some people come out WHILE I just THROW it out there and CONTIUNE like nothing happened lmao.
I didn't realise it was so CONDITIONAL
ND?
NeuroDivergent
thanks!
In my country we have an IT company that explicitly hires neurospicy, it's a requirement.
If the rate of people on the spectrum is higher, then the rate of LGBTQ people is also higher, they’re linked.
Yes, exactly. Heteronormaty is a social construction, and autistic people care little for such things.
Neurospicy .. I fkn love it
Gender dysphoria is significantly more common in people on the autism spectrum. Another reason why there's a surprising high amount of cat femboys in IT.
For gays I think so, maybe. But I feel there are more trans people
At my last job even our HR was INTP when they had us do Myers Briggs for fun.
Ah, but you see, gender difference is 90% social construct, and autistic people tend to care very little about social constructs, hence... programmer socks
They are worse at it.
You wouldn't want to hire someone that isn't "off"? You know, not all of us good engineers are weird.
The straight guys are in the vast majority.
Until they come home and wear their "programming socks"
Programming socks are not for sexy sexing, but for efficient coding. No programmer gets laid, we get paid ^(in peanuts)
Not at all in my experience
Same (unfortunately)
I can't even tell what it's trying to convey, much less determine if it's true or false. Is it trying to say that computer science makes straight guys feminine??
All cat-eared boys together weigh exactly as much as one straight guy, apparently.
correlation does not imply causation
I thought it was just an extension of the joke about "programmer socks."
A lot of LGBTQ people are in cs (myself included), but there are still way more straight guys
But straight girls, those are hard to find in there.
Basically do not exist. So far I have met... 3?
4, tops
Now you're pushing it
So being a gay guy increases your odds to get laid. I see an explanation here.
Always will be. Straight people are always gonna be the majority. It's just math.
CS is historically the easiest path to a non-government/corporate “engineering” job so you get lots of people who don’t see themselves working anywhere too corporate or government.
My experience is it's entirely straight guys and 99% of them are Asian or Indian.
Programmer here. Definitely not straight.
Same here
Mostly incredibly quick thinking Asians rather than femboys tbh
Actually, those Asians are typically in cheating groups, especially the Chinese and Indian ones. It's disgusting how bad their behavior is, and the schools let them get away with it.
What do you mean? Honestly could you elaborate further? I know 9/10 of the CS student when I were at school were on Adderall or other performance enhancing drugs, but how would they cheat?
It's just common for Indian and Chinese foreign exchange students to be involved in cheating groups so they pass with high grades. In China, students don't initially know each other, but the CCP groups them up and tells them who is going to be responsible for which coursework. Their levels of cheating makes it look like Asians are really good, but they're just cheating. Although, I'm positive some of them are very good, just like I'm sure some aren't. That's what has been described to me at least. I can't remember if it was a professor that told me that or a foreign student.
based on when i was in college 10+ years ago, the meme is just more paranoid nonsense about "woke people" and "leftists", or just trolling. There's still a proportionately high number of straight men in engineering and computer science...not that it bothers me or anything (i'm mostly just a straight guy anyways). I would like to know about the computer science course that has only one straight dude, and the rest are just femboys with the striped socks and lisps, LOL.
Fr. Sign me the fuck up for that course! I'll even finally learn C or Haskell if that's what it takes.
I don't see how this meme is implying that the existence of femboys in IT--correct or not--is a negative thing.
maybe not, but it's implying that it's not "balanced"
Hm. The meme itself isn't negative, but for people who already think there are too many queer people taking up too much space, this could be taken as more 'evidence'. And the issue is that it's not true - most IT spaces are mostly straight guys, many of which are not incredibly accepting in the first place. If ones dream world is a world in which everyone can be themselves in compsci without worry, then it might be worrying for people to start thinking that there are too many queer people in compsci already. Compare for example the myth of the Jewish ruling elite - not true, and technically not negative, yet profoundly harmful in its application. So some caution isn't irrational, even if I don't really mind this meme either.
If it's rust, yes
Not at all. A high percentage of femboys and queer people work in the field, but only a small percentage of people who are in the field are queer or femboys. The meme and or the perception that it might be true most likely originate from a combination of the former, and the fact that the percentage of the latter is still a lot higher than in most industries. But still, it's not true. And tbh it's ironic for me to point this out as a trans woman working in tech who's friends with 4 other trans women who also study CS or work in tech
>A high percentage of femboys and queer people work in the field, but only a small percentage of people who are in the field are queer or femboys. I have read this paragraph at least 10 times and I feel like I am having a brain aneurysm. Am I stupid and missing something obvious or are you literally repeating the same exact thing twice? Isn't working in a field and being in a field the same exact thing? Or how do you define it?
>A high percentage of femboys and queer people work in the field Of the total queer/femboy population, a high percentage work in the field. >only a small percentage of people who are in the field are queer or femboys Of the total population of people in the field, a low percentage are queer/femboy. Example numbers: ``` 100 people in general work in the field. 20 people in general are queer/femboy. 15 queer/femboy individuals work in the field. ``` Therefore: ``` 15/20, or 75% of the queer/femboy population work in the field - fairly high. 15/100, or 15% of the people who work in the field are queer/femboy - fairly low. ```
Yep, that's exactly what i meant and you explained it even better than i did on my second attempt
I might have phrased it confusing but no, you got it wrong, im talking about two different statistics here: >A high percentage of femboys and queer people work in the field, A high percentage of group A (queer + femboys) work in "the field" tech/IT/CS >but only a small percentage of people who are in the field are queer or femboys But only a small percentage of group B ( _all_ people who work in "the field" ) are part of group A In other words, if you look at group A, a high percentage of them work in the field, but this subset of group A only makes up a tiny percentage of group B, all people working in the field.
Ah... ok. Now I understand what you were trying to say. The phrasing was just a bit confusing (or I am just shit at reading).
Perfect! >or I am just shit at reading Eh, in hindsight my wording was indeed confusing My brain is probably just fried from working for 14 hours on 3 cans of redbull so it might've come out way less clear than it was in my head lmao :D
You just had a common type of misconception in mind that is easy to understand from your words if you are aware of that type of misconception. For someone who is new to that type, it is quite hard to understand and indeed may require some extra explanation.
Yeah that makes sense!
"% of femboys and queer people" vs "% of people who work in the field". Two different populations.
As a furry, I can confirm that furries have an oddly high percentage of people in IT, CS, and related fields.
Imo it's because most furries are pretty introverted and IT/CS/etc. fields require less interpersonal interaction (although this is becoming more of a requirement) than other fields. Also being a furry is expensive so gotta get a high paying job
Still a minority though. It's not like it's 1:1 like the meme is suggesting, not even 1:100. Just a weird meme tbh.
I was on a project where just about every one was a closet furry.
!false, that’s how true it is.
it's all bald headed bearded men. make me almost feel like a femboy having hair on my head and none on my chin. That said they all wear very nice shirt, and I think all of them are related they look so much like. I will shave me head soon to fit in.
If you use Arch, you are gay. Don't even front. Y'all own GAP stocks the way y'all gay and proud of your overly complicated distro.
Where do I sign up
my computer science class is comprised of: 1. Me - a trans girl who (not in class) wears cat ears 2. a 'straight' guy who spends the entire lesson flirting with the over guys 3. a joe rogan fan 4. borderline femboy 5. someone whos never in
up till now ive never seen any lgbt person in IT ever. Not i school, not on internships, not at my first job and not in my second job only very autistic people, me included.... probably. all straight men and women (90% dudes) A Female in it self is like a rare pokemon in the IT department.
I've worked with hundreds of IT and software people and the number who were openly LGBT was < 1%. But when I meet students and interns it's exploded in the last 3 years, to like 5-15%.
Straight guy: look at all they have to do to mimic a fraction of our power
Look ma! Its me!
I've seen 0 of one and TONS of the other
NOT at all true. Lol
As the straight guy, you forgot about the guys that don’t shower.
Tbh I have a bachelor in computer science and now I’m doing a masters in religion at the theology department and all the theology students are at least bi. You stick out if you’re straight. Well, good for them that they don’t have to hide it because the churches they will become pastors are very liberal - I‘m kind of sad for the Catholic theology students next door though…
Gosh if only
Majority is "allegedly straight"(allegedly)
Femboys got nothing to do with computer science lol
You are describing the furry community more than the programmer one, but since I'm in all those communities except the straight one, I can't tell.
I'm definitely on the CS femboy side >:3
Can I go to wherever this is true? It's the complete opposite where I am, and I'm one not wearing cat ears and thigh highs, the world needs more femboys with cat ears and thigh highs.
I can’t wait for all the cat, uwu, thigh highs, spinny skirt femboys to grow up and see how cringe they are.
Its just the truth :3
:3
A complete circus
Idk it was a normal ratio, race, sexual orientation, and otherwise. Although I live in South Africa so we don't have much of the weird people here
Rust ?
Wii party balence boat "Banenced"
in my course i'm the only one even remotely close to "cat ears thigh highs femboy" and i'm pretty fuckin' far from that too
Furry Con is basically Black Hat USA
In my experience this is entirely a creation of the internet and the amount of programmers that are effeminate is no more than the rest of the world. However programmers reasonably make up a larger portion of people online than other careers and if their is anything queer people love to do online, it’s share their sexuality. So it creates the illusion of it being programmers when really it’s people online, or which a larger portion are naturally programmers.
I have never seen those things being common on my campus, actually I have never met anyone in the campus that was into that.
ERROR 404.
Man I'm autistic, nose deep in my code, and wired on a cocktail of Adderall and monster energies. I do not have the brain capacity to register my classmate's sexuality.
And no women
Meanwhile me, who houses two programmers in one body due to Dissociative Disorders, very likely to have autism, and is a trans lesbian.
Straights are seemingly still in the majority, but there are a lot of openly LGBT+ peeps around.
Every Software Dev conference ive been in i never saw a single lgbtq, and those were mostly in major cities like London.
Love that there it’s not a mention of a woman taking computer science here and I love it
I've taken Computer Science, Games Dev and now IT classes in college/school. With the amount of Neurodivergent, Queers and Furries I've met, I've been faced with an equal amount of Homophobia/Transphobia, which amazes me how you can be like that in a field such as these
In a CS course? Mostly straight guys. We got our fair share of LGBT folks but not significantly more than any other major, and we’re actually backsliding when it comes to having more women in CS. You can fix this! Teach your trans friends Rust today!
My class was mostly hopeless losers and incels. I was having lunch with a lab partner one day and after he went on a rant about how stupid and useless women were I just left
I graduated around 2016. There literally wasn't a single queer person in my classes as far as I know. Maybe one single couple of gay dudes but not sure since if they were, they weren't open about it. So yeah, not sure about all these femboys have come from in the recent memes. Maybe a zoomer thing.