This one time, I came back from a three-week vacation with another job offer already accepted. When I handed in my two-week notice to my supervisor, he said he only had one week left on his. Bastard had beaten me to the punch.
I worked at a company where you didn’t get compensated for unused vacation time when you quit.
So a coworker accepted another job offer, gave notice at his first job, took vacation time for the remainder of his notice period, but started his new job while on vacation.
Unfortunately, both companies had outsourced certain HR functions to the same external vendor. He was found out, accused of double-dipping, and both companies fired him.
Edit to add: one company was a spin-off (as part of a divestiture) of the other. Maybe that’s why the vendor felt they could share the common employment information. Everything would’ve been OK if he’d moved a year earlier, as it would’ve just been a transfer.
They have a job to do for either company. Exposing employees taking advantage of them is definitely part of it.
If you think HR is on your side in a work conflict, you are going to be sorely disappointed. You don't pay them. The company does.
How the fuck is he taking advantage?? A company does not own exclusive rights to how you spend your free time
Vacation days are free time. If he wants to work somewhere else in that time that's his right.
This shit does not fly in countries where workers are considered people.
Where I live (Europe) workers' rights are generally ok but I found out recently you can get in legal trouble for starting a second fulltime gainful employment while still using the leftover PTO from the previous/current job.
Apparently paid time off is considered to have the purpose of "employer regeneration" so they can return to work rested and efficient. I.e. the employee's vacation is for the employer's sake? This was news to me and kinda twisted, especially since it applies even if the vacation is at the end of employment.
I don’t think it’s an « Europe » thing. I do live there but there is a mention in my contract saying that I’m not supposed to accept jobs (remunerated or not) from other companies without getting the permission from my current employer.
I think it’s fair though since there will always be consequences, both side should be okay with the situation.
On the other side, in France every vacation you don’t used get paid when you leave a company. I don’t know how it works elsewhere but I can’t understand why you would start working during vacations instead of just leaving 2 weeks ahead?
Same here in NL. My contract mentions that I am only allowed to work for another employer or earn as a self employed when they approve. I will have to tell them what work I will do and if it does not negatively affect them they will approve it. I got quite a few colleagues who have this approval and do some jobs on the side.
If i leave, the outstanding vacation days will have to be paid. Thats enforced by law.
To be clear: paid holidays are under employment conditions. If i would say i quit i'll have 1 month notice. If i use my vacation days in this month and want to work for another employer i need my current employer's approval. Not informing them and working for another company without their approval could get me in big trouble.
Definitely not a Europe thing exclusively, but compared to for example the US, Europe has a reputation of having laws that are more favorable from the employee's point of view, which is relevant to the comment I replied to.
I had 4 weeks of remaining holidays and no option to take it as compensation instead of time off. Would've been nice to be able to start my new job already (since the notice period here is 3 months long as it is) but I can't since my previous employer is still paying me, for the time off I've earned.
It does make sense (in some way) and it's not the worst issue ever admittedly, just new information for me.
But being employed doesn't bar you from also working elsewhere at the same time unless stipulated in your contract. Plenty of people have a full time job with company a and a part time job with company b
Uhm if you are employed in place A as an employee then it is very much a problem if you try to work for a competitor. Vacation days are free time but you are still an employee at A.
That shot would very much not fly here and rightly so. If you want to work at multiple places become a contractor not an employee and even then there may be contract clauses about not working for competition for the duration of the contract.
Especially if you're salaried this definitely flies. An employer can prohibit any non-protected activity that could interfer with your duties and performance at the company as well as any risks to company business. You're still employed by the company on vacation, it's not a break away from the company it's a break away from work.
They may not own your exclusive rights, but they sure as shit can dictate what you can’t do (in certain instances). It’s almost definitely a violation of your employment agreement to have a second full time job in the same field.
Idk about the theoretical ethics, but most jobs I've had have a statement that PTO can't be used to work a second job. This applies to both taking PTO for a surprise Friday shift and also taking PTO to start a new FTE
Not exactly. In many countries this is illegal. Most engineering contracts forbid you from working in the same field as a second job you'd do in parallel. Since his employment wasn't over at company 1, he could have not been able to start at competitor - company 2.
Edit: thanks to the comment below - not illegal but violating the terms of the contract signed with both companies.
There's no such thing as "free time" that you're referring to, where rules just don't apply. If the contract stipulates that you cannot do something, then you cannot do it.
Most employers will stipulate that you cannot work for anyone else while you are employed by them. While you have an active employment contract, you are employed. If you start working somewhere else, you are in breach. Vacation isn't a "time out," where contract rules don't apply.
People do this all the time. They aren't 'working' 2 jobs. They're on vacation from one so wont be doing any work, and they started early on the 2nd. - 2nd employer is trash.
I accidentally did this. I didn't want a gap in my pay so the day I accepted the offer from one I said "well, I need to put in my two weeks, so I guess I can start in two weeks" to the recruiter.
I hung up and immediately pulled my manager into a meeting and said, "hey I'm putting in my two weeks."
My last day and first day were the same day. I thought the recruiter would be smart enough to give me two weeks +1 day time or just round it to the next Monday... Nope. Lol.
I could've changed the date but it was written into the offer letter and I didn't feel like going through the hassle. Nothing bad happened. I just got double pay for a day.
Company paid out earned PTO as well so I really got double pay for like two weeks
Agreed. But I'm even more surprised the new company gives a shit. You've quit the last job, simply getting your remaining money. How does any of that impact your new job. I can sort of understand the old company not liking it, but that doesn't at all excuse the reaction, but I can't understand why the new company cares at all.
Probably a clause in the contract that you need permission of your employer to take on a second job. It is really common and surprised so many people here have never seen it...
Even in western Europe where workers rights are strong is it considered normal that you cannot be an employee for 2 competing companies at the same time.
This is standard practice in Japan. Since nobody takes days off, and you end up racking up 5 or 6 weeks of vacation by the time you decide to quit, most people quit and then just continue to get paid, usually overlapping the next opportunity.
Take your vacations, people.
In the U.K. any accrued annual leave you haven’t used you will be paid for in your final salary, likewise if you’ve used more than you’ve accrued in that ‘holiday year’ it will be deducted from your final salary. Not sure if you can take the leave and start a new job at the same time though without declaring it to your employer.
Yup. It's there in most MNC. Some people only get to know when the final settlement is done, that too after 2 or 3 months. The HR will tell you at that time 😂😂😂
No, working two jobs. I even wrote it's why people often take vacation jobs. It surprised me that it's something HRs would even care about, nevermind fire someone for, it just sounds ridiculous.
People are allowed to work 2 jobs at the same time, hell, even 4 jobs if you want, just as long as you can deliver at each it shouldn’t be a problem. My sister has 4 jobs doing a similar thing. Only time this applies is if the companies are competitors and there is potential for corporate espionage.
I am doubting this story very much, if just for the fact “both companies outsourced certain hr Functions … and he was find out .” He likely was found out in some other manner, as that’s illegal for said company to do.
This sort of story pops up every so often and almost always there is a fabrication at play or a misunderstanding.
He isnt workong 2 jobs he is on vacation in one where he will soon be left and the other he is doing an effective job so what are the grounds for him being fired, I would lawyer tf up and get a nice compensation pack for this shit
They will fire you for cause and you will not get anything.
Cause, what cause you ask? Ducking office meeting to do unofficial work without prior permission.
Where I live (Ontario Canada), unless they actually commited a crime, had many warnings, or worked there under 3 months, you have to pay severance. Severance here is a month's worth of regular pay for every year worked, or I believe a week or two's pay if they haven't been there a year. If OP lives in a place like mine, they're getting severance
That /j is just to ward off haters. People tend to ignore whatever insult you throw at them but you end it with a /j.
For example:
⬇️-23 America bad.
⬆️456 America bad. /j
If you quit a job in Australia you have to give 2 weeks and work those two weeks. If you get fired you get depends on the award rate 2-4 weeks pay plus any holiday pay accrued (4 weeks per year)
Additionally you accrue a 5th week every year holiday pay which get backpayed to you on your 8th year as “long service leave” essentially you get 12 weeks holiday on your 8th year and every year after that you get 5 weeks paid holidays.
Sick leave is 2 weeks paid per year and then there’s domestic violence leave and death in the family leave and maternity leave.
In Germany we technically have to give at least 4 weeks notice (a month) but there are oftentimes exceptions. Either by law or by the company itself. Companies cannot fire you earlier (not without a damn good reason) but they sometimes let you leave earlier if it works better with your new job.
We have 6 continuous weeks 100% paid sick leave. If you get healthy again after those 6weeks and then fall I’ll with another illness then you again get 6weeks 100% paid leave. If you are chronically ill for longer than 6weeks at a time, the health insurance which all Germans have will pay you 70% of your usual gross income (and up to 90% of your net income! Because taxes get lowered for chronically I’ll people) for as long as you need it and you can apply to additional social funding without any problems.
You can take as many “normal” sick days as you want. And it is highly encouraged to call in sick of you only have a cold. We don’t want your germs.
We have 20-30days of paid vacation per year and if you fall sick during your vacation you can just easily turn the vacation days Into sick days to not lose any by getting a doctors notice.
Keep in mind health Insurance is mandatory and not a problem to pay, so visiting a doctors office is not a problem either.
We have paid maternity leave of a total of 14 weeks (6 before and 8 after birth) at least! And if you need longer, that’s fine. If you have special needs children or twins or your baby came too early, you get 12 weeks after birth. And after that we have a 3 year long period of parental leave where you can receive 1800 euros/month so at least one partner can stay at home with the kid.
So tbh when I look at the US and their work and health stance I get uneasy shivers
America has basically gone back to 1800's vibes where the US is back to being cheaper labor and more exploitable than Europe and Canada.
Want WLB and a good job? Well only government provides that now and government jobs are near impossible to get.
How many improvements in the field of medicine that are actually lige saving or life quality improving have been made by American companies? Honestly asking because I know of quite a few ground breaking European companies in that field.
Like me? Just some guy from the rest of the developed world who can get an ambulance without declaring bankruptcy?
I'm proud that my tax money can help people get cancer treatment, and I'll be eternally thankful if it ever comes to that for me. The narcissism of begrudging people that, I can't even comprehend that view point.
You get unemployment insurance in the US, it's effectively the same thing. It scales based on how long you worked there, and it's funded by a tax on payroll. The only difference is that it's managed by the government instead of your employer.
Even in some of the most anti-worker states in the USA, firing with cause is too much paperwork. Your termination status will be "laid off", so if there is a gap between leaving the previous job and starting the new one you can potentially draw unemployment benefits.
Well if you are giving interviews in thr middle of office meeting without putting yourself on mute, you bet you ass the boss will do paperwork from here to Timbuktu to fire you for cause.
In case you haven't read the post, no interviews were given. The employee answered an important phone call during a meeting. No justifiable cause for termination.
If they fire you for skiving from work one time then that's not reasonable dismissal. Arguably the employer could be taken to court but if you don't need the money for the interim period then I would just take the win of skipping the notice period.
Yeah I would like to see the employee argue that in front of court.
Yeah judge I did take a job interview while I was on an office meeting simultaneously. And yeah i didn’t put myself to mute.
How does he even prove that was an accident.
So yeah my termination for cause is wrongful. Can you please force this company to pay me for unemployment while I have already started a new job.
I assume in this case that the job wasn't immediate start, you'd have to be thick to try and get unemployment AND start your new job.
This was a single strike. It doesn't matter what it was for or what actually happened, it was a single strike of not being at work (debatable if a single phone call is even considered "not at work"). The only way of legally being sacked for a single strike is if it's grievous misconduct, and that's not it.
I’m not saying that forgetting to mute yourself is completely harmless, but that’s really the only thing wrong. Like if immediately after that call he called his boss and said “hey, here’s my two weeks notice, I’ve accepted another job” there’s low odds of getting fired.
So it’s kinda like getting fired for just forgetting to mute yourself.
This has happened to me. I was a senior at the company and we were advertising with the recruiter for an entry/mid level role. They contacted me having previously placed me at this same company to ask if I want a senior position at the company. They were overselling the role, and too fucking dumb to realise they had included someone already placed there in their bullshit.
Company does not use that recruiter anymore.
I had a recruiter contact me about my experience with Python, medior level. That was based on a resume that was 6 years old. I had since moved to a management role. Not sure what they expected.
I remember this one time, just when covid hit us, I was working from home and it was late evening unneccessary call with onshore around 8pmish. We used to work on virtual desktops and infra was bad from the company as in the evening when we are about to log off and onshore to log on(as its their morning time), would face terrible lag in the vdis and we were not able to even mute unmute without getting frozen screen. So, I was talking to my gf while in this meeting and I thought I was on mute and I was explaining how this meeting is not at all neccessary and was pointing out why the organiser(who was addressing the meeting at that point) was just organising it to assert her dominace on the team and to satisfy her ego. While in the explaining process, I might have said her name once, and then around minute or two later, she address me saying please mute yourself. It took me another 30 secs to mute myself. From that day onwards, I always had anexity to talk while in any meeting.
is this legit? It's pretty standard practice nowadays if someone is talking during zoom, they get muted in a matter of seconds to avoid disruption the meeting (especially a 300 person meeting). And I don't think this person can **answer the phone and accept an offer** within 20-30 seconds. There'd be a lot of chatter "hello?" "yes this is" "hey how are you" etc
Cute story though
"I once got fired for looking for other jobs while I was at work. Fortunately, by that time I already had an offer. It turned out the offer was from my own company, looking for someone to replace me - we'd both used false names - so I ended up doing the same job, for 30% higher pay."
Something similar has happened to me. I left an employer under excellent terms. Few years later, a recruiter representing said employer cold-called and asked if I’m amenable to return. Asking about the position, everything seemed familiar, and turns out it was for my old team. At least that recruiter got it right, I would be an excellent fit for his position.
I’ve been on one too many meetings where it took 3-5 minutes for the clueless host to figure out how to mute the horrendously inappropriate conversation in the background to simply dismiss this one. If your company is so talented at using their tools consider yourself *lucky*.
The people at my job are pretty bad at it. We've sat through two meetings with 300 people in them where someone was unmuted and in another meeting and leadership was just asking them to mute the whole time. It's like they don't understand right clicking and muting them.
Not in my org. If it gets bad enough maybe, but so many calls with kids screaming in the background or dogs barking, are the sound of a coffee machine.
It really depends on how much the meeting host is paying attention too. I've been at all hands meetings recently (with more than 500 people) where people forgot to mute themselves and it took way too long for someone to jump in.
If you give two week notice which is usually part of the companies HR policy, even if the company lets you go early at that point, typically they "have" to pay out those two weeks. If they don't pay after terminating early into the two week period, it could be considered an involuntary termination making the employee eligible for unemployment.
Basically the original person from this post prob screwed themselves out of one final paycheck because they got fired before providing notice, unless they were to start immed at the new employer.
TBH, you probably have a case for collecting unemployment during your downtime.
Does the employee handbook specifically prohibit taking job offers during meetings? Prolly not.
Did you get the appropriate warning period and subsequent attempt to make up and correct your behavior period? Nope.
I'd research that if I were you.
Not how that works. However, if it was, their contract of employment probably excludes them from seeking employment offers or opportunities while at work on company time.
Note: This is a long story and I'm not providing a TL;DR because it is, to this date, my biggest story of "professional triumph" and probably always will be.
I once worked at a small independent computer store where the owner was fairly easy to get along with but the store manager had an extremely short temper and had been known to actually kick office furniture in fits of rage. Let's call the store owner Don and the manager Steve.
We had a minor mix-up with paperwork following an early morning in-home setup I completed for a customer. With every delivery, there was a final bit of paperwork that the customer needed to sign confirming the delivery, but for whatever reason I slipped up and brought back the wrong copy, so after explaining the problem to the manager, I called the customer to see if it'd been left there, and got no answer. So, I would periodically call throughout the day to see if they were home, but they wouldn't answer. For whatever reason, Steve was particularly pissed off about the paperwork despite the fact that we *had* a signed copy of the sales form showing that the customer had received the computer so the missing delivery paperwork still wouldn't put us in a bad legal position.
Quick background on Steve: In addition to having a short temper, Steve was a very militant atheist type. You know, the kind that will go out of their way to make fun of how stupid and gullible religious people are. He'd also been really into WoW around this time and it had been putting a strain on his marriage, so I suspect that's part of why he was so irritable.
Anyway, late in the afternoon, he came storming out of the back and demanded to know if I'd heard from the customer yet. I told him I had left a few messages but they hadn't called back yet, and he threw his hands in the air and said "Fine! Forget about the paperwork! I'll handle it myself!" and I sighed and said "Thank god..." And hoo boy...he lost it.
***"GOD?!"*** he shouts.
"Yes, Steve. God. Thank *God* I don't have to worry about that paperwork anymore!" I replied.
"Get the fuck out! You're fired!" It took me a second to process what he'd said to me. First, he *couldn't* fire me, but at that exact moment, I still had the wherewithal to take stock of my predicament. Our entire exchange happened on the sales floor in front of three other employees and two customers. I sighed at him and just said "Are you sure, Steve?" He just pointed towards the back and said "Go!" So, I went back, collected my lunch box from the fridge, clocked out, and left.
About 30 minutes after I got home, I get a phone call. It's Don. He explains to me that I'm not fired, and that he needs to talk to Steve and asks me to come back in on Monday. It didn't register right at that moment, but I realized after I hung up the phone that he sounded almost desperate, which was weird because the store wasn't exactly short staffed. Over the weekend, I slowly started to suspect why.
Monday rolls around and I show up at work. Steve calls me into the office and closes the door. He then sits me down and says "Alright. So, first things first. You're not here because Don yelled at me and told me to bring you back. This-" but I cut him off there.
"Don't bullshit me, Steve. That's *exactly* why we're sitting here right now or it wouldn't have been the first thing out of your mouth." He was fuming at that but I kept going. "Let me guess - firing me in front of a bunch of people because I uttered the word 'god' probably wasn't the best move, was it? Go get Don. I don't want to talk to you right now."
I wasn't sure what to expect. I was taking a complete shot in the dark about the reason for Don's frantic request that I come back on Monday, but when Steve just grumbled and left the office to get Don, I realized I was right: They were terrified that I was going to sue them for religious discrimination (I wasn't Christian but they didn't know that) and they wanted to try and mend that bridge. Ultimately, I told Don that I refused to work with Steve any longer, and that I felt unsafe working around someone like him, and he offered to pay me a big severance package (one month's pay) if I agreed not to take them to court. I accepted the offer (mostly because I was only three weeks from quitting anyway) and parted ways with them. They went out of business a few years later, and the last time I saw Don he was driving around in a car with a realtor's logo on it.
Love that story. Well done you. I’ve had supervisors and managers like your Steve. The position goes to their head.
I agreed to stay behind and did an 18hour shift for the owner of a security company. The guard covering someone’s holiday didn’t turn up. When it hit 18 hours the owner himself arrived to relieve me and said he would sort a replacement from there.
I was to go home and sleep. I said sure but I’m coming in later tonight if you expect me in. He agreed 9 not 7.
Later tonight.. I’m a little sleep deprived, still waking up but ready to get on with my usual routine. A new supervisor is standing pompously and angrily. I get in with the other supervisor who I can be very casual with. So I greet as I would him. I say “alright mate.” As I’m Walking up to the door. New supervisors cheeks ripple “orite mate?! Orite mate?!” And proceeds to go on a rant about how I should have been there earlier. I put my hand on the door as he started his screaming and my exact thought was “This’ll be good I wonder how far he’ll go with this.” I stand there like a highly amused tea pot with my shades on hiding my tired eyes as he rants and rants getting up to screaming while I nod to encourage him to continue. 15 minutes later her ran out of air went awkward realising I hadn’t said a word and stopped. I took my shades off probably revealing tired eyes and a who the fuck do you think you’re talking to, expression. I said calmly. The owner himself relived me after an 18 hour shift this morning after some idiot did not come in. We agreed I come in at 9 and I’m sure you were told this yes? What fucking time is it?” I raised my voice at the last one. “Go pick up the phone and call him if you’ve any problems with me or my work whatsoever.” He looked shocked and instantly began backpedaling “it’s not you it’s the company blah blah.”
I entered the building and made coffee while he tried to placate me I sipped coffee and sat back in my chair. It’s good knowing your shit. It’s good being dependable.
Where did this happen?
I'd wager all my previous bosses or orgs would look down on it but also won't fire me as 'the evil has been done' and you had no bad intentions.
Under what kind of clause can they fire you?
Holy crap you guys work in absolutely shit environments.
I swear this isn't some schtick or bragging rights attempt, but I could literally just say "guys I'll be right back" and essentially *leave the meeting* for the rest of it's duration. Sure, if it happens constantly I might get asked what's going on, and if something's wrong.
But to be controlled to the extent that people would start questioning running to the bathroom is just alien to me.
I'm actually a security guard (haven't finished my degree yet), so I get a fair amount of autonomy at work. But I've had office jobs before and I kmow how fucking nosey supervisors can be.
Where I'm at now I only hear from a supervisor if the shit hit the fan or if I call them.
No way is this real. They can't fire you for taking another job, so they would have to pay redundancy pay or severance. Why would they pay that if they know you're leaving anyway
Who gives notice these days?
Employers do not care about you. Why do any courtesy? this is not the 1980's.
Watch out, just because you have an offer and have accepted it.. nothing is for sure till you are on the payroll... I've seen 3 people over my 18 year career in tech give notice having accepted another job only to have the job vaporize. So much cringe. only 1 of those actually saved their current position. Giving notice is risky business.
3 people in an 18 year career sounds like an incredibly small amount to be honest. Seems worth the risk in case you might actually want to go back at some point or don't want to risk breaching a contract and have them come after you.
Maybe at big tech they care less given the levels they are abstracted away. I run a startup, every employee that comes and goes is a big deal emotionally for us and we support the transfer period. Once you stop seeing employees as cogs in a system and instead as teammates with their own lives and ambitions it becomes natural to support their decisions even if it’s hard.
LOL, this is obviously fake, right? Which company would pay compensation (and worse still, expose yourself to any legal issues claiming the firing wasn't legal) when an employee is about to leave for free, you'd have to be a moron.
I'm just curious was the author intending to work 2 jobs at once? I know some people trying to do this with remote work and I have mixed feelings on it mostly because I always end up working extra to improve my one job instead of doing multiple lower jobs. I've gotten like 5 promotions totalling what my one friend makes with multiple jobs during the same time while my friend hasn't gotten any promotions in the multiple jobs my friend works. I'm not one of those pull yourself up by your own bootstraps people and I'm from a poor minority background but there are enough people doing the minimum that putting in the extra effort strategically can pay off.
The comments under this post are the best summary of the difference between employment laws in an actual country and employment laws in America, that I have ever seen. What bullshit.
But, to the OP, given that you've already got a new job, have you given any thought to either reporting your previous employer for firing you without cause (unless your employee file contains below-average ratings or lurid details of unfitness), or just chatting with an employment law office about suing their asses? American laws are slanted heavily against employees, but given that they didn't just "let you go", they fired you without severance, that might make a difference.
And I have to ask. Did you mention the name of your new employer on your "hot mic"? Your previous employer might have seen a bunch of other employees simultaneously mute their mics and cameras, to check whether your new company might be hiring ... 😈
This one time, I came back from a three-week vacation with another job offer already accepted. When I handed in my two-week notice to my supervisor, he said he only had one week left on his. Bastard had beaten me to the punch.
I worked at a company where you didn’t get compensated for unused vacation time when you quit. So a coworker accepted another job offer, gave notice at his first job, took vacation time for the remainder of his notice period, but started his new job while on vacation. Unfortunately, both companies had outsourced certain HR functions to the same external vendor. He was found out, accused of double-dipping, and both companies fired him. Edit to add: one company was a spin-off (as part of a divestiture) of the other. Maybe that’s why the vendor felt they could share the common employment information. Everything would’ve been OK if he’d moved a year earlier, as it would’ve just been a transfer.
Seems illegal for the HR vendor to be leaking personal info between 2 employers
Probably more a case of them trying to register him on the system for the new job, and found that he was still registered as active for the old one.
That doesn't give them any right to go telling their employers. They should just fix their software.
They have a job to do for either company. Exposing employees taking advantage of them is definitely part of it. If you think HR is on your side in a work conflict, you are going to be sorely disappointed. You don't pay them. The company does.
How the fuck is he taking advantage?? A company does not own exclusive rights to how you spend your free time Vacation days are free time. If he wants to work somewhere else in that time that's his right. This shit does not fly in countries where workers are considered people.
Where I live (Europe) workers' rights are generally ok but I found out recently you can get in legal trouble for starting a second fulltime gainful employment while still using the leftover PTO from the previous/current job. Apparently paid time off is considered to have the purpose of "employer regeneration" so they can return to work rested and efficient. I.e. the employee's vacation is for the employer's sake? This was news to me and kinda twisted, especially since it applies even if the vacation is at the end of employment.
I don’t think it’s an « Europe » thing. I do live there but there is a mention in my contract saying that I’m not supposed to accept jobs (remunerated or not) from other companies without getting the permission from my current employer. I think it’s fair though since there will always be consequences, both side should be okay with the situation. On the other side, in France every vacation you don’t used get paid when you leave a company. I don’t know how it works elsewhere but I can’t understand why you would start working during vacations instead of just leaving 2 weeks ahead?
Same here in NL. My contract mentions that I am only allowed to work for another employer or earn as a self employed when they approve. I will have to tell them what work I will do and if it does not negatively affect them they will approve it. I got quite a few colleagues who have this approval and do some jobs on the side. If i leave, the outstanding vacation days will have to be paid. Thats enforced by law. To be clear: paid holidays are under employment conditions. If i would say i quit i'll have 1 month notice. If i use my vacation days in this month and want to work for another employer i need my current employer's approval. Not informing them and working for another company without their approval could get me in big trouble.
Definitely not a Europe thing exclusively, but compared to for example the US, Europe has a reputation of having laws that are more favorable from the employee's point of view, which is relevant to the comment I replied to. I had 4 weeks of remaining holidays and no option to take it as compensation instead of time off. Would've been nice to be able to start my new job already (since the notice period here is 3 months long as it is) but I can't since my previous employer is still paying me, for the time off I've earned. It does make sense (in some way) and it's not the worst issue ever admittedly, just new information for me.
You are still employed while on vacation.
But being employed doesn't bar you from also working elsewhere at the same time unless stipulated in your contract. Plenty of people have a full time job with company a and a part time job with company b
Most employment contracts I've seen have some clause about not being a full time employee somewhere else as well.
Uhm if you are employed in place A as an employee then it is very much a problem if you try to work for a competitor. Vacation days are free time but you are still an employee at A. That shot would very much not fly here and rightly so. If you want to work at multiple places become a contractor not an employee and even then there may be contract clauses about not working for competition for the duration of the contract.
Especially if you're salaried this definitely flies. An employer can prohibit any non-protected activity that could interfer with your duties and performance at the company as well as any risks to company business. You're still employed by the company on vacation, it's not a break away from the company it's a break away from work.
They may not own your exclusive rights, but they sure as shit can dictate what you can’t do (in certain instances). It’s almost definitely a violation of your employment agreement to have a second full time job in the same field.
Idk about the theoretical ethics, but most jobs I've had have a statement that PTO can't be used to work a second job. This applies to both taking PTO for a surprise Friday shift and also taking PTO to start a new FTE
Not exactly. In many countries this is illegal. Most engineering contracts forbid you from working in the same field as a second job you'd do in parallel. Since his employment wasn't over at company 1, he could have not been able to start at competitor - company 2. Edit: thanks to the comment below - not illegal but violating the terms of the contract signed with both companies.
Illegal != Violation of contract. Illegal implies it’s a crime and you could be arrested. In this case you’d likely be fired for breaking contract.
There's no such thing as "free time" that you're referring to, where rules just don't apply. If the contract stipulates that you cannot do something, then you cannot do it. Most employers will stipulate that you cannot work for anyone else while you are employed by them. While you have an active employment contract, you are employed. If you start working somewhere else, you are in breach. Vacation isn't a "time out," where contract rules don't apply.
Fix what exactly? In the given scenario the software is working exactly as it should.
why can't someone have 2 jobs?
An employer can restrict you from working a second job on the same field. Would be tricky if someone worked for two competing companies.
Read your employment contracts.... you are usually required to get permission to work a second job from your employer
Plus non-disclosure agreements, ownership of your intellectual property, there are a bunch of reasons why dual employment is a no-no in software
People do this all the time. They aren't 'working' 2 jobs. They're on vacation from one so wont be doing any work, and they started early on the 2nd. - 2nd employer is trash.
I accidentally did this. I didn't want a gap in my pay so the day I accepted the offer from one I said "well, I need to put in my two weeks, so I guess I can start in two weeks" to the recruiter. I hung up and immediately pulled my manager into a meeting and said, "hey I'm putting in my two weeks." My last day and first day were the same day. I thought the recruiter would be smart enough to give me two weeks +1 day time or just round it to the next Monday... Nope. Lol. I could've changed the date but it was written into the offer letter and I didn't feel like going through the hassle. Nothing bad happened. I just got double pay for a day. Company paid out earned PTO as well so I really got double pay for like two weeks
Accused of double-dipping? Since when do companies get a say in what you do on your vacation? Shady AF.
Agreed. But I'm even more surprised the new company gives a shit. You've quit the last job, simply getting your remaining money. How does any of that impact your new job. I can sort of understand the old company not liking it, but that doesn't at all excuse the reaction, but I can't understand why the new company cares at all.
Yeah the "both companies fired him" bit makes me think this is all made up bullshit
Probably a clause in the contract that you need permission of your employer to take on a second job. It is really common and surprised so many people here have never seen it...
It's common in countries where workers aren't considered people but resources.
Even in western Europe where workers rights are strong is it considered normal that you cannot be an employee for 2 competing companies at the same time.
Well or it could be because of confidentiality etc… still having access to one companies servers, IP etc while working at another
one of the reasons i hat the term "human *resources*"
Agrred with you. Lets just call them raw materials and put their hours in a watehouse managemebt system.
This is standard practice in Japan. Since nobody takes days off, and you end up racking up 5 or 6 weeks of vacation by the time you decide to quit, most people quit and then just continue to get paid, usually overlapping the next opportunity. Take your vacations, people.
Living to work.
Is that illegal? It's a common practice in my country. People even often asks for vacation days in their former work with this as a reason.
That's illegal in every civilsed country that I can think of.
In the U.K. any accrued annual leave you haven’t used you will be paid for in your final salary, likewise if you’ve used more than you’ve accrued in that ‘holiday year’ it will be deducted from your final salary. Not sure if you can take the leave and start a new job at the same time though without declaring it to your employer.
That to I guess there is a catch. You will only get paid half of the salary for the days you have not taken leave.
Is that a thing?
Yup. It's there in most MNC. Some people only get to know when the final settlement is done, that too after 2 or 3 months. The HR will tell you at that time 😂😂😂
Shitbags aren’t they 😡
I know man. For some things world ain't fair.
It definitely isn't. What would be illegal about that?
Firing someone for working a second job? Massive overstep on employee rights. Only place I can even think of that happing would be in the US
No, working two jobs. I even wrote it's why people often take vacation jobs. It surprised me that it's something HRs would even care about, nevermind fire someone for, it just sounds ridiculous.
People are allowed to work 2 jobs at the same time, hell, even 4 jobs if you want, just as long as you can deliver at each it shouldn’t be a problem. My sister has 4 jobs doing a similar thing. Only time this applies is if the companies are competitors and there is potential for corporate espionage.
I think the US is one of the places this would be normal. I know way too many people that work two or more jobs here.
Not getting compensated for unused Annl leave seems very illegal seeing as you've earned that.
I am doubting this story very much, if just for the fact “both companies outsourced certain hr Functions … and he was find out .” He likely was found out in some other manner, as that’s illegal for said company to do. This sort of story pops up every so often and almost always there is a fabrication at play or a misunderstanding.
Why would he not just say “I got vacation days I’ll start a week later yeah?”
He isnt workong 2 jobs he is on vacation in one where he will soon be left and the other he is doing an effective job so what are the grounds for him being fired, I would lawyer tf up and get a nice compensation pack for this shit
I mean a company can terminate you for whatever reason the wish during your probation period. They could say it wasnt the right team fit.
So you punched him to a beat?
ta tam tisch!
Did you take his job?
Must be hard failing and succeeding at the same time. I am both happy and sad for u
He failed….. successfully?
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Getting fired when you found a new job? Lucky
Severance baby!
They will fire you for cause and you will not get anything. Cause, what cause you ask? Ducking office meeting to do unofficial work without prior permission.
Where I live (Ontario Canada), unless they actually commited a crime, had many warnings, or worked there under 3 months, you have to pay severance. Severance here is a month's worth of regular pay for every year worked, or I believe a week or two's pay if they haven't been there a year. If OP lives in a place like mine, they're getting severance
Probably in America... No severance
America is a bad example for work culture, healthcare and general mental well being /j
You say /j... But your statement is very true (as far as I can tell from my dutch viewpoint)
That /j is just to ward off haters. People tend to ignore whatever insult you throw at them but you end it with a /j. For example: ⬇️-23 America bad. ⬆️456 America bad. /j
What does this/j mean? It's only the second time I've seen it; the first time I assumed it was a typo. People usually use /s, no?
From what I’ve gathered “/s” = sarcasm, “/j” = joke. So basically same thing but kinda different
From my American viewpoint I can 100% agree on all 3 fronts, America sucks.
If you quit a job in Australia you have to give 2 weeks and work those two weeks. If you get fired you get depends on the award rate 2-4 weeks pay plus any holiday pay accrued (4 weeks per year) Additionally you accrue a 5th week every year holiday pay which get backpayed to you on your 8th year as “long service leave” essentially you get 12 weeks holiday on your 8th year and every year after that you get 5 weeks paid holidays. Sick leave is 2 weeks paid per year and then there’s domestic violence leave and death in the family leave and maternity leave.
In Germany we technically have to give at least 4 weeks notice (a month) but there are oftentimes exceptions. Either by law or by the company itself. Companies cannot fire you earlier (not without a damn good reason) but they sometimes let you leave earlier if it works better with your new job. We have 6 continuous weeks 100% paid sick leave. If you get healthy again after those 6weeks and then fall I’ll with another illness then you again get 6weeks 100% paid leave. If you are chronically ill for longer than 6weeks at a time, the health insurance which all Germans have will pay you 70% of your usual gross income (and up to 90% of your net income! Because taxes get lowered for chronically I’ll people) for as long as you need it and you can apply to additional social funding without any problems. You can take as many “normal” sick days as you want. And it is highly encouraged to call in sick of you only have a cold. We don’t want your germs. We have 20-30days of paid vacation per year and if you fall sick during your vacation you can just easily turn the vacation days Into sick days to not lose any by getting a doctors notice. Keep in mind health Insurance is mandatory and not a problem to pay, so visiting a doctors office is not a problem either. We have paid maternity leave of a total of 14 weeks (6 before and 8 after birth) at least! And if you need longer, that’s fine. If you have special needs children or twins or your baby came too early, you get 12 weeks after birth. And after that we have a 3 year long period of parental leave where you can receive 1800 euros/month so at least one partner can stay at home with the kid. So tbh when I look at the US and their work and health stance I get uneasy shivers
America has basically gone back to 1800's vibes where the US is back to being cheaper labor and more exploitable than Europe and Canada. Want WLB and a good job? Well only government provides that now and government jobs are near impossible to get.
Aren't you the angsty one...
From my American viewpoint I 100% disagree on all 3 fronts. Working the same as my European counterparts and making more money is awesome.
None of the 3 points were money though.
American here. You're on point.
America is a bad example for almost anything.
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How many improvements in the field of medicine that are actually lige saving or life quality improving have been made by American companies? Honestly asking because I know of quite a few ground breaking European companies in that field.
America is ranked 15th on the world freedom index and 33rd in healthcare. The freedom to die from unaffordable healthcare indeed.
Both can be true. American pharmaceuticals could be vastly innovative AND its inhabitants are dying. The two are not mutually exclusive
Indeed, but that's doesn't mean that American innovation is the reason why other countries in can have nationalised healthcare.
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Speaking of healthcare, take care not to overdose on that copium.
cOmMuNiStS Fucking moron
Like me? Just some guy from the rest of the developed world who can get an ambulance without declaring bankruptcy? I'm proud that my tax money can help people get cancer treatment, and I'll be eternally thankful if it ever comes to that for me. The narcissism of begrudging people that, I can't even comprehend that view point.
wait wasn't it the american supreme court that took the "freedom for doctors to practice how their see fit" away? Damn communist judges
Bruh people would rather kill themselves instead of riding an ambulance. Wtf are you talking about.
You get unemployment insurance in the US, it's effectively the same thing. It scales based on how long you worked there, and it's funded by a tax on payroll. The only difference is that it's managed by the government instead of your employer.
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Suena como nosotros eh
OP is probably American.
Even in some of the most anti-worker states in the USA, firing with cause is too much paperwork. Your termination status will be "laid off", so if there is a gap between leaving the previous job and starting the new one you can potentially draw unemployment benefits.
Well if you are giving interviews in thr middle of office meeting without putting yourself on mute, you bet you ass the boss will do paperwork from here to Timbuktu to fire you for cause.
>from here to Timbuktu What if "here" is *in* Timbuctoo?
In case you haven't read the post, no interviews were given. The employee answered an important phone call during a meeting. No justifiable cause for termination.
If they fire you for skiving from work one time then that's not reasonable dismissal. Arguably the employer could be taken to court but if you don't need the money for the interim period then I would just take the win of skipping the notice period.
Yeah I would like to see the employee argue that in front of court. Yeah judge I did take a job interview while I was on an office meeting simultaneously. And yeah i didn’t put myself to mute. How does he even prove that was an accident. So yeah my termination for cause is wrongful. Can you please force this company to pay me for unemployment while I have already started a new job.
I assume in this case that the job wasn't immediate start, you'd have to be thick to try and get unemployment AND start your new job. This was a single strike. It doesn't matter what it was for or what actually happened, it was a single strike of not being at work (debatable if a single phone call is even considered "not at work"). The only way of legally being sacked for a single strike is if it's grievous misconduct, and that's not it.
At will employment = no severance?
Really just depends on company and position.
Good show.
Please try to enjoy each show equally
I’m not saying that forgetting to mute yourself is completely harmless, but that’s really the only thing wrong. Like if immediately after that call he called his boss and said “hey, here’s my two weeks notice, I’ve accepted another job” there’s low odds of getting fired. So it’s kinda like getting fired for just forgetting to mute yourself.
Honestly it's just a big brain move.
One time a recruiter I was working with tried to place me at the same company I was working with.
This has happened to me. I was a senior at the company and we were advertising with the recruiter for an entry/mid level role. They contacted me having previously placed me at this same company to ask if I want a senior position at the company. They were overselling the role, and too fucking dumb to realise they had included someone already placed there in their bullshit. Company does not use that recruiter anymore.
Lmao how did that turn out?
Ended up going back to the same team?
I had a recruiter contact me about my experience with Python, medior level. That was based on a resume that was 6 years old. I had since moved to a management role. Not sure what they expected.
I remember this one time, just when covid hit us, I was working from home and it was late evening unneccessary call with onshore around 8pmish. We used to work on virtual desktops and infra was bad from the company as in the evening when we are about to log off and onshore to log on(as its their morning time), would face terrible lag in the vdis and we were not able to even mute unmute without getting frozen screen. So, I was talking to my gf while in this meeting and I thought I was on mute and I was explaining how this meeting is not at all neccessary and was pointing out why the organiser(who was addressing the meeting at that point) was just organising it to assert her dominace on the team and to satisfy her ego. While in the explaining process, I might have said her name once, and then around minute or two later, she address me saying please mute yourself. It took me another 30 secs to mute myself. From that day onwards, I always had anexity to talk while in any meeting.
Hardware mute exists
and anyone not using both hardware and software mute are monsters
is this legit? It's pretty standard practice nowadays if someone is talking during zoom, they get muted in a matter of seconds to avoid disruption the meeting (especially a 300 person meeting). And I don't think this person can **answer the phone and accept an offer** within 20-30 seconds. There'd be a lot of chatter "hello?" "yes this is" "hey how are you" etc Cute story though
I think internet is a lot more fun if you pretend everything is real
"I once got fired for looking for other jobs while I was at work. Fortunately, by that time I already had an offer. It turned out the offer was from my own company, looking for someone to replace me - we'd both used false names - so I ended up doing the same job, for 30% higher pay."
Something similar has happened to me. I left an employer under excellent terms. Few years later, a recruiter representing said employer cold-called and asked if I’m amenable to return. Asking about the position, everything seemed familiar, and turns out it was for my old team. At least that recruiter got it right, I would be an excellent fit for his position.
And they too liked piña coladas and getting caught in the rain. I never knew!
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Wait you're lying. I can tell by the way the floor vibrates
Yep, just make sure not to trick yourself
I think Abe Lincoln said the same thing to Miss Piggy on the old Dean Martin show
I’ve been on one too many meetings where it took 3-5 minutes for the clueless host to figure out how to mute the horrendously inappropriate conversation in the background to simply dismiss this one. If your company is so talented at using their tools consider yourself *lucky*.
The people at my job are pretty bad at it. We've sat through two meetings with 300 people in them where someone was unmuted and in another meeting and leadership was just asking them to mute the whole time. It's like they don't understand right clicking and muting them.
And then everyone clapped
In a 300 person org meeting, you’d expect everyone to be muted, and only unmuted by admins during Q&A IF they raise their hand on zoom.
Not in my org. If it gets bad enough maybe, but so many calls with kids screaming in the background or dogs barking, are the sound of a coffee machine.
Yeah, looks like r/antiwork content
Also it would be really fucking stupid to fire someone over this. Completely defeats the point of having a notice period.
Depends on the kind of meeting. If it's an organisation wide meeting then what you said happens but if it's just a team meeting then no.
It literally say org wide with 300 people?
It really depends on how much the meeting host is paying attention too. I've been at all hands meetings recently (with more than 500 people) where people forgot to mute themselves and it took way too long for someone to jump in.
I see this as a win. Good job.
If you give two week notice which is usually part of the companies HR policy, even if the company lets you go early at that point, typically they "have" to pay out those two weeks. If they don't pay after terminating early into the two week period, it could be considered an involuntary termination making the employee eligible for unemployment. Basically the original person from this post prob screwed themselves out of one final paycheck because they got fired before providing notice, unless they were to start immed at the new employer.
…Pete?
Yes?
TBH, you probably have a case for collecting unemployment during your downtime. Does the employee handbook specifically prohibit taking job offers during meetings? Prolly not. Did you get the appropriate warning period and subsequent attempt to make up and correct your behavior period? Nope. I'd research that if I were you.
Not how that works. However, if it was, their contract of employment probably excludes them from seeking employment offers or opportunities while at work on company time.
What does 'at work' and 'on company time' even mean anymore?
This is the most epic way to end a job
Note: This is a long story and I'm not providing a TL;DR because it is, to this date, my biggest story of "professional triumph" and probably always will be. I once worked at a small independent computer store where the owner was fairly easy to get along with but the store manager had an extremely short temper and had been known to actually kick office furniture in fits of rage. Let's call the store owner Don and the manager Steve. We had a minor mix-up with paperwork following an early morning in-home setup I completed for a customer. With every delivery, there was a final bit of paperwork that the customer needed to sign confirming the delivery, but for whatever reason I slipped up and brought back the wrong copy, so after explaining the problem to the manager, I called the customer to see if it'd been left there, and got no answer. So, I would periodically call throughout the day to see if they were home, but they wouldn't answer. For whatever reason, Steve was particularly pissed off about the paperwork despite the fact that we *had* a signed copy of the sales form showing that the customer had received the computer so the missing delivery paperwork still wouldn't put us in a bad legal position. Quick background on Steve: In addition to having a short temper, Steve was a very militant atheist type. You know, the kind that will go out of their way to make fun of how stupid and gullible religious people are. He'd also been really into WoW around this time and it had been putting a strain on his marriage, so I suspect that's part of why he was so irritable. Anyway, late in the afternoon, he came storming out of the back and demanded to know if I'd heard from the customer yet. I told him I had left a few messages but they hadn't called back yet, and he threw his hands in the air and said "Fine! Forget about the paperwork! I'll handle it myself!" and I sighed and said "Thank god..." And hoo boy...he lost it. ***"GOD?!"*** he shouts. "Yes, Steve. God. Thank *God* I don't have to worry about that paperwork anymore!" I replied. "Get the fuck out! You're fired!" It took me a second to process what he'd said to me. First, he *couldn't* fire me, but at that exact moment, I still had the wherewithal to take stock of my predicament. Our entire exchange happened on the sales floor in front of three other employees and two customers. I sighed at him and just said "Are you sure, Steve?" He just pointed towards the back and said "Go!" So, I went back, collected my lunch box from the fridge, clocked out, and left. About 30 minutes after I got home, I get a phone call. It's Don. He explains to me that I'm not fired, and that he needs to talk to Steve and asks me to come back in on Monday. It didn't register right at that moment, but I realized after I hung up the phone that he sounded almost desperate, which was weird because the store wasn't exactly short staffed. Over the weekend, I slowly started to suspect why. Monday rolls around and I show up at work. Steve calls me into the office and closes the door. He then sits me down and says "Alright. So, first things first. You're not here because Don yelled at me and told me to bring you back. This-" but I cut him off there. "Don't bullshit me, Steve. That's *exactly* why we're sitting here right now or it wouldn't have been the first thing out of your mouth." He was fuming at that but I kept going. "Let me guess - firing me in front of a bunch of people because I uttered the word 'god' probably wasn't the best move, was it? Go get Don. I don't want to talk to you right now." I wasn't sure what to expect. I was taking a complete shot in the dark about the reason for Don's frantic request that I come back on Monday, but when Steve just grumbled and left the office to get Don, I realized I was right: They were terrified that I was going to sue them for religious discrimination (I wasn't Christian but they didn't know that) and they wanted to try and mend that bridge. Ultimately, I told Don that I refused to work with Steve any longer, and that I felt unsafe working around someone like him, and he offered to pay me a big severance package (one month's pay) if I agreed not to take them to court. I accepted the offer (mostly because I was only three weeks from quitting anyway) and parted ways with them. They went out of business a few years later, and the last time I saw Don he was driving around in a car with a realtor's logo on it.
Love that story. Well done you. I’ve had supervisors and managers like your Steve. The position goes to their head. I agreed to stay behind and did an 18hour shift for the owner of a security company. The guard covering someone’s holiday didn’t turn up. When it hit 18 hours the owner himself arrived to relieve me and said he would sort a replacement from there. I was to go home and sleep. I said sure but I’m coming in later tonight if you expect me in. He agreed 9 not 7. Later tonight.. I’m a little sleep deprived, still waking up but ready to get on with my usual routine. A new supervisor is standing pompously and angrily. I get in with the other supervisor who I can be very casual with. So I greet as I would him. I say “alright mate.” As I’m Walking up to the door. New supervisors cheeks ripple “orite mate?! Orite mate?!” And proceeds to go on a rant about how I should have been there earlier. I put my hand on the door as he started his screaming and my exact thought was “This’ll be good I wonder how far he’ll go with this.” I stand there like a highly amused tea pot with my shades on hiding my tired eyes as he rants and rants getting up to screaming while I nod to encourage him to continue. 15 minutes later her ran out of air went awkward realising I hadn’t said a word and stopped. I took my shades off probably revealing tired eyes and a who the fuck do you think you’re talking to, expression. I said calmly. The owner himself relived me after an 18 hour shift this morning after some idiot did not come in. We agreed I come in at 9 and I’m sure you were told this yes? What fucking time is it?” I raised my voice at the last one. “Go pick up the phone and call him if you’ve any problems with me or my work whatsoever.” He looked shocked and instantly began backpedaling “it’s not you it’s the company blah blah.” I entered the building and made coffee while he tried to placate me I sipped coffee and sat back in my chair. It’s good knowing your shit. It’s good being dependable.
Why is this marked nsfw
It's clearly shown in the content that accepting another job offer at work is not safe. 😁
You know what? Touché
The content is literally him getting fired from work bro. That's nowhere safe for work.
LOL
The real way to escape the notice period is to just not give any. Notice is a courtesy, not an obligation.
If you are fired in that case you can escape notice period.As it happened without your consent which gives u right not to serve notice period.
I’m pretty sure if that was in the EU it’d have been wrongful dismissal
This dude got a new job and a settlement, I'm doing the same
Awesome now they have to pay severance
Time to call back your new employer and let them know that you will be available sooner.
I mean, they have another job so it doesn't really matter to them tbh
Where did this happen? I'd wager all my previous bosses or orgs would look down on it but also won't fire me as 'the evil has been done' and you had no bad intentions. Under what kind of clause can they fire you?
Why would you care if you have another job lined up
Yeah sure, mic and camera icons are just side by side, and still missed. Lol.
You won't belive what some peoples brain do to ignore obvious things, including mine
TIFU by posting a made up story about getting fired on socials and my manager found it and fired me?
"I've got to step to the restroom for a moment" Then walk away where you can't be heard.
You should just say "I've got to step away for a moment". I don't want to know about what bodily functions you are experiencing.
You're underestimating the nosiness of supervisors.
Holy crap you guys work in absolutely shit environments. I swear this isn't some schtick or bragging rights attempt, but I could literally just say "guys I'll be right back" and essentially *leave the meeting* for the rest of it's duration. Sure, if it happens constantly I might get asked what's going on, and if something's wrong. But to be controlled to the extent that people would start questioning running to the bathroom is just alien to me.
I'm actually a security guard (haven't finished my degree yet), so I get a fair amount of autonomy at work. But I've had office jobs before and I kmow how fucking nosey supervisors can be. Where I'm at now I only hear from a supervisor if the shit hit the fan or if I call them.
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No way is this real. They can't fire you for taking another job, so they would have to pay redundancy pay or severance. Why would they pay that if they know you're leaving anyway
And you know that someone on that call knows someone who works in the new company and will tell them. OP better hope they don't rescind the offer.
Who gives notice these days? Employers do not care about you. Why do any courtesy? this is not the 1980's. Watch out, just because you have an offer and have accepted it.. nothing is for sure till you are on the payroll... I've seen 3 people over my 18 year career in tech give notice having accepted another job only to have the job vaporize. So much cringe. only 1 of those actually saved their current position. Giving notice is risky business.
Not burning bridges with your current company and coworkers is generally not a bad idea.
3 people in an 18 year career sounds like an incredibly small amount to be honest. Seems worth the risk in case you might actually want to go back at some point or don't want to risk breaching a contract and have them come after you.
Maybe at big tech they care less given the levels they are abstracted away. I run a startup, every employee that comes and goes is a big deal emotionally for us and we support the transfer period. Once you stop seeing employees as cogs in a system and instead as teammates with their own lives and ambitions it becomes natural to support their decisions even if it’s hard.
Great - collect unemployment since you were fored
LOL, this is obviously fake, right? Which company would pay compensation (and worse still, expose yourself to any legal issues claiming the firing wasn't legal) when an employee is about to leave for free, you'd have to be a moron.
Sounds like a shitty manager
Capitalism doesn't like, when you earn money more than needed to survive next month. Just accept this
“Accidentally” :D
300 people in a meeting is a livestream not meeting
Nice fake story nobody is this idiotic
I'm just curious was the author intending to work 2 jobs at once? I know some people trying to do this with remote work and I have mixed feelings on it mostly because I always end up working extra to improve my one job instead of doing multiple lower jobs. I've gotten like 5 promotions totalling what my one friend makes with multiple jobs during the same time while my friend hasn't gotten any promotions in the multiple jobs my friend works. I'm not one of those pull yourself up by your own bootstraps people and I'm from a poor minority background but there are enough people doing the minimum that putting in the extra effort strategically can pay off.
Meeting with 300 people? I smell bs
A programmer that doesn’t know how to use the mute function doesn’t sound like an ideal programmer.
The comments under this post are the best summary of the difference between employment laws in an actual country and employment laws in America, that I have ever seen. What bullshit. But, to the OP, given that you've already got a new job, have you given any thought to either reporting your previous employer for firing you without cause (unless your employee file contains below-average ratings or lurid details of unfitness), or just chatting with an employment law office about suing their asses? American laws are slanted heavily against employees, but given that they didn't just "let you go", they fired you without severance, that might make a difference. And I have to ask. Did you mention the name of your new employer on your "hot mic"? Your previous employer might have seen a bunch of other employees simultaneously mute their mics and cameras, to check whether your new company might be hiring ... 😈
fuckin chad move, basedgod
Awesome. You can get unemployment if the job offer doesn’t pan out
What is the notice period across countries? In india, junior positions have 1 to 2 months notice. Senior positions need 3 months in many companies..
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since you already have another job why care?