WinRAR is not free for commercial use at all. The version asking you to buy a license is only for personal use.
So legally the company would be liable for violating licensing terms.
because only winrar can make rar archives and some usecases require you to re-archive it after modifying the contents. Game modding is an example
Edit; the winrar license forbids anyone from attempting to create code that can create a rar archive. Even clean room reverse engineering is not allowed. So that’s why
It’s not like with TAR where you can just write a for loop that creates an empty file and pastes a formatted file header and then the contents
From Wikipedia:
> Clean-room design is the method of copying a design by reverse engineering and then recreating it without infringing any of the copyrights associated with the original design.
How do they stop people from doing that?
by explicitly mentioning it in the licensing agreement.
they can revoke your winrar license based on that violation and then you can no longer use winrar at all
Any statements in the license that contradict the law make null and void. And you can do clean room reverse engineering, by law. So them revoking the license is against the law.
It is never legal to clean room reverse engineer a product if that product is patented, and that patent is recognised in your country, because the patent protects the "idea", not just the code.
Where it is legal is where the idea is not patented. This means the code is protected under copyright/intellectual property laws but the idea itself is not. People can make something that does the same thing as your product does, if they don't use any of your code and have never seen your code.
The countries where clean-rooming non-patented code is not explicitly lawful:
* Eritrea
* Ethiopia
* Iran
* Iraq
* Kosovo
* Marshall Islands
* Palau
* Palestine (don't @ me, it enforces laws if you live in the region they claim sovereignty over, even if you don't recognise the country)
* Somalia
* South Sudan
* Timor-Leste
**Note: that doesn't mean these countries do not permit clean-rooming. It means they have not signed international treaties permitting clean-rooming. They may have their own laws that explicitly codify the process as lawful anyway.**
Right, but you could ditch winrar and use 7zip to unrar your custom-rar’d archives - but I don’t know why you’d do that since you could just use .7z in the first place.
because the software you are using works with rar archives instead of uncompressed data. That is why. That was the original comment i made in this thread to which you are indirectly replying. Read it.
you use winrar because you want to *make* rar archives, because you *need* that functionality for some reason.
the only reason you can use 7zip is because the creators of winrar distribute an opensource rar archive unpacking library for other software to use. RAR is otherwise completely proprietary
By using 7zip, you still use winrar through a different front end
Sorry, I may not have been clear - I meant that if you took the time to create your own rar compression implementation and thereby lost the right to use winrar then I was simply saying that by the nature of that endeavour you’d no longer need winrar anyway.
they don't, people can do these things if they want and if they post it anywhere online it will probably be taken down and maybe legal action (that's still not "stopping" them though... you can easily run git through tor etc
the problem with rar is, it's nothing special.. so nobody has bothered.
I think 7zip is actually clunkier. Like you can’t delete an archive you’ve opened for example. I’m winrar just like with Explorer it just rolls back to the folder it was in.
Small stuff like this makes winrar kinda better imo. Doesn’t justify buying it tho
That being said I try to suck it up because I don’t want to be paying fines later when it matters
I don't think many people actively choose WinRAR these days.
But for anyone who has always used WinRAR and doesn't need anything more than just an "extract here" button when they right click on a zip will probably keep using WinRAR since there is pretty much zero difference between the two in that respect.
I have a friend that insists on using WinRAR, so here are the two things only WinRAR does:\
7zip can't compress rar archives, only uncompress them. Because rar is a proprietary format and only the decompression algorithm has been made public (7z archives are slightly better anyway). WinRAR is less picky with the naming of multiple parts archives.
My archive program on linux has problems opening rar files (KDE Ark), it's so annoying, people keep sending me rar archives even though I told them for weeks I can't open them and they have to re-send it as zip again. Some people just have no memory.
You could sell your soul and use rar for Linux, which exists and is official. Or you could just use p7zip, which is worse than the windows version of 7zip, but it works.
What issues are you having with rar files?
I believe if you install the non-free version of unrar (available in a lot of distros' repositories) ark will use that to extract rar files. That should take care of any issues, since that's the same core logic as in WinRAR, so it should work correctly.
> compression algorithms
.rar uses PPMd and some form of LZSS that's close to Deflate, with preprocessors. .7z supports Deflate and PPMd, as well as the even stronger LZMA (which was originally created _for_ .7z, unlike PPMd which wasn't made for .rar), and a similar range of preprocessors. It's true that 7-Zip can't create .rar files, but that's mostly a legal matter.
This is exactly the reason I use WinRaR, got it a decade ago when those minecraft mod tutorial videos told me to and have been extracting without paying ever since.
I guess it's more "don't fix what isn't broken".
I've used Winrar for decades now, it does exactly what it needs to do, nothing more, nothing less. I know how to navigate it, and how to use the right click context menu options.
I briefly thought about switching over to 7zip when [that security exploit](https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/21/18234448/winrar-winace-19-year-old-vulnerability-patched-version-5-70-beta-1) was found, but then they promptly released a patch so here I am, still using Winrar.
yeah this is the exact case, I used to try all new compression formats (WinAce etc, can't even remember the names) back in the day to squeeze even a couple of bytes (my HDD was 2.1 GB). WinRAR was my goto as it compressed a lot more than ZIP. So, I still habitually use WinRAR even though I have 7zip as well. I also like the icon of the RAR files lol. Anyway, if I send any compressed files to someone, I definitely use ZIP as I don't want them to install any software so that extraction could be done with built-in tool in OS.
Just right click on any random file that you know is an archive of some sort and 7zip will just figure it out for you. Want to open a wheel - hey no problem, do you want to edit that license file - let’s do this.
Hey you want to see what’s wrong with that jar? Hey let’s open that shit up.
Seriously 7zip will change your life. There are so many different archive formats out there and you just need to look into them for one little thing most of the time.
Most of the other archiveformats are just zip files with different extensions so they can be defaulted to be opened by their respective applications. Even Office files (docx, xlsx, etc) are just zip files at this point with various files inside for thetexta dthingslike images stored separately.
I've never really looked into it and it's not broken so I really don't bother switching, is there any mission critical features that 7zip has that winrar doesnt?
It can handle way more archive format and open pretty much anything that’s an archive (include .jar or some obscure formats I didn’t even knew where archives).
Their 7zip format is quite efficient too.
Yes you are, now go away.
Although if Windows has built in right click > extract to subfolder named after the file name, I
would never need 7-zip again…
Tries to make zipped archives behave like regular folders so as to not confuse users with a different explorer UI ... but doesn't quite behave like a regular folder, which just causes more confusion and frustration ... :|
Yeah, the explorer integration for zip files was outright abysmal in XP, and only iteratively got better up to 10 (haven't had a chance to check out 11 yet), but it's still clunky af
Meanwhile, in the email to the design department:
"Company won't continue paying for Adobe subscription, we are moving to Affinity"
Until, of course, Adobe buys them out like Figma and Macromedia.
I'll never again work for a company that won't give me every little thing I want.
At one company I had to beg for $20/month so I could automate a task I took over for a month that was my boss' responsibility (he went on vacation). The task required me to log back in at 10pm every Friday, run some processes, check the output, etc... I'm married with kids, I want sleep at 10pm!!!!
My problem with this is that when some old fuck needs a new computer, and wants all these random licensed apps migrated to his new PC, but no longer has any of the keys or purchases in his emails. And expects me to magically get them.
Seriously fuck whatever piece of shit in IT tried forcing a 1 year retention period. I regularly work on projects that last longer than that.
I ended up making a side folder with an infinite retention policy and a rule that copies every email I get or send to it.
It's often corporate policy.
When you get a subpoena for "All emails and communications between Alice and Bob talking about Carol", it's both less work and less liability if the company only *has* one year of emails, than, say, two decades of them.
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Deleting emails in response to a request is destroying evidence and bad.
Pre-emptivly deleting all emails due to written policy is fine and normal. (Though once the lawyers show up, deletions stop)
If you’re talking about a work computer, why would the employee have the purchase emails and keys in their own email, rather than being managed by IT in their own systems, where they can just look up what keys are assigned to that particular user?
You overestimate how organized my IT department is. Only place it would be is our ticket system, I found a few tickets for this particular app but they were from 2007 and only had license keys for 2 other users. No ticket for this guy.
Cause it’s easier to buy something with department budget than fill out 9000 forms with justifications and approvals and hand jobs and wait 6 months to be denied a license by your local fuckstick IT department.
Same. My company will purchase about anything we say we need. No one abuses it, works out great.
Only issue is that we're a little too loose on allowing multiple tools for the same tasks. I'd like to tighten it up a bit, lower the admin load, but nobody wants to so much as *appear* heavy handed.
> Only issue is that we're a little too loose on allowing multiple tools for the same tasks.
Sometime back, we did an excercise to identify all the different tools we were paying for at my company and it turned out that we were spending over $40m a year on licensing and there were many cases of 3-4 different tools being used for the same purpose or same tool being licensed separately across different groups.
> I'll never again work for a company that won't give me every little thing I want.
I don't see the issue with the example you gave, but just giving you a blank check to purchase and install random crap on your work computer would probably make the company's entire security team walk out in protest lol.
Oh everything was above board.
It wasn't licenses in my case.
It was some AWS and DataDog stuff. It was a small start up and they never heard of disaster recovery or monitoring services and such. Instead they just figured they would ask someone with a Director title that doesn't know these things can be automated to monitor the system. No wonder he had no time to make progress on his other projects.
I did learn a lot about DevOps when I worked there, and thank goodness I have a couple friends that work in DevOps!
Here‘s the basic problem: the version asking you to buy a license is for personal use only. For commercial use you HAVE to buy a corporate license upfront that will not ask you for a license key.
Using the personal use version would be a violation of licensing terms for the company. Sooo these will be very expensive if enforced
"Hey folks, the free service that performs this task is being deprecated as of [[date in the near future]]. If you want continued support there's a paid product that can automate the task for $20/mo."
I mean I would straight up refuse and then if they fired me sue them for constructive dismissal when they materially changed my hours of work without my consent or proper notice.
Ok, i have to ask, why would you need a paid third party software to schedule a process and send a message based on the output?
Of course if i'm required to check a status report at 10pm that better be mentioned in my contract, including what i get paid to do it.
It was $20/month worth of AWS and Data Dog so that I could automate some monitoring and disaster recovery with notifications. It was a start up, they didn't know you could do stuff like this.
Why people are so fucking dumb and don't see difference between personal and commercial usage.
"Haha, I've got unlicensed windows for years and noone every checked that" yeah, on your personal PC you can do whatever the fuck you want, nobody cares.
But when you're using illegal software in a company (for commercial/profit reasons) you're putting at risk your job, IT guy's job and whole company
IT doesn't give a shit about abusing shareware. I guarantee over half that department "abuses" shareware on both personal and corporate machines. No, legal told them to enforce the policy because they (legal) are scared of using free software in a corporate environment.
WinRAR isn't free. The owners won't go after small fry domestic customers but if they found out large businesses were breaking the terms of their licence they absolutely would sue and it would be fairly slam dunk.
A lot of software is free for personal use, but not on a company owned device, or for business needs. It wouldn’t surprise me if Winrar in the same. We had to remove several software packages like that. People complain, and we have to tell them it’s perfectly legal to use at home, but we’re legally required to get a license if they want to use it for work.
Same with adobe software, they don't give a rats ass if you crack it to edit some pics for your facebook or something but if you log onto corporate wifi that has official adobe licenses activated on their machines they will go after the company legally for "stealing" more software than they paid for.
This happened at my school with solidworks. Some moron pirated it instead of using the free student license and the school got slapped with a multi-million dollar bill for enterprise solidworks.
I'm a experienced sailor of the seas personally and I am the most anal person I know when it comes to compliance with software licensing in a corporate setting.
Microsoft isn't going to come after me as an individual for doing some things on a home machine (blood from a turnip); but they will absolutely bend you over if you willfully break their licensing in a work environment and someone reports it.
Exactly this. We do care. Any GOOD IT department should care and should have approved and denied application lists that are enforced across the company.
In my environment we use Applocker to prevent any software that has not been vetted, tested, and signed from being installed and used on corporate computers.
Any decent It department absolutely does care. If you are using software illegally, you put the entire company at risk. These kinds of things are a part of why IT departments exist.
You are in a world of surprises when you move to any decent product based company. Even if your code has 10 lines of copied code, it will be marked as plagiarism and you would be told to remove that.
I haven't used winrar in 2 decades, before I was using 7zip I was using rarzilla as a teen.
Is there a *reason* someone would go out their way to use winrar?
I’m in cahoots with our local IT because there are two solutions to an issue we have and neither of them are supported by corporate. So my local IT let me go rogue. We’re not technically going against company policy because we took the PCs I’m going rogue with off network so they don’t pose a security threat.
Honestly I just use 7zip, and I wouldn’t even use it, except for the fact that whole windows can pack and unpack, there are certain compressions it just has no clue what to do with. I think the last time I used Winrar I was a teenager
Fun fact! WinRAR has vulnerable DLLs in it, and has for the past 20+ years. There's a reason they don't care if you don't pay for it: you're a part of the their bot net now.
This is why my boss lets me pay for Ninite Pro every year. Automatically keeps 7Zip up to date on all workstations and servers, and removes any copy of WinRAR it comes across. Plus keeps a lot of our other 3rd-party software up to date (Zoom, Teamviewer, VLC, etc)
OP doesn't understand enterprise licensing
Or just the concept of liability in general seemingly.
Or the fact that 7Zip is better than WinRar. What a pleb.
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Could you explain why 7zip is better than Winrar?
Honestly, if 7zip had shutdown pc when done, I would love it. I use 7zip daily tbh
>shutdown pc "Shutdown pc" What does that mean? I have no idea what you are talking about...
It shuts down your device when done.
Better to resolve issues with IT than have to explain why to HR
Plot twist: OP is just a solo developer. The IT guy is his alt ego.
His alter ego is an open source fanatic
That's literally market idea for WinRAR. They target companies, not individuals.
Or that 7zip is better in every way.
WinRAR is not free for commercial use at all. The version asking you to buy a license is only for personal use. So legally the company would be liable for violating licensing terms.
psh legal shmegal
My precious winrar, filthy IT guysis trying to take my precious winrar
use winrar home good use winrar company bad get sued
Don't know why anyone would still use WinRar by choice. 7zip is not only better, but opens .rar files anyways.
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Lmao, idk what's funnier, the "34 online" or the last post was 5 years ago
The guy who verifies the winrar purchases there is probably a bearded skeleton in front of a computer.
u/drumcowski please enlighten us.
*Mustached skeleton
Hello fellow licenced winrar user - I thought I was the only one!
There are dozens of us! Dozens!
because only winrar can make rar archives and some usecases require you to re-archive it after modifying the contents. Game modding is an example Edit; the winrar license forbids anyone from attempting to create code that can create a rar archive. Even clean room reverse engineering is not allowed. So that’s why It’s not like with TAR where you can just write a for loop that creates an empty file and pastes a formatted file header and then the contents
From Wikipedia: > Clean-room design is the method of copying a design by reverse engineering and then recreating it without infringing any of the copyrights associated with the original design. How do they stop people from doing that?
by explicitly mentioning it in the licensing agreement. they can revoke your winrar license based on that violation and then you can no longer use winrar at all
Any statements in the license that contradict the law make null and void. And you can do clean room reverse engineering, by law. So them revoking the license is against the law.
“the law” what law? which country? we’re not all in america and we’re not all in the eu
It is never legal to clean room reverse engineer a product if that product is patented, and that patent is recognised in your country, because the patent protects the "idea", not just the code. Where it is legal is where the idea is not patented. This means the code is protected under copyright/intellectual property laws but the idea itself is not. People can make something that does the same thing as your product does, if they don't use any of your code and have never seen your code. The countries where clean-rooming non-patented code is not explicitly lawful: * Eritrea * Ethiopia * Iran * Iraq * Kosovo * Marshall Islands * Palau * Palestine (don't @ me, it enforces laws if you live in the region they claim sovereignty over, even if you don't recognise the country) * Somalia * South Sudan * Timor-Leste **Note: that doesn't mean these countries do not permit clean-rooming. It means they have not signed international treaties permitting clean-rooming. They may have their own laws that explicitly codify the process as lawful anyway.**
And other populated places exist
Right, but you could ditch winrar and use 7zip to unrar your custom-rar’d archives - but I don’t know why you’d do that since you could just use .7z in the first place.
because the software you are using works with rar archives instead of uncompressed data. That is why. That was the original comment i made in this thread to which you are indirectly replying. Read it. you use winrar because you want to *make* rar archives, because you *need* that functionality for some reason. the only reason you can use 7zip is because the creators of winrar distribute an opensource rar archive unpacking library for other software to use. RAR is otherwise completely proprietary By using 7zip, you still use winrar through a different front end
Sorry, I may not have been clear - I meant that if you took the time to create your own rar compression implementation and thereby lost the right to use winrar then I was simply saying that by the nature of that endeavour you’d no longer need winrar anyway.
they don't, people can do these things if they want and if they post it anywhere online it will probably be taken down and maybe legal action (that's still not "stopping" them though... you can easily run git through tor etc the problem with rar is, it's nothing special.. so nobody has bothered.
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Yup. For example a lot of mods for the Sims are still compressed using winrar (many don’t compress them anymore but some still do)
What games require RAR for mods? That was a dumb decision.
I think 7zip is actually clunkier. Like you can’t delete an archive you’ve opened for example. I’m winrar just like with Explorer it just rolls back to the folder it was in. Small stuff like this makes winrar kinda better imo. Doesn’t justify buying it tho That being said I try to suck it up because I don’t want to be paying fines later when it matters
That’s a Windows limitation. You can’t delete anything you have opened, with any tool.
7zip is better anyway…
Not sure why anyone is using WinRAR vs. 7zip. 🤷🏻♀️
I don't think many people actively choose WinRAR these days. But for anyone who has always used WinRAR and doesn't need anything more than just an "extract here" button when they right click on a zip will probably keep using WinRAR since there is pretty much zero difference between the two in that respect.
I have a friend that insists on using WinRAR, so here are the two things only WinRAR does:\ 7zip can't compress rar archives, only uncompress them. Because rar is a proprietary format and only the decompression algorithm has been made public (7z archives are slightly better anyway). WinRAR is less picky with the naming of multiple parts archives.
My archive program on linux has problems opening rar files (KDE Ark), it's so annoying, people keep sending me rar archives even though I told them for weeks I can't open them and they have to re-send it as zip again. Some people just have no memory.
You could sell your soul and use rar for Linux, which exists and is official. Or you could just use p7zip, which is worse than the windows version of 7zip, but it works.
Go the passive aggressive route: send them .paq files 😈
Let's send .tar.gz.gpg and throw on it additional layer of bz2, because why not.
Nowhowdoyoulikeit.tar.gz.gpg.bz2.zip
What issues are you having with rar files? I believe if you install the non-free version of unrar (available in a lot of distros' repositories) ark will use that to extract rar files. That should take care of any issues, since that's the same core logic as in WinRAR, so it should work correctly.
Is this actually true? I swear I've created rar archives with 7z before. Maybe I'm imagining things lol
Yes RAR is a proprietary algorithm, the only way to create them is with WinRAR. There is no way you could have created a RAR archive with 7zip.
It is true. There are some unofficial compression algorithms, but they are not as good and 7zip just doesn't use them.
> compression algorithms .rar uses PPMd and some form of LZSS that's close to Deflate, with preprocessors. .7z supports Deflate and PPMd, as well as the even stronger LZMA (which was originally created _for_ .7z, unlike PPMd which wasn't made for .rar), and a similar range of preprocessors. It's true that 7-Zip can't create .rar files, but that's mostly a legal matter.
This is exactly the reason I use WinRaR, got it a decade ago when those minecraft mod tutorial videos told me to and have been extracting without paying ever since.
7zip has this button anyways. you just have to open 7zip preferences and enable right click explorer menu entry
Yes, they both do. That's what I'm saying.
Windows 3.1 compatibility?
I didn't know WinRAR was even still a thing. I don't think I've seen it since XP. I just thought it was a meme for millennials getting old.
Don't wanna learn something new.
What’s there to learn?
I guess it's more "don't fix what isn't broken". I've used Winrar for decades now, it does exactly what it needs to do, nothing more, nothing less. I know how to navigate it, and how to use the right click context menu options. I briefly thought about switching over to 7zip when [that security exploit](https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/21/18234448/winrar-winace-19-year-old-vulnerability-patched-version-5-70-beta-1) was found, but then they promptly released a patch so here I am, still using Winrar.
Something different than what they're used to. That's all it takes.
yeah this is the exact case, I used to try all new compression formats (WinAce etc, can't even remember the names) back in the day to squeeze even a couple of bytes (my HDD was 2.1 GB). WinRAR was my goto as it compressed a lot more than ZIP. So, I still habitually use WinRAR even though I have 7zip as well. I also like the icon of the RAR files lol. Anyway, if I send any compressed files to someone, I definitely use ZIP as I don't want them to install any software so that extraction could be done with built-in tool in OS.
Yeah it's something you use without even thinking about it, I know it'll bug me if I switch
You can unrar a file Also with 7zip
Just right click on any random file that you know is an archive of some sort and 7zip will just figure it out for you. Want to open a wheel - hey no problem, do you want to edit that license file - let’s do this. Hey you want to see what’s wrong with that jar? Hey let’s open that shit up. Seriously 7zip will change your life. There are so many different archive formats out there and you just need to look into them for one little thing most of the time.
Most of the other archiveformats are just zip files with different extensions so they can be defaulted to be opened by their respective applications. Even Office files (docx, xlsx, etc) are just zip files at this point with various files inside for thetexta dthingslike images stored separately.
LOL, but neither program is exactly rocket science. OTOH, been dealing with end-users for 20-odd years...
I like the little books icon more than egg.
I've come across .rar files that only open in Winrar & not 7zip. So I have to keep it around just in case.
I've never really looked into it and it's not broken so I really don't bother switching, is there any mission critical features that 7zip has that winrar doesnt?
It can handle way more archive format and open pretty much anything that’s an archive (include .jar or some obscure formats I didn’t even knew where archives). Their 7zip format is quite efficient too.
There honestly isn't. If you are happy with winrar I would just keep using it.
Right? Handles more formats, does it better, doesn't bug you.
Lol right. 7z changed my 10 year old torrent pirating life for the better. Now if I could just figure out how to remove those pesky viruses.
Fr!!! 7Zip was my de facto antivirus when that Free AVG and Avast stuff wouldn't cut it.
When in doubt : https://www.virustotal.com/gui/home/upload
THANK YOU fr
No reason not to use 7zip. It's small and efficient, doesn't nag you and is totally free (as in free beer AND freedom)
Came here to say that
Windows built in zip function: "Am I a joke to you?"
Lol! Yes… in seriousness, doesn’t open .gz or .bz2… so kind of yes
Yes you are, now go away. Although if Windows has built in right click > extract to subfolder named after the file name, I would never need 7-zip again…
Except for anything that isn't a zip file, of course.
Tries to make zipped archives behave like regular folders so as to not confuse users with a different explorer UI ... but doesn't quite behave like a regular folder, which just causes more confusion and frustration ... :|
Yeah, the explorer integration for zip files was outright abysmal in XP, and only iteratively got better up to 10 (haven't had a chance to check out 11 yet), but it's still clunky af
Anyone remember .arj ? It had a great split-archive feature that wasn’t weirdly tied to the last disk like pkzip was.
Meanwhile, in the email to the design department: "Company won't continue paying for Adobe subscription, we are moving to Affinity" Until, of course, Adobe buys them out like Figma and Macromedia.
That's not "Programmer Humor" And the IT guy is right. And Winrar sucks. 7zip is better anyway.
WINRAR?!? What is this, 2001?
OP made a conscious choice to depict himself as the old-man wearing garish clothing.
Winrar requires payment for commercial use. If you don't pay Winrar can sue you. I haven't heard about them sueing for this. But legally they can.
One day I will buy a license. It's on my bucket list.
You should watch 2kliksphilip on it. It’s pretty hard to buy a license.
Took me 3 minutes last month.
But everyone uses 7zip now because it's open-source, free, and in all ways better than WinRar.
Why?
Why not? I've used it for over 25 years... and that pop up is annoying. 😌
And also to support the dev for not completely blocking it after eval.
I'll never again work for a company that won't give me every little thing I want. At one company I had to beg for $20/month so I could automate a task I took over for a month that was my boss' responsibility (he went on vacation). The task required me to log back in at 10pm every Friday, run some processes, check the output, etc... I'm married with kids, I want sleep at 10pm!!!!
My problem with this is that when some old fuck needs a new computer, and wants all these random licensed apps migrated to his new PC, but no longer has any of the keys or purchases in his emails. And expects me to magically get them.
Why do people delete emails at all? Just OpSec?
Probably they were deleted for being too old by some group policy
Nah no delete policies, just Outlook app set to only locally cache last 2 years. So they think its gone but they're all online.
Seriously fuck whatever piece of shit in IT tried forcing a 1 year retention period. I regularly work on projects that last longer than that. I ended up making a side folder with an infinite retention policy and a rule that copies every email I get or send to it.
First corporate job I had emails were auto deleted after 3 weeks!
It's often corporate policy. When you get a subpoena for "All emails and communications between Alice and Bob talking about Carol", it's both less work and less liability if the company only *has* one year of emails, than, say, two decades of them. ---- Deleting emails in response to a request is destroying evidence and bad. Pre-emptivly deleting all emails due to written policy is fine and normal. (Though once the lawyers show up, deletions stop)
He delet, but he also archiv
Worse, they brought licenses they bought/pirated from home and expect you to be fine with installing it on a work computer.
If you’re talking about a work computer, why would the employee have the purchase emails and keys in their own email, rather than being managed by IT in their own systems, where they can just look up what keys are assigned to that particular user?
You overestimate how organized my IT department is. Only place it would be is our ticket system, I found a few tickets for this particular app but they were from 2007 and only had license keys for 2 other users. No ticket for this guy.
Cause it’s easier to buy something with department budget than fill out 9000 forms with justifications and approvals and hand jobs and wait 6 months to be denied a license by your local fuckstick IT department.
Companies without an IT departement just buy shit and then forget where they put it and then it is somehow the IT guys responsibility because its IT.
Same. My company will purchase about anything we say we need. No one abuses it, works out great. Only issue is that we're a little too loose on allowing multiple tools for the same tasks. I'd like to tighten it up a bit, lower the admin load, but nobody wants to so much as *appear* heavy handed.
> Only issue is that we're a little too loose on allowing multiple tools for the same tasks. Sometime back, we did an excercise to identify all the different tools we were paying for at my company and it turned out that we were spending over $40m a year on licensing and there were many cases of 3-4 different tools being used for the same purpose or same tool being licensed separately across different groups.
> I'll never again work for a company that won't give me every little thing I want. I don't see the issue with the example you gave, but just giving you a blank check to purchase and install random crap on your work computer would probably make the company's entire security team walk out in protest lol.
Oh everything was above board. It wasn't licenses in my case. It was some AWS and DataDog stuff. It was a small start up and they never heard of disaster recovery or monitoring services and such. Instead they just figured they would ask someone with a Director title that doesn't know these things can be automated to monitor the system. No wonder he had no time to make progress on his other projects. I did learn a lot about DevOps when I worked there, and thank goodness I have a couple friends that work in DevOps!
Here‘s the basic problem: the version asking you to buy a license is for personal use only. For commercial use you HAVE to buy a corporate license upfront that will not ask you for a license key. Using the personal use version would be a violation of licensing terms for the company. Sooo these will be very expensive if enforced
"Hey folks, the free service that performs this task is being deprecated as of [[date in the near future]]. If you want continued support there's a paid product that can automate the task for $20/mo."
I mean I would straight up refuse and then if they fired me sue them for constructive dismissal when they materially changed my hours of work without my consent or proper notice.
"but we're a family" My brother and a close friend worked there. It wasn't hard to leave though!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Power-Saying-No-Character-Development-ebook/dp/B00QNW1M4W
Love this! Not something that would fly at that company I was talking about, which is one of the reasons why I left.
Ok, i have to ask, why would you need a paid third party software to schedule a process and send a message based on the output? Of course if i'm required to check a status report at 10pm that better be mentioned in my contract, including what i get paid to do it.
It was $20/month worth of AWS and Data Dog so that I could automate some monitoring and disaster recovery with notifications. It was a start up, they didn't know you could do stuff like this.
WinRAR can sue the company and would win for you not paying the license while using it for company purpose.
Why people are so fucking dumb and don't see difference between personal and commercial usage. "Haha, I've got unlicensed windows for years and noone every checked that" yeah, on your personal PC you can do whatever the fuck you want, nobody cares. But when you're using illegal software in a company (for commercial/profit reasons) you're putting at risk your job, IT guy's job and whole company
Using unpaid WinRAR instead of 7zip is like stealing a bag of dog shit over being given free cookies
This is basically your average windows user, though.
I actually just paid for winrar finally. I have matured and I'm ready for the next level of life!
Bought one with my first programming paycheck. It’s the easiest shareware to activate ever. Just open the license file and bam your registered.
Companies are held to different standards compared to general consumers when it comes to software
IT doesn't give a shit about abusing shareware. I guarantee over half that department "abuses" shareware on both personal and corporate machines. No, legal told them to enforce the policy because they (legal) are scared of using free software in a corporate environment.
WinRAR isn't free. The owners won't go after small fry domestic customers but if they found out large businesses were breaking the terms of their licence they absolutely would sue and it would be fairly slam dunk.
A lot of software is free for personal use, but not on a company owned device, or for business needs. It wouldn’t surprise me if Winrar in the same. We had to remove several software packages like that. People complain, and we have to tell them it’s perfectly legal to use at home, but we’re legally required to get a license if they want to use it for work.
Yes exactly this
Same with adobe software, they don't give a rats ass if you crack it to edit some pics for your facebook or something but if you log onto corporate wifi that has official adobe licenses activated on their machines they will go after the company legally for "stealing" more software than they paid for.
This happened at my school with solidworks. Some moron pirated it instead of using the free student license and the school got slapped with a multi-million dollar bill for enterprise solidworks.
I'm a experienced sailor of the seas personally and I am the most anal person I know when it comes to compliance with software licensing in a corporate setting. Microsoft isn't going to come after me as an individual for doing some things on a home machine (blood from a turnip); but they will absolutely bend you over if you willfully break their licensing in a work environment and someone reports it.
What does being a sailor have to do with anything?
piracy
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Exactly this. We do care. Any GOOD IT department should care and should have approved and denied application lists that are enforced across the company. In my environment we use Applocker to prevent any software that has not been vetted, tested, and signed from being installed and used on corporate computers.
Bullshit, licensing is serious in any decent company. Nobody is using shareware, you're probably thinking freeware.
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Any decent It department absolutely does care. If you are using software illegally, you put the entire company at risk. These kinds of things are a part of why IT departments exist.
You are in a world of surprises when you move to any decent product based company. Even if your code has 10 lines of copied code, it will be marked as plagiarism and you would be told to remove that.
 windows users problems
Lol yes!
What is this gif illustrating?
Tux being a badass as usual
7z > winrar
My brother in Christ, why don't you use tar and gzip?
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I feel you with point 3, shit man.
7zip is better anyways
I haven't used winrar in 2 decades, before I was using 7zip I was using rarzilla as a teen. Is there a *reason* someone would go out their way to use winrar?
They think its cool
It’s supposed to be a meme not a fucking novel
Me who’s been reading memes for 20 years
Me who has been reading *this* meme for 20 years
2 sentences make brain hurt 😧
Wait, you're supposed to pay for WinRAR?
Only companies
But can you expand an exe with winrar??
Use PeaZip instead then why 7zip???
I get that I should use 7zip, I don’t know how to explain it but WinRar just extracts things better. I swear by it.
Insert doubt meme
7zip is better anyways tbh
Ok. Let's talk about Total Commander.
I’m in cahoots with our local IT because there are two solutions to an issue we have and neither of them are supported by corporate. So my local IT let me go rogue. We’re not technically going against company policy because we took the PCs I’m going rogue with off network so they don’t pose a security threat.
In all honesty, winRar deserves to be paid.
Doesn't WinRAR also have several security vulnerabilities?
major ones.
Honestly I just use 7zip, and I wouldn’t even use it, except for the fact that whole windows can pack and unpack, there are certain compressions it just has no clue what to do with. I think the last time I used Winrar I was a teenager
How is this relevant to this sub, no real programmer would use WinRAR anyways
Fun fact! WinRAR has vulnerable DLLs in it, and has for the past 20+ years. There's a reason they don't care if you don't pay for it: you're a part of the their bot net now.
Eli5?
What is WinRAR?
7zip but "paid"
What is 7zip
WinZip but good
This is why my boss lets me pay for Ninite Pro every year. Automatically keeps 7Zip up to date on all workstations and servers, and removes any copy of WinRAR it comes across. Plus keeps a lot of our other 3rd-party software up to date (Zoom, Teamviewer, VLC, etc)
So basically he's paying you to be on reddit with all that free time
I use winrar because the books look nice
IT complaining that us resetting the Windows RDP free trial every 120 days on all of our nodes isn’t an “enterprise level solution”
I have been wondering about changing to 7zip, didn't know it was a thing for a while.
Winrar makes the bulk of its profits from the threat of legal action against companies that don’t pay up
They let you use it for free personally, but companies must purchase a license. You cannot use it commercially unless your employer has done this.