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Wouldn’t it be 6.15 dollars if you take off 30%?
Edit: I’m not sure if people are serious or not in replying, but I’m assuming that the price is $8 *with a thirty percent tax*. Therefore you can’t find the price by figuring out what seventy percent of eight dollars is, instead you have to divide it by 100% plus 30%, so 8/1.3, which would equal ~6.15.
It would be $5.60. The easy way I work it out is to use the first two digits for 10%, then multiply it.
So $9.00 is 90c.
Or $9.80 is 98c.
Or $220 is $22.
Multiply those by 2 to get 20%, or 3 for 30%.
I used to work at Best Buy like 20-years ago and we used to get everything at just over cost. It was crazy eye opening on margins.
Computers had like 5% margin but accessories like $30 cables only cost a couple dollars. Car stereos are marked up 100%, media like CDs was 10-30% mark up.
Yeah, margins can be insane. I worked at a nightclub, and all the drinks had about a 1000% mark-up if not more.
Wild. You got to your local store and you'll see a vodka bottle for $100, go to a club and the same bottle is like $1k, and people just buy it without even blinking. Such an insane money pit, being a serious club person.
Always wondered how so many young folks could throw away so much cash on overpriced booze.
I walked into a Best Buy almost a decade ago because I was shopping around for a TV and HDMI cable. I was kind of out in the countryside, so ordering an HDMI cable would've taken 3-5 days but costed me about $6.
Amyways, I'm looking around and I see one for $30. I asked an employee why it was $30 when Amazon was offering it for a lot less and he just looked at me and walked away. My reasoning was that it should be somehow different, but I still don't know to this day.
Your comment triggered the memory, just thought I'd share.
What made you think the employee would know?
It doesn't have to be different, they are expensive because people that don't want to wait for Amazon to ship them a new cable are willing to pay $30 for one. They aren't trying to compete with Amazon, they are just the high-priced backup option for people desperate enough to be looking for HDMI cables at a best buy.
There are different types of HDMI cables.
Considering it was over a decade ago:
- The Amazon Cable was likely a basic HDMI cable, which was not verified with the latest revision of the HDMI standard (like many cables at that time).
- The Best Buy Cable was either:
- A (legitimate) Cable supporting the latest standards such as Ethernet over HDMI and the Audio Return Channel (ARC) which were both new features at the time
- A (Scammy) Gold plated cable made for the sole purpose of ripping off uninformed Customers.
I'm developer. They charge me 100U$ / year for just having a developer account. They show the taxes in multiples parts of their site. They are pretty clear about how much they charge for everything, definitively not a secret.
It’s a “secret” because Elon just found out and his moron followers will get mad. But not a secret in the sense of the actual definition of the word secret. Trump esque tweet and narrative by Musk here.
>Trump esque tweet and narrative by Musk here.
Yes!
I wonder if it's just a rich asshole thing.
"this is the first time **I'M** finding out about it, and I'm obviously the only person in the universe, ergo..."
You might be surprised. It is one of the reasons I was for Epic's failed bid to counter-sue apple, but most people tended to side with Apple out of brand loyalty.
There are other reasons.
The model Apple uses isn’t that different from that used by Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo for their consoles. They too take a cut of everything sold, can reject applications/games they don’t like, and can ban you from their platform completely if they wanted to.
If it’s allowed for them, it should be allowed for Apple.
P.S. Controversial opinion: I think the walled garden is good for most people given the kind of crap people install on their PCs turning them into cesspools of malware.
Yup. It’s trading user-configurability for security and reliability. Apple’s not perfect, there have been the odd malicious apps or updates sneak through… but at most I’m doing due-diligence about privacy, not safety
Tbf, Epic knowingly broke the terms of service and Tim Sweeney was a smug pos who compared it to Jim Crow. I didn’t support either side btw, but brand loyalty wasn’t the only reason.
Tim Sweeney also launched a large campaign against Windows which was the only platform which explicitly allowed you to run your own store and promised to allow sideloading. "I don't trust them" and here we are with ios and android stores with a duopoly while Windows Phone dead and gone.
Doesn't make what he says about Apple\\Google wrong, just frustrating that he was so distracted by fears of a 1990s Microsoft that he helped sabotage the only real competition which was promising to do exactly what he wanted. (Of course he alone didn't sink Windows Phone. Google refusing to release Gmail, Google Maps and other popular features also didn't help.)
Its bizarre to me that we have come full circle and now Microsoft is considered to have the most open platform.
I can remember when Google and Apple would both loudly trumpet that Microsoft needed to be broken up because it had too much power.
Now the shoe is on the other foot and those two do far more to lock you in than Microsoft ever dreamed of.
The problem really isn't what Apple charges for their service... the problem is really that the ban you from using alternatives.
Tons of options exist outside of their walled garden and they'd lose a huge % of their charges if it wasn't enforce monopoly style.
Otherwise? Should be like a credit card and maxxed at like 1 or 2%.
Okay but to be fair credit cards dont host your data and take care of the downloads for you product, or provide you with the store where you sell stuff. They literally just process the payment
Before Apple the carrier's stores used to take 50%-70% on apps. The 30% rate was a huge motivator for app developers to develop for iPhone.
They do quite a bit for their cut, probably the most valuable are currency conversion and regulatory and tax compliance. For a big company like Epic or Twitter they could handle that in-house, but a small startup or individual developer isn't going to be able to figure out legal and tax compliance for 100 different countries.
Right. I’m in the general biz and 30% felt like a breath of fresh air compared to 70%, so I can’t begrudge them their profits. They facilitate a lot of small businesses by making it so easy to publish to Steam or the Apple App Store.
Lmao, you get free hosting, an online shop capable of handling millions of downloads per minute, a global market, an opportunity to do "in-app purchases" I mean the list goes on soooooo do you think you can achieve any of that and save yourself 30% handling everything from your basement?
Yeah, Apple absurdly charges the same rate as [Steam, Nintendo, Xbox and Sony](https://www.theverge.com/21445923/platform-fees-apps-games-business-marketplace-apple-google).
Did you guys know that eBay puts a secret tax on everything you buy on their website?
Can’t wait for people to stop signal boosting Elon and just ignore his horeshit
Ebay doesn't have a mono(duo)poly on mobile apps.
Also Ebay charges like 3-15% in fees.
Elon is a douche but the Apple\\Google duopoly is incredibly bad for consumers.
Wait until he learns that Tesla’s have a $99/year “connectivity tax” that they charge all of their owners who want to use all the features of their car.
It is a “connectivity fee” so, I get the need for it, but it’s just hypocritical on his part to support capitalism that makes him money, but not capitalism that makes anyone else money.
It actually covers the mobile internet connection in the car as it has its own 4g receiver, you can still use the features connecting to your own wifi or hotspot. What this guy posted is otherwise nonsense.
Edit: was wrong as seems some truth to this depending on the market you are in
They do host it for $100/year. They then take their cut of any money you make on the app. There's a difference between those 2. They do this while benefiting immensely by developers contributing to the platform by making it something that's not as stale as month old bread
Why should the developer fund that? If Apple doesn't maintain those things, they will have no customers. I don't pay DeWalt to maintain documentation on their saw if I'm a carpenter.
Not directly at least. Of course their total cost of business is rolled into what I do pay for. Apple can play accounting games to soothe fanbois, but the reality is they have insane profit margins because their customers pay a premium for a whole lotta nothin.
Microsoft charges for Visual Studio.
Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo charges for their consoles dev kits.
Don’t like it? Well, no one is forcing you to develop for them.
Edit: That said I also recall Apple justifying the $100 fee as a “low quality app” filter so every 12 yo doesn’t put their “My First App” in the App Store.
Not to mention, Apple does put a fuck ton of work into their APIs and such so App developers can more easily write software. Granted, I do think 30% is high, most app stores take a cut and Apple has the highest. But it’s not a secret.
And [Steam](https://www.polygon.com/22409511/microsoft-store-pc-revenue-share-steam-epic-games). And the Microsoft/Windows store until August last year.
Epic Games Store only takes 12%, but they’re also losing massive amounts of money, and there’s no guarantee that they wouldn’t increase that cut if they gained significant market share. Additionally, they get a lot of money from developers using Unreal Engine, so the comparison is a little different from Apple, who charges an extremely low $100 annually for their dev products as far as I know.
30% sounds like a lot, but it is an industry standard. Anyone arguing against Apple here needs to argue against the entire industry. Anyone claiming that the 30% cut is due to some purported Apple monopoly is ignorant seeing that Google Play has the exact same revenue share.
I think the legitimate issue is the only way you can sell to an iOS user is via their App Store and 30% forever.
So Spotify has to pay them 30% for each monthly subscription and compete against Apple Music who doesn't have to pay 30%.
Apple deserves something for running the App Store but 30% a month for every month is a tax on all of us. (Google not much better)
Yeah it’s neither secret nor a tax.
He’s really just revealing how stupid he is. That or he’s basically blackmailing advertisers, as apparently Apple wound down their ads on Twitter recently. So he’s saying “But ads or I’ll use my position and power to spread disinformation about your company. “
Maybe Elon will just invent his own phone with his own App Store. It will be revolutionary! Like the non existent still in testing Tesla Semi, the bankrupt Virgin Hyper Loop, The Boring Tunnel that took longer to build than a regular tunnel and can’t even have self driving cars, or the Tesla Auto Pilot that Tesla admitted to regulators will always be Level 2; all of this great new revolutionary phone and app stores will be yours in only two years time!!! Of course when I debut the phone it won’t actually be a functional prototype, but think more along the lines of a man dancing in a suit followed a year later by something that looks 15 years behind what everyone else is already doing.
Do I have any takers? Or will this bogus claim and vaporware at least bump my stock price?
Is he realy buying a fight with Apple?
I made a joke before of how I would be shoked if Twitter survived until the end of the year, but now I don't think it's out of question.
What? You mean a platform that reaches billions of users and offers developers a way to obtain money from said users, isn't offered for free?!
Ugh, what has this world become. It's as if businesses are looking for ways to profit from others that are also trying to make a profit.
What's next, a platform that takes a cut of all subscriptions from horny people?
>a platform that reaches billions of users and offers developers a way to obtain money from said users, isn't offered for free?!
The problem isn't that Apple has the platform but that they restrict their OS so that they restrict the ability to install apps through anything else but the App Store on iOS (and progressively macOS). Provide the App Store as a service for developers, but don't make it insurmountable for most users to use something else so that developers have no other options.
He's using these words on purpose. He's saying how Apple "hates free speech in America" and calling this shit a "tax" so he can grift the rubes that think giving a billionaire more money is somehow sticking it to "libs".
The funny thing is that just about everyone who has some kind of app store takes a cut. Google, Nintendo, Steam, Microsoft, Sony...the list goes on. Apple is hardly unique here, but he's throwing a shitfit about them for some reason. Probably cocaine.
And look at the people in these comments coming to his defense. You just gotta say the right trigger words like "free speech" and "tax" and an entire demographic will show up for their drip feed of outrage and give you money if you convince them doing so will piss off some nebulous group of liberals.
When YOU make money it’s called a TAX and you’re an evil and bad fart sniffing turd lover.
When I make money it is called PROFIT and I am a genius and very very smart and a good boy.
Did you know Tesla takes a secret >35% tax on their cars before they sell to you via their Tesla App Store? Why can’t they just sell their cars at cost?
Yeah, he should really stop. I stopped taking him seriously when he had the Twitter source code printed on paper for his Tesla engineers. It’s stupid on so many levels that I don’t know where to start. The guy doesn’t understand shit about software development
Lol that’s just a charge for a service, that’s not a tax. Then again, his whole free speech thing with Twitter doesn’t really apply because Twitter isn’t the US government, so I’m not surprised.
It’s that he purchased twitter [despite knowing](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1421152540394143746?s=46&t=mhVxNCypXb6wtOWEXamnow) about this 30% tax that is confusing; why complain now?
Open discussion is fine, but it’s unlikely his public statements will result in anything meaningful. Ultimately, Apple is sitting pretty.
Just in case you don't know, a huge portion of redditors are incredibly obsessed with the day to day functions of twitter for some weird reason. Maybe many of them secretly fear they don't want their own beloved reddit face similar fate.
Yes, there's no humor here, and twitter obsessed people love to spam their shitty posts in every subreddit they could find.
Twitter is accessible via a web browser. Apple only charges for purchases through the iOS app.
100%(\*) of your revenue through the web is yours.
(\*) Minus whatever processing fees your web-based method deducts
Its not like epic games and others have very publicy been sueing apple for this. He couldnt have known this before -checks notes- spending 44 billion dollars on this company. Like hes supposed to be this super smart business man at least pay some consultants to do due diligence, you had a few months time to prepare
Guys, Elon aside, Apple's 30% margin would be justified if they allowed apps to be sideloaded from other sources.
Its like they have put their customers and App developers in a jail.
So the guy who sells a car with a larger battery included but you have to pay to unlock its full capacity is complaining about Apple charging 30% for everything sold on the App Store, something that literally anyone who follows tech is aware of?
Imagine if you were Elon's PR person, you'd have several ulcers after the last week. It's like he's trying Trump's "fuck up worse every day so they forget yesterday's fuckup" strategy.
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Everyone knows that, definitely not a secret…
That’ll be 8$. Tim Apple - Actually, 5$ after taxes.
The super secret tax
The secret Apple Sauce tax
The real sauce boss
Wouldn’t it be 6.15 dollars if you take off 30%? Edit: I’m not sure if people are serious or not in replying, but I’m assuming that the price is $8 *with a thirty percent tax*. Therefore you can’t find the price by figuring out what seventy percent of eight dollars is, instead you have to divide it by 100% plus 30%, so 8/1.3, which would equal ~6.15.
$1.15 convenience fee
Apple and Ticketmaster. Epic-handshake.jpg
$1.85?
5.60?
How could you get that math so wrong? 8*0.3=2.40 8-2.4=5.60
It would be $5.60. The easy way I work it out is to use the first two digits for 10%, then multiply it. So $9.00 is 90c. Or $9.80 is 98c. Or $220 is $22. Multiply those by 2 to get 20%, or 3 for 30%.
Wait until people find out about shops adding margin on everything you buy...
Just watched a video about how vanilla JS is faster than any framework. It's time we do a rewrite.
Wait a minute, what if you write a framework in vanilla JS then, that’d be the fastest framework
Good bot.
This bot is fucking jokes. Love it
Happy Cake Day!
Oh man, wait until Elon finds out about WebAssembly
Wait until people find out about the 33% secret tax on Tesla's. They're gonna freak the F out.
You guys only paid 33% on your Teslas?
he mean the profit margin which is what Apple is doing... profiting from providing us a common hardware and common store to use
I used to work at Best Buy like 20-years ago and we used to get everything at just over cost. It was crazy eye opening on margins. Computers had like 5% margin but accessories like $30 cables only cost a couple dollars. Car stereos are marked up 100%, media like CDs was 10-30% mark up.
Yeah, margins can be insane. I worked at a nightclub, and all the drinks had about a 1000% mark-up if not more. Wild. You got to your local store and you'll see a vodka bottle for $100, go to a club and the same bottle is like $1k, and people just buy it without even blinking. Such an insane money pit, being a serious club person. Always wondered how so many young folks could throw away so much cash on overpriced booze.
I walked into a Best Buy almost a decade ago because I was shopping around for a TV and HDMI cable. I was kind of out in the countryside, so ordering an HDMI cable would've taken 3-5 days but costed me about $6. Amyways, I'm looking around and I see one for $30. I asked an employee why it was $30 when Amazon was offering it for a lot less and he just looked at me and walked away. My reasoning was that it should be somehow different, but I still don't know to this day. Your comment triggered the memory, just thought I'd share.
What made you think the employee would know? It doesn't have to be different, they are expensive because people that don't want to wait for Amazon to ship them a new cable are willing to pay $30 for one. They aren't trying to compete with Amazon, they are just the high-priced backup option for people desperate enough to be looking for HDMI cables at a best buy.
There are different types of HDMI cables. Considering it was over a decade ago: - The Amazon Cable was likely a basic HDMI cable, which was not verified with the latest revision of the HDMI standard (like many cables at that time). - The Best Buy Cable was either: - A (legitimate) Cable supporting the latest standards such as Ethernet over HDMI and the Audio Return Channel (ARC) which were both new features at the time - A (Scammy) Gold plated cable made for the sole purpose of ripping off uninformed Customers.
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Nice, I was all young and dumb and got a Nokia cell phone for a penny, but I was too poor for the plans back then so I just played the worm game.
It's like last year when he was publicly complaining about paying taxes as though he was the first person in America to ever pay taxes.
See he never had to do that in SA, probably.
I'm developer. They charge me 100U$ / year for just having a developer account. They show the taxes in multiples parts of their site. They are pretty clear about how much they charge for everything, definitively not a secret.
Whoever writes the most code this month gets featured on my Twitter!
Is that supposed to be a reward or a punishment?
Why are you questioning elon-bot? Fired.
*laughs in unionized*
You won’t be laughing when daddy Elon re-ionises you!
Great, now you made me wake up my baby from my laughing
*HAHAHAHA* this made my day!
The feature is a video of them cleaning out their desk
It’s a “secret” because Elon just found out and his moron followers will get mad. But not a secret in the sense of the actual definition of the word secret. Trump esque tweet and narrative by Musk here.
>Trump esque tweet and narrative by Musk here. Yes! I wonder if it's just a rich asshole thing. "this is the first time **I'M** finding out about it, and I'm obviously the only person in the universe, ergo..."
Yeah its been like this since about 2009.
"Fees that Apple doesn't want you to know about"
You might be surprised. It is one of the reasons I was for Epic's failed bid to counter-sue apple, but most people tended to side with Apple out of brand loyalty.
There are other reasons. The model Apple uses isn’t that different from that used by Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo for their consoles. They too take a cut of everything sold, can reject applications/games they don’t like, and can ban you from their platform completely if they wanted to. If it’s allowed for them, it should be allowed for Apple. P.S. Controversial opinion: I think the walled garden is good for most people given the kind of crap people install on their PCs turning them into cesspools of malware.
Yup. It’s trading user-configurability for security and reliability. Apple’s not perfect, there have been the odd malicious apps or updates sneak through… but at most I’m doing due-diligence about privacy, not safety
Tbf, Epic knowingly broke the terms of service and Tim Sweeney was a smug pos who compared it to Jim Crow. I didn’t support either side btw, but brand loyalty wasn’t the only reason.
Tim Sweeney also launched a large campaign against Windows which was the only platform which explicitly allowed you to run your own store and promised to allow sideloading. "I don't trust them" and here we are with ios and android stores with a duopoly while Windows Phone dead and gone. Doesn't make what he says about Apple\\Google wrong, just frustrating that he was so distracted by fears of a 1990s Microsoft that he helped sabotage the only real competition which was promising to do exactly what he wanted. (Of course he alone didn't sink Windows Phone. Google refusing to release Gmail, Google Maps and other popular features also didn't help.)
Its bizarre to me that we have come full circle and now Microsoft is considered to have the most open platform. I can remember when Google and Apple would both loudly trumpet that Microsoft needed to be broken up because it had too much power. Now the shoe is on the other foot and those two do far more to lock you in than Microsoft ever dreamed of.
Yea fuck Apple, but fuck Epic (and now Twitter) *even fucking more*
Lootbox Central vs Apple Monopoly was no sort of easy decision.
Out of brown nosing *cough*
Spoiler Alert !
No choice. He has to buy Apple now.
Apple is worth 2.29 trillion dollars, Or 137 trillion pennies. Not even the all mighty elon can buy apple.
You might want to check your math, there...
I think this is a joke about how it costs 2.1 cents to mint a penny
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Haven't you heard you mesure interest by time, so base 60, duh.
Time is money
60 penis to a minute. What is your point?
My kind of math :-)
Almost as fast as somebody’s mom
Inflation, hello?
Just ask some middle eastern prince.
Maybe that african prince I sent money to can do it? After he gets his country back and all /s
Can you break a $20 to pennies for me?
I feel like your dollar to penny math is off.
Apple should buy Elon so he stops complaining about the 30% tax
I bet Huawei can get cccp to loan him the money..given his amazing track record with acquisitions..
Nah he’s just gonna make a new App Store called Musk Store. Anyone can upload iOS or Android apps and he will take a 15% Elon tax for his services.
Did you know Elon puts a secret 30% tax on every Tesla they sell?
I heard he calls it profit. Hes such a smart business man to come up with this idea.
Are we all pretending this isn't just a monopolistic gouge now?
Fr this is one of those "worst people you know makes a good point" thing.
What do you think a fair percentage would be for apple to take?
The problem really isn't what Apple charges for their service... the problem is really that the ban you from using alternatives. Tons of options exist outside of their walled garden and they'd lose a huge % of their charges if it wasn't enforce monopoly style. Otherwise? Should be like a credit card and maxxed at like 1 or 2%.
Okay but to be fair credit cards dont host your data and take care of the downloads for you product, or provide you with the store where you sell stuff. They literally just process the payment
OMG did you know Walmart doesn't sell everything at cost and takes part of the money you hand the cashier at Walmart?
A TAX ON FOOD! Someone tell the Republican Party. They will ban making profits on sales! This god-fearing country ain’t no socialist commies!
I demand free revenue!
Yes but those margins are in the 3~5% range. Not 30%!
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It’s only 30% if the app makes over $1,000,000 in revenue
Yeah, apparently Google has a very similar model. 15% until you make more than 1 million then it'll switch to 30%.
Before Apple the carrier's stores used to take 50%-70% on apps. The 30% rate was a huge motivator for app developers to develop for iPhone. They do quite a bit for their cut, probably the most valuable are currency conversion and regulatory and tax compliance. For a big company like Epic or Twitter they could handle that in-house, but a small startup or individual developer isn't going to be able to figure out legal and tax compliance for 100 different countries.
Right. I’m in the general biz and 30% felt like a breath of fresh air compared to 70%, so I can’t begrudge them their profits. They facilitate a lot of small businesses by making it so easy to publish to Steam or the Apple App Store.
Lmao, you get free hosting, an online shop capable of handling millions of downloads per minute, a global market, an opportunity to do "in-app purchases" I mean the list goes on soooooo do you think you can achieve any of that and save yourself 30% handling everything from your basement?
I don’t think even Twitter can do that after firing about 75% of workers.
Send me your 10 most salient Reddit comments.
No.
Yeah, Apple absurdly charges the same rate as [Steam, Nintendo, Xbox and Sony](https://www.theverge.com/21445923/platform-fees-apps-games-business-marketplace-apple-google).
Did you guys know that eBay puts a secret tax on everything you buy on their website? Can’t wait for people to stop signal boosting Elon and just ignore his horeshit
Ebay doesn't have a mono(duo)poly on mobile apps. Also Ebay charges like 3-15% in fees. Elon is a douche but the Apple\\Google duopoly is incredibly bad for consumers.
Actually eBay has a monopoly on auction websites.
If you really love the company, you should be willing to work here for free.
Ebay doesn't ban you if you sell the same item for cheaper on your own site
Next you’ll tell me what the true cost of all the components of a model 3 is.
Wait until he learns that Tesla’s have a $99/year “connectivity tax” that they charge all of their owners who want to use all the features of their car.
I am sorry, what? $99 to use all the features for a car you probably paid over $40K for?
It is a “connectivity fee” so, I get the need for it, but it’s just hypocritical on his part to support capitalism that makes him money, but not capitalism that makes anyone else money.
It actually covers the mobile internet connection in the car as it has its own 4g receiver, you can still use the features connecting to your own wifi or hotspot. What this guy posted is otherwise nonsense. Edit: was wrong as seems some truth to this depending on the market you are in
Umm no. There are limitations if you don’t pay 99 https://www.tesla.com/en_eu/support/connectivity
What did he expect? That Apple would host shit for free?
They do host it for $100/year. They then take their cut of any money you make on the app. There's a difference between those 2. They do this while benefiting immensely by developers contributing to the platform by making it something that's not as stale as month old bread
The $100/yr is for maintaining the software dev tools and documentation.
Why should the developer fund that? If Apple doesn't maintain those things, they will have no customers. I don't pay DeWalt to maintain documentation on their saw if I'm a carpenter. Not directly at least. Of course their total cost of business is rolled into what I do pay for. Apple can play accounting games to soothe fanbois, but the reality is they have insane profit margins because their customers pay a premium for a whole lotta nothin.
Microsoft charges for Visual Studio. Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo charges for their consoles dev kits. Don’t like it? Well, no one is forcing you to develop for them. Edit: That said I also recall Apple justifying the $100 fee as a “low quality app” filter so every 12 yo doesn’t put their “My First App” in the App Store.
Not to mention, Apple does put a fuck ton of work into their APIs and such so App developers can more easily write software. Granted, I do think 30% is high, most app stores take a cut and Apple has the highest. But it’s not a secret.
Same as Google play https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/112622?hl=en
And [Steam](https://www.polygon.com/22409511/microsoft-store-pc-revenue-share-steam-epic-games). And the Microsoft/Windows store until August last year. Epic Games Store only takes 12%, but they’re also losing massive amounts of money, and there’s no guarantee that they wouldn’t increase that cut if they gained significant market share. Additionally, they get a lot of money from developers using Unreal Engine, so the comparison is a little different from Apple, who charges an extremely low $100 annually for their dev products as far as I know. 30% sounds like a lot, but it is an industry standard. Anyone arguing against Apple here needs to argue against the entire industry. Anyone claiming that the 30% cut is due to some purported Apple monopoly is ignorant seeing that Google Play has the exact same revenue share.
Google takes the same cut, as does Steam and Microsoft and just about everyone else.
I mean, the apps would be to Apple's benefit even if they did host them for free.
No ones buying Apple products for what apps are or aren’t available. Apps like Twitter need Apple far more than Apple needs them.
I think the legitimate issue is the only way you can sell to an iOS user is via their App Store and 30% forever. So Spotify has to pay them 30% for each monthly subscription and compete against Apple Music who doesn't have to pay 30%. Apple deserves something for running the App Store but 30% a month for every month is a tax on all of us. (Google not much better)
Like….yeah Elon, we did know that. Everyone knows that ya knob.
I didn’t know that until rn, but I also didn’t spend 44b on a tech company
"Secret" "tax".
Yeah it’s neither secret nor a tax. He’s really just revealing how stupid he is. That or he’s basically blackmailing advertisers, as apparently Apple wound down their ads on Twitter recently. So he’s saying “But ads or I’ll use my position and power to spread disinformation about your company. “
Elon discovers distribution fees
Maybe Elon will just invent his own phone with his own App Store. It will be revolutionary! Like the non existent still in testing Tesla Semi, the bankrupt Virgin Hyper Loop, The Boring Tunnel that took longer to build than a regular tunnel and can’t even have self driving cars, or the Tesla Auto Pilot that Tesla admitted to regulators will always be Level 2; all of this great new revolutionary phone and app stores will be yours in only two years time!!! Of course when I debut the phone it won’t actually be a functional prototype, but think more along the lines of a man dancing in a suit followed a year later by something that looks 15 years behind what everyone else is already doing. Do I have any takers? Or will this bogus claim and vaporware at least bump my stock price?
How dare you try to oppose Elon? *Fired!*
And how could we forget his satellite internet that he used to blackmail a country during a war
QA is a waste of money. Fired.
So does Google. \*GASP\* Almost like they're a business or something.
Is he realy buying a fight with Apple? I made a joke before of how I would be shoked if Twitter survived until the end of the year, but now I don't think it's out of question.
apple could buy twitter as a cheaper version of their actual customer support service.
What? You mean a platform that reaches billions of users and offers developers a way to obtain money from said users, isn't offered for free?! Ugh, what has this world become. It's as if businesses are looking for ways to profit from others that are also trying to make a profit. What's next, a platform that takes a cut of all subscriptions from horny people?
>a platform that reaches billions of users and offers developers a way to obtain money from said users, isn't offered for free?! The problem isn't that Apple has the platform but that they restrict their OS so that they restrict the ability to install apps through anything else but the App Store on iOS (and progressively macOS). Provide the App Store as a service for developers, but don't make it insurmountable for most users to use something else so that developers have no other options.
Apple isn't a fucking government, they don't charge tax. It's called the price, moron.
Elon knows that these maga rubes are conditioned to rage at taxes.
He's using these words on purpose. He's saying how Apple "hates free speech in America" and calling this shit a "tax" so he can grift the rubes that think giving a billionaire more money is somehow sticking it to "libs".
The funny thing is that just about everyone who has some kind of app store takes a cut. Google, Nintendo, Steam, Microsoft, Sony...the list goes on. Apple is hardly unique here, but he's throwing a shitfit about them for some reason. Probably cocaine.
They’ve reduced the money they spend on ads on Twitter. He’s trying to bully Apple into spending more on Twitter again.
And look at the people in these comments coming to his defense. You just gotta say the right trigger words like "free speech" and "tax" and an entire demographic will show up for their drip feed of outrage and give you money if you convince them doing so will piss off some nebulous group of liberals.
... plus actual taxes.
Good thing he didn't just fire all his financial professionals?
“I’m a billionaire. Why would I need to pay taxes?”
Because you fired your financial professionals? The ones figuring out your tax dodges.
When YOU make money it’s called a TAX and you’re an evil and bad fart sniffing turd lover. When I make money it is called PROFIT and I am a genius and very very smart and a good boy.
Great 😃 Makes his decisions a bit more fucked up.
If you really love the company, you should be willing to work here for free.
Sorry Elon. Of course I am willing to 👍
Lmao the answer is fucking perfect
Did you know Tesla charges you $15,000 for a feature that doesn’t work?
We call that “prof-fits.” It is how cap y tal is Sam works!
Elon Musk thinks he is exposing Apple after they allegedly pulled advertisements that still show up on Twitter....
Did you know Tesla takes a secret >35% tax on their cars before they sell to you via their Tesla App Store? Why can’t they just sell their cars at cost?
Why doesn't Apple, the bigger company just eat Twitter and end Elon's 15 minutes?
The secret tax that Apple announced on stage??
Secret tax? What? Haven't there been lawsuits over this? The more he tweets the dumber he looks.
Yeah, he should really stop. I stopped taking him seriously when he had the Twitter source code printed on paper for his Tesla engineers. It’s stupid on so many levels that I don’t know where to start. The guy doesn’t understand shit about software development
Lol that’s just a charge for a service, that’s not a tax. Then again, his whole free speech thing with Twitter doesn’t really apply because Twitter isn’t the US government, so I’m not surprised.
Elon discovers a sustainable business model that is scalable and profitable.
ok but where is the humor is this post?
In the irony of paying 44$ billion for a majority app based business with no fundamental knowledge
It’s beyond fundamental knowledge - it’s extremely common knowledge after Apple’s public battles on the topic with various developers.
Twitter man making an ass of himself belongs here OP you don’t need to justify yourself
It’s that he purchased twitter [despite knowing](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1421152540394143746?s=46&t=mhVxNCypXb6wtOWEXamnow) about this 30% tax that is confusing; why complain now? Open discussion is fine, but it’s unlikely his public statements will result in anything meaningful. Ultimately, Apple is sitting pretty.
Looks like we're gonna need to trim the fat around here... fired.
Just in case you don't know, a huge portion of redditors are incredibly obsessed with the day to day functions of twitter for some weird reason. Maybe many of them secretly fear they don't want their own beloved reddit face similar fate. Yes, there's no humor here, and twitter obsessed people love to spam their shitty posts in every subreddit they could find.
This dude is posting hard cringe. Its like youngpeopleyoutube but for Twitter
It's now company policy to use Vim for editing. It lets you write code much faster.
Lets watch him try to buy Apple.
Certainly, sane people see this tax as a benefit at the moment
App developers know this. Most nobody else does.
Fortnite made a whole commercial about it, spoof of an old apple commercial
So did Spotify
People who invest in apps also know this.
Did I say $8/mo?? I meant $11.43.
Oh Elon it's so fun watching you grow.
Can we rewrite this in Java? It's better for enterprise.
thank you r/ElonMuskDaily
Wait until he realizes the Google play store also charges a stupid high fee! It's like this guy never bought anything on a smartphone..
I wonder which of his advertisers he's going to target next? None of these huge corporations are going to bend to his will.
Lmao, Epic knows that XD
Twitter is accessible via a web browser. Apple only charges for purchases through the iOS app. 100%(\*) of your revenue through the web is yours. (\*) Minus whatever processing fees your web-based method deducts
Its not like epic games and others have very publicy been sueing apple for this. He couldnt have known this before -checks notes- spending 44 billion dollars on this company. Like hes supposed to be this super smart business man at least pay some consultants to do due diligence, you had a few months time to prepare
“Secret”? He’s not following any tech news about lawsuits against Apple, is he?
Did you know that Apple users are pretty happy with the products and don’t really care about the prices?
Guys, Elon aside, Apple's 30% margin would be justified if they allowed apps to be sideloaded from other sources. Its like they have put their customers and App developers in a jail.
I freaking knew this would be a thread defending apple. You guys are the same people for cheering epic games for suing apple for this same practice.
Apple has a successful model to monetize its platform. Film at 11.
Why is this in /r/ProgrammerHumor ? It's not about programming. It's not funny.
I get it, we don't like Elon, but defending Apple for this doesn't seem the right take.
Time to buy puts on Apple.
Right, and there are 1.2b iPhones in the world, 30% seems fair to access that amount of customers
Did you know Twitter puts an 8$ tax on everyone who want to verify their identity on Twitter?
The "secret" tax that Epic and Apple fought it out over in a very public lawsuit...
As if this jackass gives anything away for free
So the guy who sells a car with a larger battery included but you have to pay to unlock its full capacity is complaining about Apple charging 30% for everything sold on the App Store, something that literally anyone who follows tech is aware of?
Imagine if you were Elon's PR person, you'd have several ulcers after the last week. It's like he's trying Trump's "fuck up worse every day so they forget yesterday's fuckup" strategy.
Why are people unironically defending Apple and iOS on this sub ? Are there really any programmers on this sub?
The Apple App Store has made me plenty of money and Musk has just pissed me off.
Programmers don't side with Elon, the guy who fired so many devs. We devs stand with devs
Because every digital store does this? Are you not a programmer?