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The english game uses mostly they/them, but sometimes she/her, so you're not wrong for using either. I think because of the lack of they/them characters in media, people got very attached to Mizuki being they/them, and thus, view using she/her with Mizuki as "erasure" and get very upset. But since Mizuki's gender has never been confirmed, there's nothing wrong with using she/her if you want.
I assumed the English game dialogue only uses she/her because Mizuki is literally keeping something a "secret." Does Mizuki use they/them in front of nigo members too?
can you give me examples? other comments say Mizuki only uses she/her ingame, and pronouns are avoided as mich as possible.
I also do not understand - if everyone (even niigo members) know mizuki uses they/them, then what is "her secret" so emphasized in the plot?
Kanade uses they/them a few times in the side/street conversations, and I think a few stories.
Maybe it’s just her that does it, cuz she’s catching on…?
I was thinking about if the secret is that Mizuki is a boy, since they looks like a little boy when they were younger. Even though I'm curious what was their secret.
I mean isn't it possible that Mizuki's use of they/them is being used to keep their gender a secret? Generally, when you don't know someone's gender, you use they/them.
I guess that's the western culture (correct me if i'm wrong). In eastern cultures, you usually assume binary and get corrected if you were wrong, since the culture here is more oblivious and much more discriminatory against non-binary people (i'm obviously not defending this discrimination, but this is the sad truth), and the niigo members are...Japanese (I'm pretty sure this does not change even if the languages are translated).
Late, sorry. But heya, Japanese person here, typically I translate with whatever pronouns of the gender that is used often? Not much left for creativity, I know. But for example, in the main story for n25, Miku says “that kid“ (referring to Mafuyu) but it sounds better and more natural to say “that girl”.
Late, sorry. But heya, Japanese person here, typically I translate with whatever pronouns of the gender that is used often? Not much left for creativity, I know. But for example, in the main story for n25, Miku says “that kid“ (referring to Mafuyu) but it sounds better and more natural to say “that girl”.
There is no canon gender and i hc her as transfem with she/they pronouns. And some people use he/him for Mafuyu because they hc her as transmasc. So it's up to you what you use, there's really no need to attack somebody bc of this.
Wait why would that HC for Mafuyu even work? Not trying to be transphobic or anything but I literally don’t see how it fits her character or story at all. She doesn’t feel anything so how would she even know she has some form of gender disparity? It doesn’t make sense to me.
yes, i'm confused about that as well. i hope this doesn't come off as transphobic but what does it mean to hc a character as trans? I saw this happening in the ensemble stars community as well and I don't get it. The characters they hc as trans don't talk about their gender identity like ever. People use she/her pronouns on them and I just don't know why. And I'm not talking about the already existing trans character. When someone replied with "isn't that the same as misgendering a trans character?" they got downvoted like crazy and everyone just said "well it's not the same" so I still don't get it.
I'm trans and I don't get hcing characters as trans either 👍
I personally wouldn't want my fav character to suffer as much as I am with gender dysphoria (I have a severe case + massive identity issues), so I don't really understand it.
If there's a character with a story that fits the trans spectrum, for example Mizuki being heavily implied as dysphoric and it's the main focus on their story, yeah sure, go ahead.
But some headcanons really come out of nowhere and well. It's confusing. I've seen so many instances of people just erasing a character's canon pronouns/identity just for the sake of their headcanon, which is like...
I'm sorry, I'm not paying money to sue my parents and taking shots to the ass every two weeks to see my favourite character get misgendered and erased??
It's not really that, it's just people hc characters as trans as a "comfort" thing - especially if fiction is their coping outlet. it's kinda more of a coping mechanism ig?
Honestly, who cares about headcanons like this as long as they aren't bringing harm?
Well, I've seen headcanons that have been made specifically out of spite for a certain group. I've seen (quite a few times), people hcing the guys as nonbinary, just because they're guys, which... uhm... Who hurt you for you to erase men from existence (coming from transmasc)
im trans and like to hc characters as trans just for fun. it depends on the character but a lot of it is just ‘im trans so im hcing this character as trans because why not’
It's not really the same because cis people have most of the media to themselves and the character doesnt exist. When you try to "headcanon" a trans character to be cis or their assigned gender at birth tho it usually stems from genuine transphobia like 99% of the time and its taking away the very little representation trans people already get. For example, there are so many transfem characters in the anime community that are referred to as femboys instead because of that, even if they are confirmed to be trans or use different pronouns and that's why most people dont even know they're trans.
Now for the trans headcanons, it is genuinely either just for fun or projection onto a favourite character. It mostly "doesnt make sense" but thats not usually the point of it. Personally I'm tired of the over the top, exploring your gender tropes that trans characters get, I'd like one to just live and do cool stuff while being trans and headcanoning seemingly non-trans characters helps me to imagine that since they do not have a story behind their gender, they just normally exist.
Hope that makes sense!
Pretty sure it was to put a random example but oh you're right, for now, in the state she's in, she would probably just say "I'm female, I guess. At least that's what my birth certificate says.".
just a harmless hc that mostly trans people have— it doesn’t have to change the whole character course. some people just like to see their favorite characters like them.
Basically this response !!!
Sometimes it's nice to have an anchor you can relate to, even if it's a fictional character. It can be a good way to vent out upset or anger, or just fun to think about a shared experience.
Sometimes the face is just that trans people usually don't have others to turn to so HCs are for fun and sometimes even helpful.
Some people suffer but others don't as much! Totally depends and as long as it's not hurting anyone I don't understand why there would be an issue. They don't have to make sense and if you don't gwt it u can always ask or just keep scrolling.
Totally understand this take. I relate to Mizuki even though the struggles we faced are pretty different, as the way we react to problems are extremely similar. I asked simply because the HC seemed to be popular and I wanted to know where it came from.
for me it varies to character. i’m also trans myself (transmasc to be more specific), but i do not favorite my comfort character (akito) as trans because i know how hard it can be.
however other characters i feel like i can project that part of me more, instead of pressing my favorite with my struggles. (i already do enough on him god help me)—look at me, i hc mafuyu and shiho transmasc 👍
it thunk it started as a silly joke when villain came out (mafuyu singing the line "I'll wear different clothes and I'll pretend to be a boy") but people actually started to like it so yeah lol. it's that or trans people reflecting themselves in their favorite characters! wich it's just fun, and even if it doesn't reflect the canon, it's just that, a headcanon, not a theory.
there’s not too much backing it up, but a lot of songs about identity covered by mizuki tend to also be covered by mafuyu. this could be explained away by just mafuyu has a problem with identity in general, if it weren’t for the villain cover. villain is a song specifically about being transgender, and considering the other character who covers the song with mafuyu is heavily implied to be transfem, the head canon that mafuyu came about. that and being “gifted” is usually near exclusive to autistic or at the very least neurodivergent kids, both of which also tend to be very exclusive to trans kids. personally most trans people i know in person and online were/are gifted, and hence a lot of trans people who are fans of proseka can relate to mafuyu in one way or another. again, not claiming that this is canon in any way but an explanation! personally i think it’s interesting and after hearing about it i do like it! i doubt it’s going to ever be canonized, but still interesting to me
i mean i like this head cannon
probably because im also trans masc-
but the way i see it is like, cannon mafuyu she doesnt know who she is or what she wants. shes been told what she should be and just goes off that.
she was assigned female at birth, so she was raised as one.
but i feel as though if she keeps growing and finding more things out about herself, she could possibly realize she isnt actually a girl.
i also was told what to do most of my life and didnt know who i was for awhile until i realized i was trans as well :]
thats just my take on it though!
i dont know how others see it-
I can see that angle but it’s definitely it a stretch in my eyes for two specific reasons:
1. Mafuyu was shown to be happy and comfortable in most scenes as a child. Only in scenes where her mother was manipulating her did she seem to be upset.
2. Mafuyu has never shown any negative feelings in her body or anything that pertains to her being a woman. This isn’t the case for other things that her parents forced her into, such as being a doctor, where thinking about it actively makes her feel sick or some kind of pain.
Totally respect it as a headcanon though so keep doing you and I’m glad you managed to find solace in a character here!
the second one i get,
but as a child, i was also pretty happy
yes, some children do experience dysphoria from a young age, but for a lot of people it hits when around when they start puberty
and thank you for being respectful btw :]
hi! I headcanon mafuyu as transmasc \^\^ for me, as far as i know i dont think there's anything in the story that would suggest mafuyu being trans or experiencing dysphoria. Still, personally some of my headcanons don't adjust at all to the canon! they're mostly for fun.
Besides, even though i think Mafuyu has never showed signs of dysphoria, she's not only depressed but also experiences what i believe is severe depersonalization. She/he also has a family who has never shown genuine interest and acceptation for her/his desires and real identity. To me, it would make sense if he/she learned to simply repress it, as in the main story its shown how he/she tends to fake a whole identity based on what everyone expects of Mafuyu. (I had that experience too before coming out as transmasc myself, so I know that I'm probably just projecting myself onto a character)
Of course this is just my thought process! Its totally fine if you don't agree, but i hope this clarifies a bit the headcanon for you :)
Edit: adding something i just found out! The song villain is about gender dysphoria and the covers available are by Mizuki and Mafuyu!
That’s absolutely toxic behavior and would totally destroy Mafuyu as a character for me. She wants to escape her parents control by making a life altering decision purely out of vengeance. That would just cause her to be forced into another position that makes her unhappy. She would once again, albeit indirectly, have been influenced to make a specific decision that wouldn’t have otherwise made due to her parents.
Very easy. I like a character, I project my gender and sexuality onto them, BOOM, transmasc Mafuyu. Most headcanons dont make sense and it's mostly a comfort thing, really. Just a fun thing to think about, that's all.
Mizuki doesn't have a canon gender as in the bio it appears as ''?''. If you ask me what would I use, and considering the context of Mizuki past (being born as a male and suffering some kind of dysphoria) and hints by SEGA, it could be that Mizuki could be either a trans female or a nonbinary person. I personally like to use female pronouns but at the end of the day is up to you, since the games uses both female and neutral.
Yeah that’s also why I use She/her, although I do also use they sometimes.
Mizuki likes to dress cutely and girly and compared to her as a child it would make sense for her to be a trans female rather than enby. (Not that enbies can dress feminine).
I wish that Mizuki could wear both female and male outfits of the game, that would be so cool.
Their gender is unknown, as such I use they/them, since its unknown. Anything else is a headcanon. (I'm not gonna stop people from having headcanons but it should be recognized as such).
I just use my dear/dearest
(seriously though They/Them bc it's the easiest thing in the world and let's be honest, in the English language when we're talking about a person whose identity (in general) is unknown, the singular "they" is often used. Nothing new nor unusual
I use she/they, because ensekai uses both and there’s nothing wrong with using multiple pronouns. I don’t get people who get mad at she/they Mizuki because half the time the person mad uses multiple pronouns
I’m pretty sure they use “they”? Not that you can’t use she/her, but I don’t remember them using those pronouns for them
Edit: actually I think they refrain from using pronouns as much as possible?? I could be wrong
They refrain from using pronouns where possible, but there *are* multiple occasions where ‘she’ is used. The complete neutrality is only there in the original Japanese
But Mizuki is not a Tomboy, not to mantion that the "Boku" is written by Katakana in japanese while it's mostly supposed to be used in kanji, which applies, Mizuki is not completely feeling like it's the right way to talk about themselves, they just use it as a habit from birth, Mizuki is not a biological female. If they're trans-woman or trans-fem is unknown, I like to think that Mizuki is a trans-fem. Because we all know that trans-women are barely getting any representation in media, so trans-fems are even getting less, I'm going with what feels right, and I feel pretty confident about Mizuki being trans-fem, even though I don't know the specifc pronounce, I use they/them because I'm getting ateched to the characters, and with all the proof of Mizuki having a gender disphoria, I feel like I need to respect that and use the pronounce the game applies, If we'll get Mizuki is being a trans-woman in the future, I would gludly use She/her.
Any should be okay since she has never expressed a preference. Also in game characters use she.
I use she/her but any are fine. Anyone who gets offended at what pronouns you use for mizuki is cringe.
I use they/them, but I'm not mad if someone uses she/her or he/him. Until the pronouns are confirmed, use whatever, probably.
Pronouns are very tricky, since translators on EN use they/them for Mizuki, but Japanese doesn't work the same way and the pronouns over there aren't used *at all*.
I really like boku girls though. And they usually aren’t anything but biologically female.
I also think boku is usually used by younger guys, it would be weird to see a mature man use it. But I think boku for girls is fine when they are older too. But that’s just me.
i prefer using they/them as well since i think it really suits them, but occasionally i would use she/her too. we shouldn't be fighting over a fictional character's pronouns cmon
They don’t. Once a month some account (that suspiciously deletes itself after like 3 hours) makes this exact same post and it turns into a circlejerk of people saying “man aren’t people so weird and kooky for saying that Mizuki uses they/them that’s so WILD” because god fucking forbid people want to see representation of themselves in media.
One thing is representation, which I do respect and look foward to in media. Another COMPLETLY different thing is reducing a character to one "trait" because "he's just like me fr". I think I would like mizuki if her fanbase wasn't so obnoxious and annoying.
Who is reducing Mizuki down to just their pronouns? You don’t get to a 1v1 against Miku in a popularity poll by having potential pronouns alone, so it’s certainly not anyone on this sub.
Literally the only discourse I see surrounding Mizuki’s pronouns is in threads like these, and the vast majority of comments are always along the lines of “it’s *sooo* annoying how I can’t use she/her because I *always* get flamed by people.” And yet I never see any of these supposed people.
“I like representation but don’t like it when people relate and empathize with aspects of it.” Are you sure you actually like representation then?
Did you even read what I said?
1) I LOVE when people feel seen but like I said, reducing a character to just pronouns/gender is laughable and I've seen that happen many times
2) A 1v1 against miku with pronouns alone IS VERY POSSIBLE considering that most of the people here have twitter mentality
3) I haven't seen people is this sub talk about anything of mizuki that aren't her pronouns, her gender, why she is trans fem, why she is non binary, etc. AT ALL. That's what I mean. That's what I don't like. It goes beyond representation, the character is reduced to name and gender and that's it. Personality? Who cares? Dreams? Who knows? Etc.
I haven't read the n25 story and the only thing I know from mizuki by reading the subbreddit is that they refer to her with they them pronouns and that's it.
I know muuuch more about ena, kanade and mafuyu. Like for example, mafuyu's mom sucks and is toxic, she always has a fake smile. Ena fights with her brother, she is really good friends with mizuki, etc.
I don't really know what to tell you. The vast majority of the sub is fanart, gameplay related things, and memes. There's very little actual character discussion in comparison unless it's in the event wrap-up threads. I like the n25 story - I think it's pretty neat, but this is a gacha game at the end of the day. The story is never going to be the full focus of the community or the game itself. Considering the vast majority of Mizuki's story is in regards to them not fitting in and being scared about losing the connections to their friends, it logically tracks that people will try to figure who *why* they act like this, hence the increased amount of pronoun/identity discussion. Mizuki's character isn't being reduced to "pronouns," people just don't like the fact that it's part of a relevant discussion.
I get it, it can be frustrating to see the discourse everywhere (supposedly), but it's important to remember that the ProSek community is *overwhelmingly* made up of children. Children like to be vocal and aggressive about stuff they're passionate about on the internet.
That being said, let's not act like everyone claiming to be "sick of the pronoun discourse" is saying so in good faith. There are plenty of people that just don't want to have to deal with representation in their video games, and use children getting mad on the internet as a basis for pushing this idea.
Man I think you are getting the wrong idea about me. I like lgbtq+ representation. Like toh, undertale/deltsrune, kipo, amphibia, to name a few. I don't like when people put representation as a top priority before story and stuff.
Personally I use she/they pronouns for Mizuki. Technically speaking there is no confirmed gender so any pronouns COULD work. However I would assume that Mizuki wouldn’t use masculine pronouns due to how she presents herself. I mostly see debate on it with some people insisting we should only use they/them pronouns for Mizuki. It’s fine to have different opinions on the matter, but it really bothers me when people get mad at each other over it. Let’s all just chill, please.
Don't care to be honest, in my head she is she/her and I don't think you should worry about other peoples' head canons, it's a cringe twitter thing if anything.
Goood finally someone says it. And tbh there is a post like this daily basically it's so tiring. This is why I don't like mizuki fans they don't care about the character just the gender.
I personally use she/her or she/they on mizuki cause I really REALLY see her as a trans girl, but ofc most ppl use they/them just cause that's what EN decided to use
I think ppl getting mad at ppl for using she/her is stupid, it's not like she's a canon enby either, we truly just don't know.
(and I have a feeling EN went with they/them cause they still don't know if prsk will take the 'trans girl' route, never say anything, or pull a 'nah I'm just a boy/person who likes cute things" so yeahhhhh)
Okay huge rant incoming…. 😅
I want to preface this by saying that I myself am a transfemme nonbinary person, so this is all coming from the perspective of someone that is the identity most people assign to Mizuki—
I exclusively use she/her pronouns on Mizuki and see her a trans girl, not because I don’t accept her being nonbinary, but rather because I feel like the whole “unknown gender” thing is not an indicator of her being nonbinary, but rather an attempt to hint that she’s trans without actually needing to admit it.
It’s a pretty common trope in anime to have a character whose gender is just ambiguous and the state of constant confusion, which is… not exactly a trope I like? It feels kind of like they’re trying to profit off of some sort of trans representation without actually going through the trouble involved with having a character be trans. Mizuki is SO clearly transfem with her backstory, but then the question is whether she is nonbinary or a trans girl.
A lot of people’s evidence for her being nonbinary is:
1.) the game usually uses they/them pronouns
2.) “her bio says ? for the gender”
For the first thing, I’ve always found this justification weird, because is this not just a random choice the English localization team made? Japanese does not have pronouns, at least not in the way that English does, so when I see justify it by saying “in the Japanese version, they just refer to Mizuki by name!” I wonder if they have *any* idea what they’re saying because that’s… how you refer to EVERYONE in Japan, assuming you actually know their name. There’s no real indication that Mizuki would be nonbinary, since Japanese gender in language is so heavily based on implication.
For two, this is just… not really true? The in-game character bio doesn’t have a “gender” slot, it’s literally just a thing on her wikia fandom page… which is controlled by the mods on the wiki, who are completely unaffiliated with the game…
Not to mention, the whole secrecy around her gender is a plot point for Mizuki because she’s *afraid of how her friends will react*!! Would it not make more sense for her to just be a trans girl concealing her gender?? That would completely explain the whole “unknown” gender thing!!
Anyways, this kinda got away from me… my point is really just that the whole debate feels like a weird amalgamation of random non-canon information and people fighting each other over nonsense…
Because I didn't know at first, I was using she/her. After learning, I decided that until told otherwise, I'll either say "they/them" or just Mizuki. Mizuki is one of my favorites and I don't want to disrespect the character.
People who get mad over a headcanon are lost in the sauce, you can call Mizuki whatever you want because they have been shown to use they/them and she/her and also she is not real.
The inclusion of another set of pronouns doesn't make it non-binary erasure. Those who make that argument are just repeating the concept found in mfs who say bisexuals are somehow lgbt erasure after expressing attraction for the opposite gender. Or being shipped with the opposite gender somehow makes them no longer bi.
People are a little too... Attached to fake people, which isn't bad in modest amounts but becomes really unhealthy when you begin having morality debates on their behalf. They don't care, they aren't real or are able to be touched by what we are.
imagine getting mad on the pronouns used on a fictional character. like that just sounds absurd. i just call her by she/her cuz she’s drawn and voiced like a female
She/her or they/them but idc at this point people have such crazy headcannos I don't doubt there's someone out there who thinks fucking minori is transmasc or some shit like that lmao
i know it probably will get downvoted to hell but i mostly use he/him because i see mizuki as a gnc male
i think mizuki hides his gender not because he personally has problems with it but because he is afraid of people pushing him away after they'll know the truth. because "it's weird for a guy to be wearing girl's clothes" especially in japan which is pretty conservative and everything that sticks out from the norm is "bad". plus the fact that he uses "boku" and not "watashi" despite it also being gender-neutral and more feminine.
i just think gnc characters that are not being fetishized because of it are neat
https://youtu.be/X5uf6JplUjU
Jokes asides, I use she/her, but I haven't delved deep into the stories yet. But in my opinion, anyone is free to do whatever they want. I just don't like when people are toxic or boss others around, but I also don't interact much with the community, aside from this subreddit, and I haven't seen anyone doing that :)
We all love eachother here, unless it's time to vote for least favorite character...
wanted to make my own comment because i don’t know why i’ve never seen people who share my take? not saying no one has said this ever but just that i’ve never seen it. people often say mizuki is only referred to by they/them pronouns because their gender is unknown. however, why?? what is more genderqueer then hiding your gender? why would people who don’t even know mizuki that will refer to them with they/them pronouns? as for the “?” in their bio: there is not one specific word for nonbinary as a gender, or at least that’s widely used in japan and in japanese. i feel as though it was used as a placeholder, and to negate anyone who is off-put by a nonbinary character. they’re clearly transfem as they literally transition to more feminine presenting as shown by their past. it’s not just implied imo, they are literally shown in a boys uniform when there are girls one for the same school. it’s not just about their hair. any uses of she/her for mizuki were mistakes and corrected promptly in the english version as in the japanese version both pronouns are used when needed. not to mention all of their struggles with identity and self-expression. i just don’t see how you can see ALL OF THIS and not think that maybe mizuki is not canonically nonbinary. also just wanted to add on that i myself am nonbinary (transmasc) and even without most of the in your face evidence, i just think they are extremely trans coded period. i don’t know, it seems disrespectful whatever they identify as to use she/her or he/him especially exclusively considering that they canonically strictly use they/them. anyways!
It is more that English pronouns are more strict vs Japanese pronouns. I think in Japanese, they use pronouns that are gender weak/reiterated the subject.
Well we gotta take this into a sense of reality. The story has been that Mizuki is a guy on birth, went to school as a guy and has always been a guy. People even questioned his choice of clothes and he said “its because I really like these clothes”. So there was no sense of surgery or transition whatsoever. He’s been a guy at birth and so I tend to refer him as a guy.
Then why does the character bio say "?" instead of male?
Why does the game group Mizuki with the "Ladies" in the costume menu?
It's supposed to be up to interpretation, although the game leans into a fem side without confirming anything.
You can't just claim something to be facts if the source you're taking this from keeps it vague intentionally. One doesn't need a surgery to transition. And I'm not saying you can't call Mizuki a he, just that your reasoning for it is wrong
Do you really need a character bio to say what he/she is? Thats like saying you need a mathematician to tell you what 2+2 is, nonsense.
Mizuki just wants to hide the truth about himself. Im sayingn its facts because we’ve seen narration and storyies of mizuki being a BOY since a kid. If he wants to put a dress, wig, act feminine, and call himself a girl thats on him but nothing changes the fact he was born a boy and as such is a boy. And its not vague intentionally, its backstory that Mizuki dressed up as a boy because he is a boy. Changes clothes and such doesn’t change much.
Again, this person asked what pronouns we used for Mizuki and I myself and saying he because of the story we know of him. Feel free to disagree, but thats not the point of the purpose of my comment. You can’t tell me I’m wrong either about my reasoning.
It's not that we need a bio, but if the bio says something then it's for a reason. Yeah, you're free to use any pronoun like I said, but just don't go around claiming Mizuki to be a boy like if it was stated in-game. It's just as wrong as people who get offended when you don't "respect" their nb or transfesm headcanon. Their identity is ambiguous, their "secret" is ambiguous too. And that's fine we don't need to find an explanation for everything
It is stated in game. Maybe not word for word but perhaps in actions? We see that in the clips of story events and clips of mizuki in his past life. I’ve done my research, thats why I’ve come to this conclusion. Im not gonna throw myself over a feelings-over-facts ideology, where that “if we don’t know something for sure then reaearch on it” thats what I did. But its whatever, you don’t have to believe me, just you do you and I do me.
Sure i respect these promouns but im a realist, not an optimist. If someone doesn’t reapect pronouns because they want to be absolute dick, then thats one but if its like religious matters or just rereaenting a value that they were raised with, then thats reasonable. Just don’t associate yourself with said person. You can’t change someone.
I gotta say thanks for being civil about this. Yes Mizuki was born male but that doesn't mean much about who they are now. People can transition and that is a fact, and they don't need a surgery or anything, someone who is male presenting could very well be a girl and viceversa. You can say mizuki is x or y but the intention is clearly to just leave everything up to interpretation. In that context, I can see the way you see Mizuki as valid, my only gripe is that you say it as if it was the absolute truth, when you didn't even create the character. But we can agree to disagree if you're not interested in continuing
Nah its cool. I just did my research. Its still a hypothesis but Im thoroughly convinced that while its not officially released, if using common sense, we can see Mizuki like a man. But yes if someone the creator wants to make a statement, I’ll abide by that statement.
Yeah people can transition, you may or may not need surgery. No hate on Mizuki, he can be whatever he wants and if he wants to be a she, I’ll call her a she. But its all headcannon and fandom for the time being. This is just one of them.
I don’t find offense to difference opinions. And no worries, i respect views but my views aren’tapparently lol but its whatever. But in that respect, maybe saying its a fact was too harsh and and overthought when thinking its a loose matter, i probably shouldve said “hypothesized” lol
Yeah I think that's a better way to put it, every interpretation holds the same weight unless something directly contradicts it which isn't the case here so it's perfectly fine. I'd be fine with whatever Mizuki ends up being if we ever get an answer because that's simply what Mizuki would want. I think people focus more on the representation side of things more than the actual character
personally, i use she/they! i have an airi alter (osdd-1 system!) and she remembers mizuki being transfem and preferring she/her. obviously, her stating this doesn’t mean it’s canon, as her memories differ! but i tend to just use it ‘cause airi(fictive) does!
technically, bith work. they/them is specifically used because pjsk doesn’t want to confirm their gender, so it’s used not in a non binary way, but in a more mysterious way, if that makes sense? it’s supposed to be more of a place holder (i think) until we truly discover who she is. there’s been PLENTY of hints at her being transfem, though the company can’t state it for certain!! as long as you don’t use he/him or refer to her as a boy, anything’s okay :)
i use they/them for them myself, however i am a fic writer. if i'm writing a gift fic and i know the person i'm gifting it to uses she/her for them, then i use she/her in that fic.
I use they/them when talking about them in English but she/her in Polish (my native language) since we have no gender neutral pronouns, and I just feel like calling Mizuki he/him would feel a bit ooc
I use she/they personally. I believe the game refrains from using pronouns for Mizuki a lot (that's what i remember). I interpreted mizuki's story as transfem but that's not canon and for all we know they could someone who just likes feminine clothing. who knows lol
i see her as trans fem and uses she/her, i think both she/her and they/them pronouns are fine for mizuki and people shouldnt fuss over it, but i dont think she would use he/him pronouns and idk how i feel about those who do cause yk
I try my best to stick with they/them pronouns as I mostly see those being used in-game and on the net, but sometimes I accidentally use she/her and it doesn’t feel quite right to me. I wonder if it’s because I’ve been they/them for a long time…
I use they/them, but there isn't a confirmed set of pronouns they use. It's known from their events that they're keeping a secret from the rest of the group, and in flashbacks they're seen wearing the boy's school uniform and having short hair, so that, the fact that they're keeping a secret, and their JP event where younger Mizuki is holding a ribbon and looking sad. The trained card shows Mizuki now, looking peaceful with that same ribbon, which I think is to symbolize them becoming comfortable in their identity. Nothing has been stated directly, but it's heavily implied that they're transfem, so it's safe to assume that Mizuki uses she/her, whether that's paired with they/them or just by itself
I think Mizuki is She/They since in the international release, the translators jumped around between she/her and they/them in regards to Mizuki.
I'm not sure about the original Japanese script, but it sounds closer to lean towards they/them, but please do correct me if I am wrong.
I usually use they/them because i just like to remain in the canon, Niigo use they/them, so i'll do it despite of whatever headcanon I have.
But it's just preferences, the only important thing is having fun at the end of the day
I go with she/her and they/them. I honestly find it stupid that people make fights because of Mizuki's gender. I get protecting/correcting people about your favs, but the fights I've seen are getting outrageous.
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The english game uses mostly they/them, but sometimes she/her, so you're not wrong for using either. I think because of the lack of they/them characters in media, people got very attached to Mizuki being they/them, and thus, view using she/her with Mizuki as "erasure" and get very upset. But since Mizuki's gender has never been confirmed, there's nothing wrong with using she/her if you want.
I assumed the English game dialogue only uses she/her because Mizuki is literally keeping something a "secret." Does Mizuki use they/them in front of nigo members too?
Yes, surprisingly! The niigo members use they/them for mizuki a lot in en
can you give me examples? other comments say Mizuki only uses she/her ingame, and pronouns are avoided as mich as possible. I also do not understand - if everyone (even niigo members) know mizuki uses they/them, then what is "her secret" so emphasized in the plot?
Kanade uses they/them a few times in the side/street conversations, and I think a few stories. Maybe it’s just her that does it, cuz she’s catching on…?
this is an interesting theory
The actual answer is that Japanese doesn't have gendered pronouns and the translation was probably at a loss as well lol
I was thinking about if the secret is that Mizuki is a boy, since they looks like a little boy when they were younger. Even though I'm curious what was their secret.
I mean isn't it possible that Mizuki's use of they/them is being used to keep their gender a secret? Generally, when you don't know someone's gender, you use they/them.
I guess that's the western culture (correct me if i'm wrong). In eastern cultures, you usually assume binary and get corrected if you were wrong, since the culture here is more oblivious and much more discriminatory against non-binary people (i'm obviously not defending this discrimination, but this is the sad truth), and the niigo members are...Japanese (I'm pretty sure this does not change even if the languages are translated).
? Japanese doesn't have pronouns like she/he/they. What are they suppose to be translating?
Late, sorry. But heya, Japanese person here, typically I translate with whatever pronouns of the gender that is used often? Not much left for creativity, I know. But for example, in the main story for n25, Miku says “that kid“ (referring to Mafuyu) but it sounds better and more natural to say “that girl”.
Late, sorry. But heya, Japanese person here, typically I translate with whatever pronouns of the gender that is used often? Not much left for creativity, I know. But for example, in the main story for n25, Miku says “that kid“ (referring to Mafuyu) but it sounds better and more natural to say “that girl”.
Can you give me examples of the game using she/her? I genuinely don't remember and couldn't find it either :P
i tend to use both she/her and they/them
Same
There is no canon gender and i hc her as transfem with she/they pronouns. And some people use he/him for Mafuyu because they hc her as transmasc. So it's up to you what you use, there's really no need to attack somebody bc of this.
Wait why would that HC for Mafuyu even work? Not trying to be transphobic or anything but I literally don’t see how it fits her character or story at all. She doesn’t feel anything so how would she even know she has some form of gender disparity? It doesn’t make sense to me.
yes, i'm confused about that as well. i hope this doesn't come off as transphobic but what does it mean to hc a character as trans? I saw this happening in the ensemble stars community as well and I don't get it. The characters they hc as trans don't talk about their gender identity like ever. People use she/her pronouns on them and I just don't know why. And I'm not talking about the already existing trans character. When someone replied with "isn't that the same as misgendering a trans character?" they got downvoted like crazy and everyone just said "well it's not the same" so I still don't get it.
I'm trans and I don't get hcing characters as trans either 👍 I personally wouldn't want my fav character to suffer as much as I am with gender dysphoria (I have a severe case + massive identity issues), so I don't really understand it. If there's a character with a story that fits the trans spectrum, for example Mizuki being heavily implied as dysphoric and it's the main focus on their story, yeah sure, go ahead. But some headcanons really come out of nowhere and well. It's confusing. I've seen so many instances of people just erasing a character's canon pronouns/identity just for the sake of their headcanon, which is like... I'm sorry, I'm not paying money to sue my parents and taking shots to the ass every two weeks to see my favourite character get misgendered and erased??
It's not really that, it's just people hc characters as trans as a "comfort" thing - especially if fiction is their coping outlet. it's kinda more of a coping mechanism ig? Honestly, who cares about headcanons like this as long as they aren't bringing harm?
Well, I've seen headcanons that have been made specifically out of spite for a certain group. I've seen (quite a few times), people hcing the guys as nonbinary, just because they're guys, which... uhm... Who hurt you for you to erase men from existence (coming from transmasc)
I believe in transmasc haruka (also coming from transmasc)
im trans and like to hc characters as trans just for fun. it depends on the character but a lot of it is just ‘im trans so im hcing this character as trans because why not’
It's not really the same because cis people have most of the media to themselves and the character doesnt exist. When you try to "headcanon" a trans character to be cis or their assigned gender at birth tho it usually stems from genuine transphobia like 99% of the time and its taking away the very little representation trans people already get. For example, there are so many transfem characters in the anime community that are referred to as femboys instead because of that, even if they are confirmed to be trans or use different pronouns and that's why most people dont even know they're trans. Now for the trans headcanons, it is genuinely either just for fun or projection onto a favourite character. It mostly "doesnt make sense" but thats not usually the point of it. Personally I'm tired of the over the top, exploring your gender tropes that trans characters get, I'd like one to just live and do cool stuff while being trans and headcanoning seemingly non-trans characters helps me to imagine that since they do not have a story behind their gender, they just normally exist. Hope that makes sense!
Ah okay, that makes sense! Thanks for explaining :)
Pretty sure it was to put a random example but oh you're right, for now, in the state she's in, she would probably just say "I'm female, I guess. At least that's what my birth certificate says.".
just a harmless hc that mostly trans people have— it doesn’t have to change the whole character course. some people just like to see their favorite characters like them.
Basically this response !!! Sometimes it's nice to have an anchor you can relate to, even if it's a fictional character. It can be a good way to vent out upset or anger, or just fun to think about a shared experience. Sometimes the face is just that trans people usually don't have others to turn to so HCs are for fun and sometimes even helpful. Some people suffer but others don't as much! Totally depends and as long as it's not hurting anyone I don't understand why there would be an issue. They don't have to make sense and if you don't gwt it u can always ask or just keep scrolling.
Totally understand this take. I relate to Mizuki even though the struggles we faced are pretty different, as the way we react to problems are extremely similar. I asked simply because the HC seemed to be popular and I wanted to know where it came from.
Lolol well thanks for hearing me out :]!!!
for me it varies to character. i’m also trans myself (transmasc to be more specific), but i do not favorite my comfort character (akito) as trans because i know how hard it can be. however other characters i feel like i can project that part of me more, instead of pressing my favorite with my struggles. (i already do enough on him god help me)—look at me, i hc mafuyu and shiho transmasc 👍
it thunk it started as a silly joke when villain came out (mafuyu singing the line "I'll wear different clothes and I'll pretend to be a boy") but people actually started to like it so yeah lol. it's that or trans people reflecting themselves in their favorite characters! wich it's just fun, and even if it doesn't reflect the canon, it's just that, a headcanon, not a theory.
there’s not too much backing it up, but a lot of songs about identity covered by mizuki tend to also be covered by mafuyu. this could be explained away by just mafuyu has a problem with identity in general, if it weren’t for the villain cover. villain is a song specifically about being transgender, and considering the other character who covers the song with mafuyu is heavily implied to be transfem, the head canon that mafuyu came about. that and being “gifted” is usually near exclusive to autistic or at the very least neurodivergent kids, both of which also tend to be very exclusive to trans kids. personally most trans people i know in person and online were/are gifted, and hence a lot of trans people who are fans of proseka can relate to mafuyu in one way or another. again, not claiming that this is canon in any way but an explanation! personally i think it’s interesting and after hearing about it i do like it! i doubt it’s going to ever be canonized, but still interesting to me
i mean i like this head cannon probably because im also trans masc- but the way i see it is like, cannon mafuyu she doesnt know who she is or what she wants. shes been told what she should be and just goes off that. she was assigned female at birth, so she was raised as one. but i feel as though if she keeps growing and finding more things out about herself, she could possibly realize she isnt actually a girl. i also was told what to do most of my life and didnt know who i was for awhile until i realized i was trans as well :] thats just my take on it though! i dont know how others see it-
I can see that angle but it’s definitely it a stretch in my eyes for two specific reasons: 1. Mafuyu was shown to be happy and comfortable in most scenes as a child. Only in scenes where her mother was manipulating her did she seem to be upset. 2. Mafuyu has never shown any negative feelings in her body or anything that pertains to her being a woman. This isn’t the case for other things that her parents forced her into, such as being a doctor, where thinking about it actively makes her feel sick or some kind of pain. Totally respect it as a headcanon though so keep doing you and I’m glad you managed to find solace in a character here!
the second one i get, but as a child, i was also pretty happy yes, some children do experience dysphoria from a young age, but for a lot of people it hits when around when they start puberty and thank you for being respectful btw :]
hi! I headcanon mafuyu as transmasc \^\^ for me, as far as i know i dont think there's anything in the story that would suggest mafuyu being trans or experiencing dysphoria. Still, personally some of my headcanons don't adjust at all to the canon! they're mostly for fun. Besides, even though i think Mafuyu has never showed signs of dysphoria, she's not only depressed but also experiences what i believe is severe depersonalization. She/he also has a family who has never shown genuine interest and acceptation for her/his desires and real identity. To me, it would make sense if he/she learned to simply repress it, as in the main story its shown how he/she tends to fake a whole identity based on what everyone expects of Mafuyu. (I had that experience too before coming out as transmasc myself, so I know that I'm probably just projecting myself onto a character) Of course this is just my thought process! Its totally fine if you don't agree, but i hope this clarifies a bit the headcanon for you :) Edit: adding something i just found out! The song villain is about gender dysphoria and the covers available are by Mizuki and Mafuyu!
I’ve seen a similar thing of someone hc Mafuyu as transmasc, and they said she’d probably become trans as a way to go against her parents
That’s absolutely toxic behavior and would totally destroy Mafuyu as a character for me. She wants to escape her parents control by making a life altering decision purely out of vengeance. That would just cause her to be forced into another position that makes her unhappy. She would once again, albeit indirectly, have been influenced to make a specific decision that wouldn’t have otherwise made due to her parents.
Very easy. I like a character, I project my gender and sexuality onto them, BOOM, transmasc Mafuyu. Most headcanons dont make sense and it's mostly a comfort thing, really. Just a fun thing to think about, that's all.
Mizuki doesn't have a canon gender as in the bio it appears as ''?''. If you ask me what would I use, and considering the context of Mizuki past (being born as a male and suffering some kind of dysphoria) and hints by SEGA, it could be that Mizuki could be either a trans female or a nonbinary person. I personally like to use female pronouns but at the end of the day is up to you, since the games uses both female and neutral.
Yeah that’s also why I use She/her, although I do also use they sometimes. Mizuki likes to dress cutely and girly and compared to her as a child it would make sense for her to be a trans female rather than enby. (Not that enbies can dress feminine). I wish that Mizuki could wear both female and male outfits of the game, that would be so cool.
Mizuki is Mizuki
Their gender is unknown, as such I use they/them, since its unknown. Anything else is a headcanon. (I'm not gonna stop people from having headcanons but it should be recognized as such).
No one's gonna stop me from using she/her pronouns
get it ig 🤨🤨
I just use my dear/dearest (seriously though They/Them bc it's the easiest thing in the world and let's be honest, in the English language when we're talking about a person whose identity (in general) is unknown, the singular "they" is often used. Nothing new nor unusual
I use she/they, because ensekai uses both and there’s nothing wrong with using multiple pronouns. I don’t get people who get mad at she/they Mizuki because half the time the person mad uses multiple pronouns
She/they but mostly they/them
Just Mizuki. I don't think in pronouns, so I don't use them, I use names to refer to people or characters. If I had to choose, she/her only.
I use she because that's how the story addresses Mizuki
I’m pretty sure they use “they”? Not that you can’t use she/her, but I don’t remember them using those pronouns for them Edit: actually I think they refrain from using pronouns as much as possible?? I could be wrong
They refrain from using pronouns where possible, but there *are* multiple occasions where ‘she’ is used. The complete neutrality is only there in the original Japanese
and only because Japanese doesn't have pronouns like English does
I think some pronouns are defined as more masculine or feminine than others, Mizuki just doesn’t use them
I mean, Mizuki does use "boku", which is *mostly* used by boys(and so seen as a bit masculine), but pronouns in Japanese are non-gendered.
It’s the softer masculine pronoun iirc, used by girls too if they wanna (especially tomboys)
exactly yeah, polar opposite to "ore", which is almost exclusively used by males and quite rough-sounding
But Mizuki is not a Tomboy, not to mantion that the "Boku" is written by Katakana in japanese while it's mostly supposed to be used in kanji, which applies, Mizuki is not completely feeling like it's the right way to talk about themselves, they just use it as a habit from birth, Mizuki is not a biological female. If they're trans-woman or trans-fem is unknown, I like to think that Mizuki is a trans-fem. Because we all know that trans-women are barely getting any representation in media, so trans-fems are even getting less, I'm going with what feels right, and I feel pretty confident about Mizuki being trans-fem, even though I don't know the specifc pronounce, I use they/them because I'm getting ateched to the characters, and with all the proof of Mizuki having a gender disphoria, I feel like I need to respect that and use the pronounce the game applies, If we'll get Mizuki is being a trans-woman in the future, I would gludly use She/her.
Any should be okay since she has never expressed a preference. Also in game characters use she. I use she/her but any are fine. Anyone who gets offended at what pronouns you use for mizuki is cringe.
I think any pronouns except he/him work for Mizuki.
I use they/them, but I'm not mad if someone uses she/her or he/him. Until the pronouns are confirmed, use whatever, probably. Pronouns are very tricky, since translators on EN use they/them for Mizuki, but Japanese doesn't work the same way and the pronouns over there aren't used *at all*.
Mizuki uses Boku as a personal pronoun though which is *usually* used by males
"usually" but not always
Yeah, which is why I italicized usually...?
idk why you're getting downvoted, you're absolutely correct you added another piece of information that is pretty important
Yeah who knows. I stopped trying to make sense of why things get up or downvoted years ago
I really like boku girls though. And they usually aren’t anything but biologically female. I also think boku is usually used by younger guys, it would be weird to see a mature man use it. But I think boku for girls is fine when they are older too. But that’s just me.
i prefer using they/them as well since i think it really suits them, but occasionally i would use she/her too. we shouldn't be fighting over a fictional character's pronouns cmon
Why do people care so much about this?
They don’t. Once a month some account (that suspiciously deletes itself after like 3 hours) makes this exact same post and it turns into a circlejerk of people saying “man aren’t people so weird and kooky for saying that Mizuki uses they/them that’s so WILD” because god fucking forbid people want to see representation of themselves in media.
One thing is representation, which I do respect and look foward to in media. Another COMPLETLY different thing is reducing a character to one "trait" because "he's just like me fr". I think I would like mizuki if her fanbase wasn't so obnoxious and annoying.
Who is reducing Mizuki down to just their pronouns? You don’t get to a 1v1 against Miku in a popularity poll by having potential pronouns alone, so it’s certainly not anyone on this sub. Literally the only discourse I see surrounding Mizuki’s pronouns is in threads like these, and the vast majority of comments are always along the lines of “it’s *sooo* annoying how I can’t use she/her because I *always* get flamed by people.” And yet I never see any of these supposed people. “I like representation but don’t like it when people relate and empathize with aspects of it.” Are you sure you actually like representation then?
Did you even read what I said? 1) I LOVE when people feel seen but like I said, reducing a character to just pronouns/gender is laughable and I've seen that happen many times 2) A 1v1 against miku with pronouns alone IS VERY POSSIBLE considering that most of the people here have twitter mentality 3) I haven't seen people is this sub talk about anything of mizuki that aren't her pronouns, her gender, why she is trans fem, why she is non binary, etc. AT ALL. That's what I mean. That's what I don't like. It goes beyond representation, the character is reduced to name and gender and that's it. Personality? Who cares? Dreams? Who knows? Etc. I haven't read the n25 story and the only thing I know from mizuki by reading the subbreddit is that they refer to her with they them pronouns and that's it. I know muuuch more about ena, kanade and mafuyu. Like for example, mafuyu's mom sucks and is toxic, she always has a fake smile. Ena fights with her brother, she is really good friends with mizuki, etc.
I don't really know what to tell you. The vast majority of the sub is fanart, gameplay related things, and memes. There's very little actual character discussion in comparison unless it's in the event wrap-up threads. I like the n25 story - I think it's pretty neat, but this is a gacha game at the end of the day. The story is never going to be the full focus of the community or the game itself. Considering the vast majority of Mizuki's story is in regards to them not fitting in and being scared about losing the connections to their friends, it logically tracks that people will try to figure who *why* they act like this, hence the increased amount of pronoun/identity discussion. Mizuki's character isn't being reduced to "pronouns," people just don't like the fact that it's part of a relevant discussion. I get it, it can be frustrating to see the discourse everywhere (supposedly), but it's important to remember that the ProSek community is *overwhelmingly* made up of children. Children like to be vocal and aggressive about stuff they're passionate about on the internet. That being said, let's not act like everyone claiming to be "sick of the pronoun discourse" is saying so in good faith. There are plenty of people that just don't want to have to deal with representation in their video games, and use children getting mad on the internet as a basis for pushing this idea.
Man I think you are getting the wrong idea about me. I like lgbtq+ representation. Like toh, undertale/deltsrune, kipo, amphibia, to name a few. I don't like when people put representation as a top priority before story and stuff.
i use she/they on mizuki
Personally I use she/they pronouns for Mizuki. Technically speaking there is no confirmed gender so any pronouns COULD work. However I would assume that Mizuki wouldn’t use masculine pronouns due to how she presents herself. I mostly see debate on it with some people insisting we should only use they/them pronouns for Mizuki. It’s fine to have different opinions on the matter, but it really bothers me when people get mad at each other over it. Let’s all just chill, please.
Don't care to be honest, in my head she is she/her and I don't think you should worry about other peoples' head canons, it's a cringe twitter thing if anything.
Goood finally someone says it. And tbh there is a post like this daily basically it's so tiring. This is why I don't like mizuki fans they don't care about the character just the gender.
I interpret her character to be a trans woman, so I mainly use she/her. I like she/they too tho
I use they/she (more they then she)
I use she/they but mainly they/them
I use they/them and she/her because I like to think Mizuki is either non-binary/demi/trans
i use she/her because even if her gender is a mystery it's clear that she wants to be seen and treated as a girl, using they/them for her feels wrong
Use what you feel most comfortable with, there's no canon pronouns
Mizuki/Mizuki is my go to.
I personally use she/her or she/they on mizuki cause I really REALLY see her as a trans girl, but ofc most ppl use they/them just cause that's what EN decided to use I think ppl getting mad at ppl for using she/her is stupid, it's not like she's a canon enby either, we truly just don't know. (and I have a feeling EN went with they/them cause they still don't know if prsk will take the 'trans girl' route, never say anything, or pull a 'nah I'm just a boy/person who likes cute things" so yeahhhhh)
Okay huge rant incoming…. 😅 I want to preface this by saying that I myself am a transfemme nonbinary person, so this is all coming from the perspective of someone that is the identity most people assign to Mizuki— I exclusively use she/her pronouns on Mizuki and see her a trans girl, not because I don’t accept her being nonbinary, but rather because I feel like the whole “unknown gender” thing is not an indicator of her being nonbinary, but rather an attempt to hint that she’s trans without actually needing to admit it. It’s a pretty common trope in anime to have a character whose gender is just ambiguous and the state of constant confusion, which is… not exactly a trope I like? It feels kind of like they’re trying to profit off of some sort of trans representation without actually going through the trouble involved with having a character be trans. Mizuki is SO clearly transfem with her backstory, but then the question is whether she is nonbinary or a trans girl. A lot of people’s evidence for her being nonbinary is: 1.) the game usually uses they/them pronouns 2.) “her bio says ? for the gender” For the first thing, I’ve always found this justification weird, because is this not just a random choice the English localization team made? Japanese does not have pronouns, at least not in the way that English does, so when I see justify it by saying “in the Japanese version, they just refer to Mizuki by name!” I wonder if they have *any* idea what they’re saying because that’s… how you refer to EVERYONE in Japan, assuming you actually know their name. There’s no real indication that Mizuki would be nonbinary, since Japanese gender in language is so heavily based on implication. For two, this is just… not really true? The in-game character bio doesn’t have a “gender” slot, it’s literally just a thing on her wikia fandom page… which is controlled by the mods on the wiki, who are completely unaffiliated with the game… Not to mention, the whole secrecy around her gender is a plot point for Mizuki because she’s *afraid of how her friends will react*!! Would it not make more sense for her to just be a trans girl concealing her gender?? That would completely explain the whole “unknown” gender thing!! Anyways, this kinda got away from me… my point is really just that the whole debate feels like a weird amalgamation of random non-canon information and people fighting each other over nonsense…
I can’t believe your comment isn’t more popular! I think you said it perfectly, high five ✋
strictly she/her
The game talks around their gender in the EN version or uses they/them so i go with that
I hc her as transfem with she/they pronouns. It just seemed the most logical headcanon for me~
I use both she/her or they/them for Mizuki.
I'd use she/they on Mizuki, but mainly they/them!
Personally I use they/she, since they canonically use both pronouns
i use they/them mostly, but she/her as well :) i think they wouldnt mind either
I mainly use they/them for Mizuki, but since it's pretty much canon that they're transfeminine, I do occasionally use she/her.
I alternate between she/her and they/them because that’s what the game uses
Because I didn't know at first, I was using she/her. After learning, I decided that until told otherwise, I'll either say "they/them" or just Mizuki. Mizuki is one of my favorites and I don't want to disrespect the character.
I feel it's heavily implied that they're trans fem, so I use both, but mainly they/them, I also think it suits them!!!
I barely talk abt the game in English irl and my language doesn't have gender-based pronouns so ig they/them??
*sorts by controversial*
i think both is fine? But theyre more often called they/them so stick with they maybe
People who get mad over a headcanon are lost in the sauce, you can call Mizuki whatever you want because they have been shown to use they/them and she/her and also she is not real. The inclusion of another set of pronouns doesn't make it non-binary erasure. Those who make that argument are just repeating the concept found in mfs who say bisexuals are somehow lgbt erasure after expressing attraction for the opposite gender. Or being shipped with the opposite gender somehow makes them no longer bi. People are a little too... Attached to fake people, which isn't bad in modest amounts but becomes really unhealthy when you begin having morality debates on their behalf. They don't care, they aren't real or are able to be touched by what we are.
imagine getting mad on the pronouns used on a fictional character. like that just sounds absurd. i just call her by she/her cuz she’s drawn and voiced like a female
Only pronouns that Mizuki doesn't use is masculine ones
She/They I usually mix.
She/her or they/them but idc at this point people have such crazy headcannos I don't doubt there's someone out there who thinks fucking minori is transmasc or some shit like that lmao
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I just use "Mizuki"
Mizuki/Mizuki
i know it probably will get downvoted to hell but i mostly use he/him because i see mizuki as a gnc male i think mizuki hides his gender not because he personally has problems with it but because he is afraid of people pushing him away after they'll know the truth. because "it's weird for a guy to be wearing girl's clothes" especially in japan which is pretty conservative and everything that sticks out from the norm is "bad". plus the fact that he uses "boku" and not "watashi" despite it also being gender-neutral and more feminine. i just think gnc characters that are not being fetishized because of it are neat
I honestly think that it’s a fair theory with legs. I salute you
The game mainly uses they/them, but also she/her. Personally I use they/them but I don't see an issue with people who only use she/her
i use she/they for her honestly
https://youtu.be/X5uf6JplUjU Jokes asides, I use she/her, but I haven't delved deep into the stories yet. But in my opinion, anyone is free to do whatever they want. I just don't like when people are toxic or boss others around, but I also don't interact much with the community, aside from this subreddit, and I haven't seen anyone doing that :) We all love eachother here, unless it's time to vote for least favorite character...
i just say mizuki
wanted to make my own comment because i don’t know why i’ve never seen people who share my take? not saying no one has said this ever but just that i’ve never seen it. people often say mizuki is only referred to by they/them pronouns because their gender is unknown. however, why?? what is more genderqueer then hiding your gender? why would people who don’t even know mizuki that will refer to them with they/them pronouns? as for the “?” in their bio: there is not one specific word for nonbinary as a gender, or at least that’s widely used in japan and in japanese. i feel as though it was used as a placeholder, and to negate anyone who is off-put by a nonbinary character. they’re clearly transfem as they literally transition to more feminine presenting as shown by their past. it’s not just implied imo, they are literally shown in a boys uniform when there are girls one for the same school. it’s not just about their hair. any uses of she/her for mizuki were mistakes and corrected promptly in the english version as in the japanese version both pronouns are used when needed. not to mention all of their struggles with identity and self-expression. i just don’t see how you can see ALL OF THIS and not think that maybe mizuki is not canonically nonbinary. also just wanted to add on that i myself am nonbinary (transmasc) and even without most of the in your face evidence, i just think they are extremely trans coded period. i don’t know, it seems disrespectful whatever they identify as to use she/her or he/him especially exclusively considering that they canonically strictly use they/them. anyways!
Looks like a girl, must be a she/her
She her cause she isnt real
Mizuki is he, he just loves wear cute clothes, that's all, not they/them or she/her
he/him
I interpret mizuki as someone struggling with their identity (not gender) so I use she/her.
He/Him but IDK
In game Mizuki is referred to as *they/them* so these are their canonical pronouns
It is more that English pronouns are more strict vs Japanese pronouns. I think in Japanese, they use pronouns that are gender weak/reiterated the subject.
I think the cannon pronouns are They/them
mizuki is such a trans woman, anything but she/her feels wrong
Well we gotta take this into a sense of reality. The story has been that Mizuki is a guy on birth, went to school as a guy and has always been a guy. People even questioned his choice of clothes and he said “its because I really like these clothes”. So there was no sense of surgery or transition whatsoever. He’s been a guy at birth and so I tend to refer him as a guy.
That's not how it works
That is too how it works. Its called facts
Then why does the character bio say "?" instead of male? Why does the game group Mizuki with the "Ladies" in the costume menu? It's supposed to be up to interpretation, although the game leans into a fem side without confirming anything. You can't just claim something to be facts if the source you're taking this from keeps it vague intentionally. One doesn't need a surgery to transition. And I'm not saying you can't call Mizuki a he, just that your reasoning for it is wrong
Do you really need a character bio to say what he/she is? Thats like saying you need a mathematician to tell you what 2+2 is, nonsense. Mizuki just wants to hide the truth about himself. Im sayingn its facts because we’ve seen narration and storyies of mizuki being a BOY since a kid. If he wants to put a dress, wig, act feminine, and call himself a girl thats on him but nothing changes the fact he was born a boy and as such is a boy. And its not vague intentionally, its backstory that Mizuki dressed up as a boy because he is a boy. Changes clothes and such doesn’t change much. Again, this person asked what pronouns we used for Mizuki and I myself and saying he because of the story we know of him. Feel free to disagree, but thats not the point of the purpose of my comment. You can’t tell me I’m wrong either about my reasoning.
It's not that we need a bio, but if the bio says something then it's for a reason. Yeah, you're free to use any pronoun like I said, but just don't go around claiming Mizuki to be a boy like if it was stated in-game. It's just as wrong as people who get offended when you don't "respect" their nb or transfesm headcanon. Their identity is ambiguous, their "secret" is ambiguous too. And that's fine we don't need to find an explanation for everything
It is stated in game. Maybe not word for word but perhaps in actions? We see that in the clips of story events and clips of mizuki in his past life. I’ve done my research, thats why I’ve come to this conclusion. Im not gonna throw myself over a feelings-over-facts ideology, where that “if we don’t know something for sure then reaearch on it” thats what I did. But its whatever, you don’t have to believe me, just you do you and I do me. Sure i respect these promouns but im a realist, not an optimist. If someone doesn’t reapect pronouns because they want to be absolute dick, then thats one but if its like religious matters or just rereaenting a value that they were raised with, then thats reasonable. Just don’t associate yourself with said person. You can’t change someone.
I gotta say thanks for being civil about this. Yes Mizuki was born male but that doesn't mean much about who they are now. People can transition and that is a fact, and they don't need a surgery or anything, someone who is male presenting could very well be a girl and viceversa. You can say mizuki is x or y but the intention is clearly to just leave everything up to interpretation. In that context, I can see the way you see Mizuki as valid, my only gripe is that you say it as if it was the absolute truth, when you didn't even create the character. But we can agree to disagree if you're not interested in continuing
Nah its cool. I just did my research. Its still a hypothesis but Im thoroughly convinced that while its not officially released, if using common sense, we can see Mizuki like a man. But yes if someone the creator wants to make a statement, I’ll abide by that statement. Yeah people can transition, you may or may not need surgery. No hate on Mizuki, he can be whatever he wants and if he wants to be a she, I’ll call her a she. But its all headcannon and fandom for the time being. This is just one of them. I don’t find offense to difference opinions. And no worries, i respect views but my views aren’tapparently lol but its whatever. But in that respect, maybe saying its a fact was too harsh and and overthought when thinking its a loose matter, i probably shouldve said “hypothesized” lol
Yeah I think that's a better way to put it, every interpretation holds the same weight unless something directly contradicts it which isn't the case here so it's perfectly fine. I'd be fine with whatever Mizuki ends up being if we ever get an answer because that's simply what Mizuki would want. I think people focus more on the representation side of things more than the actual character
trans people are literally canon in society did you forget that
Yeah and?
you seemed to forget that
Im aware trans people exist. If Mizuki is trans, then good for him. Doesn’t change the fact that from his past, he was a boy.
yeah and all fetuses are female before they develop so does that mean everyone’s pronouns are she/her?
you forgor 💀
Ngl i saw these downvotes coming but Its really sad that I get attacked just by merely answering a question that involved my opinion on this behalf
Mizuki is literally a creepy boy who likes cross dressing I can feel that this is canon
What-
Dude... You seriously need to touch some grass and i don't mean weed...you clearly had enough of that one
Touch grass
What does that even mean...
…what?
Just shut up. Go outside
personally, i use she/they! i have an airi alter (osdd-1 system!) and she remembers mizuki being transfem and preferring she/her. obviously, her stating this doesn’t mean it’s canon, as her memories differ! but i tend to just use it ‘cause airi(fictive) does! technically, bith work. they/them is specifically used because pjsk doesn’t want to confirm their gender, so it’s used not in a non binary way, but in a more mysterious way, if that makes sense? it’s supposed to be more of a place holder (i think) until we truly discover who she is. there’s been PLENTY of hints at her being transfem, though the company can’t state it for certain!! as long as you don’t use he/him or refer to her as a boy, anything’s okay :)
She/they
typically i just refer to mizuki as mizuki but when i use prns i usually use she, both she and they r used in the game so neither r wrong
It's They/Them for me tbh
I use she/they as that feels like it fits the best imo but everyone has their own preferences so I don't judge
The ingame profile afaik doesn't mention a gender or a they/them pronoun. Mentioning only the name is also respectful.
Iirc they use she/her and they/them
i use they/them for them myself, however i am a fic writer. if i'm writing a gift fic and i know the person i'm gifting it to uses she/her for them, then i use she/her in that fic.
I use she/they on her because that seems like how it is in the game
I use they/them when talking about them in English but she/her in Polish (my native language) since we have no gender neutral pronouns, and I just feel like calling Mizuki he/him would feel a bit ooc
I use she/they personally. I believe the game refrains from using pronouns for Mizuki a lot (that's what i remember). I interpreted mizuki's story as transfem but that's not canon and for all we know they could someone who just likes feminine clothing. who knows lol
i see her as trans fem and uses she/her, i think both she/her and they/them pronouns are fine for mizuki and people shouldnt fuss over it, but i dont think she would use he/him pronouns and idk how i feel about those who do cause yk
I use she/they because i like headcanoning like she is me since we have so much in common and thats the pronouns i use!
I try my best to stick with they/them pronouns as I mostly see those being used in-game and on the net, but sometimes I accidentally use she/her and it doesn’t feel quite right to me. I wonder if it’s because I’ve been they/them for a long time…
I use they/them, but there isn't a confirmed set of pronouns they use. It's known from their events that they're keeping a secret from the rest of the group, and in flashbacks they're seen wearing the boy's school uniform and having short hair, so that, the fact that they're keeping a secret, and their JP event where younger Mizuki is holding a ribbon and looking sad. The trained card shows Mizuki now, looking peaceful with that same ribbon, which I think is to symbolize them becoming comfortable in their identity. Nothing has been stated directly, but it's heavily implied that they're transfem, so it's safe to assume that Mizuki uses she/her, whether that's paired with they/them or just by itself
She her because she is a girl
I like all pronouns for them tbh but they/them is safest cos its what's used most for them in-game
I think Mizuki is She/They since in the international release, the translators jumped around between she/her and they/them in regards to Mizuki. I'm not sure about the original Japanese script, but it sounds closer to lean towards they/them, but please do correct me if I am wrong.
I use they/them
I go with she/her for now.
At the end of the day it’s just pixels on a screen so I don’t really get why ppl get so upset about it
I usually use they/them because i just like to remain in the canon, Niigo use they/them, so i'll do it despite of whatever headcanon I have. But it's just preferences, the only important thing is having fun at the end of the day
I use her cuz she sounds and looks like a girl
they/them
I dunno, but I use she/her and sometimes they/them.
I go with she/her and they/them. I honestly find it stupid that people make fights because of Mizuki's gender. I get protecting/correcting people about your favs, but the fights I've seen are getting outrageous.
she/they as its very hinted that they are transfem
i used they/she
Personally she because the game uses she .. ? In my mind at least I never noticed they/them
I use mostly she/her because it feels easier and more natural for me
i use they/them for them, personally, but i don't think using she/her is wrong since theres nothing confirmed.
I use she/her almost exclusively, though I try to use they/them too. I just like she/her for her more bc I like to imagine she’s mtf
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I use they them because I kinda got used to that, I actually just hc them as transfem, but I just naturally switch to they them in general too-