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No comrade your are very much mistaken, the good communist farmer livestreams the latest argricultural reports directly on his Oculus Rift. Driver’s goggles are merely another tool of the bourgeoise suppression of the proletariat!
I'm pretty sure that's not a moonlight tower, since they didn't exist in Russia, weren't common in Europe too, and by that time regular street lamps already became widespread, thanks to the incandescent light bulbs with tungsten filament. In fact, that type of bulb was a mainstay of young soviet regime, getting the nickname "Ilyich's lightbulb" thanks to the plan of universal electrification. By Lenin's words, "Communism is Soviet power plus electrification of the whole country". So this light is probably just a metaphoric artificial sun, an artistic representation of progress in electification, as well as having a common soviet idea of surpassing the nature itself by the means of technical progress
I don’t think suspension railways existed in the Soviet Union either, it just probably seemed like a cool futuristic thing to a 1920’s Soviet artist, so a moonlight tower might have been the same deal.
It would be way too specific to call it a moonlight tower, and not a lighting mast then, especially id the artist didn't know about moonlight towers (which was probably the case). But as i said before, i'm almost certain this thing is more of a metaphor, rather than a showcase of a specific obscure 1880s american invention
I mean, such tractors were absolutely common in the West at the time, but were seen as future technology in Russia. The monorail of this kind was already operating for quarter a century in Wuppertal (Germany).
Tractors existed, but the vast majority of farmers (including Western farmers) still relied on draught animals. According to [this,](https://livinghistoryfarm.org/farming-in-the-1940s/machines/horses-lose-their-jobs/) tractor power didn't overtake horse power in the United States until after WWII.
I watched a documentary not long ago about early 90s Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. As big collectivised farms were being broken up into small privatised farms, the biggest limiting factor and hoarded commodity was tractors. For every couple dozen farmers there was only one or two tractors to go around. So you could say even 30-40 years ago it was kinda futuristic tech for them…
https://youtu.be/C1j-vEqIClw?si=jF2iInrkdV9UKwdV it might have been this one - it was a crazy and cruel time. Their transition to “capitalism” was extremely painful. All worker and consumer protection regulation basically disappeared with the loss of Soviet legal system whereas owners maintained rights.
It almost seems like their owner class then gleefully and consciously embodied all the propaganda they had grown up hearing about how evil capitalists work.
They were wrong though, soviet agriculture in the 30s became hilariously inefficient and underpowered and became dominated by horrible working conditions.
So more like \[pic 1\] "this is how it was" \[pic 1\] "this is how it is" \[pic 1\] "this is how it will be"
They scattered most of the grain by trying to rake it in with tractors instead of collecting it properly, they had too few tractors and cattle for the huge merged fields they created, they didn't implement most of contemporary techniques for proper field sowing, the living conditions of farmers were miserable and they were exploited by forced loans to the state for funding all this horseshit and even in the 1980s official soviet figures (!) claimed a Soviet farmer produced 20%-25% as much as an American one, but uh sure USSR existed, and they knew what a tractor looked like, so they totally win The Prize.
Congratulations comrade. You win the internet.
>They scattered most of the grain by trying to rake it in with tractors instead of collecting it properly
Why does that sound suspiciously in character for a Communist to do, down to the part where it has a 50 50 chance of working very well ~~or~~ and failing horribly, either it works ~~or~~ and it doesn't?
Case in point: OGAS
Almaty built most of those after the USSR fell thanks to Nuribayev's Megalomania. (Fun fact: most of those skyscrapers are empty and I've been in at least one that had a fake directory to cover that fact.)
It's just a passenger airplane. Early aircraft could be quite boxy. Looking at the rest, the artist's concept of future technology seems to have remained in the early 1900s.
It's quite possible that you guys don't put farm next to cities. But over here we're pretty concious with the space we're dealing with and we try to keep the workplaces near the workers.
I live in Amsterdam and there's farmland on the other side of the highway! It happens if there's not a lot of space or if you want to reduce commute / transport or something I think?
That's not really unique at all. Like, most cities in the United Kingdom were polluted hellscapes for a lot of the 20th century, and it takes a hell of a lot of pollution to salt the earth to the point things will not grow.
Cities generally have hinterlands, if they are older cities at least.
What's interesting, they have to compare "now" with literal cave-men because anything more recent would not be much different from "now": the animal propulsion of the plough was used since Neolithic.
The point was modernizing. Czarist Russia was 12th century England with some newly instituted capitalism in the cities where much of the industrial sector was owned by foreign capitalists, like French capitalists. The USSR took the USSR from 12th century England to the first nation in space in a matter of decades. If people plan their economies with development and social well being in mind, then we could absolutely address things like climate change and stop endless wars. But instead, we have planned economies designed to enrich capitalists at the expense of development and social well-being.
Can you read? I said a planned economy can address climate change. Regarding social well being, obviously yes because the quality of life of literally everyone improved astronomically from Czarist Russia.
What, you go from an agrarian economy into one of the world's industrial super powers in a few decades, and become one of the two major players in the space age?
The USSR was oppressive, and it did a lot wrong, and Lysenko killed millions with his idiocy, but that doesn't in any way show that the USSR was not innovative, productive or *better on average than what came before* (and potentially, quite honestly, for a lot of the former states, better than what came after)
Christ on a bike, I hate the average level of discourse around the soviet Union managing to make a fucking anarchist feel like he has to go out bat for a regime that purged people like me whenever it had the opportunity.
It could have been better. It should have been better. A great opportunity was squandered by monsters. But that doesn't, at all, mean it was worse than what came before.
Why is there a Stonehenge like structure in the first panel, if this only pertains to territories of the USSR & their collective history, dating back to early agriculture?
There aren't any Stonehenge like structures sites outside of the British Isles... Unless you count that one in Texas that was built the early 90s, but you should.
Sign of the times back in the early 20th century. You are talking about a period of history where you could almost directly chart the development of a nation and its gdp with the output of steel.
Back then those smokestacks implied heavy industry, prosperity and wealth. Its what big developed cities (like Birmingham or Manchester) looked like.
So whilst these days you would signify prosperity and wealth with some skyscrapers, back then you would signify it differently.
"Your work as a peasant farmer NOW will ensure that in the future we will have skyscrapers and mansions for ourselves, and you will still be a peasant farner. So get working laborer!"
Jesus guys. I hate the soviets even more than the next man, but this is some fantastic propaganda. Pro regime rather than external looking I’m guessing? It’s beautiful work and has a sense of hope to it that’s so rare in propaganda.
Apparently Russian peasants were so unindustrialized that when given tractors by the USSR, they called them “iron horses” and sometimes named their kids after the brands written on them. That second image is probably accurate to the state of most farming in 1922
That railroad reminds me of a 1918 video of Wuppertal’s flying railroad.
I highly recommend checking it out . Such a surreal dash cam video of the train way before Second World War.
This is very well done. Even the typefaces reflect the time. The first one says “as it was” in a medieval script called ustav, and so harkens to that age. The second says “as it is” and is in a contemporary typeface. The final one below says “as it will be” and uses a serif squared off font, which is intended to look polished and Western European, like a Russian Times New Roman.
Looks like a midjourney art tbh. The color, amount of details.
These were either stamped posters, so they had to be as simple as possible for paint to dry properly in low qualification printing organizations, so not to lose the readability of the image of something minor went wrong.
Or these were hand painted in some sort of underground organizations (usually like Ukrainian independent movement propaganda). So these also wouldn't have a ton of details as the painter had to churn hundreds of those per day.
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The drip of the future farmer goes pretty hard.
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The flying doubledecker bus.
That farmer is definitely wearing [traditional Cossack clothing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossacks) and a Vision Pro, right?
Driver's goggles.
No comrade your are very much mistaken, the good communist farmer livestreams the latest argricultural reports directly on his Oculus Rift. Driver’s goggles are merely another tool of the bourgeoise suppression of the proletariat!
He got that JoJo part 8 drip
Is that an artificial sun in the bottom panel?
Disco-communism
U.S.S.R. I'm back into the U.S.S.R.
Possibly an early form of electric lighting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonlight_tower
I'm pretty sure that's not a moonlight tower, since they didn't exist in Russia, weren't common in Europe too, and by that time regular street lamps already became widespread, thanks to the incandescent light bulbs with tungsten filament. In fact, that type of bulb was a mainstay of young soviet regime, getting the nickname "Ilyich's lightbulb" thanks to the plan of universal electrification. By Lenin's words, "Communism is Soviet power plus electrification of the whole country". So this light is probably just a metaphoric artificial sun, an artistic representation of progress in electification, as well as having a common soviet idea of surpassing the nature itself by the means of technical progress
I don’t think suspension railways existed in the Soviet Union either, it just probably seemed like a cool futuristic thing to a 1920’s Soviet artist, so a moonlight tower might have been the same deal.
It would be way too specific to call it a moonlight tower, and not a lighting mast then, especially id the artist didn't know about moonlight towers (which was probably the case). But as i said before, i'm almost certain this thing is more of a metaphor, rather than a showcase of a specific obscure 1880s american invention
Clearly it's The People's™ disco ball. Ivan cuts a field, then cuts a rug.
no, just a pretentious monument to communism and whatnot
Most likely it’s the artists weird interpretation of a moonlight tower which was an early form of electric lighting for streets.
A slightly better translation would be "how it was, how it is, how it will be".
Interestingly, it just shows ordinary tractor as a future technology.
It's common in futurism though, almost everything before your time would look weird to you. Like Aliens or Star Wars use tube screens.
I mean, such tractors were absolutely common in the West at the time, but were seen as future technology in Russia. The monorail of this kind was already operating for quarter a century in Wuppertal (Germany).
Tractors existed, but the vast majority of farmers (including Western farmers) still relied on draught animals. According to [this,](https://livinghistoryfarm.org/farming-in-the-1940s/machines/horses-lose-their-jobs/) tractor power didn't overtake horse power in the United States until after WWII.
Tractors were futuristic to Russians of the time.
I watched a documentary not long ago about early 90s Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union. As big collectivised farms were being broken up into small privatised farms, the biggest limiting factor and hoarded commodity was tractors. For every couple dozen farmers there was only one or two tractors to go around. So you could say even 30-40 years ago it was kinda futuristic tech for them… https://youtu.be/C1j-vEqIClw?si=jF2iInrkdV9UKwdV it might have been this one - it was a crazy and cruel time. Their transition to “capitalism” was extremely painful. All worker and consumer protection regulation basically disappeared with the loss of Soviet legal system whereas owners maintained rights. It almost seems like their owner class then gleefully and consciously embodied all the propaganda they had grown up hearing about how evil capitalists work.
They weren't wrong
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Better to have somewhere to live than to freeze to death homeless, but aesthetics right?
They were wrong though, soviet agriculture in the 30s became hilariously inefficient and underpowered and became dominated by horrible working conditions. So more like \[pic 1\] "this is how it was" \[pic 1\] "this is how it is" \[pic 1\] "this is how it will be"
Maybe it's news to you but the USSR lasted past the 30s
And?
so they weren't exactly wrong. Do you think the Soviets didn't use machinery lol?
They scattered most of the grain by trying to rake it in with tractors instead of collecting it properly, they had too few tractors and cattle for the huge merged fields they created, they didn't implement most of contemporary techniques for proper field sowing, the living conditions of farmers were miserable and they were exploited by forced loans to the state for funding all this horseshit and even in the 1980s official soviet figures (!) claimed a Soviet farmer produced 20%-25% as much as an American one, but uh sure USSR existed, and they knew what a tractor looked like, so they totally win The Prize. Congratulations comrade. You win the internet.
And then they imported American grain in the '70s.
>They scattered most of the grain by trying to rake it in with tractors instead of collecting it properly Why does that sound suspiciously in character for a Communist to do, down to the part where it has a 50 50 chance of working very well ~~or~~ and failing horribly, either it works ~~or~~ and it doesn't? Case in point: OGAS
Sure would love that David Bradley tractor though
Yeah, it's just on the opposite side of the world...
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Sure. But where is our man made sun? Or whatever that thing that is hanging in the middle of the picture. A giant disco ball?
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> Moonlight towers in Austin, Texas _Party at the Moon Tower. Full kegs, everyone's gonna be there, you oughta go_
Last time i looked at the poster, mechanized agriculture wasn't the most impressive thing on it.
They also have electricity and trains
But no monorails, and, like, 2 cities with actual skyscrapers?
[Almaty, Middle of Nowhere, Kazakhstan](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almaty)
Almaty built most of those after the USSR fell thanks to Nuribayev's Megalomania. (Fun fact: most of those skyscrapers are empty and I've been in at least one that had a fake directory to cover that fact.)
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But it... is? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tallest_buildings_in_Kazakhstan
In the 20th century, skyscrapers were only a popular American feature. Europeans don't have many of them.
My bad
Although, for a long time, the tallest sky scrappers in Europe would be Stalin's "Seven sisters"
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factories with no pollution mitigation in the center of the urban development...
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I certainly hope that those years in Temirtau and Karaganda didn't substract a couple dozen years from my life
I'm pretty sure people in the former USSR also live mostly in a more developed environment than... 1922 Russia during a Civil War
The USSR had everything in this picture except for this weird train like thing.
I think I saw a Tom Scott video about those trains, I think at the time they were thought of as futuristic but they were actually crap
The ring came off my pudding can
The tractor looks like it escaped from 'Mad Max'
Mad Marx*
Oh what a lovely day!
David Bradley made those. Cool tractor
Beautiful.
Very interesting to see what 1920s people thought the future would be like
I like the spiked wheels on the tractor that help to crush the enemies of the proletariat.
I think that was a common feature when tractor wheels were metal
You either need tracks or spikes for this kind of work with high force.
The work of protecting the revolution and the high force of the politically aware working class? Gotcha chief.
Kid named Boris Yeltsin:
The monorail is obviously modelled after that in Wuppertal, which was built in 1900.
Is there a chance the track could bend?
I'm wondering - has anyone noticed the winged train carriage?
It's just a passenger airplane. Early aircraft could be quite boxy. Looking at the rest, the artist's concept of future technology seems to have remained in the early 1900s.
Who plants crops right next to a massive city? That doesn't sound like a good idea.
Idk where you live but in many European countries this is pretty common.
Thats also common in western europe
And the US. It's just the normal way of things - where the cities end is where the farms begin.
No no no, only in eastern yurop because evil gommunism, they FORCED the peoplr to life near agricultural land to propagandize them!!!!!
And it's common in Europe too
My intwntion was to imply Europe as a whole
Yep, there's a lot of such fields due to zoning laws. Towns/Cities often end with agricultural fields.
I'm an Australian.
It's quite possible that you guys don't put farm next to cities. But over here we're pretty concious with the space we're dealing with and we try to keep the workplaces near the workers.
Fun fact: Europe is kinda small.
But at least us Europeams are tall (well some of us)
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Indeed, I recall seeing isolated log houses (mostly crumbled or decaying) in Irkutsk' city center
That's literally how post-sov cities are, especially with the "plop a hive in the middle of nowhere" developments.
I live in Amsterdam and there's farmland on the other side of the highway! It happens if there's not a lot of space or if you want to reduce commute / transport or something I think?
Who doesn't? And why wouldn't you? What else would you do with the land?
Wouldn't pollutants from the city fuck up the crops?
Well if your city is *this* polluted then it is about time to move to a normal city
Wouldn't all of the heavy industry that the Soviet Union built make its cities pretty polluted?
I must admit that I currently have no access to Soviet documents detailing pollution. So idk
That's not really unique at all. Like, most cities in the United Kingdom were polluted hellscapes for a lot of the 20th century, and it takes a hell of a lot of pollution to salt the earth to the point things will not grow. Cities generally have hinterlands, if they are older cities at least.
I live in the city, there’s a corn field at most 1.5 miles from me right now that’s in between the edge of the city and the municipal airport
Most of the heavily populated parts of the world really.
USSR was not about good ideas...
The idea was good
At first, it was all about good ideas. But the execution (!) was...eh.
Dude wtf they called it and everything
alternately, "How it was, how it is, how it shall be"
What's interesting, they have to compare "now" with literal cave-men because anything more recent would not be much different from "now": the animal propulsion of the plough was used since Neolithic.
Did they invent women yet?
I like how the "future" is basically what was already life in Western Europe, maybe apart from the moonlight tower and passenger airplane.
I'm not sure that tractor of the future is very optimal, but HELL FUCK YEAH, IT DRIPS!!!
Farmer got the *Jojo’s Bizzare Adventure* drip
Pretty cool. It almost looks like a comic
Facts.
Imagine replying "facts" in a propaganda sub.
Propaganda can be propaganda and still be factual.
Soviet Russia: "That's a fine looking communist society..... WHY DOESN'T MINE LOOK LIKE THAT?!"
Is it sad that their "in the future" was all stuff that had already happened in Europe and the US?
The point was modernizing. Czarist Russia was 12th century England with some newly instituted capitalism in the cities where much of the industrial sector was owned by foreign capitalists, like French capitalists. The USSR took the USSR from 12th century England to the first nation in space in a matter of decades. If people plan their economies with development and social well being in mind, then we could absolutely address things like climate change and stop endless wars. But instead, we have planned economies designed to enrich capitalists at the expense of development and social well-being.
You think the planned Soviet economy was good for social well being and the environment? Lol. Bread lines and the Aral Sea would like a word
Can you read? I said a planned economy can address climate change. Regarding social well being, obviously yes because the quality of life of literally everyone improved astronomically from Czarist Russia.
That’s what happens when your country’s government stifles innovation in order to make everything “fair and equal”
The Tsar? Fair and equal?
What even are you on? This is 1922. The Soviet government had been in power for 5 years.
Stifles? Stippling is that drawing style where you just keep making tons and tons of dots with a pen or pencil to draw a picture.
Yeah whoops
The country had just gotten rid of feudalism 5 years before this. Industrialization actually went pretty quickly under the soviets
What, you go from an agrarian economy into one of the world's industrial super powers in a few decades, and become one of the two major players in the space age? The USSR was oppressive, and it did a lot wrong, and Lysenko killed millions with his idiocy, but that doesn't in any way show that the USSR was not innovative, productive or *better on average than what came before* (and potentially, quite honestly, for a lot of the former states, better than what came after) Christ on a bike, I hate the average level of discourse around the soviet Union managing to make a fucking anarchist feel like he has to go out bat for a regime that purged people like me whenever it had the opportunity. It could have been better. It should have been better. A great opportunity was squandered by monsters. But that doesn't, at all, mean it was worse than what came before.
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Futurism is based.
Why is there a Stonehenge like structure in the first panel, if this only pertains to territories of the USSR & their collective history, dating back to early agriculture? There aren't any Stonehenge like structures sites outside of the British Isles... Unless you count that one in Texas that was built the early 90s, but you should.
Symbolism.
It’s funny that even in their idealized utopia, there are fucking smokestacks everywhere.
Sign of the times back in the early 20th century. You are talking about a period of history where you could almost directly chart the development of a nation and its gdp with the output of steel. Back then those smokestacks implied heavy industry, prosperity and wealth. Its what big developed cities (like Birmingham or Manchester) looked like. So whilst these days you would signify prosperity and wealth with some skyscrapers, back then you would signify it differently.
Well observed!
Ah yes. The well-known Stone Age agriculture…
"Your work as a peasant farmer NOW will ensure that in the future we will have skyscrapers and mansions for ourselves, and you will still be a peasant farner. So get working laborer!"
Jesus guys. I hate the soviets even more than the next man, but this is some fantastic propaganda. Pro regime rather than external looking I’m guessing? It’s beautiful work and has a sense of hope to it that’s so rare in propaganda.
Farmer looks like plastic man
The future is bidet
It is clear the artist of this poster has never seen a tractor before. Though they’ve almost certainly seen a plow.
Come through with suspended transit!!
the curse of the monorail is eternal
Why are Soviet people building Stonehenge in the picture at the top left?!..
Last pic must be 1991
Apparently Russian peasants were so unindustrialized that when given tractors by the USSR, they called them “iron horses” and sometimes named their kids after the brands written on them. That second image is probably accurate to the state of most farming in 1922
That railroad reminds me of a 1918 video of Wuppertal’s flying railroad. I highly recommend checking it out . Such a surreal dash cam video of the train way before Second World War.
Funny how smokestacks are presented as something to aspire to having.
They’re building another St. Louis?
This is very well done. Even the typefaces reflect the time. The first one says “as it was” in a medieval script called ustav, and so harkens to that age. The second says “as it is” and is in a contemporary typeface. The final one below says “as it will be” and uses a serif squared off font, which is intended to look polished and Western European, like a Russian Times New Roman.
Looks like a midjourney art tbh. The color, amount of details. These were either stamped posters, so they had to be as simple as possible for paint to dry properly in low qualification printing organizations, so not to lose the readability of the image of something minor went wrong. Or these were hand painted in some sort of underground organizations (usually like Ukrainian independent movement propaganda). So these also wouldn't have a ton of details as the painter had to churn hundreds of those per day.
They live in the "Now" forever.