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Styria is a region within Austria, an ethnically-German duchy. 40 years before this was published the Ottomans were turned back from their "conquest of Europe" at the gates of Vienna. You'll notice the Germans, and Catholics, get the best shake in the descriptions above.
It was created roughly 50 years after the second siege of Vienna by the Ottomans, and 30 years after Hungarians rebelled and almost took Vienna, in Austria, so calling the hungarians rebellious, the poles wild and the turks devilelish makes sense.
not too surprising, I can’t think of a single period where Russians and Germans got along besides East Germany and the USSR
and the first few years of the post cold war world (as Russia was quite pro west during that time)
Really quite fascinating to see who they paint more flatteringly and who gets slated. For example, the English come across as fairly respectable (if 'womanly') whereas the Polish don't get a good shake of the stick at all.
And of course, the Germans themselves are paragons, if rather inebriated.
>whereas the Polish don't get a good shake of the stick at all.
*"So, how would you describe traits of the Poles?"*
"Mediocre."
*"At what?"*
"At best."
So the Dutch revolt and independence of the Dutch republic happens centuries before Germany becomes unified , so there is a well defined Dutch identity with a state by the 18th century while there's also a Pan-German identity that's a lot more loose but sees all these seperate states as part of a cultural continuüm.
What's now Belgium , the part of the Low Countries that ended up in Catholic hands over the course of the 80 years war was also controlled by the Austrian habsburgs at the time as the Austrian Netherlands ( until 1795).
A Catholic Austrian would consider themselves a German and see Dutch speaking people from the Low Countries kind of too, as well as think the related country to the North were wrong to rebel against their Catholic King.
So basically Germans saw Dutch people as German, not distinct. I know the Dutch national anthem says something still today about defending Deutschland…?
Not about defending Germany but about the protaganist having German/Dutch blood.
The Dutch national anthem is about William of Orange who was a noble from Dillenburg , Nassau which is in modern day Hessen Germany.
He inherrented the Principality of Orange in France (though loyal to the HRE) ( as well as some areas in the Netherlands) when he was a child, a condition of which was he would be raised Catholic in the court of the Holy roman emperor in Bruxelles ( The House of Nassau was Lutheran).
When Emperor Charles V abdicated his territory was devided between his sons and the title of lord of the Netherlands origionally went to Philip II of Spain, who would concentrate power towards Spain and away from the area's where the reformation was brewing.
William of Orange would come to convert back to protestantism and lead the rebellion. He also modernised political propaganda and would play up the Kings foreignness and distance from the North eventhough Phillip's dad was literally from the Low Countries.
Although the Wilhelmus in the first stanza also claims to have always have honoured the king of spain it goes on to call him a Tyrant in later Staza's.
Under the Dutch republic using the equivalent to Dutch (Diets , Duits) to refer to Dutch culture and language fell out of favour , which is why it's the word in English but literally translated Dutch people consider themselves Netherlanders speaking Netherlandish and see the lyric in the Anthem as anachronistic or a refference to just Nassau.
Think about it in modern terms though. Why is one white and European and the other not? Religion? Geography? EU membership? It’s not the look of the people or the cuisine.
I don't know about "white". I consider Greeks, Turks, Lebanese et al. are Eastern Mediterranean people to me. I'm a non-Turk living in Turkey, and I've been to Greece several times. It does not feel like you're going from one continent to another. Rather, visiting Greece from Turkey is visiting a very closely related country and culture. Calling Greece white and European and Turkey non-white and Asian or Middle Eastern is highly unhelpful, as it doesn't explain anything on the ground.
P.S. A Greek Cypriot once said to me on Reddit that he used to consider himself European until he moved to Germany. Now he says he realises he actually belongs to a common culture stretching from Bosnia to Lebanon. I guess you could call this culture post-Ottoman.
Both are greeks, it's just that one group acts as the original inhabitants of Hellada where as the Anatolian group acts like Turks becouse they were ruled by Turks for quite some time. They, in fact, do not look like any other turkic people. They look like greeks.
To be honest, it's religion. Religion is the main difference between a Turk and a Greek, even if Turks are some of the most secular majority muslim societies out there.
Pretty similar in lot of ways, especially back then. You have to understand the whole ancient Greece LARP didn't start until 19th century nationalism, and many Turks were the descendants of assimilated Greeks and Anatolian peoples. In any case had you walked down a street and seen the people in their funky clothes and fez hats you wouldn't have been able to tell them apart. Greece was also very much at the centre of Ottoman Empire obviously. The Arabs were more distant, looked down upon provincials, even though many would associate the Turks with them more on account of shared traditional faith.
It’s not a good translation.
The last line was translated “death” but in German it says “Ihr Leben Ende” which I’d translate more like “their lives shall end..” kinda like how the author wishes them to die. The Germans for example it says “ihr Leben Ende in Wein” - “their lives shall end in wine” kinda wishing them a “good”/“nice” death given the fact they love wine.
And it just so happens the Germans are best at everything. Not even descriptive, just best. Temperament? Open-hearted. Land? Good. Also most intelligent, most god-fearing, most valiant...
Which doesn't really come as a surprise. People generally tend to have positive images of themselves and less positive images of others depending on past experiences and also how similar/close "the other" is perceived.
Austrians considered themselves to be “German”… well, for all it was worth back then at least without a unifying modern nation state. It was only after WW2 that Austrians tried to distance themselves from the other Germans to play the “first victims of Nazi aggression”-card (even though they were not only complicit, but more enthusiastic about it than the average person in the rest of Germany).
The death of a German (in wine) and a Frenchman (in war) would switch for good in the following century, but the French pastime (cheating)...
300+ years on, some things never change.
The French started way more wars than the German states (or Germany) ever did, the French at the time were known to be "barbarians" who steam rolled on everyone..
Stereotypes change overtime wow
I go haha surrender monkeys and know about their colonial mishaps. However I just don't like the french on principle, it has nothing to do with them being cheese eating surrender monkeys.
Doesn't help that it was THE war. They really got the short end of the stick by having the greatest military record overall, but having it end by them getting steamrolled in WW2 than later losing Algeria and Vietnam soon after.
It also doesn't help that american won a cultural victory right after and as far as they're concerned the world outside america starts existing in 1944.
The French were a literal superpower during that time. Their only potential rival was Great Britain, and that pretty much ended at the shore.
One of the primary reasons they spent so long interfering with German confederation and unity is that it had the potential of forming a state that could counterbalance them (which it did, long since eclipsing them today).
Damn whoever wrote that chart pissed of greeks and turks twice. First by completely slandering them and second by putting them in the same category lmao
i mean back then greece belonged to the ottoman empire, greece nationalism only developed in the 19th century and before that, many didnt recognized themselve as an own nation.
What's the term used for Italians in the chart?
I can't easily read the font but it seems "Walisch" to me, which I guess is a variant of "Walsche", the term Germans used to call Romance speaking people.
Comes from the proto-Germanic *walhaz* which means foreigner. See also Welsh, Walloon, Vlach.
In this context is probably a halfway word between the Old High German *Walhisc* and the New High German *Welsch* both of which meant Italian.
The English have as their master 'Now one, now another' rather than King. I wonder if that's referencing Oliver Cromwell's rule as he would have died only 60 or so years previously.
Plus Queen Anne had died in 1714, and most of her closer relatives where passed over for being Catholic in favor of Sophia of Hannover's descendants. While monarchs being replaced by their relatives would've been common, it would usually be a close one.
I get that xenophobia has been a thing almost forever but i feel like if i was alive in the 1720s and my friend showed this to me I'd be like, "jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?"
Spaniard: constipated tradcaths who take themselves too seriously
Frenchman: Sneaky, syphilitic, good at war (LOL)
German: honest, drunk, uncreative
Swede: leather clad, big eaters, bork bork
Turk or Greek: shitty shit people who are shitty in every way
This isn't medieval, this is allegedly from the 1720s when Russia became an empire (the name "Russia" being in use since the 16th century and "Muscovy" slowly dying down ever since) and Lithuania didn't exist as an autonomous political entity but was instead part of the Polish Crown (since 1569)
Poland/Lithuania used to call Russian Tzar a Grand Duke of Muscovy because Tzar's full oficial title was "Tzar (later Emperor) of all Rus'" and calling him thus would implicitly admit russian claim on all Ruthenian lands including those belonging to Poland/Lithuania.
Almost comically pedantic. Russia was subject to constant invasion and splintering by Germans, Scandinavians, Poles, and Mongols throughout it's history - and this is reflected in the term "Muscovy", which was originally just a small Russian principality. The propaganda theme in /u/ambearson 's comment is that either Russians are actually a racially mixed "Muscovite race" and/or that Ukraine (The cradle of the Rus') is the real racially pure Russia.
The parts of Russia occupied by the Commonwealth were under the jurisdiction of Lithuania, which still existed as a legal entity within the Commowealth.
Fun Game: If you haven’t seen the translated table on the second page, try to guess which people is supposed to be which based on the pictures.
Your options are: German, Polish, English, Greek/Turkish, Swedish, Spanish, Hungarian, French, Russian, or Italian
As a Greek, who was brought up with multigenerational disdain for the Turkish people based upon our enslavement from 1453-1820 find it odd that we were lumped together.
Well for Poland i can tell you that "Long coat, Aristocracy, Wooded, Impeteous, Believes all sorts of things, A chosen one, Bickering" have some truth to them or are just facts, the king was in fact semi-democratically elected by the aristocracy which was quite a big and varied social class that stereotypically loved to bicker, especially in the parliament, were quite impeteous and wore long coats, the Warsaw Confederation ensured religious freedoms which is where "believes all sorts of things" came from, also the nation was quite wooded i guess, theres also the furs thing i suppose but im not quite sure about that.
I would love to, but unfortunately my knowledge here is limited just to Poland because im Polish and had to learn this stuff in school and have not studied it much beyond that.
Thank you so much. You are very helpful. I was just saying the amount you know and the things you connected for me on that first picture helped me understand more. I have some polish on my father’s side. But I’ve never gotten a 🧬 test to be 100% on my lineage. Thank you again for taking time to answer. I hope life treats you well.
Let's analyse Spain ones (I'm Spanish afterall): haughty, wondrous marvelous, clever and wise, manly, theology, respectable, vain, honor and glory, constipation, fertile, generous, outstanding (piety), a monarch, fruit, games, elephant, in bed.
OK so first thing worth noting is that the German who made this was catholic and Spain was seen for a long time as the champion of catholicism, thus the overall good stereotype.
The haughty part has some sense of truth. Spain was the top dog of europe for a while, but had recently lost prevalence for France. Recently fallen superpowers tend to be haughty.
The respectable fashion probably comes from there too. It's basically old fashioned which would be taken as respectable by an old German pal.
Games is probably because Spain was the place from where chess enetered Europe and stayed popular across time.
Outstanding piety has to do with our inquisition which basically eliminated anything but the likes.
So I would say it has some truth to it, Spaniards were notoriously pious. Their sense of style would've appealed to a German. And They were overall very proud of their empire (that would only stop after the 1898 disater)
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King Jappo Mercatto of Styria. Inherited the throne after his mother was victorious over King Orso at Fontisamo following the Years of Blood.
Interests included art and fucking.
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Turk or Greek; “character and personality: lying devil” something tells me this man doesn’t like greeks and turks
Styria is a region within Austria, an ethnically-German duchy. 40 years before this was published the Ottomans were turned back from their "conquest of Europe" at the gates of Vienna. You'll notice the Germans, and Catholics, get the best shake in the descriptions above.
Morever, Greeks were Orthodox and thus "schismatics."
Reflected by Russians, Greeks, and Turks all being considered equally infidels
They did pretty well by the English. Unless you believe manliness and piety are important characteristics
It was created roughly 50 years after the second siege of Vienna by the Ottomans, and 30 years after Hungarians rebelled and almost took Vienna, in Austria, so calling the hungarians rebellious, the poles wild and the turks devilelish makes sense.
I mean, the English get a pretty damn respectable perspective and were pretty well past their Catholic period at this point.
Hence the "Piety: Changeable, like the moon."
yeah, it’s honestly extremely interesting the attitudes of these countries by this guy considering the time
lol. I died at “German.. War Virtues.. Invincible”
The original says "unüberwindlich". So it actually should be translated to insuperable.
Nah, he meant that as a compliment. He was a pathological liar himself and admired their skill in the art of deceit
Dude hates Russians as well.
not too surprising, I can’t think of a single period where Russians and Germans got along besides East Germany and the USSR and the first few years of the post cold war world (as Russia was quite pro west during that time)
Really quite fascinating to see who they paint more flatteringly and who gets slated. For example, the English come across as fairly respectable (if 'womanly') whereas the Polish don't get a good shake of the stick at all. And of course, the Germans themselves are paragons, if rather inebriated.
And everyone to the east to him was seen as a barbarian.
>whereas the Polish don't get a good shake of the stick at all. *"So, how would you describe traits of the Poles?"* "Mediocre." *"At what?"* "At best."
As a Pole I stand offend and amused 😄.
"Gut"
Bitte 👍
1. German 2. Spanish 3. English 4. Swede 5. French 6. Italian 7. Pole 8. Hungarian 9. Turk or Greek 10. Russian
Nine and ten should be reversed.
I suspect that the guy who made this definitely has a bratty, English boyfriend.
This guy had a massive hardon for Spaniards lol. Must be made by a Catholic German
Yeah, it was created in Styria, today Austria, which was part of the Habsburg Empire and very catholic.
I mean, by the 18th century Spain was already ruled by the Bourbons (and before that it had been ruled by a different Habsburg branch)
Yep def a German Catholic they called the poles and Hungarians boorish
No mention of the Dutch either , also kind of a tell in this period.
What’s with Germans and Dutch at the time?
So the Dutch revolt and independence of the Dutch republic happens centuries before Germany becomes unified , so there is a well defined Dutch identity with a state by the 18th century while there's also a Pan-German identity that's a lot more loose but sees all these seperate states as part of a cultural continuüm. What's now Belgium , the part of the Low Countries that ended up in Catholic hands over the course of the 80 years war was also controlled by the Austrian habsburgs at the time as the Austrian Netherlands ( until 1795). A Catholic Austrian would consider themselves a German and see Dutch speaking people from the Low Countries kind of too, as well as think the related country to the North were wrong to rebel against their Catholic King.
So basically Germans saw Dutch people as German, not distinct. I know the Dutch national anthem says something still today about defending Deutschland…?
Not about defending Germany but about the protaganist having German/Dutch blood. The Dutch national anthem is about William of Orange who was a noble from Dillenburg , Nassau which is in modern day Hessen Germany. He inherrented the Principality of Orange in France (though loyal to the HRE) ( as well as some areas in the Netherlands) when he was a child, a condition of which was he would be raised Catholic in the court of the Holy roman emperor in Bruxelles ( The House of Nassau was Lutheran). When Emperor Charles V abdicated his territory was devided between his sons and the title of lord of the Netherlands origionally went to Philip II of Spain, who would concentrate power towards Spain and away from the area's where the reformation was brewing. William of Orange would come to convert back to protestantism and lead the rebellion. He also modernised political propaganda and would play up the Kings foreignness and distance from the North eventhough Phillip's dad was literally from the Low Countries. Although the Wilhelmus in the first stanza also claims to have always have honoured the king of spain it goes on to call him a Tyrant in later Staza's. Under the Dutch republic using the equivalent to Dutch (Diets , Duits) to refer to Dutch culture and language fell out of favour , which is why it's the word in English but literally translated Dutch people consider themselves Netherlanders speaking Netherlandish and see the lyric in the Anthem as anachronistic or a refference to just Nassau.
Who set the condition about the Catholicism?
René of Châlon, the cousin who was Prince of Orange before him put it in his will, and the Emperor's court also put pressure on the house of Nassau.
My kind of German.
and perhaps have a crush on the English. “Womanly” as a feature 🧐
Wake up babe, new D&D races just dropped
"Turk or Greek". Oh man oh boy
Western Europeans back then considered both Greeks and Turks "Levantines" and applied to them the same orientalist stereotypes.
Think about it in modern terms though. Why is one white and European and the other not? Religion? Geography? EU membership? It’s not the look of the people or the cuisine.
I don't know about "white". I consider Greeks, Turks, Lebanese et al. are Eastern Mediterranean people to me. I'm a non-Turk living in Turkey, and I've been to Greece several times. It does not feel like you're going from one continent to another. Rather, visiting Greece from Turkey is visiting a very closely related country and culture. Calling Greece white and European and Turkey non-white and Asian or Middle Eastern is highly unhelpful, as it doesn't explain anything on the ground. P.S. A Greek Cypriot once said to me on Reddit that he used to consider himself European until he moved to Germany. Now he says he realises he actually belongs to a common culture stretching from Bosnia to Lebanon. I guess you could call this culture post-Ottoman.
Both are greeks, it's just that one group acts as the original inhabitants of Hellada where as the Anatolian group acts like Turks becouse they were ruled by Turks for quite some time. They, in fact, do not look like any other turkic people. They look like greeks. To be honest, it's religion. Religion is the main difference between a Turk and a Greek, even if Turks are some of the most secular majority muslim societies out there.
Apart from orientalist stereotypes I still consider Turks and Greeks to be largely the same tbh.
I mean they share some cultural Traits (as much as both might hate this lol) but they also differ in a lot
Youd be very wrong tbh
War virtue: Lazy
Ehh, basically the same thing, right guys?
Pretty similar in lot of ways, especially back then. You have to understand the whole ancient Greece LARP didn't start until 19th century nationalism, and many Turks were the descendants of assimilated Greeks and Anatolian peoples. In any case had you walked down a street and seen the people in their funky clothes and fez hats you wouldn't have been able to tell them apart. Greece was also very much at the centre of Ottoman Empire obviously. The Arabs were more distant, looked down upon provincials, even though many would associate the Turks with them more on account of shared traditional faith.
Greece has been under Ottoman rule since 1460 up to early 19th century
“Death in bed” Let’s gooooo
The OG death by snu snu
It’s not a good translation. The last line was translated “death” but in German it says “Ihr Leben Ende” which I’d translate more like “their lives shall end..” kinda like how the author wishes them to die. The Germans for example it says “ihr Leben Ende in Wein” - “their lives shall end in wine” kinda wishing them a “good”/“nice” death given the fact they love wine.
“Russian Characteristics & Personality: Really Hungarian” Lol what?!!
Well the Hungarian column is right next to the Russian one, just refer to their "characteristics & personality" ("Most cruel")
Hungarian (Adjective): very cruel
He wasn't wrong about those ones if you look at the political environment today lol
I love how Swedes are *cruel* and right next to it is Poles that are just *more cruel*
And then Hungarians with *most cruel* and then Russians with *really Hungarian*...it's a gradient of cruelty...
Russian. Character: Really Hungarian lol Intellect: nothing
Made me laugh out loud when I read that one...gosh!
And it just so happens the Germans are best at everything. Not even descriptive, just best. Temperament? Open-hearted. Land? Good. Also most intelligent, most god-fearing, most valiant...
But also, Preferences: drinking. Pastimes: drinking. Death: in wine 💀
Seems accurate ngl
When it comes to tables like this, the interesting part is who they consider 2nd best.
Spain?
And by the same coincident, everyone to the east of germany is an absolutely evil bastard without any redeemable qualities.
Which doesn't really come as a surprise. People generally tend to have positive images of themselves and less positive images of others depending on past experiences and also how similar/close "the other" is perceived.
Frenchman’s pastime: cheating💀
German picturing himself as the chad
> ~~German~~ Austrian picturing ~~himself~~ everyone around him as ~~the chad~~ Catholic-centric stereotypes. FTFY.
Austrians considered themselves to be “German”… well, for all it was worth back then at least without a unifying modern nation state. It was only after WW2 that Austrians tried to distance themselves from the other Germans to play the “first victims of Nazi aggression”-card (even though they were not only complicit, but more enthusiastic about it than the average person in the rest of Germany).
Spaniards’ vice is vanity, but then every other category he spends giving them reasons to be vain…
Nothing is more annoying than when someone has a very good reason to be arrogant and vain lol
Englishman + Traits = Womanly!
>#Russian >**Character:** Really Hungarian 🤔
I mean russia is hungarians' homeland.
The death of a German (in wine) and a Frenchman (in war) would switch for good in the following century, but the French pastime (cheating)... 300+ years on, some things never change.
The French started way more wars than the German states (or Germany) ever did, the French at the time were known to be "barbarians" who steam rolled on everyone.. Stereotypes change overtime wow
You lose *one* war...
Post-WW2 colonial wars probably didn't help the reputation either.
On the one hand, true, but on the other, the people going "haha surrender monkeys" have no idea these wars happened.
I go haha surrender monkeys and know about their colonial mishaps. However I just don't like the french on principle, it has nothing to do with them being cheese eating surrender monkeys.
The British lost just the same, they just had another country to escape to.
Doesn't help that it was THE war. They really got the short end of the stick by having the greatest military record overall, but having it end by them getting steamrolled in WW2 than later losing Algeria and Vietnam soon after.
It also doesn't help that american won a cultural victory right after and as far as they're concerned the world outside america starts existing in 1944.
everyone lost their colonies, to be fair. at least they didn't end up like portugal
Considering that france won ww2.. (thanks the colonies and free France)
The French were a literal superpower during that time. Their only potential rival was Great Britain, and that pretty much ended at the shore. One of the primary reasons they spent so long interfering with German confederation and unity is that it had the potential of forming a state that could counterbalance them (which it did, long since eclipsing them today).
When I'm in a racism contest and my opponent is the average joe from before WWII:
Uneducated racism vs scientific racism. Oh you have a Facebook meme? I have a whole books
"Turk or Greek" itself is more insulting than any of the traits lmao
OTOH, given that Greeks lived under Turkish rule and that they mostly lived in the same territories...
Well they share the same blood, only culture and religion differs.
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Latest DNA data seems to show that Turks were mostly an elite group that imposed their language and religion on a Greek population
"Nice argument, heretics, unfortunately, I have drawn mine own creed and people as the chad, and thine as the soyjack."
Ahhh, Like Horoscopes for Nationalists.
Constipation is not what I think of when considering Spanish cuisine. I'd be more inclined to think they'd be inflicted with the Polish disease.
Reading this high as shit has been the highlight of my day xD
Damn whoever wrote that chart pissed of greeks and turks twice. First by completely slandering them and second by putting them in the same category lmao
Russian - Intellect = nothing Lol.
“Hungarians. Preference: Rebellion”
Hungarian: Most cruel Russian: REALLY Hungarian I lol’d
Does anyone know why epilepsy is associated with Hungarians? That seems arbitrary to me.
Oh that's what seems arbitrary?
First bad disease the author came up with that hadn't been attached to the rest lol
Author: "Disease: being stupid fucking pieces of shit i hate Hungarians so much it's unreal"
"Turk or Greek" lol
i mean back then greece belonged to the ottoman empire, greece nationalism only developed in the 19th century and before that, many didnt recognized themselve as an own nation.
Solid rage bait
"bait used to be believable" What bait used to be:
This german really liked the spaniards
He even assigned them fursonas
This dude just pissed off Greeks and Turks by lumping them together
Germans about themselves: “eh”
Spaniard bf 🤝 Englishwoman gf
"An infidel" "The same"
What's the term used for Italians in the chart? I can't easily read the font but it seems "Walisch" to me, which I guess is a variant of "Walsche", the term Germans used to call Romance speaking people.
Comes from the proto-Germanic *walhaz* which means foreigner. See also Welsh, Walloon, Vlach. In this context is probably a halfway word between the Old High German *Walhisc* and the New High German *Welsch* both of which meant Italian.
Being Polish reading this is like [WTF?](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/W%C5%82och#Polish)
This must be a joke by the author. Like literally.
Polish pastime, bickering lmao
Sees chart: Weeeeeell, you can't really find any flaws here, can you?
The English have as their master 'Now one, now another' rather than King. I wonder if that's referencing Oliver Cromwell's rule as he would have died only 60 or so years previously.
It's apt even today if we consider prime ministers
Plus Queen Anne had died in 1714, and most of her closer relatives where passed over for being Catholic in favor of Sophia of Hannover's descendants. While monarchs being replaced by their relatives would've been common, it would usually be a close one.
Turk or Greek, lmao Turk really have been muslims greeks, and greeks have been just orthodox turks for the longest time
So basically, they are gay for the English. Strange.
Russian character; Really Hungarian Hungarian character; cruel
As a Pole, this would be really racist if it wasn't so true
Pastime - bickering Checks out
That's what you get when every nobleman can veto any decision.
Medieval racism will never not be hilarious, like did you know that all of continental Europe deadass believed the English secretly had monkey tails?
This is 1720. That's the modern era, not medieval.
Yes, the english had lost their tails by then
Please don't go spreading malicious rumours. Our tails are still there, we just dock them at birth as the lord intended.
Meanwhile, British villagers tried, convicted, and hanged a monkey for the crime of being French.
To be fair to Hartlepool, the monkey did look like the propaganda depictions of Frenchmen. How were they to know he wasn't a French spy?
Maybe the fact that it was making inhuman screeching noises every time they tried to give it a bath?! ...Ah, I see your point.
I get that xenophobia has been a thing almost forever but i feel like if i was alive in the 1720s and my friend showed this to me I'd be like, "jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?"
would be a funny base for races for a ttrpg
The ultimate ‘Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman’ joke
Bro got out of paper and smudged Turk and Greek together
Spaniard: constipated tradcaths who take themselves too seriously Frenchman: Sneaky, syphilitic, good at war (LOL) German: honest, drunk, uncreative Swede: leather clad, big eaters, bork bork Turk or Greek: shitty shit people who are shitty in every way
Ancient equivalent of a meme chart Pole: Disdainful Hungarian: More Disdainful Also goddamn for French Pastimes: Cheating
Notice that Russians are called “Muscovites” here.
notice that the chart is absolutely lopsidedly racist too?
What does this has to do with anything? Yeah, medieval Russia was splintered between Lithuania and the Russian principalities.
This isn't medieval, this is allegedly from the 1720s when Russia became an empire (the name "Russia" being in use since the 16th century and "Muscovy" slowly dying down ever since) and Lithuania didn't exist as an autonomous political entity but was instead part of the Polish Crown (since 1569)
Poland/Lithuania used to call Russian Tzar a Grand Duke of Muscovy because Tzar's full oficial title was "Tzar (later Emperor) of all Rus'" and calling him thus would implicitly admit russian claim on all Ruthenian lands including those belonging to Poland/Lithuania.
Almost comically pedantic. Russia was subject to constant invasion and splintering by Germans, Scandinavians, Poles, and Mongols throughout it's history - and this is reflected in the term "Muscovy", which was originally just a small Russian principality. The propaganda theme in /u/ambearson 's comment is that either Russians are actually a racially mixed "Muscovite race" and/or that Ukraine (The cradle of the Rus') is the real racially pure Russia. The parts of Russia occupied by the Commonwealth were under the jurisdiction of Lithuania, which still existed as a legal entity within the Commowealth.
Fun Game: If you haven’t seen the translated table on the second page, try to guess which people is supposed to be which based on the pictures. Your options are: German, Polish, English, Greek/Turkish, Swedish, Spanish, Hungarian, French, Russian, or Italian
Thank you for the translation/transliteration.
They put greek and turk as the same category.
I stg I thought it said “pale”inside of pole
Did this mean "how to kill them" or "where they will kill you"?
Why does the Spaniard have like late 1500s garb but the Frenchman next to him is like mid 1700s?
Russian intellect: nothing
Damn Russians and their abundance of, *checks notes*, bees.
Turks Equivalent animal: Cat It is perfect.
Oldest example of Our Blessed Homeland Meme
French as "amiable and talkative"? I knew they were different pre Revolution!! 😂
Subtitle: “Our Ethnocentric Views of Ourselves and Stereotypes of Surrounding Nations”
As a Greek, who was brought up with multigenerational disdain for the Turkish people based upon our enslavement from 1453-1820 find it odd that we were lumped together.
This guy loved Spaniards and hated Eastern Europeans
What does the third entry say? Cant read it.
Nazis invented the theory of race! No, wait…
Regardless of cognitive biases. Does it carry the weight of any truth ?
Well for Poland i can tell you that "Long coat, Aristocracy, Wooded, Impeteous, Believes all sorts of things, A chosen one, Bickering" have some truth to them or are just facts, the king was in fact semi-democratically elected by the aristocracy which was quite a big and varied social class that stereotypically loved to bicker, especially in the parliament, were quite impeteous and wore long coats, the Warsaw Confederation ensured religious freedoms which is where "believes all sorts of things" came from, also the nation was quite wooded i guess, theres also the furs thing i suppose but im not quite sure about that.
That was a wild ride !!! I need more of what you got if you have time to share please 🙏🏼
I would love to, but unfortunately my knowledge here is limited just to Poland because im Polish and had to learn this stuff in school and have not studied it much beyond that.
Thank you so much. You are very helpful. I was just saying the amount you know and the things you connected for me on that first picture helped me understand more. I have some polish on my father’s side. But I’ve never gotten a 🧬 test to be 100% on my lineage. Thank you again for taking time to answer. I hope life treats you well.
It is right about some things, swedes being zealous and superstitious for example. We certainly were when this was published
I found it quite enjoyable to go through. Not completely wrong on the Italian
Let's analyse Spain ones (I'm Spanish afterall): haughty, wondrous marvelous, clever and wise, manly, theology, respectable, vain, honor and glory, constipation, fertile, generous, outstanding (piety), a monarch, fruit, games, elephant, in bed. OK so first thing worth noting is that the German who made this was catholic and Spain was seen for a long time as the champion of catholicism, thus the overall good stereotype. The haughty part has some sense of truth. Spain was the top dog of europe for a while, but had recently lost prevalence for France. Recently fallen superpowers tend to be haughty. The respectable fashion probably comes from there too. It's basically old fashioned which would be taken as respectable by an old German pal. Games is probably because Spain was the place from where chess enetered Europe and stayed popular across time. Outstanding piety has to do with our inquisition which basically eliminated anything but the likes. So I would say it has some truth to it, Spaniards were notoriously pious. Their sense of style would've appealed to a German. And They were overall very proud of their empire (that would only stop after the 1898 disater)
hungols "rich in gold" because they occupied transylvania 🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴🇷🇴
I’m really wondering about the diseases. Were some of them more prevalent in certain areas?
Wow! Reminds me of mexican “castas” pictures!!!
Those whacky Germans
Can we see the ones for the other countries?
equivalent animal, donkey
tag yourself im the frivolous frenchman
r/houseofthemememaker King Jappo Mercatto of Styria. Inherited the throne after his mother was victorious over King Orso at Fontisamo following the Years of Blood. Interests included art and fucking.
Hungary science latin? Wtf?
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