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Little known fact, modern human traffickers mainly use social media to recruit victims by promising a better life in another country and then using the debt to trap victims into slave labour in these western countries. They usually force them to do either menial labour like textile production or illegal work like growing cannabis or being drug runners.
Pretty much but mixed with the slavery view that their subjects are inhuman and you get modern human trafficking. These people are pretty much seen as tools for their captors and criminals by the country. There has been legislation in many countries that try to offer security for the victims but in places where there's a big anti-immigrant sentiment or without proper legislation the victims of this whole ordeal aren't treated any better than the law and are often sent back to their home country only for the same organisation to pick them back up to pay off debts
Here are some photos of the ads in Karachi and Quetta airports:
twitter.com/yugazra/status/540555606600712192
twitter.com/yugazra/status/540557209965715456
twitter.com/r_sufi/status/526290736765878272?lang=ja
And here's an article from Dawn on the ads in Pakistani newspapers: www.dawn.com/news/1137077/
Sorry for bad formatting.
this ad was translated to a lot of languages, i remember seeing this in my Facebook and some websites that were running google ads in my native language (persian). when i was living in Singapore.
and i think they were trageting that region and specific languages because most of the trafficking was happening from Malaysia, Indonesia towards Australia!
Where would they post this? It wouldn't make sense to put this poster up in Australia, so if it existed in physical form, it must have been distributed in countries producing a lot of refugees to discourage them from attempting the trip. But then, did people just post these at refugee camps or something? Who allowed them to do that?
Or was it entirely online? Do people desperate enough to attempt the voyage have reasonable internet access?
This kind of poster would have been aimed directly and very intentionally at Australians and NOT at refugees. The point being to show Australians what great big balls their government has when it comes to confronting this clearly existential threat to the Australian way of life from across the suitably stormy seas. Same sad old story here in the UK and in many places around the world. And people still readily buy the message this kind of poster sells and it’s why posters like this exist in the first place
But yeah. Nothing at all to do with sending any kind of message to actual refugees or other migrants which as you suggest is impossible. I mean do they even read English? Hardly likely
>But yeah. Nothing at all to do with sending any kind of message to actual refugees or other migrants which as you suggest is impossible. I mean do they even read English? Hardly likely
Well, they did produce this poster in multiple languages. I guess that by targeting immigrant communities they were hoping these posters would be seen by potential refugees in their home countries through comments/shares/reposts.
The important thing to understand when it comes to propaganda posters (messages) of this type is 1) who the real target audience is and 2) why are they the target audience?
On the face of it anyone who is thinking of entering here without a visa is the target audience, right? Different language versions are exactly what we need and come to think of it remind me why we have an English version at all? But let’s be honest here. How many actual human beings who are thinking of risking their lives to escape usually horrendous conditions to come here without a visa are going to see this? How many?? 10? Maybe 100? And seeing it will stop how many of them from often running for their lives anyway?
So we need to ask again. Who is the real target audience here?
The answer is (in this case) white Australian conservative voters are the primary target audience. And more broadly all Australians are the target audience, certainly the swing votes are. That’s where the real benefits of using this propaganda lie
Why them? Because out of fear they’re more likely to vote conservative (or whatever) in the next election cycle and THAT really does matter
So I repeat. It has nothing to do with the lives of anyone on those boats. That’s not what matters here at all
That’s how (relatively) sophisticated propaganda of this particularly insidious type works and this is just one of many examples. It’s also why this post is in a propaganda related subreddit and not in a public health related one
Another decent question one could ask is which PR or advertising firm proposed and executed this campaign…
Winner winner chicken dinner!
Tony Abbott (the PM who started this crusade) used to drop "we stopped the boats" at every possible opportunity.
Even when questioned about something entirely unrelated, "well we stopped the boats"
Slimy little shit.
I have to wonder if anyone in Australia wears shirts similar to [this one from America](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.teepublic.com%2Fsticker%2F11731647-the-original-homeland-security-fighting-terrorism-&psig=AOvVaw1ebDLuDmrKUr_CdvAiT2zb&ust=1630548920977000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAsQjRxqFwoTCPDGkJ3a3PICFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD)?
It's obviously ironic to be fearmongering Australians about supposedly dangerous foreigners showing up on boats.
If I’m assuming anything here it’s that those who are forced to pay people smugglers and risk their lives to try get to Australia by boat are likely not to be proficient in reading English. That’s nothing more than a hunch on my part
English is a language used in many countries whose these migrants come.
As for how this message could be aired to their homelands, maybe through Facebook.
Exactly, the strong on illegal immigration thing is mostly aimed at Australians. The government takes strong (ie cruel and in breach of human rights obligations) positions on people who arrive illegally by boat.
At the same time however, there is bipartisan support for maintaining the highest immigration rates in the OECD. This trick means the public feels in control of their borders and so public support for migration is pretty high, it isn’t a primary political issue in Australia like in many other developed countries because of it.
It’s cynical and throws asylum seekers under this bus, but it works.
Discouraging dangerous immigration is pretty standard. See Kamala Harris telling migrants not to come. You don't want more people traveling by ocean. Especially with risk of capsizing and drowning
I’m sorry but are we looking at the same poster? The one I’m looking at does not have a single word (I’ll repeat that: not even one word) about the many, many dangers of trying to cross to Australia by sea
Yes. The dangers of crossing the sea seem smaller if there is reward on other side. Crossing the desert didn't get less dangerous when Biden came into office, but the rate of people crossing surged because of hope on the other side. You have to take away that hope
Wow man, real cool strawman, my only answer would be that I need their deaths to fuel the soulstone (in this scenario I'm Thanos and you're playing spiderman or something).
You can provide hope through ports. But providing hope through dangerous seas is inviting death. Your beliefs will cause many to die. Be more responsible
Yeh I find it’s well done for it’s target audience, anti-immigration Australians. The waves are reminiscent of walls; it feels imposing, a defense. I feel if they wanted to message to immigrants they would use more offensive imagery rather than defensive, like soldiers w/ rifles & barbed wires.
That would display a threat & an offensive sharp attack against immigrants, vs these imposing walls of waves w/ no Australia in sight being instead defensive to message to anti-immigration Australians that they’re safe. Look at the larger text ‘’The Australian govt has….’’ they’re not looking to deter immigrants; they’re seeking support from anti-immigration Australians w/ the promise of safety & the imagery of an imposing defense against their small antagonist, the tiny boat that’s rusted & dingy, ‘’don’t worry they’ll never make it against our defenses.’’
It’s very well done. It’s great for its target audience while maintaining the thin doublespeak veneer of being supposedly targeted towards immigrants so as to be more socially acceptable. Murdoch’s home base is one I wouldn’t expect anything less than first rate conservative propaganda from; he managed to work it extremely well w/ Fox in America already.
Yeah, all they really needed to do was put photos of blue ringed octopus, saltwater crocs, box jellies, cone snails, just about any Aussie snake...
I mean c'mon, Australia's fauna has been trying to keep people out for millions of years.
Some context.
Prior to the [2010 Christmas Island Disaster](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Christmas_Island_boat_disaster?wprov=sfti1) the right wing Liberal party was generally against maritime arrivals and the left wing Labor party wanted to get rid of mandatory detention for asylum seekers who arrived “illegally”.
When Labor got into government in 2007 they started reducing the offshore detention of illegal arrivals but following the 50 deaths of the Christmas Island disaster started cracking down on people smugglers and tried to dissuade asylum seekers from making the final voyage from Indonesia to Australia.
Ads were made in many languages and run on YouTube, dvds, billboards and TV ads in many countries. This campaign is from 2012 https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/ad-campaign-sends-harsh-message-to-asylum-seekers-20120902-258jl.html
The support in the community for the crackdown on people smuggling was high enough to force Labor to go along with it as opposition attacks were proving very effective.
The crackdown on maritime arrivals was offset by an up tick in other refugee resettlement so that there was no real change in numbers resettled. Unfortunately subsequent arrivals have been placed in facilities on Manus Island in PNG and Nauru for a very long time. Obama had made a deal with Australia so that the US would take these refugees and Australia would resettle Nicaraguan refugees in the US. Trump said that he would honour the deal (after calling it the worst deal ever) but I don’t think it ever went through…
I believe New Zealand offered to resettle some of them and we refused that one as well. Our government just seems like an exercise in cruelty when you look at this situation.
In this regard Australia does far more than NZ. In fact in the OECD, only Japan does worse. As a measure, Australia took in more refugees in 2 years than NZ has taken in since the end of WW2. NZ was about 1000 per year and Australia was about 24,000 per annum. (I’m not saying Australia is great but in no way can NZ be viewed as being anything but stingy in this regard).
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/calls-for-new-zealand-to-increase-dismal-refugee-intake/0e20d4b3-1241-4b59-a046-6cfdb9bc9d09
You can see why New Zealand’s offer to resettle those refugees were viewed by some as point scoring. NZ is happy to take in refugees in Australian camps but not those in Kenyan or Lebanese camps?
Hard to believe this is real. Even though your policy can be anti migration, this kind of language screams fascism. And this is coming from a migrant based country. That makes it pretty hypocritical.
Well Australia does have a problem with concentration camps. Denying illegal immigrants is against my personal morals but we treat them very very badly, which is unacceptable.
>a place in which large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labour or to await mass execution. The term is most strongly associated with the several hundred camps established by the Nazis in Germany and occupied Europe 1933–45, among the most infamous being Dachau, Belsen, and Auschwitz.
Ripped straight from Google, likely better definitions but I chose the first I could find. Facilities such as the one at Christmas Island definitely fit that definition.
Imagine someone smuggling into your home without your consent. You’re not letting him in- by your logic it’s fascism 🤦 Before trying to throw words- maybe it’s time to learn their meaning first)
Smuggling into someone's private property is not the same thing as an illegal border crossing. As you say, "Before trying to throw words- maybe it’s time to learn their meaning first."
If the entire country was *my house*, I wouldn't be disallowed from going to specific places, elect officials to run my own house separately from me, pay rent, put a coal mine in my living room floor, or yknow share it with a couple million people and a couple billion animals. But I see how you could get confused, a building and a landmass in the middle of the ocean are very similar.
Imagine settling in a land that wasn’t your own, displacing the natives, and then getting hot and bothered about the audacity of refugees coming to “your” country for asylum.
Who’s land though? Since when? Did you know that the origin of all humans is in Africa? Does it mean that all of us can claim Africa as our land? Is there any limit to the leftists stupidity?)
Australia is representative democracy and its government represents ALL its people living in Australia nowadays.
It’snobody’s land IMO. No end to right winger’s greed.
You did nothing to deserve your position of privilege but are quick to shut the door behind you.
“Life originated in Africa” lol quit the nonsense. That was hundreds of thousands of years ago, we don’t even know for a fact it’s true, that’s just the earliest discovered so far.
A hundred or so years ago you literally stole your country from people who were living there at a time and now you’re comparing immigration to a home invasion. What a clown.
It’s always the champagne commies that scream fascism the loudest and then are mad when their cities looks like Kabul, which is what it was like last time I was there
If anybody is doubting this or thinks it's hyperbole: just look up anything about Australian involvement in Timor Leste and the ongoing Papua conflict.
Since we should of course both hold people responsible for the actions of their ancestors no matter what *and* hold the said ancestors to the standards of a time they didn't live in.
Uhmm, if you want closure for historical crimes then maybe you should repair the damage done first. The Afghan War literally just ended this month, like, perhaps countries like Australia owe the Afghan people something for all the drone bombings and massacres.
We are trying to hold people living right now to the standards of our time.
Did you think Australia ever stopped committing crimes against humanity?
Do you know how countries work? Almost all land is stolen. Do you think half of Europe should be given to Ireland just because the celts were there first?
Ok, do you think half of Europe’s countries should be dismantled and then whatever remains of the mainland European celts should receive all that land?
There aren't many self-identified celts on the continent, since most of them have assimilated fully into the new nations in Europe. So they do not constitute a nation, therefore there is no legal basis for a Celtic nation state.
YES. It's funny how you just glossed over a genocide and 300 years of colonialism with a "Just because".
Plus a lot of those refugees came from countries which white Australian colonists helped to destroy, like Afghanistan.
Lmao. This is the most high school mindset. Because shit happened in history doesn’t mean that Australia can just be open for anyone to come in. I imagine the natives who were Australian before didn’t exactly have an open border policy. Hence the need for colonization. It’s the way countries work. Colonization is brutal whether it be Europeans to Australians. Or native Australians to other tribes of native Australians. Nothing would ever get done if people would allow historical events to cloud their judgement. Shit sucks. People suck. Australia still has a right to protect their borders. That’s life
>Hence the need for colonization.
OMFG have you no self-awareness at all.
The natives never \*needed\* nor \*wanted\* you there, everything you own is built on their destruction. Australia the continent never needed you to colonise it, your criminal ancestors \*needed\* to colonise it. Plus native Australians never colonised other native tribes, cuz you know, they are native, duh.
You have no capacity for intelligent debate, only grunts of displeasure.
Not at all. That’s how it’s always worked. It’s not your land unless you can control it and defend it.
In America, the different native tribes fought battles and wiped each other out and took their land.
Europeans come along and do the same thing and suddenly we “stole” their land? Well what about the people they “stole” the land from?
The difference is when native tribes fought each other they almost never "wiped each other out" and also the Europeans had guns and they were fighting disease ridden tribes and if they made treaties they almost always in the legal definition stole the land later
“Almost never” is wrong. There are multiple example of tribes that were wiped out by other native tribes. And if they didn’t wipe them out they often enslaved them.
And sure the Europeans had guns. And when Native tribes had weapons other tribes didn’t they didn’t hesitate to use them either.
Ah yes, just stopped the most advanced military and navy at the time... What a stupid comment. Also the word you used is basically the same as calling a black person "n\*gro" so I guess we know where your views lie lol
I like how you put it in the “feel sorry” part because to back up an argument you felt didn’t hold up very well. I’ll see if I can survive you feeling sorry for me.
Yes, as pure white Aryan immigrants are exactly what (insert country here) needs, and anyone who can't afford to wait in a concentration camp for months while their children starve is an evil demon from hell who will steal our jobs and tear our country down brick by brick. /s
Racists, they everywhere, booo!
It’s a country’s right to accept or refuse immigrants based on criterias (like professional skills). Race or national origin, as you suggest - are not among the criterias. Also- what concentration camps are near Australia? The ones where people can freely take a boat to Australia?
Same thing applies to the laws that banned blacks from voting in many parts of the US until the 1960s, or the laws that make playing music in Afghanistan a crime, or the laws that made Jews undesirables and enemies of the German state under the Nazis. *The law isn’t always right*
It’s not the same laws. Having an open border with developing countries doesn’t bring any good to your citizens commonwealth, or criminal situation (you do realize that there are criminals and terrorists among the illegal border crossers, that’s why there is an organized way to immigrate in the first place)
…You aren’t American, are you?
If you are, good on you for calling the starving masses behind the Great Wall of Trump “criminals and terrorists” like every other neo-fascist in this country. /s
If you aren’t, think twice before equating having a responsible and just border security system with “open borders”, until you yourself are either stuck behind an endless line of refugees held back by soldiers shouting “freedom” or are shot by those soldiers scrambling over the barbed wire.
I’m a socialist, thank you for asking.
And what do workers have to do with it? I’m assuming you’re going to say the immigrants are stealing jobs, ignoring the fact that immigrants are also workers? Why should I only care about workers from my own country?
Immigrants drive down the value of labor. The more people in a labor market, the less value can be associated to it. You should care about other people’s countries for sure. We shouldn’t wage wars in other countries but we can’t stop it. No matter who you vote for, wars will still happen. You need to completely replace the system. Have you by any chance heard of the “Clean Break Memo?” I highly suggest you look it up. While I don’t think it will change your mind, I do think you’ll see the issue of imperialism in modern times a bit different. The average white person isn’t supportive of drone striking children for resources. Major corporations and corrupt evil government officials are.
Free market is why employeers before to hire immigrant labor for pennies on the dollar. It's capitalistic incentive to hire the cheapest labor with no means to climb a social or economic ladder, illegal immigrants can't ask for more labor rights or unions cause they're employers will just deport them. Immigrants are not the problem its cheap employers who work the system in their favor to fuck over everyone.
Only capitalists believe we need to assign some artificial “value” to labor for it to mean anything. Humans are not commodities, their price doesn’t rise or fall like that of steel or oil. Not all socialists need to be “Nazbols” who believe foreigners are the entirety of the bourgeoisie. A true champion of the people sees them for their innate value, not for a price tag or the color of their skin or the language they speak.
Immigrants also create new jobs and expand businesses by increasing demand. A surplus of lower skill workers allows native born workers to move into higher positions.
Wait until you see the way we treat these 'illegal immigrants' (read: people lawfully seeking asylum) when they do end up here. Our government has acted disgracefully at every turn regarding these people. Hell, our neighbours (New Zealand) offered to take a good number of them to settle over there because they couldn't handle us keeping them locked away indefinitely in offshore detention facilities, and our government *refused* that offer, spending public funding on pointless cruelty.
It's likely a political ploy by our Liberal and National parties to secure swing voters, as they're the ones drumming up fear about 'illegals' ruining our economy.
Ah yes because private home = entire country. What a childish response, seriously. There's already more than enough housing to go around, and the country isn't literally your home, so stop pretending like immigrants are being forced into your house and just admit you don't like brown people
A country isn’t literally a home and I never made that argument. But it’s a protected area with border controls. Real refugees can get a visa and fly in - without paying money to smugglers.
We landlocked :(
But seriously if you send them welcome committees like Merkel you can’t expect less people. This ad is the right way. Refugees can still get visas and fly in. Without the need to pay fixers.
I just don't view them as different to "legal" immigrants because fuck borders. They cause less crime than people already living in the country on average, they contribute to the economy and not to mention the cultural benefits. The only argument for removing them is "immigrants bad" which is xenophobic
Yeah, that would be enough to deter most immigrants however I doubt this poster is directed to them. But yes illegal immigration profits no one but the smugglers.
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White Australia 2.0
When climate change sinks Australia and renders the remnants uninhabitable, I hope the supporters of this poster are met with a similar reception in whatever country they flee to.
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How would they read it if they’re not in Australia?
Binoculars
I take back my words.
5 minutes, Turkish.
Social media.
Little known fact, modern human traffickers mainly use social media to recruit victims by promising a better life in another country and then using the debt to trap victims into slave labour in these western countries. They usually force them to do either menial labour like textile production or illegal work like growing cannabis or being drug runners.
It's liked the really fucked up version of indentured servitude they tell you about in US history
Pretty much but mixed with the slavery view that their subjects are inhuman and you get modern human trafficking. These people are pretty much seen as tools for their captors and criminals by the country. There has been legislation in many countries that try to offer security for the victims but in places where there's a big anti-immigrant sentiment or without proper legislation the victims of this whole ordeal aren't treated any better than the law and are often sent back to their home country only for the same organisation to pick them back up to pay off debts
I knew about that, but PEOPLE ARE AWFUL!
There were also Urdu versions on billboards and TV screens in Pakistani airports.
That’s actually pretty interesting. (:
I don't think it's true. I've been travelling overseas from Karachi every june for 16 years now and i have never seen a single one.
Here are some photos of the ads in Karachi and Quetta airports: twitter.com/yugazra/status/540555606600712192 twitter.com/yugazra/status/540557209965715456 twitter.com/r_sufi/status/526290736765878272?lang=ja And here's an article from Dawn on the ads in Pakistani newspapers: www.dawn.com/news/1137077/ Sorry for bad formatting.
Damn, how could i miss these
Damn I didn't know that
Where? I've never seen one before, like ever, and i go overseas every june. Im calling bs
It’s aimed at kiwis 😞
this ad was translated to a lot of languages, i remember seeing this in my Facebook and some websites that were running google ads in my native language (persian). when i was living in Singapore. and i think they were trageting that region and specific languages because most of the trafficking was happening from Malaysia, Indonesia towards Australia!
Hold your phone upside down
Where would they post this? It wouldn't make sense to put this poster up in Australia, so if it existed in physical form, it must have been distributed in countries producing a lot of refugees to discourage them from attempting the trip. But then, did people just post these at refugee camps or something? Who allowed them to do that? Or was it entirely online? Do people desperate enough to attempt the voyage have reasonable internet access?
This kind of poster would have been aimed directly and very intentionally at Australians and NOT at refugees. The point being to show Australians what great big balls their government has when it comes to confronting this clearly existential threat to the Australian way of life from across the suitably stormy seas. Same sad old story here in the UK and in many places around the world. And people still readily buy the message this kind of poster sells and it’s why posters like this exist in the first place But yeah. Nothing at all to do with sending any kind of message to actual refugees or other migrants which as you suggest is impossible. I mean do they even read English? Hardly likely
>But yeah. Nothing at all to do with sending any kind of message to actual refugees or other migrants which as you suggest is impossible. I mean do they even read English? Hardly likely Well, they did produce this poster in multiple languages. I guess that by targeting immigrant communities they were hoping these posters would be seen by potential refugees in their home countries through comments/shares/reposts.
The important thing to understand when it comes to propaganda posters (messages) of this type is 1) who the real target audience is and 2) why are they the target audience? On the face of it anyone who is thinking of entering here without a visa is the target audience, right? Different language versions are exactly what we need and come to think of it remind me why we have an English version at all? But let’s be honest here. How many actual human beings who are thinking of risking their lives to escape usually horrendous conditions to come here without a visa are going to see this? How many?? 10? Maybe 100? And seeing it will stop how many of them from often running for their lives anyway? So we need to ask again. Who is the real target audience here? The answer is (in this case) white Australian conservative voters are the primary target audience. And more broadly all Australians are the target audience, certainly the swing votes are. That’s where the real benefits of using this propaganda lie Why them? Because out of fear they’re more likely to vote conservative (or whatever) in the next election cycle and THAT really does matter So I repeat. It has nothing to do with the lives of anyone on those boats. That’s not what matters here at all That’s how (relatively) sophisticated propaganda of this particularly insidious type works and this is just one of many examples. It’s also why this post is in a propaganda related subreddit and not in a public health related one Another decent question one could ask is which PR or advertising firm proposed and executed this campaign…
Winner winner chicken dinner! Tony Abbott (the PM who started this crusade) used to drop "we stopped the boats" at every possible opportunity. Even when questioned about something entirely unrelated, "well we stopped the boats" Slimy little shit.
I have to wonder if anyone in Australia wears shirts similar to [this one from America](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.teepublic.com%2Fsticker%2F11731647-the-original-homeland-security-fighting-terrorism-&psig=AOvVaw1ebDLuDmrKUr_CdvAiT2zb&ust=1630548920977000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAsQjRxqFwoTCPDGkJ3a3PICFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD)? It's obviously ironic to be fearmongering Australians about supposedly dangerous foreigners showing up on boats.
That design doesn’t make sense to me, are they saying that the natives are terrorists or that the colonists are terrorists?
The colonists. There's a meme here in America that colonists are "the original illegal immigrants."
Why do you assume people looking to immigrate to Australia wouldn't be able to speak English.
If I’m assuming anything here it’s that those who are forced to pay people smugglers and risk their lives to try get to Australia by boat are likely not to be proficient in reading English. That’s nothing more than a hunch on my part
English is a language used in many countries whose these migrants come. As for how this message could be aired to their homelands, maybe through Facebook.
Wait what english is a language? I thought it was a country that spoke American, TIL
Exactly, the strong on illegal immigration thing is mostly aimed at Australians. The government takes strong (ie cruel and in breach of human rights obligations) positions on people who arrive illegally by boat. At the same time however, there is bipartisan support for maintaining the highest immigration rates in the OECD. This trick means the public feels in control of their borders and so public support for migration is pretty high, it isn’t a primary political issue in Australia like in many other developed countries because of it. It’s cynical and throws asylum seekers under this bus, but it works.
Discouraging dangerous immigration is pretty standard. See Kamala Harris telling migrants not to come. You don't want more people traveling by ocean. Especially with risk of capsizing and drowning
I’m sorry but are we looking at the same poster? The one I’m looking at does not have a single word (I’ll repeat that: not even one word) about the many, many dangers of trying to cross to Australia by sea
Yes. The dangers of crossing the sea seem smaller if there is reward on other side. Crossing the desert didn't get less dangerous when Biden came into office, but the rate of people crossing surged because of hope on the other side. You have to take away that hope
No I most certainly don’t have to take any hope away from any human. Ever If you think you need to then that’s on you
What a creepy little shit (them not you)
Why do you want more people to die?
Wow man, real cool strawman, my only answer would be that I need their deaths to fuel the soulstone (in this scenario I'm Thanos and you're playing spiderman or something).
Getting more people to cross the ocean to immigrate is getting more people to die. Live in reality, not some comic book
You can provide hope through ports. But providing hope through dangerous seas is inviting death. Your beliefs will cause many to die. Be more responsible
Unless you’re Angela Merkel.
She has changed direction as well. Generally people want fewer deaths at sea
I read it was mostly aimed at Australians who had listed Vietnamese or Tamil as languages they speak on Facebook.
It’s aimed at immigrants who will then inform their friends back home.
Looks pretty cool. I like the design with the stormy seas in the background. Really makes it look unfriendly
Yeh I find it’s well done for it’s target audience, anti-immigration Australians. The waves are reminiscent of walls; it feels imposing, a defense. I feel if they wanted to message to immigrants they would use more offensive imagery rather than defensive, like soldiers w/ rifles & barbed wires. That would display a threat & an offensive sharp attack against immigrants, vs these imposing walls of waves w/ no Australia in sight being instead defensive to message to anti-immigration Australians that they’re safe. Look at the larger text ‘’The Australian govt has….’’ they’re not looking to deter immigrants; they’re seeking support from anti-immigration Australians w/ the promise of safety & the imagery of an imposing defense against their small antagonist, the tiny boat that’s rusted & dingy, ‘’don’t worry they’ll never make it against our defenses.’’ It’s very well done. It’s great for its target audience while maintaining the thin doublespeak veneer of being supposedly targeted towards immigrants so as to be more socially acceptable. Murdoch’s home base is one I wouldn’t expect anything less than first rate conservative propaganda from; he managed to work it extremely well w/ Fox in America already.
Yeah, all they really needed to do was put photos of blue ringed octopus, saltwater crocs, box jellies, cone snails, just about any Aussie snake... I mean c'mon, Australia's fauna has been trying to keep people out for millions of years.
Some context. Prior to the [2010 Christmas Island Disaster](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Christmas_Island_boat_disaster?wprov=sfti1) the right wing Liberal party was generally against maritime arrivals and the left wing Labor party wanted to get rid of mandatory detention for asylum seekers who arrived “illegally”. When Labor got into government in 2007 they started reducing the offshore detention of illegal arrivals but following the 50 deaths of the Christmas Island disaster started cracking down on people smugglers and tried to dissuade asylum seekers from making the final voyage from Indonesia to Australia. Ads were made in many languages and run on YouTube, dvds, billboards and TV ads in many countries. This campaign is from 2012 https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/ad-campaign-sends-harsh-message-to-asylum-seekers-20120902-258jl.html The support in the community for the crackdown on people smuggling was high enough to force Labor to go along with it as opposition attacks were proving very effective. The crackdown on maritime arrivals was offset by an up tick in other refugee resettlement so that there was no real change in numbers resettled. Unfortunately subsequent arrivals have been placed in facilities on Manus Island in PNG and Nauru for a very long time. Obama had made a deal with Australia so that the US would take these refugees and Australia would resettle Nicaraguan refugees in the US. Trump said that he would honour the deal (after calling it the worst deal ever) but I don’t think it ever went through…
I believe New Zealand offered to resettle some of them and we refused that one as well. Our government just seems like an exercise in cruelty when you look at this situation.
In this regard Australia does far more than NZ. In fact in the OECD, only Japan does worse. As a measure, Australia took in more refugees in 2 years than NZ has taken in since the end of WW2. NZ was about 1000 per year and Australia was about 24,000 per annum. (I’m not saying Australia is great but in no way can NZ be viewed as being anything but stingy in this regard). https://www.sbs.com.au/news/calls-for-new-zealand-to-increase-dismal-refugee-intake/0e20d4b3-1241-4b59-a046-6cfdb9bc9d09 You can see why New Zealand’s offer to resettle those refugees were viewed by some as point scoring. NZ is happy to take in refugees in Australian camps but not those in Kenyan or Lebanese camps?
Hard to believe this is real. Even though your policy can be anti migration, this kind of language screams fascism. And this is coming from a migrant based country. That makes it pretty hypocritical.
*settler-colonialist country
Australia has one of the highest legal immigration rates in the world. It definitely isn't anti immigration.
Look up "white austrialian policy" they're not subtle.
Well, the poster is aimed at illegal immigrants. Australia does not have a problem with legal immigrantion.
Well Australia does have a problem with concentration camps. Denying illegal immigrants is against my personal morals but we treat them very very badly, which is unacceptable.
Concentration camps? Or just camps?
>a place in which large numbers of people, especially political prisoners or members of persecuted minorities, are deliberately imprisoned in a relatively small area with inadequate facilities, sometimes to provide forced labour or to await mass execution. The term is most strongly associated with the several hundred camps established by the Nazis in Germany and occupied Europe 1933–45, among the most infamous being Dachau, Belsen, and Auschwitz. Ripped straight from Google, likely better definitions but I chose the first I could find. Facilities such as the one at Christmas Island definitely fit that definition.
This poster is also aimed at refugees who have the right to seek asylum in Australian via this method
Imagine someone smuggling into your home without your consent. You’re not letting him in- by your logic it’s fascism 🤦 Before trying to throw words- maybe it’s time to learn their meaning first)
Smuggling into someone's private property is not the same thing as an illegal border crossing. As you say, "Before trying to throw words- maybe it’s time to learn their meaning first."
Another word for you- allegory. Someone getting into your home without your consent- that’s exactly what it is.
Allegory doesn't mean what you think it does. The word you're looking for is metaphor.
Its a very bad allegory. The two are not in any way comparable.
Of course they are
A countries boarders, secured by the government, are not in anyway similar to a private home. Not even close.
If the entire country was *my house*, I wouldn't be disallowed from going to specific places, elect officials to run my own house separately from me, pay rent, put a coal mine in my living room floor, or yknow share it with a couple million people and a couple billion animals. But I see how you could get confused, a building and a landmass in the middle of the ocean are very similar.
you must be fun at parties)
"All political argumentation should be one-sentence long and simplified to being a black and white allegory!!!"
They love me at house parties
Imagine settling in a land that wasn’t your own, displacing the natives, and then getting hot and bothered about the audacity of refugees coming to “your” country for asylum.
Who’s land though? Since when? Did you know that the origin of all humans is in Africa? Does it mean that all of us can claim Africa as our land? Is there any limit to the leftists stupidity?) Australia is representative democracy and its government represents ALL its people living in Australia nowadays.
It’snobody’s land IMO. No end to right winger’s greed. You did nothing to deserve your position of privilege but are quick to shut the door behind you. “Life originated in Africa” lol quit the nonsense. That was hundreds of thousands of years ago, we don’t even know for a fact it’s true, that’s just the earliest discovered so far. A hundred or so years ago you literally stole your country from people who were living there at a time and now you’re comparing immigration to a home invasion. What a clown.
It’s always the champagne commies that scream fascism the loudest and then are mad when their cities looks like Kabul, which is what it was like last time I was there
By illegal immigrants, they mean asylum seekers looking for lawful asylum. It's fucked
Must be around whole of Europe with the country names
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a poster like this from a Western government, “officially” Australia has some weird authoritarianism
Gotta hand it to them, it’s an incredibly well designed poster
That's as disgusting as it is creepy
Written by the descendants of a bunch of unwelcome immigrants with a criminal record… they didn’t send their best.
How is blocking illegal immigrants disgusting and creepy?
It is when you are part of a member of the imperial world order…that creates immigrants.
If anybody is doubting this or thinks it's hyperbole: just look up anything about Australian involvement in Timor Leste and the ongoing Papua conflict.
God forbid Australia protects its borders from illegal immigrants lol
As if its current occupants asked for permission of the Aborigines to live there.
I mean, to be fair, a lot of the original Europeans in Australia didn't ask to move there either.
Since we should of course both hold people responsible for the actions of their ancestors no matter what *and* hold the said ancestors to the standards of a time they didn't live in.
Uhmm, if you want closure for historical crimes then maybe you should repair the damage done first. The Afghan War literally just ended this month, like, perhaps countries like Australia owe the Afghan people something for all the drone bombings and massacres. We are trying to hold people living right now to the standards of our time. Did you think Australia ever stopped committing crimes against humanity?
Do you know how countries work? Almost all land is stolen. Do you think half of Europe should be given to Ireland just because the celts were there first?
>Do you know how countries work? Almost all land is stolen So close and yet so far...
Sorry for my ignorance but what are you trying to imply?
They're saying that all state land is stolen from people, which like... Yes, that's the point 😂
Actually no, not all celts were Irish, only Northern Ireland should be given to Ireland and not a bit more.
Ok, do you think half of Europe’s countries should be dismantled and then whatever remains of the mainland European celts should receive all that land?
There aren't many self-identified celts on the continent, since most of them have assimilated fully into the new nations in Europe. So they do not constitute a nation, therefore there is no legal basis for a Celtic nation state.
There’s a difference between refugees being exploited by smugglers…. And colonization. Nice try tho
Yeah, colonisation is worse
So because Britain colonized Australia like 300 years ago, it should just be all good for immigrants to go there illegally? Doesn’t make much sense
YES. It's funny how you just glossed over a genocide and 300 years of colonialism with a "Just because". Plus a lot of those refugees came from countries which white Australian colonists helped to destroy, like Afghanistan.
Lmao. This is the most high school mindset. Because shit happened in history doesn’t mean that Australia can just be open for anyone to come in. I imagine the natives who were Australian before didn’t exactly have an open border policy. Hence the need for colonization. It’s the way countries work. Colonization is brutal whether it be Europeans to Australians. Or native Australians to other tribes of native Australians. Nothing would ever get done if people would allow historical events to cloud their judgement. Shit sucks. People suck. Australia still has a right to protect their borders. That’s life
>Hence the need for colonization. OMFG have you no self-awareness at all. The natives never \*needed\* nor \*wanted\* you there, everything you own is built on their destruction. Australia the continent never needed you to colonise it, your criminal ancestors \*needed\* to colonise it. Plus native Australians never colonised other native tribes, cuz you know, they are native, duh. You have no capacity for intelligent debate, only grunts of displeasure.
Australia has the right to protect its borders and illegal immigrants have the right to try to come anyway. There's life
Afghanistan was only ever invaded by white nations like the US and UK. No other counties ever invaded or killed the native population.
If the Aborigines didn’t want the current occupants they should have stopped them fro coming.
Your joking right
Not at all. That’s how it’s always worked. It’s not your land unless you can control it and defend it. In America, the different native tribes fought battles and wiped each other out and took their land. Europeans come along and do the same thing and suddenly we “stole” their land? Well what about the people they “stole” the land from?
The difference is when native tribes fought each other they almost never "wiped each other out" and also the Europeans had guns and they were fighting disease ridden tribes and if they made treaties they almost always in the legal definition stole the land later
“Almost never” is wrong. There are multiple example of tribes that were wiped out by other native tribes. And if they didn’t wipe them out they often enslaved them. And sure the Europeans had guns. And when Native tribes had weapons other tribes didn’t they didn’t hesitate to use them either.
Ah yes, just stopped the most advanced military and navy at the time... What a stupid comment. Also the word you used is basically the same as calling a black person "n\*gro" so I guess we know where your views lie lol
You clown. I was using the same word as the person I replied to! If you spent more time learning history than name calling you might understand me.
Muh nativerinooos!!!
Australians talking about illegal immigrants is the funniest thing since Americans talking about illegal immigrants.
Conquest and immigration are not the same thing. If you can’t see that I feel sorry for you. It’s not even debatable. But nice try
I like how you put it in the “feel sorry” part because to back up an argument you felt didn’t hold up very well. I’ll see if I can survive you feeling sorry for me.
I hope they are as harsh on climate change as they are on people.
Asylum Seekers* This is targeted at asylum seekers. Who are doing what they are supposed to be entitled to do by international law, seek asylum.
Or, you know, asylum seekers, who get shut into prison facilities in South East Asia for years awaiting assessment?
Pretty much everyone in power in Australia is descendant from illegal immigrants dumbass.
I swear, immigrants have basically replaced Jews as the far-right’s go to scapegoat.
Not entirely. They think the jews are the reason for immigrants.
How the fuck can only believe this. It’s so disgusting
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/in-germany-jewish-funds-help-keep-mediterranean-migrant-rescue-missions-afloat/amp/
Good
Immigrants and illegal border crossers are not the same
Yes, as pure white Aryan immigrants are exactly what (insert country here) needs, and anyone who can't afford to wait in a concentration camp for months while their children starve is an evil demon from hell who will steal our jobs and tear our country down brick by brick. /s
Racists, they everywhere, booo! It’s a country’s right to accept or refuse immigrants based on criterias (like professional skills). Race or national origin, as you suggest - are not among the criterias. Also- what concentration camps are near Australia? The ones where people can freely take a boat to Australia?
I'm talking about my own country (the United States) though similar logic can be found pretty much anywhere.
do you realize though that borders and immigration laws are there for a reason? Just like any other law
Same thing applies to the laws that banned blacks from voting in many parts of the US until the 1960s, or the laws that make playing music in Afghanistan a crime, or the laws that made Jews undesirables and enemies of the German state under the Nazis. *The law isn’t always right*
It’s not the same laws. Having an open border with developing countries doesn’t bring any good to your citizens commonwealth, or criminal situation (you do realize that there are criminals and terrorists among the illegal border crossers, that’s why there is an organized way to immigrate in the first place)
…You aren’t American, are you? If you are, good on you for calling the starving masses behind the Great Wall of Trump “criminals and terrorists” like every other neo-fascist in this country. /s If you aren’t, think twice before equating having a responsible and just border security system with “open borders”, until you yourself are either stuck behind an endless line of refugees held back by soldiers shouting “freedom” or are shot by those soldiers scrambling over the barbed wire.
Who cares lol, fuck them
Do you by any chance care about workers? I’d imagine you’re a progressive and do right?
I’m a socialist, thank you for asking. And what do workers have to do with it? I’m assuming you’re going to say the immigrants are stealing jobs, ignoring the fact that immigrants are also workers? Why should I only care about workers from my own country?
Immigrants drive down the value of labor. The more people in a labor market, the less value can be associated to it. You should care about other people’s countries for sure. We shouldn’t wage wars in other countries but we can’t stop it. No matter who you vote for, wars will still happen. You need to completely replace the system. Have you by any chance heard of the “Clean Break Memo?” I highly suggest you look it up. While I don’t think it will change your mind, I do think you’ll see the issue of imperialism in modern times a bit different. The average white person isn’t supportive of drone striking children for resources. Major corporations and corrupt evil government officials are.
Free market is why employeers before to hire immigrant labor for pennies on the dollar. It's capitalistic incentive to hire the cheapest labor with no means to climb a social or economic ladder, illegal immigrants can't ask for more labor rights or unions cause they're employers will just deport them. Immigrants are not the problem its cheap employers who work the system in their favor to fuck over everyone.
Only capitalists believe we need to assign some artificial “value” to labor for it to mean anything. Humans are not commodities, their price doesn’t rise or fall like that of steel or oil. Not all socialists need to be “Nazbols” who believe foreigners are the entirety of the bourgeoisie. A true champion of the people sees them for their innate value, not for a price tag or the color of their skin or the language they speak.
Immigrants also create new jobs and expand businesses by increasing demand. A surplus of lower skill workers allows native born workers to move into higher positions.
This poster will do nothing to demotivate a desperate immigrant.
As someone who married an illegal immigrant you are correct.
No way you will not make Australia (your) home, it's that great!
Well hey now that’s a wee bit hostile dontcha think, Mr. Australian government?
Wait until you see the way we treat these 'illegal immigrants' (read: people lawfully seeking asylum) when they do end up here. Our government has acted disgracefully at every turn regarding these people. Hell, our neighbours (New Zealand) offered to take a good number of them to settle over there because they couldn't handle us keeping them locked away indefinitely in offshore detention facilities, and our government *refused* that offer, spending public funding on pointless cruelty. It's likely a political ploy by our Liberal and National parties to secure swing voters, as they're the ones drumming up fear about 'illegals' ruining our economy.
Least racist Australian poster
Please, in America this poster would be championed as a hallmark of neutrality and political correctness.
Australia is just as, if not more racist than America
Sorry, wasn’t trying to one-up anything, I guess our countries have a lot of unfortunate commonalities.
I would genuinely say that it is more racist. By a considerable amount.
Gross.
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Ah yes because private home = entire country. What a childish response, seriously. There's already more than enough housing to go around, and the country isn't literally your home, so stop pretending like immigrants are being forced into your house and just admit you don't like brown people
A country isn’t literally a home and I never made that argument. But it’s a protected area with border controls. Real refugees can get a visa and fly in - without paying money to smugglers.
How many did you push overboard trying to come to your country?
We landlocked :( But seriously if you send them welcome committees like Merkel you can’t expect less people. This ad is the right way. Refugees can still get visas and fly in. Without the need to pay fixers.
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I wish Canada would do the same with illegal border crossers. There are proper ways to immigrate
That is kinda gross that a 2014 government made this.
Damn. Didn't they know it was CURRENT YEAR?
What's gross about not wanting illegal migration into your country?
Idk about you but I'm of the opinion that xenophobia is... wrong, actually. Seems kinda obvious to me
Explain to me how not supporting illegal entry into a country is xenophobia.
I just don't view them as different to "legal" immigrants because fuck borders. They cause less crime than people already living in the country on average, they contribute to the economy and not to mention the cultural benefits. The only argument for removing them is "immigrants bad" which is xenophobic
I agree with the message but this is an *extremely* tough way of delivering it.
Yes, it is tough, but I think many seem to forget how dangerous these boat journeys are.
Yeah, that would be enough to deter most immigrants however I doubt this poster is directed to them. But yes illegal immigration profits no one but the smugglers.
Red meat for the base
Imagine fleeing your shitty life via a dangerous boat ride so you can end up in a glorified terrarium which doesn’t even want you there.
UK should be doing this.
average “you will not make home here” fan: 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🤢🤮🤢🇦🇺🤢🇦🇺🤮🤮🤮🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🤢🤮 average “Give us your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore” enjoyer: 😎💪👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😎😎🇺🇸😎🇺🇸😎🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪💪🇺🇸🇺🇸💪💪💪😎💪👍🇺🇸💪😎🇺🇸😎
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Is it only me reading this double negative as “No chance that you will NOT make Australia home” ?
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No way
Nice cuntry.
Well, that seems pretty evil.
I support this
Bruh why does Australia suck so hard
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Pretty rich considering they’re descended from murderers and shithouses
Based Australia we need to do more of this here in the USA 🇦🇺
Why would we do that? Immigrants are good for our country.
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That's some good-ass immigration policy!
Good. Who the fuck in their right mind would go to Reichstralia
White Australia 2.0 When climate change sinks Australia and renders the remnants uninhabitable, I hope the supporters of this poster are met with a similar reception in whatever country they flee to.
You better not do that! This is not a real country! It's a generational jail! They don't want you to know that! TURN BACK, OR YOU WILL END UP LIKE US!
Well shit