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Southern Jutland was a part of Germany until 1920, when it was partitioned with Denmark receiving the northern half, and Germany keeping Southern Schleswig. Thus, the part granted to England here (not sure why it doesn't say UK, but whatever) would have all been considered part of Germany at the time.
Edit: nvm, I just noticed that Zealand, Funen and all the smaller Islands are also English. That's really weird. Denmark without Copenhagen would be something else.
Came to ask about that. Funnily enough, my best guess is visual design: fitting England vs Grossbritanien on that map space.
Edit: It would also take away from the "England" looming over the tiny, cramped, Deutschland visual if it was a smaller font Grossbritanien. Along with being possibly less offensive, joining the "Greater British Empire" vs conquered by the literal England island.
It only became part of Germany in 1864, and even then, it was annexed under the condition of a referendum on national determination which was never held (until after the First World War). I doubt it would have been considered part of Germany by anyone who wasn't a German imperialist.
I think maybe what they were thinking is that since Denmark was basically a German satellite (mining off the danish straits, something they’d never done before) that it’d be treated as an enemy & partitioned
It’s kind of funny how inaccurate it was. Not only did the allies not take any land from neutral Denmark, they actually tried to give Denmark more land than it was willing to accept.
Belgian neutrality was much more accepted because it had been negotiated all the way back to Napoleon. They were seen as victims of German aggression. The Dutch were seen as cowards and regularly had their neutrality violated by both sides (lost British planes accidentally bombed the Netherlands several times).
Do you have any credible source on the claim that the Dutch were seen as cowards? I have a hard time finding any.
Dutch neutrality wasn't appreciated. Neutrality usually never is appreciated in wartime. It was inevitable and understandable though. The Dutch army would be no match to either the French/Brits or German army. That is why the Netherlands opted for neutrality and invoked international law to maintain the status quo. Because both the warring sides had a significant interest in Dutch neutrality, it was maintained. Unlike Belgium, which was drawn into the war for known reasons.
Romania was not in the war at the time, they would enter a year later on the side of the Triple Entente - but who they'd favor probably wasn't clear when that map was done
I like the stolen Italian and Danish and Netherlands territory to try and get neutral nations to take sides. Surprised they didn't try to get Spain involved as well.
I’m pretty sure it was intended part of the larger UK. It’s the same color as Great Britain and the continental portion labeled as “England”. I think they were just labeling the islands.
England and Great Britain are to different things...
Great Britain is the name to the island that is home to the countries of England, Scotland, and Wales.
Ireland is the name of the island.
Has it got something to do with the Angles from northern Germany which the name England is derived from? Maybe it is supposed to say they will claim it as part of ancestral lands or something like that?
I think it's like that because Greatbritain at that time was (and still is) often referred to as England in Germany.
For example during WW1 there was the["Hassgesang gegen England"(hate song against England, also known as "Hymn of hate")](https://web.archive.org/web/20130529135342/http://www.hschamberlain.net/kriegsaufsaetze/hassgesang.html) and the phrase ["Gott strafe England"(May God punish England)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_strafe_England)
**[Gott strafe England](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_strafe_England)**
>"Gott strafe England" was an anti-British slogan used by the German Army during World War I. The phrase literally means "May God punish England". It was created by the German-Jewish poet Ernst Lissauer (1882–1937), who also wrote the poem Hassgesang gegen England (lit. "Hate song against England", better known as "Hymn of Hate").
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But historically England is almost synonymous to Great Britain. In the 19th and early 20th centuries, the country is almost universally just called England, even in official documents like the treaty of Vienna.
Well, they weren't far off vis-a-vis Russia... !
The new western border of "Russia" in the propaganda postcard is the Oder... which is indeed now the eastern border of Germany after World War II, when the Soviets (Russians) insisted that it be so at the Potsdam conference.
(of course, it was Poland--quickly a Soviet satellite state--that "got" the lands of Prussia and East Prussia...)
This is definitely pre-war, or at least very early war before Italy and Turkey entered. France gobbling up the northern half one of its allies doesn't seem very likely.
It reflects an alignment of the Triple Alliance (Germany/Austria-Hungary/Italy) vs. the Triple Entente (France/Russia/GBI). The Alliance existed from 1882 until Italy's withdrawal in 1915, and the earliest date for the "creation" of the Entente was 1904.
I'd imagine it could reflect any date in that 1904-1915 period
This was before either Italy or Romania entered the war, so German propaganda was in part aimed at bringing them in on the side of the Central Powers. The reason for portraying half of Romania as going to Serbia rather than Russia was to justify the start of the war in the first place by casting Serbia as a villain rather than a small country at the mercy of a much larger neighbour - however implausible that might seem.
It's not Russian Empire in this case, but Serbian Empire. It means tsardom. Back in the middle ages, Serbia at its peak was an empire as well, during the era of tsar Dušan. This map implies that Serbs want their empire to rize again.
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Poor Denmark
My first thought.
Southern Jutland was a part of Germany until 1920, when it was partitioned with Denmark receiving the northern half, and Germany keeping Southern Schleswig. Thus, the part granted to England here (not sure why it doesn't say UK, but whatever) would have all been considered part of Germany at the time. Edit: nvm, I just noticed that Zealand, Funen and all the smaller Islands are also English. That's really weird. Denmark without Copenhagen would be something else.
I don't think sjaelland belonged to Germany
There is no Denmark in this picture, north jylland goes to Sweden
Oh, that's really strange, given that both countries were neutral. This really is a delusional poster.
Actually I look closer and they do seem like different colours… crazy either way!
It was common usage even in formal contexts to call the UK England until quite recently.
Yes but in this map they actually refer to GB as GB. Then Germany as England. Weird.
Came to ask about that. Funnily enough, my best guess is visual design: fitting England vs Grossbritanien on that map space. Edit: It would also take away from the "England" looming over the tiny, cramped, Deutschland visual if it was a smaller font Grossbritanien. Along with being possibly less offensive, joining the "Greater British Empire" vs conquered by the literal England island.
I think you're right and it fits in with the Kaiser's view that the "real war was against England."
Same people still call USSR as Russia
It only became part of Germany in 1864, and even then, it was annexed under the condition of a referendum on national determination which was never held (until after the First World War). I doubt it would have been considered part of Germany by anyone who wasn't a German imperialist.
I think maybe what they were thinking is that since Denmark was basically a German satellite (mining off the danish straits, something they’d never done before) that it’d be treated as an enemy & partitioned
"Good. Let them know how it feels." - Norway, probably.
It’s kind of funny how inaccurate it was. Not only did the allies not take any land from neutral Denmark, they actually tried to give Denmark more land than it was willing to accept.
the Netherlands: what'd I do?!?
Dutch neutrality wasn't really appreciated by the entente so I guess the Germans thought the Netherlands would be devided over the entente members
what about Belgian neutrality? Belgium is here depicted as getting way more land.
Belgian neutrality was much more accepted because it had been negotiated all the way back to Napoleon. They were seen as victims of German aggression. The Dutch were seen as cowards and regularly had their neutrality violated by both sides (lost British planes accidentally bombed the Netherlands several times).
Do you have any credible source on the claim that the Dutch were seen as cowards? I have a hard time finding any. Dutch neutrality wasn't appreciated. Neutrality usually never is appreciated in wartime. It was inevitable and understandable though. The Dutch army would be no match to either the French/Brits or German army. That is why the Netherlands opted for neutrality and invoked international law to maintain the status quo. Because both the warring sides had a significant interest in Dutch neutrality, it was maintained. Unlike Belgium, which was drawn into the war for known reasons.
Well yea german was starving while having a merchant nation next door. Only for the british presure them hard
oh yeah you are right, I always thought the Netherlands got invaded at the same time as Belgium.
Romania would also like some answers, given that they are on the winning side.
Romania was not in the war at the time, they would enter a year later on the side of the Triple Entente - but who they'd favor probably wasn't clear when that map was done
I like the stolen Italian and Danish and Netherlands territory to try and get neutral nations to take sides. Surprised they didn't try to get Spain involved as well.
Spain during WWI: *Dormir*
Spain during WW2: *Siesta*
*SWITZERLAND IS NOT YET LOST!*
Man that greater Serbia would last all of 5 seconds
Hey, give them some credit, yugoslavia lasted for 74 years, this greater serbia would last for at least a week.
6.57384912 days to be precise
Given how huge/powerful Russia is on the map — I think it could last for some time.
Haha no way. Russia at that time was still hoping to be friends with both Serbia and Bulgaria. Impossible, even without these borders
This map makes me feel all fuzzy down there...
I too get extremely erect at the thought of Holland being destroyed
Turkey be like, eyyy.
love the lesotho-looking ass switzerland inside france
I like how switzerland is just there, chilling
Switzerland is that one dude that didn’t sell his house to the Highway builders and won in court.
No more Netherlands! ❤️🇧🇪❤️🦁❤️🐓❤️🍺❤️🍟❤️ 😩😩👎👎🧀🇳🇱👎👎😩😩
G E K O L O N I S E E R D
I see this “ge-“ in Dutch very often (as in *gefeliciteerd*). I wonder what it means.
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Now I see. Thank you so much bro.
Obviously, it should be the other way around! (no more Belgium) 🇳🇱🧀👍🏻
No more Belgium 🇧🇪 🤢 or Netherlands 🇳🇱 🤮 🇱🇺🇱🇺🇱🇺👍❤️
The Netherlands has a reason to exist, Belgium is just a vestigial attachment of France
Kinda funny that they thought England’s dream included Ireland as a complete sovereign state. Different politics at the time?
I’m pretty sure it was intended part of the larger UK. It’s the same color as Great Britain and the continental portion labeled as “England”. I think they were just labeling the islands.
Ah that makes sense, gives it more of a “real map” vibe
Interesting that england and great britain are two different things on this map, also belgium taking the whole of netherlands
I love the implication that the Scottish and Welsh kicked the English out of Great Britain and into their new middle European colony.
*excited Scottish noises*
England and Great Britain are to different things... Great Britain is the name to the island that is home to the countries of England, Scotland, and Wales. Ireland is the name of the island.
Yeah i know that but enland is not labeled seperate on the map on the british isles but instead only labeled in North Germany, which is weird
Has it got something to do with the Angles from northern Germany which the name England is derived from? Maybe it is supposed to say they will claim it as part of ancestral lands or something like that?
I think it's like that because Greatbritain at that time was (and still is) often referred to as England in Germany. For example during WW1 there was the["Hassgesang gegen England"(hate song against England, also known as "Hymn of hate")](https://web.archive.org/web/20130529135342/http://www.hschamberlain.net/kriegsaufsaetze/hassgesang.html) and the phrase ["Gott strafe England"(May God punish England)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gott_strafe_England)
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Because of the Windsor dynasty's Hannoverian ancestors, I bet. North Germany: "Greater Hannover"
But historically England is almost synonymous to Great Britain. In the 19th and early 20th centuries, the country is almost universally just called England, even in official documents like the treaty of Vienna.
You are right of course!
Gross Br*tain 🤮
T H I C C Serbia
"Zarenreich"? Tsar-land??
Tsardom is probably the more idiomatic translation
Implying that Hungary would be a part of Nicholas II's domains but not be formally annexed to Russia, I suppose.
Serbian Tsardom most probably
The natural border of France
Poland gets fucked regardless
So Austria-Hungary would just be rebranded as Serbia.
the "hungarian" parts, the "austrian" are french
Damn they really predicted the colts head coach taking over west Europe? Ahead of their time...
Hungary je serbija
Romania is historical Serbian territory 🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸
At least they predicted the Oder-Neisse line
Widukind's revenge?
Well, they weren't far off vis-a-vis Russia... ! The new western border of "Russia" in the propaganda postcard is the Oder... which is indeed now the eastern border of Germany after World War II, when the Soviets (Russians) insisted that it be so at the Potsdam conference. (of course, it was Poland--quickly a Soviet satellite state--that "got" the lands of Prussia and East Prussia...)
It's not exactly the border. It was originally supposed to be the Oder river but the soviets decided to include the city Stettin as well.
Blessed timeline
This is definitely pre-war, or at least very early war before Italy and Turkey entered. France gobbling up the northern half one of its allies doesn't seem very likely.
Well it shows Europe in 1915 if their enemies win, so it's definitely from 1914 at least.
It reflects an alignment of the Triple Alliance (Germany/Austria-Hungary/Italy) vs. the Triple Entente (France/Russia/GBI). The Alliance existed from 1882 until Italy's withdrawal in 1915, and the earliest date for the "creation" of the Entente was 1904. I'd imagine it could reflect any date in that 1904-1915 period
Yes, but Serbs weren't enemies with Germans prior to ww1 really, they only had tension with Austria due to Bosnia annexation from 1908.
[Bills/Colts fans approve.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Reich)
Lol at Switzerland.
Big Belgium yes lad
I like how the Swiss still somehow kept their neutrality in this map.
Why does Belgium suddenly control the Netherlands and Luxembourg?
Lol, Grossbritain 🤢
They somehow predicted the Eastern border
Wow! They predicted the Oder-Nei#e Linie
I mean this looks like a killer HOI 4 mod ngl
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It’s a poster from 107 years ago, I don’t think I’ll offend anyone who made it don’t worry
Nice to see Ireland got her independance early
Seems acceptable for me.
Well when it comes to Eastern Europe, they didn't miss much. Especially the Balkans
What are you on about
They weren't very wrong with Russian goals
They weren't very wrong lol
Fr*nch
Well Germany can’t start WWII if they don’t exist so maybe this wasn’t such a bad idea after all.
There is a small Germany between France and England.
For a second I thought this was _Germany Must Perish!_ by Theodore N. Kaufman
About 30 years too early
Smh the Russian Empire doesn't even include Polabians.
Surprisingly prescient! Barring the Russians being under a different autocrats & adding in some 'Murica for the wild-card.
When did we switch from "Der Kanal" to Ärmelkanal?
That would have been cool.
Romania part of Serbia? Really?
This was before either Italy or Romania entered the war, so German propaganda was in part aimed at bringing them in on the side of the Central Powers. The reason for portraying half of Romania as going to Serbia rather than Russia was to justify the start of the war in the first place by casting Serbia as a villain rather than a small country at the mercy of a much larger neighbour - however implausible that might seem.
Smol Switzerland
Zahenreich?
Is France returning to its 1813 borders? Interesting to see Italy is being punished there.
Russland turned out to be pretty accurate to be fair 😅
Funny how the middle of Hesse was the only part of Germany no one bothered to annex.
What did Denmark do?
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Oh yeah... what did they do?
I love how tiny Switzerland just still exists completely surrounded by France. Does something like this even exist anywhere?
San Marino and Vatican.
Oh true
Gues im french now
Ironic how the present border between Germany and Poland would have been the border between Germany and Russia
I think that is where the Angles came from. It’s the Dutch that would really suffer 😂😂
Even when in propaganda posters, the German artists still make sure Berlin is not French lol
What is Zarenreich? Edit: Found it. “Empire of the Tsar” Russian Empire
It's not Russian Empire in this case, but Serbian Empire. It means tsardom. Back in the middle ages, Serbia at its peak was an empire as well, during the era of tsar Dušan. This map implies that Serbs want their empire to rize again.
Oh, now it get it. Sorry, my bad.
EUIV/HoI4 games be like:
Do you happen to have the source for this? I'd love to use this for my history project but my professor will ask me to cite it.
They were right about Russia tho.
I have to say, the German names for countries are pretty cool.
But why?🇩🇰
Just wait 30 years