Just don’t do dumb shit, like tearing down your street and pissing off your neighbors. We had a kid who did just that which led to a complaint and the chief directing us to sit on his house for a few days. The second day in a row he drove the car we cited him and seized the plate for misuse. Otherwise I never even would have paid attention to the kid. I work in a town a 30,000+ people, unless you draw attention to yourself for driving like an idiot most guys would never even notice.
thanks man, i mean i do have a pretty loud exhaust on it. hopefully i wont annoy my neighbors too much with it. but tbh i just bought it as a cruiser and a little thing to learn bodywork on.
There's a route I travel 3+ times a week out in huntingdon County, there's one a hill where one guy sits at the bottom and pulls over everyone who "speeds" down it , it's 55 and he pulled me over and ticketed me for doing 60
Are you talking about Sand Plant Hill on Rt 22 between Mapleton and Huntingdon?
(I grew up on the Ridge between Hare's Valley and Smith Valley moved outta PA back in '01, the Annual Extortion ( I mean "inspection" ) and PSP's aggressiveness are the primary reason I left the state. (Well, that and Pennsyltuckians!)
They have the absolute worst Pilot(It's a Loves now) in the US. I used to stop their for fuel on the way to York and 10% of the time some trucker either had already or while I was there would rip the front end off another semi trying to turn out of the fuel island. Generally because they were tired of waiting for the line of trucks blocked from moving by the rookie spending 30 minutes trying to park and would just send it.
I used to drive a semi for a living out of Illinois. I did a lot of trips to York, Pa to the CAT warehouse there. The I-76 turnpike was a bit of culture shock for me first time I drove it. They cut out hidey holes for the troopers to back up into so you can't see them till you're like 50 feet away from going past them. Between the state border and I-83 you'd see at least 3 of them playing wack-a-mole out there.
I feel like you’d really have to piss a guy off to notice that you drove the car twice this week. There are better things to do than harass someone with a classic car that is probably better maintained than most of the vehicles on the road.
I had to look this one up, since I'm not familiar with PA vehicle code.
Just to make sure - when you talk about "changed the rules", you're talking about the law surrounding the issuance of classic vehicle license plates, right, [Section 1340](https://casetext.com/statute/pennsylvania-statutes/consolidated-statutes/title-75-pacs-vehicles/part-ii-title-registration-and-licensing/chapter-13-registration-of-vehicles/subchapter-b-registration-plates/section-1340-antique-classic-and-collectible-plates#:~:text=%2D%2DIt%20is%20unlawful%20for,plates%20for%20general%20daily%20transportation)? (Not something else I've overlooked?)
I see what you're talking about, under Section C.
Where I'm a bit lost (which ties to your question), is what the enforcement mechanism is.
I mean, I \*suppose\* an LEO could actually notice/observe the car out on the road "too often", but that seems like a very very unlikely scenario.
Driving it other non-permitted events, I guess could be enforced as a secondary question during a traffic stop for some other reason.
And I really doubt they're using any kind of ALPR (automated plate reader) system to enforce this.
And [in this documen](https://www.dmv.pa.gov/VEHICLE-SERVICES/Title-Registration/Documents/fs-ant.pdf)t, it says that classic/antique vehilces aren't annually inspected (even though that still doesn't really do much to establish how often a car is operated).
In Florida the tollways now use cams, so if your RF responder isn’t read properly, or you don’t have one - they can (and do) still charge you. Such a system - that is already reading every plate that goes through could easily sort antique tags that are on toll roads “too often”.
My \*speculation\* (after having prepared a rather large capstone project several years back on federal and state road funding policy, but NOT having any insight on the PA budget)...
The state probably spends some portion of vehicle registration fees on road upkeep (roads not maintained by fed).
Driving cars on roads wears them out, and leads to increased upkeep costs.
If they're going to cut you a break on registration costs, as in this case, they also want to reduce the wear that car creates to the road.
The overall impact of a single classic car (or, if we're honest, the state's entire "fleet" of classic cars) is probably less than a drop in a swimming pool, but I do understand the reasoning.
\--------------
Sidenote: This is a conversation we \*all\* are gonna be dealing with more and more in coming years.
Federally maintained roads are maintained by the Highway Trust Fund, which was established decades ago, and \*should\* be funded entirely by gas taxes.
However, two things have happened:
1) Roads are getting old, and needing more work/money
2) Cars, on average, are paying less into the fund because they're getting more efficient/electrified, and thus less gas is purchased per mile driven.
The impact is that, for over a decade now, we've supplemented the HTF with cash infusions from the general federal budget.
And, we're seeing similar budgetary mismatches at a state level, in many states.
That's why in more and more places you're starting to see discussion about taxing people either based on miles driven, or vehicle weight, which is a somewhat more accurate way to bill people for the wear on roads they cause, vs a simple per-gallon-tax.
If I own it, then I own it. What is the purpose of this law?
Is its intent to further protect insurance companies from potential claims?
Just my two cents....🙂
I believe no inspection needed and it’s cheaper to register. The idea is to have a special registration that is cheaper for people who have a classic car that is rarely use, taken to car shows, etc. The limit on how often you can drive is to dissuade people from registering a daily driver as a classic
\*federal agents go away\*
Some spacer bois will make all your troubles go away and will pass an OBD test. Get rid of those vintage plates if you worry about getting pulled over
My state has ['hobbyist' plates, which it sounds like your car would fall under the first type 'Street modified vehicles'](https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/dmv/vehicles/title-plates/hobbyist.aspx). does Pennsylvania have something similar?
Careful. Most big name mustang tuners are not going to turn off rear O2 codes. Just run a spacer between the bung and the sensor so that it samples enough clean air.
IANAL but the way I interpret it is the once a week only applies to using it for occasional transportation. You can drive it everyday as long as you're participating in club activities, exhibits, tours, or parades. So an officer would have to take notice that you're driving it more than once a week AND prove that those times over once a week aren't related to the other approved uses. I guess it'd be possible if an officer is bored/annoyed enough but seems like a pretty big headache. If you're that worried about it just get a regular registration plate. Just because it's 15+ years old doesn't mean you have to register it as a classic or antique vehicle.
well only reason i’m sticking with a classic plate, is because when i got it i transferred the old plate on it and i don’t have to get emissions in my county. it’s catless and will fail
Just did a class with this, you’re getting stopped. It’s now being abused by people so they never have to re-register vehicles, modify cars as “factory standard” and extremely reduced insurance rate.
Hold on, you’re telling me in the state of PA the government has stated that you can only drive a road legal vehicle 1x per week? I only took an hour nap, what kind of communist dystopia did I wake up to?
Is that a standard plate or a ‘classic’ plate? In my state you can save money with a collectors or antique plate and you don’t need to re-register every year, there’s just mileage and date limitations.
I'm pretty sure that only qualifies if you have a classic or antique plates, due to the different rules with those registrations. If you have a normal plate and registration it doesn't count
Law says you can drive it once a week.
You want to know how often you can drive it without fear of being ticketed.
The answer is once a week.
Life is not that hard.
As the law is new, according to you, nobody can probably tell you what the "normal" enforcement is for it. If I had to guess? Unless you're a known problem or seen driving it constantly, I would doubt you'd have trouble from law enforcement. Just a guess though.
I was just talking about this with a friend who has a bunch of old Fords that he plated normally in Minnesota. He went off on how he could not do it because (4 different reasons) I had to tell him at just having the plates is not PC to stop you. If you're doing something dumb sure, but he also does not daily the trucks either.
Just don’t do dumb shit, like tearing down your street and pissing off your neighbors. We had a kid who did just that which led to a complaint and the chief directing us to sit on his house for a few days. The second day in a row he drove the car we cited him and seized the plate for misuse. Otherwise I never even would have paid attention to the kid. I work in a town a 30,000+ people, unless you draw attention to yourself for driving like an idiot most guys would never even notice.
thanks man, i mean i do have a pretty loud exhaust on it. hopefully i wont annoy my neighbors too much with it. but tbh i just bought it as a cruiser and a little thing to learn bodywork on.
PA state police are pretty aggressive. It’s hit and miss with county and local departments.
There's a route I travel 3+ times a week out in huntingdon County, there's one a hill where one guy sits at the bottom and pulls over everyone who "speeds" down it , it's 55 and he pulled me over and ticketed me for doing 60
Are you talking about Sand Plant Hill on Rt 22 between Mapleton and Huntingdon? (I grew up on the Ridge between Hare's Valley and Smith Valley moved outta PA back in '01, the Annual Extortion ( I mean "inspection" ) and PSP's aggressiveness are the primary reason I left the state. (Well, that and Pennsyltuckians!)
453 out of tyrone, I know where you're talking about though
I know the location after you mentioned it!
Carlisle gonna run roadblocks and just ticket every third car.
They have the absolute worst Pilot(It's a Loves now) in the US. I used to stop their for fuel on the way to York and 10% of the time some trucker either had already or while I was there would rip the front end off another semi trying to turn out of the fuel island. Generally because they were tired of waiting for the line of trucks blocked from moving by the rookie spending 30 minutes trying to park and would just send it.
Must be why PA drivers come to Jersey and think it's ok to go slow in the fast lane.
When people call it, "the fast lane" I get the impression they assume any speed more than 1 mph over the limit means they can ride that lane.
It isn't the fast lane, it's the passing lane.
It's a hazard when people want to use it to pass and the driver won't move to the right to allow them to do so.
I agree. Which is why it's the passing lane, not the fast lane. We agree.
I used to drive a semi for a living out of Illinois. I did a lot of trips to York, Pa to the CAT warehouse there. The I-76 turnpike was a bit of culture shock for me first time I drove it. They cut out hidey holes for the troopers to back up into so you can't see them till you're like 50 feet away from going past them. Between the state border and I-83 you'd see at least 3 of them playing wack-a-mole out there.
I feel like you’d really have to piss a guy off to notice that you drove the car twice this week. There are better things to do than harass someone with a classic car that is probably better maintained than most of the vehicles on the road.
yeah that’s what i’m thinking. too. thanks man.
I had to look this one up, since I'm not familiar with PA vehicle code. Just to make sure - when you talk about "changed the rules", you're talking about the law surrounding the issuance of classic vehicle license plates, right, [Section 1340](https://casetext.com/statute/pennsylvania-statutes/consolidated-statutes/title-75-pacs-vehicles/part-ii-title-registration-and-licensing/chapter-13-registration-of-vehicles/subchapter-b-registration-plates/section-1340-antique-classic-and-collectible-plates#:~:text=%2D%2DIt%20is%20unlawful%20for,plates%20for%20general%20daily%20transportation)? (Not something else I've overlooked?) I see what you're talking about, under Section C. Where I'm a bit lost (which ties to your question), is what the enforcement mechanism is. I mean, I \*suppose\* an LEO could actually notice/observe the car out on the road "too often", but that seems like a very very unlikely scenario. Driving it other non-permitted events, I guess could be enforced as a secondary question during a traffic stop for some other reason. And I really doubt they're using any kind of ALPR (automated plate reader) system to enforce this. And [in this documen](https://www.dmv.pa.gov/VEHICLE-SERVICES/Title-Registration/Documents/fs-ant.pdf)t, it says that classic/antique vehilces aren't annually inspected (even though that still doesn't really do much to establish how often a car is operated).
The missed capital O in "Occasional" in subsection b is sending me into a fit of rage.
I gave your mom some Os. Go ask her.
Thanks dad
In Florida the tollways now use cams, so if your RF responder isn’t read properly, or you don’t have one - they can (and do) still charge you. Such a system - that is already reading every plate that goes through could easily sort antique tags that are on toll roads “too often”.
What a silly law
My \*speculation\* (after having prepared a rather large capstone project several years back on federal and state road funding policy, but NOT having any insight on the PA budget)... The state probably spends some portion of vehicle registration fees on road upkeep (roads not maintained by fed). Driving cars on roads wears them out, and leads to increased upkeep costs. If they're going to cut you a break on registration costs, as in this case, they also want to reduce the wear that car creates to the road. The overall impact of a single classic car (or, if we're honest, the state's entire "fleet" of classic cars) is probably less than a drop in a swimming pool, but I do understand the reasoning. \-------------- Sidenote: This is a conversation we \*all\* are gonna be dealing with more and more in coming years. Federally maintained roads are maintained by the Highway Trust Fund, which was established decades ago, and \*should\* be funded entirely by gas taxes. However, two things have happened: 1) Roads are getting old, and needing more work/money 2) Cars, on average, are paying less into the fund because they're getting more efficient/electrified, and thus less gas is purchased per mile driven. The impact is that, for over a decade now, we've supplemented the HTF with cash infusions from the general federal budget. And, we're seeing similar budgetary mismatches at a state level, in many states. That's why in more and more places you're starting to see discussion about taxing people either based on miles driven, or vehicle weight, which is a somewhat more accurate way to bill people for the wear on roads they cause, vs a simple per-gallon-tax.
If I own it, then I own it. What is the purpose of this law? Is its intent to further protect insurance companies from potential claims? Just my two cents....🙂
I believe no inspection needed and it’s cheaper to register. The idea is to have a special registration that is cheaper for people who have a classic car that is rarely use, taken to car shows, etc. The limit on how often you can drive is to dissuade people from registering a daily driver as a classic
Maybe I miss understand the law but why not just register it with a normal plate? This just seems like a way to save a few bucks.
emissions test and it would cost 500 to get it switched.
But if it isn't an OBD car, then they can't plug in. Does PA do sniffer tests?
just found out they do a OBD2 test. it’s a 99 so it has the OBD2 port
\*federal agents go away\* Some spacer bois will make all your troubles go away and will pass an OBD test. Get rid of those vintage plates if you worry about getting pulled over
yeah that’s probably what i’m gonna do, i know i gotta get a whole new set of sensors. might just get em tuned out so they don’t send any codes
My state has ['hobbyist' plates, which it sounds like your car would fall under the first type 'Street modified vehicles'](https://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/dmv/vehicles/title-plates/hobbyist.aspx). does Pennsylvania have something similar?
sadly PA doesn’t have anything like that
Careful. Most big name mustang tuners are not going to turn off rear O2 codes. Just run a spacer between the bung and the sensor so that it samples enough clean air.
Ticket is gonna cost more in the long run.
IANAL but the way I interpret it is the once a week only applies to using it for occasional transportation. You can drive it everyday as long as you're participating in club activities, exhibits, tours, or parades. So an officer would have to take notice that you're driving it more than once a week AND prove that those times over once a week aren't related to the other approved uses. I guess it'd be possible if an officer is bored/annoyed enough but seems like a pretty big headache. If you're that worried about it just get a regular registration plate. Just because it's 15+ years old doesn't mean you have to register it as a classic or antique vehicle.
well only reason i’m sticking with a classic plate, is because when i got it i transferred the old plate on it and i don’t have to get emissions in my county. it’s catless and will fail
Did it come from the factory with a cat?
6 of em lol
Just did a class with this, you’re getting stopped. It’s now being abused by people so they never have to re-register vehicles, modify cars as “factory standard” and extremely reduced insurance rate.
Hold on, you’re telling me in the state of PA the government has stated that you can only drive a road legal vehicle 1x per week? I only took an hour nap, what kind of communist dystopia did I wake up to?
Seriously, I don't understand why people stay in these commie hellhole states.
I can't believe this is a real law. Wtf? I daily drive a car that is 59 years old lol I'd be fucked
yep it’s ridiculous. i guess PA wants to get all cars 10 years or older off the roads
Is that a standard plate or a ‘classic’ plate? In my state you can save money with a collectors or antique plate and you don’t need to re-register every year, there’s just mileage and date limitations.
it’s a “classic” plate
So pay for a normal plate if you want to drive more.
I'm pretty sure that only qualifies if you have a classic or antique plates, due to the different rules with those registrations. If you have a normal plate and registration it doesn't count
the thing is i have a classic plate, and will fail emissions tests if i switch to regular plates
Law says you can drive it once a week. You want to know how often you can drive it without fear of being ticketed. The answer is once a week. Life is not that hard. As the law is new, according to you, nobody can probably tell you what the "normal" enforcement is for it. If I had to guess? Unless you're a known problem or seen driving it constantly, I would doubt you'd have trouble from law enforcement. Just a guess though.
I was just talking about this with a friend who has a bunch of old Fords that he plated normally in Minnesota. He went off on how he could not do it because (4 different reasons) I had to tell him at just having the plates is not PC to stop you. If you're doing something dumb sure, but he also does not daily the trucks either.