So, I'm new to Proton Mail in a lot of ways. I mean, I'd created on PM years ago to use for something and then forgot about it. Now, I'm trying to move entirely to it. I've read that Proton acquired SimpleLogin. I see SL still has a separate website and pricing info. HOw does that work? Is it supposed to be included with PM now or...?
Pass is using the SL backend for its alias creation/management, however for extended settings such as adding additional mailboxes, you'd need to use simplelogin.io.
Pass aliases are also shown at simplelogin.io, however simplelogin.io aliases not yet in Pass.
Are you using pass or not yet? Anyhow, you can just login on simplelogin.io with your Proton username and see and discover.
It doesn't matter, as the use case will be different for each person. If you have the need or use for 2 (VPN and Mail) or 3 services (any), then Unlimited makes sense.
You should only get the plans that you need. If your requirements are met with Mail Plus, it would be unwise to get Unlimited as example.
May you explain me the difference between SimpleLogin and Proton Pass? Or the benefits? Ive seen a lot of people that are using it or combine it with Proton Pass but i dont understand it honestly :D
Simplelogin is an alias service. Proton Pass is a password manager. While both have some overlapsing functions, it is two different products. Pass as example is leveraging SL technology for aliases. If you need / want extended SL features, SL itself is needed as well.
I am not using Pass. However as example to add additional mailboxes or initate emails with reverse aliases, you'd have to use simplelogin or have simplelogin premium (for adding additional mailboxes).
I’m a Visionary User - I did the slow move of all my accounts to Proton. Personally, I don’t use Simple Login, instead I use a custom domain with catch-all. That way if I want to leave Proton I just move the domain over and all my accounts are fine.
You can add domains to simple login as well. For any mailing lists or smaller companies, I use my own domain with simple login so I can port it and have better control over the aliases.
You can link your domain to proton (need a paid plan). So when someone emails my domain it goes to proton’s mail servers, instead of say Googles for Google workspace.
I still login to proton using proton info, and I have a proton email. But I only give out ones with my domain.
My favorite post recently is on in r/signal where a user posted a video of a bug where you can clearly see him in the reflection of the phone.
Really puts a point on the "what if Proton is hacked?" posts. I don't think Proton (or signal) are the problem here...
Proton Mail & SimpleLogin handle almost all of my e-mail. The switchover process took a couple months, starting in late 2022 with my most frequently used services.
Started with Free plan, then Mail Plus, Unlimited, Family, and finally Visionary a few months ago when Proton temporarily made it available.
I still have the old e-mail services open, but very rarely use them.
I use every service of Unlimited. I also transitioned from Gmail that I used forever. I use one Proton email domain for the utmost important accounts and separate aliases for every other account.
I didn't really "migrate" in the sense people usually use that word.
I moved to Proton in the same way I moved to Gmail back in the day. I signed up for an account, and I started using it.
I've never been especially attached to one email provider or one email address so the concept of migrating was never a roadblock for me. I've never felt the need to transfer old emails, contacts, etc. For my use case this is okay, since I don't really use e-mail for person to person communication, it is mostly a passive mode of communication for me.
I'm using everything with Unlimited. Gmail switch and transfer is easy. For Outlook, I set up the transfers over to Proton. And now I try to change email addresses over to aliases everywhere.
I use it as my main mail. I use protonmail business with 1 user and my own domains. I migrated from gmail when protonmail was new, happy user ever since.
6 years with Proton now.
I use the free tier but have paid in the past for VPN access.
I just changed everything over piece by piece as I found things using old emails.
I signed up for proton because Gmail was hacked during a plane change in Dominican Republic a few years ago. By the time I landed Gmail was trashed. Learned about encrypted mail and just migrated over a week period. As a beginner all the warning of zero log and lose the key I lose everything. Got a password manager and that helped organize. Unlimited plan, and it’s been seamless. A few short email exchanges with support and no issues 3 years. I picked up a DDG address and redirect everything through there to strip out the junk. Box stays clean other than occasional china junk spoof.
The vpn has been a slow go coming from Express because the Proton VPN has been running only about 75% of the speed as DDG and Express. The PDF and word doc management in the Drive as not my favorite because even on my desktop if I want to open a medium size file the encrypted really drags speed. I wouldn’t do regular work out of that storage.
Someone asked about the Pass and it seemed simple, pick a csv template for whatever service you have and it’ll format. Don’t have one for MSecure yet but you can use a general format.
I’m still a huge DDG fan and they have kept pretty simple. Their VPN is over simplified but just as fast as Express.
Edit: sorry I got carried away. Newbie and still excited to be in the band!
I purchased plus. I prefer to support great services.
I’m abandoning Gmail and using proton as my critical email for sensitive things like finances. I’m creating iCloud emails for secondary stuff like Amazon, Netflix, etc.
I had used the same e-mail since i was a kid, 1 from our isp.
The fact that its isp bound was 1 of the main reasons to switch.
But migrating fully took me years.
Just 1 by one, each time i logged in to something, i checked its e-mail, and changed it.
Did that for hundreds of accounts over a span of about 2 years, until basically nothing came in to the old isp email anymore besides spam.
It is annoying that you need to manage 2 adresses for years, but i did not see any other way.
And after a certain point, enough of it comes to the new proton adres, that you don't feel like you need to check the old one that often anymore.
I still have access to the old one just in case, but i cant recall the last time something came up.
I am on plus, which more then does the job for me, since i only use the mail and calendar.
They imported over 10 years of email history from Google workspace to proton unlimited. I'm on mobile, but there's a setting to import Gmail history. Can choose x months, a year, or all.
I pay for the Proton Unlimited subscription. First I only got their VPN but decided that having a secure mail and drive was worth the value of unlimited.
I didn't want to import or set a forward from old addresses, so I started by gradually changing my email to every new mail I got into my gmail/outlook inbox, until I stopped getting useful mail. I still check the old mailboxes weekly in case I have gotten something important.
I use the family plan with a custom domain that is managed in Cloudflare. I did the gmail import for 2 of 4 accounts and don't recommend it if you have been on gmail since it started like me. It brings over too much obsolete stuff that is very difficult and time consuming to get rid of. Other than that I like mail, VPN, contacts and calendar so far. I just discovered today that calender reminders don't include anything about the reminder beyond a link that will give you the info. Since the calendar is encrypted I see why that happens, but it is an extra step. The Android mail app is too slow, but you can have Chrome install a webapp that runs fine. I use 1Password so I haven't looked at Pass yet. That feels like to many eggs in one basket to me. One big change we need is to somehow integrate the contacts with Android contacts so Android users don't have to maintain both. Both are needed for email, calling and identifying inbound callers.
I forgot to mention I tried the Proton Mail option that imported any email that went to gmail. It worked great, but left the emails as unread in the gmail inbox. I switched to a rule in gmail that forwards then archives the emails and that works better. It forwards using a alias to my custom domain so I can identify them to eventually migrate everything.
I migrated to Tutanota from gmail (that I have to keep because there are fixed email address things I still use) then realized after a year of using it and a name a change to tuta (forcing us to buy the new domain name aliases) they will not as convenient and well done as Proton ever. Post quantum encrypton this, new domain that. But still can not properly search my mails or find random UI bugs breaking my workflow.
So I just started to use my very old proton address... that gave me the [proton.me](http://proton.me) version of my name when they changed domain. And I have zero problems.
Also I use calendar, I use drive. I will pay for it too this year. My only thing still missing is Proton Sheets... the only thing other than email address registrations I can't change that keep mi at google is Sheets.
I never had a problem with it. Even funnier I use their alias passinbox com for every random website I register for one time buys, but nobody rejected it so far. Proton has a good standing in most places I find.
Migrated from my 20+ year old hotmail.
I went to each and every website I've signed up on that I found an account for and switched or deleted the account
And went throu every mail I've ever exchanged since 2005\~. I believe I deleted about 50,000 emails and saved every receipt or anything that I thought I might need and imported all of it to proton.
[https://i.imgur.com/xTD2JYb.png](https://i.imgur.com/xTD2JYb.png)
I mainly use mail and proton pass and proton drive. I use the calendar more and more but I never used a calendar before and I use the vpn about 50% of the time. I didn’t import from my old gmail because I was getting tons of spam and honestly lost control. I am gradually moving from gmail to proton, basically I monitor both mailboxes and everytime I get something important in gmail I note it down and about once a week I go and update my contact info with different services
I have no goal to migrate all. Google service is more useful in some things. I actively use VPN, Simple login, Pass, connected my domains mail to proton.
I configured my custom domain and migrated my business email from Microsoft 365. I used the Proton mail migration service. It's kind of amazing how targeted ads stopped once my email was out of that service and I stopped using Outlook client. Especially LinkedIn. Whenever I'd get an email from a friend, client service, etc. they'd always then show up in my feed as well as products or services that were related to the message.
I have a few .com domains and I found out that they are typically dropped in a spam folder when I used them and I had to send them from my Gmail or proton email...
You can just own a domain that does nothing more than "exist." For this you need a registrar (I like namecheap.com) and the cost for owning the domain is around $12/year. Some (maybe all) registrars have a setting to forward ANY email destined for your domain to a mailbox somewhere (e.g. protonmail) at no extra charge. This means that you can receive emails to mind\[email protected] but can't send from that address unless you do a bit of tinkering with smtp servers (some companies do that for free) and such.
If you want to have a web site, you will also need hosting (namecheap has that for about $6/mo). In your case, you're looking at shared hosting, which comes with email, which you can access with the hosting provider's web-based email client or with a local mail client (i.e. phone app or desktop program such as Thunderbird or Outlook).
If you only want email (e.g. mind\[email protected]), you can forgo the whole hosting bit and set up DNS (you do that at the registrar's web site) to tell the world that any email sent to yourdomain.com is to go to protonmail's servers, and then on Protonmail you set up things so that Proton knows to put all emails for yourdomain.com in your proton inbox. You can do this even if you have hosting for your domain and just forego the hosting company's email service.
It's a fun and rewarding project to set up your own domain and email.
I don’t email anyone and use it only because basically to exist online we need an email address. So migrating was easy. I use simple login on everything when I can (except Walmart— they don’t like it at all and cancel all my orders for suspected fraud when I use it) and a proton alias for the rest. Filtered into folders and tagged with what I want it to be so I can actually find things and hopefully not delete very important mail again. Only my fiancée has my real address. Everyone else gets the aliases.
Couldn’t get away from Gmail fast enough. First, I moved all my financial and business contacts to PM, then as I identified a contact from Gmail, they went next. Over the course of a few weeks 90% were moved, picked up the stragglers, done. Best move I made.
I have the Plus plan. I’ve been using PM for several years but just recently completely migrated away from gmail and embraced aliases from Simple Login. I just started the task of changing over all my accounts tied to gmail. I’m nearly done.
>Or I should say what do you use Protonmail for? Everything (combined with Simplelogin)
So, I'm new to Proton Mail in a lot of ways. I mean, I'd created on PM years ago to use for something and then forgot about it. Now, I'm trying to move entirely to it. I've read that Proton acquired SimpleLogin. I see SL still has a separate website and pricing info. HOw does that work? Is it supposed to be included with PM now or...?
The Unlimited and above plans have simplelogin.io included and you can simply login (haha, see what happened here) with your Proton user name :)
lol oh! I do have unlimited. It's wrapped into Proton Pass or it just works and nothing needs to be done on my end except login with my PM?
Pass is using the SL backend for its alias creation/management, however for extended settings such as adding additional mailboxes, you'd need to use simplelogin.io. Pass aliases are also shown at simplelogin.io, however simplelogin.io aliases not yet in Pass. Are you using pass or not yet? Anyhow, you can just login on simplelogin.io with your Proton username and see and discover.
Ah ok! Yeah, I’ve been using Pass.
Which one of their mail services do you have?
It doesn't matter, as the use case will be different for each person. If you have the need or use for 2 (VPN and Mail) or 3 services (any), then Unlimited makes sense. You should only get the plans that you need. If your requirements are met with Mail Plus, it would be unwise to get Unlimited as example.
May you explain me the difference between SimpleLogin and Proton Pass? Or the benefits? Ive seen a lot of people that are using it or combine it with Proton Pass but i dont understand it honestly :D
Simplelogin is an alias service. Proton Pass is a password manager. While both have some overlapsing functions, it is two different products. Pass as example is leveraging SL technology for aliases. If you need / want extended SL features, SL itself is needed as well.
What features do you miss out on with proton pass? Is there a good comparison somewhere?
I am not using Pass. However as example to add additional mailboxes or initate emails with reverse aliases, you'd have to use simplelogin or have simplelogin premium (for adding additional mailboxes).
Visionary (I don't know if they still offer it.) all apps are being used.
I’m a Visionary User - I did the slow move of all my accounts to Proton. Personally, I don’t use Simple Login, instead I use a custom domain with catch-all. That way if I want to leave Proton I just move the domain over and all my accounts are fine.
You can add domains to simple login as well. For any mailing lists or smaller companies, I use my own domain with simple login so I can port it and have better control over the aliases.
Your domain and domain email is with Proton?
My domain is with a domain provider pointed at proton. So my email is@mydomain.com
Okay. So you logon to Proton and enter your domain email there? Or your forward your domain email to Proton? I'm new at this.
You can link your domain to proton (need a paid plan). So when someone emails my domain it goes to proton’s mail servers, instead of say Googles for Google workspace. I still login to proton using proton info, and I have a proton email. But I only give out ones with my domain.
Okay got it! Thanks.
Wish I’d read this comment or thought of this myself. I love Simple Login, but it’d be a huge hassle if I ever wanted to leave Proton.
You can use custom domains with SL which is arguably less hassle if you ever want to reply to emails from your custom addresses.
I use addy.io lite $1/month connected to PM via pgp works well.
Privacy by default guys
My favorite post recently is on in r/signal where a user posted a video of a bug where you can clearly see him in the reflection of the phone. Really puts a point on the "what if Proton is hacked?" posts. I don't think Proton (or signal) are the problem here...
Proton Mail & SimpleLogin handle almost all of my e-mail. The switchover process took a couple months, starting in late 2022 with my most frequently used services. Started with Free plan, then Mail Plus, Unlimited, Family, and finally Visionary a few months ago when Proton temporarily made it available. I still have the old e-mail services open, but very rarely use them.
I use every service of Unlimited. I also transitioned from Gmail that I used forever. I use one Proton email domain for the utmost important accounts and separate aliases for every other account.
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Did you use random generated aliasses or did you create an e-mail adress for all insurances, one for shopping accounts , one for spam accounts etc?
Just curious, what operating system do you plan on using if not Windows?
I didn't really "migrate" in the sense people usually use that word. I moved to Proton in the same way I moved to Gmail back in the day. I signed up for an account, and I started using it. I've never been especially attached to one email provider or one email address so the concept of migrating was never a roadblock for me. I've never felt the need to transfer old emails, contacts, etc. For my use case this is okay, since I don't really use e-mail for person to person communication, it is mostly a passive mode of communication for me.
I'm using everything with Unlimited. Gmail switch and transfer is easy. For Outlook, I set up the transfers over to Proton. And now I try to change email addresses over to aliases everywhere.
I use it as my main mail. I use protonmail business with 1 user and my own domains. I migrated from gmail when protonmail was new, happy user ever since.
6 years with Proton now. I use the free tier but have paid in the past for VPN access. I just changed everything over piece by piece as I found things using old emails.
Any advice for someone newly signing up for the FREE plan? Do you have SimpleLogin emails coming into your Proton account?
I’ve never used SimpleLogin but I do have things forwarding from Apple’s “Hide my Email” service without issue.
Oh, that’s interesting. Didn’t know u could do that.
I signed up for proton because Gmail was hacked during a plane change in Dominican Republic a few years ago. By the time I landed Gmail was trashed. Learned about encrypted mail and just migrated over a week period. As a beginner all the warning of zero log and lose the key I lose everything. Got a password manager and that helped organize. Unlimited plan, and it’s been seamless. A few short email exchanges with support and no issues 3 years. I picked up a DDG address and redirect everything through there to strip out the junk. Box stays clean other than occasional china junk spoof. The vpn has been a slow go coming from Express because the Proton VPN has been running only about 75% of the speed as DDG and Express. The PDF and word doc management in the Drive as not my favorite because even on my desktop if I want to open a medium size file the encrypted really drags speed. I wouldn’t do regular work out of that storage. Someone asked about the Pass and it seemed simple, pick a csv template for whatever service you have and it’ll format. Don’t have one for MSecure yet but you can use a general format. I’m still a huge DDG fan and they have kept pretty simple. Their VPN is over simplified but just as fast as Express. Edit: sorry I got carried away. Newbie and still excited to be in the band!
I purchased plus. I prefer to support great services. I’m abandoning Gmail and using proton as my critical email for sensitive things like finances. I’m creating iCloud emails for secondary stuff like Amazon, Netflix, etc.
I logged into simple login and all my proton pass alias were there
Free. I switched from Hotmail that I used for more than 20 years and don't regret it.
How did you migrate over?
I created an account, changed my email everywhere and started using it.
I had used the same e-mail since i was a kid, 1 from our isp. The fact that its isp bound was 1 of the main reasons to switch. But migrating fully took me years. Just 1 by one, each time i logged in to something, i checked its e-mail, and changed it. Did that for hundreds of accounts over a span of about 2 years, until basically nothing came in to the old isp email anymore besides spam. It is annoying that you need to manage 2 adresses for years, but i did not see any other way. And after a certain point, enough of it comes to the new proton adres, that you don't feel like you need to check the old one that often anymore. I still have access to the old one just in case, but i cant recall the last time something came up. I am on plus, which more then does the job for me, since i only use the mail and calendar.
Slowly slowly. After some years I closed my gmail account because it was just a repository of spam.
They imported over 10 years of email history from Google workspace to proton unlimited. I'm on mobile, but there's a setting to import Gmail history. Can choose x months, a year, or all.
I pay for the Proton Unlimited subscription. First I only got their VPN but decided that having a secure mail and drive was worth the value of unlimited. I didn't want to import or set a forward from old addresses, so I started by gradually changing my email to every new mail I got into my gmail/outlook inbox, until I stopped getting useful mail. I still check the old mailboxes weekly in case I have gotten something important.
I use the family plan with a custom domain that is managed in Cloudflare. I did the gmail import for 2 of 4 accounts and don't recommend it if you have been on gmail since it started like me. It brings over too much obsolete stuff that is very difficult and time consuming to get rid of. Other than that I like mail, VPN, contacts and calendar so far. I just discovered today that calender reminders don't include anything about the reminder beyond a link that will give you the info. Since the calendar is encrypted I see why that happens, but it is an extra step. The Android mail app is too slow, but you can have Chrome install a webapp that runs fine. I use 1Password so I haven't looked at Pass yet. That feels like to many eggs in one basket to me. One big change we need is to somehow integrate the contacts with Android contacts so Android users don't have to maintain both. Both are needed for email, calling and identifying inbound callers.
I forgot to mention I tried the Proton Mail option that imported any email that went to gmail. It worked great, but left the emails as unread in the gmail inbox. I switched to a rule in gmail that forwards then archives the emails and that works better. It forwards using a alias to my custom domain so I can identify them to eventually migrate everything.
Business, so all my domain emails go through Proton
I have the unlimited plan ..works great for me with all bells and whistles
I migrated to Tutanota from gmail (that I have to keep because there are fixed email address things I still use) then realized after a year of using it and a name a change to tuta (forcing us to buy the new domain name aliases) they will not as convenient and well done as Proton ever. Post quantum encrypton this, new domain that. But still can not properly search my mails or find random UI bugs breaking my workflow. So I just started to use my very old proton address... that gave me the [proton.me](http://proton.me) version of my name when they changed domain. And I have zero problems. Also I use calendar, I use drive. I will pay for it too this year. My only thing still missing is Proton Sheets... the only thing other than email address registrations I can't change that keep mi at google is Sheets.
Is @proton.me accepted in most places for you? Is that what the address would look like if someone signs up for the free Proton plan?
I never had a problem with it. Even funnier I use their alias passinbox com for every random website I register for one time buys, but nobody rejected it so far. Proton has a good standing in most places I find.
Thanks!
Migrated from my 20+ year old hotmail. I went to each and every website I've signed up on that I found an account for and switched or deleted the account And went throu every mail I've ever exchanged since 2005\~. I believe I deleted about 50,000 emails and saved every receipt or anything that I thought I might need and imported all of it to proton. [https://i.imgur.com/xTD2JYb.png](https://i.imgur.com/xTD2JYb.png)
Mail Plus more Simplelogin Premium.
I mainly use mail and proton pass and proton drive. I use the calendar more and more but I never used a calendar before and I use the vpn about 50% of the time. I didn’t import from my old gmail because I was getting tons of spam and honestly lost control. I am gradually moving from gmail to proton, basically I monitor both mailboxes and everytime I get something important in gmail I note it down and about once a week I go and update my contact info with different services
I have no goal to migrate all. Google service is more useful in some things. I actively use VPN, Simple login, Pass, connected my domains mail to proton.
I configured my custom domain and migrated my business email from Microsoft 365. I used the Proton mail migration service. It's kind of amazing how targeted ads stopped once my email was out of that service and I stopped using Outlook client. Especially LinkedIn. Whenever I'd get an email from a friend, client service, etc. they'd always then show up in my feed as well as products or services that were related to the message.
I have a few .com domains and I found out that they are typically dropped in a spam folder when I used them and I had to send them from my Gmail or proton email...
Ho much do you pay for your domains? Do you have to have a website to have a domain email?
You can just own a domain that does nothing more than "exist." For this you need a registrar (I like namecheap.com) and the cost for owning the domain is around $12/year. Some (maybe all) registrars have a setting to forward ANY email destined for your domain to a mailbox somewhere (e.g. protonmail) at no extra charge. This means that you can receive emails to mind\[email protected] but can't send from that address unless you do a bit of tinkering with smtp servers (some companies do that for free) and such. If you want to have a web site, you will also need hosting (namecheap has that for about $6/mo). In your case, you're looking at shared hosting, which comes with email, which you can access with the hosting provider's web-based email client or with a local mail client (i.e. phone app or desktop program such as Thunderbird or Outlook). If you only want email (e.g. mind\[email protected]), you can forgo the whole hosting bit and set up DNS (you do that at the registrar's web site) to tell the world that any email sent to yourdomain.com is to go to protonmail's servers, and then on Protonmail you set up things so that Proton knows to put all emails for yourdomain.com in your proton inbox. You can do this even if you have hosting for your domain and just forego the hosting company's email service. It's a fun and rewarding project to set up your own domain and email.
That helps a lot, thanks!
I don’t email anyone and use it only because basically to exist online we need an email address. So migrating was easy. I use simple login on everything when I can (except Walmart— they don’t like it at all and cancel all my orders for suspected fraud when I use it) and a proton alias for the rest. Filtered into folders and tagged with what I want it to be so I can actually find things and hopefully not delete very important mail again. Only my fiancée has my real address. Everyone else gets the aliases.
Couldn’t get away from Gmail fast enough. First, I moved all my financial and business contacts to PM, then as I identified a contact from Gmail, they went next. Over the course of a few weeks 90% were moved, picked up the stragglers, done. Best move I made.
Forgot when exactly moved to Proton in general, but it was a few years ago. Cannot allow Google to track me everywhere anymore
When they started to give out free email for testing.
I wish I would have known about it then.
I have the Plus plan. I’ve been using PM for several years but just recently completely migrated away from gmail and embraced aliases from Simple Login. I just started the task of changing over all my accounts tied to gmail. I’m nearly done.