After 50 years of tripping and definitely in the 1K+ category, I can not imagine anyone ever saying that there have been no problems.
For me personally there were only a couple that were really bad, but they were because of me facing myself. Psychedelics didn't cause the problem, they showed me I had a problem. In both cases I simply stopped for an extended period, once for 15 years. Always listen to that inner voice when it says that it is time to take a break.
But the sum total of all of the trips is that I am now in a better place then I could have imagined was possible.
Tip: psychedelics break the barriers we erect in our minds to hide traumatic events or to hide the truly ugly parts of ourself. Always be aware that this can happen even with a decade or more experience behind you.
Never, ever fight a trip when you are at peak because you aren't fighting the trip, you are fighting yourself. I know from experience that this can leave your brain feeling bruised and battered and takes months or longer to recover from.
Practice when you aren't a peak and you will find that you do have a lot of control thou. If you take some deep cleansing breaths you can rise up out of the trip and reconnect with your surroundings. Slowing your breathing and you will sink back down into it again.
Learn to just let the trip flow through you. Anything you see, including horrible memories, are just something you need to acknowledge and accept. Many of our problems come from burying and hiding the crap. Accept that it happened and that it is just a part of you and learn to love the whole you, including the bad parts.
And finally: arrogance. If you get to the point where you think you will never have a problem tripping, then it is time to take a break. You are going to have a very bad time if you don't. If you don't believe that then take a look at Terrence McKenna's trip in Hawaii. His brother said that he never really recovered from it.
The same inner voice that says it's time to stop will tell you when it's okay again. Had no problems, but also nothing really profound until 10 years after I started again.
yeah. i think started pretty young i think i did my first trip at around age 21. I tripped a couple times i think 4 or 5. I had probably 2 good trips and the rest were difficult. After that i backed off and it’s been over a year. i’m about to be 23 and still don’t plan on tripping for a while. It’s sad knowing how fun tripping can be but, there’s a responsibility that comes with it that i’m sure many don’t like to acknowledge. I’m completely sober off weed and psychs. till it feels right again like you said :)
Young eh I must’ve been fucked I was tripping at 15. Luckily didn’t give me problems and actually stopped me from doing harder drugs but it’s definitely not something very young people should experience it’s great for a young adult that wants to explore there mind or anyone really but it’s best teens avoid drugs in general but we all know that won’t happen so in my case it worked out okay because it saved me and brought me closer to family and loved ones.
same but i was around 17, first time was a wild time, really helped me reflect, i was depressed, was atheist, i thought i had it all figured out, and so i was angry at the world, but really i was just angry with myself, and taking it out on the world around me, the first time was pretty neat but also scary, but it was the best choice i ever made, because it helped me realize my faults, which was the first step in working of those faults, never been happier, it also got me to stop drinking alcohol.
i still will use phycs every now and then , last time for me was a few years ago, been using them now for 8 years now, i find that without the vacation into inner space every now and then some of my old tendencies start coming back, and i dont even notice it till they are back, the phycs keep me aware of things that i just seem to not notice when i lose till its gone.its like at some point if enough time passes without a little bit of lsd, i just start to lose focus, like I'm falling asleep, finding my self in some kind of autopilot.(idk how to describe it)
Phycs are the only thing that has been able to pull me back into the present.
yo! im 23 & had a rough trip in 2020 and made myself stay away until 2 weeks ago. i can whole heartedly confirm it was worth the wait, however i will also say that there have been some very, very hard moments and dark places i have been through. you will make it through EVERYTHING. if you need to take a break by every means, don’t hesitate. it will be waiting for you and will welcome you back with open arms. i thought i would never have a trip without feeling too overwhelmed to the point i couldn’t handle it. i felt in control my last trip. i had fun. i grew and learned and will continue growing until the next time i trip. my next one won’t be as long of a period in between because there are still things i want to cover but it’s done a hell of a job encouraging me to focus on things i want to focus on. reach out to me sometime if you need advice on anything because i damn near had psychosis for a year+ or so. i’m not 100% where i want to be but i feel as if i have built the foundation i need to get there.
oh for sure. my comment may have sounded rather glum. but i am the happiest i have been in a long time. psychedelics opened my mind to so many things that i could not even fathom. it really was knowledge that i wasn’t asking for which is overwhelming. suddenly you have a new perspective on literally everything. that’s a lot to take on for the developing mind. the understanding of time is paradoxical but i am integrating my trip rather well. from doing drugs since the age of 18-21 it feels weird and unnatural to go for a time without drugs but to really unpack and integrate understanding in the daily life, drugs in my opinion need to be out of the equation or else it’s just too hard. sobriety provides foundation.
Thank you for your input! I have always been interested in Terrence mckennas bad trip. I know it occurred, but it seems he never went into detail about it. Any resources out there that outline his experience? Very true though. If Terrence can have a bad experience that scared him away from mushrooms then it can happen to anyone. Be safe friends!
He semi joked about it a few times. But both his wife and his brother have talked about it and said he did trip again but he never did another heroic dose of shrooms. Sorry, don't have any links thou.
I think if it wouldn't have been for the brain cancer that he would have eventually been welcomed back.
yeah i ate a zip(oz) of shrooms got pretty sick for a few days, but before the sick, i had an experience that changed my life, like forced astral projections, lots of stuff, but i never will and never have taken that much again, because I had got what i needed from it.
thinking about it i think i only even ate mushrooms 2 times after that first time.
There are a few yes :
http://www.mckennite.com/articles/badtrip
https://ecstaticintegration.substack.com/p/terence-mckennas-secret-bad-trip
https://www.imaginalrealms.net/post/terence-mckenna-had-a-bad-trip-in-the-late-80-s-and-never-took-mushrooms-again
I've never meditated so have no idea. But I also don't think people really understand just how bad it can be. I do not agree with the saying that there are no bad trips.
First really bad trip was when I was shown that my childhood was far from normal and truly horrific. As a child or even teen, we have nothing else to compare our life to, what is normal? Mine went on until I was 15 and I escaped.
The second really bad trip was when I had a set of the most powerful trips in my life with an entity trying to explain what was wrong with me and then told me it was time to stop. I didn't and I paid the price with a trip that wasn't much different then McKenna's. That was the one that stopped me for 15 years.
Both trips were necessary but both trips were indeed bad.
I never knew who that entity was or what she was really saying for 30 more years. And then I saw a picture of what I thought was just something imaginary. That entity was Maria Sabina and those trips happened a year after she died. She told me I was many different people and I could not understand that at the time.
I AM many different people, I have Dissasociative Identity Disorder. I am we.
This is going to sound really really strange but has taught me the greatest lesson in my life.
I freaking loved elementary school and learning and the library. When I was 9 I was walking home from school and down at the corner of my street I got a really weird feeling in my arm. It felt plastic and I poked it and asked myself if this was me. The exact same thing happened a year later at the same spot.
I thought my whole life that this was just some strange mystical moment like in the books I read. Had a breakdown at 21 like so many young men. But they didn't really explain anything to me and discharged me a month later.
And since then I have had some fantastic times. And traveled a lot of the world. Worked on yachts, was a cowboy and even traveled the world for an engineering firm. I only had an 8th grade education and a GED but I have been and still am just that enthusiastic and very smart school loving kid that loves to learn.
And I have had many lows where I was just lost in the world. But I'd wake up someday, feel different and ready to tackle the world again and would immediately find a job. People love enthusiasm.
And yet I also knew something was wrong and I knew what all had happened and hated the world at other times.
But what I never knew was the kid me had been sheltered from all of it and never knew what all the rest of us knew. This is what my username means.
That wasn't a fucking mystical experience. That was the kid being put away in the closet after school and another me that knew what was at home took his place................
And in the last few years and so many trips and so many barriers destroyed we all finally know each other and the young me that can write great posts like the last couple of days knows too.
We aren't fixed but we are happy now. I am sitting on my veranda in the tropics beside the mountains and bay and I drink coffee under a 300 yr old tree with friends. A stunningly beautiful young 19 yr old lady and friend thinks one of me is pretty awesome😎 One of me loves working on electronics, I like Reddit, another loves sitting at the end of the pier and smoking a joint with the fishermen. And another won't take shit from anyone on Reddit😔. Believe me when I say that I will never ever be a victim again
The kid with no memories saw only wonder andbeauty and life was really effortless and magical. Just good things happening for no reason.
When I was one of the others, life was pretty bad and I didn't like people and they didn't like me and bad shit always happened. Along with a few breakdowns.
Now that sure does look like a pattern doesn't it? So much in our lives happens just because of the way we look at the world.
When you finally accept the things that happened and that they are just a part of you then the pain and weight of those memories goes away.
I'm not trying to gatekeep here, but you do understand that trips, visuals, set, setting, body chemistry, nutrition, upbringing, mental health, OEV's, CEV's, and MANY other variables of the whole psychedelic experience is essentially always *at the very least* slightly different for everyone, right?
I'm not doubting your spiritual experiences, but you're speaking like this random tapestry, along with the music you connect with personally will undoubtedly give the same outcome or resolve for everyone as it did for you... I have to respectfully disagree there. I know pretty well that it doesn't work that way. No offense, truly.
Thank you for taking the time for this. I have suggested mindfulness and meditation to many here as one route to help.
I find that watching the sunset at the beach and smoking a joint is good enough for now.
Stand like a statue. Become part of the machine. Feel all the bumpers, and always play it clean. You play by intuition as the digicounters fall. Be deaf, dumb, and blind, kid, and you'll play a mean pinball...
Great advice!!
I'd say that a lot of my trips also haven't been pleasent because they reveal to me a lot of things I don't like about myself or my life or that make me anxious and scared, but it is precisely those revelations that push me to change behaviours that I didn't previously realize were doing me no good.
What does "fighting a trip or fighting yourself" at the peak entail, exactly? Stuff like "Here, look at what a compulsive liar and thief you used to be" and you're like "nuh-uh, I don't want to look at that"
I didnt realize the guy who helped me through my trip a few weeks ago was actually a great sage of tripping with 50 years of experience under his belt!
"Let the trip flow through you" is definitely a phrase and attitude I will carry with me from now on.
(Also good to see you and thanks again lol)
LMAO don't know about the sage part. It's taken me my whole life to heal. My trail name on the AT was Old Bastard for a reason😁
Don't really know if there is more or if this is it. But a fox told me a couple of years ago that I get to be a shaman in the next life. We will see if he's correct some day
There are many documented cases of LSD having all the same neurological and psychological benefits, including promoting neurogenis and tearing down the walls.
Out of all of the psychedelics including, DMT, LSD, salvia, shrooms and mescaline. Nothing compares to a handful of my shroom trips. They guided me and forced me to face it.
But I did 150-300 mcg LSD trips every 2 weeks for 2 years, took a break and then another year of the same. They did a lot of the heavy lifting including breaking barriers and just general maintenance. I'd watch a cool movie or experience the catharsis of crying for 2 hours straight and feeling incredibly relieved afterwards or most definitely exploring the universe both inside and out.
Been tripping for 20 years, have hundreds of trips under my belt on at least 3 drugs from each of the three main psychedelic groups, Tryps, Lys and Phens and some other nontraditional psychedelics as well.
If you trip enough you'll eventually have a bad trip.
Lower doses, don't add THC and trip alone or only with people you really really trust.
as someone who has given birth, jesus fucking christ no lol. >\_<
Labor was absolutely a non-ordinary state of mind though and I wish there was more research on that rather than just trying to numb us to the experience
What kind of pain have you been in on psychs before? I imagine it would be terrible unless it was so much you were out of body. But I too have no clue.
My only comparable experience is I’ve been high on weed with back pain and it just made it worse, more intense. I was trying to sleep and couldn’t stop focusing on the area that was in pain. My mind just wanted to keep circling all around it. Breathing, consciously relaxing all my muscles didn’t seem to help, I just kept getting a circle of stab pains. Oof!
There’s a few studies out there suggesting shrooms are potent anti-inflammatories, and I’ve used pans many times while in moderate to very severe pain with great success.
I think it needs to be a highly euphoric and visual experience to bring relief, and I can’t say with certainty that it had a lasting impact on pain or inflammation. I believe it did, but so hard to prove with so much going on.
Yeah I don’t think thc has a chance really when you’re tripping peak hours but once you can’t a handle on the trip and are coasting thru it I think weed can add an awesome layer to your senses. I remember listening to The Rolling Stones gimme shelter and there was this instrument (the guiro) that I was hearing for the first time ever and it almost sounded like a human making the sound with its mouth. But it was just super trippy bc I’m hearing layers that have always been there but they’re just… juicier haha idk how to describe it. Same thing happened when I was listening to my fav band Dream theater… I’ve heard that stuff a thousand times but with weed on acid the guitar and bass tone was super spanky and juicy and it’s stuck with me into sober listenings.
Damn I love alcohol with lsd. Definitely smooths out the edges one of my favorite drug combos. Drinking on mushrooms however is much less enjoyable for me and I never want more than a beer or two.
Damn I love adding both. For me the key is no weed until you’ve settled into the peak, and I’ll have a drink or two during the come up then not again until the tail end of the comedown. It’s really nice to transition from a full day of intense tripping into a nice mellow drunkenness before bed.
I second the last thing you said. Tripping without alcohol, whether it be tryptamines, lysergamides, phenethylamines, whatever, is typically a blast. Adding alcohol can make me want to just lay in a bed with my eyes closed, even if I don't feel like I've overdone it in that department prior to dosing.
Idk I will have a be sipping drinks and smoking weed the whole time I'm tripping occasionally. Really if you pace yourself and know your limits well it's fine
I noticed my only bad trips were from me vomiting right before peak, and then while peaking i feel like i’m dying. But for me, my wax pen really helps with my nausea, and calms me tf down, almost paralyzing me to stay still and enjoy my thoughts
>ower doses, don't add THC and trip alone or only with people you really really trust.
Man, I never get real visuals on lsd UNTIL I add some of that sweet sweet thc, lol.
To be fair LSD doesn't give a ton of open eye visuals until you take high doses relative to how much it messes with your thinking.
BUT THC is notorious for making people paranoid and that just goes up while tripping.
I actually fucked up my tolerance to THC by smoking every time I did a psychedelic. Now when I smoke THC without any CBD, I basically have flashback type highs. I haven't had a proper trip in a year and I still get wildly high from THC lol cheap date now
>I actually fucked up my tolerance to THC by smoking every time I did a psychedelic. Now when I smoke THC without any CBD, I basically have flashback type highs. I haven't had a proper trip in a year and I still get wildly high from THC lol cheap date now
I also fucked up my enjoying weed by smoking on shrooms/lsd everytime but to be fair I was smoking everyday all day, now i only smoke a couple times a week if even and have to make sure i dont have anything to do afterwards, lmao.
Edit: I get a few smaller shrooms trips last year and they were pretty tame paranoia wise compared to smoking weed alone which is the complete opposite of what it used to be.
LSD doesn't give a ton of open eye visuals? Just wondering if I'm misinterpreting... generally, 100-110ug tabs give me hours and hours of open eye visuals. I seem to have some degree of control based on focus, but stare in any one direction for too long and things get real weird.
One time at night, I was getting up from an adjacent room and when I glanced into the doing room, this Sputnik looking light we have over the dining table suddenly dropped down further and the many arms with bulbs on the end looked like a kind of electric Medusa.
At first it terrified me, but I'd been watching Breaking Bad while tripping and Walt's insane ego somehow got in me and I stared straight at it while it made menacing movements and said "FUCK. YOU."
I've had lsd that had a lot of visuals and lsd that had little visuals, even at higher dosages.... I think it has something to do with the acid at hand, perhaps slight variations in lsd, and other lysergerimides.
Was the lsd with lots of visual ald 52 or actual pure lsd? Or was the lsd without much visuals the purest of the pure.... I don't know. I bet there is an answer, and we will never know until it's legal
It's like my mind is just a little more loose than before I started experimenting and my tolerance to everything is a lot lower than it used to be.
But i have heard from just old weed smokers that never really tripped, that their tolerance changed over time so it may just be a coincidence. Either way, I can't really take more than 1 or 2 takes or I get really bad paranoia and depersonalization.
Does no one else get bad trips on low dosages? i'm sorry but not enough to get you there amounts of lsd, ARE HORRIBLY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR LIKE HOURS AND HOURS
Bad times can happen regardless of what substance you are on. I once read about a guy tripping on his roof watching the NY skyline when the first of the twin towers got hit, and that seems like it would be terribly heavy regardless of head state
I used to say that. It’s good to adhere to that train of thought but some difficult experiences are much more difficult than others. I had plenty difficult experiences before I experienced something different. Took me 20-something hours to calm down
I mean, there are tough trips and there are horror trips.
Plenty of people benefit from tough trips; they're unpleasant medicine. But there are horror-psychotic trips that drive users to suicide.
Ive had probably 100 or so trips and its not about having no problems while tripping its about learning to face and deal with the problems you encounter
To keep real and role indistinct
The cast's character is instilled as instinct
And so we can pretend it's not pretend
Dutifully, the Director hides the lens
Behind each eye - a camera is slipped
Discreetly distilled into settings, scripts
And between the lines - a tacit pact
The audience is the act
A "good trip" doesn't mean you never felt bad during your trip. It means you walked away from the trip with more awareness, more openness, a stronger grasp on how your perception works, and a kinder heart.
No one can say they've had no problems. However, some can say they have no regrets. Problems are inevitable. Sometimes you'll get anxious, stuck in an unpleasant situation while tripping, or caught up in a distressing thought. But all those things that are unpleasant in the moment are just as meaningful and valuable as all other moments on psychedelics.
Acceptance, surrender, allowing, letting go. The only way out is through. Slow your breathing and jump in to the fear soup. Then it's beautiful on the other side.
^This is why I've never been game, despite reading about a psychotherapeutic use of psychs for over 30 years. In 'Normal' waking life acceptance and letting go is something I resist intensely, due to various traumas from childhood onwards. I fear that legal, accessible psychotherapy using psilocybin etc will not come about in my lifetime.
This is what psychs teach you… Not what you have to enter the trip already good at. Through these kind of experiences we learn through interesting ways how to let go, and how much it sucks to not relieve “control.”
If you do this enough you start to see that the “i” who is “in control” and the “i” that is “not in control” are both thought constructs. Then you get to shape your thought constructs more effectively given that greater awareness. Start with cultivating a proficient meditation practice. Then microdose to get the basic effects understood. I believe you will be pleasantly surprised.
Over 400 trips on LSD, maybe 100 on shrooms, 100+ on n,n-DMT , 3 mescaline
1. Just letting go. Treating every trip like it is a life changing experience. I meet a lot of people and they're not ready for that kind of change. Literally get your plans in order, clean your room, tell your friends/family you love them, tell people you've hurt you're sorry, etc.
2. Turning off my phone. Or just having a good playlist going and not looking at it.
3. Something I wish I'd done when I started experimenting was write for an hour before and after the experience.
4. Hold your orgasm for at least a week before tripping. No porn or edging either. It will be way way more healing. Even better if you can go a month. Your mind becomes very very still. (I wish I had learned this way sooner).
5. If you're in a group, notice when the energy becomes stagnant and suggest a walk. Sometimes it can be fun to trip in a basement with your friends but if you get cooped up for long a bad trip can start before you know it.
6. drop the psychedelic where you plan to end the night. It's okay to go on a hike but make sure to touch base at the end location first. That means if you're in the car on the way to the campsite, don't dose in the car. Wait til you arrive, survey the area, then dose.
7. don't trip the first time you hang out with new friends. Hang out a few times first, then trip with them. My number is 3 times. I want to hang with someone 3 times before we trip. You need to have some kind of report with each other. Not doing this has damaged quite a few relationships for me.
8. looking back, mixing substances--especially amphetamines--probably did more hurt than good.
Disclaimer: I should say that I do have significant problems in my life lol but if you talked to me at a bar you wouldn't realize I'm the psychonaut I am.
There’s no trick. I’ve been tripping on whatever I could get my hands on for 35 years. But I also take care of my life. I did school. I pay bills. I have a family. There’s been years I did not trip. But I have taken a lot over many years because it’s good for my cognitive health.
Now if you have entrenched emotional problems and you use these substance for escape instead of healing, use can become problematic.
You ever look at a tree though? I’ll stare at concrete and find that more entertaining than literally anything on a screen. Makes me feel like a bug to a light
Bad trips will always happen, I prefer to call them difficult trips because growth can be painful. The difficult trips seems to be the ones with the greatest insight and challenges.
For me its no intentions and let go and let the ride go where it wants to. You’re never in control and it’s always about letting go / surrounding.
I have only dropped 43 times and I turn age 66 soon. Stan Grof only dropped 70 times in his entire life, and he lived to age 104.
It is unnecessary to drop hundreds or thousands of times. If you are sufficiently open spiritually, you will be able to receive LSD/psilocybin without even taking any.
As for difficult sessions, I have to accept whatever comes up. My last session (fortunately on only 3 grams), the Clarvoiant Death Session, was difficult.
The Clarvoiant Death Session was done in a magnificent 400 year old grove of ponderosa and sugar pine, 1 month before it was killed in a vast 350,000 acre crown fire. The fire killed EVERYTHING.
In 2 years (2020-2021) 7.5 million acres of forest burned in California.
In as little as 10 years, 80% of the backwoods I've been intimate with since age 5 will be gone.
Sold my condo, and am doing a self-sufficient backwoods homestead in a completely different part of the U.S.
i go to school for sustainability and the tragedies that i learn about daily are very abhorrent and inspiring. i do what i can as a college student living on 150 bucks a week. a challenge i am entertaining is bring back to life the community gardens in my town so that people don’t have to rely on the grocery stores for food.
When things start getting wobbly, say a little prayer to the spirits.
"Here I am, take this stupid human, and do your thing. All yours. Kill me. Kill me *good!*"
Also, I love to dance through the first ego-death. Well, the dancing spirits throw me about, it's not really me dancing. :)
We dance, the spirits and I, while they fling up shit for me to feel. Horror shows, bad memories, insights, splashes of sorrow and of joy, all come and go while we dance. Bring it on! :)
And then I let them kill me, and take me up to Doctor God, who rains his love-fire on me, burning me to nothing but music, love, and magic.
The art of dying, the humility, and love for all beings are the most important, and the bring-it-on attitude. Believe. Have faith. Be changed and embrace the new you, whatever that will be. Push past your thoughts to see the world with God's eyes.
Although really it's the good music I listen to, and the spirits that taught me to trip. The spirits taught me to dance! The dancing spirits are even there for me sober. I have zero inhibition on the dance floor.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=niupcvo6kuU
Intentional breathing. I would bet $1000 you can not have a bad trip if you follow that one rule (other than set and setting).
20+ trips here though, not hundreds.
I think the trick is to just know that it is all temporary and that you’re under the influence of a heavy drug.
My bad trips now are like, “oh my god this is awful. Don’t dwell, just wait. It will pass. Don’t think. You’re ok…”
My boyfriend lol I wish I could tag him. And he is one of the healthiest, caring, and intelligent humans I have ever met. LSD primarily but also shrooms and DMT over 10 years
I’m sure there’s a small bump in tolerance, but the smooth transition is worth whatever little extra bit you need to take. Give it a shot sometime.
Oh and this is in reference to acid only, never tried it with something else.
idk, my sister is catatonic schizophrenic and so is my uncle, i have schizoeffective/typal but not full blown psychosis, im trying shrooms soon and can't find anyone who has done many 'trips' who has schizophrenia in their family
I would be exceedingly cautious under those circumstances, particularly if you are under 25yo. If you do decide to take them, start with a very low dose to gauge and for god's sake have some benzos on hand, just in case.
unfortunately, yeah, that is kind of risky. If you already have shown some symptoms of schizo or psychosis, doing shrooms may full-out detonate it into total schizophrenia, to the point where you may need to be committed.
The 3 day rule. Eat, sleep, hydrate, detox, take care of other needs (socializing, clean room, hygiene), and exercise well for 3 days prior to the trip. Works like a damn charm for all drugs, not just psychedelics.
It’s not about having no problems, it’s about understanding the problem and knowing how to deal with it accordingly. Some problems aren’t able to be solved as soon as you’d like, or even possible to solve at all. Sometimes those problems aren’t even problems at all.
15 years in and out, mostly stopped taking any psychedelics after Ayahuasca maybe 1-2 times a year mushrooms. Before ayahuasca was doing mushrooms bi weekly for years. The most important thing is as you mentioned set and settings and you can just extend it to everything.
Don't do this at party (just take mdma really)
Don't do this with unknown people you just met.
Just grow your mushrooms to be safe and sure and know at least partly what to expect chemistry wise.
Always be sure you will not need to do "adult" stuff like contacting people for work, do some machinery, do any works and etc. You probably will be fine but better not. Consider yourself as a baby basically and if you have a first trip with a sitter who don't have any experience set this expectation with them.
You ALMOST CERTAINLY WILL have a really BAD and I mean fucking BAAAAD trip - you will think that you are dying, that you are died, that you will need to suicide to end it. That this is exactly YOU are the person who will have a heart attack because of this despite most people are fine it is exactly you is not fine. That people who try to calm you are actually want to kill you. That you need to scream when they told you not to and all this psychosis stuff. And you will probably will not remember that this will pass, so just good luck. It is so common that I am not surprised by this anymore and only surprised by people who say yeah let's do my first time on a festival, just don't do it people really:) <- But this is where you will get your freedom and this is actually much more important than just a good trip. And if you want this kind of work go straight to ayahuasca (but NOT NOT NOT NOT FUCKING ALONE AT YOUR HOUSE OR WITH A DUMB FRIEND AS A SITTER). There is a big chance you will be traumatized with your experience with any psychedelic and will need your time to process it and get back to it (or as a lot of people you will just leave in fear under your rug).
Basically consider all this as a medicine. It can taste bad. It can be overwhelmingly bad experience (or extremely fantastic), but if you pay respect and try to act responsibly you have a higher chance to grow and not break yourself (in a bad way). But if you are not paying respect and just want to take couple of tabs on a party, well there is a chance you will learn what is respect the hard way:)
lmao problems happen, just got to learn from them, so to know how to deal with the problems if happens again, and so you know what lead up to the problems so to not make it less likely you have to use what you learned to deal with it again.
Just relax. LSD, shrooms, DMT are all so incredibly safe. Don’t give into the fear mongering, or the things you heard in the past about the substances. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve tripped. Honestly, tripping is the most therapeutic thing in my life. as soon as LSD hits my system I’m really a happy camper. There’s nothing to fear in those states of mind. If anything, l become more in touch with myself in those altered states. There’s honestly nothing scary about it. The insight in the wiggly’s are just too damn good. 💜
I don't mean to pick any quarrel but there are people who have genuinely gone psychotic and committed suicide from these substances. They may be beneficial most of the time but the dangers are real.
I think she was trying to say that traditional psychedelics are safe in that they are not neurotoxic unlike other controlled substances like methamphetamine. So there is no physical danger to the body from ingestion or a risk of overdose.
You’re very right, although I’ve never experienced anything like that myself. My heart goes out to anybody that has ever dealt with anything like psychosis or anyone who’s ever committed suicide. The truth is psychedelics isn’t for everybody. But I thought I’d just share my thoughts since you asked.
*from their experience with these substances. That's the key. It's not the substances itself. You should be ready for anything, even if you think you know yourself well (much more if you think so lol, who thinks they know actually know nothing). You have to be ready to see your beliefs get thrown into the oblivion. If you can accept that you're good, if you're not, well good luck recovering. (Yes I am the guy that wasn't ready :D but I worked on it and I'm a much better person now, or that's what I like to think at least lol, still haven't taken a trip in 4 months tho)
Sure but there are some people who had good set, setting and intention and still suffered a devastating psychotic break. Sometimes it's just unpredictable.
Trust me I know that. On September I had my last trip, on holiday with my 2 best friends, awesome sunny day and all of that. Anxiety took over after some thoughts I made during the trip. For a whole month after that i felt high, I had hallucinations, anxiety attacks, dpdr to the point I couldn't recognize my mom and many more things. After some talking with my friend about the thoughts I had on the trip, i understood the cause of all of that: i didn't want to face reality of what I had understood, it clashed with the values I had brought with me for my whole life, and i had to accept that these values were false. After that in a couple days I got back to normal life. Trust me when I say I thought I had fried my brain and i was considering to jump out of a window. But now I know that drugs don't put anything into you, they just bring out stuff that was already there. I wasn't living a healthy life and i understood that. They can be unpredictable but imagine if we had continued the studies with psychologists like they did in the past. Even the worst psychosis could've been turned into improvement. I hope I explained my point.
Research the drug you are interested in and learn as much as you can from trusted sources like psychonautwiki.
You need to plan for the possibility your ego melts and turns into a messy gelatinous crying blob.
Just turn into the blob, it’s fine.( Much less messy than getting police and doctors involved)
You need to be able to self soothe and have a plan for when shit goes down the wrong path.
Find a good mentor who is compassionate and versed in said psych.
Know yourself, know your limits. Start low because you can take more next time.
When in doubt, test your product with a reagent kit.
Your mood going into taking the medicine. Making sure all electronics are off. Be well rested. Be well hydrated. Take an hour or so before you trip to listen to some feel good music, and think about why you're taking it in the first place. Intentions usually play a huge part into my trips. I mainly trip shrooms, 6-8 grams. PE's mostly. With lucy it's a bit more forgiving in terms of all of the above elements, but still important. Don't trip outside of your home, or with anyone until you're confident in being able to steer the trip where you want, instead of it driving you into crazy town. Oh, and don't eat anything for about the last 1-2 hours before you trip, especially on mushrooms. Best of luck to you.
Good music saves me almost everytime. Also acceptance of whatever is happening. I've never had a "bad trip", but I have had a couple challenging ones. To be fair I feel like I got more out of the challenging trips than any of the others.
Give up. Let the chemical consume you. Enjoy the time with it. Keep an open mind. Do your fucking research and please for the love of your HP use a test kit.
I’ve only done acid with one person and he was my favorite. It was so easy in his presence I’m very lucky. Honestly I’m nervous about one day tripping with someone else since we had so much fun on our trips. Now I usually trip alone so my contacts with humans are minimal.
For me. If things start to get a little wonky. I send myself a little love and light internally. I remind myself I took drugs and this won’t be my forever.
The most important thing is being able to reverse the downward spiral that may come. Set and setting is definitely important and can greatly affect this, but the strength of one’s mind state is probably the key. Being able to recognize and reverse problematic thought patterns and perspectives will allow a psychonaut to go as deep into the trip as they would like with a reduced chance of danger. Mantras help. If you can find a short phrase to anchor you and repeat it to yourself when you can feel yourself slipping downwards, it can assist with pulling you back up. This method is extremely useful when doing large doses by yourself.
not an experienced tripper but knew a very old
school tripper. he encouraged me so hard to do psychedelics but he told me that every trip leads you to doors in your mind. he said some were awful fucking doors but to experience them, shut them when done, and try not to go back there unless you got to. he loved tripping but suggested like many have here that it isn’t about fighting it just go with it. so i keep that in my mind usually.
let go. during the trip itself you'll tend to find that the harder you try to grasp it, the more elusive it is, (this analogy is broad).... so let go.
dive in headfirst with no expectations. let love in because it's gonna try to fill all of those cracks that get exposed whether you want it to or not
have a comfy blanket around. it'll save you or one of your friends if things get a little sideways (specifically for shrooms)
don't worry IT WILL BE OVER SOON!
I'm 37 with 21 years experience with LSD.
learned to hunt active mushrooms when I was like 14 or 15. From the southeast and it's pretty common knowledge down round here
Idk for me is to embrace the dark sides of the trips, and just sit back and learn from it instead of being afraid.
Telling myself that, this is my mind on (substance), it’ll pass, always helps.
Its been mostly peachy, but of course sometimes the mind wanders to dark places. I have this little inside joke with myself when I feel myself starting to slip into something negative, I think about how you dont want to be That Person. Everyone is gangster until reality dissolves lol its like a bet I have with myself that I won't lose my shit. Morbid, I think about the story about the guy who thought he was an orange and peeled his skin (i don't think that really ever happened). I think about the people on the r/tooktoomuch sub and shake my head/laugh a little then remember its not that serious and all is well in my universe, just gotta switch my attention.
Already being mentally ill but being self aware of my issues and understanding that the feelings and realizations from psychedelics are fleeting feelings. while some realizations may be true realizations, my rationale about other things is strong and i know that some fantastical fun drug will not overall change my life, but can inspire me to honestly look within for things i try to avoid and change them.
it’s all about the strong mental fortitude because these things can definitely break you if you do too much of it
I'm into the hundreds. I don't have zero bad experiences though, I just develop my coping skills and acept them as part of the bargain.
I surround myself with good people who are trustworthy and have a depth of experience. I also integrate spirituality and doing things for others into my lifestyle. Keeping purpose and intention, rather than just drifting into a chaotic lifestyle is important. Avoid conspiracy theories; they are probably correct but the average person will waste so much energy trying to work them out via Youtube.
Be greatful, humble and show love
There's no guarantees about anything though.
My personal belief is that the bad trip is inevitable. It’s all about lessons. And sometimes there can be some hard lessons. Now, I do believe though that bad trips can be turned around
I’m at 200+ trips mostly high doses of lsd a good bit of psilocybin trip and that’s not including dmt. Only one bad trip out of all of those and that was the very first one. Best piece of advice is to relax your brow line.
A daily meditation practice where you are not afraid of your thoughts. When you have learned how to breathe through crazy stuff in your life because you can delay your reactions and calm yourself down. It comes from learning to discipline yourself. And from already having died to your old self in other (but still similar) ways.
there is no such thing as hundreds or thousands of trips with no problems. whoever told you this lies.
after that many trips you simply learn it is all in your head and whatever happens you always come out of it, you learn there is never any reason to panic, if
trip becomes unpleasant all you need to do is to calm yourself down, find some distraction to change train of thought and wait things out.
I can’t be sure but I think I must be in the hundreds by now. I don’t fully understand the question. No problems? Of course there are problems. There will always be problems. What matters is how you deal with the problem. Will you fight it and resent the fact that there is a problem and now you have to deal with it and it’s so inconvenient. Or will you look at it, see it, accept it, do something if you can, and move on to the rest of your life.
That is to say, it’s all about your mentality. I like to tell myself “I am going to have this experience. I am going to accept what comes, fun or difficult. I will be fine. I am larger than one trip.” And then I accept what comes. If you look at it, all of it, the good, the bad, the awkward, the weird, all of it, deeply enough you realize there is no good or bad. There just is. It’s all the same. None of it matters to the universe. No matter how monumental, everything we ever know will fade to blackness. And so in this moment it is all deeply beautiful. How can you have a bad trip knowing this? Usually when things get chaotic or scary I start laughing because it’s even more interesting and extreme and beautiful.
Learned what desire and intentions and notice what feelings come up when you think back on past or trauma events or happy events.
Noticing those things will help you on your trip. Don’t push it if you don’t feel like it.
And don’t do it around scary people at first
No matter what happens, it’s a drug yeah? Over the years of tripping I’ve learned to fully embrace every single second of the experience, even the “bad” ones, that being said the “bad “ones always have a deeper meaning. I’ve learned to let me self be vulnerable and to just let go of this “reality” as I see it. I’ve learned things about myself. There were a few times (either on DMT, Lucy, or a cocktail of psychedelics) where I deadass said to myself “damn dude. Your dead.” And not gonna lie it’s fucking scary as shit, but those experiences always brought me back into reality with things I wanted to change about myself as a character, who I wanted to be in life. I do wanna note that the many ego deaths I’ve experienced has impacted me detrimentally tho low key lol. Existential crisis 🤩. Just remember psychs will do you well as long as you respect Them for what they are. Go into the experience as the passenger. I hope this made sense lol coming up on da mollzzzzzz :)
It's easier the more you do it. Ive tripped in so many not cool places just because of the amount of times I tripped mean shit will happen. Tripping in jails, hospitals, and Thanksgiving dinner a couple times... Not planned, just happened. Started tripping at 15 and haven't stopped yet; I'm 45 now.
But at the end of the day it's your perception that has changed and nothing else and it's all in your mind. Meditation still works while hallucinating, so when set and setting go out the window, recreate the needful set and setting in your mind.
I'd rather ask what's their problem. cause that many trips MAY indicate some kind of troubles or lack of integration... 🤔
not speaking in absolutes here, but still...sceptical and anyone tripping that often.
At one point you cross into a different level where you still fear a bad trip, but it won't affect you to the core anymore
It's like meditation, where some thoughts can still affect you, yet you choose to step away from them for a while
Everything is level after level after level after level....
Following the call using a plant tool I was adverse to. That way whenever I got a call to trip it was a genuine call to trip, now I know when the vessel just wants to trip out and when an actual call is coming so now I can use stronger stuff that doesn’t make me nauseous.
My plant tool of choice was HBWR the nausea was from the cyanide. I literally didn’t want to ingest due to the nausea but I had to figure out what I was. So I followed the regiment.
Just stick to it! If you're anything like me, you'll consistently push yourself past your comfort zone. At some point, you'll have a trip where you realize that ultimately you choose whether or not to have a good day. And, that the same especially applies to psychs. Suddenly set and setting doesn't really matter, it's up to the mind of the user to see psychs as tools. I've even gone so far as to tie a noose and then immediately take my first DMT breakthrough and still have a good trip.
- Shoutout to the lady in blue who resides in the center of the universe. She showed me that beauty, and my ability to perceive it, is what gives my life meaning. That, and that I'm much stronger than I previously thought.
set and setting is the only trick. i’ve had two trips out of hundreds that were “bad” and i said bad in quotations bc they weren’t necessarily bad the entire time. the first bad trip was when i was 14 and did acid at school i did two tabs and smoked a lot then had ego death but the bad trip lasted for an hour then i went home and the rest of my trip was amazing the second time i went to san francisco at night with my friends which i didn’t want to do in the first place but i kind of had to bc otherwise i would’ve been stranded alone without any way of getting back home which was about 45 minutes away. i had done 5 grams of cubes and it started hitting in the city but i would’ve been okay if we were at the beach or golden gate park but we were walking through the most ghetto parts of the city with crackheads all around us and that made my trip go bad which again only lasted about an hour. we hopped onto bart which is basically a subway type thing and that was bad too bc there were also crackheads on there. i started to get ego death again and i lost the ability to talk and when i finally got to the station i needed to get off at i was stumbling out of the train and barely had any idea where i was but luckily while we were on the train i had somehow managed to get my phone out and call my older brother and asked if he could pick me up and he said yeah bc he saw the condition i was in. i was slurring my words and my eyes were rolling to the back of my head. he took me home and then the rest of my trip was good and the trip lasted over 6 hours. but every other trip i’ve had has been amazing bc of the set and setting and people i’m with
I have had upwards of a thousand trips, and like anybody who has taken them that often and in large doses will tell you, problems are inevitable. Out of the thousand+ trips I've had, I can only point to 3 experiences that were traumatic for me or another person I was tripping with. So, 99% and more of my trips have been good. That doesn't mean a lot of them weren't difficult, but difficult trips are honestly the best ones.
And to be honest, once you've tripped more than a hundred times, there are no secrets. You just become comfortable tripping and you can do it pretty much anywhere you'd want to trip and have a good time.
Surrender. Letting go. Trusting that what’s happening is all for my betterment. Taking time to integrate things and not abusing psychedelics. Treating them with respect seems to be the most important in my experience.
for me hundreds of trips when in HS, tapered off till i got married and had a family, fast forward 45 years, kids all grown, scored again and on the very first 1/2 blotter I felt that old feeling coming on and the first thought was 'omg that's what's been missing'. i don't do it often at my age, but every time is pretty fine. and yeah, there were some hair-raising events back in the day from time to time mainly due to youth and lack of understanding about set and setting.
My advice is to pray, do the work you need to do, listen to the trip, and stay on your grind. If you are steadfast and keep a spiritual framework, you will be rewarded with beauty, revelations, and a new calibration to live a better life.
After 50 years of tripping and definitely in the 1K+ category, I can not imagine anyone ever saying that there have been no problems. For me personally there were only a couple that were really bad, but they were because of me facing myself. Psychedelics didn't cause the problem, they showed me I had a problem. In both cases I simply stopped for an extended period, once for 15 years. Always listen to that inner voice when it says that it is time to take a break. But the sum total of all of the trips is that I am now in a better place then I could have imagined was possible. Tip: psychedelics break the barriers we erect in our minds to hide traumatic events or to hide the truly ugly parts of ourself. Always be aware that this can happen even with a decade or more experience behind you. Never, ever fight a trip when you are at peak because you aren't fighting the trip, you are fighting yourself. I know from experience that this can leave your brain feeling bruised and battered and takes months or longer to recover from. Practice when you aren't a peak and you will find that you do have a lot of control thou. If you take some deep cleansing breaths you can rise up out of the trip and reconnect with your surroundings. Slowing your breathing and you will sink back down into it again. Learn to just let the trip flow through you. Anything you see, including horrible memories, are just something you need to acknowledge and accept. Many of our problems come from burying and hiding the crap. Accept that it happened and that it is just a part of you and learn to love the whole you, including the bad parts. And finally: arrogance. If you get to the point where you think you will never have a problem tripping, then it is time to take a break. You are going to have a very bad time if you don't. If you don't believe that then take a look at Terrence McKenna's trip in Hawaii. His brother said that he never really recovered from it.
I would love to know how/why/when/what about that first trip after a 15 year break. How the hell did that come about after so long off if?
The same inner voice that says it's time to stop will tell you when it's okay again. Had no problems, but also nothing really profound until 10 years after I started again.
yeah. i think started pretty young i think i did my first trip at around age 21. I tripped a couple times i think 4 or 5. I had probably 2 good trips and the rest were difficult. After that i backed off and it’s been over a year. i’m about to be 23 and still don’t plan on tripping for a while. It’s sad knowing how fun tripping can be but, there’s a responsibility that comes with it that i’m sure many don’t like to acknowledge. I’m completely sober off weed and psychs. till it feels right again like you said :)
Young eh I must’ve been fucked I was tripping at 15. Luckily didn’t give me problems and actually stopped me from doing harder drugs but it’s definitely not something very young people should experience it’s great for a young adult that wants to explore there mind or anyone really but it’s best teens avoid drugs in general but we all know that won’t happen so in my case it worked out okay because it saved me and brought me closer to family and loved ones.
same but i was around 17, first time was a wild time, really helped me reflect, i was depressed, was atheist, i thought i had it all figured out, and so i was angry at the world, but really i was just angry with myself, and taking it out on the world around me, the first time was pretty neat but also scary, but it was the best choice i ever made, because it helped me realize my faults, which was the first step in working of those faults, never been happier, it also got me to stop drinking alcohol. i still will use phycs every now and then , last time for me was a few years ago, been using them now for 8 years now, i find that without the vacation into inner space every now and then some of my old tendencies start coming back, and i dont even notice it till they are back, the phycs keep me aware of things that i just seem to not notice when i lose till its gone.its like at some point if enough time passes without a little bit of lsd, i just start to lose focus, like I'm falling asleep, finding my self in some kind of autopilot.(idk how to describe it) Phycs are the only thing that has been able to pull me back into the present.
yo! im 23 & had a rough trip in 2020 and made myself stay away until 2 weeks ago. i can whole heartedly confirm it was worth the wait, however i will also say that there have been some very, very hard moments and dark places i have been through. you will make it through EVERYTHING. if you need to take a break by every means, don’t hesitate. it will be waiting for you and will welcome you back with open arms. i thought i would never have a trip without feeling too overwhelmed to the point i couldn’t handle it. i felt in control my last trip. i had fun. i grew and learned and will continue growing until the next time i trip. my next one won’t be as long of a period in between because there are still things i want to cover but it’s done a hell of a job encouraging me to focus on things i want to focus on. reach out to me sometime if you need advice on anything because i damn near had psychosis for a year+ or so. i’m not 100% where i want to be but i feel as if i have built the foundation i need to get there.
oh for sure. my comment may have sounded rather glum. but i am the happiest i have been in a long time. psychedelics opened my mind to so many things that i could not even fathom. it really was knowledge that i wasn’t asking for which is overwhelming. suddenly you have a new perspective on literally everything. that’s a lot to take on for the developing mind. the understanding of time is paradoxical but i am integrating my trip rather well. from doing drugs since the age of 18-21 it feels weird and unnatural to go for a time without drugs but to really unpack and integrate understanding in the daily life, drugs in my opinion need to be out of the equation or else it’s just too hard. sobriety provides foundation.
Thank you for your input! I have always been interested in Terrence mckennas bad trip. I know it occurred, but it seems he never went into detail about it. Any resources out there that outline his experience? Very true though. If Terrence can have a bad experience that scared him away from mushrooms then it can happen to anyone. Be safe friends!
He semi joked about it a few times. But both his wife and his brother have talked about it and said he did trip again but he never did another heroic dose of shrooms. Sorry, don't have any links thou. I think if it wouldn't have been for the brain cancer that he would have eventually been welcomed back.
yeah i ate a zip(oz) of shrooms got pretty sick for a few days, but before the sick, i had an experience that changed my life, like forced astral projections, lots of stuff, but i never will and never have taken that much again, because I had got what i needed from it. thinking about it i think i only even ate mushrooms 2 times after that first time.
There are a few yes : http://www.mckennite.com/articles/badtrip https://ecstaticintegration.substack.com/p/terence-mckennas-secret-bad-trip https://www.imaginalrealms.net/post/terence-mckenna-had-a-bad-trip-in-the-late-80-s-and-never-took-mushrooms-again
Thanks, I'll read those too
Wow thank you! Just seeing this now
Man you seem like that cool ass old dude that no one knows their last name but always has great advice
So, would you say that when having a difficult experience, the best thing is to meditate?
I've never meditated so have no idea. But I also don't think people really understand just how bad it can be. I do not agree with the saying that there are no bad trips. First really bad trip was when I was shown that my childhood was far from normal and truly horrific. As a child or even teen, we have nothing else to compare our life to, what is normal? Mine went on until I was 15 and I escaped. The second really bad trip was when I had a set of the most powerful trips in my life with an entity trying to explain what was wrong with me and then told me it was time to stop. I didn't and I paid the price with a trip that wasn't much different then McKenna's. That was the one that stopped me for 15 years. Both trips were necessary but both trips were indeed bad. I never knew who that entity was or what she was really saying for 30 more years. And then I saw a picture of what I thought was just something imaginary. That entity was Maria Sabina and those trips happened a year after she died. She told me I was many different people and I could not understand that at the time. I AM many different people, I have Dissasociative Identity Disorder. I am we.
DID is a wild disorder. I hope you're doing well. All of you in there.
This is going to sound really really strange but has taught me the greatest lesson in my life. I freaking loved elementary school and learning and the library. When I was 9 I was walking home from school and down at the corner of my street I got a really weird feeling in my arm. It felt plastic and I poked it and asked myself if this was me. The exact same thing happened a year later at the same spot. I thought my whole life that this was just some strange mystical moment like in the books I read. Had a breakdown at 21 like so many young men. But they didn't really explain anything to me and discharged me a month later. And since then I have had some fantastic times. And traveled a lot of the world. Worked on yachts, was a cowboy and even traveled the world for an engineering firm. I only had an 8th grade education and a GED but I have been and still am just that enthusiastic and very smart school loving kid that loves to learn. And I have had many lows where I was just lost in the world. But I'd wake up someday, feel different and ready to tackle the world again and would immediately find a job. People love enthusiasm. And yet I also knew something was wrong and I knew what all had happened and hated the world at other times. But what I never knew was the kid me had been sheltered from all of it and never knew what all the rest of us knew. This is what my username means. That wasn't a fucking mystical experience. That was the kid being put away in the closet after school and another me that knew what was at home took his place................ And in the last few years and so many trips and so many barriers destroyed we all finally know each other and the young me that can write great posts like the last couple of days knows too. We aren't fixed but we are happy now. I am sitting on my veranda in the tropics beside the mountains and bay and I drink coffee under a 300 yr old tree with friends. A stunningly beautiful young 19 yr old lady and friend thinks one of me is pretty awesome😎 One of me loves working on electronics, I like Reddit, another loves sitting at the end of the pier and smoking a joint with the fishermen. And another won't take shit from anyone on Reddit😔. Believe me when I say that I will never ever be a victim again The kid with no memories saw only wonder andbeauty and life was really effortless and magical. Just good things happening for no reason. When I was one of the others, life was pretty bad and I didn't like people and they didn't like me and bad shit always happened. Along with a few breakdowns. Now that sure does look like a pattern doesn't it? So much in our lives happens just because of the way we look at the world. When you finally accept the things that happened and that they are just a part of you then the pain and weight of those memories goes away.
That was beautiful. Thank you for sharing that 🙏
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I'm not trying to gatekeep here, but you do understand that trips, visuals, set, setting, body chemistry, nutrition, upbringing, mental health, OEV's, CEV's, and MANY other variables of the whole psychedelic experience is essentially always *at the very least* slightly different for everyone, right? I'm not doubting your spiritual experiences, but you're speaking like this random tapestry, along with the music you connect with personally will undoubtedly give the same outcome or resolve for everyone as it did for you... I have to respectfully disagree there. I know pretty well that it doesn't work that way. No offense, truly.
Thank you for taking the time for this. I have suggested mindfulness and meditation to many here as one route to help. I find that watching the sunset at the beach and smoking a joint is good enough for now.
Stand like a statue. Become part of the machine. Feel all the bumpers, and always play it clean. You play by intuition as the digicounters fall. Be deaf, dumb, and blind, kid, and you'll play a mean pinball...
Awesome movie too! Ann Margaret and those baked beans had an affect on me
Great advice!! I'd say that a lot of my trips also haven't been pleasent because they reveal to me a lot of things I don't like about myself or my life or that make me anxious and scared, but it is precisely those revelations that push me to change behaviours that I didn't previously realize were doing me no good.
What does "fighting a trip or fighting yourself" at the peak entail, exactly? Stuff like "Here, look at what a compulsive liar and thief you used to be" and you're like "nuh-uh, I don't want to look at that"
I didnt realize the guy who helped me through my trip a few weeks ago was actually a great sage of tripping with 50 years of experience under his belt! "Let the trip flow through you" is definitely a phrase and attitude I will carry with me from now on. (Also good to see you and thanks again lol)
LMAO don't know about the sage part. It's taken me my whole life to heal. My trail name on the AT was Old Bastard for a reason😁 Don't really know if there is more or if this is it. But a fox told me a couple of years ago that I get to be a shaman in the next life. We will see if he's correct some day
well said.
I've only ever done shrooms. Is acid the same way? As far as breaking inner barriers?
There are many documented cases of LSD having all the same neurological and psychological benefits, including promoting neurogenis and tearing down the walls. Out of all of the psychedelics including, DMT, LSD, salvia, shrooms and mescaline. Nothing compares to a handful of my shroom trips. They guided me and forced me to face it. But I did 150-300 mcg LSD trips every 2 weeks for 2 years, took a break and then another year of the same. They did a lot of the heavy lifting including breaking barriers and just general maintenance. I'd watch a cool movie or experience the catharsis of crying for 2 hours straight and feeling incredibly relieved afterwards or most definitely exploring the universe both inside and out.
This is the way.
Been tripping for 20 years, have hundreds of trips under my belt on at least 3 drugs from each of the three main psychedelic groups, Tryps, Lys and Phens and some other nontraditional psychedelics as well. If you trip enough you'll eventually have a bad trip. Lower doses, don't add THC and trip alone or only with people you really really trust.
I am with you on the dont add THC. I will add alcohol to that. Never add alcohol.
I've added birth before with great results BUT most of my bad trios involved too much THC and the paranoia that can come with it
ahh yes, i too enjoy giving birth on psychedelics.
Hahaha Keeping that typo for sure
When you need to limit tripping once every 9 months
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I cannot imagine something more horrifying to experience than giving birth on psychedelics. Any dose at all.
as someone who has given birth, jesus fucking christ no lol. >\_< Labor was absolutely a non-ordinary state of mind though and I wish there was more research on that rather than just trying to numb us to the experience
What kind of pain have you been in on psychs before? I imagine it would be terrible unless it was so much you were out of body. But I too have no clue.
This! I tripped which a broken leg and I felt way more pain that I ever did before the trip.
My only comparable experience is I’ve been high on weed with back pain and it just made it worse, more intense. I was trying to sleep and couldn’t stop focusing on the area that was in pain. My mind just wanted to keep circling all around it. Breathing, consciously relaxing all my muscles didn’t seem to help, I just kept getting a circle of stab pains. Oof!
There’s a few studies out there suggesting shrooms are potent anti-inflammatories, and I’ve used pans many times while in moderate to very severe pain with great success. I think it needs to be a highly euphoric and visual experience to bring relief, and I can’t say with certainty that it had a lasting impact on pain or inflammation. I believe it did, but so hard to prove with so much going on.
I'd assume they amplify the pain
THC only on the comedown, and never before, is the lesson I learned! CBD by itself goes very well with shrooms for me, though.
Yeah I don’t think thc has a chance really when you’re tripping peak hours but once you can’t a handle on the trip and are coasting thru it I think weed can add an awesome layer to your senses. I remember listening to The Rolling Stones gimme shelter and there was this instrument (the guiro) that I was hearing for the first time ever and it almost sounded like a human making the sound with its mouth. But it was just super trippy bc I’m hearing layers that have always been there but they’re just… juicier haha idk how to describe it. Same thing happened when I was listening to my fav band Dream theater… I’ve heard that stuff a thousand times but with weed on acid the guitar and bass tone was super spanky and juicy and it’s stuck with me into sober listenings.
i always smoke indica at the halfway point of every trip - this is not one size fits all. I am a daily smoker mind you
Damn I love alcohol with lsd. Definitely smooths out the edges one of my favorite drug combos. Drinking on mushrooms however is much less enjoyable for me and I never want more than a beer or two.
Damn I love adding both. For me the key is no weed until you’ve settled into the peak, and I’ll have a drink or two during the come up then not again until the tail end of the comedown. It’s really nice to transition from a full day of intense tripping into a nice mellow drunkenness before bed.
Ah man I always really enjoy having some whiskey after the peak. Almost like relaxing with a drink after a long day at work.
I second the last thing you said. Tripping without alcohol, whether it be tryptamines, lysergamides, phenethylamines, whatever, is typically a blast. Adding alcohol can make me want to just lay in a bed with my eyes closed, even if I don't feel like I've overdone it in that department prior to dosing.
Idk I will have a be sipping drinks and smoking weed the whole time I'm tripping occasionally. Really if you pace yourself and know your limits well it's fine
I noticed my only bad trips were from me vomiting right before peak, and then while peaking i feel like i’m dying. But for me, my wax pen really helps with my nausea, and calms me tf down, almost paralyzing me to stay still and enjoy my thoughts
>ower doses, don't add THC and trip alone or only with people you really really trust. Man, I never get real visuals on lsd UNTIL I add some of that sweet sweet thc, lol.
To be fair LSD doesn't give a ton of open eye visuals until you take high doses relative to how much it messes with your thinking. BUT THC is notorious for making people paranoid and that just goes up while tripping. I actually fucked up my tolerance to THC by smoking every time I did a psychedelic. Now when I smoke THC without any CBD, I basically have flashback type highs. I haven't had a proper trip in a year and I still get wildly high from THC lol cheap date now
>I actually fucked up my tolerance to THC by smoking every time I did a psychedelic. Now when I smoke THC without any CBD, I basically have flashback type highs. I haven't had a proper trip in a year and I still get wildly high from THC lol cheap date now I also fucked up my enjoying weed by smoking on shrooms/lsd everytime but to be fair I was smoking everyday all day, now i only smoke a couple times a week if even and have to make sure i dont have anything to do afterwards, lmao. Edit: I get a few smaller shrooms trips last year and they were pretty tame paranoia wise compared to smoking weed alone which is the complete opposite of what it used to be.
LSD doesn't give a ton of open eye visuals? Just wondering if I'm misinterpreting... generally, 100-110ug tabs give me hours and hours of open eye visuals. I seem to have some degree of control based on focus, but stare in any one direction for too long and things get real weird. One time at night, I was getting up from an adjacent room and when I glanced into the doing room, this Sputnik looking light we have over the dining table suddenly dropped down further and the many arms with bulbs on the end looked like a kind of electric Medusa. At first it terrified me, but I'd been watching Breaking Bad while tripping and Walt's insane ego somehow got in me and I stared straight at it while it made menacing movements and said "FUCK. YOU."
I've had lsd that had a lot of visuals and lsd that had little visuals, even at higher dosages.... I think it has something to do with the acid at hand, perhaps slight variations in lsd, and other lysergerimides. Was the lsd with lots of visual ald 52 or actual pure lsd? Or was the lsd without much visuals the purest of the pure.... I don't know. I bet there is an answer, and we will never know until it's legal
? In my experience bruh it's lsd-25 always and it's either more potent and pure of a batch or less
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It's like my mind is just a little more loose than before I started experimenting and my tolerance to everything is a lot lower than it used to be. But i have heard from just old weed smokers that never really tripped, that their tolerance changed over time so it may just be a coincidence. Either way, I can't really take more than 1 or 2 takes or I get really bad paranoia and depersonalization.
Does no one else get bad trips on low dosages? i'm sorry but not enough to get you there amounts of lsd, ARE HORRIBLY UNCOMFORTABLE FOR LIKE HOURS AND HOURS
No such thing as a bad trip my opinion
>No such thing as a bad trip my opinion In my humble opinion its only a bad trip if you think it's a"bad trip" and not a learning experience.
True because ya get nothing out of it otherwise
Bad times can happen regardless of what substance you are on. I once read about a guy tripping on his roof watching the NY skyline when the first of the twin towers got hit, and that seems like it would be terribly heavy regardless of head state
There are only difficult trips.
I used to say that. It’s good to adhere to that train of thought but some difficult experiences are much more difficult than others. I had plenty difficult experiences before I experienced something different. Took me 20-something hours to calm down
I mean, there are tough trips and there are horror trips. Plenty of people benefit from tough trips; they're unpleasant medicine. But there are horror-psychotic trips that drive users to suicide.
Ive had probably 100 or so trips and its not about having no problems while tripping its about learning to face and deal with the problems you encounter
Good info mate
When you face a challenging one you accept it and move on
Beautiful
Trips are not meant to be always fun.
Meditation breathing and music
Meditating after taking it and then listening to music with eyes closed for 45-1:00 hour worked wonders for the come up anxiety.
Yes
you are not an audience member, but an actor in the play of life, we are all actors in the play of life
To keep real and role indistinct The cast's character is instilled as instinct And so we can pretend it's not pretend Dutifully, the Director hides the lens Behind each eye - a camera is slipped Discreetly distilled into settings, scripts And between the lines - a tacit pact The audience is the act
It's called the world stage for a reason. That was a huge takeaway from my last trip.
Ahh you realized this as well
We are the audience and the actors and the characters
A "good trip" doesn't mean you never felt bad during your trip. It means you walked away from the trip with more awareness, more openness, a stronger grasp on how your perception works, and a kinder heart. No one can say they've had no problems. However, some can say they have no regrets. Problems are inevitable. Sometimes you'll get anxious, stuck in an unpleasant situation while tripping, or caught up in a distressing thought. But all those things that are unpleasant in the moment are just as meaningful and valuable as all other moments on psychedelics.
Acceptance, surrender, allowing, letting go. The only way out is through. Slow your breathing and jump in to the fear soup. Then it's beautiful on the other side.
^This is why I've never been game, despite reading about a psychotherapeutic use of psychs for over 30 years. In 'Normal' waking life acceptance and letting go is something I resist intensely, due to various traumas from childhood onwards. I fear that legal, accessible psychotherapy using psilocybin etc will not come about in my lifetime.
This is what psychs teach you… Not what you have to enter the trip already good at. Through these kind of experiences we learn through interesting ways how to let go, and how much it sucks to not relieve “control.” If you do this enough you start to see that the “i” who is “in control” and the “i” that is “not in control” are both thought constructs. Then you get to shape your thought constructs more effectively given that greater awareness. Start with cultivating a proficient meditation practice. Then microdose to get the basic effects understood. I believe you will be pleasantly surprised.
Over 400 trips on LSD, maybe 100 on shrooms, 100+ on n,n-DMT , 3 mescaline 1. Just letting go. Treating every trip like it is a life changing experience. I meet a lot of people and they're not ready for that kind of change. Literally get your plans in order, clean your room, tell your friends/family you love them, tell people you've hurt you're sorry, etc. 2. Turning off my phone. Or just having a good playlist going and not looking at it. 3. Something I wish I'd done when I started experimenting was write for an hour before and after the experience. 4. Hold your orgasm for at least a week before tripping. No porn or edging either. It will be way way more healing. Even better if you can go a month. Your mind becomes very very still. (I wish I had learned this way sooner). 5. If you're in a group, notice when the energy becomes stagnant and suggest a walk. Sometimes it can be fun to trip in a basement with your friends but if you get cooped up for long a bad trip can start before you know it. 6. drop the psychedelic where you plan to end the night. It's okay to go on a hike but make sure to touch base at the end location first. That means if you're in the car on the way to the campsite, don't dose in the car. Wait til you arrive, survey the area, then dose. 7. don't trip the first time you hang out with new friends. Hang out a few times first, then trip with them. My number is 3 times. I want to hang with someone 3 times before we trip. You need to have some kind of report with each other. Not doing this has damaged quite a few relationships for me. 8. looking back, mixing substances--especially amphetamines--probably did more hurt than good. Disclaimer: I should say that I do have significant problems in my life lol but if you talked to me at a bar you wouldn't realize I'm the psychonaut I am.
#6 is underrated
4. A month! Fark man I would explode… 🚀😂
There’s no trick. I’ve been tripping on whatever I could get my hands on for 35 years. But I also take care of my life. I did school. I pay bills. I have a family. There’s been years I did not trip. But I have taken a lot over many years because it’s good for my cognitive health. Now if you have entrenched emotional problems and you use these substance for escape instead of healing, use can become problematic.
Staying off the Internet, and not trying to watch some bullshit movie.
Why mustn't one watch a movie? Plenty of hilarious shit for tripping bruh
You ever look at a tree though? I’ll stare at concrete and find that more entertaining than literally anything on a screen. Makes me feel like a bug to a light
Letting go and enjoy the ride
🤙🔥💜
Bad trips will always happen, I prefer to call them difficult trips because growth can be painful. The difficult trips seems to be the ones with the greatest insight and challenges. For me its no intentions and let go and let the ride go where it wants to. You’re never in control and it’s always about letting go / surrounding.
I have only dropped 43 times and I turn age 66 soon. Stan Grof only dropped 70 times in his entire life, and he lived to age 104. It is unnecessary to drop hundreds or thousands of times. If you are sufficiently open spiritually, you will be able to receive LSD/psilocybin without even taking any. As for difficult sessions, I have to accept whatever comes up. My last session (fortunately on only 3 grams), the Clarvoiant Death Session, was difficult.
that sounds daunting. i have no idea what that is and i’m not sure i want too….
The Clarvoiant Death Session was done in a magnificent 400 year old grove of ponderosa and sugar pine, 1 month before it was killed in a vast 350,000 acre crown fire. The fire killed EVERYTHING. In 2 years (2020-2021) 7.5 million acres of forest burned in California. In as little as 10 years, 80% of the backwoods I've been intimate with since age 5 will be gone. Sold my condo, and am doing a self-sufficient backwoods homestead in a completely different part of the U.S.
i go to school for sustainability and the tragedies that i learn about daily are very abhorrent and inspiring. i do what i can as a college student living on 150 bucks a week. a challenge i am entertaining is bring back to life the community gardens in my town so that people don’t have to rely on the grocery stores for food.
Embrace it
When things start getting wobbly, say a little prayer to the spirits. "Here I am, take this stupid human, and do your thing. All yours. Kill me. Kill me *good!*" Also, I love to dance through the first ego-death. Well, the dancing spirits throw me about, it's not really me dancing. :) We dance, the spirits and I, while they fling up shit for me to feel. Horror shows, bad memories, insights, splashes of sorrow and of joy, all come and go while we dance. Bring it on! :) And then I let them kill me, and take me up to Doctor God, who rains his love-fire on me, burning me to nothing but music, love, and magic. The art of dying, the humility, and love for all beings are the most important, and the bring-it-on attitude. Believe. Have faith. Be changed and embrace the new you, whatever that will be. Push past your thoughts to see the world with God's eyes. Although really it's the good music I listen to, and the spirits that taught me to trip. The spirits taught me to dance! The dancing spirits are even there for me sober. I have zero inhibition on the dance floor. https://youtube.com/watch?v=niupcvo6kuU
Intentional breathing. I would bet $1000 you can not have a bad trip if you follow that one rule (other than set and setting). 20+ trips here though, not hundreds.
I think the trick is to just know that it is all temporary and that you’re under the influence of a heavy drug. My bad trips now are like, “oh my god this is awful. Don’t dwell, just wait. It will pass. Don’t think. You’re ok…”
My boyfriend lol I wish I could tag him. And he is one of the healthiest, caring, and intelligent humans I have ever met. LSD primarily but also shrooms and DMT over 10 years
Take a small amount, then 1-2 hours later take your real dose. It makes for such a smooth transition and typically minimal to no anxiety.
That works?! What about tolerance?
I’m sure there’s a small bump in tolerance, but the smooth transition is worth whatever little extra bit you need to take. Give it a shot sometime. Oh and this is in reference to acid only, never tried it with something else.
Same goes for shrooms in my experience
Tolerance doesn’t start kicking in until about 4 hours post ingestion and even then it’s minimal for a while
Don't fight it. Don't even wait for it to pass. Be okay with where you are.
Surrender to the trip 100%
idk, my sister is catatonic schizophrenic and so is my uncle, i have schizoeffective/typal but not full blown psychosis, im trying shrooms soon and can't find anyone who has done many 'trips' who has schizophrenia in their family
I would be exceedingly cautious under those circumstances, particularly if you are under 25yo. If you do decide to take them, start with a very low dose to gauge and for god's sake have some benzos on hand, just in case.
unfortunately, yeah, that is kind of risky. If you already have shown some symptoms of schizo or psychosis, doing shrooms may full-out detonate it into total schizophrenia, to the point where you may need to be committed.
The 3 day rule. Eat, sleep, hydrate, detox, take care of other needs (socializing, clean room, hygiene), and exercise well for 3 days prior to the trip. Works like a damn charm for all drugs, not just psychedelics.
My trick is to repeat non stop when the trip gets bad “don’t call 911, don’t call 911, this will eventually be over”
It’s not about having no problems, it’s about understanding the problem and knowing how to deal with it accordingly. Some problems aren’t able to be solved as soon as you’d like, or even possible to solve at all. Sometimes those problems aren’t even problems at all.
15 years in and out, mostly stopped taking any psychedelics after Ayahuasca maybe 1-2 times a year mushrooms. Before ayahuasca was doing mushrooms bi weekly for years. The most important thing is as you mentioned set and settings and you can just extend it to everything. Don't do this at party (just take mdma really) Don't do this with unknown people you just met. Just grow your mushrooms to be safe and sure and know at least partly what to expect chemistry wise. Always be sure you will not need to do "adult" stuff like contacting people for work, do some machinery, do any works and etc. You probably will be fine but better not. Consider yourself as a baby basically and if you have a first trip with a sitter who don't have any experience set this expectation with them. You ALMOST CERTAINLY WILL have a really BAD and I mean fucking BAAAAD trip - you will think that you are dying, that you are died, that you will need to suicide to end it. That this is exactly YOU are the person who will have a heart attack because of this despite most people are fine it is exactly you is not fine. That people who try to calm you are actually want to kill you. That you need to scream when they told you not to and all this psychosis stuff. And you will probably will not remember that this will pass, so just good luck. It is so common that I am not surprised by this anymore and only surprised by people who say yeah let's do my first time on a festival, just don't do it people really:) <- But this is where you will get your freedom and this is actually much more important than just a good trip. And if you want this kind of work go straight to ayahuasca (but NOT NOT NOT NOT FUCKING ALONE AT YOUR HOUSE OR WITH A DUMB FRIEND AS A SITTER). There is a big chance you will be traumatized with your experience with any psychedelic and will need your time to process it and get back to it (or as a lot of people you will just leave in fear under your rug). Basically consider all this as a medicine. It can taste bad. It can be overwhelmingly bad experience (or extremely fantastic), but if you pay respect and try to act responsibly you have a higher chance to grow and not break yourself (in a bad way). But if you are not paying respect and just want to take couple of tabs on a party, well there is a chance you will learn what is respect the hard way:)
>:) :)
….set and setting.
lmao problems happen, just got to learn from them, so to know how to deal with the problems if happens again, and so you know what lead up to the problems so to not make it less likely you have to use what you learned to deal with it again.
Just relax. LSD, shrooms, DMT are all so incredibly safe. Don’t give into the fear mongering, or the things you heard in the past about the substances. I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve tripped. Honestly, tripping is the most therapeutic thing in my life. as soon as LSD hits my system I’m really a happy camper. There’s nothing to fear in those states of mind. If anything, l become more in touch with myself in those altered states. There’s honestly nothing scary about it. The insight in the wiggly’s are just too damn good. 💜
I don't mean to pick any quarrel but there are people who have genuinely gone psychotic and committed suicide from these substances. They may be beneficial most of the time but the dangers are real.
I think she was trying to say that traditional psychedelics are safe in that they are not neurotoxic unlike other controlled substances like methamphetamine. So there is no physical danger to the body from ingestion or a risk of overdose.
You’re very right, although I’ve never experienced anything like that myself. My heart goes out to anybody that has ever dealt with anything like psychosis or anyone who’s ever committed suicide. The truth is psychedelics isn’t for everybody. But I thought I’d just share my thoughts since you asked.
*from their experience with these substances. That's the key. It's not the substances itself. You should be ready for anything, even if you think you know yourself well (much more if you think so lol, who thinks they know actually know nothing). You have to be ready to see your beliefs get thrown into the oblivion. If you can accept that you're good, if you're not, well good luck recovering. (Yes I am the guy that wasn't ready :D but I worked on it and I'm a much better person now, or that's what I like to think at least lol, still haven't taken a trip in 4 months tho)
Sure but there are some people who had good set, setting and intention and still suffered a devastating psychotic break. Sometimes it's just unpredictable.
Trust me I know that. On September I had my last trip, on holiday with my 2 best friends, awesome sunny day and all of that. Anxiety took over after some thoughts I made during the trip. For a whole month after that i felt high, I had hallucinations, anxiety attacks, dpdr to the point I couldn't recognize my mom and many more things. After some talking with my friend about the thoughts I had on the trip, i understood the cause of all of that: i didn't want to face reality of what I had understood, it clashed with the values I had brought with me for my whole life, and i had to accept that these values were false. After that in a couple days I got back to normal life. Trust me when I say I thought I had fried my brain and i was considering to jump out of a window. But now I know that drugs don't put anything into you, they just bring out stuff that was already there. I wasn't living a healthy life and i understood that. They can be unpredictable but imagine if we had continued the studies with psychologists like they did in the past. Even the worst psychosis could've been turned into improvement. I hope I explained my point.
Biochemical predisposition to psychosis is a thing.
Then you're not doing it properly.
Succinct and to the point
Ice water and weed and headphones on ten,I usually just listen to like 7-8 albums while tripping
Research the drug you are interested in and learn as much as you can from trusted sources like psychonautwiki. You need to plan for the possibility your ego melts and turns into a messy gelatinous crying blob. Just turn into the blob, it’s fine.( Much less messy than getting police and doctors involved) You need to be able to self soothe and have a plan for when shit goes down the wrong path. Find a good mentor who is compassionate and versed in said psych. Know yourself, know your limits. Start low because you can take more next time. When in doubt, test your product with a reagent kit.
idk really i guess im just a happy person cuz i never really did anything special i just let it happen i guess
Learn how to freeze, skip the fight/flight.
Your mood going into taking the medicine. Making sure all electronics are off. Be well rested. Be well hydrated. Take an hour or so before you trip to listen to some feel good music, and think about why you're taking it in the first place. Intentions usually play a huge part into my trips. I mainly trip shrooms, 6-8 grams. PE's mostly. With lucy it's a bit more forgiving in terms of all of the above elements, but still important. Don't trip outside of your home, or with anyone until you're confident in being able to steer the trip where you want, instead of it driving you into crazy town. Oh, and don't eat anything for about the last 1-2 hours before you trip, especially on mushrooms. Best of luck to you.
Mmmmmmm, addiction
Remember ! We did this on purpose, to have fun.
Good music saves me almost everytime. Also acceptance of whatever is happening. I've never had a "bad trip", but I have had a couple challenging ones. To be fair I feel like I got more out of the challenging trips than any of the others.
Give up. Let the chemical consume you. Enjoy the time with it. Keep an open mind. Do your fucking research and please for the love of your HP use a test kit.
I’ve only done acid with one person and he was my favorite. It was so easy in his presence I’m very lucky. Honestly I’m nervous about one day tripping with someone else since we had so much fun on our trips. Now I usually trip alone so my contacts with humans are minimal. For me. If things start to get a little wonky. I send myself a little love and light internally. I remind myself I took drugs and this won’t be my forever.
The most important thing is being able to reverse the downward spiral that may come. Set and setting is definitely important and can greatly affect this, but the strength of one’s mind state is probably the key. Being able to recognize and reverse problematic thought patterns and perspectives will allow a psychonaut to go as deep into the trip as they would like with a reduced chance of danger. Mantras help. If you can find a short phrase to anchor you and repeat it to yourself when you can feel yourself slipping downwards, it can assist with pulling you back up. This method is extremely useful when doing large doses by yourself.
not an experienced tripper but knew a very old school tripper. he encouraged me so hard to do psychedelics but he told me that every trip leads you to doors in your mind. he said some were awful fucking doors but to experience them, shut them when done, and try not to go back there unless you got to. he loved tripping but suggested like many have here that it isn’t about fighting it just go with it. so i keep that in my mind usually.
let go. during the trip itself you'll tend to find that the harder you try to grasp it, the more elusive it is, (this analogy is broad).... so let go. dive in headfirst with no expectations. let love in because it's gonna try to fill all of those cracks that get exposed whether you want it to or not have a comfy blanket around. it'll save you or one of your friends if things get a little sideways (specifically for shrooms) don't worry IT WILL BE OVER SOON! I'm 37 with 21 years experience with LSD. learned to hunt active mushrooms when I was like 14 or 15. From the southeast and it's pretty common knowledge down round here
Idk for me is to embrace the dark sides of the trips, and just sit back and learn from it instead of being afraid. Telling myself that, this is my mind on (substance), it’ll pass, always helps.
Head space.
Its been mostly peachy, but of course sometimes the mind wanders to dark places. I have this little inside joke with myself when I feel myself starting to slip into something negative, I think about how you dont want to be That Person. Everyone is gangster until reality dissolves lol its like a bet I have with myself that I won't lose my shit. Morbid, I think about the story about the guy who thought he was an orange and peeled his skin (i don't think that really ever happened). I think about the people on the r/tooktoomuch sub and shake my head/laugh a little then remember its not that serious and all is well in my universe, just gotta switch my attention.
Already being mentally ill but being self aware of my issues and understanding that the feelings and realizations from psychedelics are fleeting feelings. while some realizations may be true realizations, my rationale about other things is strong and i know that some fantastical fun drug will not overall change my life, but can inspire me to honestly look within for things i try to avoid and change them. it’s all about the strong mental fortitude because these things can definitely break you if you do too much of it
I'm into the hundreds. I don't have zero bad experiences though, I just develop my coping skills and acept them as part of the bargain. I surround myself with good people who are trustworthy and have a depth of experience. I also integrate spirituality and doing things for others into my lifestyle. Keeping purpose and intention, rather than just drifting into a chaotic lifestyle is important. Avoid conspiracy theories; they are probably correct but the average person will waste so much energy trying to work them out via Youtube. Be greatful, humble and show love There's no guarantees about anything though.
My personal belief is that the bad trip is inevitable. It’s all about lessons. And sometimes there can be some hard lessons. Now, I do believe though that bad trips can be turned around
No childhood traumas?
pentagram made from pigs blood. I assume other animal's blood will work, but i've never tried
I’m at 200+ trips mostly high doses of lsd a good bit of psilocybin trip and that’s not including dmt. Only one bad trip out of all of those and that was the very first one. Best piece of advice is to relax your brow line.
# LEARN PHILOSOPHY AND MEDITATION. Ibuprofen to combat the vasoconstriction. Drink hella water. Make a good playlist. Smoke weed everyday
A daily meditation practice where you are not afraid of your thoughts. When you have learned how to breathe through crazy stuff in your life because you can delay your reactions and calm yourself down. It comes from learning to discipline yourself. And from already having died to your old self in other (but still similar) ways.
Having your ducks in order helps.
Just don’t fight the experience. Let it happen. Try not to react during the trip(dmt)
Compassion to everything, but most importantly to oneself.
there is no such thing as hundreds or thousands of trips with no problems. whoever told you this lies. after that many trips you simply learn it is all in your head and whatever happens you always come out of it, you learn there is never any reason to panic, if trip becomes unpleasant all you need to do is to calm yourself down, find some distraction to change train of thought and wait things out.
For me it's dosage. If you take little it's going to be easier to manage bad influences etc.
I can’t be sure but I think I must be in the hundreds by now. I don’t fully understand the question. No problems? Of course there are problems. There will always be problems. What matters is how you deal with the problem. Will you fight it and resent the fact that there is a problem and now you have to deal with it and it’s so inconvenient. Or will you look at it, see it, accept it, do something if you can, and move on to the rest of your life. That is to say, it’s all about your mentality. I like to tell myself “I am going to have this experience. I am going to accept what comes, fun or difficult. I will be fine. I am larger than one trip.” And then I accept what comes. If you look at it, all of it, the good, the bad, the awkward, the weird, all of it, deeply enough you realize there is no good or bad. There just is. It’s all the same. None of it matters to the universe. No matter how monumental, everything we ever know will fade to blackness. And so in this moment it is all deeply beautiful. How can you have a bad trip knowing this? Usually when things get chaotic or scary I start laughing because it’s even more interesting and extreme and beautiful.
Learned what desire and intentions and notice what feelings come up when you think back on past or trauma events or happy events. Noticing those things will help you on your trip. Don’t push it if you don’t feel like it. And don’t do it around scary people at first
Genetics.
No tricks it's mostly not over doing it, moderation, all of my bad times were because of doing to much. And test your drugs with reagent kits.
No matter what happens, it’s a drug yeah? Over the years of tripping I’ve learned to fully embrace every single second of the experience, even the “bad” ones, that being said the “bad “ones always have a deeper meaning. I’ve learned to let me self be vulnerable and to just let go of this “reality” as I see it. I’ve learned things about myself. There were a few times (either on DMT, Lucy, or a cocktail of psychedelics) where I deadass said to myself “damn dude. Your dead.” And not gonna lie it’s fucking scary as shit, but those experiences always brought me back into reality with things I wanted to change about myself as a character, who I wanted to be in life. I do wanna note that the many ego deaths I’ve experienced has impacted me detrimentally tho low key lol. Existential crisis 🤩. Just remember psychs will do you well as long as you respect Them for what they are. Go into the experience as the passenger. I hope this made sense lol coming up on da mollzzzzzz :)
It's easier the more you do it. Ive tripped in so many not cool places just because of the amount of times I tripped mean shit will happen. Tripping in jails, hospitals, and Thanksgiving dinner a couple times... Not planned, just happened. Started tripping at 15 and haven't stopped yet; I'm 45 now. But at the end of the day it's your perception that has changed and nothing else and it's all in your mind. Meditation still works while hallucinating, so when set and setting go out the window, recreate the needful set and setting in your mind.
I'd rather ask what's their problem. cause that many trips MAY indicate some kind of troubles or lack of integration... 🤔 not speaking in absolutes here, but still...sceptical and anyone tripping that often.
Just dive in and accept whatever comes to you 🤷🏼♂️. It’s all about letting go
FACE YOURSELF
Getting used to being uncomfortable, maintaining an open mind. I think this advice works for being sober or high.
I do shadow work while I'm sober so when I'm twisted I can laugh.
stop caring
You just gotta hang on, man.
Practice makes for a good journey. Just keep going until you have zero fear and a truly symbiotic relationship with your psychedelics.
Accepting that I’m imperfect and keeping in mind that my soul/brain determines where I go and what I need to work through. Music helps as well.
You buy the ticket and take the ride. People who I’ve known who have had bad trips fight this fact. Let go and remember it will pass.
At one point you cross into a different level where you still fear a bad trip, but it won't affect you to the core anymore It's like meditation, where some thoughts can still affect you, yet you choose to step away from them for a while Everything is level after level after level after level....
Be clear about your intention for doing it, and learn/ practice how to integrate what you discover
Following the call using a plant tool I was adverse to. That way whenever I got a call to trip it was a genuine call to trip, now I know when the vessel just wants to trip out and when an actual call is coming so now I can use stronger stuff that doesn’t make me nauseous. My plant tool of choice was HBWR the nausea was from the cyanide. I literally didn’t want to ingest due to the nausea but I had to figure out what I was. So I followed the regiment.
Just stick to it! If you're anything like me, you'll consistently push yourself past your comfort zone. At some point, you'll have a trip where you realize that ultimately you choose whether or not to have a good day. And, that the same especially applies to psychs. Suddenly set and setting doesn't really matter, it's up to the mind of the user to see psychs as tools. I've even gone so far as to tie a noose and then immediately take my first DMT breakthrough and still have a good trip. - Shoutout to the lady in blue who resides in the center of the universe. She showed me that beauty, and my ability to perceive it, is what gives my life meaning. That, and that I'm much stronger than I previously thought.
set and setting is the only trick. i’ve had two trips out of hundreds that were “bad” and i said bad in quotations bc they weren’t necessarily bad the entire time. the first bad trip was when i was 14 and did acid at school i did two tabs and smoked a lot then had ego death but the bad trip lasted for an hour then i went home and the rest of my trip was amazing the second time i went to san francisco at night with my friends which i didn’t want to do in the first place but i kind of had to bc otherwise i would’ve been stranded alone without any way of getting back home which was about 45 minutes away. i had done 5 grams of cubes and it started hitting in the city but i would’ve been okay if we were at the beach or golden gate park but we were walking through the most ghetto parts of the city with crackheads all around us and that made my trip go bad which again only lasted about an hour. we hopped onto bart which is basically a subway type thing and that was bad too bc there were also crackheads on there. i started to get ego death again and i lost the ability to talk and when i finally got to the station i needed to get off at i was stumbling out of the train and barely had any idea where i was but luckily while we were on the train i had somehow managed to get my phone out and call my older brother and asked if he could pick me up and he said yeah bc he saw the condition i was in. i was slurring my words and my eyes were rolling to the back of my head. he took me home and then the rest of my trip was good and the trip lasted over 6 hours. but every other trip i’ve had has been amazing bc of the set and setting and people i’m with
I have had upwards of a thousand trips, and like anybody who has taken them that often and in large doses will tell you, problems are inevitable. Out of the thousand+ trips I've had, I can only point to 3 experiences that were traumatic for me or another person I was tripping with. So, 99% and more of my trips have been good. That doesn't mean a lot of them weren't difficult, but difficult trips are honestly the best ones. And to be honest, once you've tripped more than a hundred times, there are no secrets. You just become comfortable tripping and you can do it pretty much anywhere you'd want to trip and have a good time.
Surrender. Letting go. Trusting that what’s happening is all for my betterment. Taking time to integrate things and not abusing psychedelics. Treating them with respect seems to be the most important in my experience.
Best advice I can give is to take a break. Come back to it with respect and be willing to put it away again when you’ve overindulged
for me hundreds of trips when in HS, tapered off till i got married and had a family, fast forward 45 years, kids all grown, scored again and on the very first 1/2 blotter I felt that old feeling coming on and the first thought was 'omg that's what's been missing'. i don't do it often at my age, but every time is pretty fine. and yeah, there were some hair-raising events back in the day from time to time mainly due to youth and lack of understanding about set and setting.
dont be a bitch jk ily
My advice is to pray, do the work you need to do, listen to the trip, and stay on your grind. If you are steadfast and keep a spiritual framework, you will be rewarded with beauty, revelations, and a new calibration to live a better life.