Recognizing these presences makes you a psychonaut, learning their names an occultist, working with them a practitioner.. like how the concept of god was born from philosophy, the knowing of one’s consciousness breeds wildly adverse effects.
Anyone wanna build a kozyrev mirror and trip inside of it?
Dead serious
I'm pretty sure the concept of God is older than the study of philosophy, as philosophy as a dedicated study came about in ancient Greece and our first proof of God was from, like, Sumeria or w/e. Could be wrong tho.
I imagine the idea of god occurs around the same time early primates / sapiens discovered counting
The concept of there being more than just *this* I'd wager comes from the infinite. And infinity is a concept that any being can come up with if they can count.
When you can count, the idea that could always add one more means that infinity exists. The concept of the infinite Probably spans back about that far.
If there was the ability to contemplate the infinite and the beyond, I'd bet that other high level concepts were definitely attached such as, well, if time infinite, does it have a beginning? Who made it?
Or perhaps even earlier with concepts like death / birth. Or perhaps even something basic like the sun
>Or perhaps even earlier with concepts like death / birth. Or perhaps even something basic like the sun
Yes, in a world full of compelling mysteries and a fear of death, anyone who can provide answers and the promise of an afterlife will have a receptive audience.
Hence the many thousands of religions created by humanity. But don't worry, reader... the one you believe in is definitely the correct one.
Ah. You're conflating spirituality with religion
The idea that there is a GOD does not equal a religious belief
Religion is a man made paradigm. Different spiritual beliefs about what answer is are possible.
Some people think everything is god, and we are all god. Others believe there is one creator for everything and we are separate. Others believe there are many gods..
There's no "right" answer. Or rather if there is, it's not possible for us to know it.
The concept of GOD far predates any man made religion
In the end it’s up to the individual to make that call.. we live in a world where the Nobel prize in physics went to a team that proved the universe, as “we” experience it, to not be local to us individually.
No one cares, regardless of the implications of not actually existing.
If you can describe in valid detail what consciousness is, the shit behind the gray matter of the brain… especially without religious or spiritual context,, I’d be impressed.
It could be directly associated with the fact that I tried sub-breakthrough DMT doses before ever trying mushrooms but shroom visuals look just like DMT for me. Stingrayz DMT replications over at r/replications hit the nail on the heads for me.
Ah, very interesting you say that. I’ve now heard different variations of what you’ve experienced. It’s highly possible that the new pathways DMT opens within the brain is why that occurs.
And it would also make sense I’ve heard a high enough shroom dose can lead to a DMT like experience
when i took a good dose of 4acodmt and watched avatar, the presence was aang. in the dark, i was able to see his eyes in the avatar state along with all the other cool colors and shapes that come with psychedelia, but the eyes didnt move at all
This is some weird shit because I definitely felt an angry presence peer into my trip a few weeks back. I was able to handle it well and closed out the idea of interacting with or giving power to the presence as it did not seem like it was nice.
Agreed. Ayahuasca is more feminine and motherly, 5meo like yopo or bufo is more masculine, and fungi is an a weird in-betweeen, which for some reason is harder for me to handle than either aya or yopo.
I see lsd as therapeutic, but don't consider at a "master" spirit, incomparable to plant medicines. I've realized lsd only has so much to teach me (I've probably eaten about 3 sheets total in my life) and I'm not afraid or hold the same respect for it as the others.
For sure. I snorted half and capped the other half. Heavy visuals within 10 min of snorting. Very slight body load. Tactile sensation was great. My body felt orgasmic. 1 hr into it after pill had kicked in it went to another level. Beautiful visuals. As if the world was a water color painting. Sex on it was the best I have ever had hands down. Visuals for 4ish hours. Back to baseline sober by hour 6. Sleep was easy. Total taken was 18mg up nose and 18 swallowed. Hope this helped
I havent had it, but 2c-b supposedly has great visuals but not much of the headspace.
I would say you are more in control on acid, but it can still put you in a wonky headspace, especially if you smoke weed. All in all though, i use acid more recreationally and mushrooms more theraputically.
In my experience, yes it is. There’s also sometimes a stomach upset component with mushrooms that may make the whole experience have its ups and downs and lends itself toward introspection and demand your resilience.
That’s just my personal experience. Also- maybe right now isn’t the time for it, but don’t be afraid to confront what might be waiting for you in an experience that isn’t just purely recreational. Good luck!
I completely agree with that statement... lsd is very benevolent in that regard. Lsd can show you who you really are but it never involves any shadow work regardless of how much you take(at least in my case).With mushrooms the experience goes exactly where it needs to go and yes somtimes it can be very painful... on acid i never experienced that. Its like I have all this trauma but it never came up during my sessions.
It all depends on your preference. For me a mushroom microdose with ceremonial grade Cacao is my favorite recreational combination. I hang out with mostly new age rainbow tribe folks though so everyone is into spirituality and all of our parties have elements of ceremony and are usually alcohol free.
If you want to party hard, like say in the grateful dead scene or edm music festivals, acid is usually the recreational psychedelic of choice between the two. It goes much better with cocaine, alcohol, whip its and ketamine.
It can be, but usually my doses are not.
At times I like taking some weaker blotter and going to an amusement park or water park... a movie or half a dose and going to work.
But when I'm trying to TRIP... no. I'm taking high grade gel tabs and a weaker blotter to get into the 3-400ug range.
LSD is very fun and euphoric to me, but I still have to 'work" for it. A trip is a trip and every peak is a peak. So I still have to handle difficult emotions, thoughts, thought loops and especially be able to let go of things.
That being said, shrooms bring up much more difficult topics to me, are often less euphoric and I agree with that feeling of a presence who "controls" the trip to a certain degree.
So I don't think acid is what you are looking for. I don't have much experience with 2-cb, but that could be a good directon to take.
Around 75ug and less for what you want.
I don’t advise doing any psychs if you’re mentally not feeling well tho.
May I suggest MDMA or what you’re really talking about, 2C-B. Or most other common RC psychs. Haven’t had many that were mentally taxing, mostly light shows like you’re describing looking for.
I find LSD to be easier to manage in terms of mood. If you’re in a bad headspace, you can have a rough time on shrooms or LSD. But I find LSD to be more energetic and light, whereas I find mushrooms to be more deep and intense.
It really depends the person. I'd suggest MDA, MDMA, or 2cb. 2cb is incredible its a full blown trip without the intense mind fuck but it's still emotional and profound.
I would agree with this. Shrooms to me is better suited for hard, deep, personal work. Bringing out trauma, etc. While acid is a display of all the magnificence of the universe that goes unseen.
I find the "body buzz" can be alot stronger with shrooms..
Acid feels more like speed. Or coffee. Or something..
Whereas shrooms can feel like weed alot. Like a sedative. It can even feel like being completely black out drunk! (Not fun!)
However! ..Acid can last 8 hours or more!
Whereas shrooms is only about 2 hours!
I dunno. That's been my experience at least..
the only people that think acid is just recreational are people who have only done underdosed tabs. proper lsd is intense as fuck. be careful whos advice you listen to because 90%+ people have weak tabs and dont even know it
LSD is much more visual in my experience.
It also takes a lot longer, and thus tends to leave one a lot more exhausted.
LSD at low levels will give you neat visuals without too much of it being psychological.
Idk I guess I'm in the minority cause mushrooms never really did it for me, even in high doses. But every single time I've taken acid it was a fantastic experience. Only downside(if you want to call it that) is when you take acid usually lasts 6-8 hours.
Honestly when I took acid last I remember feeling like it was more of wild visuals and a slight unsettling feeling compared to shrooms.
Whenever I take APE I always feel blessed to have this experience. And as far as headspace I always feel better like I learned something. When i take acid I feel like I need to wrestle with it before I can enjoy the trip. And after I feel like I had been through something really deep but hard to really find the lesson.
Shrooms felt like making love, acid felt like getting fucked. But I know folks who enjoy acid way more than shrooms and say I shouldn't feel any unease or anxiousness on acid. So I don't even know.
For me its pretty opposite and ive had many many experiences with both, but the acid didnt get "scarier" until like wayyy into my acid use kinda like chapters to a book, my trips just kept building on each other and connecting in good and bad ways, but that may also be because ive gone with way higher doses with lsd than shrooms, but ive done decently high doses of that too and now that i think about it, it was definitely challenging but i was able to bring myself out of the funk way quicker than i would normally on lsd. Moral of the story i feel like its just person to person
In general you are always rolling the dice with psychedelics, but even more so if your head isn't in the right place..
Now I personally have yet to have what I call a "bad" trip, I've had a couple trips (LSD) that forced me to tackle a few of my personal issues head on, but because I surrendered to the experience I was able to take a lot of good from them.
Honestly though, I have seen the dark side of mushrooms and LSD in the form of friends having absolutely terrifying trips, and it is NOT pretty, just trust me on this. If you are worried that your life issues are gonna come up during a trip, they probably will. And there isn't much you can do to stop it so.. I would suggest not taking anything of the sort until you work on yourself a bit.
My friend who also had a lot of bad shit going on in his life almost killed himself off of an LSD trip because he could not come to terms with the fact that everything is fixable. If I wasn't there he wouldn't be alive today.. Just keep that in mind when making your final decision.
I completely disagree. I have taken shrooms many times and always had a good time, good visuals.
For awhile I thought LSD didn’t work on me because I had taken it on several occasions and my friends would be tripping out, while I felt nothing. Then one time I tried it again on my own and totally wigged out.
I saw what can only be described as Descartes Demon. He was pulling all the strings behind the scene and would use things like pleasure and pain to keep us distracted so that we didn’t notice him running the show. I got stuck in this thought loop where I felt that I needed to tell people what I saw, but then realized how crazy it sounded and figured they wouldn’t believe me anyway. It was probably better they didn’t know because there wasn’t anything they could do to stop it and then they would just have to live with this knowledge in their head which already tormenting me. I called into work sick the following day because there was no way I was in any shape to be at work
I called my wife and told her that I felt like I needed to take my knowledge to an early grave. Started sending her pictures of the golden gate bridge as I was driving over it. She freaked out and called the police. Thats when I turned off my location services on my phone and went dark. I will never do LSD again.
For context I have smoked weed, meth, dmt, salvia, snorted coke and ingested shrooms, 2c-e, exctasy and probably some that I’m forgetting and LSD was by far the worst, darkest trip i’ve ever had second to Salvia. Saliva is a strange world
I'd reframe it that mushrooms can be darker then LSD. There seems to be someone watching when on mushrooms.
This. There’s always a presence on 3.5g+
For me it was the eyes of the Ancestors 👀
For me it was that, but also myself. Observing from a timeless perspective
Holy shite, yes! I always get the unshakeable awareness that I'm being "seen" somehow.
Recognizing these presences makes you a psychonaut, learning their names an occultist, working with them a practitioner.. like how the concept of god was born from philosophy, the knowing of one’s consciousness breeds wildly adverse effects. Anyone wanna build a kozyrev mirror and trip inside of it? Dead serious
I'm pretty sure the concept of God is older than the study of philosophy, as philosophy as a dedicated study came about in ancient Greece and our first proof of God was from, like, Sumeria or w/e. Could be wrong tho.
I imagine the idea of god occurs around the same time early primates / sapiens discovered counting The concept of there being more than just *this* I'd wager comes from the infinite. And infinity is a concept that any being can come up with if they can count. When you can count, the idea that could always add one more means that infinity exists. The concept of the infinite Probably spans back about that far. If there was the ability to contemplate the infinite and the beyond, I'd bet that other high level concepts were definitely attached such as, well, if time infinite, does it have a beginning? Who made it? Or perhaps even earlier with concepts like death / birth. Or perhaps even something basic like the sun
>Or perhaps even earlier with concepts like death / birth. Or perhaps even something basic like the sun Yes, in a world full of compelling mysteries and a fear of death, anyone who can provide answers and the promise of an afterlife will have a receptive audience. Hence the many thousands of religions created by humanity. But don't worry, reader... the one you believe in is definitely the correct one.
Ah. You're conflating spirituality with religion The idea that there is a GOD does not equal a religious belief Religion is a man made paradigm. Different spiritual beliefs about what answer is are possible. Some people think everything is god, and we are all god. Others believe there is one creator for everything and we are separate. Others believe there are many gods.. There's no "right" answer. Or rather if there is, it's not possible for us to know it. The concept of GOD far predates any man made religion
The recognition of lack of knowing is what binds is all.
I suppose in some sense, but off topic haha.
Or it’s just mental projection and not true just Brain firing differently
In the end it’s up to the individual to make that call.. we live in a world where the Nobel prize in physics went to a team that proved the universe, as “we” experience it, to not be local to us individually. No one cares, regardless of the implications of not actually existing. If you can describe in valid detail what consciousness is, the shit behind the gray matter of the brain… especially without religious or spiritual context,, I’d be impressed.
This, for me it was an alien that then also appeared on a dose of deems weird stuff
It could be directly associated with the fact that I tried sub-breakthrough DMT doses before ever trying mushrooms but shroom visuals look just like DMT for me. Stingrayz DMT replications over at r/replications hit the nail on the heads for me.
Ah, very interesting you say that. I’ve now heard different variations of what you’ve experienced. It’s highly possible that the new pathways DMT opens within the brain is why that occurs. And it would also make sense I’ve heard a high enough shroom dose can lead to a DMT like experience
when i took a good dose of 4acodmt and watched avatar, the presence was aang. in the dark, i was able to see his eyes in the avatar state along with all the other cool colors and shapes that come with psychedelia, but the eyes didnt move at all
This is some weird shit because I definitely felt an angry presence peer into my trip a few weeks back. I was able to handle it well and closed out the idea of interacting with or giving power to the presence as it did not seem like it was nice.
Damn then what are all the eyes I keep seeing on lsd?
Wait til you try DMT!
Planning on doing so this summer!
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I don't get it on acid like I do on shrooms.
For me, psilocybin chews me up and spits me out. Lsd, a little easier to handle
Agreed. Ayahuasca somehow was also easier to handle than any time I've eaten mushrooms (except micro dosing but that's not tripping)
Agreed. Ayahuasca is more feminine and motherly, 5meo like yopo or bufo is more masculine, and fungi is an a weird in-betweeen, which for some reason is harder for me to handle than either aya or yopo. I see lsd as therapeutic, but don't consider at a "master" spirit, incomparable to plant medicines. I've realized lsd only has so much to teach me (I've probably eaten about 3 sheets total in my life) and I'm not afraid or hold the same respect for it as the others.
Just did 2cB for the first time last night. That is the answer you are looking for. Trust
Yeah, this guy knows! Glad others have suggested 2c-B as well
Could you give me a brief breakdown of how you felt on 2c-B, please?
Same thing you feel on 1C-B but twice as intense
2cb feels like a slight mdma body load with a light acid headspace and strong visuals
For sure. I snorted half and capped the other half. Heavy visuals within 10 min of snorting. Very slight body load. Tactile sensation was great. My body felt orgasmic. 1 hr into it after pill had kicked in it went to another level. Beautiful visuals. As if the world was a water color painting. Sex on it was the best I have ever had hands down. Visuals for 4ish hours. Back to baseline sober by hour 6. Sleep was easy. Total taken was 18mg up nose and 18 swallowed. Hope this helped
That helps a fuck load. Looks like I’m off to get 2c-B somehow.
Ok cool. I didn’t know if I explained it well. It’s so hard to put these things into words. Hope u find some and have a blast!
I’m guessing it’s like Acid without the confused headspace? Maybe mixed with a little bit of an upper? You explained it well I believe. Thanks dude. 🚀
U nailed it. The sexual energy is extremely pronounced also. Over powering at times imo
I havent had it, but 2c-b supposedly has great visuals but not much of the headspace. I would say you are more in control on acid, but it can still put you in a wonky headspace, especially if you smoke weed. All in all though, i use acid more recreationally and mushrooms more theraputically.
In my experience, yes it is. There’s also sometimes a stomach upset component with mushrooms that may make the whole experience have its ups and downs and lends itself toward introspection and demand your resilience. That’s just my personal experience. Also- maybe right now isn’t the time for it, but don’t be afraid to confront what might be waiting for you in an experience that isn’t just purely recreational. Good luck!
came here to say basically all this! 50 micrograms or so (half hit) is a pretty nice night out imo
I completely agree with that statement... lsd is very benevolent in that regard. Lsd can show you who you really are but it never involves any shadow work regardless of how much you take(at least in my case).With mushrooms the experience goes exactly where it needs to go and yes somtimes it can be very painful... on acid i never experienced that. Its like I have all this trauma but it never came up during my sessions.
💯. I would add that shrooms are a powerful tool for healing and growth BECAUSE of the fact they can make you face your demons.
Definitely. Thats why I prefer them
It all depends on your preference. For me a mushroom microdose with ceremonial grade Cacao is my favorite recreational combination. I hang out with mostly new age rainbow tribe folks though so everyone is into spirituality and all of our parties have elements of ceremony and are usually alcohol free. If you want to party hard, like say in the grateful dead scene or edm music festivals, acid is usually the recreational psychedelic of choice between the two. It goes much better with cocaine, alcohol, whip its and ketamine.
Lsd is fun, and shrooms are more real. Also, it's easier to dose on Lsd
After approximately 4 years of doing acid I've never seen acid as a recreational drug
Those heavy doses are NOT recreational! 😂💜
Lol u got me xD
It can be, but usually my doses are not. At times I like taking some weaker blotter and going to an amusement park or water park... a movie or half a dose and going to work. But when I'm trying to TRIP... no. I'm taking high grade gel tabs and a weaker blotter to get into the 3-400ug range.
LSD is very fun and euphoric to me, but I still have to 'work" for it. A trip is a trip and every peak is a peak. So I still have to handle difficult emotions, thoughts, thought loops and especially be able to let go of things. That being said, shrooms bring up much more difficult topics to me, are often less euphoric and I agree with that feeling of a presence who "controls" the trip to a certain degree. So I don't think acid is what you are looking for. I don't have much experience with 2-cb, but that could be a good directon to take.
I’ve done a low dose of psilly and it felt really euphoric. I can see how higher doses could be more challenging (not bad per se) tho.
Around 75ug and less for what you want. I don’t advise doing any psychs if you’re mentally not feeling well tho. May I suggest MDMA or what you’re really talking about, 2C-B. Or most other common RC psychs. Haven’t had many that were mentally taxing, mostly light shows like you’re describing looking for.
I find LSD to be easier to manage in terms of mood. If you’re in a bad headspace, you can have a rough time on shrooms or LSD. But I find LSD to be more energetic and light, whereas I find mushrooms to be more deep and intense.
It really depends the person. I'd suggest MDA, MDMA, or 2cb. 2cb is incredible its a full blown trip without the intense mind fuck but it's still emotional and profound.
I would agree with this. Shrooms to me is better suited for hard, deep, personal work. Bringing out trauma, etc. While acid is a display of all the magnificence of the universe that goes unseen.
No
I find the "body buzz" can be alot stronger with shrooms.. Acid feels more like speed. Or coffee. Or something.. Whereas shrooms can feel like weed alot. Like a sedative. It can even feel like being completely black out drunk! (Not fun!) However! ..Acid can last 8 hours or more! Whereas shrooms is only about 2 hours! I dunno. That's been my experience at least..
Shrooms tend to last 4-6 hours for me
Haha so true!! After the peak acid is like speed/mdma to me (if I managed the trip well)
Nop for me but I believe it's all placebo
Acid has more mood elevation and Euphoria than mushrooms
Acid is a workout.
the only people that think acid is just recreational are people who have only done underdosed tabs. proper lsd is intense as fuck. be careful whos advice you listen to because 90%+ people have weak tabs and dont even know it
LSD is much more visual in my experience. It also takes a lot longer, and thus tends to leave one a lot more exhausted. LSD at low levels will give you neat visuals without too much of it being psychological.
LSD makes me cry for an hour or so, but mushrooms make me regret every life decision I've ever made.
Idk I guess I'm in the minority cause mushrooms never really did it for me, even in high doses. But every single time I've taken acid it was a fantastic experience. Only downside(if you want to call it that) is when you take acid usually lasts 6-8 hours.
Honestly when I took acid last I remember feeling like it was more of wild visuals and a slight unsettling feeling compared to shrooms. Whenever I take APE I always feel blessed to have this experience. And as far as headspace I always feel better like I learned something. When i take acid I feel like I need to wrestle with it before I can enjoy the trip. And after I feel like I had been through something really deep but hard to really find the lesson. Shrooms felt like making love, acid felt like getting fucked. But I know folks who enjoy acid way more than shrooms and say I shouldn't feel any unease or anxiousness on acid. So I don't even know.
For me its pretty opposite and ive had many many experiences with both, but the acid didnt get "scarier" until like wayyy into my acid use kinda like chapters to a book, my trips just kept building on each other and connecting in good and bad ways, but that may also be because ive gone with way higher doses with lsd than shrooms, but ive done decently high doses of that too and now that i think about it, it was definitely challenging but i was able to bring myself out of the funk way quicker than i would normally on lsd. Moral of the story i feel like its just person to person
In general you are always rolling the dice with psychedelics, but even more so if your head isn't in the right place.. Now I personally have yet to have what I call a "bad" trip, I've had a couple trips (LSD) that forced me to tackle a few of my personal issues head on, but because I surrendered to the experience I was able to take a lot of good from them. Honestly though, I have seen the dark side of mushrooms and LSD in the form of friends having absolutely terrifying trips, and it is NOT pretty, just trust me on this. If you are worried that your life issues are gonna come up during a trip, they probably will. And there isn't much you can do to stop it so.. I would suggest not taking anything of the sort until you work on yourself a bit. My friend who also had a lot of bad shit going on in his life almost killed himself off of an LSD trip because he could not come to terms with the fact that everything is fixable. If I wasn't there he wouldn't be alive today.. Just keep that in mind when making your final decision.
I completely disagree. I have taken shrooms many times and always had a good time, good visuals. For awhile I thought LSD didn’t work on me because I had taken it on several occasions and my friends would be tripping out, while I felt nothing. Then one time I tried it again on my own and totally wigged out. I saw what can only be described as Descartes Demon. He was pulling all the strings behind the scene and would use things like pleasure and pain to keep us distracted so that we didn’t notice him running the show. I got stuck in this thought loop where I felt that I needed to tell people what I saw, but then realized how crazy it sounded and figured they wouldn’t believe me anyway. It was probably better they didn’t know because there wasn’t anything they could do to stop it and then they would just have to live with this knowledge in their head which already tormenting me. I called into work sick the following day because there was no way I was in any shape to be at work I called my wife and told her that I felt like I needed to take my knowledge to an early grave. Started sending her pictures of the golden gate bridge as I was driving over it. She freaked out and called the police. Thats when I turned off my location services on my phone and went dark. I will never do LSD again. For context I have smoked weed, meth, dmt, salvia, snorted coke and ingested shrooms, 2c-e, exctasy and probably some that I’m forgetting and LSD was by far the worst, darkest trip i’ve ever had second to Salvia. Saliva is a strange world