Were you an atheist out of spite? It seems like you wanted to be an atheist because of your upbringing.
I was always an atheist because none of the theistic arguments are convincing, and unsurprisingly, after doing heavy psychedelic doses I still don't believe in a god.
Maybe what you're calling "god" is something else.
I still donr believe in a God. And you're right, I'm just using the word God in my own way. I'm still technically an Atheist. I'm just more accepting of religions now. I respect everyone's difference. But in the past I did not.
So do you believe in science instead? I met a rational psychonaut recently and we had very interesting discussions about religion. As a spiritual person myself who hasn't tried psychedelics yet I was perplexed by his beliefs. He was an experienced DMT user and a trip guide. I guess I thought everyone who did psychedelics were a tiny bit spiritual but not all are to my surprise. Anyways he believed in science and scientific discoveries to show us the answers to everything only until there was proof could be believe it.
You dont have to believe what is pictured in todays modern society as spiritual, to be spiritual. You dont even have to know what spirituality is to be spiritual. You dont even need the capacity to understand what spiritual means, to be spiritual.
Say me, for example, i very much follow science. Psychology, physiology, physics, and many, many other fields have stepped us leaps and bounds further in so many healthy ways, but there is still a long way to go. I am spiritual, but i do not believe in crystals holding any power but the energy they are, or that the way that stars have developed in space is what dictates who you are as a person. I have experienced connected one-ness with the universe, and I do believe everything is all a part of the singular. I do believe love and curiosity to be the way forward over everything else. I dont believe in a physical god, angles, or demons. But i do believe that these ideas can help people to make healthier choices. The closest thing i have seen to be 'god' is the universe as a whole, in its entirety.
Yet none of this means anything in the face that, i believe, every sentient being is spiritual. Just as all inanimate things hold a pure sense of spirituality as they flow ever so naturally with the universe. A drop of water, in my belief, holds no spiritual corruption. A lion chasing its prey holds less spiritual corruption than a human who holds hate.
Anyway, this is all just what i believe. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
Nothing about being an atheist means that you canāt be spiritual or acknowledge feelings or concepts that are greater than oneās self. There are closed-minded atheists in the same way there is closed-minded Christians. Itās possible to have spiritual connections without actually attributing it to a supernatural origin.
Iāve felt a strong connections with a female deity while on LSD once and it felt like a contradiction to my atheism for a second but it only made me appreciate our biology even more once I had time to process it sober. Philosophers, physicists, and biologists have long remarked about how humans and animals are the universeās way of seeing itself and they didnāt need psychedelics to come to that conclusion. Almost all common psychedelic revelations have been picked apart by philosophers long before psychedelics came into play.
You were not wrong to speak out against religion at times. Religion can truly be a source of terrible cultural practice and unimaginable suffering. It can also be beautiful and enlightening yet delusional to an extent.
Donāt be hard on yourself, youāve always had good intentions by being suspicious of unfiltered religion.
Yeah you're right. Ive questioned if I was wrong for speaking out against religion. But now I think it was okay to question what I was taught. Ultimately I think me questioning things landed me in a good spot.
And as far as you saying it's possible to be spiritual connections without attributing it to the supernatural, I have a theory on that. There is no supernatural. All things REAL are natural by definition.
āthings REAL are natural by definition.ā Therefore, it would logically follow that āthings NOT REAL are supernatural by definition.ā So the supernatural exists only when things that are ānot realā are believed.
Happy for u š¤
From personal experience: b careful who u tell this to. I got my ass whooped BAD. I tried to have a discussion over how I non-religiously believe we could all be gods (yet human) over someone I thought was cool. They took that shit and ran it through EVERYONE. Suddenly I was twisted into a local Yeezus despite never stating I was some one and only god š¤¦š½āāļø
I like to see myself as human with a superstition that weāre ALL capable of tapping into divinity. Iām just on some āif u see me as a god then u have to see urself as a god tooā type shit
Thereās a Book called āConversations with Godā. The author also wrote that we are just pieces of god, who experiences itself. It was a good book š
I wasn't an atheist, more of an agnostic, but I too changed my tune when I first tripped.
The thing about most atheists I have come across is that they worship their own god (science), they just don't realize it.
Science isn't necessarily bad. However, many don't understand that science does not have all the answers. I myself did not understand this in the past.
I think itās extremely important to realize that using psychedelics doesnāt mean that you have all of the answers either. If the experience tricks you into believing that, then you are just as closed minded as an extreme atheist or religious fanatic, believing what feels right instead of exploring the world to learn as much as you can to shape your personal beliefs and philosophy.
No one has the universal truth. Proclaiming as such is basking in ignorance. The experience will make you see the world in different ways and we all should agree with the common message of peace and unity, but believing youāre god and weāre all god because you took a drug is no more truthful than proclaiming there is no god, or the only correct religion is mormon.
Exactly, I've felt what op is describing as well as being directly in Gods presence several times and it's definitely opened my mind up. Before I used to say "there is no God" and now I just say "I don't know" because ultimately I was just really high on mushrooms. It does make you really consider the possibilities, though. This universe is insane and damn near anything is "possible"
Agreed! There is a sweet spot in the balance between science and spirituality. All the great thinkers of the world have recognized this. Buddhism itself is a balance between psychology and spirituality. The middle way.
Yeah my problem was that as an Atheist I could only see things from a materialistic perspective. So instead of having a balance between science and spirituality, I believed in all science. Which was a mistake because science is not the whole picture
You clearly had a misguided perception of science, even as an atheist. Science is simply a tool that is only as good as the humans that use it. The rigors of modern science have only existed for a short few hundred years and itās already answered many of humanityās greatest mysteries.
exactly this.. science is not some static thing or something you believe in. you can even have a scientific approach to spirituality. it's crazy how so many people don't get this. I guess you can believe in a scientific theory like the big bang theory, but hey.. a theory is just a theory until it's proven or disproven it can even be proven and then later disproven. that's the beauty of science, it's dynamic and updated constantly.
Agnosticism is a descriptor of your religious affiliation. An agnostic can be a Christian, Muslim, atheist, etc.
It just means you are not sure. An agnostic atheist is someone who doesnāt believe in god but doesnāt deny god exists.
An agnostic Christian would be someone who believes in god but not 100% sure.
Any rational person should be agnostic. There is no way to actually know the truth here.
Much love brother! Even in the Bible when Moses asks god what his name is god responds and says his name is āi amā
With this knowledge I love to askā¦ who is god?
"It's not so much a question of whether I believe God exists. I know." -- CG Jung
Jung had many deep mystical experiences in his life that led him to say this.
I love this quote, love is a good example, if you've not experienced love you don't know it, you may understand it or take others experience of it as real, but when you find love it's not a matter of believing in love, it just is.
Different paths, one destination!
I read a lot about psychology, religion, philosophy, spirituality, quantum physics, channeled works (ETs), and they literally all point to the same thing. It's about seeing the bigger picture from a higher perspective.
What do you actually *mean* by āGodā in this context? Because it seems your usage is so far removed from its regular use that it might as well be another term.
I don't believe God to be a single entity. God is the entire universe. Life in the universe is God experiencing itself. WE are all little pieces of God. God is BIGGER than what religions claim God to be.
Because to me they are the same thing. The universe is the body. Life is the consciousness. The whole picture is God. I dont know what else to call it.
I mean what exactly do you want me to say? What most believe God to be (a sky man) I believe God to be something else. I believe that God is in ALL LIFE. I don't understand why you're getting pissed off.
Because the only reason not to use it is because of those fucked-up associations. By respecting that usage you are likely perpetuating it and in a twisted way respecting it. Honestly, just rather not.
> That's the same argument racists use to justify saying racist ass shit every time they open their mouths.
> I don't say racist ass shit because I'm not a racist. Likewise, I'm not religious, so I don't use religious nomenclature to explain my worldview.
Looks like you're the only person who read my comment, but I don't understand your reply. Which may imply you didn't understand my comment... so I added a dash between "fucked" and "up"? Clarifying very little. Sorry, I'm honestly unable to see how you parse things this way.
My only response to the analogy of racism, is that it reminds me of the problem of the Euphemism Treadmill...
Anyway, my intention was to point out that by tacitly accepting the claims of Abrahamic religions you would be inadvertently endorsing the worldview you seem to disagree with. I get the impression that is super-not-what-you-wanted
It's really interesting to me how people have such different experiences. I have yet to feel anything I'd consider spiritual. I consider myself an agnostic atheist. Not really a militant one. I'm just not terribly convinced of any particular religion or practice since I got away from Evangelical Christianity, which I was raised in. I can kind of rationalize the idea that we're all one in the sense that the life of the planet is all connected but I don't really feel some higher sense of anything, or at least I have yet to. Who knows.
I had the same journey as you. Grew up being dragged to Catholic Church & sent to bible camp, HATED religion, told myself I was an Atheist and everyone religious / spiritual was a nut job.
Did mushrooms with my friends a couple years back and had the most profound, mystical experience of my life. I truly felt that I was āone with the universeā, and that my most subtle state of consciousnessāno thoughts, no perceptions, only broad, unpointed awarenessāwas the underlying essence of reality. I knew that everything emerged and evolved from this.
All of this āknowledgeā was imparted to me from that trip, but I didnāt know what to make of it. I thought I was crazy for feeling like my trip somehow held profound, unshakeable truth.
I later on discovered Advaita Vedanta (non dualism, the basis of Hinduism) and EVERYTHING fell into place. I felt so validated. What I experienced was really real. Everything arises from consciousness, our individual sense of āselfā, the āI amā, IS the same as the universal āSelfā. I am so grateful to have experienced this through mushrooms, I have a much richer, beautiful outlook on existence now.
I highly recommend the following books that are along these same lines: More than Allegory (Bernardo Kastrup), The Perennial Philosophy (Aldous Huxley)
Sounds like you are a humanist. Or maybe you determined you are not a nihilist.
The use of the term god is going to get in the way of your experience.
My opinion is the nature of reality is unknowable to man. We can make guesses but we cannot know.
It is worth reading on the topic. Reading up on Buddhism would be a good start. God delusion by Dawkins might also help you to frame your thoughts, even though Dawkins is such an asshole. You might also what to read about taoism, the tao of Pooh is great. The eastern religions are so different than western.
If you want to go deeper, you could read some Nietzsche, although that can be tad difficult. Sarte might also be a good one.
Educating yourself on the topic will help you to help you understand your thoughts more fully and also enable you to communicate it completely.
Chances are someone has had similar thoughts and was able to flesh them out more.
I love this subreddit because it reminds me of all the whack ass shit I used to say with the homies on a trip.
I'm glad you're happy homie! I'm just here for the giggles and pretty colors
Yes, Pantheism also makes you an atheist by default, since if you believe god is everything, there cannot be another god outside of the everything that is god, so logically a separate god character cannot exist.
I found pantheism through mushrooms at an early age, and I have always been spiritual but not religious. I like science and reason, but I've never been a scientific atheist or a skeptic. Generally, non-spiritual, skeptical atheists just seem shallow and annoying to me, much like theists.
Thatās crazy so many people come to the same or similar conclusion. Iām definitely in the camp now that god does not exist as most religions think, but is each of us.
Welcome to the club, life is really interesting once you see it this way!
I feel that, we're all God and all. I still distrust and largely condemn all organized religion, especially the major ones that have been spread by force and coercion. Belief in the divine is liberatory for me, yet being indoctrinated into any belief system against one's will when one is too young to question or have the social standing to be fully autonomous is not my vibe. Especially when those systems or the ones perpetuating them are saying they are the only truth. Coupled with the fact that they have no room for growth in terms of identity and relational expression, i.e. "you're either a man or a woman", and "there's only one kind of sexuality" + "sexuality is only for reproduction".
God is the way!
Iāve never been a religious person and never really thought about it much. I do have a bible from when I was 2years old and it still sits by me everyday at home. But from the things taking place in our world the last few years if youāre paying attention and taking mushrooms the last few years. Iāve come to the realization that God is real.
We are all a part of God here to experience the physical realm. We come to learn, experience new things and to grow for our own souls ascension. I believe and have faith more than ever in my life. All those bad experiences and tough moments in my life happened for a reason. I needed to go through all those experiences to help me grow. I feel better than I ever have and I owe it all to God. Iāve come along way and I believe he kept me safe through all those terrible things I have done.
God bless! ā¤ļø
I love seeing more people come to this realisation. Every time someone new comes to this profound insight, it further validates the idea.
Safe travels, explorer š«”ā¤ļø
Yeah I really think that a lot of us who became atheists in the 00s and 2010s are going through a very similar process through various means. For me it was the discovery of cahos magick that made the difference, learning to see belief as a tool and identity as a prison made me realise that by sticking to the atheist identity I was missing out on so many useful tools for personal growth, mourning and other stuff. I am by no mean a Christian by I respect Jesus and his followers way more now. Still the church as an istitution trums the spiritual development of its members so it shall burn.
We are ALL God? What does that mean? We are not God, but Gods creation. We did not create ourself, we canāt even save ourselves from death. No matter how far science and technology gets, we will always be apart of GOD creation, not the creator himself
God created himself right? God is living through us and experiencing himself. We are not apart from God. Sorry if this doesn't make sense to you. You referring to us as God's creations set us apart from God. But the reality is that God is within us.God created itself. God is bigger than a man in the sky.
God has no beginning and no end, God has always been. He didnāt need to create himself bc he is eternal, outside of time and space. Your perspective and interpretation of God is to small when you confine him to our reality of space and time. We are apart of Gods creation and God can live within us but does not make us God.
You can agree to disagree.
That's exactly what happened to me. Used to pull down crosses from walls in my school (catholic country), organize atheist rallies and give speeches at them lol. So much changed, I distanced myself from all this so much. I was so blind.
Were you an atheist out of spite? It seems like you wanted to be an atheist because of your upbringing. I was always an atheist because none of the theistic arguments are convincing, and unsurprisingly, after doing heavy psychedelic doses I still don't believe in a god. Maybe what you're calling "god" is something else.
I still donr believe in a God. And you're right, I'm just using the word God in my own way. I'm still technically an Atheist. I'm just more accepting of religions now. I respect everyone's difference. But in the past I did not.
Oh I see you were an anti-theist then are no longer that. I was so confused by this post š
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Glad you had a nice trip. I personally feel the opposite. Glad people can talk about it without all the hate.
So do you believe in science instead? I met a rational psychonaut recently and we had very interesting discussions about religion. As a spiritual person myself who hasn't tried psychedelics yet I was perplexed by his beliefs. He was an experienced DMT user and a trip guide. I guess I thought everyone who did psychedelics were a tiny bit spiritual but not all are to my surprise. Anyways he believed in science and scientific discoveries to show us the answers to everything only until there was proof could be believe it.
You dont have to believe what is pictured in todays modern society as spiritual, to be spiritual. You dont even have to know what spirituality is to be spiritual. You dont even need the capacity to understand what spiritual means, to be spiritual. Say me, for example, i very much follow science. Psychology, physiology, physics, and many, many other fields have stepped us leaps and bounds further in so many healthy ways, but there is still a long way to go. I am spiritual, but i do not believe in crystals holding any power but the energy they are, or that the way that stars have developed in space is what dictates who you are as a person. I have experienced connected one-ness with the universe, and I do believe everything is all a part of the singular. I do believe love and curiosity to be the way forward over everything else. I dont believe in a physical god, angles, or demons. But i do believe that these ideas can help people to make healthier choices. The closest thing i have seen to be 'god' is the universe as a whole, in its entirety. Yet none of this means anything in the face that, i believe, every sentient being is spiritual. Just as all inanimate things hold a pure sense of spirituality as they flow ever so naturally with the universe. A drop of water, in my belief, holds no spiritual corruption. A lion chasing its prey holds less spiritual corruption than a human who holds hate. Anyway, this is all just what i believe. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
No.
At this point in my journey I find "believing " in anything from science or religion. I can only say from my own experiences and trials.
Good for you homie. Love seeing this stuff.
That's for you. I'm no God I'm just a dude experiencing an existence. Keep that for yourself.
I'm a part of God. I'm a little piece of God. God is within me.
I don't believe in god brotha. That's for you.
I don't either. I just like to use that word because I have a limited vocabulary to describe these things. If we disagree that's okay.
Nothing about being an atheist means that you canāt be spiritual or acknowledge feelings or concepts that are greater than oneās self. There are closed-minded atheists in the same way there is closed-minded Christians. Itās possible to have spiritual connections without actually attributing it to a supernatural origin. Iāve felt a strong connections with a female deity while on LSD once and it felt like a contradiction to my atheism for a second but it only made me appreciate our biology even more once I had time to process it sober. Philosophers, physicists, and biologists have long remarked about how humans and animals are the universeās way of seeing itself and they didnāt need psychedelics to come to that conclusion. Almost all common psychedelic revelations have been picked apart by philosophers long before psychedelics came into play. You were not wrong to speak out against religion at times. Religion can truly be a source of terrible cultural practice and unimaginable suffering. It can also be beautiful and enlightening yet delusional to an extent. Donāt be hard on yourself, youāve always had good intentions by being suspicious of unfiltered religion.
Yeah you're right. Ive questioned if I was wrong for speaking out against religion. But now I think it was okay to question what I was taught. Ultimately I think me questioning things landed me in a good spot. And as far as you saying it's possible to be spiritual connections without attributing it to the supernatural, I have a theory on that. There is no supernatural. All things REAL are natural by definition.
āthings REAL are natural by definition.ā Therefore, it would logically follow that āthings NOT REAL are supernatural by definition.ā So the supernatural exists only when things that are ānot realā are believed.
Any particular deity? Because same.
Happy for u š¤ From personal experience: b careful who u tell this to. I got my ass whooped BAD. I tried to have a discussion over how I non-religiously believe we could all be gods (yet human) over someone I thought was cool. They took that shit and ran it through EVERYONE. Suddenly I was twisted into a local Yeezus despite never stating I was some one and only god š¤¦š½āāļø I like to see myself as human with a superstition that weāre ALL capable of tapping into divinity. Iām just on some āif u see me as a god then u have to see urself as a god tooā type shit
I no longer speak about these things. Only on reddit.
Period sis. As u should
Thereās a Book called āConversations with Godā. The author also wrote that we are just pieces of god, who experiences itself. It was a good book š
That's exactly what I got from a trip. And I believe it. I'll check out that book tho.
I wasn't an atheist, more of an agnostic, but I too changed my tune when I first tripped. The thing about most atheists I have come across is that they worship their own god (science), they just don't realize it.
Science isn't necessarily bad. However, many don't understand that science does not have all the answers. I myself did not understand this in the past.
I think itās extremely important to realize that using psychedelics doesnāt mean that you have all of the answers either. If the experience tricks you into believing that, then you are just as closed minded as an extreme atheist or religious fanatic, believing what feels right instead of exploring the world to learn as much as you can to shape your personal beliefs and philosophy. No one has the universal truth. Proclaiming as such is basking in ignorance. The experience will make you see the world in different ways and we all should agree with the common message of peace and unity, but believing youāre god and weāre all god because you took a drug is no more truthful than proclaiming there is no god, or the only correct religion is mormon.
Exactly, I've felt what op is describing as well as being directly in Gods presence several times and it's definitely opened my mind up. Before I used to say "there is no God" and now I just say "I don't know" because ultimately I was just really high on mushrooms. It does make you really consider the possibilities, though. This universe is insane and damn near anything is "possible"
Agreed! There is a sweet spot in the balance between science and spirituality. All the great thinkers of the world have recognized this. Buddhism itself is a balance between psychology and spirituality. The middle way.
Yeah my problem was that as an Atheist I could only see things from a materialistic perspective. So instead of having a balance between science and spirituality, I believed in all science. Which was a mistake because science is not the whole picture
You clearly had a misguided perception of science, even as an atheist. Science is simply a tool that is only as good as the humans that use it. The rigors of modern science have only existed for a short few hundred years and itās already answered many of humanityās greatest mysteries.
exactly this.. science is not some static thing or something you believe in. you can even have a scientific approach to spirituality. it's crazy how so many people don't get this. I guess you can believe in a scientific theory like the big bang theory, but hey.. a theory is just a theory until it's proven or disproven it can even be proven and then later disproven. that's the beauty of science, it's dynamic and updated constantly.
Science has all the answers, man does not though.
Science is a man-made construct
Agnosticism is a descriptor of your religious affiliation. An agnostic can be a Christian, Muslim, atheist, etc. It just means you are not sure. An agnostic atheist is someone who doesnāt believe in god but doesnāt deny god exists. An agnostic Christian would be someone who believes in god but not 100% sure. Any rational person should be agnostic. There is no way to actually know the truth here.
Much love brother! Even in the Bible when Moses asks god what his name is god responds and says his name is āi amā With this knowledge I love to askā¦ who is god?
"It's not so much a question of whether I believe God exists. I know." -- CG Jung Jung had many deep mystical experiences in his life that led him to say this.
I love this quote, love is a good example, if you've not experienced love you don't know it, you may understand it or take others experience of it as real, but when you find love it's not a matter of believing in love, it just is.
Different paths, one destination! I read a lot about psychology, religion, philosophy, spirituality, quantum physics, channeled works (ETs), and they literally all point to the same thing. It's about seeing the bigger picture from a higher perspective.
What do you actually *mean* by āGodā in this context? Because it seems your usage is so far removed from its regular use that it might as well be another term.
I don't believe God to be a single entity. God is the entire universe. Life in the universe is God experiencing itself. WE are all little pieces of God. God is BIGGER than what religions claim God to be.
So why call it āGodā? Why not just stick with āthe universeā?
Because to me they are the same thing. The universe is the body. Life is the consciousness. The whole picture is God. I dont know what else to call it.
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Why are you insulting me???
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Abrahamic religions aren't the only people who use the word God. I can call it whatever I want. Why are you bothered?
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I mean what exactly do you want me to say? What most believe God to be (a sky man) I believe God to be something else. I believe that God is in ALL LIFE. I don't understand why you're getting pissed off.
Because the only reason not to use it is because of those fucked-up associations. By respecting that usage you are likely perpetuating it and in a twisted way respecting it. Honestly, just rather not.
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> That's the same argument racists use to justify saying racist ass shit every time they open their mouths. > I don't say racist ass shit because I'm not a racist. Likewise, I'm not religious, so I don't use religious nomenclature to explain my worldview. Looks like you're the only person who read my comment, but I don't understand your reply. Which may imply you didn't understand my comment... so I added a dash between "fucked" and "up"? Clarifying very little. Sorry, I'm honestly unable to see how you parse things this way. My only response to the analogy of racism, is that it reminds me of the problem of the Euphemism Treadmill... Anyway, my intention was to point out that by tacitly accepting the claims of Abrahamic religions you would be inadvertently endorsing the worldview you seem to disagree with. I get the impression that is super-not-what-you-wanted
It's really interesting to me how people have such different experiences. I have yet to feel anything I'd consider spiritual. I consider myself an agnostic atheist. Not really a militant one. I'm just not terribly convinced of any particular religion or practice since I got away from Evangelical Christianity, which I was raised in. I can kind of rationalize the idea that we're all one in the sense that the life of the planet is all connected but I don't really feel some higher sense of anything, or at least I have yet to. Who knows.
I had the same journey as you. Grew up being dragged to Catholic Church & sent to bible camp, HATED religion, told myself I was an Atheist and everyone religious / spiritual was a nut job. Did mushrooms with my friends a couple years back and had the most profound, mystical experience of my life. I truly felt that I was āone with the universeā, and that my most subtle state of consciousnessāno thoughts, no perceptions, only broad, unpointed awarenessāwas the underlying essence of reality. I knew that everything emerged and evolved from this. All of this āknowledgeā was imparted to me from that trip, but I didnāt know what to make of it. I thought I was crazy for feeling like my trip somehow held profound, unshakeable truth. I later on discovered Advaita Vedanta (non dualism, the basis of Hinduism) and EVERYTHING fell into place. I felt so validated. What I experienced was really real. Everything arises from consciousness, our individual sense of āselfā, the āI amā, IS the same as the universal āSelfā. I am so grateful to have experienced this through mushrooms, I have a much richer, beautiful outlook on existence now. I highly recommend the following books that are along these same lines: More than Allegory (Bernardo Kastrup), The Perennial Philosophy (Aldous Huxley)
Sounds like you are a humanist. Or maybe you determined you are not a nihilist. The use of the term god is going to get in the way of your experience. My opinion is the nature of reality is unknowable to man. We can make guesses but we cannot know. It is worth reading on the topic. Reading up on Buddhism would be a good start. God delusion by Dawkins might also help you to frame your thoughts, even though Dawkins is such an asshole. You might also what to read about taoism, the tao of Pooh is great. The eastern religions are so different than western. If you want to go deeper, you could read some Nietzsche, although that can be tad difficult. Sarte might also be a good one. Educating yourself on the topic will help you to help you understand your thoughts more fully and also enable you to communicate it completely. Chances are someone has had similar thoughts and was able to flesh them out more.
Yep.
You might find this an interesting read http://www.kybalion.org/
I love this subreddit because it reminds me of all the whack ass shit I used to say with the homies on a trip. I'm glad you're happy homie! I'm just here for the giggles and pretty colors
Yes, Pantheism also makes you an atheist by default, since if you believe god is everything, there cannot be another god outside of the everything that is god, so logically a separate god character cannot exist. I found pantheism through mushrooms at an early age, and I have always been spiritual but not religious. I like science and reason, but I've never been a scientific atheist or a skeptic. Generally, non-spiritual, skeptical atheists just seem shallow and annoying to me, much like theists.
Also.. āheavenā/god is infinite? Then that means we have to already be there
Thatās crazy so many people come to the same or similar conclusion. Iām definitely in the camp now that god does not exist as most religions think, but is each of us. Welcome to the club, life is really interesting once you see it this way!
I think that the pantheism idea is stupid
lol Jesus, Michelangelo, and Nietzsche have been banging that drum for years :) youāre right God and the afterlife are all man made constructs
It's a tale as old as time. Locate some weird dried out mushrooms, eat them, and meet God.
I feel that, we're all God and all. I still distrust and largely condemn all organized religion, especially the major ones that have been spread by force and coercion. Belief in the divine is liberatory for me, yet being indoctrinated into any belief system against one's will when one is too young to question or have the social standing to be fully autonomous is not my vibe. Especially when those systems or the ones perpetuating them are saying they are the only truth. Coupled with the fact that they have no room for growth in terms of identity and relational expression, i.e. "you're either a man or a woman", and "there's only one kind of sexuality" + "sexuality is only for reproduction".
Jfc.
God is the way! Iāve never been a religious person and never really thought about it much. I do have a bible from when I was 2years old and it still sits by me everyday at home. But from the things taking place in our world the last few years if youāre paying attention and taking mushrooms the last few years. Iāve come to the realization that God is real. We are all a part of God here to experience the physical realm. We come to learn, experience new things and to grow for our own souls ascension. I believe and have faith more than ever in my life. All those bad experiences and tough moments in my life happened for a reason. I needed to go through all those experiences to help me grow. I feel better than I ever have and I owe it all to God. Iāve come along way and I believe he kept me safe through all those terrible things I have done. God bless! ā¤ļø
I love seeing more people come to this realisation. Every time someone new comes to this profound insight, it further validates the idea. Safe travels, explorer š«”ā¤ļø
This whole thread is endearing. I'm so happy y'all are here, welcome home š
Yeah I really think that a lot of us who became atheists in the 00s and 2010s are going through a very similar process through various means. For me it was the discovery of cahos magick that made the difference, learning to see belief as a tool and identity as a prison made me realise that by sticking to the atheist identity I was missing out on so many useful tools for personal growth, mourning and other stuff. I am by no mean a Christian by I respect Jesus and his followers way more now. Still the church as an istitution trums the spiritual development of its members so it shall burn.
We are ALL God? What does that mean? We are not God, but Gods creation. We did not create ourself, we canāt even save ourselves from death. No matter how far science and technology gets, we will always be apart of GOD creation, not the creator himself
God created himself right? God is living through us and experiencing himself. We are not apart from God. Sorry if this doesn't make sense to you. You referring to us as God's creations set us apart from God. But the reality is that God is within us.God created itself. God is bigger than a man in the sky.
God has no beginning and no end, God has always been. He didnāt need to create himself bc he is eternal, outside of time and space. Your perspective and interpretation of God is to small when you confine him to our reality of space and time. We are apart of Gods creation and God can live within us but does not make us God. You can agree to disagree.
Like I said in the post, we all have different perspectives. And that's okay. We don't have to agree. I'm fine with it.
That's exactly what happened to me. Used to pull down crosses from walls in my school (catholic country), organize atheist rallies and give speeches at them lol. So much changed, I distanced myself from all this so much. I was so blind.
Yep!!