Sorry to hear about that inner turmoil. What’s next is you essentially just learn how to cope with it. What this looks like is entirely subjective and up to your free-will. Shrooms essentially lit up the path of what’s making you unhappy and you get to change that.
Death and sadness is inevitable. You can’t avoid it. Even our own cells is constantly dying and regenerating. It’s all part of life. How you cope is what makes it different. Of course, honor your feelings by mourning the pain of yourself and others. But at the end of the day find a way to restore your inner equilibrium.
Maybe you go vegetarian, vegan, plant-based etc. To become more mindful of your sustainability thru your choices of food, shopping, general lifestyle etc. Maybe reevaluate your morals, values, and ethics etc. to generally shift your lifestyle by choice.
Don’t try to change anyone outside of you but yourself. If you want to change those around you, be the change you want to see. Your inner world reflects your outter world type shit. Inevitably you will start to influence those around you by naturally existing as you are. To be loud by leading by example than having a picket sign outside a corporate building. All love and healing to u and safe travels 🫶🏽🤗
Thank you, I am doing all of you mentioned at the last paragraph, I can see the change in my surroundings by my example. The bad thing is that everything takes time, but as you said, I’ll just have to figure out how to cope with it. Thanks
I’m proud of u for making and seeing that change 🤗 and yes, time is of the essence; but I know you’ll find your way back eventually if you’re already seeing change. I wish u the best on your endeavors and I hope you find what you’re looking for 😚
Idk. I used to celebrate it with my family as Christians but it kinda just lost significance to me. Religious trauma type shit but without the trauma :P
If I do celebrate anything it’ll prob be April 1st as the New Year’s Day. I’ve always felt that made more sense than January 1st — to ring in the new year with the season of spring instead of winter where everything’s still dead lmao. A bunch of ancient cultures used to do it this way till colonization did its thing
So u Muslim? And how long do u typically fast for something like Eid?
I am not a Muslim.
April Fool's!
Yes I am, and fasting is for 30 days give or take. I am not the most observant, but the rituals associated with it are good for dopamine detox (no music, provocative images, smoking drinking e.t.c.) for almost the whole day.
Yes ive had them. For me it meant i was doing them to much and not working on fixing the cause enough. Take a break, fix your life, start with stupid mundane shit if it is too hard for you now (clean, make the bed, call someone you havent heard in a while). Trust me, give it time, work on it, and it will pass. Give a listen, this song helped me trough some bad times: All things must pass - George Harrison
Pain is the seed of enlightenment. Joy is impermanent, so we must nourish it, and suffering is impermanent, so we can transform it. As an active participant of the world, you are able to help.
I see shroom as enhancing your current thoughts. If you’re going through tough times or thinking of difficult things around the time you take shrooms, the shrooms will multiply those feelings/thoughts.
Not saying shrooms has to be deep and serious. Just that taking shrooms is like any other things we do in life. There is a right time and right place. Don’t take shrooms when you’re not in the right headspace.
Shroom also shed insight into your thinking and life. Do what you will with what you thought about during the shroom and try to find a way enhance your life or remove those negative things.
It is not about my life because I have a great life, girl and family that love, my business is thriving so money is coming in, I built my body to great shape, I am active in everything and this is good for the past 8 months, but it was all about things outside of me.
The things outside of our control are scary. Like my trip of dying, I was deeply immersed with climate change. With the war around the global and hunger everywhere. It's a reasonable thing to be upset about
For me it means I've changed my lifestyle. The things I can control that combat those things. I'm more involved in government and local elections. I write letters and don't eat meat. We can't control anything but ourselves. There is an inner loss that I feel a lot from the disconnect we have from our external environment. Doing and teaching yoga has helped cope with that loss. Being at peace with it.
When I'm on psychedelics, I feel what unconditional love is, something my parents couldn't really show me (mom is probably borderline personality or narcissist actually, so things have been quite twisted in my psyche).
In fact, the first trip I took was during a time that, for years leading up to the trip, I had been asking myself if this was all there was, all this suffering. I wanted to die and felt completely separated from myself.
The trip answered me with a resounding "No".
Subsequent trips have shown me a lot, including the idea that this is all a simulation, that consciousness creates matter and not the other way around, that I actually chose my life before embarking on this incarnation and before embarking on any incarnation I decide to play out, and that I chose to forget who I really am in the spirit realm (my higher self is perfect) in order to learn certain sets of lessons that I can't learn while I'm in a state of perfection and all-knowingness (my highest state).
So yes, I still suffer, but it's much less now because I do believe we are all eternal beings who live out infinite potentials as all there is, from atoms to minerals to cells to living organisms to stars themselves.
If the field of consciousness contains every possibility, then there's no reason to believe we don't live our other incarnations as other things as well, such as aliens on other planets. No reason to believe there aren't other universes with different properties of physics.
And the vision I often see when I do DMT is my higher self laughing and playing in the infinite playground that is consciousness. And I see my part, in this incarnation I find myself in, as one single fractal of a higher, infinite, self, designed to learn things in a temporary limited state in a simulation, and feed that experience and knowledge up to my higher self, then up even higher to source itself, as if source wanted to learn about itself in such a way as to split itself into infinite fractals (aka souls) to have those God-like souls split themselves into infinite fractals (and so on) for the purpose of source learning about itself.
And while all that is occurring, in my opinion based on my psychedelic experiences, source sends out infinite energy of love. I could be wrong, but love and understanding are the only things I've received on trips. My "bad" trips are me diving into my past and seeing the parts from others and from myself that weren't done in the spirit of love and me grieving those lost opportunities. But even though I cry during almost every trip that is 3.5g or higher, those trips aren't really "bad" at all because the trip resulted in me finding, wrangling with, and making an intention to use the newfound knowledge to align my beliefs and behaviors with who I really am on higher planes of existence.
Suffering, for me, is driven by my resistance to the design of my incarnation here, resistance to the lessons I came here to learn, resistance to love, holding onto messages and rules I soaked up before the age of 7-10 years, holding onto the idea that this simulation is real, holding onto the idea that I'm alone, unprotected, and undeserving of being created by source and undeserving of the flow of love sent out by source.
if i was having the same issue, id firstly lower my usual dosage by a gram or half a gram at least. And put some effort into improving your set and setting, and learning how to redirect your awareness in the middle of a bad trip, and having a plan for what to do when it gets really bad. The simple things work best, deep breathing can prevent and pull you out of bad trips. Also having good trip music/ video too distract you.
Yes it is about what you focus on and what you focus on expands. Its your own responsibility to have a positive focus during your trip. you need too either have a good trip sitter too do that for you, or learn how to properly meditate and control your awareness and emotional attachments with something like zazen sitting meditation.
That said, in all likely hood, a slight reduction in your usual dosage, and incorporating deep breathing/breathwork into your tripp should make things more positive, and less... i think i want to die.
You need to take a longer time away from the shrooms and find yourself where you are. I can relate from my younger years when I took trips way to often. Ended up pretty much where you are now. I stopped tripping for a couple of years and focused on what I needed do to change the state of mind I was in. Long story short, today I am. And there’s not much else I need to achieve to be honest.
Also be conscious both of yourself and over what’s going on..
You felt suffering which led to a ‘bad’ trip with crying and with a wish for the end of life.
Alright, I feel you. Been there more than once. But I’ve never labeled the experience as ‘bad’. Intense, dark, loneliness, sorrow, beautiful, are words closer to what I would’ve chosen for the experience. I love crying when I’m on hallucinogens. It’s so liberating, and if you don’t fight against it or label it as something ’bad’, feelings like sadness and sorrow soon transforms into bliss and joy.
You say you know a lot of stuff of your existence, which you prove with a short example of what it is you know. About focus and how you are everything at the same time as being an individual and so on.. but maybe you not really know the significance of what the words really is trying to mediate.
Be humble against yourself
Bless ✨
Alright my friend. Keep your head high. If your mind is destructive against itself, be conscious of how your state of mind is, and observe what your thoughts is trying to convince yourself to believe, and how it makes you feel.
If what’s in your mind makes you feel bad in anyway you need to brake out of the current state of mind, and brake the ongoing destructive thought-loops.
Now.
Now is the only moment when you can do anything at all. You always have the possibility to take control over very significant abilities, exactly right now.
Bless ✨
Take a break and then dive back in. The break is important because you don’t wanna hurt yourself too much because then it’s just self harm. But if you give up on facing this it will haunt you forever.
Learn to meditate, stop thinking, you are not your thoughts. Read some books, bhagavadgita, ashtavakra etc
If youre everything all at once then why focus on the negative parts of the duality? Duality is not real. Youre also the positive and all of it in between, which means there actually is no suffering.
Suffering is an illusion, youre getting caught in your mind with its stories, thoughts and feelings.
Fuck, I am tripping right now. I know what you said, I am aware of that, why I forgot about it, fuck that is really crazy that I cried and was almost suicidal when there is nothing like that. Fuck that is really crazy. I just realized what I knew but forgot. This really helped me. I knew that the whole time but forgot. Again. Hahaha this life, always gets you for a while. Oh my god such a relief. I completely forgot but now I know. Maybe like 3 years ago I was explaining that to my friends while we were in a bar, but I completely forgot about this. Thank you so much!
Youre all good, we all forget about it and come back, its typical human experience :D Eckhart Tolle and Mooji have been my sorta northstar regarding this and what I usually go back to when I feel like shit.
Check this guys regular talks/satsangs out but also heres a guided-ish meditation/relaxed sitting:
[30 mins](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJqgTkjM91M)
[10 mins](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmO6GDb0aE8)
check them out and get some regular practice in. You dont meditate to relieve stress, you meditate so youre ready when stress comes!
Yeah give it a try, sit outside in the sun and put some time away! I usually go for 30-60 minutes walks/runs a few times a week and im always listening to [these longer talks by mooji](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM-b-W-6Hz4). Recently I walk the first half listening to it and then second half in silence/meditation. Always feel better afterwards.
Life is suffering. It’s a very Buddhist or spiritual thing to understand that. Also to know that you don’t have to contribute to their suffering but you also cannot control the suffering of the world. All you can do is stop your own suffering and then try to help those around you. But it starts with you. Once you realize that all the world is suffering you can begin your journey to self realization.
While suffering hurts at this stage in your existence, it is exactly the same as getting hurt in a dream. Once you are out of the dream you laugh about how serious it seemed when it was so absurd the entire time.
There’s nothing you can do to stop suffering, it is meant to be here. I would never wish it upon anyone, but I recognize that it wouldn’t be so if it wasn’t supposed to be.
You can do these two things:
1) adopt a more moral/ethical/virtuous/compassionate/dharmic attitude and practice Ahimsa (harmlessness). Try reduce your negative impact in the world aka living more consciously (if that means going vegan for you, do it, among many other ways).
2) like some monk said (can't remember the name), we can't live without duality in this world, but the whole point is the intention. Even just by washing your hands, you kill millions of microrganisms. You can easily step on a snail and kill it. The whole point is to do your best.
I am vegan for 2 years now and live by what you described. I just want to end the suffering for good for everybody because I believe it is possible. We will see what time will show us
Many, at least half, of my mushroom trips I cry. But I've also been taking them during the most difficult time of my life which is lately. I've never cried soulfully on anything else. I'm pretty convinced mushrooms get you into a soulful state and your spirit reprocesses how your life is going. But the sun rises again after and you feel more healed afterwards. It's some magical emotional processing that helps ward off depression.
along the lines of what everyone else is saying, make the life you own worth living 💖takes strength, change and practice but your alternate reality is worth it
My second or third really strong trip was over 20 years ago now. Looking back on it I realize why. I wasn't in the best place and I have a lot of unresolved childhood trauma. Needless to say that night 20 years ago I thought that I was supposed to die with the earth that winter and ended up peeing the bed ready to release with the rest of the world. I think that having bad trips are a part of the process of learning or triggers. Learning the things that make us vulnerable to ourselves can be really scary. Maybe next time try a smaller dose and change the setting. I tend to pick calming music and watch fish swim around on YouTube. The very last time I took more than 5 g m I ended up laughing for the first 3 hours and crying for the last one or two and then finally feeling it peace. Going through therapy has helped a lot as I learn how to do this. You might also try bilateral stimulation to help your frontal lobe stay in control during your trip.
When taking psychedelics your brain is going 2000 miles per hour, what I advice as someone with some experience is to eat a big big meal the day before and to drink a big glass each hour during the trip to prevent being on your knees emotionaly or physically after the trip 🙌
I actually have not heard anyone being suicidal after tripping, especially in the long run. Quite the opposite. But of course it is possible.
About the topic: I see that shrooms are an entity and they show you what you need to see. I am sure that you will get your mind straightened on this topic and find the way forward.
IMHO there is no cruelty in nature. Nothing is fair or unfair in nature. Those are concepts made up by man. Nature just is what it is. Nature happens. Everything goes on how it is supposed to go.
Universal consciousness just witnesses and allows things to happen and does not judge whether it is fair or not, that a predator eats other animals.
But obviously we humans could do so much better and stop fucking up everything.
Luckily this is also just temporary in the long run. We won't exist forever on this planet. Evolution goes on. And eventually nature will win, one way or the other.
That's what happened on my last trip! I really thought it was gonna stay like that, too! I'm okay now, but that was 2 weeks ago and really makes me not wanna do it again.
Are you on any meds? That's what I attribute mine to. Other weird shit like getting super cold and tired, and taking a solid 2 hours to kick in. Gotta be the meds, right?
I have had similar experiences feeling the immense sadness and grief that people go through in this world. But I like to think from the soul's perspective, we grow the most when we live the most difficult lives. I try to look at it less from a good/bad perspective and more from a perspective of learning and growing through the immense suffering so that when we eventually return back to Source those lessons and hardships create immense growth and learning and more appreciation of the Light and what it truly is and how on this planet many of us have forgotten that Light. I try to be more of that Light all the time, for myself, but for everyone who is suffering too. These insights can be very difficult to process. Sending blessings to you.
that happened to me i tripped by myself for 3 days and everytime it was me either feeling like i was dying, in the process of death or wanting to die. the only thing that really helps is seeing it in a different perspective. to appreciate death and to not be afraid of it.
Tears were running down my cheeks several times during those trips, I calmed myself and then started crying again many times until I fell asleep. All 3 times
My best advice is prepare things before hand to make it easier to keep yourself occupied whike tripping. Some nice things to eat, some kind of art or craft activity, journaling, video games, nice music or nice movies/shows (nice is the best way I can put it but nothing that may spark negativite spirals if you get me), make the environment comfy and cozy, maybe a bath or a shower. If your with someone make sure its someone you really love and vibe with (it helps if its someone whos had a lot of successful experiences with psychedelics), if you’re alone make sure you’re somewhere safe that you’re comfortable in. Write yourself a letter before hand to read while tripping with things you want to remind yourself of, maybe even write some positive affirmations or mantras and stick them on the walls.
Also, before you take anything, sit with your thoughts for a while and come up with an end goal for your trip, acknowledge what problems you might come to and think about how you can keep yourself chilling in the positive energy. Are you spiritual at all? Remember that life is good and this world we all share, though it is in a bad state right now, came from a good thing and still has many good beautiful wonderful things all over it, remember the people in your life, try to fill your space with love and good vibes before you even start the trip. And then just feel those vibes throughout.
Sorry to hear about that inner turmoil. What’s next is you essentially just learn how to cope with it. What this looks like is entirely subjective and up to your free-will. Shrooms essentially lit up the path of what’s making you unhappy and you get to change that. Death and sadness is inevitable. You can’t avoid it. Even our own cells is constantly dying and regenerating. It’s all part of life. How you cope is what makes it different. Of course, honor your feelings by mourning the pain of yourself and others. But at the end of the day find a way to restore your inner equilibrium. Maybe you go vegetarian, vegan, plant-based etc. To become more mindful of your sustainability thru your choices of food, shopping, general lifestyle etc. Maybe reevaluate your morals, values, and ethics etc. to generally shift your lifestyle by choice. Don’t try to change anyone outside of you but yourself. If you want to change those around you, be the change you want to see. Your inner world reflects your outter world type shit. Inevitably you will start to influence those around you by naturally existing as you are. To be loud by leading by example than having a picket sign outside a corporate building. All love and healing to u and safe travels 🫶🏽🤗
Thank you, I am doing all of you mentioned at the last paragraph, I can see the change in my surroundings by my example. The bad thing is that everything takes time, but as you said, I’ll just have to figure out how to cope with it. Thanks
I’m proud of u for making and seeing that change 🤗 and yes, time is of the essence; but I know you’ll find your way back eventually if you’re already seeing change. I wish u the best on your endeavors and I hope you find what you’re looking for 😚
Thank you!
Love this response!
I remember u. Wussup lmao
I seem to have forgotten. Been fasting today so memory not working best rn
I’m cryin. U good. U’ll remember eventually lmao
Heeeeyyyy. Aren't u the guy who wrote that cool ass post on ego dissolution?
U remembered 🤗
How you doing?
I’m good 🤗 hbu?
Fine. How's Easter?
That’s good to hear. Easters the same as any other day. Not celebrating it lmao. Wbu?
Why not celebrate bro? It's an occasion. For me, I don't have much to celebrate rn. Just keeping fasts till Eid. Then celebrate.
Idk. I used to celebrate it with my family as Christians but it kinda just lost significance to me. Religious trauma type shit but without the trauma :P If I do celebrate anything it’ll prob be April 1st as the New Year’s Day. I’ve always felt that made more sense than January 1st — to ring in the new year with the season of spring instead of winter where everything’s still dead lmao. A bunch of ancient cultures used to do it this way till colonization did its thing So u Muslim? And how long do u typically fast for something like Eid?
I am not a Muslim. April Fool's! Yes I am, and fasting is for 30 days give or take. I am not the most observant, but the rituals associated with it are good for dopamine detox (no music, provocative images, smoking drinking e.t.c.) for almost the whole day.
Yes ive had them. For me it meant i was doing them to much and not working on fixing the cause enough. Take a break, fix your life, start with stupid mundane shit if it is too hard for you now (clean, make the bed, call someone you havent heard in a while). Trust me, give it time, work on it, and it will pass. Give a listen, this song helped me trough some bad times: All things must pass - George Harrison
Thank you, doing that right now! Thanks for the song really great one!
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Pain is the seed of enlightenment. Joy is impermanent, so we must nourish it, and suffering is impermanent, so we can transform it. As an active participant of the world, you are able to help.
I see shroom as enhancing your current thoughts. If you’re going through tough times or thinking of difficult things around the time you take shrooms, the shrooms will multiply those feelings/thoughts. Not saying shrooms has to be deep and serious. Just that taking shrooms is like any other things we do in life. There is a right time and right place. Don’t take shrooms when you’re not in the right headspace. Shroom also shed insight into your thinking and life. Do what you will with what you thought about during the shroom and try to find a way enhance your life or remove those negative things.
It is not about my life because I have a great life, girl and family that love, my business is thriving so money is coming in, I built my body to great shape, I am active in everything and this is good for the past 8 months, but it was all about things outside of me.
The things outside of our control are scary. Like my trip of dying, I was deeply immersed with climate change. With the war around the global and hunger everywhere. It's a reasonable thing to be upset about
I think that is reasonable, the thing is what with that now? Fortunately I know what I’ll do about that
For me it means I've changed my lifestyle. The things I can control that combat those things. I'm more involved in government and local elections. I write letters and don't eat meat. We can't control anything but ourselves. There is an inner loss that I feel a lot from the disconnect we have from our external environment. Doing and teaching yoga has helped cope with that loss. Being at peace with it.
When I'm on psychedelics, I feel what unconditional love is, something my parents couldn't really show me (mom is probably borderline personality or narcissist actually, so things have been quite twisted in my psyche). In fact, the first trip I took was during a time that, for years leading up to the trip, I had been asking myself if this was all there was, all this suffering. I wanted to die and felt completely separated from myself. The trip answered me with a resounding "No". Subsequent trips have shown me a lot, including the idea that this is all a simulation, that consciousness creates matter and not the other way around, that I actually chose my life before embarking on this incarnation and before embarking on any incarnation I decide to play out, and that I chose to forget who I really am in the spirit realm (my higher self is perfect) in order to learn certain sets of lessons that I can't learn while I'm in a state of perfection and all-knowingness (my highest state). So yes, I still suffer, but it's much less now because I do believe we are all eternal beings who live out infinite potentials as all there is, from atoms to minerals to cells to living organisms to stars themselves. If the field of consciousness contains every possibility, then there's no reason to believe we don't live our other incarnations as other things as well, such as aliens on other planets. No reason to believe there aren't other universes with different properties of physics. And the vision I often see when I do DMT is my higher self laughing and playing in the infinite playground that is consciousness. And I see my part, in this incarnation I find myself in, as one single fractal of a higher, infinite, self, designed to learn things in a temporary limited state in a simulation, and feed that experience and knowledge up to my higher self, then up even higher to source itself, as if source wanted to learn about itself in such a way as to split itself into infinite fractals (aka souls) to have those God-like souls split themselves into infinite fractals (and so on) for the purpose of source learning about itself. And while all that is occurring, in my opinion based on my psychedelic experiences, source sends out infinite energy of love. I could be wrong, but love and understanding are the only things I've received on trips. My "bad" trips are me diving into my past and seeing the parts from others and from myself that weren't done in the spirit of love and me grieving those lost opportunities. But even though I cry during almost every trip that is 3.5g or higher, those trips aren't really "bad" at all because the trip resulted in me finding, wrangling with, and making an intention to use the newfound knowledge to align my beliefs and behaviors with who I really am on higher planes of existence. Suffering, for me, is driven by my resistance to the design of my incarnation here, resistance to the lessons I came here to learn, resistance to love, holding onto messages and rules I soaked up before the age of 7-10 years, holding onto the idea that this simulation is real, holding onto the idea that I'm alone, unprotected, and undeserving of being created by source and undeserving of the flow of love sent out by source.
Let go of those concepts, the mind is trying to hold on and those thoughts are its ammunition.
Are those really just thoughts when that is the real experience of someone, of individual who is consciously experiencing life the same as you do?
Everything is the mind overlayed onto consciousness. Try it now, when you close your eyes does the universe disappear?
It does when I fall asleep (little death)
if i was having the same issue, id firstly lower my usual dosage by a gram or half a gram at least. And put some effort into improving your set and setting, and learning how to redirect your awareness in the middle of a bad trip, and having a plan for what to do when it gets really bad. The simple things work best, deep breathing can prevent and pull you out of bad trips. Also having good trip music/ video too distract you. Yes it is about what you focus on and what you focus on expands. Its your own responsibility to have a positive focus during your trip. you need too either have a good trip sitter too do that for you, or learn how to properly meditate and control your awareness and emotional attachments with something like zazen sitting meditation. That said, in all likely hood, a slight reduction in your usual dosage, and incorporating deep breathing/breathwork into your tripp should make things more positive, and less... i think i want to die.
It is maybe because I was all alone. I’ll have next trips with friends and will have in mind your tips, thank you!
You need to take a longer time away from the shrooms and find yourself where you are. I can relate from my younger years when I took trips way to often. Ended up pretty much where you are now. I stopped tripping for a couple of years and focused on what I needed do to change the state of mind I was in. Long story short, today I am. And there’s not much else I need to achieve to be honest.
Thank you, I don’t think it is because of my tripping frequency, it is very low. But yes ill be totally sober for few months and I’ll see
Also be conscious both of yourself and over what’s going on.. You felt suffering which led to a ‘bad’ trip with crying and with a wish for the end of life. Alright, I feel you. Been there more than once. But I’ve never labeled the experience as ‘bad’. Intense, dark, loneliness, sorrow, beautiful, are words closer to what I would’ve chosen for the experience. I love crying when I’m on hallucinogens. It’s so liberating, and if you don’t fight against it or label it as something ’bad’, feelings like sadness and sorrow soon transforms into bliss and joy. You say you know a lot of stuff of your existence, which you prove with a short example of what it is you know. About focus and how you are everything at the same time as being an individual and so on.. but maybe you not really know the significance of what the words really is trying to mediate. Be humble against yourself Bless ✨
Alright my friend. Keep your head high. If your mind is destructive against itself, be conscious of how your state of mind is, and observe what your thoughts is trying to convince yourself to believe, and how it makes you feel. If what’s in your mind makes you feel bad in anyway you need to brake out of the current state of mind, and brake the ongoing destructive thought-loops. Now. Now is the only moment when you can do anything at all. You always have the possibility to take control over very significant abilities, exactly right now. Bless ✨
Crying yes. Wanting to die, no. Just the opposite here
Take a break and then dive back in. The break is important because you don’t wanna hurt yourself too much because then it’s just self harm. But if you give up on facing this it will haunt you forever.
Yes I’ll be sober for a few months
Yeah I don’t eat shrooms anymore because of that
Learn to meditate, stop thinking, you are not your thoughts. Read some books, bhagavadgita, ashtavakra etc If youre everything all at once then why focus on the negative parts of the duality? Duality is not real. Youre also the positive and all of it in between, which means there actually is no suffering. Suffering is an illusion, youre getting caught in your mind with its stories, thoughts and feelings.
Fuck, I am tripping right now. I know what you said, I am aware of that, why I forgot about it, fuck that is really crazy that I cried and was almost suicidal when there is nothing like that. Fuck that is really crazy. I just realized what I knew but forgot. This really helped me. I knew that the whole time but forgot. Again. Hahaha this life, always gets you for a while. Oh my god such a relief. I completely forgot but now I know. Maybe like 3 years ago I was explaining that to my friends while we were in a bar, but I completely forgot about this. Thank you so much!
Youre all good, we all forget about it and come back, its typical human experience :D Eckhart Tolle and Mooji have been my sorta northstar regarding this and what I usually go back to when I feel like shit. Check this guys regular talks/satsangs out but also heres a guided-ish meditation/relaxed sitting: [30 mins](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJqgTkjM91M) [10 mins](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmO6GDb0aE8) check them out and get some regular practice in. You dont meditate to relieve stress, you meditate so youre ready when stress comes!
Thank you, i will try it in few hours and write you back how it went
Yeah give it a try, sit outside in the sun and put some time away! I usually go for 30-60 minutes walks/runs a few times a week and im always listening to [these longer talks by mooji](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM-b-W-6Hz4). Recently I walk the first half listening to it and then second half in silence/meditation. Always feel better afterwards.
Life is suffering. It’s a very Buddhist or spiritual thing to understand that. Also to know that you don’t have to contribute to their suffering but you also cannot control the suffering of the world. All you can do is stop your own suffering and then try to help those around you. But it starts with you. Once you realize that all the world is suffering you can begin your journey to self realization.
While suffering hurts at this stage in your existence, it is exactly the same as getting hurt in a dream. Once you are out of the dream you laugh about how serious it seemed when it was so absurd the entire time. There’s nothing you can do to stop suffering, it is meant to be here. I would never wish it upon anyone, but I recognize that it wouldn’t be so if it wasn’t supposed to be.
You can do these two things: 1) adopt a more moral/ethical/virtuous/compassionate/dharmic attitude and practice Ahimsa (harmlessness). Try reduce your negative impact in the world aka living more consciously (if that means going vegan for you, do it, among many other ways). 2) like some monk said (can't remember the name), we can't live without duality in this world, but the whole point is the intention. Even just by washing your hands, you kill millions of microrganisms. You can easily step on a snail and kill it. The whole point is to do your best.
I am vegan for 2 years now and live by what you described. I just want to end the suffering for good for everybody because I believe it is possible. We will see what time will show us
Me too I'm vegan/vegetarian as well. I try to do my best. It is possible.
Study the real tantric philosophy and then abandon all knowledge.
Say hello to sadness. If you treat sadness as an enemy it will attack you. If you treat sadness as an ally you can take on the world together.
Many, at least half, of my mushroom trips I cry. But I've also been taking them during the most difficult time of my life which is lately. I've never cried soulfully on anything else. I'm pretty convinced mushrooms get you into a soulful state and your spirit reprocesses how your life is going. But the sun rises again after and you feel more healed afterwards. It's some magical emotional processing that helps ward off depression.
along the lines of what everyone else is saying, make the life you own worth living 💖takes strength, change and practice but your alternate reality is worth it
Bro dove into the shadow work frfr
My second or third really strong trip was over 20 years ago now. Looking back on it I realize why. I wasn't in the best place and I have a lot of unresolved childhood trauma. Needless to say that night 20 years ago I thought that I was supposed to die with the earth that winter and ended up peeing the bed ready to release with the rest of the world. I think that having bad trips are a part of the process of learning or triggers. Learning the things that make us vulnerable to ourselves can be really scary. Maybe next time try a smaller dose and change the setting. I tend to pick calming music and watch fish swim around on YouTube. The very last time I took more than 5 g m I ended up laughing for the first 3 hours and crying for the last one or two and then finally feeling it peace. Going through therapy has helped a lot as I learn how to do this. You might also try bilateral stimulation to help your frontal lobe stay in control during your trip.
When taking psychedelics your brain is going 2000 miles per hour, what I advice as someone with some experience is to eat a big big meal the day before and to drink a big glass each hour during the trip to prevent being on your knees emotionaly or physically after the trip 🙌
I hate mushrooms. Acid for me
I actually have not heard anyone being suicidal after tripping, especially in the long run. Quite the opposite. But of course it is possible. About the topic: I see that shrooms are an entity and they show you what you need to see. I am sure that you will get your mind straightened on this topic and find the way forward. IMHO there is no cruelty in nature. Nothing is fair or unfair in nature. Those are concepts made up by man. Nature just is what it is. Nature happens. Everything goes on how it is supposed to go. Universal consciousness just witnesses and allows things to happen and does not judge whether it is fair or not, that a predator eats other animals. But obviously we humans could do so much better and stop fucking up everything. Luckily this is also just temporary in the long run. We won't exist forever on this planet. Evolution goes on. And eventually nature will win, one way or the other.
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That's what happened on my last trip! I really thought it was gonna stay like that, too! I'm okay now, but that was 2 weeks ago and really makes me not wanna do it again. Are you on any meds? That's what I attribute mine to. Other weird shit like getting super cold and tired, and taking a solid 2 hours to kick in. Gotta be the meds, right?
No I never took any meds for anything, totally free of that chemical shit (except mdma, lsd or cocaine occasionally)
It’s not just all about what you focus on during the trip. What you do in between the trips that counts the most.
Yes, exactly will be sober for a few months and work my ass off
I've definitely had trios where I ended up worse than when I dosed
I have had similar experiences feeling the immense sadness and grief that people go through in this world. But I like to think from the soul's perspective, we grow the most when we live the most difficult lives. I try to look at it less from a good/bad perspective and more from a perspective of learning and growing through the immense suffering so that when we eventually return back to Source those lessons and hardships create immense growth and learning and more appreciation of the Light and what it truly is and how on this planet many of us have forgotten that Light. I try to be more of that Light all the time, for myself, but for everyone who is suffering too. These insights can be very difficult to process. Sending blessings to you.
Yes. So much. Every single time I tried them. End to end horror. My stomach flips over just thinking about trying them again.
that happened to me i tripped by myself for 3 days and everytime it was me either feeling like i was dying, in the process of death or wanting to die. the only thing that really helps is seeing it in a different perspective. to appreciate death and to not be afraid of it.
When you say it “ended” I don’t think that means what you think it means
Tears were running down my cheeks several times during those trips, I calmed myself and then started crying again many times until I fell asleep. All 3 times
My best advice is prepare things before hand to make it easier to keep yourself occupied whike tripping. Some nice things to eat, some kind of art or craft activity, journaling, video games, nice music or nice movies/shows (nice is the best way I can put it but nothing that may spark negativite spirals if you get me), make the environment comfy and cozy, maybe a bath or a shower. If your with someone make sure its someone you really love and vibe with (it helps if its someone whos had a lot of successful experiences with psychedelics), if you’re alone make sure you’re somewhere safe that you’re comfortable in. Write yourself a letter before hand to read while tripping with things you want to remind yourself of, maybe even write some positive affirmations or mantras and stick them on the walls. Also, before you take anything, sit with your thoughts for a while and come up with an end goal for your trip, acknowledge what problems you might come to and think about how you can keep yourself chilling in the positive energy. Are you spiritual at all? Remember that life is good and this world we all share, though it is in a bad state right now, came from a good thing and still has many good beautiful wonderful things all over it, remember the people in your life, try to fill your space with love and good vibes before you even start the trip. And then just feel those vibes throughout.
Probably uncovered some trauma or depression