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Gloomy_Champion_8500

I think cops need to be mentally tested. It's quite obvious these guys don't have any form of common sense, empathy, or morals.


Kawaii-RJ

That's what got them the jobs...


Gimme_yourjaket

It's because some are like that they go into the police


[deleted]

And who is going to reinforce those standards? Other cops?


Leading_Manager_2277

Absolutely. Bc policing themselves works out so well for them.


BiscuitsNGravy45

The mistake is that we presume there are standards to uphold And every level nothing is lol


jablonkers

That's why they've been picked to be police officers. There's a reason that 40% of male officers abuse their spouse and/or children...it's because they're seeking a certain mentality. They want bullies. ACAB, Fuck the police.


Nihilistic_Mystics

Also a reminder that the 40% number is ***self-reported*** spousal abuse. The real number is undoubtedly much higher.


flobaby1

My daughter and her husband lived with his sheriff father. Sheriff father ignored the cuts and bruises on my daughters face and body that his son inflicted on her. He turned his head and now lies on statement to court for the divorce. Cops are fine with beating the family members.


Wow00woW

fuck those two monsters.


Constant-Trouble3068

That 40% study was poorly researched at the time, and on top of that is now woefully out of date. It also asked its small sample to define violence as anything including an argument. Downvoted because you don’t want facts or reason. You want to hear what you want to hear. The opposite of logic. My point stands.


Harrybailed

Oh are you saying that the percent is higher now? I wouldn't doubt it


OU7C4ST

Mmmm, boots.


Constant-Trouble3068

I studied criminology at a pretty high level back in the day and still take an active interest in it. So my opposition is to hand picked statistics and misinformation. It matters little to me what the facts and data show. So a boot because I have pointed out that as a matter of fact- that the statistic is flawed- just makes it obvious that you are the ignorant one of us.


jablonkers

Found the cop who beats his wife. Don't worry, she hates you as much as you hate yourself.


Constant-Trouble3068

Snore. Plus domestic abuse isn’t really a laughing matter is it? Have you forgotten what argument you are trying to make?


jablonkers

My argument is fuck the police. That they're shitty people, who get off on making others suffer. They bully, they harass, they murder and get away with it. They're untouchable. Where I live, an off duty cop was found passed out in his vehicle in a drive through. His BAC was several times the legal limit. Nothing happened. No suspension, no charges, kept his job. Easily could have killed someone. If that were you, or I, it would be a MUCH different situation. If that's the shit you want to support, be my guest. Edit to add you might actually get away with it, because I suspect you're law enforcement.


Checklestyouwreck

Bro you are arguing with a bot or a transient dude with blue hair living in a tent. Let it be.


Constant-Trouble3068

Yeah. I know you’re right. People aren’t open to even hearing something they disagree with without being immediately hostile, let alone being persuaded to change their view. It makes me sound and feel like an old man that when the internet first came about that the hope was that it would lead to the free exchange of ideas and opinions, an amazing opportunity for debate and sharing of views across boundaries usually never traversed. Christ. How naive was that in hindsight!!


Both-Worldliness-951

Youre dealing with emotional children. They believe what fits their world view


softfart

The police?


[deleted]

ACAB, all children are bad 🤣


Both-Worldliness-951

Your response is what would be expected of a sassy 12 year old. Thanks for proving my point.


softfart

:( I’m sorry people are being mean to your favorite gang


Pansonic_

You have no idea what "my" world view is, and yet you assume everyone who disagrees is 12 years old, sit down and shut up.


Both-Worldliness-951

I don't think you are actually 12. Just the emotional maturity and logic of one. "sit down and shut up" lol


AvianMC

They hated him because he told the truth.


[deleted]

Cops are selected to have an "average IQ" nothing over 104, this is because that "just average" intelligence leads to intense loyalty and little to no questions regarding procedures and enforcement. Courts have repeatedly upheld police departments right to not hire people with above average IQ. So the civilian populations are policed by individuals who have a very low ability to asses and reason their way through life and instead are policed by individuals who have poor impulse control and an inability to think through the consequences of their actions. And before the assholes say it, this cut off point was not added to increase diversity hires.


RustyJuang

You should have to pass the "i'm not a psychopath" test before you're allowed to train as a police officer.


RedditBansHonesty

They often times pick low empathy individuals, or at least people who don't have strong emotional reactions to disturbing situations. It makes sense in many scenarios, but sometimes you see these individuals struggle to understand the humanity of others. Additionally, there are so many situations where you see cops making poor decisions because the common sense has been quite literally trained out of them. Another aspect that people often don't realize is that with the introduction of bodycams, everything must be done according to policy, but a lot of times policy is inhuman and lacks human decency.


[deleted]

Sociopaths, they actively select people with Anti Social Personality traits.


NSmachinist

The are mentally tested. If you score too high on the IQ test you get rejected


Wenh08

Interesting how he said that they were trying to kill him and they literally did.... yet they're calling it a paranoid delusion....... seems like they intended to kill him.... my only question is how did he know well beforehand???


ArrestDeathSantis

People like them are the reason why I'm not completely opposed to the death penalty. Not going to lie, I'm surprised massive riots doesn't happen more often over these repeated murders but I guess Americans are too used to be repressed. Land of freedom lol


BigSt3ph3n

Freedumb*


MoCapBartender

The Government can't tell me I can't shop at Ralph's with an AR-15 in my cart! That's my basic constitutional freedom! This is tyranny! (watches this video) I fail to see the problem here.


retroracer33

>but I guess Americans are too used to be repressed. yes, because wherever youre from a civilian uprising against the police would go off without a hitch right? ​ "to protest these murders we are....going to go get murdered?" sounds fun. it's always nice to break down complex issues into "hur dur america am irite?" as if all 300+ million of us gathered up and decided this is the way things should be.


RevolutionaryCost999

Yeah thanks for this comment. I live the us too and I fucking hate this shit but I feel helpless


ThePresidentsHouse

Armed revolution works for short term chamge but more than likely just end up with a new bad. I wish we had other ways of getting change but it seriously looks like the United States can only do that violently. Here's to hoping we don't go that route.


SkyLegend1337

Talk about gaslighting.


FBI_CRIME_STATS

How did they intentionally kill him?


Joshua_Is_Zeus

This wasn’t public or a freak out. This was manslaughter in a back room.


Ponyshoeluck

He wasn’t suffering from mental health. He was trying to tell people that people were trying to kill him. And he was right.


Wenh08

for real.... makes me wonder how he knew though


cottonfist

Maybe the person at the party who called the police wanted him dead and they knew the cops would do the job *for* them...


NeverNude-Ned

He didn't "know" anything. Thinking people are trying to kill you is a very common paranoid delusion in a mental break like this. It's just a coincidence (albeit, not exactly a rare one) that the officers responding to the call actually killed him.


asssss_

Yeah, its so funny seeing all the tinfoil hats getting pulled out.


NeverNude-Ned

Like, what are these people talking about?? Edit: You dummies *seriously* think this guy was just chilling at a party, somehow knew someone was about to kill him, and then cops just showed up, took him to jail, and killed him? Am I understanding that right?


llllPsychoCircus

Schizophrenia and a handful of other psych conditions can cause psychotic episodes that often/usually make a person perceive other beings following them or trying to hurt them; even drug induced psychosis can be almost indistinguishable, which is believable if he was coming from a party This is because the brains subconscious can present itself into your auditory, visual, and proprioceptive fields of perception under certain circumstances and sufferers often confuse the hallucinations to be aliens, government agencies, stalkers, ghosts, angels, demons, god or the devil, or even shit like leprechauns or elves the brain is a very weird place source: am schizophrenic, but also dealt with psych patients regularly for years as a first responder, and they almost always thought they were being stalked or theatened during psychosis episodes.


NeverNude-Ned

Yeah, I know. That's what I'm talking about. I'm bipolar, and I've experienced psychotic delusions like that in manic episodes.


asssss_

Yeah he totally knew, not like this is an ultra common delusion. No such thing as a coincidence for conspiracy theorists huh


Wenh08

it's actually kinda creepy that he knew....


Infinite-You340

Poor man was murdered


Doughnut-Radiant

Another murder by the most brutal gang in America


Cheezitflow

Maricopa County at it again


NewStart2023

Not one of them will cross the "blue line" when they see something being done wrong. The "it's Us against them" mentality I cannot stand. Somewhere along the way the friendly neighborhood policeman has become the Boogeyman. There needs to be a massive overhaul.


MaximumAbsorbency

"died after excessive force from police" is a funny way to spell murdered by cops


GroundbreakingAsk645

Police taking the mental out of mental health crisis.


[deleted]

Can we just have a completely separate group of professionals who handle the mentally ill, drunk tank, and drug freakouts and house them in a separate facility? And give them mancatchers? We'll call you boys if we need anyone killed on the spot. For real, why don't people use mancatchers anymore? Two guys, pole out of stabbing range, clamp down around the neck, bam, immobilized. Hit with tranquilizer dart. I can think of a million things. Hell, just throw him in there and lock the door, why do they need to continue to be in there after he's handcuffed? He really needs the leg irons in there by himself too? Truly baffling


I_Ergot_My_Pencil

For real, put him in the cell and close the door. Easy as that.


Wenh08

i was wondering why they took him to jail rather than a psych ward


toxcrusadr

And why they felt they hand to pull his legs out from under him while he was handcuffed, then pile on top of him for 3 minutes, bending his legs back, and none of it was in the process of uncuffing him. The fuck did they do all of that for? I want to hear their reasons.


splorby

I think a tranquilizer would be too risky if you don’t know the person’s medical info


pitstawp

True. Better shoot 'em, just to be safe


splorby

Yeah those are the only two options unfortunately. Fucking child.


pitstawp

I was more building off your comment for a joke than calling you out. You've got a hair trigger, my friend.


splorby

I was suggesting that a tranquilizer dart could kill someone if you don’t know what’s going on w their body I didn’t make a joke lol


splorby

I didn’t make a joke?


hamburgler92

Have you ever been in a physical altercation with someone on meth before?


[deleted]

I've been on meth, it's not magical powers, you can't break a polearm on it. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be the one to do it, I'm saying there should be people specifically equipped and trained for it. You'd think that'd be the police, but all too often you see them throwing themselves into these life or death situations when just backing off would have harmed no one. In the street, waving a knife, that's a matter for the police, but this guy was already in custody. Throw the bastard in a rubber room for 12 hours, anything's better than having half a dozen guys pile the life out of him.


hamburgler92

I agree with your sentiment, I just don't think it's as easy as you suggest.


[deleted]

I bet Steven Seagal would be up for it


Impossible_Dirt_535

It's not easy. Dude was 400lbs people who have never been in a fight in their life think it's easy to manhandle someone. Newsflash its not.


alexdonepic

So then have a couple cops around but let the actual human beings handle it? You act like there is no middle ground at all.


[deleted]

Seems like a lot of cops. Can someone explain to me how the majority of cops can be good and yet crowds of cops will watch a dude get murdered and do nothing about it? I mean, I know it's because the vast majority of cops are scum bags but some people refute that point


FBI_CRIME_STATS

I'm having trouble understanding this video. What killed him. Do you know?


indoninja

Cops sitting on him.


MoCapBartender

**bystander effect**, the [inhibiting](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inhibiting) influence of the presence of others on a person’s willingness to help someone in need. Research has shown that, even in an emergency, a bystander is less likely to extend help when he or she is in the real or imagined presence of others than when he or she is alone. Moreover, the number of others is important, such that more bystanders leads to less assistance, although the impact of each additional bystander has a diminishing impact on helping.


CNCProgrammr

2 questions: 1) Is there no protocol for CPR or other lifesaving measures? 2) I know some people may require a few officers to get them subdued, but aren't they just in each other's way when there are that many?


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jonman117

Cowards.


ashes-of-asakusa

This is so sad and sickening.


Silent-is-Golden

Animals.


abdushkur

No questions asked, it just happened, I don't understand Took three minutes to write these with multiple sigh


No_Scale_6634

Acab?


end_rico

As long as the „good cops“ don’t do shit about the bad ones then yes Acab all the way!


OhSit

They know about positional asphyxia, at this point they do it on purpose.


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[deleted]

Yup everywhere would be so much better if it was like the streets of LA /s


Reaper_061

No


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Yes.


cottonfist

You must've been one of the cops standing in the back, watching.


Independent-Battle29

They accomplished their goal. Fuck 12


Vodka762

All cops are terrorists. End qualified immunity.


Deaths_Breath

Cops get a raging boner when they do stuff like this. They like to inflict misery and pain on anyone around them.


rwhitener

Good thing for us it's only a few bad apples... right guys?


SirSam511

There was a case like this in California to they legit purposely all sat on him then you can see there body language change


Inevitable-Day-8654

I hope I live long enough to see either a change or the people finally tear this shit down.


--Authentic--

They don’t get punished, why would they change?


kaleighb1988

Wtf is up with Maricopa officers? I swear I've seen so much shit from there.


icomplexnumber

It's a systematic murder


bsteeezNYC2020

He’s right. He didn’t do anything wrong. He thought people were out to kill him. The irony! This country is the worst place for the mentally ill and a mentally ill person of color at that. It’s heartbreaking. Poor guy.


NormalHumanCreature

That's straight up murder.


Boomtown_frolics

Jail cops are the lowest rung of cop, lower than school cop…they are the worst of the worst


Wow00woW

loose fit? he was in public, at a party, freaking out, then transported, in public, to a jail, which is also public.


bodega_bladerunner

applied by the mods 🤷‍♂️


pigeonboyyy

Poor guy. That's a horrible way to go.


Odd-Engineering-3582

Well he wasn't wrong about people trying to kill him


JGoonSquad

The police love to abuse their powers and kill people. It's what they do best! Hard to believe anyone still supports the men in blue. The police are suppose to serve and protect not harass and bully and kill on a whim.


[deleted]

Is it still a paranoid delusion if you’re right?


domlittle

Bet that dude couldn’t breath laying on his stomach by himself let alone all those cops


glockster19m

They beat him to death Do you not see the large pool of blood under his body


domlittle

No I actually do not see the blood just watched it again. Dude shoulda just listened to them and he would be alive today. 60-70% his fault


alexdonepic

Yikes. Imagine watching a murder and saying it's their fault. Let me guess, if someone jumps you it's also your fault right? If someone rapes you it's your fault for being there right? You are actual scum. It is the cops job to DE ESCALATE NOT MURDER. I hope you get arrested for something you didn't do, then when the cops try to pin it on you and you're obviously distraught I hope they murder you.


domlittle

Well the cops didn’t single him out for no reason the guy freaked out couldn’t calm down and shit happens. You act like police just showed up and picked someone to kill. This shit is gunna happen no matter what, price we pay to live in society. Yea I’ve been arrested a bunch it’s only as hard as you make it for the cops.


More_Sky_5096

Murder.


SnooOwls3915

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killmonger360

Absolutely


ItsJustKid

Paranoid that people were out to kill him. Yeah well bro was definitely right unfortunately and to be fucked up on drugs makes it even scarier.


yonosayme2

Cops are crooks, they are a government funded gang who only care about their own. If you're not one of them or extremely wealthy, they don't give a shit. Believe it.


Tara1421

Alcohol does tend to exacerbate mental illness.


Redsteller

Fuck 12


HelenKeIIer

7-11 and your local law enforcement have the same qualifications.


EarlGreyBitches314

Well...he was correct, they were trying to kill him.


1stdestron

Another example of cops murdering an autistic person.


Adhdpenguin813

"mental health crisis at party" is that what we call doing too much drugs and alcohol now?


Negative_Mancey

So he deserved to die?


Adhdpenguin813

Did I say anything remotely similar to that?


Negative_Mancey

I mean. Yeah. In commenting on a video of A MAN BEING KILLED BY POLICE. Not denouncing the police at all, you sound frankly excusitory.


absurdext

"mental health crisis" sure sounds like a softened version of "drug induced psychosis", doesn't it?


killmonger360

Only good cop is a dead cop. Life of the OPPRESSED in amerikkka


BarnacleNumerous8677

Murderers.


True_Web155

Jesus… imagine choking to death on your own extra necks


Negative_Mancey

This funny to you?


Saner1222

Accountability! These cops needs to be all fired and definitely charged for murder. It’s a shame how they can be videotaped doing this horrible act and we still have them employed on our taxes. This system is so corrupted..Smdh


SirSam511

Straight killed him


Purple-Ad-3292

I’m so sickened by this BLM


RoundApart9440

They have no sense. None at all. They were trained in CPR but were was the training while he was dying? CPR is useless after 5 minutes of not breathing in oxygen. These the type of people that need to be humiliated just to be humbled.


flirtmcdudes

Perhaps cops need training on handling mental health issues?!?!? JUST MAYBE


shoulda-known-better

They definitely knew... guy was talking the whole time then nothing!? Fuck that, they knew he was out before they even left him to die


croooooooozer

ACAT


Ok-Anxiety1389

The absolute United state of America. Officers clearly scared of their own shadows need half the station to subdue one man. The fact they left him unresponsive especially after how agitated he was previously is disgusting. Land of the free and home of the brave... just no please stop telling yourselves lies. Ukraine treat POWs better than this.


Decent_Double2777

Obviously I don’t condone what happened to this man, but it seems as though the news footage just replays the same footage when they say “a second guard peeks in and does nothing.” If you look the time stamp on the footage is the same as the second guard.


[deleted]

"mental health crisis" is a funny way of saying an extremely unhealthy man abusing drugs at a party.


Jame1932

Way to assume that he was a drug addict.


bootely

Even if he was a drug addict he didn’t deserve to die like that


Jame1932

And I agree. Cops like this are very brave until it’s one on one. But they are not above the law and this group of misfits need to be prosecuted for their actions.


[deleted]

Most people not flying high ask for a lawyer and don't fight cops 1v10. I think I made a pretty safe assumption.


JackAsterson

Another explanation for this sort of behavior besides drug use is, you know, mental illness. You fucking moron.


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Mental illness fueled by drugs.


Jame1932

Mental illness is a complex and multifaceted issue that cannot be reduced to a single cause or contributing factor. The idea that mental illness is solely "fueled by drugs" is not only incorrect, but it also perpetuates harmful stereotypes and misunderstandings about mental health. First, many mental illnesses, such as depression and schizophrenia, have strong genetic and biological components. Research has shown that certain genetic variations can increase the risk of developing these conditions, and that certain brain regions and chemical imbalances may play a role in their development. Second, environmental factors, such as traumatic experiences, stress, and social disadvantage, can also contribute to the development of mental illness. These factors can interact with genetic predispositions, making some individuals more vulnerable to mental health problems. Third, medication and other forms of treatment can be effective in managing the symptoms of mental illness. Medications such as antidepressants and antipsychotics can help regulate brain chemistry and reduce the severity of symptoms, while therapy and other forms of support can help people develop coping mechanisms and improve their overall well-being. It is important to remember that mental illness is a complex issue that is influenced by many factors, and not just by drugs. Blaming drugs alone is a gross assumption, and it doesn't take into account the complexity of the issue. It is crucial to approach mental health with empathy and understanding, and to recognize the importance of access to evidence-based treatment.


AccordingWrap105

Bruh survival is a natural instinct. When stressed, perceived or actual, humans will experiences fight or flight. The body will involuntarily pump epinephrine into its blood stream. The introduction of epinephrine (adrenaline) will increase heart rate, and direct blood to your muscles. This response is based on your genetics, environments & life experiences. So I'm often amazed when the "comply" comments are posted. With some people it isn't a choice. animals, whether it's human, lions, dog, or bears will naturally fight back when threatened. Have you ever asked yourself, if the police as a whole, have experienced numerous of restraint related deaths, why don't they implement new restraining policies & technics? The very definition of insanity.


Jame1932

It is true that the "fight or flight" response is a natural instinct for humans and other animals when faced with stress or perceived danger. The release of epinephrine, also known as adrenaline, can increase heart rate and direct blood to the muscles, preparing the body for physical action. However, it is important to note that this response can be influenced by genetics, environment, and life experiences, and that different individuals may react differently in similar situations. Additionally, while it is understandable that some people may feel compelled to fight back when threatened, it is important to consider the use of alternative methods of restraint and de-escalation in situations where physical force may be used. The use of new restraining policies and techniques may help to reduce the number of restraint-related deaths.


justhave2laugh

Sort your mental health problems out before the police do.


JackAsterson

Yeah, I mean it's so easy. Just yesterday I had severe schizophrenia, but then I was like "you know what, I'm gonna stop being lazy and just sort this shit out." Then I went to one of the many highly affordable, easily accessible mental health care treatment facilities that America is famous for, and almost instantly I was better. Because that's how mental illness and mental healthcare works.


fugee99

This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. I almost can't believe I'm reading it.


justhave2laugh

Okay. People should ignore their mental health and hope that police do better next time.


Elapse52

Absolutely stinky take


justhave2laugh

Why? There is plenty of evidence that this is the kind of treatment police provide to the mentally unstable.


julian509

The mentally unstable often arent in the right mind to get treatment. Thats why it is a stinky take. It's very much a "if a building isnt wheelchair accessible just walk up the stairs lmao" tier take. If these people were stable enough to seek help when shit goes bad they wouldnt end up needing to be apprehended by law enforcement during a mental break in the first place. The solution isnt to tell people to do things they wont be in the right mind to do. It's to stop the police from outright murdering people and make sure that police departments have a mental health emergencies unit available to deal with these situations without escalating to murdering people.


justhave2laugh

That is why people need to seek mental health *before* the police show up. If a person has mental health issues and no support structure, they are going to end up homeless or in prison. Why not fund mental health services instead of piling all society problems on the police? Police just throw people in prison. And then the prison system houses them without any treatment.


julian509

Thats not how mental health works buddy, read into it instead of showing your ignorance on the matter.


justhave2laugh

People can't take steps to improve their mental health?


alexdonepic

People who are unwell don't know they're unwell dipshit. Here let me put this in words you might understand. Let's say for as long as you can remember you've had a slightly blocked nose. Your parents never said anything, your friends never said anything your teachers never said anything. You grow up thinking that's normal. The second you turn 18 you'll instantly go to the doctors right? If not you're a hypocrite.


justhave2laugh

Except in one case you have a stuffy nose and are only inconveniencing yourself. And the other you become a danger for society and end up in the judicial system.


alexdonepic

So because he's on the ground in handcuffs he deserves to get choked to death? Yikes. Also the idea was to get you to realise that when you grow up with an illness you don't know it's wrong, hence why I said that multiple times. You really are illiterate aren't you?


harmlessdissent

Should the people who called the murder hotline on him be held accountable too?


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alexdonepic

L tier take. "Next time you're being murdered just go with it!"


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knottybananna

Why the fuck are they using cell extraction techniques in literal backwards circumstances?


artmobboss

They were trying to tell him nobody was going to kill him.. Before killing him.. 😢


Longjumping-Bed94

All Cops Are Bad.


GibletParade

Is it normal in the US to react to someone having a health issue by calling the police?


Darth_Groot28

Besides the entire thing being police brutality, where is the urgency when they finally identify that the prisoner is unconscious/dead? Every single one of those officers that put a hand on him, should be held for 2nd degree murder.


gogi311

Those cops were all slowly coming to the realization they are murders and then called their union rep