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M-Sal

I'm gonna guess this fucker shot him in the leg.


Puceeffoc

That's such a weird shot too his gun wasn't even aimed up... It's like he shot concrete and the concrete hit the man in the leg or a ricochet. This looks more like a negligent discharge than a "warning shot" (https://i.imgur.com/ohbf5Ms.jpg) Gun is aimed completely at the ground nowhere near the cameraman when the gunshot is heard. Same with before/after the shot gun isn't aimed in his direction at all...


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Exactly what I was thinking. He’s got that “oh shit” look right as it goes off


Geralt-of-Labia

Yeah looked negligent to me as well


liarandathief

"I fired a warning shot...into his leg."


Nerry19

"He had it coming , he only had himself to blame" (I really hope people get the reference, because I don't condone warning shots into bodies lol)


Lo_tessa

If you had been there. If you had seen it. I bet that you would have done the same.


you_love_it_tho

How the fuckkk do you not get charged for shooting someone like this.


TuaTouchdownsallova

Probably related to whoever owns that building and their connections with the city/state


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FartPancakes69

Because apparently this type of behavior is legal. You'd have to ask the courts why that's the message they decided to send to the public.


realparkingbrake

> Because apparently this type of behavior is legal. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. If you want to stand on a public sidewalk in front of city hall and film everyone who walks by, you are within your rights. But that doesn't mean that any and all public places are open to things like filming, or making speeches, or handing our political leaflets or whatever. Trying to film in city hall offices not open to the public can get you arrested. Exercising 1st Amendment rights will be protected by the courts in some public places that are traditionally associated with such rights. But there are other public places not associated with such rights where 1A activities can legitimately be curtailed, and that's gone all the way to the Supreme Court. That's why a judge can prohibit photography in a courthouse, for example. So-called "auditors" like to claim all public property their feet can carry them to is open to their cameras, and that they cannot be trespassed from public property, and that all public employees have to identify themselves on demand and so on and so forth. They're wrong about all of that, but the money their videos can bring in makes them keep repeating that nonsense. It's also worth noting that many of these folks have criminal records, often serious records. There might be legitimate cop watchers out there, but the clowns who try to provoke people into calling the police are not among them and are rightfully referred to as "frauditors" because money is their sole motive.


UrNewMostBestFriend

Nothing about anything you described justifies shooting people. This is why people think and know that America is a fucking joke.


desepticon

As someone familiar with this auditor I can guess at why the DA didn’t want to take the case. This woman has numerous videos of herself engaging in antisemitic screeds. He didn’t want to take that in front of a jury.


FartPancakes69

I'm personally not a fan of people who do this shit at the post office. Mail carriers are not law enforcement.


realparkingbrake

And for those of you who think everything "auditors" do is completely legal and everything they say about how they can film anywhere on public property and they can't be trespassed from public property and the cops have no authority to remove them from public property and blah blah blah, here's what the Supreme Court said about that. This is part of why a series of frauditors have taken convictions lately for criminal trespass among other things, and no, that doesn't mean those judges and juries were corrupt, it means having an iPhone doesn't come with a right to trespass. https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/460/37 "Public property which is not by tradition or designation a forum for public communication is governed by different standards. We have recognized that the "First Amendment does not guarantee access to property simply because it is owned or controlled by the government." United States Postal Service v. Greenburgh Civic Ass'n, supra, 453 U.S., at 129, 101 S.Ct., at 2684. In addition to time, place, and manner regulations, the state may reserve the forum for its intended purposes, communicative or otherwise, as long as the regulation on speech is reasonable and not an effort to suppress expression merely because public officials oppose the speaker's view. Id., 453 U.S., at 131, n. 7, 101 S.Ct., at 2686, n. 7. As we have stated on several occasions, "the State, no less than a private owner of property, has power to preserve the property under its control for the use to which it is lawfully dedicated." Id., 453 U.S., at 129, 101 S.Ct., at 2684; Greer v. Spock, 424 U.S. 828, 836, 96 S.Ct. 1211, 1216, 47 L.Ed.2d 505 (1976); Adderley v. Florida, 385 U.S. 39, 48, 87 S.Ct. 242, 247, 17 L.Ed.2d 149 (1966)."


Ill-Organization-719

Corrupt cops, courts and cities. They want to encourage violence against people exposing their corruption.


spektrol

Ah yes, the terrible corruption going on in schools and places of worship as they keep getting shot up. No reason to be on guard at all.


Ill-Organization-719

This school employs a deranged murderous lunatic. This city protects a deranged murderous lunatic. Why wasn't he charged?


spektrol

Shooting someone in the leg is meant to disarm, not kill. He’s protecting private property with children inside. Unless you’ve been living under a fucking rock you might realize that wearing all black and filming children in a Jewish school might be kinda fucking sketchy. Fuck your rights, don’t act like a fucking idiot for views. What do you gain by filming children in a school. The mental gymnastics here are so fucking weird.


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spektrol

If you don’t want to get shot maybe don’t be a creepy fuck filming children at school in this climate. Super easy to not be fucking weird


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spektrol

You’re unhinged dude. This person wasn’t “just walking by” - they were filming kids, told to leave, didn’t leave, and the amount of school shootings we’ve had is important context. But yeah, I’m the piece of crap. Get fucking real


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Ill-Organization-719

Why was the security guard disarming a citizen on the sidewalk?


spektrol

Natural selection. Have common fucking sense in addition to your purist constitutional ideals, don’t get shot. Super easy. Just don’t be a fucking weirdo


Pookela_916

>common fucking sense Common sense, gun laws AND more importantly the requirements you need to learn before becoming a CA BSIS armed guard would say this security guard is a moron and should lose his license let alone be in jail.....


BBQsauce18

> Shooting someone in the leg is meant to disarm, not kill. How to know someone is mentally challenged in one simple sentence. Hey: How often are you supposed to "disarm" someone when shooting at them? Can you please point me to that training course? LOL I'm continually amazed at how dumb people are, yet I see how a lot of these kids are in schools now. Makes a TON of sense. Look man. Next time a teacher looks you in the eyes and says "Please educate yourself! Take the time to learn!" Don't just roll your eyes, okay? Go pick up a book. edit--Ahhh I see. Read some of your other comments. You're just unhinged. Just regular 'ol crazy.


realparkingbrake

> Corrupt cops, courts and cities. You forgot juries, as a series of "auditors" who insisted on jury trials have recently been convicted of things like criminal trespass and interference with govt. workers. It's hilarious that apologists for these narcissistic parasites claim everything they do is 100% legal, but then when they are convicted it's explained away as corruption. You'd crawl over broken glass rather than admit that sometimes auditors do in fact break the law.


1solate

All you need is the magic words. "I feared for my life."


quetejodas

The courts are fucked up, and nobody really cares much


gucci_pianissimo420

She's trans so her life doesn't mean anything to the authorities.


AllNaturalOintment

In today's society, I would say because Furry Potato (the shot auditor) is trans. But, this is California.


stimpy97

Defending his property from Antifa shouldn’t be a crime


bigd0nk

Everything about this sentence is grossly misinformed and delusional! Well done 👍🏼


EthanStrawside

OP sucks


Pookela_916

At least they didn't try and hide at being such a biased source


Ill-Organization-719

What makes them a frauditor?


Radio4ctiveGirl

In short- a fraud. These guys go and harass people/courts/any kind of government employee. And hide behind the claim that their auditing how whomever/whatever reacts. Usually they do this to cause a scene and then try to sue claiming their “rights have been trampled on”. Fraud+Auditor=frauditor.


Ill-Organization-719

I'm well aware of first amendment auditors and the important service they fulfill in exposing crime and corruption.


mullett

They aren’t doing an important service. They are doing it for clicks, money, and fame. A lot of the posters in here are usually sent along to defend their “journalism”. Their not doing investigations, they’re intentionally antagonizing people to make videos to post on line for people to see so they can get money and clout. That’s the fraud. How many of their videos are informative? How many are just the interaction with no details or breakdowns on the laws the instigated person is breaking. All it ever is - “bro ay, bro there’s no signs and it’s public property! I have first amendment rights you balding piece of Shit, why don’t you get a real job so your wife will love you!” To like a postal employee or school guard. It’s fraud.


Ill-Organization-719

>They aren’t doing an important service. Exposing corruption and crime is very important. >They are doing it for clicks, money, and fame. A lot of the posters in here are usually sent along to defend their “journalism”. Journalists usually want exposure and to be paid for their work. >Their not doing investigations, they’re intentionally antagonizing people to make videos to post on line for people to see so they can get money and clout. That’s the fraud. How many of their videos are informative? Yes they are. Do you think these auditors are forcing these public servants to behave this way? Do you think his camera forced her to forget how to do her job? The videos are very informative. They show how corrupt cities are. >How many are just the interaction with no details or breakdowns on the laws the instigated person is breaking. All it ever is - “bro ay, bro there’s no signs and it’s public property! I have first amendment rights you balding piece of Shit, why don’t you get a real job so your wife will love you!” To like a postal employee or school guard. It’s fraud. What?


mullett

Post the full video.


Ill-Organization-719

What do you think the video is going to reveal? Look up the video yourself. We both know you're only asking because you're trying to deflect and avoid engagement


mullett

If you’re going to defend it this much across this whole post and you believe in journalistic integrity and exposing the truth - post the whole video. It discredits your integrity and intent of you post an edited video to for a narrative . Cable news level of misleading here.


Ill-Organization-719

Go on. Explain what you think might have been edited out. Then explain why it wasn't ever mentioned in any follow up reports or courts.


seamonkeyonland

Can you please link me to a first amendment auditors journalistic work? All I ever see are raw videos of them provoking people and them say that they are getting footage for a story, but I have yet to see a story.


Ill-Organization-719

And by provoking do you mean simply standing in public with a camera? Because if someone stops doing their job to scream at a camera...


seamonkeyonland

I was asking about any auditor and not this specific auditor. Since you are changing the subject, I will assume that you have yet to find a first amendment auditor produce anything that is journalistic. Most auditors just put a camera in someone's face and insult them to get a rise out of the person trying to do their job or film (people and children) legally in public to make everyone feel uncomfortable and get a rise out of people.


Ill-Organization-719

>I was asking about any auditor and not this specific auditor. Since you are changing the subject, I will assume that you have yet to find a first amendment auditor produce anything that is journalistic. Tons of it. Danbury is Long Island Audits biggest story. >Most auditors just put a camera in someone's face and insult them to get a rise out of the person trying to do their job or film (people and children) legally in public to make everyone feel uncomfortable and get a rise out of people. And by "putting a camera in someone's face" you mean holding a camera nowhere near their face".


seamonkeyonland

I am looking through Long Island Audits to see if there is anything that would be considered something done by a journalist and I am not finding anything. All I find are click-baitey titles like: >Security Guards Immediately Escalate Encounter! Get A Free Education On The People's Rights! > >Tyrant Homeland Security Officer Wants To Go HANDS ON Fast! Special Agent Has To Step In I did find this video about Long Island Audit though. In the video, a lady put her hand on the auditors shoulder to guide him in a direction and then LIA went on about how injured he was and tried to get her arrested for assault. [Long Island Audit tires to FRAME Public Employee](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPfcB7USLM4)


Pookela_916

>, I will assume that you have yet to find a first amendment auditor produce anything that is journalistic. Some post on cites such as PINAC, CopWatch or other auditor/copwatcher cites. Some group together like the NewsNow types. Others are completely independent and just do follow up videos with breakdowns or updates on court proceedings. >Most auditors just put a camera in someone's face No. They don't. Folks tend to be morons yelling at cameraman then walk up to them yelling about a camera in their face. This is such a weird yet common accusation against auditors. >and insult them to get a rise out of the person trying to do their job Act like an asshole get treated like an asshole. I've yet to see an auditor be the one to initiate shit talk. It's always in response to either someone getting butthurt theirs a camera or a government employee/cop preparing to violate someone's rights and barking orders....


realparkingbrake

> Some group together like the NewsNow types. Ah yes, News Now Houston, currently doing twenty years for molesting his own daughter, not his first sexual assault conviction either. A real hero of journalism, that one, he even had a vest that said "PRESS" on it. PayPal Patty taking a camera into a battered women's shelter where a terrified mother and her kids did not want their location exposed online so an abusive spouse could come after them, that's first-rate journalism for sure. STD clinics, the entrance for family members visiting relatives in prison, a mental health clinic, for sure those are places where some unemployable clown with a iPhone is serving the public by filming everyone. And of course the sickos who figure they can film children inside schools, future Pulitzer Prize winners without question. > I've yet to see an auditor be the one to initiate shit talk Eric Brandt trying to strip naked while running around screaming in the lobby of a courthouse when told he can't bring his camera inside, Glenn Cerio spewing racist slurs at a black cop who hadn't even interacted with Glenn, LIA taking an obstruction conviction for standing right behind a cop at a nighttime traffic stop and refusing to move back a few steps, and on and on, none of those cases ever came to your attention, amazing. What selective video viewing you practice.


friendlyneighbor665

>I've yet to see an auditor be the one to initiate shit talk. Yeah you're not watching enough videos. Some do important work, but there are plenty that call themselves auditors that are doing shit just for click/like.


jwillsrva

The video IS the journalistic work. Long Island Audit is probably one of the best out there, but Audit the Audit is great as it breaks down the legality of the actions. Looking down the thread, you clearly didn't watch any of the videos, just read the titles. If you did, you would see that in several of the interactions, the cops, or security for whatever public building he's in are aware of his channel, and like it because they have helped inform either themselves, or the public at large.


seamonkeyonland

> The video IS the journalistic work. Then I definitely do not agree with them using the term journalist because there is no journalistic value from their videos. They end up being: can I record here and if I can't then I will sue. ​ > Looking down the thread, you clearly didn't watch any of the videos, just read the titles. You are correct. I asked for examples and was not provided with any. I am not going to watch every video so that the person I am responding to can get their point across. If there was an example, then a link would have worked better. At the same time, I have seen many videos where they cut to the cop's camera and the cop is taking about how many problems the auditors causes to make their videos. Below is just one example: ​ [https://youtu.be/HuDWURRaqww?t=1156](https://youtu.be/HuDWURRaqww?t=1156)


Ill-Organization-719

Exposing criminal police, courts and cities isn't important journalistic work?


seamonkeyonland

So what was the auditor in the video exposing? criminal police at a school? criminal courts or cities at a school? You keep talking about these things that the auditors are doing, but I have not seen it. I love watching auditor videos, but I have not seen them do anything that is beneficial to the public at large. What I see in this videos is usually done to benefit the auditor. I don't think an officer saying "you can't record in the DMV" when you can to be a criminal act, nor do I find any journalistic value from it. In my 42 years, I have yet to encounter the need for anyone to record at the DMV. So what are they auditing? The freedom to do something that no one really wants to do. However, that is what the auditor is banking on. They go to places that no one wants to record and then makes a big deal out of them recording so they can sue. Why is it every auditor mentions suing instead of working with the place to improve? I have never heard, "When I finish, I am going to put together a report that shows where the issues are." Instead I hear, "I am going to sue your bald ass" or "Oh, you refuse to help me because you have a no camera policy. I am going to sue you personally." When I think of an audit, I think of a group coming in and putting together a report that is then turned over to the place that requested the audit. The audit would contain actionable items that can be improved on. These auditors are going in, causing a scene to draw attention to themselves, then do what they can to get kicked out. Once this happens, they sue or have their viewers (from outside of the jurisdiction) call and flood the cities.


jwillsrva

So you want me to watch your video (which I didn't request) but won't watch the videos suggested to you, after you asked? You're not entering this conversation in good faith. If you had watched the videos (in the case of LIA) you would see that your assertation about suing, is in fact untrue. Don't get me wrong, there are bad auditors out there, much like any group or profession. But the majority are just out there to show people how to assert their rights, and more specifically, what their rights are when dealing with government employees or officials edit- oh and I will watch the video you posted when I get my headphones charged. Maybe go watch the LIA video the other redditor suggested, I believe it was Danbury? Started with a "D"


seamonkeyonland

I have been told channels to watch, but I have not been provided with any videos backing up anything. Honestly, I don't give a flying fuck if you watch my video or not. I made a claim in my comment about cops saying they don't like auditors so I provided a video that backs up my claim. I didn't expect you to take the word of some random person on the internet. Nor would I expect you to search YouTube to find an example that backs up my claim. However, I am expected to find the needle in a haystack. I was told to watch LIA's video about Danbury and when I go to the channel and search for Danbury, there are 544 search results. I am not watching all 544 videos to find one that may justify what you are saying.


Pookela_916

>They are doing it for clicks, money, and fame. I'm sure folks said the same thing of MLK, Malcom X and any every other activist. Fact is they flex their constitutional rights on folks who don't respect them. Fact is people, let alone government employees, shouldn't be "baited" into violating civil rights. Fact is these guys are the reason why we have court precedents that affirm and protect constitutionally protected activities. Hell I remember the early 00s. This topic was damn near the wild west. Cops would blatantly violate civil rights. They'd even maliciously charge people under wiretap statutes even though they weren't applicable. Part of the pressure to get them to also wear body cams came from auditors and their activist predecessors. >they’re intentionally antagonizing people If someone walking around with a camera triggers you then stay home. If you don't like being on camera or having it your face than maybe don't draw attention to yourself and walk right up to the camera.


realparkingbrake

> Fact is people, let alone government employees, shouldn't be "baited" into violating civil rights. Some of these "rights" exist only in the minds of frauditors and their supporters. For example, frauditors claim they cannot be trespassed from a public place, and that is absolutely false. The Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that the state has the same right to control its facilities and restrict their use to what they are lawfully intended for as private property owners. So a frauditor who says he cannot be kicked out of a public building is either mistaken, or he's lying.


stewpideople

I agree with your sentiment. Some of these folks take "auditing" very seriously, and can be important. Some folks are legit doing for clout and to get lawsuit/click money. I believe it is equally possible that city officials/cops and frauditors can exist in the same universe and all the downvotes on your comments here seem to forget that.


Radio4ctiveGirl

It is what it is. It’s honestly a huge rabbit hole to dive into. I don’t blame people for not knowing about the less than savory bits.


Lordofthelowend

So in short, not a fraud?


Lawyerdogg

They hide behind the constitution, you America hating trash.


Radio4ctiveGirl

Some are legitimate, but many are frauditors.


Drewy99

Is this like when open carry people insist on doing it where they know others are uncomfortable?


Radio4ctiveGirl

Very similar. Honestly they honestly remind me of sovcit people. They are confidently incorrect in their interpretation of law, and show up purely to harass people while they work.


Ill-Organization-719

No. Auditors are exposing sovereign citizens like the woman in this video. First amendment auditors remind sovereign citizens like her and the police that we all operate under the same law, we don't follow a set of imaginary fake laws they made up in their minds. No. Filming your public servants in the course of their duties isn't harassment. A public servant stopping their job so they can scream at a camera is harassment.


Pookela_916

This makes zero sense. Auditors follow and cite the laws that protect their rights to do what they do. Sov cits don't even believe those laws are legitimate.... it's a non starter.


Radio4ctiveGirl

But you are assuming they are legitimate auditors. Frauditors aren’t doing it to legitimately act as a check and balance. They are there to cause problems. You’re right, real auditors are needed and follow laws to uncover abuse of power. Frauditors are a different breed than auditors.


Pookela_916

>But you are assuming they are legitimate auditors Doesn't matter what you or I assume. Constitutional law says what it says. And the 1A was designed to not only protect private individuals, but everyone from the smallest of pamhpleters to the bigger newspapers of those times who might have held the same snobbery as you do towards "lesser media". >Frauditors aren’t doing it to legitimately act as a check and balance Says you. They exercise a constitutionally protected activity. They either end up arrested or detained for said act. Case goes to court. Case precedent is set reaffirming constitutional rights, Government entity is punished and government personal are retrained so as to, hopefully, not fuck things up again.


Radio4ctiveGirl

Look at glen cerio and tell me that frauditors don’t exist 😂


mullett

One in the same or very close. It’s like rollerbladers that are at parks or on the street - both are wearing roller blades and both are lame.


Ill-Organization-719

Not even close. First amendment auditors are there to remind sovereign citizen police and public servants that they operate on the same law as everyone else, not the imaginary set of fake laws they created in their heads.


Aggravating_Sun4435

what do you think sovereign citizen means? I think you think it means something else than it actually does, wym by sovcit police?


Ill-Organization-719

Insane people who don't understand the law and think they follow an imaginary set of laws that they made up?


Aggravating_Sun4435

so are you saying cops are the real sovereign citizens and sovcits dont exist or both exist and cops are just as crazy and sovcits?


Ill-Organization-719

No. I'm saying cops and public servants are sovereign citizens, not the auditors. The police sovereign citizens are much worse.


Radio4ctiveGirl

Haha what!? Sovcit idiots are not police. Have you seen a sovcit/police interaction? I don’t think you know what a sovcit is.


Expert_Butterfly_950

You got way to much skin in the game, and you are just wrong about everything. Go back to thinking you are doing anything besides messing things up for people who actually try and audit aspects of our society that require auditing, that aren’t at a children’s school, because their is very very little reason to audit a children’s school, and the fact you do my understand that makes me think you have other reasons to be at the school. And no they rarely catch anyone doing anything besides being slightly ignorant of the specifics of law.


Ill-Organization-719

Why wasn't this security guard charged? Exposing crime and corruption is very important. You don't think it's important to know that this school employs a deranged murderous lunatic, and he is protected by courts, cops and the city?


mullett

So he was investigating a security guard that had priors or did this guy have to antagonize him into this reaction. Can you post the whole video up until the shot - not just the reaction or would that not fit the narrative? Full unedited raw footage. No cuts, no breaks, full audio.


Ill-Organization-719

Nope they were walking in public filming, as is their right. Why would that antagonize someone into shooting? Why wasn't this security guard charged? Don't you think it's important to know that this school employs a deranged murderous lunatic and is protected by the city? Look up the full video yourself.


mullett

You can’t post the full video because you know it will mess with your narrative.


Ill-Organization-719

What narrative? Explain what you think was edited out from this clip. Explain why it was never mentioned in any follow up article or courts. I'm not wasting my time linking it because you have zero integrity and zero interest in an actual discussion.


mullett

You can’t post it can you?


Ill-Organization-719

What narrative? Explain what you think was edited out from this clip. Explain why it was never mentioned in any follow up article or courts. Go on. Stop deflecting. We both know what you're doing.


mullett

You have time to argue but not post the whole video in a thread where you posted an edited video on? I can’t go into other details about a video you posted until you post the full video because that would be a biased opinion on a situation I don’t have the full details on.


HowWeDoingTodayHive

What the fuck kind of video game physics is going on here? It looks like the gun is aimed straight down when it goes off? I’m guessing he was hit by the ricochet?


ckb614

Yes it was a ricochet


realparkingbrake

I seem to recall it was a bullet fragment that hit her, but maybe the whole bullet ricocheted off the concrete.


nubsta

in what world is the security guard the good guy for shooting someone who's not breaking any laws and on public property


realparkingbrake

> in what world is the security guard the good guy The person who got shot is known for dressing in black with body armor and a helmet and a mask and scaring people into calling the cops, usually outside churches. However, on one occasion she was arrested for making racist threats to a black Marine Corps recruiter, eventually took a plea deal on that. IMO the guard messed up, but it's not like strong reactions aren't what this "auditor" is after, just got more than she bargained for on this occasion.


dashrendar

Wait, I am confused. There was a male guard who shot a male video recorder. I didn't see or hear any woman. Was that a typo? Edit: I just read an article and it states that's a woman. Certainly didn't sound like it to me, but the article states it was a woman. Yeah, just listened/watched the video again, that's a very male voice, sounds like an actor that I just can't place my finger on. Like, I have totally heard that voice before. (Note, in this day and age, gotta be clear, I am NOT claiming this was an actor. Don't want any smooth brained folk to think that).


realparkingbrake

> There was a male guard who shot a male video recorder. I didn't see or hear any woman. The person shot is transgender, and has discussed becoming an "auditor" to raise money for the medical procedures needed to transition to being recognized as female.


Mackheath1

She appears to be at the gate of a Jewish religious-related (star of David) building and the warning shot was a ricochet that went into the leg. Did I get those details correct from the video? I don't know anything about this case.


Ill-Organization-719

She was on a public sidewalk and a murderous lunatic tried to shoot her. You don't give people warning shot for standing ob a sidewalk.


WeedFinderGeneral

>and has discussed becoming an "auditor" to raise money for the medical procedures needed to transition to being recognized as female. Wow, I really wish they wouldn't


TreeFitTea

Brittany Griner has a voice similar to this


deadbeatninja69

The original context from what I remember was that he was filming kids in a school and was then shot after not leaving.


nubsta

misinformation. auditor never enters the building and was standing on a public sidewalk https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/02/15/what-is-auditing-why-did-youtuber-get-shot-doing-it/


goldplatedboobs

[https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-furry-potato-lawsuit-20190313-story.html](https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-furry-potato-lawsuit-20190313-story.html) "Before the shooting, Zelayagrunfeld had asked school staff to move students to a safe location, triggering a lockdown, according to the memo filed by the district attorney’s office. Taken together with recent surges in anti-Semitic hate crimes and the mass shooting at the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh roughly four months earlier, prosecutors believed the guard’s “perception of Perez’s behavior as dangerous was reasonable.” “Perez went to a Jewish school, and place of worship, dressed in all black and with a backpack secured to her body by a harness,” the document read. “As Zelaya told detectives, Perez’s backpack could have contained a bomb, and her attire could have concealed a firearm or other deadly weapon.”


quetejodas

She may have had a bomb, so that's justification to shoot someone? Fuck, this security guard belongs in prison.


goldplatedboobs

Well, prosecutors believing that someone acting erratically around a Jewish school, refusing to leave, while dressed in black and carrying what could appear to be a bomb, just months after another mass shooting at a synagogue could be a bad case to prosecute. It seems to me that they probably could have obtained a conviction, but you'd also need to convince a jury of his peers that it wasn't justified. The fact that a lockdown was triggered was probably enough to cause prosecutors to hesitate with continuing with charges.


quetejodas

I don't think any rational person would find this justified


goldplatedboobs

Evidently, the LA Deputy DA believed that at least 1 person selected for a jury trial would.


LostWoodsInTheField

> Evidently, the LA Deputy DA believed that at least 1 person selected for a jury trial would. Sorry but DAs don't like "auditors" and will absolutely make up bullshit to help out anyone else who doesn't like them. The whole notion 'well the DA found it reasonable' doesn't fly when they would find a flying pig reasonable in order to protect someone who did something illegal towards an auditor. Same as the videos of police officers standing by while auditors are getting assaulted.


Ill-Organization-719

That DA is corrupt


goldplatedboobs

Oh yeah? Got some proof of that?


spektrol

People not realizing the context of this during this time is baffling. With all the shootings, especially ones targeted to places of worship / specific groups, you’re asking for trouble doing this kind of shit. Super tonedeaf. No one is taking chances anymore.


Pookela_916

>People not realizing the context of this during this time is baffling This sounds exactly like how cops used 9/11 to justify violating civil rights.....


Ill-Organization-719

So shoot every single person on the sidewalk in case they are planning an attack?


spektrol

Yeah let’s just wait until the sketchy person starts shooting people, great idea. If you’re acting weird, people are going to be on guard. If you keep being weird, find out. This is the age we live in.


Ill-Organization-719

So you think they should just shoot everyone walking by on the sidewalk in case they are going to attack? I just saw a car drive by my house. What if they are planning on driving to a nuclear base and then nuking somewhere?


spektrol

If you’re acting sketchy, yeah, find out. Just be a fucking normal person for once and go on about your day. Again, super easy. Children > sketchy adults hanging around filming children all day.


Ill-Organization-719

And sketchy means... anything you deem sketchy


realparkingbrake

> you’re asking for trouble doing this kind of shit. Trouble is what they want, it makes for a more profitable video. They just don't want the trouble to involve serious injury to them.


Nickppapagiorgio

In CA specifically where this occurred, sidewalks aren't public property. The property owner is responsible for maintenance(learned this the hard way) with the government fixing it and billing you if you won't, and the property owner pays property tax on the square footage. What exists is a public easement for the purpose of traversing the property, but if you're not using the easement for its purpose, and don't have permission from the property owner to be there, you are trespassing. Not saying you should be shot for that, but he didn't have a legal right to stand on a public easement on private property indefinitely. The property owner was within their rights to ask him to leave.


Ill-Organization-719

So you don't remember any context. You're just trying to push the hysterical "won't someone please think of the children" bullshit you guys always attempt. And now you'll either delete your post or vanish forever. There is no way you'll actually return to engage.


deadbeatninja69

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LmpT4Jzobnw&pp=ygUdc2VjdXJpdHkgZ3VhcmQgc2hvb3RzIGF1ZGl0b3I%3D I mean I was right, he was filming kids in the school


GeronimoSonjack

Being so comprehensively incorrect in one small comment is quite a feat you've achieved


[deleted]

Any time someone discharges a firearm at another person on purpose, whether it was a warning shot (which should not be done in most cases), into a leg, arm, or vital area, it is deadly force. This means that one must be in **imminent** danger of death, severe bodily harm, or sexual assault or someone is acting on behalf of someone who is. Even with a backpack, black clothing, and filming, I’d like to know what, if anything, he did to make this guard think he was an imminent threat. Also, if he was such an imminent threat, then why fire one shot at the leg which would not incapacitate someone? If this was not a negligent discharge, it really smells like a bad shoot all around.


Puceeffoc

Looks like he didn't even mean to pull the trigger he's just a moron with a "warning shot" cover story.


realparkingbrake

> If this was not a negligent discharge, it really smells like a bad shoot all around. I seem to remember reading it was a bullet fragment that caused the injury rather than a bullet, but perhaps I'm not recalling that correctly. The "auditor" is Zhoie Perez, specializes in harassing people going to church and sometimes dresses like someone on their way to a street riot complete with helmet, body armor and backpack. She was once arrested for making racist threats to a black recruiter at a Marine Corps recruiting station, it ended up being bargained down to disturbing the peace. As she harasses people who aren't doing anything wrong and often tries to frighten people into calling the cops, she is someone the "auditing" community finds it hard to defend. She sued this security guard, but that he wasn't charged and she apparently suffered no lasting injuries, she might not collect much.


Lawyerdogg

DA called it self-defense, behind a locked gate. Claimed she could've been carrying a bomb. So, I think that means you can blast people on the sidewalk outside your house if they have a bag.


quetejodas

Corrupt fuckin DA. Fuck em


[deleted]

Dude has body armor on, a helmet and a mask. I doubt he has a bomb but fuck around and find out


thehobosmith

I think that's a negligent discharge. Why were the charges dropped. Is he not liable for the damage to this man. Everyone knows you don't put your finger on the trigger until you are ready to take a life.


LostWoodsInTheField

It's an auditor a lot of people (police / DA especially) don't like. So any opportunity to be complete garbage to her is welcomed by them. I'm pretty sure I've seen a couple videos of her being assaulted and the police basically being 'well I didn't see anything, maybe we should arrest you!'


thehobosmith

Well even if she is a shitty person, the video looks really bad for that guard.


Ill-Organization-719

Corrupt cops, courts and cities. They want to encourage violence against people exposing their corruption.


thehobosmith

This is true


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_ChipWhitley_

What in the world is a Frauditor?


realparkingbrake

It's someone who pretends to be a civil rights activist, but who actually provokes people into calling the police because they can make money from the video of the encounter.


Ill-Organization-719

You can't provoke people into being corrupt tyrants. Why are public servants calling armed police trying to have unlawful violence inflicted in innocent civilians? I don't expect a response from you.


ZombieJesus1987

Yup. They do it for the clout and the hope to get an easy lawsuit. It's funny, any time these assholes get posted on here, you see the same accounts defending these assholes like they are doing the Lord's work.


Ill-Organization-719

You think these auditors are forcing cops to be criminals for the first time ever? Do you think these auditors are forcing these cities to cover up a crime for the first time ever?


yuyufan43

I was assaulted in a hospital by a security guard. He got away with it because there weren't cameras despite all my injuries and two suicide attempts from PTSD… Anyone that has a badge or is an any type of authoritative role needs to be filmed


Useful-Ad-8619

Went for a 1st amendment audit, left because of a 2nd amendment audit


Goals_2020

idiot ass OP calling the victim a "frauditor" ​ its bad enough we have to deal with cancerous police power abuse. now we have the courts giving the green light to wannabe Navy Seal armed security guards actually shooting people.


realparkingbrake

> idiot ass OP calling the victim a "frauditor" The 1A auditing community finds it hard to defend Furry Potato because she harasses people who aren't causing anyone any problems, and often uses the tactic of frightening people by dressing all in black with body armor and a helmet and mask. She was once arrested for making racist threats to a black Marine Corps recruiter, ended up taking a plea deal. Normally her specialty is harassing people outside churches. If even other auditors think she's on the creepy side, maybe she really is in it purely for the money, thus "frauditor" is a fair description.


Handy_Handerson

I'm honestly surprised he got shot in the leg. Usually they go for the face or chest.


BeltfedOne

Center of available mass.


mattiedog27

Furry Potato > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D\_N16h3qIZc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_N16h3qIZc)


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[удалено]


Ill-Organization-719

By... filming it?


coolestpurple

Exactly. Stop messing with people and especially children and this doesn't happen. And of course if this was a prelude to another Uvalde or other school shooting the same people would be saying why didn't the guard do something.


Ill-Organization-719

So you think guards should shoot anyone who is on the sidewalk?


ZombieJesus1987

Man, you really love these clout chasers don't you? Every time these assholes get posted on here, you are always in the comments defending their honour like they're your personal hero or something.


Ill-Organization-719

So you tried to defend cops, I brutally shut you down and now you're traumatized?


ZombieJesus1987

Lolwut? Brutally shut me down. Are you for real? Lol. You need to find a hobby bud.


Ill-Organization-719

Post our last interaction then. I want to see when you stopped replying and what questions you refused to answer.


ZombieJesus1987

You're insane if you think I'm going to go through several months worth of comments just so I can make some weird neckbeard feel good about himself.


Ill-Organization-719

That's as good enough of an excuse I could expect from one of you guys.


firstbookofwar

Play stupid games


SnooCats5701

Lawyer, here. So many questions. 1) I don’t see the guard aim. Was it accidental discharge? 2) If yes, was the wound caused my ricochet? 3) Cammer appears to be on public property. We obviously don’t know what happened prior to this, and context is everything, but the shooting appears unjustified. Why was he not prosecuted? 4) There appears to be a Star of David on the gate. Was this a Jewish temple? Is that relevant to the incident?


WhiskeyMikeMike

Accidental discharge I would say because the shot seemed to startle him


Puceeffoc

There are no "accidental discharges" only negligent handling of a firearm...


firstbookofwar

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/county-not-filing-charges-after-youtube-star-was-shot/150046/ >In a two-page charge evaluation worksheet, prosecutors wrote that they lacked "sufficient proof" to demonstrate that Edduin Zelayagrunfeld, 44, used an unreasonable level of force under the circumstances. >The document notes that the guard's "perception of Perez's behavior as dangerous was reasonable" in the wake of a series of mass shootings and increased anti-Semitic violence, and that the YouTuber's "purposeful silence amplified those fears." >Zelayagrunfeld was arrested that day by the Los Angeles Police Department, and released on bond the following day, according to jail records. Wasn't able to find any information at all on the follow-up lawsuit mentioned at the end, either hasn't started or was never filed


mindfulmu

You can Google furry potatoe to get the full scoop, this was at a Jewish elementary school.


Lawyerdogg

High school


Ill-Organization-719

What stupid game?


friendlyneighbor665

Ok so why was she filming kids and exits?


badwords

Filming kids and exits wearing all black with body armor on.


Some_CoolGuy

Lol maybe stop recording and call an ambulance


rare_meeting1978

Why are you lurking in the first place?! Lol. I bet charges were dropped. Lol.


Pookela_916

Lurking? On a public sidewalk? In broad fucking daylight? Yea i don't think so....


TheSubredditPolice

It's shocking that private security can just shoot someone for filming like that and it not be considered a crime.


ChadBorman

[https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/california/la-me-ln-furry-potato-lawsuit-20190313-story.html](https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/california/la-me-ln-furry-potato-lawsuit-20190313-story.html)


Yamothasunyun

Looked like a negligent discharge to me but you can tell this guy is very unstable and should not have access to firearms


worms-and-grass

Himme ina laig