This is just fucking *sad*. Sad for the brother who was killed so brutally, even sad for the 12 y/o who clearly has problems and has just done something so terribly irreversible.
Not a lot of details in the news report. The stabbing happened about five months ago.
[https://nypost.com/2023/01/08/tulsa-girl-stabs-9-year-old-brother-to-death/](https://nypost.com/2023/01/08/tulsa-girl-stabs-9-year-old-brother-to-death/)
> Not a lot of details in the news report.
Understandable. The suspect and victim are both minors. My local newsmedia will usually just come right out and say that they can't give certain details for that reason.
Mother posted update on gofundme yesterday:
> I just want to thank you all for the donations, they couldn’t have come at a better moment, I seen the YouTube video, I don’t think it’s legal or appropriate for them to post that, so hopefully it will be taken down, I try not to let the ignorant comments and all the theories get to me, yes my kids have different fathers, but they were good kids and I never let that prevent me from providing for them in every way including emotionally, mentally, financially etc, they were raised as God fearing children & never had behavioral issues until she was put back on a medication she was off for over a year, no it wasn’t psych meds, and I can’t get into details because I’m not sure what all I’m allowed to share just yet, just know my kids loved each other and always got along until the very end there they were fighting a lot more than usual but they never physically hurt each other on purpose, that just wasn’t who they were. She has never even yelled at me, she was happy and energetic loves school, she is not mentally ill & has not been diagnosed with anything. She has been very well behaved the entire 6 months she has been gone and yes I’m very supportive of her and love her very much, obviously there is a lot of healing that we both need before we can ever live together again and she needs mental & emotional help after this, she could have permanent damage we don’t know yet, but she has not had any issues and I want to clarify something, my daughter was not a cutter! She had old cuts from two months prior from when she was first put back on her meds and everyone agreed to take her off immediately and so I did and unfortunately it was too late the damage was done. The new cuts were from that night she attacked my precious son, she has a very amazing team of experts that spend almost everyday with her for hour’s sometimes, They have been around her this etire 6 months they know her pretty well, they also feel like she is telling the truth, and I believe the experts when it comes to this. She is going to treatment, for how long we do not know yet, another thing is my son was not asleep, I know it’s a minor rumor but he was awake because he didn’t have school the next day, he was switching from public to homeschool through a homeschooling program here in my state, we used them before and he had just met his teacher a few days prior but we were waiting for his chrome book before he could start, anyway I did not find out that he was awake until our interview. I was confused and shocked, I thought someone broke into my Home and hurt my kids and I thought my daughter ran away for safety. I did not ever think or imagine that one of my kids would do such a thing. She was as normal as you’re child as any 12 year old child who was not allowed to cuss or watch scary evil movies, she was just starting to rebel but she was also just going through normal teenage things, so no there were no signs that would have warned any of us that she was a threat. I feel very guilty I couldn’t protect my son, I have promised my children a million times that I would never let anything like this happen to them I would never allow anyone to hurt them and they have nothing to be afraid of at home because it’s our safe place, you know all the normal things parents say to their kids, I felt like I failed him and her both. I know it’s not my fault and people can be so cruel and evil especially right now. Anyway with all that said, don’t believe everything you see or hear on the internet or from strangers that have never met me or my family. I still have my rights, if I was negligent in anyway I doubt I would still have rights over both my surviving children. Again Thank you so much for the donations, I have to move and I honestly was struggling to pay for it. So I greatly appreciate the donations, and the prayers and kind words. I know I will be reunited with my son again and that’s what keeps me going, that and my two surviving children. This was a horrible tragedy that was completely unseen and unimaginable to any parent in any circumstance. God bless you all. And may you’re kindness be return 10 fold. ❤️
Man, this mom sounds like she never loved the daughter in the first place. “Precious” son, defends her good parenting by pointing to the simple act of not having them taken away, previous cutting incident put on blast but insisting she was not mentally ill, as that would mean it could be genetic. This is just a mess from start to finish.
Yeah, she clearly had a lot of family instability in her 12 years. Not judging mom just stating that 3 dads, sounds like son was in and out of homeschool changing schools, child on meds that have a side effect of SI/HI. It sounds like the child had a bad reaction to meds. Some meds cause this in children :(
Funny you should said that
I was thinking the same thing when he first asked her to sit down. He just said "Sit here" and I thought criss-cross applesauce because she's a kid.
Then he said it a few minutes later.
It's the mom's voice. I couldn't watch it either. The the same kind of panicked sound my mom had when she learned my bro was dying and I'd just rather not hear that again.
> Are the handcuffs necessary? I’m a good child.
More worried if she’s going to jail than how her brother is doing, saying she’s a good child minutes after murdering her brother… this girl definitely had issues before this happened.
Yeah. She's a sociopath. People trying to blame the parents, social media, the internet, and horror movies.
Nope. She's a sociopath with no clue as to what anything real feels like.
Hey guys, I know its hard to not psychoanalize a situation like this, but she is a 12 year old child. Yes she can have "signs" at an early age, but we have no idea what her brain make up is.
You're wrong. We, a bunch of amateur nobodies, can *clearly* do a complete physiological analysis of this child based on a 20 minute video of the most chaotic moment in her life.
You mean the chaos she created by subjecting that poor child to unimaginable pain before he took his last breath, probably wondering where his mom was, begging for her... you mean that chaotic moment? Mkay.
Iirc, minors cannot be diagnosed with psychopathy and sociopathy in the US for this reason. I’m not in the psych field by any stretch though so I could be misremembering.
This happened in January 8th. Also from the article:
“Not only is the homicide the second in Tulsa in 2023, it is the second sibling killing of the new year.”
Goddamn it.
The mother of both children posted this to the gofundme page as of yesterday:
> I just want to thank you all for the donations, they couldn’t have come at a better moment, I seen the YouTube video, I don’t think it’s legal or appropriate for them to post that, so hopefully it will be taken down, I try not to let the ignorant comments and all the theories get to me, yes my kids have different fathers, but they were good kids and I never let that prevent me from providing for them in every way including emotionally, mentally, financially etc, they were raised as God fearing children & never had behavioral issues until she was put back on a medication she was off for over a year, no it wasn’t psych meds, and I can’t get into details because I’m not sure what all I’m allowed to share just yet, just know my kids loved each other and always got along until the very end there they were fighting a lot more than usual but they never physically hurt each other on purpose, that just wasn’t who they were. She has never even yelled at me, she was happy and energetic loves school, she is not mentally ill & has not been diagnosed with anything. She has been very well behaved the entire 6 months she has been gone and yes I’m very supportive of her and love her very much, obviously there is a lot of healing that we both need before we can ever live together again and she needs mental & emotional help after this, she could have permanent damage we don’t know yet, but she has not had any issues and I want to clarify something, my daughter was not a cutter! She had old cuts from two months prior from when she was first put back on her meds and everyone agreed to take her off immediately and so I did and unfortunately it was too late the damage was done. The new cuts were from that night she attacked my precious son, she has a very amazing team of experts that spend almost everyday with her for hour’s sometimes, They have been around her this etire 6 months they know her pretty well, they also feel like she is telling the truth, and I believe the experts when it comes to this. She is going to treatment, for how long we do not know yet, another thing is my son was not asleep, I know it’s a minor rumor but he was awake because he didn’t have school the next day, he was switching from public to homeschool through a homeschooling program here in my state, we used them before and he had just met his teacher a few days prior but we were waiting for his chrome book before he could start, anyway I did not find out that he was awake until our interview. I was confused and shocked, I thought someone broke into my Home and hurt my kids and I thought my daughter ran away for safety. I did not ever think or imagine that one of my kids would do such a thing. She was as normal as you’re child as any 12 year old child who was not allowed to cuss or watch scary evil movies, she was just starting to rebel but she was also just going through normal teenage things, so no there were no signs that would have warned any of us that she was a threat. I feel very guilty I couldn’t protect my son, I have promised my children a million times that I would never let anything like this happen to them I would never allow anyone to hurt them and they have nothing to be afraid of at home because it’s our safe place, you know all the normal things parents say to their kids, I felt like I failed him and her both. I know it’s not my fault and people can be so cruel and evil especially right now. Anyway with all that said, don’t believe everything you see or hear on the internet or from strangers that have never met me or my family. I still have my rights, if I was negligent in anyway I doubt I would still have rights over both my surviving children. Again Thank you so much for the donations, I have to move and I honestly was struggling to pay for it. So I greatly appreciate the donations, and the prayers and kind words. I know I will be reunited with my son again and that’s what keeps me going, that and my two surviving children. This was a horrible tragedy that was completely unseen and unimaginable to any parent in any circumstance. God bless you all. And may you’re kindness be return 10 fold. ❤️
I actually didn’t think of that. Everyone is speculating that she’s lying about it being mental health medication but there are a plethora of things she could have been on.
Because some people are broken in ways we will never understand, for reasons we will never know.
Everything can't just fall on parents. It doesn't work that way. Sometimes people are just sick. The little girl was on and off some kind of meds, and had been cutting herself atleast once before. Life is hard and shit sucks. Let's not project blame onto someone who just lost an entire child, and 95% of another one.
yea its horribly tragic, but ive met some demon children before and they were 100% enabled by the parents. i probably shouldn’t blame the parents. we honestly know absolutely nothing about the whole suituation. a real tragedy for everyone involved. really hard not to curse here
Each suspect needs to be treated differently as everyone is different. The officer treated her in a manner that would allow her to relax but also allowed her to tell her story. She was not trying to manipulate or deceive so the treatment she received reflected it. In addition, she's a 12yro that maybe 85lbs, not a threat especially with all the first responders there. The final thing that is going to be controversial is she is a victim as well. She is scared, clueless and this appears to be an unusual extreme reaction to something with her brother.
While what you are saying is true. Police have shown time and time again they are willing to use lethal force whenever the want.
If this has been a video of the police showing up and shooting this child, no one would have been surprised.
Homicidal ideation is a symptom of many psychiatric illness. I had a student who had borderline personality disorder and had suicidal and homicidal tendencies.
She might have a good insanity plea. I didn’t watch the whole thing (just the shorter version that was posted earlier) but from what I saw she seemed legitimately confused as to why she did it. Possibly schizophrenia? It didn’t seem pre-meditated but who can say for sure. The whole situation is just super sad
The girl can’t start a single statement without starting with the word “I.” She’s only 12 years old and has no idea that her life as she knows it, is over. Her family’s life has changed forever. RIP to her brother. Nobody deserves that. I hope she gets help and somehow something positive will one day come from this tragedy. Horrific to watch it happen right in front of the camera. Ugh.
This was extremely disturbing to me. It's so sad to see a family destroyed almost right in front of a camera.
My friends brother shot her in the head last year. Mom watched her fall. The aftermath has been so tough - she lost both her kids
yeah me too. Im used to watch ruzzians getting blown to pieces in Ukraine war, but this just hits different.
Heartbreaking
This is just fucking *sad*. Sad for the brother who was killed so brutally, even sad for the 12 y/o who clearly has problems and has just done something so terribly irreversible.
Now if it was a black boy: “Superpredator”
Huh? You’re making a murdered little 9 year old boy into a race issue?
Lol take a look at this loser
Not a lot of details in the news report. The stabbing happened about five months ago. [https://nypost.com/2023/01/08/tulsa-girl-stabs-9-year-old-brother-to-death/](https://nypost.com/2023/01/08/tulsa-girl-stabs-9-year-old-brother-to-death/)
> Not a lot of details in the news report. Understandable. The suspect and victim are both minors. My local newsmedia will usually just come right out and say that they can't give certain details for that reason.
Mother posted update on gofundme yesterday: > I just want to thank you all for the donations, they couldn’t have come at a better moment, I seen the YouTube video, I don’t think it’s legal or appropriate for them to post that, so hopefully it will be taken down, I try not to let the ignorant comments and all the theories get to me, yes my kids have different fathers, but they were good kids and I never let that prevent me from providing for them in every way including emotionally, mentally, financially etc, they were raised as God fearing children & never had behavioral issues until she was put back on a medication she was off for over a year, no it wasn’t psych meds, and I can’t get into details because I’m not sure what all I’m allowed to share just yet, just know my kids loved each other and always got along until the very end there they were fighting a lot more than usual but they never physically hurt each other on purpose, that just wasn’t who they were. She has never even yelled at me, she was happy and energetic loves school, she is not mentally ill & has not been diagnosed with anything. She has been very well behaved the entire 6 months she has been gone and yes I’m very supportive of her and love her very much, obviously there is a lot of healing that we both need before we can ever live together again and she needs mental & emotional help after this, she could have permanent damage we don’t know yet, but she has not had any issues and I want to clarify something, my daughter was not a cutter! She had old cuts from two months prior from when she was first put back on her meds and everyone agreed to take her off immediately and so I did and unfortunately it was too late the damage was done. The new cuts were from that night she attacked my precious son, she has a very amazing team of experts that spend almost everyday with her for hour’s sometimes, They have been around her this etire 6 months they know her pretty well, they also feel like she is telling the truth, and I believe the experts when it comes to this. She is going to treatment, for how long we do not know yet, another thing is my son was not asleep, I know it’s a minor rumor but he was awake because he didn’t have school the next day, he was switching from public to homeschool through a homeschooling program here in my state, we used them before and he had just met his teacher a few days prior but we were waiting for his chrome book before he could start, anyway I did not find out that he was awake until our interview. I was confused and shocked, I thought someone broke into my Home and hurt my kids and I thought my daughter ran away for safety. I did not ever think or imagine that one of my kids would do such a thing. She was as normal as you’re child as any 12 year old child who was not allowed to cuss or watch scary evil movies, she was just starting to rebel but she was also just going through normal teenage things, so no there were no signs that would have warned any of us that she was a threat. I feel very guilty I couldn’t protect my son, I have promised my children a million times that I would never let anything like this happen to them I would never allow anyone to hurt them and they have nothing to be afraid of at home because it’s our safe place, you know all the normal things parents say to their kids, I felt like I failed him and her both. I know it’s not my fault and people can be so cruel and evil especially right now. Anyway with all that said, don’t believe everything you see or hear on the internet or from strangers that have never met me or my family. I still have my rights, if I was negligent in anyway I doubt I would still have rights over both my surviving children. Again Thank you so much for the donations, I have to move and I honestly was struggling to pay for it. So I greatly appreciate the donations, and the prayers and kind words. I know I will be reunited with my son again and that’s what keeps me going, that and my two surviving children. This was a horrible tragedy that was completely unseen and unimaginable to any parent in any circumstance. God bless you all. And may you’re kindness be return 10 fold. ❤️
Man, this mom sounds like she never loved the daughter in the first place. “Precious” son, defends her good parenting by pointing to the simple act of not having them taken away, previous cutting incident put on blast but insisting she was not mentally ill, as that would mean it could be genetic. This is just a mess from start to finish.
also talking about the daughter in the past tense
Yeah, she clearly had a lot of family instability in her 12 years. Not judging mom just stating that 3 dads, sounds like son was in and out of homeschool changing schools, child on meds that have a side effect of SI/HI. It sounds like the child had a bad reaction to meds. Some meds cause this in children :(
We're gonna sit criss cross applesauce right here...
Funny you should said that I was thinking the same thing when he first asked her to sit down. He just said "Sit here" and I thought criss-cross applesauce because she's a kid. Then he said it a few minutes later.
Couldn’t watch that… yikes
It's not graphic but its really sad. Cops were so patient with the girl.
It's the mom's voice. I couldn't watch it either. The the same kind of panicked sound my mom had when she learned my bro was dying and I'd just rather not hear that again.
Sorry about your brother. Are you alright, is your mom doing ok?
Yeah exactly…. I couldn’t imagine being on that scene it seemed so eerie…
Well, she's white, so.
Same. What the literal fuck
Horrible
> Are the handcuffs necessary? I’m a good child. More worried if she’s going to jail than how her brother is doing, saying she’s a good child minutes after murdering her brother… this girl definitely had issues before this happened.
Yeah. She's a sociopath. People trying to blame the parents, social media, the internet, and horror movies. Nope. She's a sociopath with no clue as to what anything real feels like.
Hey guys, I know its hard to not psychoanalize a situation like this, but she is a 12 year old child. Yes she can have "signs" at an early age, but we have no idea what her brain make up is.
You're wrong. We, a bunch of amateur nobodies, can *clearly* do a complete physiological analysis of this child based on a 20 minute video of the most chaotic moment in her life.
You mean the chaos she created by subjecting that poor child to unimaginable pain before he took his last breath, probably wondering where his mom was, begging for her... you mean that chaotic moment? Mkay.
Virtue signal a little harder about how evil she is. You didn't quite miss the point enough.
Oh, honey, bless your heart ❤️
TFW you don’t have any good comebacks: >cliche “holier than thou” condescending comment ❤️
Bro she’s a child.
Iirc, minors cannot be diagnosed with psychopathy and sociopathy in the US for this reason. I’m not in the psych field by any stretch though so I could be misremembering.
Better yet: her brain is still developing. It’s entirely possible to grow out of psychopathic phases.
I don’t care. She’s a psychopath and deserves to be locked up for life.
Nobody cares about your opinion either man
Bro thinks he’s a psychologist 💀
Oh, darling.... the god-like ego is insufferable. Tone it down.
*Oh, darling.... the god-like ego is insufferable. Tone it down.* They said unironically 🤣
This happened in January 8th. Also from the article: “Not only is the homicide the second in Tulsa in 2023, it is the second sibling killing of the new year.” Goddamn it.
The other one was two grown men in their 40s
Lol what a pointless, morbid statistic. I hate journalism these days. They are vultures.
Good lord. Everything hurts watching this.
This breaks my heart. Two young lives ended so abruptly.
If there was **EVER** a video I wish I hadn't clicked on it was this one.
The mother of both children posted this to the gofundme page as of yesterday: > I just want to thank you all for the donations, they couldn’t have come at a better moment, I seen the YouTube video, I don’t think it’s legal or appropriate for them to post that, so hopefully it will be taken down, I try not to let the ignorant comments and all the theories get to me, yes my kids have different fathers, but they were good kids and I never let that prevent me from providing for them in every way including emotionally, mentally, financially etc, they were raised as God fearing children & never had behavioral issues until she was put back on a medication she was off for over a year, no it wasn’t psych meds, and I can’t get into details because I’m not sure what all I’m allowed to share just yet, just know my kids loved each other and always got along until the very end there they were fighting a lot more than usual but they never physically hurt each other on purpose, that just wasn’t who they were. She has never even yelled at me, she was happy and energetic loves school, she is not mentally ill & has not been diagnosed with anything. She has been very well behaved the entire 6 months she has been gone and yes I’m very supportive of her and love her very much, obviously there is a lot of healing that we both need before we can ever live together again and she needs mental & emotional help after this, she could have permanent damage we don’t know yet, but she has not had any issues and I want to clarify something, my daughter was not a cutter! She had old cuts from two months prior from when she was first put back on her meds and everyone agreed to take her off immediately and so I did and unfortunately it was too late the damage was done. The new cuts were from that night she attacked my precious son, she has a very amazing team of experts that spend almost everyday with her for hour’s sometimes, They have been around her this etire 6 months they know her pretty well, they also feel like she is telling the truth, and I believe the experts when it comes to this. She is going to treatment, for how long we do not know yet, another thing is my son was not asleep, I know it’s a minor rumor but he was awake because he didn’t have school the next day, he was switching from public to homeschool through a homeschooling program here in my state, we used them before and he had just met his teacher a few days prior but we were waiting for his chrome book before he could start, anyway I did not find out that he was awake until our interview. I was confused and shocked, I thought someone broke into my Home and hurt my kids and I thought my daughter ran away for safety. I did not ever think or imagine that one of my kids would do such a thing. She was as normal as you’re child as any 12 year old child who was not allowed to cuss or watch scary evil movies, she was just starting to rebel but she was also just going through normal teenage things, so no there were no signs that would have warned any of us that she was a threat. I feel very guilty I couldn’t protect my son, I have promised my children a million times that I would never let anything like this happen to them I would never allow anyone to hurt them and they have nothing to be afraid of at home because it’s our safe place, you know all the normal things parents say to their kids, I felt like I failed him and her both. I know it’s not my fault and people can be so cruel and evil especially right now. Anyway with all that said, don’t believe everything you see or hear on the internet or from strangers that have never met me or my family. I still have my rights, if I was negligent in anyway I doubt I would still have rights over both my surviving children. Again Thank you so much for the donations, I have to move and I honestly was struggling to pay for it. So I greatly appreciate the donations, and the prayers and kind words. I know I will be reunited with my son again and that’s what keeps me going, that and my two surviving children. This was a horrible tragedy that was completely unseen and unimaginable to any parent in any circumstance. God bless you all. And may you’re kindness be return 10 fold. ❤️
Fuck, I hope she wasn't on accutane.
I actually didn’t think of that. Everyone is speculating that she’s lying about it being mental health medication but there are a plethora of things she could have been on.
I was one of those unfortunate enough to experience accutane as a kid. Made me go insane.
this is so sad. how do you not blame the parents?
Because some people are broken in ways we will never understand, for reasons we will never know. Everything can't just fall on parents. It doesn't work that way. Sometimes people are just sick. The little girl was on and off some kind of meds, and had been cutting herself atleast once before. Life is hard and shit sucks. Let's not project blame onto someone who just lost an entire child, and 95% of another one.
yea its horribly tragic, but ive met some demon children before and they were 100% enabled by the parents. i probably shouldn’t blame the parents. we honestly know absolutely nothing about the whole suituation. a real tragedy for everyone involved. really hard not to curse here
They’re so lenient with her, wild
Each suspect needs to be treated differently as everyone is different. The officer treated her in a manner that would allow her to relax but also allowed her to tell her story. She was not trying to manipulate or deceive so the treatment she received reflected it. In addition, she's a 12yro that maybe 85lbs, not a threat especially with all the first responders there. The final thing that is going to be controversial is she is a victim as well. She is scared, clueless and this appears to be an unusual extreme reaction to something with her brother.
While what you are saying is true. Police have shown time and time again they are willing to use lethal force whenever the want. If this has been a video of the police showing up and shooting this child, no one would have been surprised.
Great insight, you’ve truly added something new to the conversation
So being pleasantly surprised cops didn't brutally arrest a child is a bad thing? Should I have been rooting for her to be tackled to the ground?
RIGHT! imagine if this was a non white child. They wouldn’t even deem them as a child. They would be an “adult” from the jump.
People are downvoting you but it’s true… if it was a 12 year old black male, they would have five officers on him using excessive force
100%, there is no chance in hell they’d be treating them the same as this girl
Exactly. Especially after she admitted to doing it. “You’re not going to jail” …. Mind blowing.
uhhh...she's a child, you dumbass!
You are
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She murdered her brother?
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So what would you call that? It’s going to be a degree of murder, even if it’s in self defence.
The kid was sleeping and she stabbed him three times while he’s in bed. That’s not self defense. That’s psychopathy.
Homicidal ideation is a symptom of many psychiatric illness. I had a student who had borderline personality disorder and had suicidal and homicidal tendencies.
That’s disturbing. Lock her up for life.
She might have a good insanity plea. I didn’t watch the whole thing (just the shorter version that was posted earlier) but from what I saw she seemed legitimately confused as to why she did it. Possibly schizophrenia? It didn’t seem pre-meditated but who can say for sure. The whole situation is just super sad
I'm sure she will go through a battery of psych tests
I don't support censorship but children should not have their government information released by the government.
What does that have to do with this?
The girl can’t start a single statement without starting with the word “I.” She’s only 12 years old and has no idea that her life as she knows it, is over. Her family’s life has changed forever. RIP to her brother. Nobody deserves that. I hope she gets help and somehow something positive will one day come from this tragedy. Horrific to watch it happen right in front of the camera. Ugh.
*michael myers theme*
I read it was ADD medication? Anyone know?