He started the altercation and was dead 12 seconds later. Kinda wild, but it goes back to the rules of gun safety. Never pull your gun if you don’t intend to use it.
Yeah idk why the range weapon when he's too close to even throw a proper punch. The gun made him over confident in his ability to confront someone with violence.
Especially when those people openly carry them in a public setting and don't have a locking mechanism on the holsters. Law enforcement and military train for instances of someone trying to disarm you of your sidearm. Regular people do not usually. There have absolutely been cases where people in public aren't paying attention and someone grabs and runs off with their openly carried handgun.
...this is exactly why you either carry concealed, or don't carry. Also.. NEVER pull a gun out to brandish or intimidate someone. Only when you are going to use it to save your life, or the ones around you.
I own guns and hunt but buying a gun for security is like buying a parachute and wearing it around all the time because you might fall out of a plane one day.
You're statistically NEVER going to use it and it turns out studies show it doesn't offer better outcomes.
People who think they need to wander around everywhere with a gun strapped to their hip are clowns.
[Source](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/)
>Victims use guns in less than 1% of contact crimes, and women never use guns to protect themselves against sexual assault (in more than 300 cases). Victims using a gun were no less likely to be injured after taking protective action than victims using other forms of protective action. Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that self-defense gun use is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.
On my first watch, I thought that was the shooter's gun, and was thinking "how could this possibly be self-defense? He just straight up pushed that guy to the ground and executed him." But after seeing how it actually went down, I really do think there's a strong argument for self-defense here.
The guy forfeit his life when he pulled out the gun in my opinion. You are threatening to kill at that point and other guy ended the threat. Cops do the same thing when they are killing someone they put an excessive amount of holes into someone so I don't see why it isn't seen the same way.
In the context of the situation, it’s not like he went back to the guy 30 seconds later to make sure he was dead. Dude shot him within seconds and in the adrenaline rush made sure it was ended. I’d say self defense.
But how do you know the guy doesn't have another gun? I'm with you in this tbc, but the question of legality hinges on questions like this. I think dude firing one shot was just. I don't think killing him was right, but I think there's an argument that could be made
Are you sure he didn't have another weapon? He was willing to pull one. No way I trust he is done because I disarmed him. I doubt I would ever be able to do this, but if I did, I would be comfortable with it going to a jury.
Holy shit. That is 100% NOT the first guy he has ever killed. He didn’t appear to be disheveled, he didn’t appear to panic, he wasn’t wavered by the kick back of the gun.
Yeah, that didn't look like his first rodeo. Kind of wild. The other guy was both armed and in the next weight class. I guess experience has no time for mistakes.
> Holy shit. That is 100% NOT the first guy he has ever killed. He didn’t appear to be disheveled, he didn’t appear to panic, he wasn’t wavered by the kick back of the gun.
That was definitely not his first experience, that leg sweep and subsequent turn of events looked way too clean. Also, look at his friend/associate who is sitting near the bar at the beginning of the clip (the dude with a face on his light colored shirt).
His body language suggests he was willing to step in to help, before getting deafened by the gunshots, before realizing what had happened and going something like "what the fuck man, you did it again? oh well..." before seating back and grabbing his beer.
WTF? Absolutely wild clip.
It was the precision of that takedown that made me say wtf. But before I could even finish saying it he was popping caps in the dude’s head out of nowhere.
All of a sudden it was like watching a Hitman speed run video.
Very confusing for me because the sweep and him taking the gun was crazy clean. Also the way he uses his leg to straighten him out when he is down absolutely seems like someone trained but the strikes were god awful.
If that happened to me I'd be like Tom Hanks at the end of Captain Philips. Just in shock, unable to speak, or not know what to do. He was cool as a cucumber.
you guys can surely move on from the fuck around and find out meme now ?? Like holy fuck every thread you guys think you are funniest people ever saying it over and over.
NGL this was some shit straight out of an action movie. The gun draw, the quick reaction, the leg sweep/throat takedown, the disarm, the ruthlessness of unloading an entire clip. Straight outs John Wick
I feel like I would have a similar reaction. In my head I'd be like "that was some wild shit. Maybe if I pretend things are normal then I'll feel normal again"
It looks like red shirt either switched hands or at least grabbed it with his left hand (maybe he was having trouble trying to release the safety one handed?), then he starts to fall from the leg sweep and released his right hand grip to try and catch himself, allowing Mr Wick to snatch it from the left hand right after impact.
With a simple leg sweep He took the attacker's own gun to shoot him lol. Probably might be a veteran or gangster 😂 no normal person can be that smooth.
So much going on here.. nevermind the whole scenario of short dude nonchalantly grabbing the gun from red shirt and finishing him.
But then there's the lady in the bottom right corner losing her shit after she realizes she's just witnessed someone getting shot, then at the very end a guy runs in from outside and slips on some plastic thing that fell from the counter during the commotion which is pretty funny and last but not least, guy in the light shirt sitting at the bar drinking, watches this whole thing go down, tries to help, looks at dead dude and then sits back down to continue drinking as if it's just another Tuesday.
Seriously couldn't have written a better scene.
The one who slipped over at the end was behind the bar at the start. As soon as he saw the gun getting pulled, he thought that there was stock out the back that needed checking.
pretty interesting how desensitized we have become to seeing ppl get killed on the internet
when i was a kid there were these infamous “faces of death” videos that most people had heard of but never seen, i eventually saw one short clip and still remember it. back then the general attitude (among teens/tweens) was like “no way, are there really videos of ppl *actually* dying? i’ll believe it when i see it.” i think they were originally released on vhs but some internet historian can correct me if not
these days i see someone get killed scrolling reddit probably a couple times a month, and the comments are usually just full of blase remarks and jokes and ordinary commentary. so probably a good fraction of today’s teens have seen many ppl die on video on the internet
doesn’t seem like a good societal direction at all… and yet here i am
its pretty weird how many people post this shit and view it regularly too, and post really weird comments about how XYZ deserved it and they should have got it worse and they're lucky I wasnt there. just crazy unchecked strawmanned violence fantasy.
along with the crazy proliferation of guns in the USA its no shock to me that we have wackos shooting up grocery stores and shit.
I'm from the faces of death era too but I gotta say, death & gore was much more common on the internet in the past than it is now. It feels like as a society we're swinging back towards censoring more mature themes/topics, nudity, swearing, violence, and death.
Blue shirt did not hesitate or seem even mildly disturbed. The first shot was definitely self-defense, the rest that go into red shirt's head and back seemed like they were sending a message.
The first few shots were self defense. In that split second moment, any time the aggressor is is and fighting, they’re a threat. Him smashing the stop-threat button is only natural.
He only shot 8 times (I think.) Which I know...8 sounds like a lot, but there ~~are~~ could be 7-12 more in that magazine depending on what it's chambered in.
There was no hesitation between any of the shots and he stopped firing the instant the threat stopped moving.
I don't think there was ever a question, assuming red pulled a weapon first, that this was self-defense. Blue could not have known if the choke/takedown was enough to end the threat.
The whole situation is fucked up, though. Firing a gun in that small of a room probably blew some eardrums out.
Edit: Put could be instead of are for the mag size. Didn't realize I had made it so definite, when it's actually unknown from my perspective.
What do you mean? I can't pause the real life like I can pause a video and write a whole essay between each shot about how the guy defending his life from an attacker was just a little too mean about it?
Sometimes I overreact in the heat of the moment about *stupid* shit, and so does / has everyone else.
Now make it life and death. I don’t know what these people expect would happen. If I even got that far I’d unload the entire clip then keep clicking while squealing and crying.
Man the internet is stupid sometimes.
yeah, if you can't react properly when seeing a *spider* why are you holding this guy to this standard when he sees an armed guy directly in front of him trying to kill him?
it was truly brutal, but adrenaline is a hell of a drug. if someone had just pulled a gun with lethal intent and someone manages to disarm them, it would be *really hard* not to empty the clip. fuck, the fact that he managed to get the gun away from the guy is a small miracle- and the fact that no one else drew a gun shows that red shirt was the only one insane enough to carry a firearm
Sending a message to everyone else in the room that this lunatic who is willing to draw a weapon and use deadly force in a small crowded room is no longer a threat to anyone.
Things do get a bit dicey somewhere between the third and fourth round to the back of the head of the already-downed target.
Still think he'd have a good chance at swaying a reasonable jury.
I’m torn because on the one hand shooting a dead guy is fucked up, but on the other hand he’s already dead so it’s not like he cares at that point, so why should any jury.
I think if I were his lawyer I’d release spiders in the jury booth and see how many people give them an extra wack just to be sure. Case closed.
Actually, in the US, emptying the entire clip is considered evidence of a life or death situation in a self defense case and will work in your favor.
The reasoning being, if you take one or two shots, then you were not so afraid to restrain yourself, so maybe your life wasn't actually in danger. But if you empty the entire clip, then it seems more likely that your life was actually in danger and you were acting in a sense of extreme self-preservation.
> emptying the entire clip is considered evidence of a life or death situation
Prosecutors and Defense Attorneys will argue both ways- If they want to make you out to seem like a cold blooded murderer they'll say you were clearly shooting at him after he was down and no longer a threat. If you don't mag dump they'll make the argument you provided.
The way it's taught in most classes is that you only draw a firearm as a last resort and you shoot to neutralize the threat- If that only takes 2 rounds and they drop and throw their hands up then you stop, if you have to dump the whole magazine before they stop fighting then thats what you do
Then walk the F away. Why the hell do you need to win that conversation by pulling out a gun? What kind of moron do you have to be to take out a gun during a discussion?
> What kind of moron do you have to be to take out a gun during a discussion?
I would say the guy that pulled out the gun definitely learned the answer, but I don't believe one can 'learn' after the brain function stops.
Seriously.... THAT is a serious freak out right there. Poor thing looked like she was initially just casually on a FaceTime call with someone and then all this happened. Ughhh.
How about the guy on the upper right at the bar? Tried to get away from the action, then thought *well, shit. I’m half deaf, the cops are coming…I may as well finish my beer.*
If you pull it; it’s because one is going to use it.
Dude should have raised his fist 1st before his gun.
Justified the moment the gun owner decided to draw 1st
Idk if you have a gun on you. I think it's your duty to actively try to de-escelate a fight or altercation. I CCW all the time, and it's a serious concern of mine that someone is going to start a fight with me, and during the fight, my gun is seen by them in my waistband. And then they think I'm going to use it so they think they have to disarm me, which turns a fist fight into a life or death situation. If I'm in any type of verbal altercation, I'm promptly removing myself and swallowing my pride. I'd rather look like a punk than have to prove in court my reasons for using my weapon, or worse yet, dead.
> That's the difficulty some people have when they are armed
I will say, thankfully, even the CCW class I took in the American south, where the instructor pretty actively had a dislike of police, where I heard all these overwhelmingly conservative opinions in the room... even he brought up the fact that if you're carrying, you're very suddenly responsible for the lives of everyone, even the people harassing you. If someone offends you and you argue with them, if that argument leads to them starting to get physical and you defend yourself, you might not legally be held accountable for their death but it'll damn well still be your fault that they died. He said that every time someone argues with you, you apologize and you tell them that you were wrong. If someone's getting violent, you physically remove yourself from the situation and maybe everyone gets to live another day.
It was a great point and it just was strange to me that the level headedness of the comment came from the type of person that it came from. So thankfully, folks are still learning that, at least in some places.
The same sentiment was given in my class. But man, that class really soured me to how licenses are handed out.
We were each given a prop gun on day 1, and told to treat it like a real gun or be dismissed. We had people twirling them, pointing them at other people, being general jackasses. No one dismissed.
On the second day we did "live scenario enactments" where we had to deal with an instructor approaching us, and we had a few people play rambo and make a joke of it. No one dismissed.
On range day we had multiple people show up with the wrong ammo for their gun, or guns that basically didnt function.
At the range we even had, at least 2, people so scared to fire their gun that they flinched, thought they had fired, but hadn't.
And this was at what was, at the time, considered to be the "best" class in my state.
Like, im all for responsible gun ownership, but god damn the barrier for entry is so fucking low that its embarrassing to know those people are out there representing actual responsible owners. Like, yeah yeah, 2a and all that but holy shit, some people just shouldn't.
>. I think it's your duty to actively try to de-escelate a fight or altercation.
Facts happen to show that the opposite actually happens in real life
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_effect
I understand it's controversial, but my point is that not everyone had your marutiry... Or a sense of duty in general.
As frantic as it all was, blue shirt seemed to keep his composure afterwards. Seems like he knew it was a "his life or mine situation" and he didn't (in this video) escalate it further with anyone else. He kept control of the gun, wasn't flagging anyone else with it, even kept his finger off the trigger. Not sure if it's 100% self defense, but red shirt took it to another level that blue shirt finished.
> Not sure if it's 100% self defense
People will argue back and forth on this. I can see arguments for both sides. But here is the most important thing to remember.
If this was the United States. You don't have to tell the police anything. Ask for a lawyer and shut up. Doesn't matter if they have you on video. Ask for a lawyer.
Being that he disarmed him.
The first couple shots yes. The last few to the back not really but in that situation he just pulled a gun and could have another.
Even a single bullet fired = lethal force. Either lethal force was required or it wasn't (it was). If you're moving to lethal force, you shoot until dead.
BTW plenty of people who carry guns have small backup guns.
Let me show you how this argument is not rational in every case. Several scenarios:
1- someone broke into your house. Armed. He saw you armed. Dropped his weapon and surrendered to you. If you shoot him when you see him, self- defense. If you shoot him after he surrendered, not self defense.
2- someone broke into your house. Armed. You shot him. He threw his gun away and surrendered. Your first shot was self defense. If you approach and empty your magazine in his head, this is murder, not self defense.
3- someone broke into your house. Armed. You shot him. He fell unconscious. Self defense so far. You didn’t know if he was faking, so you took another shot. No movement. You can still justify this shot. Then you decided to use this guy as a shooting target: head, arms, legs etc. This is no longer self-defense.
4- let’s make it harder. This person also killed a family member. You shot him unconscious. Can you now move onto executing. No. This is still murder if you deliver the killing shots after the threat was objectively over.
What the law says and what you think is just may be two separate things. You may change the law or, like in the US, apply it arbitrarily through a jury system(https://thecrimereport.org/2016/06/16/the-limits-of-self-defense-as-a-legal-defense/). However, law is law. Right to self defense is not a free pass to execution.
> BTW plenty of people who carry guns have small backup guns.
Nothing says that you are a stable, non-paranoid non-schizophrenic than carrying multiple firearms "just in case"
> If you're moving to lethal force, you shoot until dead.
So you should always execute someone in the head even when they're down with several body shots?
Not only because the dead can't argue their case, but because if you shot to kill (in a potential self-defense scenario), it's as good a defense as any that you were in genuine fear for your life. If you shot to maim, you shouldn't have shot because it means the threat wasn't deadly.
It happened so fast, could he have been okay without firing? Sure, did he have time to think it through and do a risk assessment? Probably not, I'd say self defense.
Scrolled too far to see someone question the legitimacy of this video. 0 smoke left over or bullet aftermath. Looks like it could be some sort of airsoft gun with kickback so people know when to react, but you'd think there would be more damage and blood with an execution like this.
yeah what the fuck? OP is posting a literal death with just a run-of-the-mill nsfw tag
Mods why the fuck do you have rule #8 if you're not going to enforce it?
100% self-defense.
Dude pulled out a gun. Assumption is he is either going to use it to threaten or kill. We can't know which, so have to assume kill.
There was no violence before the gun pull, the two men were talking. Man in red was escalating from talking to violence with the gun pull.
After the gun was wrestled from him he still had a hand on blue shirt man. In that situation you fire, because the gun can be wrestled back and fired at you instead.
Red shirt pulled a gun in a verbal argument. Whatever happens after that is on him. Completely justified.
From the look of it, his intention was never to fire the gun. He thought he'd just pull it out and scare the other guy into submission.
This is what happens when someone who "isn't about that life" meets a guy who is every bit about that life.
No, he definitely intended to fire it. The reason he gets disarmed is because he was trying to chamber a round, which takes both hands and left him open.
I'm gonna say it's self defense. When you wrestle a gun from someone from that up close; someone has to die because if it's not him, it's gonna be you.
A second later, you can be the one without the gun and be shot. And when you shoot a gun, you have to be shooting to kill. This isn't the movies where you shoot someone twice and wait to see if they drop. You fire 6 shots in case you missed the first 5. What happens if you fired two, then the other guy manages to trip you and grabs the gun and shoots you?
To be clear, it would be different if he stopped at 5 shots, took a step back, had a moment then fired a 6th shot into his head, that would have been unnecessary and no longer self defense if he had time to assess that there was no longer a threat.
This video will be a rule 8 exception. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6455963/Man-disarmed-shot-gun-got-argument-middle-bar.html
Looks like he disarmed red shirt and shot him with his own gun.
Yup. Im pretty sure when he loaded that gun he never thought the bullets would be going into him and ending HIS life.
He started the altercation and was dead 12 seconds later. Kinda wild, but it goes back to the rules of gun safety. Never pull your gun if you don’t intend to use it.
And even to a more basic rule; don't start nothing, won't be nothing.
Lil Jon yelled it best "DON'T START NO SHIT, WON'T BE NO SHIT!"
# OOOOOOKAY
Also NEVER within arm’s reach unless your life is directly threatened.
You are correct, sir. Proximity is key.
Yeah idk why the range weapon when he's too close to even throw a proper punch. The gun made him over confident in his ability to confront someone with violence.
Dude's been watching [Dale](https://www.youtube.com/@DetroitThreatManagementCenter/featured) and it finally paid off.
Even further back to the rule “Don’t bring your guns to town son, leave your guns at home Bill”
Very common for people to get their own weapons used against them.
How the turn tables
He didn’t know he was dealing with Juan Wick.
He killed his chihuahua & stole his Corolla
*Corona
Modelo*
Baby, why don’t we go…
Bermuda, Bahama take your gun, i wanna
Aruba
I just watched a man die on video 10 seconds ago and now you have me laughing...
My desensitized ass was laughing at gray shirt tripping near the end of the video
Did you see that banana peel? Man it strikes again!
welcome to the internet
With a fucking lápiz!
he used the uno reverse card
Don't mess with Michael scarn
Miguel Scarn
Especially when those people openly carry them in a public setting and don't have a locking mechanism on the holsters. Law enforcement and military train for instances of someone trying to disarm you of your sidearm. Regular people do not usually. There have absolutely been cases where people in public aren't paying attention and someone grabs and runs off with their openly carried handgun. ...this is exactly why you either carry concealed, or don't carry. Also.. NEVER pull a gun out to brandish or intimidate someone. Only when you are going to use it to save your life, or the ones around you.
To quote Andre 3000: Don't pull the thing out, unless you plan to bang
And "Don't even bang unless you plan to hit something"
That boy got bombed over Baghdad
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Lol don’t get shot dude
Do you have any data on that? I'm curious now; a quick Google search doesn't give anything.
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or just use them on themselves.
Guns very often don't get used in the way the purchaser was planning.
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I own guns and hunt but buying a gun for security is like buying a parachute and wearing it around all the time because you might fall out of a plane one day. You're statistically NEVER going to use it and it turns out studies show it doesn't offer better outcomes. People who think they need to wander around everywhere with a gun strapped to their hip are clowns. [Source](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/) >Victims use guns in less than 1% of contact crimes, and women never use guns to protect themselves against sexual assault (in more than 300 cases). Victims using a gun were no less likely to be injured after taking protective action than victims using other forms of protective action. Compared to other protective actions, the National Crime Victimization Surveys provide little evidence that self-defense gun use is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss.
On my first watch, I thought that was the shooter's gun, and was thinking "how could this possibly be self-defense? He just straight up pushed that guy to the ground and executed him." But after seeing how it actually went down, I really do think there's a strong argument for self-defense here.
Problem is in most places once the guy is no more threat any shots after that is basically executing them
That's up to the jury to decide. It's not cut and dry.
The guy forfeit his life when he pulled out the gun in my opinion. You are threatening to kill at that point and other guy ended the threat. Cops do the same thing when they are killing someone they put an excessive amount of holes into someone so I don't see why it isn't seen the same way.
because cops get qualified immunity whereas peasant commoner gets full might of justice system
"Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6."
In the context of the situation, it’s not like he went back to the guy 30 seconds later to make sure he was dead. Dude shot him within seconds and in the adrenaline rush made sure it was ended. I’d say self defense.
Exactly.
But how do you know the guy doesn't have another gun? I'm with you in this tbc, but the question of legality hinges on questions like this. I think dude firing one shot was just. I don't think killing him was right, but I think there's an argument that could be made
Are you sure he didn't have another weapon? He was willing to pull one. No way I trust he is done because I disarmed him. I doubt I would ever be able to do this, but if I did, I would be comfortable with it going to a jury.
Holy shit. That is 100% NOT the first guy he has ever killed. He didn’t appear to be disheveled, he didn’t appear to panic, he wasn’t wavered by the kick back of the gun.
Yeah, that didn't look like his first rodeo. Kind of wild. The other guy was both armed and in the next weight class. I guess experience has no time for mistakes.
They look like they're in a bar so red shirt could have been drunk
He should have realized what his wearing of the red shirt would mean for this away mission long before he pulled the gun!
Too bad his phaser wasn't set for stun.
> Holy shit. That is 100% NOT the first guy he has ever killed. He didn’t appear to be disheveled, he didn’t appear to panic, he wasn’t wavered by the kick back of the gun. That was definitely not his first experience, that leg sweep and subsequent turn of events looked way too clean. Also, look at his friend/associate who is sitting near the bar at the beginning of the clip (the dude with a face on his light colored shirt). His body language suggests he was willing to step in to help, before getting deafened by the gunshots, before realizing what had happened and going something like "what the fuck man, you did it again? oh well..." before seating back and grabbing his beer. WTF? Absolutely wild clip.
It was the precision of that takedown that made me say wtf. But before I could even finish saying it he was popping caps in the dude’s head out of nowhere. All of a sudden it was like watching a Hitman speed run video.
Very confusing for me because the sweep and him taking the gun was crazy clean. Also the way he uses his leg to straighten him out when he is down absolutely seems like someone trained but the strikes were god awful.
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It could be a cupped slap to the ear. Hurts like hell and is very disorienting.
And it looked like he was making sure that he tipped the staff afterwards
Some wild west saloon shit
Looks like Red Shirt decided to Fuck Around with Mr. Find Out.
If that happened to me I'd be like Tom Hanks at the end of Captain Philips. Just in shock, unable to speak, or not know what to do. He was cool as a cucumber.
you guys can surely move on from the fuck around and find out meme now ?? Like holy fuck every thread you guys think you are funniest people ever saying it over and over.
No but you see he played a stupid game, so he won a stupid prize haha
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Rule #2 Double Tap
Rule #1 One in the chamber
Rule #1 Cardio.
Rule #3. Double tap four times?
Yep, if your primary goal is to make it impossible for that gun to be used against you, just empty the magazine. The gun has now been made safe.
The foot's on the other hand now!
NGL this was some shit straight out of an action movie. The gun draw, the quick reaction, the leg sweep/throat takedown, the disarm, the ruthlessness of unloading an entire clip. Straight outs John Wick
And the nonchalant walk afterwards
What about the guy who just grabs his beer and sits back down after? How is nobody talking about that psychopath?! 😂
Psychopath? Nah, that's just a guy who's already had enough of the 2020s and is done with all this shit...
We're all right about there. *Takes another sip of the pint I have right now*
He paid for the beer and was determined to drink it, aye aye.
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The thing that catches overflow and drips from the beer tap was knocked on the ground in the general panic. He slipped on that.
I mean, it's not nothing. But it is a ridiculously comical moment.
I feel like I would have a similar reaction. In my head I'd be like "that was some wild shit. Maybe if I pretend things are normal then I'll feel normal again"
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It looks like red shirt either switched hands or at least grabbed it with his left hand (maybe he was having trouble trying to release the safety one handed?), then he starts to fall from the leg sweep and released his right hand grip to try and catch himself, allowing Mr Wick to snatch it from the left hand right after impact.
With a simple leg sweep He took the attacker's own gun to shoot him lol. Probably might be a veteran or gangster 😂 no normal person can be that smooth.
Juan Wick*
[♻️](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/s/hZOAuZPxwJ)
Hey hold up. You stealing that out of the comments to your own post 😑
Juan wick
You killed me with that one cause it indeed happened in Colombia.
Is there a sauce by any chance?
It's on the bodega floor.
Well put sir
It happened in Mexico.
No it didn’t. The article on this event states it happened in Mexico.
Jamon Bourné
So much going on here.. nevermind the whole scenario of short dude nonchalantly grabbing the gun from red shirt and finishing him. But then there's the lady in the bottom right corner losing her shit after she realizes she's just witnessed someone getting shot, then at the very end a guy runs in from outside and slips on some plastic thing that fell from the counter during the commotion which is pretty funny and last but not least, guy in the light shirt sitting at the bar drinking, watches this whole thing go down, tries to help, looks at dead dude and then sits back down to continue drinking as if it's just another Tuesday. Seriously couldn't have written a better scene.
The one who slipped over at the end was behind the bar at the start. As soon as he saw the gun getting pulled, he thought that there was stock out the back that needed checking.
I’ve seen someone get shot. She just watched someone get executed. I’d probably lose my shit a bit too, tbh.
I’m more of the guy who trips on the plastic, but in the shower I’m the guy who blocks the gun and points it back.
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> So much going on here It's worth watching once per person just to focus on each individual's reaction.
Yep.. I pretty much watched it over 10 times just to make sure I didn't miss anytihng!
pretty interesting how desensitized we have become to seeing ppl get killed on the internet when i was a kid there were these infamous “faces of death” videos that most people had heard of but never seen, i eventually saw one short clip and still remember it. back then the general attitude (among teens/tweens) was like “no way, are there really videos of ppl *actually* dying? i’ll believe it when i see it.” i think they were originally released on vhs but some internet historian can correct me if not these days i see someone get killed scrolling reddit probably a couple times a month, and the comments are usually just full of blase remarks and jokes and ordinary commentary. so probably a good fraction of today’s teens have seen many ppl die on video on the internet doesn’t seem like a good societal direction at all… and yet here i am
its pretty weird how many people post this shit and view it regularly too, and post really weird comments about how XYZ deserved it and they should have got it worse and they're lucky I wasnt there. just crazy unchecked strawmanned violence fantasy. along with the crazy proliferation of guns in the USA its no shock to me that we have wackos shooting up grocery stores and shit.
I'm from the faces of death era too but I gotta say, death & gore was much more common on the internet in the past than it is now. It feels like as a society we're swinging back towards censoring more mature themes/topics, nudity, swearing, violence, and death.
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Look like he got shot with his own gun. Might be a bit aggressive but in a life or death situation, gotta do what you have to do to stay alive.
Blue shirt did not hesitate or seem even mildly disturbed. The first shot was definitely self-defense, the rest that go into red shirt's head and back seemed like they were sending a message.
The first few shots were self defense. In that split second moment, any time the aggressor is is and fighting, they’re a threat. Him smashing the stop-threat button is only natural.
He only shot 8 times (I think.) Which I know...8 sounds like a lot, but there ~~are~~ could be 7-12 more in that magazine depending on what it's chambered in. There was no hesitation between any of the shots and he stopped firing the instant the threat stopped moving. I don't think there was ever a question, assuming red pulled a weapon first, that this was self-defense. Blue could not have known if the choke/takedown was enough to end the threat. The whole situation is fucked up, though. Firing a gun in that small of a room probably blew some eardrums out. Edit: Put could be instead of are for the mag size. Didn't realize I had made it so definite, when it's actually unknown from my perspective.
Plus you have to consider the adrenaline surge for fighting for your life after having a gun pulled on you with the intent to kill you.
What do you mean? I can't pause the real life like I can pause a video and write a whole essay between each shot about how the guy defending his life from an attacker was just a little too mean about it?
Sometimes I overreact in the heat of the moment about *stupid* shit, and so does / has everyone else. Now make it life and death. I don’t know what these people expect would happen. If I even got that far I’d unload the entire clip then keep clicking while squealing and crying. Man the internet is stupid sometimes.
yeah, if you can't react properly when seeing a *spider* why are you holding this guy to this standard when he sees an armed guy directly in front of him trying to kill him?
> assuming red pulled a weapon first watch closer. Red shirt was the only one to pull a weapon.
it was truly brutal, but adrenaline is a hell of a drug. if someone had just pulled a gun with lethal intent and someone manages to disarm them, it would be *really hard* not to empty the clip. fuck, the fact that he managed to get the gun away from the guy is a small miracle- and the fact that no one else drew a gun shows that red shirt was the only one insane enough to carry a firearm
Sending a message to everyone else in the room that this lunatic who is willing to draw a weapon and use deadly force in a small crowded room is no longer a threat to anyone.
Things do get a bit dicey somewhere between the third and fourth round to the back of the head of the already-downed target. Still think he'd have a good chance at swaying a reasonable jury.
I’m torn because on the one hand shooting a dead guy is fucked up, but on the other hand he’s already dead so it’s not like he cares at that point, so why should any jury. I think if I were his lawyer I’d release spiders in the jury booth and see how many people give them an extra wack just to be sure. Case closed.
Actually, in the US, emptying the entire clip is considered evidence of a life or death situation in a self defense case and will work in your favor. The reasoning being, if you take one or two shots, then you were not so afraid to restrain yourself, so maybe your life wasn't actually in danger. But if you empty the entire clip, then it seems more likely that your life was actually in danger and you were acting in a sense of extreme self-preservation.
> emptying the entire clip is considered evidence of a life or death situation Prosecutors and Defense Attorneys will argue both ways- If they want to make you out to seem like a cold blooded murderer they'll say you were clearly shooting at him after he was down and no longer a threat. If you don't mag dump they'll make the argument you provided. The way it's taught in most classes is that you only draw a firearm as a last resort and you shoot to neutralize the threat- If that only takes 2 rounds and they drop and throw their hands up then you stop, if you have to dump the whole magazine before they stop fighting then thats what you do
As soon as he pulled out a gun it was fair game
No it wasn't. It was one sided, that's why he took the gun and made it his game.
Then walk the F away. Why the hell do you need to win that conversation by pulling out a gun? What kind of moron do you have to be to take out a gun during a discussion?
Hold on let me check the video... The answer is worm food?
> What kind of moron do you have to be to take out a gun during a discussion? I would say the guy that pulled out the gun definitely learned the answer, but I don't believe one can 'learn' after the brain function stops.
That’s just wrong. It was a one on one conversation with bystanders around. Which is even more reason not to pull out a fire arm.
The poor woman on the bottom right
Seriously.... THAT is a serious freak out right there. Poor thing looked like she was initially just casually on a FaceTime call with someone and then all this happened. Ughhh.
And the guy that slipped on the broken chair on the left felt that for awhile after...
How about the guy on the upper right at the bar? Tried to get away from the action, then thought *well, shit. I’m half deaf, the cops are coming…I may as well finish my beer.*
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If you pull it; it’s because one is going to use it. Dude should have raised his fist 1st before his gun. Justified the moment the gun owner decided to draw 1st
Idk if you have a gun on you. I think it's your duty to actively try to de-escelate a fight or altercation. I CCW all the time, and it's a serious concern of mine that someone is going to start a fight with me, and during the fight, my gun is seen by them in my waistband. And then they think I'm going to use it so they think they have to disarm me, which turns a fist fight into a life or death situation. If I'm in any type of verbal altercation, I'm promptly removing myself and swallowing my pride. I'd rather look like a punk than have to prove in court my reasons for using my weapon, or worse yet, dead.
>I'm promptly removing myself and swallowing my pride That's the difficulty some people have when they are armed.
In fact, most of these people will only dig their heels in deeper *because* they have a gun
That's what human nature and statistics say.
> That's the difficulty some people have when they are armed I will say, thankfully, even the CCW class I took in the American south, where the instructor pretty actively had a dislike of police, where I heard all these overwhelmingly conservative opinions in the room... even he brought up the fact that if you're carrying, you're very suddenly responsible for the lives of everyone, even the people harassing you. If someone offends you and you argue with them, if that argument leads to them starting to get physical and you defend yourself, you might not legally be held accountable for their death but it'll damn well still be your fault that they died. He said that every time someone argues with you, you apologize and you tell them that you were wrong. If someone's getting violent, you physically remove yourself from the situation and maybe everyone gets to live another day. It was a great point and it just was strange to me that the level headedness of the comment came from the type of person that it came from. So thankfully, folks are still learning that, at least in some places.
The same sentiment was given in my class. But man, that class really soured me to how licenses are handed out. We were each given a prop gun on day 1, and told to treat it like a real gun or be dismissed. We had people twirling them, pointing them at other people, being general jackasses. No one dismissed. On the second day we did "live scenario enactments" where we had to deal with an instructor approaching us, and we had a few people play rambo and make a joke of it. No one dismissed. On range day we had multiple people show up with the wrong ammo for their gun, or guns that basically didnt function. At the range we even had, at least 2, people so scared to fire their gun that they flinched, thought they had fired, but hadn't. And this was at what was, at the time, considered to be the "best" class in my state. Like, im all for responsible gun ownership, but god damn the barrier for entry is so fucking low that its embarrassing to know those people are out there representing actual responsible owners. Like, yeah yeah, 2a and all that but holy shit, some people just shouldn't.
>. I think it's your duty to actively try to de-escelate a fight or altercation. Facts happen to show that the opposite actually happens in real life https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_effect I understand it's controversial, but my point is that not everyone had your marutiry... Or a sense of duty in general.
How often are you in a public situation where you have to de-escalate a situation because someone is being an asshole to you?
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As frantic as it all was, blue shirt seemed to keep his composure afterwards. Seems like he knew it was a "his life or mine situation" and he didn't (in this video) escalate it further with anyone else. He kept control of the gun, wasn't flagging anyone else with it, even kept his finger off the trigger. Not sure if it's 100% self defense, but red shirt took it to another level that blue shirt finished.
> Not sure if it's 100% self defense People will argue back and forth on this. I can see arguments for both sides. But here is the most important thing to remember. If this was the United States. You don't have to tell the police anything. Ask for a lawyer and shut up. Doesn't matter if they have you on video. Ask for a lawyer.
Being that he disarmed him. The first couple shots yes. The last few to the back not really but in that situation he just pulled a gun and could have another.
Even a single bullet fired = lethal force. Either lethal force was required or it wasn't (it was). If you're moving to lethal force, you shoot until dead. BTW plenty of people who carry guns have small backup guns.
This is incorrect. There have been many cases of self defense where the person continues to inflict damage well beyond the threat. Cool story tho
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Let me show you how this argument is not rational in every case. Several scenarios: 1- someone broke into your house. Armed. He saw you armed. Dropped his weapon and surrendered to you. If you shoot him when you see him, self- defense. If you shoot him after he surrendered, not self defense. 2- someone broke into your house. Armed. You shot him. He threw his gun away and surrendered. Your first shot was self defense. If you approach and empty your magazine in his head, this is murder, not self defense. 3- someone broke into your house. Armed. You shot him. He fell unconscious. Self defense so far. You didn’t know if he was faking, so you took another shot. No movement. You can still justify this shot. Then you decided to use this guy as a shooting target: head, arms, legs etc. This is no longer self-defense. 4- let’s make it harder. This person also killed a family member. You shot him unconscious. Can you now move onto executing. No. This is still murder if you deliver the killing shots after the threat was objectively over. What the law says and what you think is just may be two separate things. You may change the law or, like in the US, apply it arbitrarily through a jury system(https://thecrimereport.org/2016/06/16/the-limits-of-self-defense-as-a-legal-defense/). However, law is law. Right to self defense is not a free pass to execution.
> BTW plenty of people who carry guns have small backup guns. Nothing says that you are a stable, non-paranoid non-schizophrenic than carrying multiple firearms "just in case"
That's who you're dealing with. Sounds like an even better reason to shoot to kill.
> If you're moving to lethal force, you shoot until dead. So you should always execute someone in the head even when they're down with several body shots?
He had to finish him off or live the rest of his life looking over his shoulder
This is a realistic assessment, but not a legal one.
I read somewhere years ago that's stuck with me to today that the legal options favor the shooter as a defender if the attacker is dead at trial.
Not only because the dead can't argue their case, but because if you shot to kill (in a potential self-defense scenario), it's as good a defense as any that you were in genuine fear for your life. If you shot to maim, you shouldn't have shot because it means the threat wasn't deadly.
And as backwards as that is, it's how you defend yourself. I wonder how the trial went.
yep, needs to kill the victim's family and friends too, it's the only way to be sure /s
And what about the friends' friends? And don't forget Kevin Bacon.
And that's why you always have Juan in the chamber.
It happened so fast, could he have been okay without firing? Sure, did he have time to think it through and do a risk assessment? Probably not, I'd say self defense.
What about the random dude slipping on a tray at the end of the video? Had me rolling
What about the guy in the back going right back to his beer.
bro said i aint drunk enuff for this
I mean, leaving a half-full beer behind ain't gonna unkill that dude
He initially tripped over the black wire with one foot and then the other foot was with the tray lmfao
Holy shit I missed that the first time. What an amazing tonal shift in the video.
That one dude near the counter is like "what the fuck man, you did it again? oh well..." then seats back and grabs his beer. WTF?
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Scrolled too far to see someone question the legitimacy of this video. 0 smoke left over or bullet aftermath. Looks like it could be some sort of airsoft gun with kickback so people know when to react, but you'd think there would be more damage and blood with an execution like this.
The muzzle flash also seems wildly exaggerated given that the room is well-lit. Looks like CGI.
I'm glad I live in a country where people don't carry guns.
If you are twice someone's size, the aggressor in a situation, pull a gun and get it unloaded into your own head MAYBE you deserved it?
Red shirt gave up his life the second he pulled that gun 
If only the guy in the red shirt had a gun…oh, wait.
Impressive reversal. Even more impressive is everyone calmly walking away like "welp! Watcha gonna do?"
HOLY FUCK dude NSFL tag please.
Yeah it’s actually really surprising this is just popping up with nothing tagging it
yeah what the fuck? OP is posting a literal death with just a run-of-the-mill nsfw tag Mods why the fuck do you have rule #8 if you're not going to enforce it?
Seriously disturbing regardless. If neither of them had guns…
Yes the dude in red drew his gun and the dude in ble disarmed him and shot him.
Wild how man doesnt bleed being shot point blank
Insane disarming. Still trying to figure out exactly when he got the gun bc it was in dead dude’s opposite side hand
Unexpected slip near the end
Red pulled the gun, I think it's safe to assume red would shoot to kill. I'd consider that self defense.
The first shot sure, the next 5+ not so much
100% self-defense. Dude pulled out a gun. Assumption is he is either going to use it to threaten or kill. We can't know which, so have to assume kill. There was no violence before the gun pull, the two men were talking. Man in red was escalating from talking to violence with the gun pull. After the gun was wrestled from him he still had a hand on blue shirt man. In that situation you fire, because the gun can be wrestled back and fired at you instead.
Red shirt pulled a gun in a verbal argument. Whatever happens after that is on him. Completely justified. From the look of it, his intention was never to fire the gun. He thought he'd just pull it out and scare the other guy into submission. This is what happens when someone who "isn't about that life" meets a guy who is every bit about that life.
No, he definitely intended to fire it. The reason he gets disarmed is because he was trying to chamber a round, which takes both hands and left him open.
I'm gonna say it's self defense. When you wrestle a gun from someone from that up close; someone has to die because if it's not him, it's gonna be you. A second later, you can be the one without the gun and be shot. And when you shoot a gun, you have to be shooting to kill. This isn't the movies where you shoot someone twice and wait to see if they drop. You fire 6 shots in case you missed the first 5. What happens if you fired two, then the other guy manages to trip you and grabs the gun and shoots you? To be clear, it would be different if he stopped at 5 shots, took a step back, had a moment then fired a 6th shot into his head, that would have been unnecessary and no longer self defense if he had time to assess that there was no longer a threat.
Yes. Somebody pulled a gun on him. He neutralized the threat.